Time Nick Message 00:36 bag @later tell magnuse - any comment on this one? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15169 00:36 huginn` bag: The operation succeeded. 00:36 huginn` 04Bug 15169: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Add for NORMARC transformation to new metadata formats 03:17 Amit_Gupta hi all 07:34 drojf morning #koha 07:52 reiveune hello 07:52 alex_a bonjour 07:54 jajm hello 08:13 gaetan_B hello 08:17 cait morning #koha 08:36 * magnuse waves 08:47 LibraryClaire morning #koha 09:00 Joubu hi 09:00 wahanui what's up, Joubu 09:10 cait morning Joubu :) 09:10 * LibraryClaire waves 09:11 magnuse @later tell bag thanks, i have added bug 15169 to my todo list 09:11 huginn` magnuse: The operation succeeded. 10:57 Joubu There are 2 bugs (1 critical and 1 blocker) waiting for signoff: bug 15358 and bug 6657 10:57 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15358 blocker, P1 - high, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , merge.pl does not populate values to merge 10:57 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6657 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Making 999 visible in framework duplicates 999 entry and affects index 12:48 oleonard Hi #koha 12:49 druthb Hi, oleonard! 12:49 * cait waves 13:05 oleonard @wunder 45701 13:05 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is -15.8°C (8:05 AM EST on January 13, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 14:28 oleonard First IRC meeting since I'm "back" and I'm going to miss it because I'll be in-transit. 14:28 oleonard cait++ # for sending the reminder 14:28 cait i almost forgot :) 14:29 cait oleonard: driving a car? 14:29 oleonard Yes, leaving to pick up the kids from school 14:29 cait hm ok, excused ;) 14:29 wahanui cait: Sticky bits on disk. 14:29 cait excuse? 14:29 wahanui cait: user to computer ratio too high. 14:31 cait excuse? 14:31 wahanui cait: Runt packets 14:55 cait Joubu++ FK patches 16:00 reiveune bye 17:36 eythian @wunder Amsterdam, nl 17:36 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Aalsmeerderbrug, Aalsmeerderbrug, Netherlands is 5.0°C (6:30 PM CET on January 13, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 17:37 circ-user-1YnZJ hello 17:38 circ-user-1YnZJ do you know how can i add phpmyadmin to koha admin page? 17:42 oleonard circ-user-1YnZJ: You could add an HTML link to the IntranetmainUserblock system preference and it would show up on the Koha staff client home page 17:47 circ-user-1YnZJ i mean how can i add phpmyadmin to koha 17:47 circ-user-1YnZJ ? 17:48 circ-user-1YnZJ i jsut want to make an backup database 17:54 oleonard circ-user-1YnZJ: Are you asking how to install phpmyadmin on your koha server? 17:57 circ-user-1YnZJ yes 17:58 circ-user-1YnZJ and link its to koha admin page 17:58 circ-user-1YnZJ some where around about koha, koha administrator 17:58 circ-user-1YnZJ i want to see its as a tap box 17:59 oleonard How to install phpMyAdmin isn't really a question for a Koha support channel. It would be better to consult the phpMyAdmin documentation 18:10 drojf meeting in two hours? 19:30 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15337: Make itemtypes retrieved with GetItemTypes ordered by descriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=96ba9a0d6bc37c5a8d8e1edc29f5736230e9d68f> / Bug 15337: Add tests to ensure that GetItemTypes will return element ordered by desc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d33c2bf683f7a4d85531adb27662ddbb03080ae1> 19:45 cait 15 minutes to koha meeting! 19:46 bag w00t 19:53 * andreashm waves 19:54 cait 7 mins! 19:55 bag sweet thanks magnuse 19:55 bag bug 15169 19:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15169 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Add for NORMARC transformation to new metadata formats 19:55 oleonard Sorry to miss the meeting. See y'all later. 19:56 cait bye oleonard 20:00 cait everyone has his coffee/beer/beverage of choice ready? 20:00 cait #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting 13 January 2016 20:00 JesseM :) coffee 20:00 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jan 13 20:00:50 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:00 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_irc_meeting_13_january_2016' 20:00 cait Welcome all! 20:01 cait today's agenda is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_13_January_2016 20:01 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_13_January_2016 20:01 cait #topic Introductions 20:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 20:01 cait please introduce yourself like wahanui just did, using #info 20:01 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto - ByWater, USA 20:01 blou #blou, a bot not quite so sentient 20:01 