Time  Nick            Message
22:18 nikki           have worked*
22:18 nikki           I tried something, and it did not seem to work
22:04 drojf           *item
22:04 drojf           or import ite data to merge. but in this case, there is marc data available
22:03 drojf           dont import before you add the barcodes. problem solved :P
22:03 eythian         So you can export, add barcodes, import
22:02 eythian         Eg determining what tags should be grouped and which shouldn't
22:02 drojf           why?
22:02 drojf           you want to go from marc to csv to marc?
22:02 eythian         drojf: you can do one way conversions fine, but going back to MARC is hard.
22:00 nikki           thanks for everything!
22:00 Karl_H          have a great weekend everybody
22:00 Karl_H          nikki, I wish you luck, but I gotta go
22:00 Karl_H          output file is the file you're going to save the csv data to
21:59 nikki           Karl_H: So what is the output file? The file to which i want to add 952p?
21:58 drojf           well, depends on your csv :P
21:58 drojf           its easy to do csv to marc in catmandu
21:57 eythian         Not impossible, mind. Maybe I should try it.
21:56 eythian         It's extremely hard to make a proper CSV<->MARC converter thing with full fidelity. The formats are too different.
21:55 Karl_H          either that or marc tools would probably have a MARC>CSV option in there somewhere
21:54 Karl_H          yeah, delimited text translator
21:53 nikki           That;s what I am thinking too, but which tool to use? delimited text translator
21:52 Karl_H          that's how I'd probably do it
21:52 Karl_H          save and then convert back to marc
21:52 Karl_H          create the barcode values for each of your records
21:52 Karl_H          create a new column in like, excel or whatever. Set the header row to 952a if that's the field you want to insert
21:51 * eythian       almost wants to write a free software marcedit type thing. Except I'd have to care for it forever.
21:51 Karl_H          yeah, convert to csv
21:50 nikki           okey, so to csv?
21:50 Karl_H          well first things first, you can use marctools to break the marc file into something that you can more easily edit
21:49 nikki           basically how do I assign values to 952 $a and $p in bulk
21:49 nikki           I have a mrc file, and I need to add items.
21:48 Karl_H          delimited text translator should allow you to convert from csv if that's what you've got
21:48 nikki           I dont mind starin from 1 and incrementing
21:48 Karl_H          do you have some way of matching up the barcodes with the marc files?
21:45 nikki           Jow do I use mareditor to det it done, kidclamp_away ?
21:40 nikki           which one should I use for assigning values to 952 $a and $p in bulk?
21:39 nikki           Can you guyz help me use marcedit? Firstly it is asking me to set default programs.
21:38 drojf           if you check the link you may find rangi and eythian in the list of contributors ;)
21:38 Karl_H          neat, I thought I heard that name somewhere
21:38 drojf           in koha, yes
21:34 Karl_H          this is kind of a tangent, but isn't catmandu being used for elasticsearch somehow?
21:33 nikki           I am almost done installing marcedit. If it fails, I will get it done with pymarc.
21:33 drojf           https://github.com/LibreCat/Catmandu-MARC
21:32 drojf           you can manipulate marc data with catmandu
21:31 Karl_H          marcedit is probably most user friendly though
21:30 Karl_H          pymarc is a python library, I think perl has a library too
21:29 kidclamp        good point
21:29 Karl_H          there are programmatic ways to edit marc as well
21:28 kidclamp        http://marcedit.reeset.net/marcedit-linux-installation-instructions
21:28 kidclamp        but after that I am out of ideas
21:28 kidclamp        adding the items via mysql trickery is your other option
21:28 kidclamp        it doesn't work perfectly
21:27 kidclamp        or you can run it in a windows vm
21:27 nikki           Let me install it, wait a moment
21:27 kidclamp        you 'can' install via mono on linux
21:27 kidclamp        marcedit is the only way I know of off hand to edit marc and add items
21:26 nikki           so how do I add bc to the field in linux? can I use libreoffice?
21:26 kidclamp        more info on koha holdings field here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_(9xx)
21:25 kidclamp        with at least $a and $p
21:25 kidclamp        adding items = adding a 952 marc field
21:25 kidclamp        or add items to the file you used for import and then redo the import
21:24 kidclamp        you can either catalog items through koha
21:24 nikki           alright, so say the right thing ;-)
21:23 kidclamp        just trying to make sure I am not confused and saying the wrong thing
21:23 kidclamp        hehe, no shouting at all
21:23 nikki           records without items. please don't shout at me for not being clear about this before, I just started using koha!
