Time  Nick               Message
22:32 huginn`            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13542 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Subscripton is only table to store userid instead of borrowernumber
22:32 cait               looking for comments on bug 13542 .. :)
22:24 drojf1             good night #koha
21:43 drojf1             can we have .onion as a default? ;)
21:42 * eythian          &
21:42 rangi              :)
21:41 * drojf1           goes all crypto on koha
21:41 drojf1             i have a patch to automatically set up a .onion domain (tor network) for the opac too
21:38 cait               it's probably time again to revisit some of the defaults
21:38 wizzyrea           I know he really wants more email :P
21:38 rangi              gmcharlt_: no objections to that?
21:38 rangi              *nod*
21:38 wizzyrea           probably gmcharlt would be a better endpoint?
21:38 drojf1             great :D
21:38 drojf1             ah
21:38 rangi              we should change that
21:38 eythian            drojf1: no biggie, they go to catalyst so I can't see them
21:37 rangi              hmm i think they probably are bouncing too
21:37 drojf1             eythian: you are still the default contact for debian scripts in BZ. i hope you enjoy my emails (and maybe that should be changed?)
21:37 * barton           goes in search of cheesy commestibles.
21:37 wizzyrea           you should because I think we all need to see you in a dutch cheesemonger outfit.
21:37 cait               !
21:37 cait               you can go back
21:36 wizzyrea           I mean that's a perennial thing
21:36 eythian            cait: i didn't, sorry
21:36 eythian            I know where you can get some
21:36 cait               pleas tell me you dressed up and got a photo?
21:36 wizzyrea           now I want cheese.
21:36 barton             good meeting, cait.
21:35 wizzyrea           ^.^
21:35 rangi              he was too busy eating cheese
21:35 eythian            yep
21:35 wizzyrea           hehe
21:35 cait               heh, waiting until the meeting ended, eythian?
21:34 eythian            https://blog.kallisti.net.nz/2016/01/amsterdam-cheese-museum/ <-- cait
21:34 jmsasse            cait++
21:34 hbraum             thx cait
21:33 drojf1             cait++
21:33 Joubu              thanks cait
21:33 davidnind          cait++
21:33 cait               thx all for attending
21:33 huginn`            Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/koha_general_irc_meeting_13_january_2016.2016-01-13-20.00.log.html
21:33 huginn`            Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/koha_general_irc_meeting_13_january_2016.2016-01-13-20.00.txt
21:33 huginn`            Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/koha_general_irc_meeting_13_january_2016.2016-01-13-20.00.html
21:33 huginn`            Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 21:33:49 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
21:33 cait               #endmeeting
21:33 cait               #agreed Next IRC meeting will be on February 3, 10 UTC
21:33 drojf1             +1
21:33 magnuse            +1
21:32 wahanui            rumour has it 10 UTC is a good time, but is very early on east coast USA
21:32 cait               10 UTC?
21:32 rangi              +1
21:32 Colinc             +1
21:32 wahanui            i think time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. or generously donated to giving support in #koha but if you need more help faster than we can give it try http://koha-community.org/support/paid/
21:32 cait               what time?
21:32 magnuse            +1
21:32 davidnind          +1
21:32 drojf1             sounds good to me (3rd)
21:31 cait               what about february 3rd?
21:31 cait               drojf1: or first on agenda next time :)
21:31 cait               #info INSTALL.debian, KohaCon17, and KohaCon voting mechanism are postponed to the next meeting
21:31 drojf1             *voting
21:31 drojf1             we will push the voring stuff until the next vote :P
21:30 cait               #topic Next meeting
21:30 cait               we didn't cover INSTALL.debian and KohaCon17, KohaCon voting - so pushing those to next time
21:30 Colinc             yep
21:30 BobB               yes
21:30 drojf1             +1
21:30 davidnind          yep
21:30 rangi              yep
21:30 cait               are people ok with wrapping it up for today?
21:29 drojf1             that's about
21:29 drojf1             ok that sabout it for now
21:29 cait               any more questions?
21:29 huginn`            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations
21:29 cait               #info please help testing the patches for Letsencrypt on bug 15303
21:28 indradg            +1 for backporting
21:28 rangi              drojf++
21:28 magnuse            yeah drojf++
21:28 rangi              yep
21:28 rangi              thats my kids school
21:28 cait               btw drojf++
21:28 rangi              https://obs.library.workbuffer.org/  <-- uses letsencrypt fwiw
21:27 drojf1             i'll try to find out about the package situation
21:27 huginn`            04Bug 15303: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations
21:26 cait               #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15303
21:26 wizzyrea           ^
21:26 rangi              but certainly showing how to install it with Koha, is a great idea
21:26 Joubu              I'll read the patch first :)
21:26 rangi              (ie making a dependency, it needs to be debian packaged before we could that anyway)
21:25 rangi              id wait until its packaged, it's kinda moot at this point ;)
21:25 cait               or has questions? doubts?