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia 20:02 bag #info Brendan Gallagher - ByWater Solutions 20:02 Colinc #info Colin Campbell, ptfs-europe 20:02 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 20:02 blou #info Philippe Blouin, inLibro 20:02 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 20:02 khall #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions 20:02 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, UK 20:02 hbraum #info Heather Braum, NEKLS/NExpress, Lawrence, KS, USA 20:02 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library 20:02 jmsasse #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek, USA 20:02 cait :) 20:02 cait nice! 20:02 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, NZ 20:03 barton_kohameeting #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville KY USA 20:03 cait ok, let's move on to our first topic for tonight :) 20:03 cait #topic Announcements 20:04 cait anyony any announcements? 20:04 tubaclarinet #info Christopher Davis, Uintah County Library, Utah, USA 20:04 cait anyone... 20:04 wahanui anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) 20:04 rangi next week is the group work for the academy 20:04 rangi please add the keyword Academy in the keyword field to any bugs that you think might be ok for them to look at 20:05 cait #info next week is group work week for the academy at Catalyst IT - please add the academy keyword to any bugs you think would be ok for them to look at 20:05 cait ok = not too hard to fix? 20:05 rangi yeah, preferably don't touch the db ;) 20:05 cait :) 20:05 cait anything else? 20:05 wahanui anything else is just being crap 20:05 drojf i got feedback for the pre-kohacon meeting in berlin. there is only one short day now (thursday) 20:05 rangi but id rather have more, even if we go, oh thats too hard, than have only a few to pick from 20:06 bag are there currently any that are marked? 20:06 rangi if that makes sense 20:06 rangi yep 20:06 Joubu rangi: to signoff, submit a patch or both? 20:06 rangi if you do a search in bugs for that keyword, you will find them ;) 20:06 rangi Joubu: both please 20:06 wahanui rumour has it both is best :) 20:06 Joubu rangi: ok great :) 20:07 cait #info Pre-KohaCon meeting in Berlin has room secured - only one short day now (Thursday) 20:07 cait moving on? 20:07 drojf there may be a catmandu workshop 20:07 cait :) 20:08 drojf or in greece, depends 20:08 bag :) 20:08 cait moving on! 20:08 cait #topic Update on releases 20:08 andreashm oh catmandu 20:08 wahanui it has been said that catmandu is pretty super awesome 20:09 cait jajm, wizzyrea, fredericd? bag? 20:09 bag I have some - should I go first? 20:09 rangi i think wizzyrea is still on the bus 20:09 cait yep please start bag 20:09 bag Jenkins (once tcohen is back in the office I will spend sometime with him so we can get master stable again) 20:10 bag I am really interested in XSS patches from Joubu ( needs QA http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 ) 20:10 huginn` 04Bug 13618: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC 20:10 bag qa team that would be awesome if we nudge that along 20:10 cait I am on it, I think it's pretty close now 20:10 khall excellent! 20:10 bag sweet 20:11 bag Change in the wording on the bug (when changing the status to pushed to master). I want to put (Pushed to Master - Should be in the May 2016 release) - any objections? 20:11 wahanui bag: that doesn't look right 20:11 Joubu bag: it's a very hard one, cait found bugs when I was sure there were not... 20:11 irma #info Irma, CALYX Sydney : sorry I am late 20:11 Joubu bag: we will certainly found some others when pushed 20:12 bag yeah Joubu I think there are going to be some - I will be cautious when pushing - but would like that early early in the release cycle :) 20:12 Joubu but at least if it's pushed not to close to the release, we will have time to get them! 20:12 rangi nope 20:12 Joubu :) 20:12 rangi that was nope to bag, no objections to changing the text 20:12 rangi not nope to that bag ;-) 20:13 Joubu bag: yep good idea 20:13 bag cool it was brought to my attention that it was sort of hard to go back a few years and see a message “that was pushed to master†but when? heh 20:13 bag currently my goal is to keep the PQA queue low 20:13 rangi dont forget you have the release notes text area now too 20:13 Joubu when you have it, but you don't know where :) 20:13 bag Patches - it's all fair game now. Anything that is passed QA is a candidate to be pushed 20:14 bag we also Created Elastic Search branch for easy testing. ( http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new_12478_elasticsearch ) 20:14 bag bug 12478 20:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha 20:14 Joubu master is quite unstable at the moment, but we have patches in the queue 20:15 Joubu (I don't have the numbers, sorry) 20:15 bag it’s pretty close to master and I will work on trying to make sure that branch is close to current 20:16 bag yes it’s unstable - I want to work on that in the next couple of weeks. I was waiting for tcohen to come back so I can learn more about Jenkins - then I’m sure we’ll have some spots to attack 20:16 bag would be great to get it stable 20:16 Joubu Why is the branch called new? 20:16 cait1 test 20:16 Joubu it is the same as the one on the catalyst repo, right? 