Time Nick Message 00:11 wizzyrea hi Francesca 00:14 Francesca hey wizzyrea 01:02 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm reading a fantastic book on French pastry. 01:03 jcamins Art of French Pastry by Jacquy Pfeiffer. 01:07 wizzyrea oooh that sounds nice 01:09 jcamins Super technique-oriented. 01:50 * Francesca is falling asleep 07:29 Joubu O/ 07:31 reiveune hello 07:59 alex_a bonjour 08:24 wizzyrea_ morning europe 08:33 * cait sends Joubu cookies 08:33 * Joubu eats all of them 08:33 cait energy for all the bug hunting 08:47 LibraryClaire morning #koha 09:18 reza how can I change all the borrowers notification setting? I don't want them to receive the check-in and check-out notification 09:34 Joubu reza: have a look at misc/maintenance/borrowers-force-messaging-defaults 09:35 sophie_m oh, joubu, you make my day :) 09:35 Joubu sophie_m: ? :) 09:36 sophie_m I didn't know this script, it will be very useful for me Joubu 09:36 Joubu sophie_m: it's a very old script! 09:39 sophie_m koha is always full of surprise for me :) 10:06 gaetan_B hello 11:36 Joubu @later tell oleonard I would love to get your opinion on bug 15119 :) 11:36 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 12:08 Joubu @later tell oleonard, could you that confirm bug 15993 is ok (dropdown menu for 2 entries: delete + edit). Or should we have at least 3 to create a dropdown? 12:08 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 12:20 drojf hi #koha 12:25 cait i am pro 3 12:25 cait Joubu: i think i'd like having buttons for 2 and only a dro down for 3, because of the extra click 12:25 tcohen morning 12:25 cait you didn't ask me ... but.... :) 12:26 Joubu erk 12:26 cait morning tcohen :) 12:26 Joubu I have passed qa several patches this morning :-/ 12:26 tcohen Joubu: I'll try to follow your example 12:26 cait Joubu: it's what oleonard suggested on one of those many bugs - i failed to locate the one last night where he suggestd it 12:27 Joubu tcohen: my example? 12:27 tcohen working on QA? 12:27 Joubu cait: ok I will put them in discussion, waiting for a consensus 12:27 tcohen working hard 12:27 tcohen ? 12:27 tcohen :-D 12:27 Joubu tcohen: yes! :) 12:27 tcohen i will QA mtompset patches first 12:28 Joubu It's a bit scary today, I QA a patch and find a bug in master... 12:28 tcohen he worked a lot on passing the tests I provided 12:28 tcohen hm, yes 12:28 tcohen i found a bug in the sitemapper 12:30 JesseDhammu hello 12:30 JesseDhammu i need some help with koha Marc import 12:31 JesseDhammu i have imported my data from marc file, only bibliographic records. 12:31 JesseDhammu but now in cataloge i see the records dose not have any item associated. no Call number and No Barcode number. 12:31 JesseDhammu how to do the rest of the work ..?? 12:32 Joubu @oleonard just put 15993, 15990, 15989 and 15995 in discussion. Either we go for the dropdown, or we add 2 bootstrap buttons 12:32 huginn Joubu: I've exhausted my database of quotes 12:32 Joubu erk 12:32 Joubu @later tell oleonard just put 15993, 15990, 15989 and 15995 in discussion. Either we go for the dropdown, or we add 2 bootstrap buttons 12:32 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 12:32 Joubu @later tell oleonard sorry for spamming you :D 12:32 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 12:33 Joubu JesseDhammu: you must check the "import items" options to import items 12:33 JesseDhammu ok 12:34 JesseDhammu so do i need to upload the same mrc file for importing the items ..? 12:35 Joubu If it's a new install, it's certainly better to restart from scratch 12:35 JesseDhammu Joubu: and where is the import items option, in the tools menu or in administration ..? 12:36 Joubu on tools/stage-marc-import.pl, you upload your mrc file, then you will have options for check/select 12:38 JesseDhammu Joubu: what is the diffrence between importing bibliographic records and importing Authority records .. 12:39 tcohen JesseDhammu: you need to code the items information as documented on the wiki, on repeatable 952 fields for each item 12:39 tcohen and do the import 12:40 tcohen if you have a unique value on the 001 field 12:40 tcohen you can re-import the same file, and apply a matching rule so data is not duplicated 12:41 JesseDhammu tcohen: i exported the data from CDSISIS 12:41 * tcohen been there 12:41 JesseDhammu and while importing i have checked check and import item record data 12:41 JesseDhammu but it dosent work 12:42 tcohen you should run the command yaz-marcdump file.mrc 12:42 tcohen grab a sample record 12:42 tcohen and paste it in http://paste.koha-community.org so we can help you 12:46 oleonard Hi #koha 12:46 marcelr hi #koha 12:47 pastebot "JesseDhammu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "CSSSC sample records" (41 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/329 12:48 tcohen hi marcelr oleonard 12:48 JesseDhammu tcohen: just pasted 2 sample records 12:48 marcelr hi tcohen oleonard 12:49 tcohen JesseDhammu: I don't see any 952 field 12:49 tcohen holdings? 12:49 tcohen holdings fields? 12:50 tcohen https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 12:50 tcohen follow that guide to build your holdings fields 12:50 tcohen notice there are some mandatory subfields 12:50 JesseDhammu so it means there is some missing data in the exported file from CDSISIS 12:51 tcohen yes 12:51 tcohen well, maybe 12:51 tcohen maybe you have most of the data there, in some non-standard fields 12:51 JesseDhammu ok ,, ill try to export the data again, with 952 field, which could contain, call number, barcode, and item type details .. 12:51 tcohen and you need to put it all together into 952 fields 12:51 tcohen exactly 12:52 JesseDhammu and if i do that and then import the data on koha, would it automatically associate the item with the record..?? 12:53 JesseDhammu tcohen: thanks, ill check it and will let you know if anything happens 12:53 JesseDhammu thank you very much 13:17 marcelr oleonard: most patches of bug 15084 have been pushed already; see the comments 13:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15084 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Move the currency related code to Koha::Acquisition::Currenc[y|ies] 13:18 oleonard marcelr: The status of the bug was "passed qa" before I changed it. 13:18 marcelr yes and that is correct 13:18 marcelr it still needs rm attention 13:19 marcelr i guess 15962 can be applied immediately 13:22 oleonard Should the pushed patches have been obsoleted? 