Time  Nick            Message
23:36 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
22:13 wizzyrea        it'll be a major pain in the butt, hope you're ready ;)
22:11 mveron          ...but it's late, let's call it a day.
22:10 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16346 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, In Discussion , Website should be translatable
22:10 * mveron        is glad about Bug 16346
22:07 mveron          Good nighttime / daytime #koha
22:03 holey           testing only now
22:01 rangi           hi holey
22:00 holey           Hi all
21:48 cait            wizzyrea++ :)
21:48 wizzyrea        cait++
21:44 cait            Offizielle Webseite der Bibliothekssoftware Koha
21:44 cait            Das erste freie und Open-Source-Bibliothekssystem der Welt!
21:44 wizzyrea        or "official website of Koha library software"
21:44 wizzyrea        how about "The worlds first free and open source library system"
21:43 wizzyrea        ok, easier
21:43 cait            it's hard!
21:42 cait            um
21:42 wizzyrea        i want to test our multilang wordpress :P
21:42 wizzyrea        Koha is a fully featured, scalable library management system. Development is sponsored by libraries of varying types and sizes, volunteers, and support companies worldwide.
21:42 wizzyrea        cait, what would the german translation of this be
21:41 cait            yeah :)
21:40 wizzyrea        general request, if you spot the official one before I do, please let me know so I can update the photo on the website. I might miss the "team self organised into a heart" photo though.
21:39 wizzyrea        Hm ok!
21:35 rangi           yeah not sure
21:35 cait            it might not b the official one - the one in the video seems different?
21:31 cait            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj70wc7WsAAkkM5.jpg ?
21:30 cait            i think there was one on twitter - but not sure where lese
21:30 rangi           http://www.livemedia.com/kohacon16  <-- not one here
21:30 cait            hm
21:30 wizzyrea        group*
21:30 wizzyrea        I saw the one from the last day but it didn't look like the full grou[
21:29 rangi           they took one, not sure where it ended up
21:29 wizzyrea        do we have a new very nice group photo from kohacon?
21:28 rangi           sleep well
21:28 LibraryClaire   Hm, throat feels full of tiny knives, bed for me. Night #koha
21:06 cait            :)
21:05 rangi           good luck
21:05 LibraryClaire   heh good luck!
21:05 cait            wish me luck :)
21:05 * cait          is going to face 1000 bug mails onw
21:01 cait            i was home about 2pm
21:01 cait            we had quite a pleasant trip this time... but i think next time it will be harder again
21:01 cait            ugh
21:00 rangi           only 4 less than me this time, i had less sitting in airport time on the way back
21:00 LibraryClaire   ouch
21:00 bag             I have the lag of jet
21:00 bag             yup 28 hours
20:59 cait            bag: did you make it home well too? I think we just missed you at the airport
20:57 bag             :)
20:57 cait            I think it's safe to say we can all agree on 'yum'
20:57 bag             nice :)
20:57 cait            bag: sharing the peanut butter goodness with the coworkers
20:57 cait            hi bag :)
20:56 LibraryClaire   hi bag
20:56 cait            it's on my whiteboard onw
20:56 LibraryClaire   yes
20:56 bag             heya
20:56 cait            i printed it even heh
20:55 cait            yep
20:55 rangi           did you get your certificates?
20:55 LibraryClaire   spreading the love
20:55 rangi           may as well make everyone else sick too eh? :-)
20:54 LibraryClaire   nah, I went in today, though it was potentially the wrong choice
20:54 cait            staying home?
20:54 LibraryClaire   it's worse
20:54 cait            meh :(
20:54 LibraryClaire   not great :(
20:53 cait            how are you feeling now? cold gone?
20:53 cait            no me :) i got lost in the big email pile
20:51 LibraryClaire   cait: yes I did thanks, it would have been more pleasant without being ill but it was ok!
20:51 rangi           i spot the hand of eythian
20:51 LibraryClaire   lol
20:51 rangi           hehehe
20:50 wahanui         LibraryClaire is, like, the monster under my bed
20:50 LibraryClaire   me?
20:50 cait            haven't been around much here the last 2 days - did you get back well?
20:50 LibraryClaire   hi cait :)
20:50 cait            hey LibraryClaire :)
20:50 rangi           hey cait and LibraryClaire
20:49 LibraryClaire   hi rangi!
