Time Nick Message 00:07 pianohacker when did login stop redirecting to the page you were trying to access? 00:16 wizzyrea which login 00:16 pianohacker bug 15945 00:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15945 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Not redirected back to original page after login 00:16 pianohacker 912f238c5e4efa275e74cde77de184473e1f2dd7, auth.tt 00:17 wizzyrea oh I guess you know the answer then 00:18 pianohacker wizzyrea: yes, but it makes me sad 00:18 pianohacker because I really liked that and I'm not sure how to fix that 03:04 jcamins wizzyrea: if you line up custard brownies, regular brownies, and soufflé brownies, the differences are quite striking. The soufflé brownie is 50% taller than the custard brownie, with the regular brownie roughly in the middle. The soufflé brownie has a much finer crumb, though the other two look more-or-less the same, crumb-wise. The top of the soufflé brownie is a matte brown so dark as to be nearly black, the custard brownie has a much ... 03:04 jcamins ... lighter, glossy top, and the regular brownie has a mixture of dark matte and light glossy. 03:04 jcamins The More You Know. 03:05 wizzyrea I approve of your scientific approach to brownies 03:06 jcamins wizzyrea: I told you how to select a non-dairy shortening for brownies, right? 03:06 wizzyrea lol no 03:06 jcamins Well... which one to choose. 03:06 wizzyrea just use coconut oil? 03:06 wizzyrea >.> that's my solution. 03:07 wizzyrea DONE> 03:07 wizzyrea ^.^ 03:07 jcamins Good guess, but I didn't have enough coconut oil on hand, and that wasn't the question. 03:07 wizzyrea I am not a very technical baker. 03:07 wizzyrea ok how? 03:07 wizzyrea which? 03:07 wahanui which is a different bucket of crazy 03:07 jcamins Step 1: Consider your audience. Step 2: Decide if they are sophisticated. Step 3: If they are sophisticated, use cold pressed olive oil; if they are not, use vegetable oil. 03:07 jcamins Or, rather, have a sophisticated palate. 03:07 wizzyrea hm. 03:07 * wizzyrea still goes for coconut oil 03:07 wizzyrea ^.^ 03:08 wizzyrea I always have a jug of it 03:08 jcamins Also, coconut allergies. 03:08 jcamins They suck. 03:08 wizzyrea yes, that's problematic. 03:08 jcamins One of my best friends is allergic to coconut. :( 03:08 wizzyrea what a terrible thing to be allergic to 03:08 jcamins Everyone else is lactose intolerant. 03:08 wizzyrea I'd be unhappy. If I lost either avocados or coconut my life would be sadder. 03:08 wizzyrea more sad. 03:08 wizzyrea there we go. 03:09 wizzyrea Skipping rebuild/update because flock failed on /var/lock/koha/site/rebuild/rebuild..LCK: Resource temporarily unavailable 03:09 wizzyrea I STILL LOVE THIS. 03:09 wizzyrea best ever. 03:09 jcamins That is such a good idea. 03:09 wizzyrea it's in Koha now! 03:09 wizzyrea it does this smart thing all on it's own! 03:10 wizzyrea a+ team :) 03:10 jcamins Anyway, regarding the selection of vegetable oil or olive oil, I was expecting to find that (almost) everyone preferred olive oil, or that it was random. 03:10 wizzyrea (it's been like this for a while) 03:10 jcamins I know. 03:10 jcamins It changed while I was still using Koha. 03:10 jcamins Regularly. 03:10 wizzyrea hehe 03:11 jcamins In a surprise of epic proportions, I was able to predict which brownie a person would prefer by asking "do you cook a lot" in all but three cases. 03:11 wizzyrea tfw you realise that the reason the item type searches are bringing no results is because there are NO RECORDS PROVIDED in that item type. 03:11 wizzyrea lol 03:11 jcamins In those three cases, they didn't cook but still preferred olive oil. 03:11 jcamins Confetti! 03:11 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 03:11 jcamins Search is working! 03:11 jcamins Search? 03:11 wahanui Search is for the patrons not the librarians 03:13 wizzyrea working as expected given the parameters, I'd say. :) 03:44 wizzyrea 3.10 -> 3.22 takes aaaaaages 06:46 * magnuse waves 07:15 * cait sighs about uri escaping in xslt 07:15 cait bug 14441 07:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14441 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Signed Off , TrackClicks cuts off/breaks URLs 07:43 reiveune hello 07:43 wahanui privet, reiveune 08:08 Joubu hi 08:15 gaetan_B bonjour 08:39 magnuse bonjour! 08:52 LibraryClaire morning 08:58 magnuse hiya LibraryClaire 09:01 LibraryClaire hey magnuse :) 09:02 Joubu @later tell tcohen, ping me about the Circ_issuingrule tests, I don't understand what you meant 09:02 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:07 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 09:07 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 9.0°C (8:50 AM GMT on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 09:10 cait morning #koha 09:10 magnuse @wunder boo 09:10 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 2.0°C (10:00 AM CET on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Falling). 09:10 magnuse kia ora cait 09:15 LibraryClaire hi cait :) 09:15 cait hi all 09:27 johan hello, i was wondering if anyone can help me, with a question concerning adding books with Cyrillic letters, when I add the books the letters are simle dark blocks with question marks. I am new in koha (any help will really be appreciated! 09:31 cait johan: how are you adding the letters? 09:31 cait um adding the records 09:32 gaetan_B johan: hello, also what kind of computer are you using? 09:32 johan i am using ubuntu, 09:32 * gaetan_B is not sure if it really matters 09:33 cait are you entering the data manually or are you trying to import records? 09:33 gaetan_B cait's idea is probably better 09:33 johan i go to tools, Stage MARC records for import, 09:33 cait ok 09:33 cait are your records utf-8/unicode? 09:33 johan yes 09:33 cait did you select that encoding on improting? 09:34 cait koha can handle data in all kinds of scripts - an encoding issue with the data is the most likely thing 09:34 amaravati Hello! I was hoping to get some help with search in Koha. We have English books, but also chinese, korean, japanese books. But Opac/koha can't search these records (it just give all the 'non' latin records). I tried this http://tech-dig.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/how-to-enable-unicode-utf-8-in-koha-and.html but can't complete it becuase the cfg files doesn't seem to be there (running Koha 3.22 on Jessie) 09:34 johan well, not exactly sure what yo mean, i apologise, it is a rusmarx file 09:35 johan rusmarc file 09:35 cait amaravati: have a look for ICU in the koha wiki - it's an indexing option that is needed in order for non-lating search to work alright 09:35 cait amaravati: but it's a solvable thing - once you have icu, things will work 09:35 johan .rmc 09:35 amaravati Yes...it is Turned on...but still doesn't give any difference (i did rebuild zebra afterwards) 09:36 cait it#s not enough to switch the preference 09:36 amaravati Fuzzy search etc are turn off.. 09:37 amaravati cait: what do you mean? what else todo? 09:38 cait you need to set it up server side too one sec 09:38 cait take a look here for an example: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Arabic_records 09:39 amaravati I saw that before. Does that mean I have to add 'manually' for chinese the edits on words-icu.xml? 09:39 amaravati Also for korean, for japanese 'etc' 09:39 amaravati (like polish https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Polish_records) 09:41 cait no 09:41 cait just leave that out and use the standard file that is already part of koha 09:41 cait that is only some advanced things that you don't need when you enter the characters as you want them to be found 09:42 cait ah sorry, i misread 09:42 cait sorry, i am confusing 09:42 amaravati ? 