13:27 marcelr oleonard: they probably could have been? depends on what RMaints will do or not do with a bug report 13:28 marcelr hopefully this is an exception; it was pushed but needed several repairs after that 13:32 marcelr Joubu: is there any overlap ? 13:33 Joubu marcelr: overlap with what? 13:33 marcelr these acq reports you mentioned 13:33 Joubu yes completely 13:34 marcelr i will try to look at them in a next qa session 13:34 Joubu actually I won't produce code to the acq module until these 2 reports are pushed 13:34 marcelr there is also another one/ 13:34 marcelr 13324? 13:35 bag morning 13:35 Joubu https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=13323 13:36 marcelr hi bag 13:36 bag yes I’m still working on 15084 (it’s on my todo list :) 13:36 marcelr hope that it is the last one :) 13:36 bag hi marcelr 13:37 bag it’s looking like it is and good find on that FK 13:37 bag thanks! 13:37 bag marcelr++ 13:37 marcelr np 13:37 tcohen morning bag 13:37 bag morning tcohen 13:39 oleonard You're up early bag 13:39 marcelr Joubu: katrin once started qaing bug 13321; i must have hoped that she would continue.. 13:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Tax and prices calculation need to be fixed 13:40 bag I sure am oleonard - couldn’t sleep so why not work ;) 13:40 tcohen i think everyone always wants to fix tax rates 13:41 Joubu tcohen: everybody wants but not when the patches are ready to test 13:42 marcelr tcohen: if you want to qa tax rates, please do so :) 13:43 tcohen no! I meant that i'd be great that i could fix tax rates so they fit my monthly budget :-P 13:43 marcelr :) 13:44 bag heh 13:51 Joubu have to run, see you #koha 13:52 * cait sendsmore cookies to tcohen, Joubu and marcelr 13:53 marcelr cait++ 13:53 bag nice 13:54 bag so cookies from here too tcohen Joubu and marcelr 13:57 marcelr nothing better than a good breakfast bag 14:46 cait looks like NateC is creating some noise on twitter :) 14:48 nengard yup!!! 14:48 nengard it's awesome 14:48 nengard https://twitter.com/hashtag/cildc?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash 14:48 nengard it's the CIL keynote panel he's on 14:50 bag yes cait :) 15:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15084 - Update schema files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=82c4fd42ce22a421324a17a4908011d68189c1c4> / DBRev Bug 15084 - Move the currency related code to <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=361ee8beabc6fbb1ffd37c12e05b5394e527a442> / Bug 15084: [QA Follow-up] Correct field length of currency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0 15:45 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15988: Moving authority types actions into a drop-down menu <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b648e8c8bf0fc0f851931eba60c7692f6b0ee726> 15:52 oleonard Quick, someone run a "how to sign off patches" workshop and take advantage of all my trivial patches. 15:53 nengard ooooo 15:53 nengard hehe 15:57 bag go for it nengard :D 16:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15979 - Use Font Awesome icons subscription deletion confirmation dialog <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a234d27cbe6e0c19c135e13b3ecc86fe5b1bfdcb> 16:15 pianohacker hi 16:15 pianohacker Joubu: around? 16:22 bag he took off a bit ago pianohacker 16:22 pianohacker dammit, constant missed connections 16:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15982 - Serials numbering patterns can be deleted without warning <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6179f04c8afcbc965756cf7daea039be986727d7> 16:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15981 - Serials frequencies can be deleted without warning <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e82b8db94ee24ebd49541c25a6dac55cb8d543c> 16:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15994: Adding font awesome icons to Funds actions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e9143e214b31dfb52c784029ad98c40af7584b4> 17:07 oleonard patroncards/home.pl says flagsrequired => { catalogue => 1 }, but tools-home.tt checks CAN_user_tools_label_creator 17:07 oleonard patroncards/add_user_search.pl says flagsrequired => { serials => 'routing' } ! 17:08 oleonard That must be a copy-and-paste error. 17:12 bag ah seems like it 17:21 oleonard nengard++ 17:22 oleonard nengard thanks for Bug 16030, you beat me to it. 17:22 nengard :) 17:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16030 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Automatic item modifications by age missing from admin sidebar 18:22 drojf evening 18:22 drojf meeting in 1.5 hours? 18:27 drojf i added some line breaks to the fundraising wiki page. i hope that#s ok 18:31 bag yup :) 19:01 drojf @wunder rome 19:01 huginn drojf: Error: No such location could be found. 19:01 drojf @wunder rome, italy 19:01 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Largo di Torre Argentina, Roma, Italy is 10.4°C (7:53 PM CET on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 19:02 tcohen it's already burnt dorjf 19:02 drojf heh 19:02 drojf needs more warm 19:02 oleonard @wunder rome, GA 19:02 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Oak Hill & The Martha Berry Museum, Rome, Georgia is 26.8°C (1:56 PM EST on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 19:03 oleonard @wunder rome, NY 19:03 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in E. Garden, Rome, New York is 24.1°C (2:02 PM EST on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 19:03 oleonard @wunder rome, OH 19:03 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Roaming Shores - Beach 2 Cove, Roaming Shores, Ohio is 20.2°C (2:03 PM EST on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 19:03 drojf there is a lot of romes 19:03 oleonard huginn I think you spelled "rome" wrong on that last one :P 19:03 huginn oleonard: I suck 19:10 drojf i ate too much icecream and now i'm cold. life is complicated 19:11 drojf @wunder thessaloniki 19:11 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 11.0°C (8:50 PM EET on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 19:12 oleonard @wunder 45701 19:12 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 24.1°C (2:11 PM EST on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 19:12 oleonard Crazy warm here. 19:13 drojf nice 19:16 tcohen @wunder nice 19:16 huginn tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. 19:16 tcohen @wunder nice, france 19:16 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Nice, France is 9.0°C (8:00 PM CET on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising). 