20:16 cait1 sorry, i lost connection to IRC 20:16 cait1 reading back now quickly 20:17 Joubu (rebased I meant) 20:17 bag hmmm something to do with how gmcharlt_ set up the permissions 20:17 bag yes it is the same as the catalyst repo currently 20:17 rangi i think you need to get your nick back before you can continue the meeting cait1 20:17 cait1 hm already exists 20:18 cait1 we need to kill the othe rcait 20:18 rangi we cant 20:18 cait1 ugh 20:18 rangi it needs to timeout/fall off 20:18 rangi we can only kick it from the channel 20:18 rangi which doesn't actually help 20:18 bag yeah whoops 20:18 rangi the nick still exists 20:18 rangi :) 20:18 drojf you can kill it if you have a password 20:18 cait1 hm let me try to remember 20:19 cait1 and +1 for adding the expected version to the RM push notes on bugs 20:19 cait ok back :) 20:19 bag ok that’s really it from me. any questions? 20:19 cait #info XSS patches on bug 13618 should be pushed soon - will have all to look out for bugs 20:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC 20:20 cait i got 2 things i already told while disconnected (noone saw) :) 20:20 cait sec 20:20 cait bug 15358 20:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15358 blocker, P1 - high, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , merge.pl does not populate values to merge 20:20 bag yes saw that - it’s a blocker 20:20 Joubu that's a bad on 20:20 cait bug 6657 20:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6657 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Making 999 visible in framework duplicates 999 entry and affects index 20:20 bag I’ll ask nick to test that 20:21 cait Are in need for good testing and speedy sign-off please 20:21 bag khall: can you ask nick to take a look at that one? 20:21 khall will do! 20:21 cait so we can get that fixed for the next maintenance releases 20:21 bag hmm maybe both of those khall 20:21 cait authority merge and authority add broken 20:21 khall can do 20:22 Joubu There is bug 15568 too 20:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15568 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Circ rules are not displayed anymore 20:22 Joubu (which is not really major) 20:22 khall on the list 20:22 bag cool 20:23 cait #info please help with good testing and speedy sign off for evil bugs: 15358, 6657 (authorities) and 15568 (admin) 20:23 cait anything else? 20:23 wahanui hmmm... anything else is just being crap 20:23 bag also I am completely open to anyone that has ideas on promotion of more sign-offers :) 20:23 bag I am working on getting more bywater peeps to do sign-offs (getting the right tools inplace first) 20:24 cait i think one problem is that we have a lot of hard to test things - architecture and internals 20:24 Joubu bug 15570 affects stable releases 20:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15570 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , circ/renew.pl is broken 20:24 bag and will be putting an appeal to the librarians that work with bywater 20:25 cait :) 20:26 cait bag: maybe organizing a test day like lyon did could help 20:26 cait helping people to set up sandboxes for bugs they have picked before 20:26 bag cool :) noted 20:27 cait ok, one last thing :) 20:27 andreashm setting up sandboxes sounds like a good wau to make sign-offs easier 20:27 bag once I am not traveling so much - I’ll be trying some virtual “help†too 20:27 tubaclarinet I know there's <http://bywatersolutions.com/2013/11/29/koha-sandboxes/> but a video of it would be stellar! 20:27 cait hm a tutorial video is a good idea! 20:28 cait #idea create a tutorial video about setting up a sandbox, testing and signing off with it 20:28 barton nengard has been looking at 'guide on the side' for training/documentation purposes, but I think that we could use it for testing as well 20:28 bag cool I’ll ask nicole to create a video 20:28 cait #idea organize a test day where libraries can pick bugs to test before and help them testing them (setting up sandboxes, fixing conflicts) 20:28 barton +1 for video 20:28 cait a webinar might work too 20:29 tubaclarinet Please include in the video troubleshooting like symptoms of the wrong database, etc. 20:29 tubaclarinet FWIW 20:29 cait maybe we could add an faq section to the wiki page 20:29 barton good idea tubaclarinet. 