09:42 cait you want to change manually the default.idx file 09:43 amaravati Yes... done! 09:43 cait but using the words-icu.xml that comes with koha as is should be fine 09:43 amaravati add the line icuchain words-icu.xml (twice), which I didn't do before... 09:43 amaravati Now I am rebuilding zebra 09:43 amaravati let's see 09:43 cait johan: i think your .rusmarc file is maybe not unicode encoded 09:43 cait i am not sure what other differences between rusmarc and marc21 there are, but maybe something to investigage 09:44 cait amaravati: keeping fingers crossed 09:44 johan thank you, will continue to look 09:45 amaravati finger crossed 09:52 amaravati Yahoooo...it is working! Thanks Cait! 09:53 amaravati But need to say, it is a bit of confusing with all those 'solutions' on the net! :( 09:55 cait sory for that - not really a way to stop it tho 09:55 cait in general starting at the wiki is a good advice 09:57 cait it's probably the most up to date documentation apart from the manual 09:58 amaravati Would it also make sense to add some 'extra text' in the Koha -> icu option. That one need to 'do more on the server side'? 10:09 cait it could be more clear i think 10:09 cait Please note: This setting will not affect Zebra indexing, it should only be used to tell Koha that you have activated ICU indexing if you have actually done so, since there is no way for Koha to figure this out on its own. 10:09 cait it does try to tell you :) 10:40 cait but the word 'server-side' would probably help 11:02 Joubu alex_a: what's the status of bug 15832? 11:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15832 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Pending reserves: duplicates branches in datatable filter 11:02 Joubu (test plan missing) 11:10 alex_a I did that ? 11:12 alex_a oh yes 11:32 alex_a Joubu: status changed, test plan added. Sorry for that 11:32 Joubu np! 13:00 amaravati Hey... anyone know why /cgi-bin/koha/about.pl in koha stops in October 2015? (About Koha --> timeline) 13:01 Joubu amaravati: because it has not been updated since October 13:02 amaravati haha :) 13:02 amaravati OK, Joubu..touche 13:02 Joubu see bug 7143 13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 13:02 amaravati Thankss! didn't know this was logged already 13:08 amaravati Hi, anyone know how to 'solve' You are missing the <log4perl_conf> entry in your koha-conf.xml file. Please add it, pointing to the log4perl.conf file for your Koha instance 13:08 tcohen morning 13:09 kidclamp morning 13:28 magnuse kia ora tcohen kidclamp atheia 13:28 francharb Good morning #koha 13:30 kidclamp hi magnuse 13:31 oleonard Hi #koha 13:32 atheia hi magnuse! 13:37 magnuse nengard! NateC! oleonard! 13:38 nengard :) 13:38 nengard magnuse!!! 13:38 wahanui magnuse is a Norwegian giant. 13:38 NateC greetings magnuse !! 13:38 tcohen hi magnuse NateC 13:39 druthb magnuse! nengard! NateC! oleonard! cait!! 13:40 NateC druthb!!! 13:40 wahanui She's really more trouble than she's worth, you know? 13:41 * druthb pats wahanui on the head 13:47 drojf hi #koha 14:17 Joubu @later tell tcohen about "t_db_dependent_Circulation_Issuingrule_t.GetIssuingCharge returns issuingrule1's informations (47)", could you check the table structure of issuingrules on D7? 14:17 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:50 bag morning 14:51 bag @nickometer BAG 14:51 huginn bag: I've exhausted my database of quotes 14:51 bag :P 15:01 * cait waves 15:01 cait am here 15:01 bag hi there 15:01 wahanui hey, bag 15:02 cait but could someone else co-chair please? 15:02 bag hmm let me see 15:02 bag khall: can you chair? 15:02 khall bag: I don't know how! 15:02 khall are there any quick docs? 15:02 cait i will start the meeting 15:02 cait and just add you as another chair 15:02 bag I will not be here for the whole meeting but I’ll help you khall 15:02 cait so you can switch topic etc 15:03 khall cool, can do then! 15:03 cait it's been quite a chaotic day - sorry I am a bit confused today 15:03 bag well let’s see how many people we have today cait 15:04 bag if it’s just the 3 of us - maybe no meeting 15:04 cait #startmeeting Development IRC Meeting 1 March 2016 15:04 huginn Meeting started Tue Mar 1 15:04:25 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:04 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:04 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_1_march_2016' 15:04 cait #chair khall 15:04 huginn Current chairs: cait khall 15:04 cait #chair bag 15:04 huginn Current chairs: bag cait khall 15:04 cait #topic Introductions 15:04 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 15:04 cait Please introduce yourself with #info 15:05 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater 15:05 cait Today's agenda is at https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_1_March_2016 15:06 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 15:06 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 15:06 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 15:07 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop 15:07 bag hey slef 15:07 slef hi 15:07 wahanui hello, slef 15:08 cait moving on? 15:08 slef +1 15:09 cait #topic Announcements 15:09 cait just giving the RM a chance to say something ;) 15:09 bag caught up last week with the queue - well sort of 15:09 bag lots of follow up this week 15:09 bag somethings are broken - but we’ve got time to work on those 15:10 bag jenkins being stable is a going to be a big push in the next month or two 15:10 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 15:10 bag I will keep looking at the patches 15:10 atheia #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe 15:10 bag I am interested in a discussion about 11081 15:10 bag bug 11081 15:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11081 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Port Koha::Contrib::Tamil indexer into Koha code base 15:10 hector #info Hector Castro, Universidad de El Salvador 15:10 khall bag: It's on the agenda 15:10 nengard #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions 15:10 cait ah, channel is filling up 15:11 NateC #info Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions 15:11 bag but I think we need more people here - so maybe I’ll bring that to general meeting instead? 15:11 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 15:11 cait bag: this or next meeting? 