19:16 tcohen brrr 19:17 tcohen drojf: not a good idea 19:19 oleonard Quotes uploader doesn't work for me. 19:22 rangi morning 19:22 oleonard Hi rangi 19:22 tcohen hi rangi 19:23 tcohen later #koha 19:24 rangi cya tcohen 19:24 drojf hi rangi 19:26 bag hi rangi 19:30 rangi is it the meeting in 30 mins? 19:31 bag yes 19:31 * oleonard will leave just then, offers his votes to anyone who wants them 19:32 oleonard Ugh... git blames ME! 19:33 oleonard ...for having broken the quotes uploader in 2013. That's a whole lotta quotes not getting uploaded, ever. 19:34 * oleonard subconsciously broke the quotes uploader on purpose 19:34 rangi heh 19:36 oleonard - float : left; 19:36 oleonard Boom, quotes uploads are broken for 3 years. 19:37 rangi easy as that 19:37 rangi I guess it's not a super widely used feature 19:37 oleonard My most nefarious scheme to date. 19:37 rangi heh 19:37 rangi ok, rebasing elasticsearch 19:37 oleonard Or else everyone ignored the fact that there was no preview of the upload and just clicked "Save quotes" 19:38 rangi more likely 19:40 rangi this is gonna take a bit, because of Koha::ItemType and Koha::ItemTypes 19:40 rangi but once that is reconciled, the rest should rebase fine 19:43 rangi Koha::Object doesn't have accessors built in eh? 19:45 rangi that kinda sux 19:47 * cait waves 19:52 rangi oh yes it does 19:52 rangi when you drill down 19:53 rangi well Koha::Database does 19:56 BobB good morning 19:56 oleonard Sorry to have to miss the meeting. I hope it is productive. 19:56 bag morning BobB 19:56 oleonard Bye all 19:56 talljoy hiya BobB 19:57 BobB hi bag, talljoy 19:59 cait everyone ready? :) 19:59 barton afternoon #koha! 19:59 ikourmou hello! 19:59 barton cait: I'm here with bells on. 20:00 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 20:00 cait ok, let's get this started 20:00 cait #startmeeting Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016 20:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Mar 9 20:00:42 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'genereal_irc_meeting_9_march_2016' 20:00 cait #topic Introductions 20:00 barton #info barton, BWS, Louisville KY, USA 20:00 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett 20:00 talljoy #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions 20:00 cait please introduce yourself using #info 20:01 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 20:01 cait .. and where is wahanui? 20:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 20:01 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater 20:01 cait today's agenda is 20:01 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_9_March_2016 20:01 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Sydney Australia 20:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 20:01 ikourmou #info Giannis Kourmoulis, AUTh, Thessaloniki, Greece 20:02 cait ok, let's move on in a moment 20:02 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, ESI, USA 20:02 cait ... or two 20:02 cait ok, moving on 20:02 cait #topic Announcement 20:02 cait hm...s 20:03 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm Univ 20:03 cait bag? 20:03 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst 20:03 bag RM update 20:03 bag Goal one is to maintain a low PQA queue - so daily attention 20:03 bag I am learning tons! Constantly adjusting my workflow. I know there are some things I've missed so making sure that the workflow adjusts to not miss things 20:04 bag I was under the wrong assumption with packages (my mistake) and have adjusted my workflow. 20:04 bag I understand that it shouldn't be all new packages will be created and I need to do a better job of checking if they are in debian already and if not - start a discussion for alternative methods. I will be seeking help on any that come up until I feel I've mastered that part. 20:04 bag Again I am learning :) 20:05 * bag prepared his notes ahead of time (so it’s copy and paste) I’ll slow down to give everyone a chance to read 20:05 bag Schema updates. I know there are a few problems there - khall and I will be working on that to fix those. That has been the second weakest part of my workflow and I'm adjusting that and getting better. 20:05 bag As always - please don't hesitate to talk to me - point out anything you think I am missing. 20:05 bag Elastic search branch - is currently being rebased on master by rangi (there is a change in the Koha::ItemType that needs to be adjusted) Once that is caught up - I will add a weekly rebase to that on master until we are able to move that forward into Koha. 20:05 bag thank you rangi 20:06 rangi bout halfway there 20:06 bag sweet 20:06 rangi joubu also expressed desire to work on ES too, so you might want to touch base with him 20:06 bag yes his patch needs rebase (looking for number one sec) 20:07 bag https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14899 20:07 huginn 04Bug 14899: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Mapping configuration page for Elastic search 20:07 cait #info Elastic search branch is being rebased 20:07 cait #info Problems with Schema updates are being worked on 20:09 cait anything else? 20:09 bag That’s it from me - unless anyone has any questions 20:09 rangi oh, I just finished the rebase :) 20:09 mtompset So your first comment was like about URL::Encode and the like? 20:10 bag ? 20:10 thd bag: Is the koha Debian repository still working for serving packages? 20:10 cait #info Elastic search rebase --- done 20:11 mtompset or is URL::Encode in Debian, but not currently in Koha? ... nevermnd. 20:11 bag yes URL::Encode - there is a suggestion on how to work with packages that are already in koha (I posted the comment to the bug) 20:11 * mtompset nods. 20:12 cait mtompset: hm tried to install it on Ubuntu - but didn't find it 20:12 cait i think there might be ways around using that specific one? 20:12 bag that’s a good example of a place that I need to communicate a bit more :) 20:12 bag added that to my workflow 20:12 nengard #info Nicole Engard, ByWater 20:12 mtompset Which is what bag was getting at, I think. :) 20:13 bag yes URL::Encode is not in debian 20:14 bag ok cait - I think we are ready to move on 20:14 cait ok 20:14 cait #topic Update on Releases 20:15 cait bag again? ;) 20:15 cait or one of the rmaints? 20:15 cait jajm, fredericd ? 20:16 cait ok 20:16 cait movin gon then again 20:16 cait #topic GBSD 20:16 cait I was thinking... i tmight be time for another GBSD 20:17 cait If people share that opinion, the next question would be about a possible date 20:17 bag yay! 20:17 cait some people prefer a Friday 20:17 rangi friday for you is saturday for me 20:17 cait in theory, gbsd starts your friday 20:17 rangi yep, but i wont be updating the scoreboard etc on the saturday is all im saying 20:17 cait yeah true 20:18 cait so thatwould be an argument for maybe use another day 20:18 cait also one of the next fridays is a public holiday in lots of countries 20:19 cait maybe a thursday? 