21:25 cait               is someone against backporting?
21:25 cait               but we can get an idea about what poeple tend to maybe
21:24 drojf1             true
21:24 cait               jajm is not here tonight, so we can't reall ymake a decision i think
21:24 drojf1             it's not interfering with koha codebase apart from the debian scripts
21:24 drojf1             but if we backport it now we also have more testers and can fix stuff before it may be a default
21:23 drojf1             and some people will use their own certs, etc
21:23 drojf1             it wont work for everyone, that is for sure
21:22 cait               i meant non-default - not optional :)
21:22 drojf1             a default an be overridden of course
21:22 drojf1             oh. it should always be optional!
21:22 cait               i think i didn't phrase it right
21:22 magnuse            make it easy to enable for existing sites and default for new sites
21:22 cait               davidnind: i think it would always be - just thinking about the default setting
21:22 rangi              yeah
21:22 drojf1             i would propose: backport, as optional. and label it experimental maybe, because you need to checkot the client yourself and stuff
21:22 davidnind          I think it needs to be optional, for those behind firewalls
21:21 cait               and think about default for next release?
21:21 cait               maybe: backport but make it optional
21:21 magnuse            +1 to make it default
21:20 drojf1             but in the long run i think it would be good to have this as a default (which can be overidden of course)
21:20 drojf1             i will open another for koha-letsencrypt to do it with existing installations
21:20 wizzyrea           +1 to make it very easy to SSL
21:20 drojf1             the bug is 15303, i added a new patch today and it can be tested (please)
21:19 drojf1             atm you need to checkout from git. i dont know how long this will take until its in the repo
21:19 * magnuse          would vote for getting it into 3.22.x
21:19 drojf1             not in debian yet, beuase there is no package
21:19 cait               i think that hs been the major blocker for backporting - or one of them currently
21:18 cait               drojf1: does it have any new dependencies?
21:18 drojf1             i basically have two questions: 1) it's only debian script changes, can we have it in stable before 3.24 (when it's tested ok)? 2) should it become default eventually, or would that be considered antifeatureish?
21:18 cait               just a warning - if no protests i'd like to move the kohacon voting discussion nd the INSTALL.debian topics to the next meeting
21:18 drojf1             gmcharlt introduced me to eric hellman who is going to look into letsencrypt adoption by library projects for the library freedom project, they are pretty interested in this too
21:17 drojf1             we are running a little late already, i'm trying to make this short. i think it would be good to support letsencrypt as soon as possible
21:17 cait               #topic Let's Encrypt
21:17 cait               moving on :)
21:16 pianohacker        also hi y'all
21:16 cait               any questions?
21:16 cait               #action BobB to schedule the meeting
21:16 wahanui            pianohacker: I forgot report
21:16 pianohacker        wahanui: forget report
21:16 wahanui            BobB: i'm not following you...
21:16 BobB               wahanui, read the manual
21:15 BobB               cool, I'll have another go at scheduling a meeting
21:15 wahanui            i guess report is for Overdues that we want to mail out from the library, not use peoples' emails. It needs to show the patrons' information and just the items that are overdue all on a single page. Each page needs to have one patron only. Can anyone help me with this?
21:15 cait               and report...
21:15 cait               #action bag to ask how much has been raised so far
21:15 bag                I don’t have that - but I can ask Jo and will report for the next meeting
21:15 cait               #info Galen and BobBto write rules for the HLT Grants committee
21:15 BobB               bag do you have any info on how much has been raised at HLT?  I suspect not a lot yet?
21:14 BobB               and write rules for the HLT Grants committee - Galen and I are to do that
21:14 BobB               organise a meeting
21:13 BobB               there are two things to do re fundraising
21:13 cait               #info looking for dates for the next meeting
21:13 bag                thanks ikourmou
21:13 cait               y
21:13 cait               ikourmou: please get in contact if we can help in any wa
21:13 ikourmou           hope to see you in Greece!
21:13 bag                still working on the next meeting
21:13 bag                not much besides - we tried to put together a meeting - but with holidays we weren’t able to find one
21:13 cait               #topic Update from the International Fund Committee
21:12 ikourmou           ok, thank you people for the advice :)
21:12 cait               but i think we need to move on
21:12 cait               i am all fo rit
21:12 cait               heh
21:12 cait               best advertising for kohacon...
21:12 bag                I’m sold can we have kohacon next week?
