Time Nick Message 22:35 drojf good night #koha 21:14 drojf it's not all i want to have, but it's a lot. including catmandu-rdf, which almost drove me nuts with deps ;) 21:13 rangi oh cool 21:09 drojf rangi: if you feel adventurous: https://apt.abunchofthings.net/ 20:32 drojf liw: around? 20:31 drojf hackfest email to koha-de sent. either there will be a million emails tomorrow or none ;) 20:28 drojf btw, my coworking thingy bought a "spreedbox" and it does decent webrtc video conferencing. i think it is supposed to be up to 6 people per conference only and the software should be available under a free license, maybe that would be an alternative to google for such meetings? 20:25 drojf lol 20:19 tcohen paul_p: LOL 20:13 paul_p BobB move your mouse on your hangout window, a toolbar should appear on top of it. muting/unmuting is the most left icon 20:12 paul_p BobB your mike is muted on google hangout 20:12 paul_p BobB = do you hear me ? 20:12 rangi it probably came across the sydney harbour bridge, which is also the auckland harbour bridge 20:10 bag Wild Kangaroo 20:10 bag heh 20:10 rangi appareently you can buy it in the US bag 20:09 rangi lol 20:09 rangi Wild Kangaroo Entree 20:09 BobB ok got it, will drop the call I'm in and initiate the other 20:09 rangi Exotic Proteins From New Zealand 20:09 rangi someone is confused 20:09 rangi with kangaroo 20:09 rangi lol product of nz 20:08 bag BobB: pm’d you the link 20:08 rangi heh 20:08 huginn bag: The current temperature in Kittyland Love Center, E Tabor, Portland, Oregon is 28.8°C (1:07 PM PDT on April 18, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 20:08 bag @wunder 97215 20:08 BobB hi rangi 20:08 BobB bag's call came through to my mobile phone but I lost it 20:08 paul_p just for kidding : do you know : http://www.kohapet.com/ ? 20:07 rangi hey paul_p :) 20:07 paul_p hi rangi 20:07 BobB I seem to be in a google hangouts channel on my own 20:07 BobB fundraising meeting? 20:07 paul_p hi BobB 20:06 BobB hi bag, paul_p 20:05 rangi heh, someone just offered to sell me a list of registered koha users .. 20:04 paul_p bag = no invite in my mailbox still :( 20:02 bag I just sent an invite 20:02 bag yes paul_p 20:01 paul_p bag = and it's supposed to start now, isn't it ? 20:01 bag let’s do hangout I thinks 20:01 paul_p bag = the funding meeting is here or via Hangout ? 20:01 bag hi paul_p 20:00 cait hi paul_p 20:00 paul_p hi bag & cait 19:59 cait :) 19:59 bag hi cait 19:59 * cait waves 19:34 * elkin slaps elkin around a bit with a large fishbot 19:05 bag :) 19:02 tcohen bag^^ 19:01 tcohen is related to 16258 19:01 tcohen pianohacker: look at 16288 19:01 tcohen later #koha 18:41 pianohacker well, and I'd argue that's probably the right behavior anyway 18:40 tcohen sounds correct 18:40 pianohacker tcohen: if we create the foreign key with ON DELETE SET NULL, will that set frameworkcode to NULL for bibs with nonexistent frameworks? 18:39 pianohacker hmm. 18:38 tcohen what do u feel about it pianohacker ? 18:37 tcohen ashimema: ¡ 18:37 tcohen - enforce it at DB level, and provide a warning during upgrade 18:36 tcohen - fallback to default (and probably notify the user with a warning) 18:36 tcohen and I'm not sure what's the best approach 18:36 tcohen i want to write a patch 18:36 tcohen that's why i asked 18:36 tcohen it breaks, badly 18:36 pianohacker tcohen: what currently happens when a bib has a nonexistent framework? 18:27 tcohen #koha: should frameworkcode have a FK on biblio ? 18:21 oleonard Follett acquires Baker & Taylor: http://librarytechnology.org/news/pr.pl?id=21497 18:18 cait but need to do more testing to see if it works 18:18 cait i have one screen that could use your magical touch there i think 18:17 cait i am working on a patch for multiple routing lists 18:17 * cait waves at oleonard :) 18:17 cait not usre :) 18:08 oleonard Oh hey remember list sharing? I wonder why we don't have that in the staff client? 