21:22 kidclamp        i.e. are we talking records without items or items without barcodes?
21:21 kidclamp        and nikki - do your biblio records have items?
21:21 drojf           ok ;)
21:21 kidclamp        'trickier than marc' was probably a generous statement :-)
21:21 kidclamp        I don't think you can import csv directly
21:20 kidclamp        you can convert csv to marc then import that
21:20 drojf           you can import biblio data as csv? what did i miss?
21:20 nikki           I see, so is there a way to assign barcodes to all my books?
21:19 kidclamp        that could be, importing csv is going to be tricker than importing marc afaik
21:19 kidclamp        via marcedit
21:19 kidclamp        and probably the eaisest is to edit the marc file you imported initially and add items record
21:18 nikki           so maybe I need to set a csv profile?
21:18 nikki           yes, 0 bytes
21:18 kidclamp        when you say the csv is empty, you mean nothing is exported?
21:18 nikki           hey
21:18 kidclamp        Hi nikki
21:15 nikki           I just left all fields blank. What should I be actually be doing ?
21:14 nikki           But the only problem is that the csv file is empty. I don't know how to select all the items.
21:14 nikki           So after quick googling I decided to export the MARC data as a CSV file, insert the barcode, and then import it back.
21:13 nikki           Now the problem is that I have imported the sample biblio data from a MARC file. I need to add barcodes to them to make them available.
21:12 nikki           I fixed it
21:12 nikki           never mind my previous question.
21:10 nikki           So I am guessing that the first attempt to import succeeded. But I don't see any patrons!
21:09 nikki           I am trying to import patrons to my new library from a csv file. I tried importing the same data twice. This is what i get at the end of the first import: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17451853/
21:07 nikki           Hello people!
19:15 druthb          *digs around, desposits the coin*
19:15 druthb          I think I still have a Jordianian dinar coin.
19:14 druthb          Long commute, to get something for the jar.
19:14 drojf           druthb: try marseille
19:08 druthb          where'm I gonna get a *euro*?
19:07 druthb          hey!
19:07 wahanui         That'll be €1 for the awesome jar, druthb
19:07 druthb          Awesome!
19:05 wahanui         That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, tcohen
19:05 tcohen          awesome!
19:04 tcohen          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfudXO_vzWk
19:04 tcohen          this is great
18:59 nengard         you too
18:59 oleonard        Okay now it's just you and tcohen, nengard. Have a good weekend.
18:57 nengard         awww
18:56 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16763 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Remove the use of "onclick" from record matching rules form
18:56 oleonard        In the picture he's working on Bug 16763
18:48 nengard         and poms and shelties are cousins
18:48 nengard         in colors
18:48 nengard         reverse
18:48 nengard         he's like the revers of my angel
18:48 oleonard        Our new Pomeranian puppy came to visit me at work today
18:47 nengard         it's a puppy!!!!!!
18:47 nengard         oh i had to click
18:47 nengard         omg - i can't tell ... is that a puppy????
18:47 oleonard        https://twitter.com/MyACPL/status/743851124692779008
18:47 nengard         what link ... I don't see it oleonard
18:46 * nengard       hardly looks at twitter ...
18:46 tcohen          well, it is here (holiday) but just wanted to say hi :_D
18:46 oleonard        If nengard were really here she would have commented on my Twitter link earlier, so clearly she is not!
18:41 drojf           i'm not
18:41 nengard         i'm here
18:38 oleonard        It's already the weekend for most I think
18:38 tcohen          hi oleonard, why is that?
