Time Nick Message 03:08 wizzyrea man that question has been hanging all day 03:08 wizzyrea it's been driving me nuts1 03:08 wizzyrea ! 03:08 wizzyrea I keep expecting cbrannon to answer and NOTHING. 03:08 wizzyrea :) 05:45 * magnuse waves 05:47 * Francesca waves back 05:50 magnuse \o/ 05:50 magnuse @wunder boo 05:50 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on March 31, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 05:51 magnuse and fresh snow on the ground 06:38 Joubu hi 06:52 alex_a bonjour 06:52 wahanui que tal, alex_a 06:59 reiveune hello 06:59 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 07:16 cait morning #koha 07:52 magnuse kia ora cait 07:53 cait hi magnuse :) 07:55 magnuse wb Francesca 07:56 Francesca thanks 07:56 Francesca @wunder wlg 07:56 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (8:30 PM NZDT on March 31, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 08:01 cait hi Francesca :) 08:01 Francesca hi cait! 08:01 magnuse Francesca: wow, indian summer in nz? 08:02 Francesca its been fantastically wRM 08:02 Francesca warm 08:02 Francesca almost too hot some days 08:16 LibraryClaire morning #koha 08:18 magnuse hiya LibraryClaire 08:19 LibraryClaire hey magnuse :) 08:48 cait hey, it's LibraryClaire :) 08:52 LibraryClaire hi cait :) 09:26 benjamin Hi, anyone like to enlighten me on their setup of the new RFC Restful API with Swagger under Plack? seems I'm missing the entire `api` folder and running into `not found`. Installed v3.22.03 09:35 cait benjamin: hm maybe wait for tcohen or jajm 09:35 cait i have to pass on that one i am afraid 09:37 marcelr hi #koha 09:37 cait hi marcelr :) 09:37 marcelr hi cait 09:38 benjamin hi cait, no worries! Long time no see, by the way! Been off Koha for a while now, but now 100% in, and REST Api no.1 priority 09:39 cait it would probably be good to get some input there 09:40 cait benjamin: maybe try taking a look at bugzilla? 09:40 cait most of the discussion si taking place there 09:40 cait and some patches waiting for sign off it hink 09:40 benjamin good call, I'm on it! 09:40 cait i just tried a search for "rest api" seems to create a good list 09:44 matts Hello #koha ! 09:45 matts Do you know if there's a webservice in koha that allows to search biblio by title or is*n ? 09:45 cait SRU 09:45 cait is*n? 09:46 cait my coworker is rather fond of SRU for searching Koha - it seems to work well 09:46 matts ok... Is there some documentation about that ? 09:47 matts (issn/isbn) 09:47 cait http://manual.koha-community.org/3.22/en/sru.html 09:48 cait marcelr gave a talk on it once too :) http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/06/07/kohacon12-koha-and-sru/ 09:49 matts thx cait... Is it enabled by default ? 09:49 cait hm you might have to enable it 09:49 cait similar like z39.50 09:49 marcelr it is a parameter for koha-create in debian packages 09:51 matts marcelr, thanks. Can it be enabled on an existing koha install ? 09:51 marcelr manually in any case :) 09:52 cait i think probably have to uncomment in koha-conf.xml? 09:52 cait not sure if thereis more to it 09:52 marcelr just uncomment some lines in koha-conf and restart zebra 09:52 cait marcelr++ 09:53 matts okay, thx 10:01 drojf hi #koha 10:54 * magnuse waves to benjamin 11:00 cait hi #koha 11:15 magnuse hi cait and drojf 11:21 * benjamin waves back to magnuse 11:36 magnuse huh, if i want to say that patrons with more than x$ in fines are blocked from borrowing any more books, where do i configure it? 11:42 magnuse ah, noissuescharge 12:01 drojf hei magnuse and cait 12:17 drojf upgrading dsl from 10/1 to 50/10 was not a bad idea 12:18 drojf we'll see how long it takes until the 300gb/month cap makes me quit 12:45 benjamin jajm: if you're online, care to help with some REStful API under plack setup issues? 12:49 Joubu benjamin: might be better to shoot without asking ;) 12:54 benjamin heh, ok. Problem is, activating /api under plack and apache-shared-intranet-plack.conf seems to give only 404 any way I try, and 500 if trying to access /api/v1/swagger.json directly. Had to copy api folder from source into /usr/share/koha/api, since it is ignored in the Makefile.PL 12:58 Joubu benjamin: Have you uncommented the last part of the httpd? 