17:56 cait anyway... 17:56 drojf or he is… a way 17:55 magnuse he might be... away :-) 17:54 cait ah.. guess not :) 17:54 cait khall_away: still around? 17:53 magnuse wb 17:08 cait pianohacker:, drojf: made a list with all things suggested - thx all 17:06 reiveune bye 17:02 drojf i had 5,2gb for ~500k GND authority files. depending on the size of the records, getting to 20gb may be an option 16:55 cait it goes on the list to check 16:55 cait not sure how big it is 16:55 cait 20G for biblios 16:55 cait some might just be an overlay.. not sure if that would make a difference 16:55 drojf and some kind of message about it 16:54 drojf but i would expect all new records failing then 16:54 drojf won't hurt to turn that up and try 16:54 cait making a list of things for the admin tomorrow 16:54 cait hm checking our defaults, but not sure what#s on the server 16:54 drojf on your server i mean 16:53 drojf what do those settings say? 16:53 cait https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=32656 16:53 cait something like this 16:53 cait i wonder if it oculd be a zebra setting 16:53 cait yeah disk is not full 16:52 drojf i guess you checked that your disk is not full? (that would look worse…) 16:50 cait as this started only a while ago and the nubmers seem to increase 16:50 cait is there some size limit for the zebra index/commit whatever we could be running into? 16:46 cait and now it IS searchable 16:46 cait i edited it 16:46 cait huh 16:46 cait ah hun 16:46 cait and -v -v but we tried that 16:45 cait sliced? 16:45 cait and it was only one? 16:45 cait well yeah.. but i can only try to that tomorrow 16:34 pianohacker :P 16:34 pianohacker I disagree, I've given you at least two or three shamanic rituals to hand to your sysadmin to appease Zebra 16:31 cait drojf: problem still unsolved 16:30 drojf back 16:07 cait t 16:07 cait and that wouldn't explain why a manual reindex during the day still doesn' thave an effec 16:06 cait tops 16:06 cait about 1000 records in the import a night 16:06 cait hm yeah 16:06 pianohacker sounds different than yours 16:06 pianohacker for us, it was an "indexing too many things at once", and only came up on full rebuilds (so we could solve it with the sliced rebuild) 16:05 cait did you solve it? 16:05 pianohacker we've run into issues with that 16:05 cait that doesn't sound nice 16:05 pianohacker probably zebraidx crashing 16:02 cait previous transaction didn't reach commit .. 16:02 cait it only started a few days ago... didn't happen the first few months 15:58 cait the zebra message was smething... not comitted 15:53 drojf later #koha 15:53 * drojf heads home 15:53 drojf good luck :) 15:52 cait see if they cause trouble there too 15:52 cait drojf: not yet, but it's an idea 15:52 drojf have you tried importing some of the relevant records into an empty db? 15:51 cait we had something reported sometimes, that i am not sure is related - looking for the email 15:49 cait well nt for the nightly import as that would be really loud, but when i had added them back in the queue 15:49 cait we tried - nothing shows 15:48 cait i wonder if it reaches some kind of limit somewhere? 15:48 cait 870.000 records 15:48 cait the db is our biggest 15:47 pianohacker then your best bet is to run rebuild zebra in double loud mode (-v -v) 15:47 cait not a lot of info like abstract or anything 15:47 cait 2 items 15:47 cait and they are not especially big 15:47 cait i have checked... i can't see anything out of the usual 15:47 cait they are all from the union catlaog 15:47 cait unlikely 15:44 pianohacker or ones with encoding problems? 15:44 pianohacker cait: would these be really large records? 