21:12 cait               #info there are lots of microbreweries in Greece
21:11 Joubu              ikourmou: great :)
21:11 Joubu              rangi: I will try to bring them!
21:11 ikourmou           Jobu: a lot of microbreweries, i hope you will find interesting
21:10 rangi              http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Arrivals
21:10 rangi              but pages like that on the wiki are good to create too, also
21:10 ikourmou           is there anything that you would like sto stress out in general? especially you people that already organised a conference before...
21:10 wizzyrea           that's probably the most important question
21:10 rangi              http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Social  <--- i brought my own
21:10 rangi              heh
21:09 Joubu              Are there good beers in Greece?
21:09 ikourmou           rangi: yes, i've seen that
21:09 rangi              http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/getting-to-ibadan/  <-- a page like that is handy
21:08 cait               ikourmou: any more questions? or questions for ikourmou?
21:08 BobB               cait +1
21:08 cait               #info forgot to add more infos... lots of KohaCon infos in full meeting logs
21:08 cait               i forgot to add #info... but curious people wil read full minutes i hope
21:07 ikourmou           ok, noted (VISA info and invitation letter). thanks
21:07 BobB               thanks ikourmou, I will wait patiently
21:06 ikourmou           BobB: I 'll see what we can do :)
21:06 rangi              (it helps with some people getting a VISA)
21:06 rangi              so having a letter you can sign and scan is handy too
21:06 BobB               ikourmou I would like a scholarship to attend the conference please, $5k should do it :)
21:05 wizzyrea           does greece ... yeah that
21:05 rangi              also, for some people they make ask you for an invitation letter
21:05 rangi              and maybe a link to VISA requirements etc
21:05 rangi              really helpful
21:05 BobB               the conference should be accessible for librarians and newbies; very technical presentations can be left to the hackfest
21:05 rangi              I have always found a page, that lists airports close
21:05 ikourmou           especially for people oustide the EU?
21:05 magnuse            #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
21:04 ikourmou           Is there something we should take care of, regarding travel arrangements?
21:04 drojf1             sleeping in ++
21:04 ikourmou           another question:
21:04 rangi              that makes sense to me
21:04 ikourmou           we were thinking of placing "introductory" presentations in the morning sessions, leaving the more specialised ones for the afternoon
21:03 cait               can still extend if necessary
21:03 cait               oh, and set a deadline - i think i tmakes people actually write abstracts
21:03 rangi              and having too many presentations will be a new and exciting problem to solve :)
21:03 cait               maybe worry, once the papers come in :)
21:03 irma               single track conferences ++
21:03 rangi              having said all this .. it's never been a problem in the past
21:03 cait               having some kind of discussion/roundtable thing or question and answers is also good to fill slots
21:03 rangi              however, sometimes you can ask if someone would rather present as part of the hackfest
21:02 wahanui            que tal, magnuse
21:02 magnuse            bag: HI
21:02 cait               :)
21:02 fredericd          #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil
21:02 cait               yeah... having to pick... aah
21:02 irma               that would not be my choice ... parallel sessions
21:02 rangi              i think single track conferences are so so so much better than multi track
21:02 rangi              :)
21:02 rangi              which is kinda horrible imho
21:01 BobB               if you have the capacity, you can run parallel sessions too
21:01 drojf1             or make them collaborate ;)
21:00 rangi              after that, we had enough :)
21:00 bag                magnuse: knuckles
21:00 drojf1             you may get a lot of papers from a single institution, who you could ask to share slots. if you got the same topic covered by a library and a support provider, choose the library
21:00 ikourmou           ok, i will note this - hadn't thought of it :-)
21:00 rangi              so it's easy to drop those ones out
21:00 rangi              we got a lot of proposals, then a lot couldn't come
21:00 rangi              when i ran kohacon10
20:59 rangi              but one question to ask is, are you definitely coming
20:59 rangi              that's up to you
20:59 ikourmou           or should we try to fit them all to the schedule?
20:59 ikourmou           if we get to many proposals for presentations, what is the best way to choose?
20:58 ikourmou           and another question:
20:57 wizzyrea           otherwise you're leaving it up to me :)
20:57 wizzyrea           stuff = a url, specific copy you'd like there
20:57 ikourmou           thanks, drojf1, that was my next question
20:57 wizzyrea           ikourmou: please let me know when  you have stuff for the community kohacon16 page
20:57 BobB               yes, very good
20:56 ikourmou           BobB: will do again with the webpage address, thx
20:56 BobB               keep doing it, just sayin'
20:56 ikourmou           BobB: already sent to koha mailing list and to koha news
20:55 drojf1             ikourmou: i think it is not uncommon to get a few people from the community to help decide on the presentations once the call for papers is over. if you need help with that feel free to ask
20:55 BobB               re the conference dates, an early announcement to the mailing list is always good - announce early and announce often
20:55 cait               cool :)
20:55 rangi              cool
20:54 ikourmou           yes, that's what we were thinking
20:54 cait               ikourmou: i think if you have some specific topics oyu'd like to get presntations about you could put that in the cfp, but laeave it open for other ideas as well?