15:11 barton #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater 15:12 khall bag: I think the subject matter is more appropriate for a developer meeting than a general meeting, but that's your call 15:12 cait my feeling is that we should evaluate how much needed it is... becuse Moose is rather big I was tol 15:12 cait d 15:12 bag let’s talk now 15:12 cait and we keep adding a lot to the dependencies 15:12 cait wait a sec 15:12 cait switching topic 15:12 cait #topic Discussion on bug 11081 - Moose 15:12 cait ok now 15:13 bag yes cait that’s a “con†- it’s big 15:13 khall I don't consider that such a con unless that has an acutal impact somehow 15:13 bag https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11081#c30 15:13 huginn 04Bug 11081: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Port Koha::Contrib::Tamil indexer into Koha code base 15:13 khall it's always very popular and widely used 15:14 cait #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11081 15:14 huginn 04Bug 11081: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Port Koha::Contrib::Tamil indexer into Koha code base 15:14 bag I think that’s the comment that we need to understand - right? comment number 30 15:14 cait i haven't had time to research where we left discussion last time 15:15 cait I think there was a big consensus that Moo is ok - but disagreements about Moose 15:15 cait what is not clear to me - we already have the koha indexer - does the tamil one bring a big advantage over it? 15:15 cait just trying to understand the importance of this dev 15:15 khall as far as my research has shown, the only downside to Moose is the startup cost, after startup Moose is about as fast as Moo, but that startup cost is why we cannot use it for CGI scripts 15:16 cait I ws told it pulls in a lot of packages - so that makes me a bit worried about maintaining it as a dependency for a single feature 15:16 khall cait: afaik the current indexing daemon has issues and is not recommended, this is a replacement for that 15:17 khall I think the standard practice at the moment is to use the fast indexer cron script 15:17 khall but, that means a delay of at least minutes between a record being catalogued and it showing in searches, which frustrates librarians 15:17 khall the daemon is meant to resolve that issue 15:18 cait khall: hm that's new to me 15:18 cait to my knowledge tcohen has used it for a while 15:18 cait i think we are talking about different things 15:18 khall cait: to address your last comment, Moose is very popular, so the only real issue is the use of MooseX modules which are not in Debian. However, they've already been packaged in our own debian repo 15:19 cait the old old way was dropped in prefrence of the cronjob, but i know tcohen has been running an indexer 15:19 khall I don't think we need to worry about Moose maintenance due to it's popularity 15:19 khall cait: I may be out of date on the current state of the old indexing daemon ; ) 15:19 cait i'd really like to get an opinion from gmcharlt is packaging maintainer 15:19 slef Is Moose upstream friendly towards packaging and backwards stability? 15:20 cait khall: give me a moment to dig it up 15:20 cait i think you might have missed something - but we will check that :) 15:20 slef (I've just seen another popular package elsewhere be abandoned due to upstream hostility/abusiveness) 15:20 cait koha-indexer in the packages i think 15:21 cait ok, this is a bug related to the feature, but not the base bug 15:21 cait https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15011 15:21 cait gmcharlt: ? 15:21 bag ok well still more discussion is needed. I will leave it for now. I was hoping tcohen could be around 15:22 Joubu http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_1.2015-04-15-15.06.log.html 15:22 cait khall: maybe bug 8773 15:22 Joubu this is the meeting log of the Moo vs Moose discussion 15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, CLOSED FIXED, Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 15:22 bag ah good thanks Joubu - I’ll read that later - that should help me 15:22 cait Launch an indexing daemon (rebuild_zebra.pl -daemon) process for each enabled instance. Enabling/disabling the use of the indexer is handled by global configuration variables in /etc/default/koha-common. Also provides command line tools to manage the running indexer daemons for your instances. 15:23 bag I think we can move on for now cait - that has taking a bunch of time 15:23 cait ok, one sec 15:23 khall Joubu: That entire discussion was in the context of using Moose in CGI scripts, so I don't believe it applies in this case. 15:23 cait any action items we shoudl log? 15:23 khall What we need to do is decide if we should allow Moose in CLI applications, or make it verboten in general 15:23 khall cait: I suggest we start a koha-devel thread for this 15:23 cait ok 15:23 Joubu khall: I don't think so, it was about bug 11190, which is a cmd line script 15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11190 new feature, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , sitemap.pl -- Generate a catalog sitemap 15:24 cait can you start it? 15:24 bag I would say - yup what khall said 15:24 cait #action khall to start mailing list thread about Moose in context of command line scripts 15:24 cait moving on to the coding guidlines 15:24 cait #topic Review Coding Guidelines 15:25 cait there are currently no proposals for new coding guidelines 15:25 khall Joubu: you are correct, my memory was not so good ; ) 15:25 cait so we will move to the 'reword/update' 15:25 cait i had something prepared... but left the file on my laptop at home 15:25 cait so if you are ok with that, i'd move to the second first 15:25 cait JS4 15:26 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#JS4:_Avoid_joining_multiple_language_strings_with_other_variables 15:26 cait We used to recommend: Avoid building sentences by concatenating multiple translatable strings. Your language may not use the same sentence structure. The best options keep strings at the beginning or end of a construction. This is incorrect: 15:26 cait IMO this no longer applies 15:26 cait we have a better wy now to handle this 15:27 * oleonard agrees 15:27 cait Introduced by bug 15662 15:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleishaamohia, Pushed to Master , String and translatability fix to Label Creator 15:27 cait hmm 15:27 cait maybe that is the wrong bug 15:28 cait ok, does someone have the right informationa bout the format syntax? :) 15:28 khall bug 12138 15:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12138 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, CLOSED FIXED, Use placeholders in translatable javascript strings 15:28 cait thx a lot 15:28 cait khall++ 15:28 khall : ) 15:28 cait #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12138 15:28 huginn 04Bug 12138: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, CLOSED FIXED, Use placeholders in translatable javascript strings 15:28 cait so we shoudl recommend that 15:29 cait and vetos? :) 15:29 khall +1 by me 15:29 cait the example looks somewhat like this: _("Are you sure you want to delete the %s attached items?").format(count) 15:30 cait and this will give the translator %s placeholders they can move around and a single sentence to translate instead of bits and pieces of a sentence 15:30 cait +1 by me too 15:30 oleonard +1 15:30 Joubu +1 15:30 cait would someone volunteer to rewrite the rule with an example? 