Time Nick Message 22:42 eythian Pleasantly cool 22:42 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 18.4°C (12:29 AM CEST on August 27, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 22:42 eythian @wunder ams 20:29 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (10:20 PM CEST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 20:29 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 18:34 montes great.. 18:34 kidclamp http://manual.koha-community.org/3.22/en/administration.html#emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced 18:33 kidclamp should give you pending messages of this type 18:33 kidclamp SELECT * FROM message_queue WHERE lettercode='HOLDPLACED' and status != 'SENT' 18:33 kidclamp you can view it in the reports module 18:33 montes does the server admin only have access 18:32 kidclamp it's a database table 18:31 montes i have looked everywhere 18:31 montes kid- in which section can I find the message queue 18:26 kidclamp your server administrator will need to adjust that 18:26 kidclamp the emails should be entered into the message_queue - the timing of them being sent relies on the frequency of the process_message_queue.pl cronjob 18:26 montes let me see 18:25 kidclamp montes - I believe the message is sent to the library's address in the library information page of administration 18:25 montes somehow I feel I don't have the permissions.. but if you can point me in the direction of where I can fiddle with this...I can find out if I lack permission and then try to find out how I can get permission. 18:23 montes and then figure out how I can retrieve hold alerts during the day. 18:22 montes I need to find out where I can populate the staff who whould receive the alert (email) 18:21 montes the alerts would go to designated staff 18:21 montes I am trying to see if it is possible to create alerts for holds withing the day.. where it doesn't take 24 hours to receive notification 18:20 kidclamp ask away 18:20 kidclamp welcome montes 18:19 montes i am trying to work on a project and need assistance 18:19 montes hello i am a newbie in every sense 17:33 cait :) 17:26 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 34.5°C (7:21 PM CEST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 17:26 drojf @wunder txl 16:40 drojf i guess the weather station has melted 16:37 drojf hm 16:36 huginn drojf: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 16:36 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in kimberly ohio, Nelsonville, Ohio is 31.2°C (12:29 PM EDT on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 16:36 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 16:36 oleonard @wunder 45764 16:36 huginn oleonard: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 16:36 oleonard @wunder 45701 16:36 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 36.0°C (6:31 PM CEST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 16:36 drojf @wunder txl 16:36 drojf huh 16:36 huginn drojf: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 16:36 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 16:30 oleonard Oh never mind I was on an unrebased branch 16:29 oleonard Anyone else get an error when trying to view the contents of a list in the staff client? 15:26 cait drojf++ 15:22 Joubu good week-end #koha 15:22 LibraryClaire laters #koha 15:15 tcohen bye! 15:15 morgane bye #koha 15:14 oleonard Neat 15:12 tcohen try tig, is awesome ;) 15:12 tcohen haha 15:10 * oleonard thought maybe tcohen set up his computer so that he has to type everything backwards 15:10 tcohen that's my favourie tool for git repo browsing 15:10 tcohen he, nah 15:09 drojf tcohen: that's a short password 15:08 tcohen oops 15:08 tcohen tig 15:02 Joubu drojf: that makes sense 14:43 drojf yes you are right 14:42 drojf :) 14:42 drojf eythian: that is kind of what i am doing 14:42 eythian otherwise no one will change anything. 14:42 eythian drojf: come up with a solution, write it up in an email, and say "unless there are objections, we should do it this way", then everyone will be all "oh, that makes sense." 14:34 drojf anyway, if people got thoughts about it … :) 14:33 drojf sorry 14:33 drojf if i would have known i'd write that much i would have made it an email. lol 14:33 drojf can we find a consistent way of labelling releases/ fixes "security"? all new releases contain xss patches, 3.20 and 3.22 are labelled security release in the emails, 16.05 is not. 16.05 lists the fixes under the headline "Critical bugs/ Koha", 3.22 as "Security bugs fixed" on top of the list, 3.20 as "Critical bugs/ Koha" like 16.05. 3.22 features "security" in the release notes headline (and so in the URL in wordpress), the others don't 14:19 Joubu me! :d 14:17 oleonard I mean, who /doesn't/ have strong feelings about dates in vendor contracts, amirite? 14:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16754 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use validation plugin in budgets, planning, and contracts 14:07 oleonard Maybe cait has strong feelings about dates in vendor contracts? Bug 16754 13:23 * LibraryClaire doesn't feel woken up 13:23 wahanui hi olé onard 13:23 LibraryClaire hi oleonard 13:23 oleonard hi wah! anui 13:22 wahanui hi olé onard 13:22 nengard hi oleonard 13:21 oleonard Hi tcohen and other waking-up people 13:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16699: (QA followup) Move minified swagger file into the swagger/ dir <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53631f9ffdc86c1afbcc3108ac3ddf1f73fef40e> / Bug 16699: Remove requirement from borrowernumberQueryParam <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eeab7d0666677e3bb7ec4e56bcb5a7164aeab48e> / Bug 16699: Move Swagger-related files to api/v1/swagger <http://git.koha-co 13:11 tcohen bonjour (bis) 12:35 cait i could still do it with sql...but it's tedious 12:35 cait i agree 12:34 oleonard Allowing a blank entry is certainly easier than updating all the templates to make sure they provide a blank option, but somehow feels less clean to me. 12:31 cait oleonard: if you leave a ocmment, i'll retest 12:25 cait oleonard: another example might be a pull down list linked to a marc field 12:24 cait it's handy because easy to update and import - easier than the extended attributes 12:24 cait we have libraries using it to indicate the faculty, or a class 12:24 cait it provides you with a pull down in statistic 1 and statistics 2 if you want that 12:24 LibraryClaire hi tcohen :) 12:23 wahanui niihau, tcohen 12:23 tcohen bonjour 12:20 * oleonard doesn't really understand how it's used in real life 12:20 oleonard I'd have to test that. I don't have any values for bsort1 in my test system. 12:19 cait hm same for bsort? 12:18 cait would need a bit more testing 12:17 cait maybe it's a version problem 12:17 cait hm 12:17 oleonard Also, Hi! 12:17 cait oleonard: probably - but it's not the only spot 12:17 oleonard Although I find the example you gave doesn't appear valid because the patron entry form automatically provides an empty choice. 12:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11019 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Require some fields when adding authorized value category 12:16 oleonard cait: Regarding Bug 11019, I wonder if it's actually a bug that you find it necessary to add an empty authorized value 12:09 marcelr bye #koha, no qa anymore this week 12:05 LibraryClaire in desperate need of a nap 12:04 cait LibraryClaire: nap sounds good.... 11:54 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City Airport, London, United Kingdom is 25.9°C (12:48 PM BST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 11:54 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 10:46 kidclamp you can take it :-) 10:45 Joubu otherwise I take it 10:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17201 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remaining calls to C4::Context->marcfromkohafield 10:45 Joubu kidclamp: Are you working on bug 17201? 10:11 drojf meh 10:11 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 28.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 10:11 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 10:10 LibraryClaire feels like a nap in the shade sort of day 10:10 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City Airport, London, United Kingdom is 24.4°C (11:03 AM BST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 10:10 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 10:09 eythian I think it'll be a lunch on the roof sort of day 10:09 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 23.8°C (12:02 PM CEST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 10:09 eythian @wunder ams 09:48 drojf guess 09:47 drojf going from 0.3 to 1.0 after two years of no visible action, i gues they are just abandoning it finally 09:47 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:47 Joubu @later tell tcohen it seems there is something wrong on master_D8: "Makefile:21750: recipe for target 'pm_to_blib' failed" 09:47 drojf does not look like they added features, looks more like security 09:46 LibraryClaire lol 09:46 eythian nono, that was his IRC nick sometimes 09:45 drojf that you came up with on the spot while typing? 09:45 drojf lol 09:45 eythian (* it's an anagram of his name.) 09:44 drojf and then they gave it away to be gnusocial, switched to pump but that was pretty basic 09:44 eythian I also haven't seen MauvePornoRod (who was the author of it all) around IRC in the past few years. 09:44 eythian my memories are hazy 09:44 eythian I think identi.ca software became statusnet, or something 09:43 eythian ah that's right 09:43 drojf statusnet is what i mean 09:42 eythian that was the software and the (most commonly used) service 09:42 eythian it was identi.ca 09:42 drojf or was it something else. i get confused 09:42 eythian yeah 09:42 drojf what was it called? before it was gnusocial? was the software identica too? 09:41 eythian which is a pity, the original identi.ca was relatively featureful when compared to things like twitter 09:41 drojf or just the number ^^ 09:41 drojf not sure if there is more now 09:41 drojf it did not look bad really. but it could not do a lot of things. 