20:54 ikourmou           ok, i understand
20:53 rangi              if that makes sense
20:53 rangi              if they can say "theres a presentation about linked data and Koha .. we want to do that" to their boss ;)
20:53 rangi              to attend
20:53 ikourmou           you mean a more specific program than i mentioned above, i suppose
20:53 rangi              often it makes it easier for people to get funding
20:52 ikourmou           ok, it could be done by next week
20:52 cait               and also with an idea about the program, more people might register - not sure
20:52 cait               or it's easier for them
20:52 cait               some people onl yget funding for travel if they get to speak
20:51 cait               I think getting out the cfp would be highest prio now
20:51 ikourmou           aso, when would we start accepting registrations?
20:50 ikourmou           ok, there are some thoughts on presentation subjects from the organising team here
20:50 rangi              it's nice to get as many local presentations as you can too
20:50 cait               i think you can probably keep it simple :)
20:50 rangi              apart from, should be Koha related :)
20:49 rangi              nope
20:49 ikourmou           do we have to specify subjects in advance?
20:49 cait               i think probably put it on the website, but alos send to the mailing lists
20:49 cait               hm you could look at how it was done the last years maybe
20:49 ikourmou           what is the best way to deal with it?
20:48 ikourmou           there will be a call for presentations i suppose
20:48 JesseM             ikourmou++
20:48 ikourmou           I would like to ask you people for a couple of things...
20:47 ikourmou           and the webpage for the Kohacon16 will be live next week
20:47 ikourmou           the venue is already booked
20:47 ikourmou           and then teo days for the hackfest
20:47 ikourmou           3 first days of presentations, then a day off for a roadtrip for sightseeing
20:46 cait               #info dates are set - may 30 - june 4
20:46 ikourmou           to 4th of june
20:46 davidnind          #info David Nind, Wellington, NZ
20:46 ikourmou           from 30th of may
20:46 ikourmou           the dates are set
20:46 ikourmou           we are working on the ocnference, we started with forming a committee
20:46 wizzyrea           #info Liz Rea, Catalyst
20:45 cait               I think we are all curious for an update :)
20:45 ikourmou           i'm here!
20:45 cait               ikourmou?
20:45 cait               #topic KohaCon16 - Greece
20:45 bag                thanks khall
20:45 khall              agreed, let's move on
20:44 khall              it will hopefully be a grand unification theory for Koha circ rules
20:44 cait               i'd lke to move up a topic - Kohacon16
20:44 khall              hbraum: yes!
20:44 hbraum             yw! the overall development scope of the project will also help branch specific circ-related rules get applied through this, right khall?
20:44 khall              going once
20:44 cait               full agenda tonight, but i don't want to rush youtoo much :)
20:43 cait               ok, any more ideas or can we move on?
20:43 cait               for libraries with only 150 and less rules too :)
20:43 cait               hbraum: nekls++ btw for sponsoring - much needed
20:43 barton             In design discussions, we talked about making the lookup available on the circ page too, just for reference.
20:42 hbraum             rangi ha! no kidding.
20:42 Joubu              bag: heh, we have found what you wanted
20:42 bag                more time to signoff!!!
20:42 khall              I think that should definitely be built in
20:41 rangi              70% of support queuries gone :)
20:41 cait               #idea have a script that gives you the circ conditions for branch, itemtype and patron category entered
20:41 khall              rangi: you're reading my mind ; ) We've discussed that idea
20:41 rangi              why was this book issued for 4 weeks .. oh it used this rule
20:41 rangi              that script could then have a web frontend put on it later, so librarians could choose from a drop down, and see what rule would be applied .. rather than having to read everything
20:41 barton             khall: I've got most of that written.
20:40 khall              rangi: agreed, unit tests ++
20:40 rangi              and prove it hasn't suddenly changed
20:40 rangi              run that again
20:40 rangi              then you can change the internals
20:40 rangi              first thing id do is create a script where you can pass a itemtype, categorycode and branch, and get back what the rule applied would be
20:40 khall              this would be a table too, so very sortable
20:40 cait               if there is no longer a need for it... that might be not too bad
20:40 cait               that's what we do now - because you can make it sortable
20:39 cait               it will be a bit harder to get a nice excel sheet out :)
20:39 khall              The first step is to change the internals without changing the externals. If anyone has an issue with the proposed schema please let us know asap
20:38 bag                yeah 1200 lines is crazy
20:38 cait               #action khall asked nicely to add another mock-up for an overview kind of page
20:38 hbraum             and looking at the current mockup, a second screen overview would be helpful, I agree.