15:30 atheia +1 15:31 kidclamp +1 15:31 * oleonard volunteers 15:31 khall thanks oleonard! 15:31 bag +1 15:32 cait #action oleonard to rewrite JS4 rule in light of bug 12138 15:32 cait next is PERL7 15:33 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL7:_Definitions 15:33 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Terminology 15:33 cait i'd like to replace PERL7 and the terminology link at the top by a single rule 15:34 cait referring to our terminology page first 15:34 cait and pointing out that the terms of the english interface should be considered the standard for naming things? 15:34 cait inside... andout - templates and code 15:35 khall agreed! 15:35 cait and maybe at odlis for new things to be named? 15:35 barton seconded! (or thirded?) 15:35 Joubu https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Terminology is the page ref 15:35 khall cait: that sounds reasonable and good 15:35 khall Joubu++ for his work to this end 15:35 cait hm terminology link at the bottom not at the top.... but i gave you a link anyway :) 15:36 cait Joubu++ 15:36 bag Joubu++ 15:36 cait so... terminology, english templates, odlis? 15:36 barton Joubu++ 15:37 khall +1 from me 15:37 barton what is (are?) odlis? 15:38 khall #link http://www.abc-clio.com/ODLIS/odlis_a.aspx 15:38 khall barton: a standard for library terminology 15:38 cait +1 15:38 cait someon willing to write that up? 15:39 * khall volunteers 15:39 cait #action khall to write up a new PERL7 version "terminology wiki page, templates, odlis" 15:40 cait are we ok to move on? 15:40 bag yup 15:40 barton +1 15:40 cait PERL12 15:40 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL12:_VERSION 15:40 cait [Deprecated as of start of 3.12 release cycle] Each module should have a $VERSION variable to preserve progressive levels of compatibility with dependent code. 15:41 cait Action from last meeting: Verify if perlcritic complains about missing VERSION and figure out, if we want/can reconfigure it. 15:41 cait [mtompset] perlcritic does not complain about missing $VERSION until -2, but since we only perlcritic to -5, there is no need to keep this. 15:41 cait the vote would be to obsolete this one and remove it from the coding guidelines 15:41 cait i am not sure if there are remaining $VERSION that shoudl be actively removed from the codebase 15:43 Joubu Maybe the best would be to keep it up to date 15:43 cait hm? 15:43 Joubu perl-reversion can help us 15:44 Joubu https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Perl-Version/examples/perl-reversion 15:44 Joubu There is no point to keep $VERSION=3.07.*, as we don't update it 15:44 cait ok, so that would be a second proposal 15:44 cait instead of removing - using it :) 15:44 Joubu but it would make sense to keep it (I think I have read somewhere it's a good practice) 15:45 cait maybe a silly question... but what is it good for when we are using git to track all changes? 15:45 Joubu it could be added to the release script 15:45 cait hm what do people think? 15:45 barton it can help with dependency tracking. 15:46 khall I tend to agree, for example the NCIP server uses Koha libraries, and could have different connector modules depending on the Koha version. 15:46 khall since the API may change 15:47 khall I would suggest it be a function of the RM ( scriptable if possible ) to update the Module versions with each release. 15:47 cait could you write up proposal about this? 15:47 khall Joubu: would you be willing to add that to the release script? 15:48 khall cait: I think that pretty much *is* the proposal ; ) 15:48 Joubu yes, will do 15:48 bag sweet 15:48 khall Joubu++ 15:49 khall cait: Add and update $VERSION variables for all Koha modules so API changes can be dealt with by external projects using Koha modules 15:51 cait ok - waht about the coding guiedeline? 15:51 cait undeprecate it? 15:52 cait or just add a note that they will be dealt with automatically and hsould not be touched? 15:52 khall Joubu: what do you think? 15:53 Joubu yes, should not be touched, but what about new modules? 15:53 Joubu set as the version used in master I'd say 15:53 khall agreed 15:54 cait ok, someone to write that up? 15:54 khall Joubu: initially? I don't think the Module versions should change unless some api changes 15:55 khall but I think using the Koha version to set the initial version would be fine 15:55 cait the first version to be set on a new file? 15:55 cait was that the question? 15:55 Joubu I will have a look at the common best practices, and let you know 15:55 khall and then if any api changes, update the module version to the current Koha version? 15:55 khall Joubu: excellent 15:55 Joubu I'd say: Set Koha::version to all our modules 15:56 Joubu for new modules, use the current koha::version 15:56 Joubu and update module $version for stable branches only 15:56 khall #action Joubu will look into best practices for dealing with module versioning 15:56 khall I think that sounds pretty good 15:56 cait #info New proposal to make use of the Versioning instead of removing it 15:57 cait ok 15:57 cait the last is a proposal from khall about restructuring hte page 15:58 cait i think we have some double ups and inconsistencies 15:58 cait and also probably we need a better numbering/naming scheme 15:59 cait it's a bit long and daunting... maybe pslitting it up into smaller pieces? 15:59 khall Maybe we get rid of the numbering scheme altogehter and just use names 15:59 Joubu I'd love to get all of them on the same page 15:59 cait one page for all? 16:00 khall e.g. Coding Guidelines => Perl => Object Oriented 16:00 cait it would help with deprecating things 16:00 khall I think one page is still adequate for the time being 16:00 oleonard I thought the proposal was to break it into separate pages? 16:00 cait it was something i suggested 16:00 cait maybe it could be just clear sections 16:00 cait not every new developer will need database/perl - my idea was if we could make it a bit less daunting 16:00 khall I think one page vs many pages is not a serious issue at the moment, we can always break it up later if need be 16:01 cait but yeah, mostly it needs a restructuring i think 16:01 khall I would still propose we follow the structure of https://make.wordpress.org/core/handbook/best-practices/coding-standards/ 16:01 cait i'd like to see how khall's idea turns out 16:01 cait #link https://make.wordpress.org/core/handbook/best-practices/coding-standards/ 16:01 khall and maybe take some of it's suggestions as well 16:02 oleonard I like that, and plan to suggest some of their guidelines for HTML and CSS. 16:02 cait ok 16:02 cait so shall we vote? 16:02 cait on having kyle draw up a draft ? 16:03 khall sure! 16:03 cait +1 16:03 oleonard +1 16:03 hector +1 16:03 bag +1 16:03 Joubu +1 16:03 khall +1 16:03 nengard +1 16:03 kidclamp +1 16:04 cait #action khall to draw up a draft following the structure of https://make.wordpress.org/core/handbook/best-practices/coding-standards/ 16:04 cait khall: could you take over for your suggestion for PERL7? 