20:19 cait 24th? 20:20 cait do i need to bribe the audience with cookies? :) 20:20 rangi heh 20:20 gmcharlt Cookies over IRC? 20:20 rangi any day with sufficient warning is ok for me 20:20 rangi be nice to make it a biggish one, and do a blog post about it 20:20 cait gmcharlt: no calories:) 20:21 gmcharlt good point :) 20:21 bag 24th looks good 20:21 cait so quiet... 20:22 cait i#d add a page tothe wiki and send an email about it 20:22 rangi thanks 20:22 rangi 24th is fine 20:22 cait i hope everyone quiet doesn't mean i will be the only one present ;) 20:22 BobB its the day before Easter 20:22 cait ah 20:22 cait here friday is the holiday 20:22 barton cait -- not to worry :-) 20:23 BobB here too 20:23 cait BobB: so better the week after? 20:23 cait so is that good or bad? 20:23 drojf i though that would be good 20:23 BobB i'm not sure what affect it would have 20:23 drojf less clients to urgently deal with ;) 20:23 BobB but week after is ok 20:23 BobB more time to promote it maybe 20:24 cait the weekafter a friday would work i think 20:24 cait april 1st? 20:24 cait might just be dangerous becauseof the jokes :) 20:24 drojf didn't we just say friday is bad? 20:24 bag :) 20:24 mtompset I thought we said no fridays. 20:24 drojf maybe i am not following 20:24 barton cait: I couldn't think of a better time... 20:24 BobB Thu 31 is ok 20:24 cait aaahsorry 20:24 cait it's me 20:24 drojf i liked the 24th 20:24 drojf i'll do my own then 20:25 mtompset drojf++ # for wanting to do his own GBSD. 20:25 cait ok, quick vote? thursday 31st or thursday 24th 20:25 drojf will be a challenge to get me global :D 20:25 cait and then i will moveon to the next topic, promise :) 20:25 mtompset drojf: Do it for 48 hours straight no sleep, then it is global. ;) 20:26 mtompset 31 20:26 drojf i am too old for that :) 20:26 drojf 24 20:26 mtompset I'm for 31. :) 20:26 bag 24 20:26 * gmcharlt makes note to self - write script to automatically lock out a BZ account if it has been continuously used for more than 12 hours ;) 20:26 barton 24 20:26 * gmcharlt is neutral on 24/31 20:26 cait neutral too 20:27 barton ... and then follow drojf's lead on the 31st, if that's better. 20:27 cait barton: is that a 31 or 24 for you? 20:27 BobB i'm prolly neutral too 20:27 mtompset Ooooo... back to back GBSD's. 20:27 cait you people make it hard tocount :) 20:27 BobB ok, 31 20:27 barton cait: 24 20:27 cait ok 20:28 cait #agreed next GBSD to be on March 24th 20:28 BobB barton you cancelled my vote :) 20:28 cait #action cait to send an e-mail about GBSD 20:28 cait #topic Discussion on proposing a new version numbering for Koha 20:28 mtompset Wait... it looked like a tie. 20:28 cait that was long to type... 20:29 bag that was me that added that to the agenda 20:29 rangi everyone who voted needs to signoff at least 3 patches 20:29 rangi </new rule> 20:29 cait i think it was 3-2 20:29 mtompset +1 to that. :) 20:29 bag #info everyone who voted needs to signoff at least 3 patches 20:29 gmcharlt fence-sitters need to do 6 for being indecisive ;) 20:29 mtompset Oh you are right. 20:29 drojf and everyone who voted has to signoff one crypto patch 20:30 rangi heh 20:30 bag I’d like to propose that the next release of koha be - 16.05 20:30 * mtompset cheers, "Here! Here! gmcharlt!" 20:30 bag koha has been on 3.x for about 6 years now 20:30 drojf that sounds ugly 20:30 drojf or, looks 20:30 rangi i like the date based idea 20:30 talljoy you mean as in the year/month? 20:30 bag following a yy.mm numbering going forward 20:30 talljoy i like that 20:30 drojf and it lacks chocolate/cookie related stuff 20:31 talljoy there is that... 20:31 rangi it has a big advantage of people seeing they are on the 12.05 release 20:31 BobB yes indded 20:31 cait #info Suggestion: use a data based versioning for next release - 16.05 20:31 rangi drojf: they can still have code names too ;) 20:31 cait will make it a lot easier to tell them just how old it really is :) 20:32 talljoy YES! 20:32 bag the numbering has caused problems for us - when we’ve been behind a release or two - and the bug says pushed to master 20:32 rangi yeah, at the moment i have to go look it up ;) 20:32 drojf i like the date based too, because you can immediately see how ancient your version is (well, you can't if you stay on 308 forever). i only don't like 16, i think. don't take it too seriously 20:32 cait bag: hm but why is that a problem with the numbering? 20:32 cait we'd still have master :) 20:33 bag ah yes - but I changed the message in the pushed to master - it now says the time of when it *should* be in the release 20:33 cait drojf: you have an aversion against the number 16? 20:33 rangi 16.05 The source awakens 20:33 drojf i am 16 dysphoric, or what kids call it these days 20:33 drojf 17.11 looks cool on the other hand 20:34 mtompset So... what is expected to be 3.24.0 is going to be 16.05.0? 20:34 bag yes it does more so than 3.30 20:34 bag yes mtompset 20:34 mtompset And each month 16.mm? 20:34 drojf no 3.33? :( 20:34 drojf :P 20:34 mtompset What about oldstable? 16.05.{revision}? 20:34 * gmcharlt has no object to 16.05 (and I've double-checked that it won't cause any problems with Debian package version number comparisons) 20:34 gmcharlt *objection 20:35 cait mtompset: only every 6 months 20:35 drojf will it be 16.05.1 or 16.06 then in the next month? 20:35 rangi drojf: .01 i think 20:35 cait i'd prefer the first i think 20:35 bag ok so I presented the idea. I was thinking we’d get it out there and then maybe vote at the next meeting 20:35 bag 16.05.01 20:35 drojf rangi: the other way is probably too confusing 20:35 rangi yeah 20:35 drojf with several supported branches and stuff 20:35 cait #info bugfix releases would be numbered 16.05.1 ... 20:35 gmcharlt might I suggest that (at least this time around) we make the vote itself be strictly yes/no? 20:36 cait gmcharlt++ 20:36 rangi +1 20:36 mtompset So, yy.mm(of release).{realease number}? 20:36 gmcharlt i.e., choice between 16.05.x or 3.24.x, but intentionally *not* opening floor to alternatives 20:36 cait ah 20:36 cait i guess that would make things a lot easier 20:36 bag yes 20:37 mtompset Yes, stop 3.x branch. Yes, yy.mm use. 20:37 gmcharlt my proposal is a little selfish, to be clear: I have a strong aversion to version numbering debates :) 20:37 mtompset Still need clarification of intermediate fixes. 