13:01 benjamin joubu: meaning the mod_rewrite part with api? if so, yes. 13:02 tcohen bonjour 13:02 drojf while reading about the bywater coverflow plugin, i wonder if we want to have something like community supported plugins (that have their bugs dealt with via the koha bugzilla) or if that should in general be handled by the provider of the plugin 13:03 drojf hi tcohen. building a package for bug 16138, may have questions when testing. does the problem appear every time? 13:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16138 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Restart plack when rotating logfiles 13:03 Joubu benjamin: debian/templates/apache-shared-intranet-plack.conf: ProxyPass+ProxyPassReverse 13:03 bag I thought it should be handled by the plugin builder 13:04 Joubu benjamin: etc/koha-httpd.conf 253 # Uncomment this VirtualHost to enable API access through 13:04 tcohen drojf: cool 13:04 tcohen benjamin: you should ask jajm for help regarding that 13:04 Joubu tcohen: that's what he did :) 13:05 tcohen it is not clear to me that we should be using the CGI compatibility mode in plack for the API 13:05 drojf bag: that would spare us the trouble of deciding which plugins should be "community supported" ;) 13:05 tcohen i tried for the 3.22 release and didn't succeed the first day i tried, so i moved on to other stuff 13:05 tcohen but is worth making work ASAP so endpoints start to grow! 13:06 bag drojf: I think that is the bueaty of the plugins :) 13:06 drojf bag: on the other hand, what if i come up with a plugin idea, release it but don't have resources to work on it 13:06 drojf like, maintain it 13:06 benjamin tcohen: perhaps thats what I'm struggling with? what's the easiest way to use api under plack? 13:07 bag if it works for you then it works for you drojf :) 13:07 tcohen google for running mojolicious stuff in plack .-D 13:07 tcohen s/in/under/ 13:08 benjamin ah. so noone is using it yet, then, I suppose... :( 13:08 drojf bag: what i think might possibly happen is that with more plugins we will have more abandoned plugins that work on one version and not on another, but people asking about it on koha lists, because they think it is a part of koha 13:09 tcohen plugins should have a "version compatibility check" and maintainers should care to maintain that supported versions list 13:09 bag ideally yes 13:09 drojf tcohen: does the logrotate problem appear every time, or do i have to be lucky to reproduce it? 13:09 bag keyword “should" 13:10 tcohen drojf: the latter. I set a VM with 3.22+plack, it started failing at some point, and i was able to reproduce it by running logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf 13:11 tcohen bag: i was thinking the way wordpress does it, users tend to rank plugins also 13:11 francharb Hello all 13:12 drojf we will probably need a list of installed plugins for user support questions then? or do we have that already, on the about page or somewhere? 13:12 drojf hi francharb 13:13 drojf i have not really worked with koha plugins yet, sorry if the questions are stupid ;) 13:13 bag I don’t think we should have “community supported†plugins - if it’s some thing the community wants it should be in koha proper 13:14 bag plugins give you the flexibility to do something wild that wouldn’t really be useful wide spread 13:14 drojf i like wild :D 13:15 bag like - DELETE * from biblios; 13:15 bag :P 13:15 drojf still for user support one has to know what is running in a users koha? 13:16 drojf how would i know if an error is a bug in koha or in a plugin 13:16 drojf or are they restricted from doing certain things in koha? 13:17 bag the definition of user support could vary ;) 13:17 drojf they could change whatever they like, roight? 13:17 drojf i mean something like free community support on the mailing list 13:18 drojf if a user says "i have koha 16.05 and x is broken", i would have to know if that is a koha problem or maybe actually an error in a plugin 13:18 drojf if it's a client i know what they are running :P 13:18 drojf or at least i hope so. heh 13:18 bag not nessecary - I think the first thing is understanding the problem - if you can’t repeat it - then you don’t know the problem 13:19 bag we could always say - we can’t repeat it :) 13:19 drojf but that means spending time testing it 13:19 bag which is what we are all doing all the time ;) 13:20 drojf i'll postpone the problem until we have a gazillion of plugins and people start to annoy me :P 13:20 bag which I’m betting on will not happen :) “tons of plugins†13:21 tcohen i have a use case for exotic barcode calculation, that should be handled using a plugin, instead of the current "drop a .pl file somewhere" approach 13:21 drojf probably not, now that people will switch to "microservices" and using only bits and pieces of koha they will never actually see ;) 13:27 magnuse the disintegration of the ils... 13:28 drojf exciting, isn't it? 13:28 tcohen monolitic rules :-P 13:28 Joubu tcohen: QAing bug 16172 13:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16172 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , OAI Server tests broken by bug 15946 13:28 Joubu tcohen: I get t/db_dependent/OAI/Server.t .. 