16:04 khall ok 16:05 khall I propose the following verbiage: http://paste.koha-community.org/322 16:05 khall The same vocabulary should be used both in internally in source code ( Module names, variable names, etc ) and externally ( javascript, templates, etc ). 16:05 khall Canonical Koha terminology is listed on the [Terminology] page. 16:05 khall If you are developing a new feature that requires new terminology, please locate and use the matching term defined by [ODLIS](http://www.abc-clio.com/ODLIS/odlis_a.aspx). 16:05 khall If you cannot find an appropriate term via ODLIS, please bring the question to the Koha community via the Koha Developers Mailing List or the next Koha Developers IRC Meeting. 16:07 khall any questions? or shall we vote? 16:07 atheia typo: …used both in internally in… 16:07 atheia Should change to …used both internally in… 16:07 khall noted, thanks atheia. will fix 16:08 atheia np :-) 16:08 khall The same vocabulary should be used both internally in source code ( Module names, variable names, etc ) and externally ( javascript, templates, etc ). 16:08 khall Canonical Koha terminology is listed on the [Terminology] page. 16:08 khall If you are developing a new feature that requires new terminology, please locate and use the matching term defined by [ODLIS](http://www.abc-clio.com/ODLIS/odlis_a.aspx). 16:08 khall If you cannot find an appropriate term via ODLIS, please bring the question to the Koha community via the Koha Developers Mailing List or the next Koha Developers IRC Meeting. 16:08 wahanui i already had it that way, khall. 16:09 Joubu /(members|borrowers|users)/patrons/g #easy 16:09 khall heh 16:09 khall any other questions or comments? 16:10 khall shall we vote then? 16:11 kidclamp yes 16:11 khall +1 16:11 hector +1 16:11 cait +1 16:11 kidclamp +1 16:12 bag +1 16:12 Joubu +1 16:12 atheia +1 16:14 khall #action khall will update the PERL7 rule to match the agreed verbiage 16:15 cait thx khall 16:15 cait ok, onw it's about 1:15 in 16:15 cait shall we try to look at another topic or continue next time? 16:15 khall If we have a minute I think we can put the Moose / Moo issue to rest 16:16 khall I would like to recant my position based on the fact the Joubu pointed out that my memory is bad ; ) 16:16 cait ok? 16:16 cait so are we sticking with Moo? 16:17 cait i haven't read up on Joubu's link *confesses* 16:17 khall Based on the past discussion I think we should add a simple rule that says "No Moose, use Moo" and we should revert the bug 16:17 Joubu use Moo for cli scripts only? 16:17 khall I think the rule should just be "Use Moo, not Moose" in general 16:17 cait ok, quick vote? 16:17 Joubu that is the current consensus iirc 16:18 khall if it applies to CLI, it certainly applies to CGI 16:18 bag ok 16:18 Joubu if it applies to cgi, we will have to accept Koha::* using Moo 16:20 khall Joubu: would you propose only Koha::Object(s) and Class:Accessor only for CGI? 16:20 Joubu that's the current position 16:20 khall and bespoke OOP of course when applicable 16:21 khall that seems reasonable, I will write up a rule proposal for next time 16:21 Joubu IMO we should not accept 3 different ways to implement Koha classes 16:22 khall Joubu: I agree, I think Koha::Object(s) for db table driven objects, and Class:Accessor for non-db driven objects is acceptable 16:22 Joubu yep 16:22 * cait thinks either Joubu or khall shoudl write a proposal 16:23 cait we could also use this to fix the first point we left out today 16:23 cait [kfischer] Merge new PERL20 and PERL20.1 into PERL15 16:23 * khall volunteers 16:23 cait because that also touches koha::object and class::accessor 16:23 cait and shoudl be in one place imp 16:23 cait imo:) 16:23 khall cait: agreed, I will take all that into account 16:24 oleonard Speaking of the wiki, I'd love to get something like this to use: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlighter 16:24 cait #action khall to propose a wording for the Moo,not Moose and PERL20, PERL20.1 and PERL15 fusion ;) 16:25 Joubu off topic: It would be good to know if people are using 3.22 in production, and if they have perf issues or not 16:26 cait i worked with one of our installations today.. it seemed certainly slower than 3.18 16:26 cait it's not live yet 16:26 cait and not using plack 16:26 Joubu I'd not recommend 3.22 without Plack 16:26 Joubu it will be terribly slow 16:26 cait in general,.. there were complaints about speed in the comments from Marshall's survey - but hard to tell without knowing specs/hardware 16:27 cait oleonard: i'd like the wiki to be updated a bit 16:27 cait not sure how possible it is 16:28 cait oleonard: maybe ask gmcharlt or put it on next meeting's agenda? 16:29 cait are we good to end here? 16:29 khall I think so 16:29 Joubu I have asked once to add a plugin to the wiki, someone told me no. 16:29 * Joubu does not remember who/what/when 16:29 cait #topic Set time and date of next meeting 16:29 gmcharlt I think a syntax highlighting plugin makes sense for the wiki 16:29 * oleonard will think of a good bribe 16:30 cait i think our wiki is a bit nonstandard... that's my impression 16:30 gmcharlt but first step will be a general mediawiki upgrade, as it's long overdue for one 16:30 cait gmcharlt: action item? ;) 16:30 gmcharlt cait: sure, why not 16:31 cait #action gmcharlt to update wiki and consider highlighting plugin 16:31 cait #link https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlighter 16:31 cait we got a lot done 16:31 cait do we need a meeting again in 2 weeks or switch to monthly? 16:32 bag no opinion 16:33 * oleonard votes 2 weeks 16:33 cait ok 16:33 cait so that woudl leave us with 16:33 cait 15th 16:33 cait I won't be able to attend in that week 16:34 cait because I will be at the german library congess 16:34 cait so someone else would have to take over chairing 16:34 bag I’ll be in italy so I can’t make it either 16:34 oleonard Okay never mind :) 16:34 cait 3 weeks? :) 16:35 cait tuesdday 22nd 16:35 cait 19UTC? 16:35 bag seems doable 16:36 cait #agreed next dev meeting will be at 22 march, 19 UTC 16:36 cait #endmeeting 16:36 huginn Meeting ended Tue Mar 1 16:36:19 2016 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 16:36 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_1_march_2016.2016-03-01-15.04.html 16:36 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_1_march_2016.2016-03-01-15.04.txt 16:36 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_1_march_2016.2016-03-01-15.04.log.html 16:36 cait thx all - have a good rest of your day :) 16:37 oleonard cait++ 16:37 bag thanks cait 16:38 reiveune bye 17:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Revert Bug 11081 - Port Koha::Contrib::Tamil indexer into Koha code base <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9dc15f21edc0e4aca2708fa7abc6c188af71e47> 17:08 geek_cl hi #koha pipl ! 17:08 geek_cl "detail.pl: Illegal date specified (year = 0, month = 0, day = 00) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/catalogue/detail.pl line 210" where i need to specify that timezone or date format ? 