20:37 drojf gmcharlt: yes lets get it over with as long as it seems we agree 20:38 drojf or we spend months inventing other schemes 20:38 gmcharlt http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/darth-vaders-noooooooooooo 20:38 bag ok vote now - or this motion passes for the next agenda “choice between 16.05.x or 3.24.x, but intentionally *not* opening floor to alternatives†20:39 thd bag: Would there be a single for a nonstable build? 20:39 thd s/single/signifier/ 20:39 cait hm 20:40 gmcharlt 17.00 / 17.06, perhaps 20:40 drojf so the vote could just be as simple as "switch to 16.05 style numberin? yes/no" 20:40 mtompset That's the part that confused me too, thd. 20:40 cait gmcharlt: why 00 06? 20:40 cait sorry,not getting it 20:40 mtompset right now even stable, odd unstable. 20:40 gmcharlt 16.05 == May release; 16.00 == stuff prior to May, i.e., unstable 20:41 drojf i'd say thats a detail that can easily be decided on once we vote for the general change 20:41 bag cait 00 is after 11 20:41 bag ahh.. there gmcharlt said it better 20:41 drojf gmcharlt: we have two 16 releases and need to prior-versions 20:41 cait ahok 20:41 cait sorry:) 20:41 gmcharlt drojf: right - 16.00 (unstable) 16.05 (stable) 16.06 (unstable again) 16.11 (stable) 20:41 drojf i'd say 16.04, 16.05 and 16.10 and 16.11. or whatever else 20:41 cait #info unstable /in development could be 17.00 / 17.06 20:41 drojf ok that is kind of the same in reverse 20:42 gmcharlt but more broadly, I agree with drojf that that's a detail we can punt on 20:42 drojf i'd say let the RM decide 20:42 rangi we can call it spaghetti if we want for unstable 20:42 thd Additionally, if an actual release date slips a little does it signify the wrong thing in versioning or would date use be fudged for an easily understood convention not strictly tied to date? 20:42 rangi no one except us devs should be using it 20:42 rangi so its just an internal thing 20:42 gmcharlt rangi: one would hope, anyway ;) 20:42 cait let's be hopeful :) 20:42 rangi lets call it dont_use_this.1 20:42 rangi lets call it dont_use_this.2 20:42 rangi etc :) 20:43 drojf lets not make that nice and simple vote boring and complicated 20:43 gmcharlt rangi: this_has_literal_c4_in_it.1... 20:43 andreashm 16.spagetti? 20:43 cait ok 20:43 rangi but really the external facing number is the important one 20:43 cait so we are going to have a yes/no vote next meeting? 20:43 mtompset ooo... 16.spaghetti. 20:43 bag yes 20:43 drojf can't we have it now? 20:43 mtompset I like that... yy.{whatever signifier we agree on} 20:43 bag I’m fine with voting now - the only complaint is I added this to the agenda yesterday 20:44 cait yeah 20:44 cait that'smy only complaint too 20:44 drojf lets vote now and give the world a chance to debate it next time. and i will accidentally miss the meeting :P 20:44 bag :) 20:44 drojf its not like we have millions of people at the meetings, and it seems we basically agree atm 20:44 gmcharlt vote now, and call it a straw poll if there are serious objections aftwaards? 20:44 thd drojf: As bag rightly proposed in proposing the form of the issue that we should wait to consider further. 20:44 barton drojf: is that accidentally or 'accidentally' ? 20:44 cait ok 20:45 drojf barton: either one or the other, whatever happens first :P 20:45 mtompset So, please restate what is to be voted on. 20:45 cait ok, can someone phrase a yes/no question for me? 20:45 gmcharlt how about this... 20:45 cait not sure why I amalways strugglingwith this 20:46 gmcharlt Shall the next major Koha release change the version scheme to yy.mm.minor, e.g., 16.05? 20:46 thd Would we be punting the fine details for further consideration of any actual implementation of the concept in any case? 20:46 cait #startvote Shall the next major Koha release change the version scheme to yy.mm.minor, e.g., 16.05? (yes,no) 20:46 huginn Begin voting on: Shall the next major Koha release change the version scheme to yy.mm.minor, e.g., 16.05? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 20:46 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:47 cait obviously... , should not be an option 20:47 rangi #vote yes 20:47 bag #vote yes 20:47 mtompset #vote yes 20:47 cait #vote yes 20:47 drojf yes 20:47 talljoy #vote yes 20:47 thd #vote yes 20:47 gmcharlt #vote yes 20:47 drojf damn 20:47 drojf #vote yes 20:47 rangi heh 20:47 ikourmou #vote yes 20:47 * mtompset laughs at drojf 20:47 drojf i was too excited :D 20:47 mtompset Does anyone say no or abstain? 20:47 * talljoy hands drojf a cookie 20:47 drojf awww thanks talljoy 20:47 gmcharlt nah, drojf was just agreeing with cait's statement that ... isn't a valid choice! ;) 20:48 BobB #vote yes 20:48 drojf gmcharlt: yeah i was reading that, wondering what it was about and tried to vote at the same time :) 20:48 cait i meant the comma :) 20:48 cait ok, closing voooote 20:48 cait #endvote 20:48 huginn Voted on "Shall the next major Koha release change the version scheme to yy.mm.minor, e.g., 16.05?" Results are 20:48 huginn yes (10): cait, mtompset, BobB, bag, gmcharlt, talljoy, thd, drojf, rangi, ikourmou 20:49 cait #agreed Koha's release version scheme will be changed to be date based, e.g. 16.05 20:49 cait moving on? 20:49 drojf i doubt there will be 11 people here next time that hate the idea 20:49 bag moving on 20:49 cait probably unlikely 20:49 bag :) 20:49 cait #topic Hackfest in Berlin 20:49 gmcharlt YES WE WILL MOVE ON, HAVING UNLOCK THE ACHIVEMENT OF A VERSION NUMBER CONVENTION DISCUSSION THAT WAS ACTUALLY BRIEF!!!!1!!!! 20:49 gmcharlt ;) 20:49 rangi im still waiting for work to OK me to go 20:50 gmcharlt (I may be a little excited about that outcome) 20:50 barton gmcharlt: I too am in shock. 20:50 drojf rangi: yay :) 20:50 * talljoy expected the earth to shake 20:50 cait drojf? 