18:37 oleonard        Sorry tcohen there is no one here
18:36 tcohen          hi
17:02 oleonard        https://twitter.com/MyACPL/status/743851124692779008
16:33 oleonard        Whoops, missed mahmud after suggesting coming to #koha :|
16:24 mah             any one here watching my text
16:24 mah             hello
16:20 mahmud          any one listening my voice please response
16:17 mahmud          i am new to the koha i have installed this one and found some problem that i can not open a patron
16:16 mahmud          is there anyone here
16:16 mahmud          hello
16:16 huginn`         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16148 [Follow-up] - Use Font Awesome for arrows instead of images <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a96d496c9b8860e493f2d6993ba033b13b8b8b80> / Bug 16148: Fix submit button text <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fd3170296aec71d9a3d97937d27c93c299033ee> / Bug 16148 [Follow-up] Revised layout and behavior of marc modification template manag... <http://git.koh
16:05 huginn`         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16693: Remove reserve/renewscript.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c92d0823f8b79c1bb8f01b4a429961e5f3e5574c>
16:02 mveron          Have a nice weekend #koha
16:00 khall           oleonard: file a bug with a link to that so I don't forget, then send it my way ; )
15:59 khall           oohh, I like ; )
15:59 oleonard        Oh hey khall look what we include by default in our build of  jQueryUI: https://jqueryui.com/sortable/ :)
15:55 huginn`         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16672: Fix typo unqiue vs unique <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fac12d7f1ecfd44f9288aea6cf54efecc883b84> / Bug 16672 [QA Followup] - Convert negative days to positive days <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a98a3bea2a5e98eda794e0ed25ab03fa57f9d85f> / Bug 16672 - Add ability to remove expired holidays from special_holidays <http://git.koha-community.org/gi
15:54 khall           oleonard: my followup should be fixed now!
15:54 khall           assuming it's not too messy to code
15:53 khall           I wasn't thinking the full drag and drop, but that really sounds like the way to go
15:53 khall           ping him about it, if he's not volunteering I may take a crack at it.
15:52 khall           yeah, I was thinking ajax would be the real solution
15:52 oleonard        I think pianohacker mentioned in IRC the idea of using a JS drag and drop reordering thing instead, but I don't think he was volunteering :P
15:51 khall           I'll fix that patch oleonard
15:51 khall           oleonard: yeah, I'm looking at it now. It does make moving a hold a number of places up or down a bit more cumbersome, but it's also more self-explanitory. I'm torn
15:50 khall           oleonard: that shouldn't be there, I started with a copypasta from the FA website, I forgot to remove that
15:49 oleonard        khall: One question: Why the 'aria-hidden="true"'?
15:49 oleonard        khall: That'd be great. I'm looking for more opinions about whether it's even a good  idea.
15:47 khall           I'll see if I can s/o that other patch for you as well
15:47 khall           excellent! if you would countersign that I can push it! I really like your improvements!
15:46 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16421 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move hold edit actions into dropdown menu
15:46 oleonard        khall: I'm fine with it. I did something similar in my patch for Bug 16421
15:45 huginn`         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16543 - Make edit and delete links styled buttons in patron attribute types admin... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae4be45444dd8e6a65dc7170cfc43c60de328f38> / Bug 16541 - Make edit and delete links styled buttons in cities administration <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=51a11d279457f97ac1b30e99d1af38a344d01725> / Bug 16456: Reintroduce wording "Delete t
15:42 oleonard        Record matching rules -> Admin, MARC modification templates -> Tools. Confusing.
15:40 khall           thanks!
15:39 oleonard        Sure
15:39 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16148 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Revised layout and behavior of marc modification template management
15:39 khall           oleonard: can you take a look at the followup I posted on bug 16148 and let me know what you think?
15:25 huginn`         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16127 - Add discharge menu item to patron toolbar <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=981302a47322857b080107a71c47db2345ef5286>
15:21 reiveune        bye
14:55 huginn`         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16594: Fix obvious QA issues from bug 11371 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=64efee0b5cc975b3b80db1841321355eeb39fb48> / Bug 16594: Orders by fund report has wrong link to css and other issues <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4394d88eaeff5df6bf0a28ec3e6faed853b202b> / Bug 16717: Improve variable naming <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c
14:48 drojf           druthb!
14:48 cait            druthb: !
14:48 druthb          drojf!
14:48 druthb          cait!