15:41 cait any idea what could cause this? 15:41 cait but right now we only know that like 30 are missing... and we can't locate them 15:41 cait the only success we had is using the zebra_queue script with a where condition and the biblionumber 15:41 cait when i put them in the queue again by doing some change - they get 'indexed' (zebra_queue) - but are still not searchable 15:40 magnuse maybe they are just shy? 15:40 cait in the zebra_queue they are marked as done 15:40 cait but some records are not searchable 15:40 cait the import finiehs perfectly 15:40 cait we have a weird import/reindexing problemin one of our databases 15:40 cait hm i have a question too 15:39 wahanui somebody said magnuse was afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 15:39 bag heya magnuse 15:38 magnuse bag: HI 15:38 magnuse now that there are moer/different people around: anyone tried koha with cperl? said to be twice as fast as "regular" perl http://perl11.org/ 15:30 cait becuase there is this one serial view feature for the OPAC that only works for UNIMARC 15:30 cait always assumed it might be UNIMARC 15:30 cait no idea 15:30 cait oleonard: i checked some of our most recent dbs... nothing there 15:28 * oleonard wonders if biblio.serial is used anymore 15:26 bag morning 15:20 ashimema which we didn't think about 15:20 ashimema that works fine except for the serials case.. where lots of place catalogue a single serial at the bib level, then each issue at the item level :( 15:19 ashimema :) 15:19 oleonard Makes sense 15:19 ashimema idea being that "if you've read harry potter and the philosophers stone once, you don't want to get it again the next week just because you've not read that particular copy of it' 15:18 oleonard Thanks ashimema, and hi :) 15:16 ashimema rather than item level 15:16 ashimema it's bibliographic level 15:16 ashimema correct oleanard 15:11 oleonard So, just to be sure: The new feature checks whether any item on the biblio has been checked out? Not just that one item? 15:09 pianohacker cait: correct. 15:08 cait the question is 'how to or not how to check if something is a serial' 15:07 cait is the one this is about 15:07 cait Bug 6906 - show 'Borrower has previously issued $ITEM' alert on checkout 15:07 cait you can't set a frameworkcode it hought? 15:07 cait hm but if you add a new record 15:06 pianohacker I thought it preserved the frameworkcode in the underlying DB (could be wrong about that), but it DOES always use the mandatory/repeatable rules of the default framework 15:06 cait cool thx 15:06 pianohacker correct 15:06 pianohacker oh, right, an actual question 15:05 cait so no frameworkcodes when using rancor? 15:05 pianohacker just noodle on a piano 15:04 cait but we have solar panels on the roof... so might be hard to fnd a good spot for it 15:04 cait hm... that's an idea... 15:04 pianohacker oh hahahaha 15:03 pianohacker yup 15:03 oleonard pianohacker: She mentioned you moments before you appeared, so I thought maybe you saw the pianohacker signal 15:03 cait i think it's always setting default, is that about right? 15:03 cait i was just wondering - frameworkcodes and rancor.... 15:03 cait hi pianohacker :) 15:03 pianohacker so no, oleonard :) 15:03 pianohacker the huginn is silent 15:03 pianohacker poking the huginn 15:02 oleonard pianohacker: Did you hear cait's call? 14:58 cait ah no pianohacker 14:58 cait that's not mapped to any marc field is it? 14:58 wahanui frameworkcode is, like, _usually_ '' 14:58 cait hm frameworkcode... 14:58 Joubu it did for me actually, but retested today and if failed once 14:57 Joubu cait: hum, weird 14:56 cait Joubu: fwiw - the tests always passed for me :( 14:47 drojf :) 14:46 Joubu I think it finished with "no matter, it works and is too cryptic to fix it" 14:45 Joubu drojf: I had a look at that problem, but don't remember the conclusion... 