20:50 drojf not really anything new from me… 20:50 drojf liw will get back to me in april about a debian packaging workshop 20:51 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackfest_2016 20:51 bag I’ll be heavy asleep on the 27th of may so I won’t be able to be there - but see you in greece 20:51 drojf so far very little people registered, namely cait ;) 20:51 cait #info there will be a Catmandu workshop 20:51 drojf so we would have one workshop per person 20:51 drojf :P 20:51 cait drojf: because youneed help advertising obviously 20:52 drojf i dont know if people fixed their plans for greece already, so its hard to tell if there is more to come 20:53 drojf i will appoach german libraries that may be interested at some point if there is very little response from koha devs 20:53 reiveune bye 20:54 cait i think ther would be some interest here 20:54 cait but it has not been advertised to the german lists so far 20:54 drojf so it would be helpful to know if peopke made their plans already. rome was full within 3 or 4 weeks 20:54 drojf its hard to tell 20:54 BobB would so like to come, its just not possible 20:55 cait ok, moving on? 20:55 drojf cait: it has not been advertised there because all german devs are already coming :P 20:56 cait ah not quite true 20:56 cait also, hackfests can help make new devs 20:56 cait #topic KohaCon 20:56 cait let's start with Greece 20:56 cait thx for the patience ikourmou 20:56 ikourmou ok, no prob 20:56 ikourmou let me give some numbers first 20:57 ikourmou about 135 registrations already 20:57 drojf w00t 20:57 BobB awesome 20:57 mtompset Nice. 20:57 rangi yay! 20:57 ikourmou and more than 25 proposals for presentations 20:57 ikourmou the call for proposals has ended on 7th of March 20:58 gmcharlt :D 20:58 rangi cool 25 is a good number! 20:58 ikourmou so now we have to form the program committee that will evaluate the proposals 20:59 ikourmou we plan to invite some of you (eg koha elders) to form the committee... 20:59 bag nice 20:59 ikourmou we also have opened the "call for sponsorships" 20:59 ikourmou http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=462 21:00 cait #link http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=462 21:00 cait #info Call for sponsorships is open 21:00 ikourmou I would say that in general everything goes as planned 21:00 cait #info 135 registrations so far 21:00 cait #info 25 proposals for presentations 21:00 cait ikourmou: the updates on the conf page are nice! 21:01 ikourmou but I would really love to have some feedback from the people here 21:01 ikourmou cait: thx 21:01 ikourmou the venue we have booked has about 175 seats 21:02 ikourmou so we are approaching a limit 21:02 ikourmou sooner more than later 21:02 drojf with 135 already… that may be full soon 21:02 bag 175 is a good number 21:02 drojf what was the biggest kohacon so far? reno? 21:03 * cait is glad she has registered already 21:03 rangi drojf: that or the first one in paris 21:03 thd ikourou: Is 175 merely a seating limit or also a legal/safety limit for the venue? 21:03 * rangi will register .. I may have to try and seek some sponsorship to come though, but ill register 21:03 ikourmou no, just seating 21:04 ikourmou we could expand it by projecting the presentations in the foyer (just a thought) 21:04 drojf ok so we can squeeze 200 in probably? i suppose not everyone is attending all sessions 21:04 thd Stamding room Koha :) 21:05 cait live bloggers get seats... rest standing or on the floor? ;) 21:05 ikourmou ok, we will work sth out, if we reach the limit :-) 21:06 rangi 136 21:06 rangi :) 21:06 ikourmou thx @rangi 21:06 drojf ikourmou: i saw you have several rooms there 21:06 drojf but that would probably be way more expensive too 21:07 ikourmou you mean the building kohacon is gonna take place? 21:07 drojf and/or bookes for other stuff 21:07 drojf yes 21:07 drojf *booked 21:07 ikourmou yes, they will be probalby booked by then... 21:07 drojf are you planning on streaming video or audioi? 21:08 drojf that was in the flyer too ;) 21:08 cait maybe we can talk more about dealing with 'more' once we reach it? 21:08 cait we still have some topics to deal with 21:08 rangi +1 21:08 ikourmou I would like to ask if there are any special considerations for the hackfest? 21:08 cait ikourmou: anything you need us to do/decide/volunteer? 21:08 cait wifi 21:09 ikourmou checked! 21:09 bag good internet 21:09 cait :) 21:09 cait enough power outlets, tables... maybe a projector if that would not be too hard 21:09 ikourmou do we need to define sessions or subjects or anything? 21:09 thd I encourage recording hackfest presentations for sharing with the world not attending in person. 21:10 drojf not really, unless you got a lot of proposals for dev-only events 21:10 ikourmou how do hackfest presentations work? 21:10 cait ikourmou: apart from providing the mentioned things,things usually get organized by the people attending - similar to marseille 21:10 ikourmou ah, ok 21:11 drojf i think liw would also be up for a debian packaging workshop in greece if its possible to decide in april. he just could not hand in a proposal now 21:11 rangi ikourmou: its more like an unconference, the people there on any given day decide what they will work on 21:11 thd Hackfest presentations may be very informal explanations or discussions of some technical matters. 21:11 ikourmou @rangi: that makes thing easier for us 21:11 huginn ikourmou: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 21:12 ikourmou we plan to have streaming for the whole Kohacon 21:13 * pianohacker is better nate than lever 21:13 drojf cool. and fair enough for people not registering in time 21:13 thd ikourmou: Will you be recording the stream for later access? 21:13 bag not sure if you are a better nate pianohacker 21:13 cait #info plan is to have straming for the whole KohaCon 21:13 ikourmou yes, we have some considerations on video size though 21:14 thd s/later/non-realtime/ 21:14 drojf you should get consent to have all talks licensed CC or similar 21:14 cait ok, if there is nothing mor urgent 21:14 ikourmou drojf: noted 21:14 cait i'd like to move on 21:14 ikourmou just one more thing... 21:14 ikourmou we plan to propose the formation of Greek Koha Users Group 21:15 drojf cool 21:15 cait :) 21:15 bag cool 21:15 ikourmou that's all from me 21:15 drojf ikourmou++ 21:15 rangi :) 21:15 cait ok 21:15 cait for KohaCon bids we currently have one from Dublin, Ireland 21:15 cait and one from the Philippines 21:16 rangi I think Dublin might be out, because of the not twice in the same continent? 21:16 rangi 2 europe in a row 21:16 drojf not really something to discuss the next few months, is itr? 21:16 drojf ah yes that 21:16 drojf i did not write that on the list, because the rules are not clear 21:16 cait not sure how to handle that 21:16 drojf according to the rules we should be in NZ every 5 years 21:17 cait i think it's noted somewher on the wiki at least? 21:17 drojf which would be cool :P 21:17 mtompset Where are these rules? 