09:40 drojf great timing 09:40 drojf 1.0.0 - 2016-08-26 [unreleased] 09:40 eythian heh 09:40 drojf maybe there is actually something happening 09:40 eythian sounds like it's exactly what you want then 09:40 drojf wow 09:40 drojf CHANGELOG.md Finalize 1.0.0 changelog a day ago 09:39 drojf it was what i had in mind when i said that :P 09:39 drojf true 09:39 eythian I don't see how this doesn't fit your requirements 09:39 eythian <drojf> i bet there is some free software decentralized selfhosted network that lacks standard functionality and has a two digit number of users that i would like 09:39 drojf ok. but the software is not evolving, and it lacks basic functionality 09:38 eythian I'm sure I've seen people using it 09:38 drojf i have actually set up instances of gnusocial and pump to try 09:38 drojf unless something magical happened in the last year 09:38 drojf pump was never really alive 09:38 drojf yes 09:38 eythian no 09:37 drojf isn't that dead? 09:37 eythian drojf: indenti.ca 09:37 drojf i bet there is some free software decentralized selfhosted network that lacks standard functionality and has a two digit number of users that i would like 09:36 chrisse now all kinds of acquaintances are promoting my skills. I guess the system forces them to do that 09:36 drojf not going there :) 09:34 chrisse linkeidn is even worse. can't even remember why I took that route 09:34 drojf and not following any of the shit accounts they promoted 09:33 drojf they probably banned me for turning off a lot of bad settings 09:33 drojf i wonder what automated stuff i did. by not following anyone or tweeting anything 09:31 drojf after my user experience so far, it's "not" 09:31 drojf don't know yet. see if i want to use one for koha and tech stuff or not 09:31 drojf this 09:27 eythian testing bots 09:24 cait what wa the twitter account for? 09:24 cait lol 09:21 drojf created twitter account, got blocked for being a bot after 10 minutes. awesome network 08:39 huginn cait: The current temperature in Luisenstraße, Konstanz, Germany is 20.4°C (10:37 AM CEST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 08:39 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:39 huginn cait: I suck 08:39 cait @Konstanz 08:38 marcelr sorry 08:38 huginn marcelr: Error: No such location could be found. 08:38 marcelr @wunder home 08:38 huginn marcelr: Error: No such location could be found. 08:38 marcelr @wunder me 08:38 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found. 08:38 eythian @wunder berlin, de 08:38 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 21.0°C (9:20 AM BST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 08:38 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 08:37 marcelr sure just @wunder should be enough; he knows you 08:37 drojf i would like to have the temperature i get with "berlin, germany" without typing all that 08:37 huginn marcelr: The current temperature in Roggeslootweg, De Cocksdorp, Netherlands is 19.8°C (10:31 AM CEST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 08:37 marcelr @wunder Texel 08:37 drojf :D 08:36 marcelr drojf: to Texel again? 08:36 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is 25.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 08:36 drojf @wunder sxf 08:36 huginn drojf: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found 08:36 drojf @wunder sfx 08:36 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 26.1°C (10:36 AM CEST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 08:36 drojf @wunder txl 08:36 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 08:36 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:35 LibraryClaire :P 08:34 eythian (because it rhymes) 08:34 eythian hi there LibraryClaire 08:34 LibraryClaire hi eythian 08:34 eythian that more nicer 08:33 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 23.6°C (10:32 AM CEST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 08:33 eythian @wunder ams 08:12 marcelr i would have liked to go faster :) 08:11 Joubu marcelr: the second one is the funny one 08:11 LibraryClaire hi marcelr :) 08:11 drojf hi marcelr 08:11 marcelr Joubu: still in the first patch.. 08:10 marcelr hi cait LibraryClaire drojf and sophie_m 08:01 cait :) 07:59 LibraryClaire hi cait :) 07:59 * cait waves 07:52 sophie_m hi LibraryClaire :) 07:52 LibraryClaire hi sophie_m 07:48 sophie_m1 hello #koha 07:46 drojf guten morgen LibraryClaire :) 07:44 LibraryClaire hi drojf :) 07:43 drojf morning #koha 07:43 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 20.0°C (8:20 AM BST on August 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 07:43 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 07:42 LibraryClaire morning #koha 07:41 cait morning #koha 07:07 morgane hi #koha 07:00 liw dcook, :) 06:50 marcelr hi #koha 04:51 dcook liw: Read http://liw.fi/swimming-upstream/ last night. Very informative! 