14:41 drojf does 14:41 drojf (not sure if it dies the same when you open a record where the fields are present already) 14:41 drojf is there a limit on the length of a name attribute for an input? it might matter in that case, if you got a lot of fields 14:39 drojf *does 14:39 drojf not really, i don't think it matters or dies any harm. i just wondered if its intended 14:39 drojf i have not looked at the code yet, just found it in firebug 14:39 oleonard I can put it on my to-do list if you'd like me to take a look. 14:38 drojf don't know, i just assumed its oleonard stuff :) 14:38 oleonard Does git blame me? 14:38 oleonard drojf: It doesn't sound like it's intentional. It's been ages since I've looked at that code though. 14:37 drojf tag_600_subfield_b_933551_7310504877785736 14:37 drojf tag_600_subfield_b_933551_73105048777 14:37 drojf tag_600_subfield_b_933551_731050 14:37 drojf oleonard: when i repeat a field in the cataloguing editor, the random numbers for field names don't get replaced, but concatenated. while i don't see a problem, i wonder if that is intentional or by accident? (we may get the same number again otherwise, in theory?) 14:27 khall mornin oleonard! 14:27 oleonard Hi khall 14:22 khall thanks! 14:21 cait wb khall :) 14:04 tcohen :-D 14:04 khall thanks! 14:04 tcohen khall: wb :-D 13:52 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 13:52 drojf @later tell bag the bywater demo on https://koha-community.org/demo/ is broken 12:37 tcohen hey! 12:37 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 12:36 tcohen morning! 12:16 kidclamp Always happens that way 12:16 Joubu but forgot to dump the DB before! 12:16 Joubu I've just managed to make them fail once 12:15 Joubu yes they also pass if it's uncommented :) 12:15 kidclamp and don't when it is uncommented? 12:15 Joubu kidclamp: yep but the tests pass when I comment it 12:15 Joubu that does not comfort me, I suspect an hidden bug somewhere 12:14 kidclamp The OldIssues test is for 'not borrowed since' 12:14 Joubu kidclamp: that's weird, they fail randomly 12:14 kidclamp Joubu - I keep poking those tests on 10612, have not been able to recreate 11:46 oleonard Hi #koha 09:36 magnuse nb-NO has new strings, at least 09:35 cait not sure if it was updated yet 09:25 drojf cait: so we are done already? 09:25 drojf hei magnuse and cait 09:25 drojf translation time ;) 09:23 Oak what time of the month? 09:23 Oak dang 09:22 magnuse gah, it's that time of the month again 09:16 Oak mveron++ 09:16 cait translate 09:14 Oak what did he do cait ? 09:08 cait mveron++ 09:07 Oak heya cait 09:06 cait morning magnuse and #koha 09:06 magnuse kia ora cait 08:51 eythian trace the tree upwards until you find a package marked critical or however that works 08:50 eythian see what package it is, and see what depends on it 08:50 drojf related question, how do i check if it is? :) 08:49 eythian at least, it is in ubuntu 08:49 eythian it's standard 08:48 drojf is lsb_release a standard debian thing or do i just happen to have that from testing stuff? 08:40 eythian yep :) 08:40 drojf yeah and that is probably a good thing ;) 08:39 eythian you can't, because you have no control over what sources a server has configured. 08:38 drojf yep but i really wondered about doing it for a dependency 08:38 eythian sure 08:38 eythian if it's a script doing it, that's OK 08:38 drojf we don't force LE, so making it a dependency while it is not available everywhere does not make sense 08:38 eythian oh right 08:37 drojf eythian: i forgot it's not a dependency atm. at installation you are asked about it if there is a candidate. i will make it use backports with -t jessie-backports in the case they are actually on jessie. 08:35 eythian also, many people won't have backports configured as a source anyway 08:35 eythian it would be better perhaps to put it in the koha repo instead. 