14:46 cait            hi drojf
14:46 drojf           hi cait
14:45 LibraryClaire   :)
14:45 huginn`         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16607: Remove CPL/MPL from two unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d9c270886b547c1c4973cef3c20f18e6998530a> / Bug 16500: [QA Follow-up] Catch warning if branch MPL already exists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=63fbb336bd90991a8b86ca6fe54d5a069c129373> / Bug 16500: Catch two warns in TestBuilder.t with warning_like <http://git.koha-community.org/
14:45 cait            [off] just got back from my brother's wedding :)
14:45 cait            hi LibraryClaire :)
14:45 LibraryClaire   hi cait
14:44 * cait          waves
14:38 magnuse         oleonard++ for finding it
14:35 huginn`         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16502: Replace a few other ok-calls by is-calls <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8204024f1c21102c0649dec70d10398131aab953> / Bug 16502: Adjust test for GetPlugins <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ad5770786c6646ce68ffdfec9080645fc25772e> / Bug 16502: Add additional test to Plugins.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=959d69fa0
14:29 oleonard        Oh hey look I introduced a bug in 2011 and just found it today :(
14:09 ashimema        parsing hundreds of lines of xml and validating thousands of certificates is time consuming it would seem ;)
14:09 ashimema        but also means restarting the shibd service (which is required any time you make a config change, or add a new customer) take around 8 minutes (when your lucky) and a very well spec'd server
14:08 ashimema        makes settig up new customers who are already part of the federation a doddle
14:08 ashimema        man I have a love hate relationship with UKFederation..
13:55 drojf           eythian: crazily expensive server constraints. unless it would be a very bad idea for some reason, a second server is not an option. (i guess it would mean no for the whole project)
13:54 huginn`         eythian: The operation succeeded.
13:54 eythian         @later tell wizzyrea what'd I do now?
13:53 eythian         drojf: should be OK if you only have the one.
13:47 drojf           openldap and koha on one machine, yay or nay?
13:45 LibraryClaire   yay ashimema
13:42 matts           But in my experience, it really depends on the wind
13:42 * ashimema      dances around the room at getting another shibboleth up and running
13:42 matts           I don't live there so I don't really know
13:39 drojf           warmer than march actually
13:39 drojf           october 9,9--17,8° says the internet
13:37 drojf           how is the weather in marseille in october?
13:37 drojf           yep
13:37 matts           It sure was nice !
13:36 drojf           i could go back right now…
13:36 drojf           matts: thanks for sharing!
13:34 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16747 critical, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Fix regression in patron card creator (patron image)
13:34 mveron          oleonard++ for Bug 16747
13:24 matts           :)
13:24 LibraryClaire   matts nice :)
13:15 matts           Hey #koha, my pics of the KohaCon are there : http://pub.veggie.fr/biblibre/2016_05_29-06_06_KohaCon_Thessaloniki_biblibre.zip
13:08 mveron          Thanks, oleonard
13:07 oleonard        I can take a look mveron
13:07 mveron          The Bug makes the patron card creator unusable (software error)
13:07 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16747 critical, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Fix regression in patron card creator (patron image)
13:07 mveron          It would be great if somebody would have time fo a Sign-off:  Bug 16747 - Fix regression in patron card creator (patron image)
13:05 mveron          Hi again #koha
12:43 oleonard        "The first child option element of a select element with a required attribute and without a multiple attribute, and whose size is “1”, must have either an empty value attribute, or must have no text content"
12:43 oleonard        Here's a W3C constraint and/or admonition I hadn't heard before:
12:37 liw             oleonard+++
12:36 oleonard        [off] Understood.
12:36 drojf           [off] but if you want to get clients, it does not work that way :/
12:35 drojf           yes i know that feeling
12:35 drojf           hahaha
12:35 oleonard        drojf: When I have to call someone and it turns out they're not available I feel like the universe has given me a precious gift.
12:35 drojf           yeah right, only that i wait half an hour to have that phone call :P
12:35 drojf           "lets have a phone call, its much easier than sending an email and waiting for half an hour"
12:34 drojf           every person i have to call today is unavailable. why do telephones exist at all?
12:31 oleonard        arnold: It doesn't hurt to try. If you get stuck then you can seek help then.
12:30 arnold          oleonard: is it very complicated, or do you think someone who has no Javascript experience like me can get it done?
12:29 arnold          ie, force him to unset "Damaged" and then set "Lost" manually?
12:28 oleonard        arnold: Sorry I don't have time to do that
12:28 arnold          oleonard: Since you know jQuery, can you be kind enough to write a script that will simply alert the user that it is in violation and not submit the unwanted change.
12:27 oleonard        arnold: The jQuery is working correctly, but it must be more complicated than simply blanking the hidden inputs. I don't know offhand what is going on in the script so I'm not sure what to suggest.
12:26 arnold          I am still able to set the status as both "Lost" and "Damaged".
12:25 oleonard        What exactly isn't working arnold?