20:29 cait about problems 20:29 cait if you see... ... that did not work, because... 20:29 tubaclarinet faq section = :-) 20:30 cait some other thing I'd like to get done - ashimema has volunteered to join the QA team again (yay!) - so i'd like to do a quick vote to see if we can make this happen :) 20:30 bag +1 20:30 cait #startvote Are you ok with ashimema joining the QA team for 3.24? (yes,no) 20:30 huginn` Begin voting on: Are you ok with ashimema joining the QA team for 3.24? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 20:30 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:30 cait #vote yes 20:30 Joubu #vote yes 20:31 davidnind #vote yes 20:31 khall #vote yes 20:31 barton #vote yes 20:31 drojf #vote yes 20:31 jmsasse #vote yes 20:31 bag #vote yes 20:31 hbraum #vote yes 20:31 BobB #vote Yes 20:31 cait ending vote... 20:32 cait #endvote 20:32 huginn` Voted on "Are you ok with ashimema joining the QA team for 3.24?" Results are 20:32 huginn` yes (10): Joubu, davidnind, cait, jmsasse, barton, BobB, khall, bag, hbraum, drojf 20:32 Colinc #vote yes 20:32 andreashm #vore yes 20:32 andreashm ah, damn, to late 20:32 andreashm and misspelled. =) 20:32 cait #agreed Martin Renvoize joins the QA team for 3.24 - 12 yes votes 20:33 cait moving on to the next? 20:33 bag nice 20:33 cait #topic Comments on Circ Rules Revamp 20:33 bag khall ^^^ 20:33 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Circulation_Rules_Interface_and_Backend_Revamp_RFC 20:34 khall We'd really like to nail down any issues with the circ rules revamp if there are any 20:34 khall anyone who is interested please read the rfc 20:34 khall if you've already read it and have any questions now, I'm here to field them 20:34 tubaclarinet rfc = request for comment? 20:34 bag yes 20:35 khall I think this is very important in the long term as our movement to increasing amounts of circ rules has maid the current interface untenable 20:35 cait I think i am slightly in favour of a more table like thing ot be honest 20:35 cait but that's me 20:35 indradg #info Indranil Das Gupta, India. 20:35 khall cait: we already have a table like thing ; ) The primary goal is to move to a more flexible approach that allows for simpler rule sets 20:35 cait I'd like something where I can easily compare rules for different itemtypes or different categories 20:35 khall this approach doesn't jive all that well with a table based approach 20:36 Joubu I think we need oleonard :) 20:36 khall cait: that's already on my list! 20:36 cait i am not sure how that would work with the mock up 20:36 ikourmou #info Giannis Kourmoulis, Thessaloniki Greece 20:36 khall I think a second screen that gives a matrix of types categories and libraries with what the rule will be ( and where that rule is coming from ) would be a good companion 20:36 andreashm I have read the RFC... I'm a bit concerned that having a lot of issuing rules will make this new appoach hard to overview 20:37 BobB indradg it must be early for you! 20:37 BobB like middle of the night? 20:37 andreashm khall: that seems like a good approach 20:37 khall andreashm: that is what the second screen I propose will take care of 20:37 khall thanks! 20:37 indradg BobB: 2:10 am 20:37 BobB :) well done! 20:38 barton cait -- how would you feel about some sort of explicit 'compare circ rules' functionality? 20:38 cait khall: could youmaybe mock up the second screen too? 20:38 cait to get a better idea? 20:38 hbraum my consortia is sponsoring this development, although i’m very much letting pianohacker and khall take the reins on this. we’ve currently got 1200 issuingrule lines, so they have a good test case for lots of rules already. 20:38 * andreashm would like that too 20:38 khall cait: yes, I can do that 20:38 andreashm hbraum: ouch 20:38 hbraum and looking at the current mockup, a second screen overview would be helpful, I agree. 20:38 cait #action khall asked nicely to add another mock-up for an overview kind of page 20:38 bag yeah 1200 lines is crazy 20:39 khall The first step is to change the internals without changing the externals. If anyone has an issue with the proposed schema please let us know asap 20:39 cait it will be a bit harder to get a nice excel sheet out :) 20:40 cait that's what we do now - because you can make it sortable 20:40 cait if there is no longer a need for it... that might be not too bad 20:40 khall this would be a table too, so very sortable 20:40 rangi first thing id do is create a script where you can pass a itemtype, categorycode and branch, and get back what the rule applied would be 20:40 rangi then you can change the internals 20:40 rangi run that again 20:40 rangi and prove it hasn't suddenly changed 20:40 khall rangi: agreed, unit tests ++ 20:41 barton khall: I've got most of that written. 