21:17 rangi heh, yeah 10 is more practical, id like to bid for wellington 2020 21:17 drojf there is a note, but its not a rule, just vague stuff someone noted (at least that is how it sounds) 21:17 bag I sort more feel - if you want to volunteer to host - volunteer - more power to you 21:18 drojf so maybe we should really set it as a rule 21:18 rangi populous regions will always win it that way 21:18 cait yeah 21:18 cait lots of options here in europe 21:18 BobB_ would be nice to bring it to Asia again 21:18 rangi and we'd never end up with places like nigeria, which would be really unfortunate 21:18 drojf we could probably get you kohacons in europe for the next 5 or 10 years 21:18 rangi i think the beauty of kohacon is it moves around 21:18 rangi everyone gets a shot 21:18 drojf yes 21:19 drojf so lets make it a real rule 21:19 mtompset +1 to making it a real rule. :) 21:19 drojf no harm in having bids that dont fit, those are people that may bid again the following year 21:19 drojf but i like the way it was done so far 21:19 drojf dublin tried to bid last year, btw. they were a day late 21:20 cait hope they won't be disappointed 21:20 drojf not sure if that was public, i think they only send it to me 21:20 cait but better to know earlier than later 21:20 drojf well, it is a nice reminder of being actually active in the community you are trying to host a conference for 21:20 bag we don’t seem to get flooded with propsals 21:20 thd The potential issue may have been mentioned in the text of recent calls for proposals on the koha mailing list. 21:21 rangi it took nigeria 3 years to win 21:21 BobB_ yeah and they kept trying till they did 21:21 rangi there is precedence for it taking time 21:21 drojf rangi: and the help of that rule. which is why i thin we should have it/keep it/make it a real rule written down somewhere 21:22 rangi paris, edinburgh, greece 21:22 drojf because locations too far fro the US and EU will have no chance otherwise 21:22 cait ok, so what is the next step here? 21:22 rangi reno, plano 21:22 rangi are the 2 continents that have had it more than once 21:23 BobB_ versus wellington, mumbai, cordoba, ibadan - so far 5 in EU / US and four outside 21:23 drojf cait: 1) vote on it as a rule, not only a guide or whatever it was so far 2) communicate it to dublin and in calls for hosts in genberal 21:24 BobB_ pretty good balance, so what we've done seems to work :) 21:24 cait ok, vote now or next meeting? 21:24 mtompset I think we could vote on the continent rule being explicit and written. 21:24 drojf i'd say vote now, but i think its a bigger issue than version numbering, so maybe an announcement would be fair 21:25 mtompset True enough. 21:25 thd How would the rule be formed to prevent alternating between North America and Europe? 21:25 cait it hink we sould not overcomplicate 21:25 cait not the same continent twice in a row? 21:25 rangi thd: its not twice within 3 years 21:25 drojf thd: that would be a different rule 21:25 cait ah 21:25 rangi thats always been the guideline 21:25 thd rangi++ 21:26 cait that'd mean that dublin could be 2018 earliest? 21:26 drojf i never heard of that 21:26 drojf is that in the wiki too? 21:26 rangi who knows, we have ruled out bids using that before though 21:26 drojf i haven't :) 21:26 BobB_ rotate from E to W? :) 21:27 drojf i think 21:27 drojf BobB i think we do not have enough options to have a fixed rule for that? 21:27 thd drojf: It has only been a guideline to follow for avoiding dominance by population which was discussed somewhat a few years ago. 21:27 rangi it came in after the thousand of votes for kohacon11 21:28 rangi we'd be in india every year otherwise 21:28 BobB_ none of whom came to the conference 21:28 thd rangi: As my call for proposals message has put it recently, we have never had to use such a rule in actual practise. 21:28 drojf ok. good to know, i was not aware of that. 21:29 cait maybe we need to vote on this next time 21:29 drojf hm yeah the voring rules for kohacon… i think its not on the agenda this time and i forgot what was last zime, but we need to think about that 21:29 cait so i will info it 21:29 BobB_ cait we are an hour and a half into the meeting and only half way through the agenda 21:29 cait exactly 21:29 rangi i dont think we can blame cait for that 21:29 rangi :) 21:30 cait #info Vote on a for continent rotation for KohaCons next meeting 21:30 drojf i blame l*bl*me 21:30 BobB_ not blamin' of course, just sayin' :) 21:30 mtompset No one does, but it is rather long. 21:30 cait can we skip the next topic? 21:30 rangi yes 21:30 drojf what is the next topic 21:30 cait #topic International Koha Fund 21:31 mtompset drojf: skipped mailing list announcement rules. 21:31 BobB_ bag? or me? 21:31 bag you start BobB_ 21:31 thd The vote counting issue is moot so far for the next KohaCon if we enforce some rule for venue diversity. 21:31 BobB_ ok Fundraising committee is doing two things: 21:31 BobB_ - about to start talking about how to raise to money; 21:32 drojf ah no we skipped two, which both were mine 21:32 drojf so the voting thing was on the list 21:32 BobB_ - and making rules for the Grants committee, in case we get some money! 21:32 drojf ^^ 21:32 cait drojf: sorry 21:32 BobB_ So the draft rules for the Grants committee were put on the wiki last night 21:33 BobB_ and are there to be read and commented on 21:33 BobB_ and voted on next month 21:33 BobB_ questions? 21:33 drojf yes 21:33 cait #info draft rules for the Grants committee were put on the wiki and are there to be read and commented on 21:33 drojf there is mentioning of a closed session. i wonder what things will be within such sessions 21:33 BobB_ thx cait 21:34 mtompset url? 21:34 BobB_ https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising 21:34 BobB_ scrool down 21:34 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising 21:34 BobB_ scroll even 21:35 drojf 2b Meetings of the Committee will be scheduled with at least 2 weeks of prior notice. A public agenda will be published prior to the meeting that will list all of the proposals under consideration. The agenda will specify which portions of the meeting will be open and which will be held in closed session. 21:35 mtompset Ah, right in the minutes, sorry. 21:35 mtompset ^minutes^agenda^ 21:36 BobB_ droif I am trying to remember 21:36 gmcharlt as I recall, it's a catch-all 21:36 drojf BobB: not saying that can't be happening, just wondering what it is about, because it is not mentioned elsewhere 21:37 gmcharlt as in, anything that involves money raises the spectre of sensitive issues that should not be promulgated 21:37 BobB_ yes, to give the ocmmittee the option of private discussion, which should be made known rather than done secretly, if you follow me 21:37 gmcharlt and the grants subcommittee is reserving the right to discuss any such matters in closed session -- but to say in advance that it woudl be doing so 21:37 BobB_ gmcharlt well said 21:39 cait drojf: does this answr your question? 