1/13 Can't locate object method "xslt" via package "Koha::OAI::Server::ListMetadataFormats" at Koha/OAI/Server/Repository.pm line 139. 13:28 Joubu with and without the patch 13:29 Joubu I guess I have missed something 13:29 drojf i'll have to make a price list for every single part of koha. wanna rent the patron module for a month? i'll give you a discount on special attribute fields 13:29 tcohen perl koha_perl_deps.pl 13:29 tcohen HTTP::OAI version missmatch? 13:29 Joubu no 13:29 Joubu I have just installed it 13:30 tcohen installed like sudo apt-get install koha-perldeps? 13:31 tcohen or just cpanm-ed the latest version? 13:31 Joubu installed like sudo apt-get install libhttp-oai-perl 13:32 Joubu 4.03 13:32 tcohen debian jessie? 13:32 Joubu yes 13:32 Joubu which version are you using? 13:33 * tcohen is launching kohadevbox:ansible 13:34 tcohen vagrant@kohadevbox:~$ apt-cache policy libhttp-oai-perl 13:34 tcohen libhttp-oai-perl: 13:34 tcohen Installed: 3.27-1 13:34 tcohen Candidate: 3.27-1 13:34 tcohen Version table: 13:34 tcohen *** 3.27-1 0 13:34 tcohen 500 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages 13:34 tcohen 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 13:35 drojf fwiw, i got 3.271 on jessie too 13:35 Joubu sorry, testing 13:35 drojf 3.27-1 13:35 Joubu I have upgraded some weeks ago, forgot that 13:35 Joubu :) 13:35 Joubu erk 13:35 tcohen Joubu: when I added the ->xslt call (unrelated to this bug) I was looking at the 4.03 docs 13:35 tcohen so I'm now worried 13:35 * Joubu is launching kohadevbox :) 13:36 drojf tcohen: you should add koha-plack to https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages 13:37 tcohen and certaintly koha-indexer! 13:37 drojf indeed 13:38 * tcohen goes write a patch so the indexer in ON by default 13:39 Joubu tcohen: where is ->xslt?? http://search.cpan.org/~timbrody/HTTP-OAI-3.28/lib/HTTP/OAI/Repository.pm 13:39 tcohen *hm, he discovered it* 13:42 tcohen http://search.cpan.org/~timbrody/HTTP-OAI-3.28/lib/HTTP/OAI/Response.pm 13:43 Joubu tcohen: yes but 135 $response = $class->new($self, %attr); 13:44 Joubu won't be a HTTP::OAI::Response but a Koha::OAI::Server::Repository, based on HTTP::OAI::Repository 13:45 drojf oh, koha 3.22.5 with plack feels much faster than what i remember from 3.22.0 with plack. did it get some of the cache fixes already? 13:45 Joubu it works on jessie, but I don't understand why 13:45 tcohen use base ("HTTP::OAI::Repository"); 13:45 tcohen drojf: yes! 13:46 Joubu drojf: 11998 13:46 Joubu tcohen: yes, and? HTTP::OAI::Repository does not have a ->xslt whatever the version 13:46 bag a few drojf 13:46 tcohen Joubu: all HTTP::OAI::{Verb} modules must be based on HTTP::OAI::Repository 13:46 bag more to come 13:48 tcohen Joubu: @ISA = qw( HTTP::OAI::Response ); 13:48 tcohen http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/TIMBRODY/HTTP-OAI-3.28/lib/HTTP/OAI/Identify.pm 13:48 drojf yeah awesome, huge improvement! :) 13:48 drojf i have to rebenchmark it on the raspi ;) 13:48 tcohen Joubu: damn, he refactored... 13:52 tcohen Joubu: in theory it should still work, because he made verbs inherit HTTP::OAI::Verb instead of HTTP::OAI::Response 13:53 tcohen but HTTP::OAI::Verb, ultimately returns an HTTP::OAI::Response object, that *still* implements xslt 13:53 Joubu drojf: they are some wild benchmarks on bug 16140 13:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16140 enhancement, P2, ---, jweaver, In Discussion , Only clear L1 cache when needed 13:53 tcohen http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/TIMBRODY/HTTP-OAI-4.03/lib/HTTP/OAI/Response.pm 13:53 Joubu there* 13:53 tcohen and http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/TIMBRODY/HTTP-OAI-4.03/lib/HTTP/OAI/Verb.pm 13:54 tcohen he