20:49 cait            morning and welcome back rnagi
20:49 rangi           morning
19:36 tcohen          shift -1
19:35 tcohen          nye #lpha
16:42 kidclamp        yeah, indexOf( input_label ) is finding 'to' in guarantorxxx and assuming you want to show 'to'
16:36 kidclamp        though it shouldn't :D
16:35 kidclamp        yup, thanks (sorta) I think it might be hitting that 'to' in guarantor
16:35 Joubu           and you will see the extra expiry date field
16:34 Joubu           kidclamp: fill patronquickaddfields with surname|sex|guarantorxxx
16:34 Joubu           ???
16:34 Joubu           but guarantorxxx
16:34 Joubu           kidclamp: ho wait, it does not work with xxx
16:33 Joubu           kidclamp: yes and it won't be easy to support. Would be good to add a note in the pref description
16:32 kidclamp        if guarantor form is needed I think it makes more sense/is easier to pull it over wholesale if present
16:31 kidclamp        hrm..I will keep investigating
16:31 Joubu           kidclamp: no, BorrowerMandatoryField contains firstname|surname
16:28 kidclamp        joubu - you don't have expiry date set to required do you? I can't recreate what you saw
16:13 * mveron        is called for dinner
16:10 huginn          04Bug 16686: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab
16:10 khall           Joubu: updated: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686
16:05 mveron          Template process failed: undef error - Can't call method "_columns" without a package or object reference at /usr/share/kohaclone/Koha/Object.pm line 266.
16:05 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab
16:05 mveron          Hi khall, I get an error while testing Bug 16686
15:54 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Proposal to uniform the placement of submit buttons
15:54 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleishaamohia, Signed Off , Item edit screen should use floating toolbar like cataloging interface
15:54 Joubu           bug 11089 and bug 16400 are waiting for QA pov
15:54 * cait          vanishes again
15:54 cait            so many emails from being away :(
15:54 * cait          waves
15:53 Joubu           khall: and not sure it's a good idea to call 3x GetTransfers
15:53 drojf           later #koha
15:52 khall           ah, will do!
15:52 Joubu           khall: datesent needs to be fixed as well
15:51 khall           np!
15:51 Joubu           thx khall!
15:51 huginn          04Bug 16686: major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab
15:51 khall           Joubu: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686
15:36 LibraryClaire   :)
15:32 talljoy         hi LibraryClaire
15:27 LibraryClaire   Hi talljoy
15:25 talljoy         it is still 'barely' morning.  i slept well last night after all that travel
15:24 Joubu           morning talljoy
15:24 Joubu           khall: thanks
15:23 talljoy         morning #koha
15:23 khall           Joubu: I'll take a look!
15:23 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab
15:23 Joubu           khall: Are you aware of bug 16686? Any idea how we could fix it?
15:16 reiveune1       bye
15:02 polar_          in 2015 there is mentioned a Internet Archive Bookreader. Is that related to eBooks lending then? Sorry for asking. So many options to look at :)
14:57 polar_          hmmm, has Koha native support for eBook lending? I found two websites saying "we use a system based on Koha". Does this mean Koha out of the box does not support eBooks?
14:51 tcohen          ah
14:51 tcohen          Context.pm:383
14:51 Joubu           or $dbms => 1
14:50 Joubu           tcohen: yes, but the template is testing [% IF mysql %] and there is not $template->param( mysql => 1 ) in the script
14:50 Joubu           I have to log twice
14:50 Joubu           tcohen: note that I have an issue also, I get "Error: IP address has changed. Please log in again " after a logout > login
14:49 tcohen          config->db_scheme
14:48 Joubu           tcohen: I don't find where this var is set
14:47 polar_          Joubu: Yes I noticed :).
14:46 polar_          bye for now, thanks for the chat !
14:46 Joubu           it seems that the "mysql" var is not set and it assumes that you are using postgresql
14:44 tcohen          exactly!
14:44 Joubu           tcohen: why is it refering to the postgres doc?
14:44 Joubu           (smiley missing)
14:43 Joubu           Koha 3 is outdated, the current version is 16.05
14:43 tcohen          https://snag.gy/ynWe3P.jpg
14:42 tcohen          Joubu: well, this message is fun
14:38 polar_          OK, will be doing some reading up on this. Found a well documented book "Koha 3 Library Management System by Savitra Sirohi & Amit Gupta". Nice late night reading :).