20:38 andreashm          hbraum: ouch
20:38 khall              cait: yes, I can do that
20:38 * andreashm        would like that too
20:38 hbraum             my consortia is sponsoring this development, although i’m very much letting pianohacker and khall take the reins on this. we’ve currently got 1200 issuingrule lines, so they have a good test case for lots of rules already.
20:38 cait               to get a better idea?
20:38 cait               khall: could youmaybe mock up the second screen too?
20:38 barton             cait -- how would you feel about some sort of explicit 'compare circ rules' functionality?
20:37 BobB               :)  well done!
20:37 indradg            BobB: 2:10 am
20:37 khall              thanks!
20:37 khall              andreashm: that is what the second screen I propose will take care of
20:37 andreashm          khall: that seems like a good approach
20:37 BobB               like middle of the night?
20:37 BobB               indradg it must be early for you!
20:36 andreashm          I have read the RFC... I'm a bit concerned that having a lot of issuing rules will make this new appoach hard to overview
20:36 khall              I think a second screen that gives a matrix of types categories and libraries with what the rule will be ( and where that rule is coming from ) would be a good companion
20:36 ikourmou           #info Giannis Kourmoulis, Thessaloniki Greece
20:36 cait               i am not sure how that would work with the mock up
20:36 khall              cait: that's already on my list!
20:36 Joubu              I think we need oleonard :)
20:35 khall              this approach doesn't jive all that well with a table based approach
20:35 cait               I'd like something where I can easily compare rules for different itemtypes or different categories
20:35 khall              cait: we already have a table like thing ; ) The primary goal is to move to a more flexible approach that allows for simpler rule sets
20:35 indradg            #info Indranil Das Gupta, India.
20:35 cait               but that's me
20:35 cait               I think i am slightly in favour of a more table like thing ot be honest
20:35 khall              I think this is very important in the long term as our movement to increasing amounts of circ rules has maid the current interface untenable
20:34 bag                yes
20:34 tubaclarinet       rfc = request for comment?
20:34 khall              if you've already read it and have any questions now, I'm here to field them
20:34 khall              anyone who is interested please read the rfc
20:34 khall              We'd really like to nail down any issues with the circ rules revamp if there are any
20:33 cait               #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Circulation_Rules_Interface_and_Backend_Revamp_RFC
20:33 bag                khall ^^^
20:33 cait               #topic Comments on Circ Rules Revamp
20:33 bag                nice
20:33 cait               moving on to the next?
20:32 cait               #agreed Martin Renvoize joins the QA team for 3.24 - 12 yes votes
20:32 andreashm          and misspelled. =)
20:32 andreashm          ah, damn, to late
20:32 andreashm          #vore yes
20:32 Colinc             #vote yes
20:32 huginn`            yes (10): Joubu, davidnind, cait, jmsasse, barton, BobB, khall, bag, hbraum, drojf
20:32 huginn`            Voted on "Are you ok with ashimema joining the QA team for 3.24?" Results are
20:32 cait               #endvote
20:31 cait               ending vote...
20:31 BobB               #vote Yes
20:31 hbraum             #vote yes
20:31 bag                #vote yes
20:31 jmsasse            #vote yes
20:31 drojf              #vote yes
20:31 barton             #vote yes
20:31 khall              #vote yes
20:31 davidnind          #vote yes
20:30 Joubu              #vote yes
20:30 cait               #vote yes
20:30 huginn`            Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
20:30 huginn`            Begin voting on: Are you ok with ashimema joining the QA team for 3.24? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
20:30 cait               #startvote Are you ok with ashimema joining the QA team for 3.24? (yes,no)
20:30 bag                +1
20:30 cait               some other thing I'd like to get done - ashimema has volunteered to join the QA team again (yay!) - so i'd like to do a quick vote to see if we can make this happen :)
20:29 tubaclarinet       faq section = :-)
20:29 cait               if you see... ... that did not work, because...
20:29 cait               about problems
20:29 barton             good idea tubaclarinet.
20:29 cait               maybe we could add an faq section to the wiki page
20:29 tubaclarinet       FWIW
20:29 tubaclarinet       Please include in the video troubleshooting like symptoms of the wrong database, etc.