managed to make the code unreadable 13:55 drojf tcohen: where did you get the errors for 16138? in the browser or some log file? 13:55 Joubu tcohen: so.... the conclusion is that your bug fix can go for now 13:55 tcohen drojf: browser 13:55 tcohen Internal server errror 13:55 tcohen in both OPAC and Intranet 13:56 tcohen Joubu: conclusion is that dcook was right about HTTP::OAI 4.03 being a threat for us 13:56 tcohen (i recall he wrote to the dev list about it) 13:57 drojf tcohen: ok. if i can't get that, i will just test for regression. the patch is small, so i think to verify that plack works after logrotate should be ok 13:57 tcohen drojf: it is straightforward, discussion is if we need to take the service down during logrotate 13:57 tcohen starman author/maintainer says yes 13:57 tcohen we could just find another way 13:58 tcohen to avoid it 13:58 tcohen this is a workaround only 13:58 tcohen (we do the same for the zebra server) 13:58 Joubu tcohen: could you please open a bug report? 13:58 tcohen (and apache) 13:58 bag hmm yeah dcook did say something about that 13:59 drojf what is the harm in restarting the service once a day? 13:59 tcohen i think it is once a week 14:00 drojf i mean, why bother thinking of something else if this way works 14:00 bag very cool https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16155 14:00 huginn 04Bug 16155: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Composite keys in TestBuilder and more 14:01 bag ah just missed marcel 14:01 tcohen drojf: we should be relying on Koha::Log4Perl instead, for instance 14:02 tcohen using the Plack::Middleware::Log4perl middleware 14:02 tcohen consistency + avoid the issue 14:04 Joubu cannot QA anything before tomorrow, I have reach the 100PQA for this month 14:04 Joubu will have to FQA now!! *gniarkgniarkgniark* 14:08 tcohen noooooo 14:09 * tcohen fears for 14598 14:10 cait bug 14598 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14598 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , itemtype is not set on statistics by C4::Circulation::AddReturn 14:10 cait Joubu: congrats ;) 14:10 cait tried to catch up, but too late 14:12 tcohen Joubu: don't fail it! I even took the time to have regression tests for it! 14:12 tcohen hahaha 14:12 Joubu tcohen: it's stuck! because of the tests failing 14:13 tcohen really ? I didn't notice 14:13 tcohen probably not my tests :-P 14:15 Joubu tcohen: bug 15599 14:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15599 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Unit tests output warnings 14:16 tcohen Joubu: oh, I wasn't aware of it 14:17 tcohen fair enough 14:17 Joubu tcohen: 14598#c63 is "We need to fix bug 15599 first." 14:21 Joubu see you #koha! 14:21 tcohen Joubu: 14:35 tcohen @later tell Joubu I'm not sure Kyle's patch is wrong (15599) because we are explicitly testing the use case in which it falls back to biblio-level itype. In other tests, we should build test data properly, not on this one, because we are explicitly testing a bad scenario 14:35 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 14:41 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 14:41 huginn drojf: Error: _ssl.c:475: The handshake operation timed out 14:41 drojf huh? 14:49 kidclamp morning 14:52 tcohen hi kidclamp 14:52 kidclamp hi tcohen 14:52 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 14:52 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Valle Escondido, Cordoba, Argentina, Córdoba, Argentina is 27.6°C (11:52 AM ART on March 31, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 14:53 tcohen @wunder berlin, germany 14:53 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 11.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on March 31, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 14:57 drojf @wunder thessaloniki 14:57 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 20.0°C (5:50 PM EEST on March 31, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 14:57 drojf @wunder when is kohacon starting, are we there yet? 14:57 huginn drojf: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found 15:16 reiveune bye 15:19 pianohacker hi 15:26 cait HI 15:26 cait oups 15:26 cait hi :) 15:37 pianohacker HI CAIT 15:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Updating the Schema files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b56520fa0db3285f3c44da2cb7f4eb7f9b2f836f> / DBrev