14:37 tcohen          ("English" instead of the usual "en", hehe)
14:37 tcohen          even the templates are picking the language names from the DB
14:36 tcohen          Joubu: I'm not sure
14:35 Joubu           tcohen: How could I recreate?
14:35 Joubu           tcohen: nothing useful at first glance
14:34 polar_          drojf: But I also write my own eBooks. Right now I put them on an eCommerce platform, free for download for my subscriber clients. But I gues building a library could be an alternative way to go.
14:33 kidclamp        polar_: I think you have to evaluate that yourself - koha is intended as an ILS, offering full functions for libraries. It is great software and does a lot and has a wonderful community if you need it.
14:33 tcohen          Joubu  ^^^^
14:33 tcohen          https://snag.gy/mh0GPR.jpg
14:32 polar_          drojf: Yes I want to implement it, because in the world we live in, DRM is an evil we have to live with :)
14:31 Joubu           tcohen: something in the logs?
14:30 tcohen          like it had caching issues!
14:30 polar_          So the actual question remains. If the main goal is to catalogue eBooks and offer a web interface for browsing the metadata, and downloading a copy of the document, and Calibre does the job, is their any specific reason why I should consider Koha? It looks like a mighty fine piece of software.
14:30 tcohen          Joubu: I have master installed, DB created, and it sends me to the install process
14:26 drojf           you just said you want to implement it
14:25 polar_          agree with that drojf
14:25 drojf           i hope it will have none at all
14:25 drojf           i don't think drm will have a bright future as part of koha
14:21 huginn          polar_: I suck
14:21 wahanui         RDA is my cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad
14:21 polar_          huginn: What is RDA?
14:21 drojf           polar_: drm stuff usually happens outside of koha. on the side of providers of such kind of things. like the ebsco plugin
14:20 wahanui         yep.
14:20 Joubu           tcohen: yep?
14:19 polar_          drojf: Reason I strart without DRM is to keep it simple. Learn the basics, get a basic system running, later implement DRM.
14:19 rocio           buen dia
14:18 drojf           polar_: koha does not really do what you are looking for then. and i don't see the point in doing that. limiting access to something that has no reason to be limited is strange
14:18 polar_          But FYI, DRM is not important for my project.
14:18 polar_          I assume as soon as one uses DRM protected eBooks, Koha will need a plugin ro something to f.ex. Adobe DRM server?
14:17 kidclamp        :-)
14:16 polar_          Kidclamp: Thx :)
14:16 kidclamp        no @'s needed in this channel polar_ , just the username
14:15 huginn          polar_: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
14:15 polar_          @drojf: Well that is what basically is done now with use of Calibre_eBooks. The web UI xxx:9090 gives acces to book information like "Big" cover image and book description + downloadlink of the CBR file. But I have no user control. Other then that it does the job. So I guess that Koha will give more "user" management. Could be interesting to see how Koha actually removes or disables the eBook after f.ex. 10 days of lending.
14:14 kidclamp        being able to actually circulate an e-item always sounds cool to me, but then I get thinking it smacks of building in DRM
14:12 huginn          polar_: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
14:12 polar_          @kidclamp: Yes, that was what I was thinking also. Thx for the reply.
14:08 drojf           hi bag
14:07 bag             morning
14:07 drojf           or actually circulate it (for whatever reason and in whatever way)?
14:06 drojf           polar_: download/loan a non drm book means you want  a link to a file?
14:04 kidclamp        hi polar_, it sounds interesting, I don't think koha currently has a method for checking out e-materials (in the sense of only making them available to user after checkout) but for cataloging and providing access it could be used
13:58 polar_          Hi all, new to Koha. Just started digging into ebooks. Installed a windows based platform with Calibre-ebooks. Works great for me, but does not support lending, only web based downloading. Just wondering if Koha could be more practical. Just want an interface that makes it easy for users to download/loan non-DMR ebooks, but with a nice GUI. No big project, just for privat use. Is Koha right, or maybe overkill? Please your advice.
13:07 tcohen          Joubu: around?
12:51 LibraryClaire   I can hear thunder :O
12:51 huginn          LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 23.0°C (1:20 PM BST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
12:51 LibraryClaire   @wunder LCY
12:51 huginn          mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 21.0°C (2:30 PM CEST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
12:51 mveron          @wunder Allschwil
12:50 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
12:50 drojf           @wunder berlin, germany
12:44 mveron          hi drojf
12:43 drojf           hi mveron
12:38 mveron          hey andreashm
12:38 andreashm       hey mveron
12:36 mveron          Hi #koha
12:21 tcohen          hey andreashm
12:21 andreashm       hi tcohen
12:20 tcohen          hi drojf!