21:39 cait BobB: would you be ok with a vote in may? or is there a need to have the vote in April? 21:40 cait we could have the discussion on the mailing list 21:40 BobB_ until there is money in the fund, there are no grants to make, so these rules are not urgent 21:40 drojf yes 21:40 drojf thanks 21:40 bag ah an update on the money in the fund… one sec 21:40 bag we are a little over $300 dollars in the fund and we’ve had 2 donations so far in 2016 21:41 cait nice start 21:41 BobB_ and that is without any effort, so its good 21:41 cait #info $300 dollars in the fund, 2 donations so far in 2016 21:41 cait moving on 21:41 cait can we save the brainstorming for gbsd? :) 21:42 cait and get to set a date for the next meeting? 21:42 bag +1 21:42 cait #topic Set date and time for next meeting 21:43 cait wednesday, April 6th ? 21:43 cait 10 UTC? 21:44 drojf works for me 21:44 bag +1 21:44 bag that’s a difficult time to stay awake for 0200 for me 21:44 cait it's the normal rotation 21:44 rangi yep thast fine 21:44 bag I know I know ;) 21:45 cait #agreed Next meeting will be on 6 April, 10 UTC 21:45 cait #endmeeting 21:45 huginn Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 21:45:03 2016 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 21:45 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/genereal_irc_meeting_9_march_2016.2016-03-09-20.00.html 21:45 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/genereal_irc_meeting_9_march_2016.2016-03-09-20.00.txt 21:45 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/genereal_irc_meeting_9_march_2016.2016-03-09-20.00.log.html 21:45 cait sorry, bu ti am falling asleep ;) 21:45 BobB_ 8pm - fine for me 21:45 BobB_ thank you cait 21:45 bag thanks cait! 21:45 BobB_ i am waking up :) 21:45 cait stupid timezones :) 21:46 bag time for foodz 21:47 drojf i suppose nobody has evaluated if the two times now work better than the 3 times before or the 2 times per meeting? not volunteering, but i wonder if we have now more or less participation in the meetings 21:47 BobB_ bag we have to schedule a FRC meeting 21:47 drojf @seen mveron 21:47 huginn drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <mveron> Bye #koha :-) 21:47 thd drojf: We had three times for an extended period/ 21:49 thd drojf: Alternating between three times would lead to the unpopular time having almost no attendance and defeating the purpose of a meeting. 21:49 thd s/would/had/ 21:50 drojf thd: i assume so, but i would be interested in the hard facts (numbers of people actually attending) of those periods 21:51 thd You could check the meeting logs for attendance of meetings held at 2 UTC. 21:52 bag BobB_: I will be visint with Romana and Paul next week 21:53 bag can you send out an email BobB_ to suggest next meeting? 21:53 bag Or do we need to wait and see if we have any comments on the grants doc? 21:57 pianohacker oh man, I forgot to jump in at the end of the meeting 21:57 pianohacker I have a NUMBER of issues with the proposed versioning scheme 21:58 cait hm bit late 21:58 pianohacker only kidding 21:58 pianohacker I've wanted this for years 21:59 bag pianohacker++ 21:59 bag love it ;) 21:59 bag yes cait pianohacker wants to name them all after piano’s 21:59 pianohacker 16.05: Steinway Edition 22:00 wizzyrea phew I was going to have to get cross with you, pianohacker 22:00 wizzyrea :) 22:00 wizzyrea (not really) 22:00 wizzyrea I am happy about the new versioning system thoug! 22:00 wizzyrea though* 22:01 wizzyrea \o/ 22:02 tcohen hey 22:03 wizzyrea hi tcohen 22:03 tcohen minutes? 22:04 bag Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/genereal_irc_meeting_9_march_2016.2016-03-09-20.00.html 22:07 tcohen catmanduuu uworkshooooop 22:08 tcohen i hate you all 22:08 rangi https://librecatproject.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/matching-authors-against-viaf-identities/ 22:08 bag yeah I’m a little jealous of that one - maybe we can get that repeated in greece 22:08 rangi did you see that tcohen ? 22:09 tcohen rangi: reading 22:10 tcohen oh 22:10 tcohen awesome 22:12 rangi it is 22:16 tcohen will we release on even years only? 22:16 tcohen :-P 22:17 Francesca hello 22:18 wizzyrea Hi Francesca :) 22:18 Francesca i'll be seeing you all tomorrow (feels like forever) 22:54 wizzyrea sweet as! 22:55 mtompset "single fat LDF server (256 GB RAM)." -- *I'M* Jealous. 22:56 drojf bag, tcohen: You cannot get the catmandu workshop in greece, because johann is busy preparing stuff for ELAG the following week. doing it in greece was the first idea, i would not have interfered with that 22:57 mtompset tcohen: I don't if you had time to look up from the other stuff you are tinkering with, but bug 15870 is signed off. 22:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Add Filter for MARC to respect visibility settings 22:57 bag yeah totally understand that drojf 22:58 drojf that said, i am suppose he would do it again another time if there is interest (and probably some funding for travel costs, depending on the location) 22:58 drojf *i suppose 23:01 drojf he is organizing a catmandu something something release meeting in april, but i think that is mainly for catmandu core developers 23:04 drojf anyway we should try and do more things together with librecat people. btw their ES store dev version suppoirts ES 2.0 now, not sure if that is relevant for us?! what version are we targetiing? 23:05 rangi 2 23:05 drojf ok cool 23:05 rangi getting lunch bbiab 23:08 drojf [off] there i planned to go to rome and drink wine all day, and then it turns out they have finest canadian gluten free beer availaibe that you cannot buy anywhere in germany 23:09 bag drojf: how long are you in rome? 23:09 drojf bag: monday to thursday 23:10 drojf and you? 23:10 bag cool I land monday and fly out saturday 23:11 drojf [off] i would have stayed longer if i would have anticipated the glutenfreefriendliness of the city :D 23:12 bag :) 23:12 drojf i think i arrive early afternoon on monday and leave around the same on thursday. really looking forward to it. it was on short notice but it fits in very well for me :) 23:14 drojf bag: you don't have to talk, just supervise? ;) 23:14 bag I think I am talking a little about ES in the very beginning 23:15 bag but talljoy gives a good presentation about bibframe :) 23:15 drojf yeah i am looking forward to the workshop :) 23:15 bag ok time for me to head home 23:16 drojf time for me to go to bed :) see you here later or in rome! 23:17 drojf good night #koha