updates for Bug 16007 - Correction of 'Remove columns branchcode, <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1f4707165f30b6afd2d545d32b69322cb5399f2> / Bug 16007: Simplify the DB entry <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a012f863ec56 16:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16172: fix OAI Server tests broken by bug 15946 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5f7f4072454e7c816d901de341bcc29401122ae> 17:16 gaetan_B bye 17:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15793 - UX of circulation patron search with long lists of returned borrowers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ebad0049311e94ae7e2466a17c1e88b8adc3c34> / Update Schema Bug 16004 - Replace items.new with items.new_status <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ba7039c33c1c8f3c46a765ab0f535251afd977f> / DBrev Bug 16004 - Replace items.new with items.new_status <ht 18:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: fixing DBrev Bug 16103 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7661629e9804cb3b0c1249a80bd5b797da2a0482> 18:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15323: Use fixtures for the active currency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a14e22d59343475ed6970b82b474a80e43d8e29> 18:59 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16163: Show message if there are no dictionary definitions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9548f14236a51b8b6e6d80d8a4547876cc2ead96> / Bug 11498 - Prevent bypassing sco timeout with print dialog <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f8037f642913d94ebec70413c6fd8cadfdf938d> / Bug 13132: Add confirm dialog for deleting reports from the reports toolbar <http://gi 19:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16092: Fix error dialog and introduce the Font Awesome icons when delete a branc... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d995613eaf22647aea860b411d1d0b10ddaf9149> / Bug 16152: Rename column to Actions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c9ce8ea51bf89970ce8ff33d25d5122392ab2b6> / Bug 16153: Adding "actions" class to Label Creator table actions so the buttons... <h 19:47 rangi hey aleisha_ 19:48 aleisha_ hi rangi 19:48 aleisha_ wfh today 19:48 rangi sweet as 19:51 * cait waves 19:51 cait sushi for dinner :D 19:55 aleisha_ yum! 19:55 cait yeah, best place in town :) 19:57 eythian rangi: do you have hashigo app notifications on, and did you just get one? 19:58 rangi hmm i dont have them turned on at the moment 19:58 eythian damn 19:59 eythian ibeardslee: how about you? 19:59 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: DBrev Bug 16070 - Empty (undef) system preferences may cause some issues <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=79fa6ec68a45a7112cbae763458381f9c53835c6> / Bug 16070: Add atomic update file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a987ab5f0da632fe0730a8029c07a403fa135ad> / Bug 16070: Default value for sysprefs should be an empty string <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ 20:06 eythian rangi: can you turn it on? I want to test some stuff that may depend on location. 20:06 ibeardslee no sorry don't have the notifications on 20:06 eythian you're both terrible people. 20:06 eythian ibeardslee: turn it on too for a bit please :) 20:07 ibeardslee please hold .. .. hmm I did (depends on location). 20:07 eythian hmm, did you get a notification 15 or so minutes ago? 20:07 eythian (I guess not, or you would have mentioned) 20:07 * ibeardslee turns gps on tablet on 20:08 ibeardslee yes 20:08 eythian yes to what? 20:08 ibeardslee yes I would have mentioned 20:08 eythian OK 20:08 ibeardslee .. also #equifoss instead of #koha? 20:09 eythian ibeardslee: rangi isn't there 20:09 ibeardslee ahh 20:09 rangi keep falling off 20:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16058: Delete individual news item from koha-news.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=09c7a9c3af3ac7cde90e6e055fe2a233d71466e9> 20:10 rangi its on now 20:22 drojf evening 20:22 drojf so we got only 3 ebsco talks at kohacon :P 20:23 cait oh 3? 