20:28 cait               a webinar might work too
20:28 barton             +1 for video
20:28 cait               #idea organize a test day where libraries can pick bugs to test before and help them testing them (setting up sandboxes, fixing conflicts)
20:28 bag                cool I’ll ask nicole to create a video
20:28 barton             nengard has been looking at 'guide on the side' for training/documentation purposes, but I think that we could use it for testing as well
20:28 cait               #idea create a tutorial video about setting up a sandbox, testing and signing off with it
20:27 cait               hm a tutorial video is a good idea!
20:27 tubaclarinet       I know there's <http://bywatersolutions.com/2013/11/29/koha-sandboxes/> but a video of it would be stellar!
20:27 bag                once I am not traveling so much - I’ll be trying some virtual “help” too
20:27 andreashm          setting up sandboxes sounds like a good wau to make sign-offs easier
20:27 cait               ok, one last thing :)
20:26 bag                cool :) noted
20:26 cait               helping people to set up sandboxes for bugs they have picked before
20:26 cait               bag: maybe organizing a test day like lyon did could help
20:25 cait               :)
20:24 bag                and will be putting an appeal to the librarians that work with bywater
20:24 huginn`            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15570 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , circ/renew.pl is broken
20:24 Joubu              bug 15570 affects stable releases
20:24 cait               i think one problem is that we have a lot of hard to test things - architecture and internals
20:23 bag                I am working on getting more bywater peeps to do sign-offs (getting the right tools inplace first)
20:23 bag                also I am completely open to anyone that has ideas on promotion of more sign-offers :)
20:23 wahanui            hmmm... anything else is just being crap
20:23 cait               anything else?
20:23 cait               #info please help with good testing and speedy sign off for evil bugs: 15358, 6657 (authorities) and 15568 (admin)
20:22 bag                cool
20:22 khall              on the list
20:22 Joubu              (which is not really major)
20:22 huginn`            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15568 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Circ rules are not displayed anymore
20:22 Joubu              There is bug 15568 too
20:21 khall              can do
20:21 cait               authority merge and authority add broken
20:21 bag                hmm maybe both of those khall
20:21 cait               so we can get that fixed for the next maintenance releases
20:21 khall              will do!
20:21 bag                khall: can you ask nick to take a look at that one?
20:21 cait               Are in need for good testing and speedy sign-off please
20:20 bag                I’ll ask nick to test that
20:20 huginn`            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6657 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Making 999 visible in framework duplicates 999 entry and affects index
20:20 cait               bug 6657
20:20 Joubu              that's a bad on
20:20 bag                yes saw that - it’s a blocker
20:20 huginn`            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15358 blocker, P1 - high, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , merge.pl does not populate values to merge
20:20 cait               bug 15358
20:20 cait               sec
20:20 cait               i got 2 things i already told while disconnected (noone saw) :)
20:19 huginn`            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
20:19 cait               #info XSS patches on bug 13618 should be pushed soon - will have all to look out for bugs
20:19 bag                ok that’s really it from me.  any questions?
20:19 cait               ok back :)
20:19 cait1              and +1 for adding the expected version to the RM push notes on bugs
20:18 cait1              hm let me try to remember
20:18 drojf              you can kill it if you have a password
20:18 rangi              :)
20:18 rangi              the nick still exists
20:18 bag                yeah whoops
20:18 rangi              which doesn't actually help
20:18 rangi              we can only kick it from the channel
20:18 rangi              it needs to timeout/fall off
20:18 cait1              ugh
20:18 rangi              we cant
20:18 cait1              we need to kill the othe rcait
20:17 cait1              hm already exists
20:17 rangi              i think you need to get your nick back before you can continue the meeting cait1
20:17 bag                yes it is the same as the catalyst repo currently
20:17 bag                hmmm something to do with how gmcharlt_ set up the permissions
20:17 Joubu              (rebased I meant)
20:16 cait1              reading back now quickly
20:16 cait1              sorry, i lost connection to IRC
20:16 Joubu              it is the same as the one on the catalyst repo, right?
20:16 cait1              test
20:16 Joubu              Why is the branch called new?