12:23 arnold          http://paste.ubuntu.com/17430015/ oleonard
12:22 oleonard        Please paste the contents of your intranetuserjs preference
12:22 arnold          yes, http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/moredetail.pl?biblionumber=1&itemnumber=1#item1
12:21 oleonard        You're working from catalogue/moredetail.pl right?
12:21 arnold          oleonard: Nope, the blank did not work either.
12:18 arnold          Let me try "". If it is very difficult, can I at least alert the staff that it is not permitted and not submit it? (validate)
12:17 oleonard        Maybe so. I thought 0 was the default, but perhaps it is blank in your system and not mine
12:16 arnold          There is no Authorized Value "0" for any of the fields. oleonard could that be the reason?
12:15 arnold          Yes I am.
12:14 oleonard        arnold: Are you adding it as part of a $(document).ready() block in the intranetuserjs preference? I shouldn't have assumed that.
12:13 arnold          oleonard: Did you test it, it does not work for me!
12:05 pastebot        "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "arnold try this" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/1
12:04 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15006 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Need to distinguish client timeout from login timeout
12:04 marcelr         khall: please check my comment on bug 15006; thx
11:54 arnold          This is what I tried: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17429523/
11:53 arnold          I don't know jQuery. First I tried to reset all other statuses if one status is changed. But it did not work. Can you help me with it? I'll post the code...
11:51 oleonard        I'm sure that's possible
11:49 arnold          Can I just make it invalid to set a status of Damaged and Withdrawn for the staff using jQuery?
11:48 oleonard        But it doesn't prevent your staff from changing the statuses
11:47 oleonard        That's just a matter of composing the right SQL
11:47 arnold          I see.
11:47 oleonard        arnold: If you're talking about reports you can select whatever you want. damaged but not withdrawn, damaged and withdrawn, etc.
11:47 arnold          (ie withdrawn and damaged)
11:46 arnold          So if I generate a report of damaged books, it will include books that are withdrawn too?
11:45 oleonard        Not that I know of arnold. Koha isn't designed to work that way.
11:43 arnold          Is there any way to enforce this, oleonard ?
11:43 arnold          I need to make sure that the status of each book can only be unique. It should not be both Withdrawn and Lost, for example.
11:42 oleonard        Hi arnold
11:41 arnold          Hello #koha!
11:37 oleonard        Hi #koha
11:30 druthb          o/
11:24 huginn`         druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 26.1°C (6:24 AM CDT on June 17, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).  Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM CDT Saturday... 
11:24 druthb          @wunder 77098
11:08 francharb       morning
09:25 marcelr         same bag
09:25 bag             have THE awesome day magnuse and marcelr
09:25 bag             ok magnuse I think I found the end of the internet…  nothing left to learn, so I best go to sleep
09:16 magnuse         lol
09:15 bag             Plus I get to hangout with my main man magnuse
09:12 magnuse         learning++
09:12 magnuse         yay for that!
09:00 bag             nah I am really happy being awake right now - I am studying and learning things that I don’t normally have the time for
08:59 magnuse         bag: go get some sleep!
08:57 marcelr         :)
08:57 bag             I’m never right - I just am tired ;)
08:57 marcelr         ok you are right
08:57 bag             I think it’s more really late
08:57 marcelr         hi bag early heh
08:56 bag             heh
08:56 wahanui         marcelr is talking with tcohen about it
08:56 bag             heya marcelr
08:47 marcelr         hi #koha
07:47 drojf           :P
07:47 magnuse         \m/
07:47 bag             :D
07:47 drojf           ..
07:47 magnuse         ,
07:47 bag             .
06:58 fridolin        bonjour
06:55 alex_a          bonjour
06:53 reiveune        hello
06:50 huginn`         mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 14.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on June 17, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
06:50 mveron          @wunder Allschwil
06:48 mveron          Good morning / daytime #koha
06:28 huginn`         LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 14.0°C (7:20 AM BST on June 17, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
06:28 LibraryClaire   @wunder LCY
06:28 * LibraryClaire waves
06:24 magnuse         double digits!
06:24 huginn`         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 13.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 17, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
06:24 magnuse         @wunder boo
06:23 * magnuse       WAVES
05:08 mveron-away     quit
03:09 huginn`         wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
03:09 wizzyrea        @later tell eythian you are one clever guy. Thanks for being so clever.
03:07 mtompset        Have a great day, 24 hour period, #koha.