20:23 wahanui 3 is not. 20:23 drojf 3 that are labelled ebsco 20:23 drojf maybe there is more 20:23 cait i was thinkingonly 2 20:24 drojf ebsco plugin, ebsco derheißescheiß microservices and somethingsomething a division of ebsco 20:25 rangi yeah, it was going to be 2 20:25 rangi but someone else pulled out 20:25 rangi alvets talk will be good 20:25 * cait should have send an abstract 20:25 drojf anyway i got a slot so it's gonna be the best kohacon ever. lol 20:25 rangi he has been to kohacon in argentina already too 20:25 rangi and the plugin is gplv3 :) 20:25 cait he recordedthesessions :) 20:25 bag my abstract - “don’t let me ramble - feed me coffee†20:26 cait drojf: you already had a kohacon presentation 20:26 rangi the other 2 are straight sales 20:26 drojf yes but that was forced so university would pay my trip ;) 20:26 rangi but im hoping they will talk about Koha more than they talk about their stuff 20:26 cait now you forced yourself... to pay your trip? 20:26 drojf i would have paid my trip anyway :) 20:27 drojf i'm a cool boss 20:27 eythian oh, I need to work out getting there 20:27 cait hehe 20:27 drojf eythian: if you come to berlin, there is a plane straight to thessaloniki ;) 20:28 eythian drojf: I'm seriously considering that 20:28 drojf it's the best option for everyone! 20:28 eythian even though there's a plane straight from here too, I'm sure :) 20:28 rangi get the 6.35am one .. 20:28 drojf :) 20:28 rangi then i wont be the only one on it 20:28 rangi :) 20:28 eythian haha 20:28 eythian what a terrible sounding idea 20:28 rangi hehe 20:28 cait rangi: wasn't it 6? 20:28 rangi yeah it changed 20:28 cait oh... to later 20:29 drojf or get the 16 one with the normal people not getting up at 4 at night :P 20:29 cait you are lucky :) 20:29 rangi i figure ill just stay at the pub until 4 20:29 rangi hehe 20:29 cait i really hope we will make it 20:29 * cait is kind of doubtful about the ariline 20:29 wizzyrea O.O 20:29 cait drojf: don't fly without me ok? 20:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15931: Replace relative path with /cgi-bin/koha/ <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6167cf012825fc51c5dc61c4c7224774a048d4ac> / Bug 15931: Removing link to records if authority is not used by any records <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=19f9673a3b7343992822c033e6699e8ff531fd20> 20:29 drojf cait: don't miss the plane then please 20:29 wizzyrea doubtful as in "it might fall out of the sky" or "it might fly to the wrong airport" or "it may not be on time" 20:30 wizzyrea none of these sound like great doubts to have about an airline... 20:30 drojf what is it? easyjet? they are cheap, but the planes fly, at least they did when i last used them 20:30 rangi mine is berlin air 20:31 wizzyrea thumbs up 20:31 eythian where are people staying in Thessaloniki? 20:31 drojf they are cheap too :P 20:31 cait i will try - but you are the host in berlin, so you will have to take care i don't miss it, right? 20:31 rangi eythian: hotel olympia 20:31 drojf eythian: hotel… something 20:31 drojf yeah that 20:31 wahanui yeah that is golded jcamins 20:31 eythian oh, I was talking to someone who is Greek and has been recommending Koha to libraries there. He might come too. 20:31 drojf the should give me the room for free for being the first one booking and now everybody goes there 20:31 rangi eythian: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon_2016:_Who_is_arriving_when 20:32 drojf bad luck, ABC hotel for having fake free wifi, or we would all have ended up at your place 20:33 rangi eythian: also this is close to the hotel and university in greece http://thehoppypub.gr/ 20:33 eythian drojf: where is your info on your hackfest thing? 20:33 eythian nice 20:33 rangi https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackfest_2016 20:33 drojf eythian: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackfest_2016 20:34 eythian tq 20:34 eythian OK, so Berlin is, what, a 10 minute bike from here? 20:35 drojf yup 20:35 eythian jesus those flight prices are cheap, I forget how things are here. 20:35 rangi yup 20:36 rangi i get into berlin at 6pm on 24/5 20:39 bag @later tell jajm - I think this one is for you -> https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16146 20:39 huginn bag: The operation succeeded. 