20:16 bag                would be great to get it stable
20:16 bag                yes it’s unstable - I want to work on that in the next couple of weeks.  I was waiting for tcohen to come back so I can learn more about Jenkins - then I’m sure we’ll have some spots to attack
20:15 bag                it’s pretty close to master and I will work on trying to make sure that branch is close to current
20:15 Joubu              (I don't have the numbers, sorry)
20:14 Joubu              master is quite unstable at the moment, but we have patches in the queue
20:14 huginn`            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha
20:14 bag                bug 12478
20:14 bag                we also Created Elastic Search branch for easy testing.  ( http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new_12478_elasticsearch )
20:13 bag                Patches - it's all fair game now.  Anything that is passed QA is a candidate to be pushed
20:13 Joubu              when you have it, but you don't know where :)
20:13 rangi              dont forget you have the release notes text area now too
20:13 bag                currently my goal is to keep the PQA queue low
20:13 bag                cool it was brought to my attention that it was sort of hard to go back a few years and see a message “that was pushed to master”  but when?  heh
20:13 Joubu              bag: yep good idea
20:12 rangi              not nope to that bag ;-)
20:12 rangi              that was nope to bag, no objections to changing the text
20:12 Joubu              :)
20:12 rangi              nope
20:12 Joubu              but at least if it's pushed not to close to the release, we will have time to get them!
20:12 bag                yeah Joubu I think there are going to be some - I will be cautious when pushing - but would like that early early in the release cycle :)
20:11 Joubu              bag: we will certainly found some others when pushed
20:11 irma               #info Irma, CALYX Sydney : sorry I am late
20:11 Joubu              bag: it's a very hard one, cait found bugs when I was sure there were not...
20:11 wahanui            bag: that doesn't look right
20:11 bag                Change in the wording on the bug (when changing the status to pushed to master).  I want to put (Pushed to Master - Should be in the May 2016 release)  - any objections?
20:10 bag                sweet
20:10 khall              excellent!
20:10 cait               I am on it, I think it's pretty close now
20:10 bag                qa team that would be awesome if we nudge that along
20:10 huginn`            04Bug 13618: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
20:10 bag                I am really interested in XSS patches from Joubu ( needs QA http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 )
20:09 bag                Jenkins (once tcohen is back in the office I will spend sometime with him so we can get master stable again)
20:09 cait               yep please start bag
20:09 rangi              i think wizzyrea is still on the bus
20:09 bag                I have some - should I go first?
20:09 cait               jajm, wizzyrea, fredericd? bag?
20:08 wahanui            it has been said that catmandu is pretty super awesome
20:08 andreashm          oh catmandu
20:08 cait               #topic Update on releases
20:08 cait               moving on!
20:08 bag                :)
20:08 drojf              or in greece, depends
20:07 cait               :)
20:07 drojf              there may be a catmandu workshop
20:07 cait               moving on?
20:07 cait               #info Pre-KohaCon meeting in Berlin has room secured - only one short day now (Thursday)
20:06 Joubu              rangi: ok great :)
20:06 wahanui            rumour has it both is best :)
20:06 rangi              Joubu: both please
20:06 rangi              if you do a search in bugs for that keyword, you will find them ;)
20:06 Joubu              rangi: to signoff, submit a patch or both?
20:06 rangi              yep
20:06 rangi              if that makes sense
20:06 bag                are there currently any that are marked?
20:05 rangi              but id rather have more, even if we go, oh thats too hard, than have only a few to pick from
20:05 drojf              i got feedback for the pre-kohacon meeting in berlin. there is only one short day now (thursday)
20:05 wahanui            anything else is just being crap
20:05 cait               anything else?
20:05 cait               :)
20:05 rangi              yeah, preferably don't touch the db ;)
20:05 cait               ok = not too hard to fix?
20:05 cait               #info next week is group work week for the academy at Catalyst IT - please add the academy keyword to any bugs you think would be ok for them to look at
20:04 rangi              please add the keyword Academy in the keyword field to any bugs that you think might be ok for them to look at
20:04 rangi              next week is the group work for the academy
20:04 wahanui            anyone is free to organize one at any time :-)
20:04 cait               anyone...
20:04 tubaclarinet       #info Christopher Davis, Uintah County Library, Utah, USA
20:04 cait               anyony any announcements?
20:03 cait               #topic Announcements
20:03 cait               ok, let's move on  to our first topic for tonight :)
20:03 barton_kohameeting #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville KY USA
20:02 rangi              #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, NZ
20:02 cait               nice!
20:02 cait               :)
20:02 jmsasse            #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek, USA
20:02 andreashm          #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library
20:02 hbraum             #info Heather Braum, NEKLS/NExpress, Lawrence, KS, USA
20:02 Joubu              #info Jonathan Druart, UK
20:02 khall              #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions
20:02 cait               #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
20:02 blou               #info Philippe Blouin, inLibro
20:02 drojf              #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
20:02 Colinc             #info Colin Campbell, ptfs-europe
20:02 bag                #info Brendan Gallagher - ByWater Solutions
20:01 BobB               #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia
20:01 blou               #blou, a bot not quite so sentient
20:01 JesseM             #info Jesse Maseto - ByWater, USA
20:01 cait               please introduce yourself like wahanui just did, using #info
20:01 wahanui            #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
20:01 cait               #topic Introductions
20:01 cait               #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_13_January_2016
20:01 cait               today's agenda is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_13_January_2016
20:00 cait               Welcome all!