08:34 eythian drojf: I'm pretty sure you can't do that 08:34 ashimema morning #koha 08:34 ashimema no cait yet today? 08:18 drojf eythian: could koha do something like "apt-get install -t jessie-backports letsencrypt" for a certain dependency? it seems like LE from backports complains about missing deps unless you tell debian to pull the deps from backports. it would be nice if people won't have to set the priority manually in /etc/apt/preferences 07:44 drojf one needed a lot of stuff 07:44 drojf catmandu-rdf i think 07:44 drojf no 07:44 drojf eythian: catmandu-sru was really nasty 07:43 Joubu drojf: no, I will update the files manually 07:43 eythian yep, catmandu gets quite the chain of modules going 07:42 drojf i wanted to build "a few" packages to try catmandu 1.0 in koha. i ended up building like 40 and don't even have all catmandu modules i want to have yet. if anyone wants to play/break their koha+es setup… https://apt.abunchofthings.net/ 07:40 Oak And attach the .patch file? 07:40 Oak what's the next step... login to bugzilla and make bug signed off, and add a useful comment. 07:39 Oak it created a .patch file I can see. 07:39 Oak what will this command do: git format-patch -s --subject-prefix='PATCH] [SIGNED-OFF' origin/master 07:38 magnuse heard about it here https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/383?autostart=false 07:38 magnuse anyone tried koha with cperl? said to be twice as fast as "regular" perl http://perl11.org/ 07:37 drojf Joubu: should i roll a package with the last patches? 07:36 magnuse Oak 07:29 drojf it was not intended 07:28 drojf oh sorry, i forgot 07:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Failed QA , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations 07:28 Joubu drojf: hi! Why did not you switch the status of bug 15303 back to needs QA? 07:22 Oak yeah :) now trying to make qa-test-tools work 07:22 drojf but good to hear it works! 07:22 drojf Oak: ah you are on a kohadevbox! i did not understand that 07:21 drojf hi Oak 07:21 Oak morning drojf 07:21 drojf morning 07:13 Oak Hello alex_a, gaetan_B 07:12 gaetan_B hello 07:04 alex_a bonjour 07:00 Oak magnuse 07:00 * magnuse waves 06:48 reiveune hello 06:42 wahanui niihau, Joubu 06:42 Joubu hello 06:36 Oak running prove t/ outputs stuff... and at many locations says "Couldn't open /etc/koha/sites/kohadev/koha-conf.xml" 06:18 Oak Do you remember how you solved it? 06:17 Oak wizzyrea, I'm having this issue http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2015-07-05#i_1698120 04:57 Oak :) 04:56 Francesca my cat is asleep on my feet 04:45 Oak cool 04:44 Francesca just uni work 04:43 Francesca whoops wasn't looking at my chat 04:07 Oak sup yourself? 04:07 Oak lots 04:06 Francesca fun 04:05 Oak playing with the git install using vagrant 04:04 Francesca sup 04:04 Francesca hey Oak 04:04 Oak hello Francesca :) 04:01 Francesca \o/ for fixing stuff 04:01 * Francesca waves 03:52 Oak heh 03:52 wizzyrea that was one of those "oh oh I know how to fix that" moments :) 03:52 Oak \o/ :) 03:52 wizzyrea \o/ 03:52 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 03:52 Oak @later tell drojf destroying vagrant vm and re-creating with webinstaller enabled in config worked! Issue re-solved. 03:51 Oak wizzyrea, destroying vagrant vm and re-creating with webinstaller enabled in config worked! 03:49 Oak magnuse 03:05 Oak Oh cool. I did not know. I'll check your github repository now. 03:03 wizzyrea (yes, I know I need to submit those patches but I've messed up somehow and have to untangle it all...) 03:02 wizzyrea (but that's not a requirement) 03:02 wizzyrea and a couple of other things 03:02 wizzyrea which has fixes for that 03:02 wizzyrea the other option is to clone devbox from my github 03:01 Oak :) 03:01 wizzyrea hi oak :) 03:01 Oak wizzyrea thank you! I'll try your solution now. 02:51 * Oak waves