20:39 huginn 04Bug 16146: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , [3.22] ACQ: Previewed records in Z39.50 search results are wrong 20:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14257: Follow-up - Add documentation, fix typo, fix test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a605225cc3116f5a244303106567340a8d1e1b0> / Bug 14257 - Add show_attributes to GetPatronInfo <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ead5b9c0e2d7030abfcef27aa8fb8fabf012f5b2> / Bug 14257 - Add show_attributes to GetPatronInfo <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git; 20:40 eythian drojf: what's the best station to come into if I train? Berlin Hbf? 20:40 eythian I presume everything transfers from there anyway? 20:41 drojf yes. you will usually have spandau as an alternative, that is far away from everything, don't get off there 20:42 eythian OK 20:42 eythian looks like about 6 hours by train, that's not bad. 20:42 drojf if you stay where rangi stays, you can take a direct bus (M41) 20:42 cait closer than from here :) 20:46 drojf we have a lot of community building stuff this kohacon 20:47 eythian https://owncloud.kallisti.net.nz/index.php/s/In9LhDHg1jRhSJa <-- I like the map, it's so ... details 20:47 eythian *detailed 20:48 drojf all the important stuff is there! 20:49 wizzyrea teehee 20:49 eythian I think it was just slow, it got there in the end 20:57 eythian €39 for a train, €81 if I want one I can change or cancel. That seems like an excessive markup. 21:00 drojf don't change or cancel. or book two 39€ tickets and use one, it's cheaper than the other one 21:01 drojf buying train tickets is like a lottery these days 21:08 eythian I can leave Centraal at 09:00 and arrive around 17:00, those are pretty reasonable times. 21:08 rangi i wonder what the best wanna-be award is? 21:09 eythian I'm just planning it to get leave etc. 21:11 drojf rangi: i was wondering that too 21:11 eythian y'know, I could just go on the Sunday, take one more day of leave, but have two full free days there. 21:11 eythian I might do that. 21:11 eythian Or even go on the Saturday. 21:11 eythian ? 21:12 cait eythian: i am in berlin monday... if you want to do sight seeing:) 21:12 cait rangi: yeah - me too 21:13 drojf cait brings all the sights to berlin. and takes them back home when she leaves ;) 21:13 cait hm? 21:13 cait oh gr. 21:13 eythian cait: count me in :) 21:13 eythian haha :) 21:22 * wizzyrea is a bit jealous of all of you being able to get together 21:27 drojf you should come :) 21:28 wizzyrea Believe me when I say I'd like to 21:28 wizzyrea there's this little problem of having the funds to do so (and other varying issues) 21:32 cait maybe we need to get some of tohse remote robot things... 21:34 drojf ? 21:34 cait i have no idea what they are called 21:35 wizzyrea haha I've seen those 21:36 drojf i will just assume you are not talking about sex toys and try not to ask about it 21:36 drojf damn 21:36 drojf alomst worked 21:36 drojf *almost 21:36 wizzyrea I have not seen those ones. 21:36 cait i was thinking of a robot conference participant 21:37 cait remote controlled moving around with camera on top? 21:37 wizzyrea ^ 21:37 drojf haha ok so we just stay at home/work on irc as usual but have boths gather at a conference? :D 21:37 drojf bots 21:38 wizzyrea http://www.smith.edu/news/robot-on-campus/ 21:38 wizzyrea this kind of thing 21:38 drojf a video conferencing segway? 21:39 cait i know it's not the same... but it would be kinda cool :) 21:39 wizzyrea http://perezhilton.com/2014-01-28-wedding-robots-livestream-officiate-bare-ring 21:39 drojf we could make them start pub fights and run through the city 21:40 drojf thessaloniki invaded by video conference alien things 21:40 wizzyrea that's the best article 21:40 wizzyrea er not the best article 21:40 drab hi, so I managed to rescue this failed old koha instance and restore the db on a latest install however they are having troubles with users not being able to login into the opac 21:40 drab I've tried to look at the databse and do some debugging, but I'm not a perl guy and the db is pretty complicated 21:40 bag melia and sam had those at their wedding 21:40 wizzyrea ^ that's who I was thinking of 21:40 drab as far as I can tell all users seem to be in the "borrowers" table. is that correct? 21:40 wizzyrea I was hoping to find the article that was about their wedding 21:40 wizzyrea yep 21:41 wizzyrea drab ^ 21:41 drab and on the web they are called patrons, ie there's no "borrowers" screen 21:41 bag could one of those robots sign off on ES too? 21:41 wizzyrea you have come across one of the major arguments in librarydom 21:41 drojf could another robot make it work before? 