20:00 huginn`            The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_irc_meeting_13_january_2016'
20:00 huginn`            Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:00 huginn`            Meeting started Wed Jan 13 20:00:50 2016 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:00 JesseM             :) coffee
20:00 cait               #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016
20:00 cait               everyone has his  coffee/beer/beverage of choice ready?
19:56 cait               bye oleonard
19:55 oleonard           Sorry to miss the meeting. See y'all later.
19:55 huginn`            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15169 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Add for NORMARC transformation to new metadata formats
19:55 bag                bug 15169
19:55 bag                sweet thanks magnuse
19:54 cait               7 mins!
19:53 * andreashm        waves
19:46 bag                w00t
19:45 cait               15 minutes to koha meeting!
19:30 huginn`            New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15337: Make itemtypes retrieved with GetItemTypes ordered by descriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=96ba9a0d6bc37c5a8d8e1edc29f5736230e9d68f> / Bug 15337: Add tests to ensure that GetItemTypes will return element ordered by desc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d33c2bf683f7a4d85531adb27662ddbb03080ae1>
18:10 drojf              meeting in two hours?
17:59 oleonard           How to install phpMyAdmin isn't really a question for a Koha support channel. It would be better to consult the phpMyAdmin documentation
17:58 circ-user-1YnZJ    i want to see its as a tap box
17:58 circ-user-1YnZJ    some where around about koha, koha administrator
17:58 circ-user-1YnZJ    and link its to koha admin page
17:57 circ-user-1YnZJ    yes
17:54 oleonard           circ-user-1YnZJ: Are you asking how to install phpmyadmin on your koha server?
17:48 circ-user-1YnZJ    i jsut want to make an backup database
17:47 circ-user-1YnZJ    ?
17:47 circ-user-1YnZJ    i mean how can i add phpmyadmin to koha
17:42 oleonard           circ-user-1YnZJ: You could add an HTML link to the  IntranetmainUserblock system preference and it would show up on the Koha staff client home page
17:38 circ-user-1YnZJ    do you know how can i add phpmyadmin to koha admin page?
17:37 circ-user-1YnZJ    hello
17:36 huginn`            eythian: The current temperature in Aalsmeerderbrug, Aalsmeerderbrug, Netherlands is 5.0°C (6:30 PM CET on January 13, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
17:36 eythian            @wunder Amsterdam, nl
16:00 reiveune           bye
14:55 cait               Joubu++ FK patches
14:31 wahanui            cait: Runt packets
14:31 cait               excuse?
14:29 wahanui            cait: user to computer ratio too high.
14:29 cait               excuse?
14:29 wahanui            cait: Sticky bits on disk.
14:29 cait               hm ok, excused ;)
14:29 oleonard           Yes, leaving to pick up the kids from school
14:29 cait               oleonard: driving a car?
14:28 cait               i almost forgot :)
14:28 oleonard           cait++ # for sending the reminder
14:28 oleonard           First IRC meeting since I'm "back" and I'm going to miss it because I'll be in-transit.
13:05 huginn`            oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is -15.8°C (8:05 AM EST on January 13, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
13:05 oleonard           @wunder 45701
12:49 * cait             waves
12:49 druthb             Hi, oleonard!
12:48 oleonard           Hi #koha
10:57 huginn`            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6657 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Making 999 visible in framework duplicates 999 entry and affects index
10:57 huginn`            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15358 blocker, P1 - high, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , merge.pl does not populate values to merge
10:57 Joubu              There are 2 bugs (1 critical and 1 blocker) waiting for signoff: bug 15358 and bug 6657
09:11 huginn`            magnuse: The operation succeeded.
09:11 magnuse            @later tell bag thanks, i have added bug 15169 to my todo list
09:10 * LibraryClaire    waves
09:10 cait               morning Joubu :)
09:00 wahanui            what's up, Joubu
09:00 Joubu              hi
08:47 LibraryClaire      morning #koha
08:36 * magnuse          waves
08:17 cait               morning #koha
08:13 gaetan_B           hello
07:54 jajm               hello
07:52 alex_a             bonjour
07:52 reiveune           hello
07:34 drojf              morning #koha
03:17 Amit_Gupta         hi all
00:36 huginn`            04Bug 15169: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Add for NORMARC transformation to new metadata formats
00:36 huginn`            bag: The operation succeeded.
00:36 bag                @later tell magnuse - any comment on this one?  http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15169