17:40 oleonard geek_cl: Is that error causing problems? Or is it simply something you noticed in your error log? 17:41 geek_cl sometimes some items or records, not are 'showed', at opac or staff, giving a 504 Gateway Time-out / The server didn't respond in time. 17:47 geek_cl oleonard, also i'd like to know where i need to specify that timezone or date format ?, OS,KOHA,MYSQL 17:48 oleonard I think the error is saying that somewhere in your data there is a date '0000-00-00' 17:48 oleonard There is a dateformat system preference, but I don't think that is relevant to the error. 17:48 oleonard Koha gets the date and time zone from the server. 17:56 * oleonard grumbles that the error logs are so full of garbage these days it's hard to find what's relevant 18:34 gaetan_B bye 18:40 eythian oleonard: perhaps some selenium tests that also count errors? 18:40 eythian Warnings, rather 18:48 oleonard eythian: ? 18:49 eythian So that people who are things that increase warnings can be suitably punished. 18:49 eythian Because yes, the warnings in the logs cover up real issues. 18:50 eythian At catalyst, I had a monitor that would collect them and when things were quiet, we'd fix the most frequent ones. But there's a long, long tail. 18:51 oleonard I think it's mostly Bug 15809, so not introduced by a change to our code 18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15809 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , versions of CGI < 4.08 do not have multi_param 18:51 eythian Here, it you do a rollout, you have to watch the monitors for 15 or so minutes. It there's an increase in warnings, you must roll back. 18:51 eythian Ah yeah 18:52 eythian You can't control everything 🙂 18:52 oleonard Especially not unicode thingys which show up as little squares :P 18:55 eythian Get a better font, you can totally control that. 18:55 eythian Works fine in Ubuntu, iirc. 18:55 oleonard But you can't ;) 18:56 eythian I'm sure I could if I really wanted to 😉 18:59 * oleonard blames all future computer issues on eythian hacking him to install better fonts 18:59 eythian It's worth it, I'm sure. 19:08 rangi morning 19:14 oleonard Hi rangi 19:15 rangi hey oleonard 19:15 wahanui somebody said oleonard was not really here. He said so. He did! 19:16 oleonard eythian and rangi you missed a noncontroversial developers' meeting today. 19:16 rangi maybe thats why it was noncontroversial? :) 19:16 oleonard Yes, perhaps it wasn't controversial because you weren't there to tell us we made terrible choices? 19:17 rangi hehe 19:17 rangi i think the most controversial things at the moment are what frontend tools to use, and what to name the next release :) 19:18 oleonard Yeah I figured I'd agitate on the frontend tools issue at the next one if no progress had been made. I haven't heard the discussion about naming the next release. 19:19 * cait waves 19:19 cait baking muffins tonight :) 19:19 * chris_n breaks out the chocolate milk 19:19 rangi im leaning towards date based naming 19:20 rangi 16.05 and then 16.05.01 etc .. for a few reasons, 1/ it avoids confusion with the stuff that was called koha 4.x 2/ its easier for people to realise they are running old stuff 19:21 rangi otherwise we kinda just stick with 3.x forever .. or maybe jump to 5.x ... or give them names .. i dunno 19:21 rangi maybe it's not that contorversial 19:21 oleonard 16.05 as in May 2016? 19:21 rangi yup 19:21 cait date based would be fine by me too 19:21 rangi like ubuntu does 19:22 oleonard As long as we don't switch to using names which I have to go look up because I can't remember which comes after which. 19:22 rangi yup 19:22 * oleonard glares at Debian 19:22 rangi heh 19:22 bag that’s my plan - to bring that up 19:22 rangi they have numbers too, they are moving more towards that 19:22 bag I want to switch to 16.05 19:22 bag ;) 19:22 eythian I do like the idea of date based. 19:22 pianohacker as long as we're alphabetical it's not so bad 19:22 rangi ( oleonard jessie is 8 etc) 19:22 pianohacker Koha 16.05 Aggravated Authoritarian 19:23 rangi heh 19:23 bag Jesse is pianohacker ;) 19:23 rangi id be happy enough with just 16.05 i think 19:23 pianohacker pianohacker version 23 19:23 pianohacker gonna be rolling out a new release in early april 19:24 rangi its a hell of a lot easier to explain than 3.24 19:24 rangi which is actually the 12th 3.x release 19:24 rangi :) 19:25 eythian wahanui: oleonard jessie is debian 8 19:25 wahanui OK, eythian. 19:25 pianohacker the odd-even versioning would be more useful if we released more alphas or something under the odd numbers 19:26 pianohacker as it stands this won't make much of a difference 19:29 hector Hi oleonard 19:29 hector bug 15950 signed-off 19:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15950 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Use Font Awesome icons for acquisitions basket close confirmation 19:30 oleonard Hi hector. I don't think we've met on IRC yet have we? 19:30 oleonard Thanks for all your signoffs! 19:30 hector Noup, not yet 19:30 hector Your welcome 19:30 hector Hi, how are you? 19:31 oleonard I am well, thank you 19:31 oleonard @wunder 45701 19:31 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 19.1°C (2:30 PM EST on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling). 19:32 hector How do you get that?, i'm really newbie on this 19:33 eythian @wunder ams 19:33 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 6.9°C (8:19 PM CET on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling). 19:33 oleonard "@wunder" and then the name of the city or a zip code. Sometimes it take a few tries to get it right 19:33 oleonard eythian: An airport code? 19:33 hector @wunder El Salvador 19:33 huginn hector: Error: No such location could be found. 19:33 pianohacker hi hector ! 19:33 hector Hi pianohacker 19:33 eythian oleonard: yeah, they work too 19:33 eythian @wunder nzwn 19:34 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on March 02, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 19:34 pianohacker I'm Jesse Weaver, I think I've seen you on a few of my bugs too. Didn't you test bug 11559? 19:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Professional cataloger's interface 19:34 bag @wunder pdx 19:34 huginn bag: The current temperature in Mikeshouse Cully, Portland, Oregon is 12.2°C (11:33 AM PST on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 7 PM PST this evening... 19:34 oleonard @wunder san salvador, el salvador 19:34 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in APRSWXNET, San Salvador, El Salvador is 31.7°C (12:48 PM CST on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa. 19:34 eythian APRS eh. That's interesting 19:35 eythian Maybe when I get my local license I should build one of those. 19:37 eythian If I ask for Amsterdam weather, it tends to be further away than the airport: 19:37 eythian @wunder Amsterdam, nl 19:37 hector painohacker: yep I comment on that one, your interface is awesome 19:37 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Aalsmeer - Oost, Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, Netherlands is 7.7°C (8:36 PM CET on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling). 