12:20 tcohen          gmcharlt: thanks
12:20 drojf           hi tcohen
12:20 tcohen          hola #koha
12:16 LibraryClaire   hi drojf
12:16 drojf           hi LibraryClaire
12:16 drojf           hackfest was fun
12:15 * LibraryClaire waves
12:15 andreashm       how was your hackfest?
12:15 andreashm       hey drojf!
12:15 drojf           hi andreashm
12:14 * andreashm     waves
11:54 drojf           Joubu: for self checkout. but also for only authentication with another service?
11:24 Joubu           drojf: 'circulate'
10:55 drojf           what permissions would i grant to a sip user account for authentication? borrowers and nothing else?
10:25 drojf           libdbix-runsql-perl
10:25 drojf           yes
10:24 eythian         if so, yes.
10:24 eythian         is it DBIx::RunSQL?
10:23 drojf           ah, the fix for mysql 5.7 i guess
10:14 drojf           do we have a new dependency in 3.22.7? seems like a dist-upgrade is needed
10:13 drojf           back
09:46 * drojf         changes offices
09:32 drojf           yes. i saw the thing (HAN server) speaks ldap. but just now i saw it also speaks sip2. so if there is no reason not to use that, it would be my favourite
09:31 eythian         that sounds like an awful idea
09:31 eythian         nooo
09:30 drojf           the proposed option was an odbc connection to the koha db, that did not sound very attractive
09:29 drojf           yes, that is the thing that would make it easier, because that ldap server does not exist yet :)
09:29 eythian         sip2 means you can use koha as a user database.
09:28 drojf           i have seen that people use SIP2 in Koha to talk to EZproxy. any reason not to do that? i was looking into using ldap, but sip2 may be an easier way
09:24 Joubu           drojf: yes, bcrypt
09:08 drojf           [off] ah, interesting. also do beer vouchers for bars and i can outsource all the things to you :D
09:06 eythian         [off] drojf: well, we're starting to sell tickets to things like museums and stuff. So need to know how the actual process works.
09:04 drojf           what do we use to hash passwords atm? bcrypt?
08:57 drojf           not sure how marcel's work relates to yours. do you have so many servers that you put them in other people's buildings?
08:56 drojf           ha awesome
08:54 eythian         I get to work, and discover that we have a class trip to Marcel's work this afternoon to test one of our systems.
08:53 drojf           looks like i'm here
08:53 drojf           test
08:38 wahanui         OK, eythian.
08:38 eythian         wahanui: wizzycray is wizzyrea running on a supercomputer
07:27 drojf           hi dcook
07:06 * dcook         also waves to drojf1
07:06 dcook           Salut French folk :)
07:06 huginn          dcook: The operation succeeded.
07:06 dcook           @later tell cait Could you take a look at bug 13023?
07:05 fridolin        hie there
07:01 matts           hi #koha !
07:00 wahanui         hello, jajm
07:00 jajm            hello
06:55 reiveune        hello
06:47 wahanui         bonjour, alex_a
06:47 alex_a          bonjour
06:33 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16190 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Enable the indexer daemon by default
06:33 mtj             dcook: yes, bug 16190 uses /usr/sbin/koha-indexer
06:04 dcook           I don't know. I recall Tomas having figured it out for the community :p
06:04 dcook           Or maybe that doesn't use koha-indexer
06:03 dcook           We use an indexing daemon and it works well
06:03 * dcook         is glad for this :D
06:03 dcook           Ah yes, I think that uses koha-indexer?
06:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16190 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Enable the indexer daemon by default
06:02 mtj             dcook:  bug 16190
05:55 dcook           mtj: indexing-daemon?
05:52 mtj             i was saying that switching to indexing-daemon, reduced server load :)
05:51 mtj             dcook: barton is having some server load problems, yes - but not me
05:50 taa             from whr
05:50 mtj             ..disable 'mandatory' setting, for a marc tag
05:50 mtj             i think you need to edit your marc frameworks taa
05:43 taa             what is command to customize default tag list
05:43 taa             how to get only required tags for data entry instead of all tags
05:32 dcook           We index every few seconds, and we haven't had any problems
05:31 dcook           mtj: Is there an issue with server load?