21:41 drab lol, ok, I won't go there then :) 21:41 wizzyrea "what do we call the people who use the library" 21:41 drab sounds like "how should we name our servers" 21:41 drojf and which dialect of english do we use in koha 21:41 wizzyrea only more contentious :) 21:42 drab heh 21:42 cait drab: passwords are stored encrypted 21:42 * bag thinks drojf authorites are too authoritive 21:42 wizzyrea drojf: I'd argue that this problem is well beyond inglish 21:42 wizzyrea english* (geez) 21:42 drab engrish pls 21:42 bag heh 21:42 wizzyrea the dialect thing is a symptom of the "what do we call the people who use the library" argument 21:43 bag just kidding drojf 21:43 cait drab: what is the problem they experience? 21:43 wizzyrea but drab, you are right 21:43 drojf true. once we are full ebsco they will be clients 21:43 bag drojf++ 21:43 drab so for some reason a user in the borrowers table can log into the sco for self checkout, but not in the opac 21:43 cait can only patrons not log in or staff too? 21:43 drab cait: ^^ 21:43 wizzyrea drab: are you running any translations? 21:43 drab but I thought there's only one user so don't understand why login would succeed in one place and fail in the other 21:43 drojf or maybe they are partners, who knows 21:44 drab however a newly create used can log into both places just fine 21:44 * drojf wants to make another snarky ebsco remark before bed 21:44 wizzyrea drab: what version did you come from? 21:44 drab does the opac check for something else besides usedid/password in the borrowers table? 21:45 cait cardnumber an dpassword should work too 21:45 drojf bag: did anything happen on the authorities front? i did not spend much time on the bug tracker but i think i would have gotten an email if something had happened 21:45 drojf no pressure, just asking :P 21:45 bag just rebased 21:45 bag nick is back - so I’m asking him to test but he’s busy 21:45 bag tomorrow hopefully tomorrow I can get him to test the auths again 21:46 drab wizzyrea: 3.12 iirc 21:48 drab is there a way I can enable debugging somehow to see what's going on when I try to login? 21:50 drab also, a related but slight diff question: I'm trying to help them bulk add a bunch of kids to the borrowers/patrons, can I just write something up that does inserts into the borrowers table? 21:50 drab or are there other relationshisp I should be aware of that need to match or stuff won't work? 21:50 wizzyrea there's a tool 21:50 wizzyrea to import patrons 21:50 wizzyrea tools -> Import patrons 21:50 drab oh, I'll check that out, thanks 21:52 drojf i was wondering, what happens if i got password hashes only in an old database and want to import patrons? 21:52 drab was about to ask that since that's what I got 21:53 eythian hashes should be backwards compatible 21:53 eythian though you'd have to directly insert them, the importer expects plaintext 21:54 drojf any reason not to have a field for pw hash in the importer? (besides 'nobody did it')? 21:57 eythian it's rare to find things that will export with the same parameters that Koha requires, I expect. 21:57 eythian so, little call for it. 21:58 eythian In all the migrations I've done, I never saw one system (IIRC) that didn't have plaintext passwords. 21:58 cait same here 22:01 eythian it's slightly terrifying, albeit convenient. 22:01 drojf i have seen one with only hashes a while ago 22:40 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15889: LDAP authentication: Only update mapped attributes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c74678a1d239aaf91906039ccb3db940df4a0b41> 23:02 drojf good night #koha 23:26 pianohacker rangi: do you have any idea why the strip-empty-params (RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} (.*?)(?:[A-Za-z0-9_-]+)=&(.*) / RewriteRule (.+) $1?%1%2 [N,R,NE]) crept into the apache config? 23:27 rangi yeah it was a joshua thing there were other bits to go with it, basically rewrote /search/ to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl .. or something like that, it should probably get ripped out I doubt anyone is using it 23:28 pianohacker rangi: cool, that sounds about right. Thanks for confirming 23:43 drab https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#Database-related 23:43 drab koha-reset-passwd instancename username <--- this is talking about a borrower, right? 23:45 rangi yes 23:46 drab thanks 23:57 wizzyrea rangi++ koha-preferences is kinda win.