19:38 eythian ...that is just past the airport. 19:39 oleonard hector do you work for a library or a support company? 19:39 eythian @wunder Amsterdam centraal 19:39 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found. 19:39 hector I'm librarian in Universidad de El Salvador 19:42 hector oleonard: That's why I sometimes do some weird questions 19:42 pianohacker rangi: been talking to bag about 3.22 performance; he mentioned something about reloading the schema. Is that referring to the initial startup cost, or what? 19:42 hector please be please be patient with me 19:43 bag of course hector 19:43 bag and welcome :) 19:43 hector thank you :) 19:44 rangi pianohacker: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15341#c5 and https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15350 19:44 huginn 04Bug 15341: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Performance - Retrieve all sysprefs at once 19:44 huginn 04Bug 15350: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, NEW , DBIx::Class Startup speed 19:44 oleonard wiki updated: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#JS4:_Use_the_format.28.29_method_to_join_variables_with_translatable_strings 19:45 rangi the graph on 15350 is interesting 19:46 bag yup 19:46 rangi thats the startup cost of creating the schema object, I think under plack we do that way more than we should .. (we cant really avoid it under cgi) 19:46 pianohacker hmm 19:46 rangi i think it needs more investigation anyway 19:47 bag yeah 19:47 rangi certainly the more we use dbix::class the slower things get 19:47 rangi what we need to know is are we doing it wrong .. or is this just a cost of db independence, in which case .. are we sure want to keep doing it 19:47 rangi etc 19:49 bag ok the really important question - should I get lunch now? and what should I eat? 19:50 bag I think I’ll have an iced espresso and then figure out that answer 19:51 pianohacker burrito 19:51 pianohacker rangi: do you know offhand how to get the NYTProf plack debugging thing to work? 19:52 rangi havent tried in a while, i'd drop joubu or tcohen a mail 19:52 pianohacker kk 19:59 oleonard Bye #koha 20:02 * cait waves at hector 20:02 hector Hi cait 20:05 pianohacker rangi: crazy idea I had that would require a bit of perl hacking; load stubs for all of the resultsets that only load the actual Result/*.pm's on demand? 20:06 bag the wind and rain outside is pretty intense on the windows in this tower 20:13 rangi hmm that might work 20:14 pianohacker I'm also trying to figure out why Koha::Database::_new_schema is called on every page load 20:16 bag seems unnessicary 20:16 rangi yes 20:19 * magnuse waves at all the cool people 20:21 pianohacker GAH 20:22 pianohacker C4::Auth::BEGIN -> C4::Context->preference -> C4::Context->dbh -> Koha::Database->schema({ new => 1 }) :( 20:22 pianohacker is that new => 1 really necessary? 20:23 pianohacker hm, I may be being confused by dead code 20:35 nuentoter testing out things and when I goto check out an item, i find the patron, enter the item barcode and click checkout, it tells me barcode does not exist. I look up the item and the barcode box is empty but when I click edit the barcode is there..... help? 20:39 cait nuentoter: interesting 20:39 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 20:40 cait could you check your koha-to-marc-mappings? 20:41 kidclamp nuentoter - just to check, is the barcode in the barcode field? I have often hit my head againast a barcode in the callnumber field 20:41 cait also that yes :) 20:41 nuentoter let me check right now, 20:47 nuentoter hmmmm In my koha to marc mapping it has barcode as 852 p when i believe it should be 952 p right? if this is the case why is it even displaying one at all? my imported records have nothing in the 852 line, i swapped it all over to 952 20:49 cait some displays look up the mapping 20:49 cait others might look in items.barcode 20:49 cait s items.barcode mapped for the koha link? 20:49 cait it should be 952 - so your search works 20:50 nuentoter im sorry what do you mean? 20:51 cait hm things i'd do 20:51 cait - remap to 952p 20:51 cait also check the items table in your database to see where your barcode ended up 20:53 cait the database field is configured in the bibliographic marc framework - koha link - it maps items columsn to 952 subfields 20:53 nuentoter yeah just remapped it properly, when i set up the framework I had very little idea of the convoluted mess winnebago was going to give me with all the records, and I was also unnaware of many things 20:53 pianohacker rangi/bag: proposed slight improvement on bug 15350 20:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15350 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, NEW , DBIx::Class Startup speed 20:55 rangi cool 20:59 bag looking pianohacker 20:59 nuentoter everything looks ok in database and the rest of the matching stuff to me. 21:00 cait so the barcode column is filled? hm 21:01 nuentoter I missed an entire framework when importing stuff, didnt map anything for the dvds/vhs's 21:01 nuentoter seems ok now, just to find another error ..... not having a good day lol 21:01 nuentoter no cranchcode arguement 21:01 nuentoter no branchcode arguement 21:02 cait did you set a and b to the branchcode? 21:03 tcohen hi 21:03 wahanui hola, tcohen 21:03 tcohen hi cait 21:03 tcohen @seen mtompset 21:03 huginn tcohen: mtompset was last seen in #koha 6 days, 0 hours, 18 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mtompset> Have a good day, #koha. 21:11 nuentoter ok so i've never messed with branch code except during initial setup and I set it under admin to our one branch. but I have not done anything concerning branchcodes to the items ... where can i edit that? 21:20 cait maybe batchediting 21:20 cait ? 21:21 cait homebranch and holdingbranch 21:21 wahanui homebranch and holdingbranch are two different fields. 21:33 gmcharlt howdy folks, please meet my newest colleague, barbara, who will be working with us as a project manager 21:34 tcohen hi barbara! 21:35 cait hi barbara :) 21:35 barbara Howdy! 21:36 nuentoter hello barbara 21:44 bag hey barbara 21:54 pianohacker hi barbara 21:58 hector Bye #koha 22:01 pianohacker tcohen: have you had a chance to retest bug 13805? It'd be really nice to revert that patch if we safely can 22:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13805 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Installer does not work under Plack 22:04 tcohen i can retest it 22:14 cait hector++ ... for gazillions of sign-offs 22:18 tcohen pianohacker: you noticed that file only applies to source installs, right? 