04:56 magnuse         /me waves
04:32 mtj             dcook: hmm, it matters - because one option potentially reduces server load
04:23 * dcook         will see what tcohen says
04:23 wizzyrea        dunno, haven't tested it
04:23 dcook           It seems like we're using Ansible on the host instead?
04:23 dcook           wizzyrea: I don't know why we wouldn't just use Ansible locally on the VM created by Vagrant
04:21 dcook           mtj: Btw, you might find this relevant: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/shadow-registers.html
04:18 dcook           mtj: Why does it matter?
04:18 wizzyrea        know
04:18 wizzyrea        but I don't really mnow
04:18 wizzyrea        I don't think it works that way
04:18 * dcook         loves Ansible
04:18 mtj             ..i thought there would be some overhead in starting many small indexing jobs, at least
04:18 dcook           Is that like this: https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/tree/legacy ?
04:18 wizzyrea        the ansible one is probably generally better
04:17 wizzyrea        I have a fork of the bash one.
04:17 dcook           wizzyrea: I thought the ansible one was the only option now?
04:17 wizzyrea        (yet.)
04:17 * wizzyrea      doesn't use the ansible one
04:16 dcook           O_o
04:16 mtj             wizzyrea: i kinda thought it would be generally more 'efficient' to do a big bunch of zebra updates every 5 mins - than a few updates, every 10 secs
04:11 schnydszch      it's in my to do list today, to test a patch, patch 9701 :)
04:10 schnydszch      no problem dcook :) I just used PTFS Europe's
04:09 dcook           Probably not for another 2-3 hours
04:09 schnydszch      Any biblibre folks here now?
04:06 schnydszch      dcook, NP, in case someone can help.. I'll just try other sandboxes
04:06 dcook           Have you been working on Koha for 3 years? Wow, time flies by...
04:05 Francesca       yeah it would have been about 3 years now since I had a windows computer
04:05 dcook           Like me, it probably makes sense to ask the listserv
04:05 dcook           schnydszch: I don't have knowledge about your issue, unfortunately.
04:04 dcook           Francesca: Interesting... was that a long time ago? I'm thinking maybe tcohen added Ansible later https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox
04:04 schnydszch      When I open http://pro.test7.biblibre.com/ it points me to the web installer but I don't have the credentials, it should be sent in the email right?
04:03 Francesca       dcook: ansible? also I used to have koahdevbox on windows before I got my mac
04:02 schnydszch      first was because someone's using the devbox
04:02 dcook           Francesca: Interesting. Due to the Ansible dependency, it seems that you can only use it on Mac or Linux?
04:02 Francesca       to do stuff
04:02 schnydszch      dcook, I got email on the first try but second and third, none
04:02 Francesca       on my mac
04:02 Francesca       I think I've used kohadevbox before
04:02 dcook           :(
04:01 Francesca       I have a cold
04:01 * dcook         is actually looking for folk who use kohadevbox..
04:01 dcook           Francesca: Oh, stuff and things. You?
04:01 dcook           Sorry, schnydszch. I haven't looked at that one before.
04:01 wahanui         everything.
04:01 Francesca       sup?
04:00 wahanui         Francesca is a musical front end cat person
04:00 dcook           hey Francesca
04:00 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9701 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joachim.ganseman, Needs Signoff , Configure default indicator
04:00 schnydszch      Hello Koha community, I'm trying to test a patch for bug 9701, using biblibre sandbox, the test7 one, it seems I'm not getting email after filling all the required fields
04:00 Francesca       hi dcook
04:00 * dcook         waves
03:55 wizzyrea        or would just do them as they came in
03:55 wizzyrea        because it wouldn't have so many to do at a time
03:55 wizzyrea        but the daemon would help that
03:54 wizzyrea        that would put a quintillion index updates into the queue
03:54 wizzyrea        I've been wondering if the setting that puts the last issue date in the record, requiring a reindex, causes trouble on these high transaction libraries
03:51 mtj             ..i'm not quite sure why the load has dropped, tbh - still curious about that
03:50 mtj             hey wizzyrea :)
03:45 wizzyrea        I suspect it really would for high change volume libraries
03:43 huginn          mtj: The operation succeeded.
03:43 mtj             @later tell barton recently switching to the indexing daemon has actually dropped the server load, for us :)
02:33 huginn          gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
02:33 gmcharlt        @later tell tcohen I've dropped a new master package
00:59 geek_cl         Magnus Enger is here now() ?