01:23 JStall Either way, I appreciate it! 01:18 dcook I just deal with software 01:18 dcook I let our server people take care of all the hardware 01:18 dcook If you can afford a large instance, that's probably not a bad way to go 01:17 dcook Oh, I don't know if I have more experience :p 01:14 JStall Or, I could do a local install to get a good sense of our numbers and then move to remote servers better informed. 01:11 JStall Fair enough! I'm learning all of this as I go, so it is good to hear from someone who has more experience. 01:10 JStall Okay. So my best option would be to go with a large AWS instance @ 8GB, then reduce if necessary. 01:10 dcook Well, sysadmin is easy enough. I don't spec our servers though :p 01:09 dcook I should add that I'm not much of a sysadmin :p 01:09 dcook Obviously a bit tougher with 6 people rather than 1 but... 01:09 dcook I think my desktop at home has 2 CPUs and 4GB of RAM, and it seemed to handle me using a single Koha on it just fine 01:08 dcook Trying to think of what I have on my desktop at home.. 01:08 dcook Yeah, although you probably want something bigger than a t2.micro in any case 01:08 JStall Ha! Very good. 01:07 JStall Okay. One option I've seen is reducing the innodb buffer pool size to something tiny, like 16M. That would slow the process down considerably, but might reduce the crashing? 01:07 dcook Yours appers to be 128MB while ours is about 10GB 01:07 dcook Looks like our MySQL is configured to have a very large buffer pool as well 01:06 dcook Since we're a vendor supporting multiple databases 01:06 dcook Not sure how the numbers would track for a small install though 01:05 dcook But MySQL does seem to have quite a bit 01:05 dcook For regular middday activity, Apache and Zebra don't seem to be consuming much memory (at least relatively) 01:04 dcook Just took a casual look at our servers 01:03 JStall Okay. I'm glad to know I'm reading this correctly. Haha that's about right. 01:01 dcook And that's with a single user 01:01 dcook My mobile phone has 1GB of RAM, and it's sluggish :p 01:01 dcook And maybe look at what else is using up the memory at the same time. Like I said before, 1GB isnt' much 01:00 dcook It might be worth looking into how much memory MySQl needs specifically I suppose 01:00 dcook Yeah, it looks like there's not enough memory 00:59 pastebot "JStall" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "MySQLlog2" (255 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/94 00:57 JStall We are not opposed to a local server, but wanted to explore all options. I'm not in IT, so any local hiccup would be a major issue. 00:55 dcook fwiw, we tend to use servers in the upper-middle M4 range by AWS standards, but that's for more than a single Koha... and that's not including the database server which we have separate 00:53 dcook I was hoping to see an error messag before it crashed 00:53 JStall Let me pull a more recent log. 00:52 dcook Ah, nothing before that? 00:52 dcook Based on this: https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/ it sounds like the t2 machines are meant more for temporary work or really low traffic web apps 00:51 pastebot "JStall" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "MySQLerror" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/92 00:51 dcook Or at least the 20 or so fetched each time are stored in the database 00:51 dcook Yeah, all the Z39.50 records found are stored in the database, so I suppose that could be a bit heavy 00:50 dcook http://paste.koha-community.org/ 00:50 JStall They were. And authority records, as well. 00:50 JStall Sure! Should I paste it here, or... 00:50 dcook Heavier if they're using Z39.50 I guess 00:50 dcook Yeah, I wouldn't think that would be too bad 00:49 JStall Had to relaunch the instance. To be fair, I had six people cataloging at one time, which is probably a heavy strain on the database, but I would have thought it could handle it. 00:49 dcook Hmm any MySQL logs to explain what happened exactly? 00:48 JStall Full mysql crash. DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::catch {...} (): DBI Connection failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' etc... 00:47 dcook Difficulty loading the web page or with records showing up? 00:47 dcook JStall: When you say threw a wrench in the plan, what happened? 00:46 dcook I'm not sure how memory hungry Zebra is 00:46 dcook There's lots of components with Koha. You have Apache, MySQL, Perl, Zebra... 00:46 dcook By any standard I think. 00:45 dcook Let's see. The micro is 1GB, which is pretty small. 00:45 JStall Ok. Haha, that is precisely my question. We attempted to begin cataloging this week, but (I believe) the limited memory of the old t1.micro instance threw a wrench into the plan. 00:45 dcook We tend to run on beefy servers, so I don't know how little Koha needs 00:43 dcook This sort of falls into a question which never seems to really have an answer, and that's "what specs does Koha need" :/ 00:43 dcook Mmm, I've run Koha on AWS, but only for backup sites 00:35 JStall Hello! Does anyone have experience with running a single Koha instance through AWS? I have a trial installation running for a small school, but am unsure which tier is appropriate for our needs. 00:04 wizzyrea excellent