22:19 tcohen i.e. is not what people use 22:22 pianohacker tcohen: the syspref cache is also disabled in debian/templates/plack.psgi 22:23 pianohacker tcohen: and based on the timeline, the above was created from misc/plack/koha.psgi after bug 13805 was committed 22:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13805 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Installer does not work under Plack 22:23 pianohacker so if we can remove it from both places it could be a big win 22:23 tcohen yes, AND when writing the file, I ommited the line that resets the sysprefs cache on each request 22:24 tcohen that's still a difference between them 22:24 pianohacker does that make a difference if the sysprefs cache is disabled to begin with? 22:32 tcohen of course not, but we need to add it 22:34 pianohacker tcohen: oh, okay. I think I get what you're saying. According to Joubu in https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13805#c4 , though, that doesn't work? 22:34 huginn 04Bug 13805: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Installer does not work under Plack 22:34 pianohacker (Thank you for your patience, we're beating our heads against a many-headed performance beast :( ) 22:37 tcohen pianohacker: np 22:38 cait bug report against 3.8...? 22:38 cait bug 15948 22:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15948 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Checked in books being checked back into last patron 22:40 cait hi lucio 22:41 cait hm scaredhim away? 22:43 tcohen bye #koha 22:46 eythian geez cait 22:46 eythian so unwelcoming 22:47 cait hmpf 22:59 tcohen cait: do u have a beer? 23:00 tcohen jaegermeister? 23:00 cait virtual jaegermeister? 23:00 cait sounds doable 23:00 tcohen well, i'm not sure how you'll do it 23:00 tcohen but please, enjoy and happy birthday! 23:00 tcohen confetti! 23:00 wahanui somebody said confetti was http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif 23:00 cait :D 23:00 tcohen confetti! 23:00 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 23:01 cait thx tcohen :) 23:05 irma g'day cait :-) We are sending your arms full of sunshine from Downunder, just for you ;-) 23:06 cait thx Irma! :) 23:06 eythian that's just going to stop everyone sleeping, irma :) 23:06 cait i will save it for tomorow 23:06 irma go to sleep eythian! 23:06 cait ... well for *day time* 23:06 irma ;-) 23:07 eythian heh 23:07 * Francesca is tired 23:07 eythian when this ST:TNG episode is finished I will 23:07 Francesca uni is very chaotic 23:07 Francesca ohhh star trek 23:07 Francesca I love star trek 23:09 eythian I've been watching all of TNG lately. Up to season 6. 23:10 ibeardslee TNG .. isn't that like destroying Doctor Who by making new 'Season 1, 2' etc? 23:16 Francesca nope 23:16 Francesca TNG is actually really good 23:19 eythian /kick ibeardslee heathen 23:29 aleisha Francesca, if you have nothing to do I have something you might like 23:29 Francesca ohh what is it? I'm at uni today but I'll be in friday and possibly tomorrow as well 23:30 aleisha all good it's not urgent 23:30 aleisha bug 15825 23:31 Francesca hmmm huggin not responding 23:31 Francesca @wunder wlg 23:32 aleisha i thought it would be really straight forward but i think theres some css stuff happening and its probably better for you than for me :) 23:32 aleisha what happened to the bots 23:32 Francesca I dunno 23:32 aleisha anyway, https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15825 if you're interested :) 23:33 Francesca seems pretty straight forward - I'll take a better look at it next time I'm at catalyst 23:33 aleisha sounds good 23:33 Francesca how are you finding your first week at vic? 23:34 pianohacker hi galen 23:35 pianohacker thanks galen 23:35 pianohacker @later tell Joubu could I ask you to clarify your "doesn't work" on bug 13757? 23:35 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded. 23:36 aleisha good! a lot to take in 23:37 pianohacker @later tell Joubu also, you said that clearing the sysprefs cache before each request doesn't work on https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13805 Do you know if that's still the case? tcohen suggested that as a much preferable alternative to bug 13805 23:37 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded. 23:37 huginn 04Bug 13805: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Installer does not work under Plack 23:37 Francesca i can imagine 23:37 Francesca hey the bots are back 23:37 Francesca @wunder wlf 23:37 huginn Francesca: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found 23:37 pianohacker @wunder 80401 23:37 Francesca @wunder wlg 23:37 huginn pianohacker: The current temperature in 16 1/2 St & Washington Ave, Golden, Colorado is 11.3°C (4:37 PM MST on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 23:37 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (12:30 PM NZDT on March 02, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 23:37 * pianohacker wants summer 23:38 aleisha pianohacker: i just got your messages from like 2 weeks ago about bug 15531 23:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15531 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Add support for standing orders 23:38 Francesca hey pianohacker: if you want summer you could always come and visit (koha exchange programme anyone?) 23:39 pianohacker aleisha: cool :) from the sounds of it, you've just started college? if so, I totally understand that you're not focused on Koha bugs 23:39 aleisha just started uni 23:39 aleisha but ive been here almost every day working on bugs, the messages only just delivered for some reason 23:40 Francesca aleisha: enjoy the first week while you can 23:40 Francesca once tutorials and assingments start rolling 23:40 eythian after the first week it's all sleeping in and drunken parties 23:40 Francesca free time dwindles into not a lot 23:41 pianohacker @yank 17 23:41 huginn pianohacker: 62.6 23:41 Francesca @yank? 23:41 huginn Francesca: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 23:41 aleisha eythian sounds good 23:41 pianohacker Francesca: a converter to american freedom units 23:41 Francesca ah 23:41 Francesca cool 23:41 pianohacker (because I cannot internalize celsius for some reason) 23:42 Francesca hahaha 23:42 Francesca come visit us and you shall have summer 23:43 pianohacker we just need to get another KohaCon there :) 23:43 Francesca that'd be cool 23:49 aleisha pianohacker, i got a problem with updating the db with bug 15531 23:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15531 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Add support for standing orders 23:50 pianohacker aleisha: what'd it say? 23:50 aleisha ERROR 1060 (42S21) at line 1: Duplicate column name 'is_standing' 23:50 rangi hmm looks like its already been run? 23:51 aleisha oh okay 23:52 pianohacker aleisha: yup. khall claims to have magical SQL that can prevent that, but for most atomicupdates like this, rerunning will output a spurious error 23:53 aleisha most of the tests pass now, except for standingorders.t and close_reopen_basket.t 23:53 aleisha oh wait no ignore me 23:53 aleisha only standingorders.t is failing 23:54 pianohacker aleisha: could you pastebin the output of prove -v .../standingorders.t? 23:55 aleisha http://paste.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz/fc1782#5HK0YtnQU+xhdCpubHdKeg== 23:55 pianohacker aleisha: can't access that site, unfortunately 23:56 aleisha http://pastebin.com/MDhRpv7N 23:57 pianohacker ah, bugnuts. thanks aleisha, I'll take a look 23:57 aleisha sweet :)