20:41 rangi that script could then have a web frontend put on it later, so librarians could choose from a drop down, and see what rule would be applied .. rather than having to read everything 20:41 rangi why was this book issued for 4 weeks .. oh it used this rule 20:41 khall rangi: you're reading my mind ; ) We've discussed that idea 20:41 cait #idea have a script that gives you the circ conditions for branch, itemtype and patron category entered 20:41 rangi 70% of support queuries gone :) 20:42 khall I think that should definitely be built in 20:42 bag more time to signoff!!! 20:42 Joubu bag: heh, we have found what you wanted 20:42 hbraum rangi ha! no kidding. 20:43 barton In design discussions, we talked about making the lookup available on the circ page too, just for reference. 20:43 cait hbraum: nekls++ btw for sponsoring - much needed 20:43 cait for libraries with only 150 and less rules too :) 20:43 cait ok, any more ideas or can we move on? 20:44 cait full agenda tonight, but i don't want to rush youtoo much :) 20:44 khall going once 20:44 hbraum yw! the overall development scope of the project will also help branch specific circ-related rules get applied through this, right khall? 20:44 khall hbraum: yes! 20:44 cait i'd lke to move up a topic - Kohacon16 20:44 khall it will hopefully be a grand unification theory for Koha circ rules 20:45 khall agreed, let's move on 20:45 bag thanks khall 20:45 cait #topic KohaCon16 - Greece 20:45 cait ikourmou? 20:45 ikourmou i'm here! 20:45 cait I think we are all curious for an update :) 20:46 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst 20:46 ikourmou we are working on the ocnference, we started with forming a committee 20:46 ikourmou the dates are set 20:46 ikourmou from 30th of may 20:46 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, NZ 20:46 ikourmou to 4th of june 20:46 cait #info dates are set - may 30 - june 4 20:47 ikourmou 3 first days of presentations, then a day off for a roadtrip for sightseeing 20:47 ikourmou and then teo days for the hackfest 20:47 ikourmou the venue is already booked 20:47 ikourmou and the webpage for the Kohacon16 will be live next week 20:48 ikourmou I would like to ask you people for a couple of things... 20:48 JesseM ikourmou++ 20:48 ikourmou there will be a call for presentations i suppose 20:49 ikourmou what is the best way to deal with it? 20:49 cait hm you could look at how it was done the last years maybe 20:49 cait i think probably put it on the website, but alos send to the mailing lists 20:49 ikourmou do we have to specify subjects in advance? 20:49 rangi nope 20:50 rangi apart from, should be Koha related :) 20:50 cait i think you can probably keep it simple :) 20:50 rangi it's nice to get as many local presentations as you can too 20:50 ikourmou ok, there are some thoughts on presentation subjects from the organising team here 20:51 ikourmou aso, when would we start accepting registrations? 20:51 cait I think getting out the cfp would be highest prio now 20:52 cait some people onl yget funding for travel if they get to speak 20:52 cait or it's easier for them 20:52 cait and also with an idea about the program, more people might register - not sure 20:52 ikourmou ok, it could be done by next week 20:53 rangi often it makes it easier for people to get funding 20:53 ikourmou you mean a more specific program than i mentioned above, i suppose 20:53 rangi to attend 20:53 rangi if they can say "theres a presentation about linked data and Koha .. we want to do that" to their boss ;) 20:53 rangi if that makes sense 20:54 ikourmou ok, i understand 20:54 cait ikourmou: i think if you have some specific topics oyu'd like to get presntations about you could put that in the cfp, but laeave it open for other ideas as well? 20:54 ikourmou yes, that's what we were thinking 20:55 rangi cool 20:55 cait cool :) 20:55 BobB re the conference dates, an early announcement to the mailing list is always good - announce early and announce often 20:55 drojf1 ikourmou: i think it is not uncommon to get a few people from the community to help decide on the presentations once the call for papers is over. if you need help with that feel free to ask 20:56 ikourmou BobB: already sent to koha mailing list and to koha news 20:56 BobB keep doing it, just sayin' 20:56 ikourmou BobB: will do again with the webpage address, thx 20:57 BobB yes, very good 20:57 wizzyrea ikourmou: please let me know when you have stuff for the community kohacon16 page 20:57 ikourmou thanks, drojf1, that was my next question 20:57 wizzyrea stuff = a url, specific copy you'd like there 20:57 wizzyrea otherwise you're leaving it up to me :) 20:58 ikourmou and another question: 20:59 ikourmou if we get to many proposals for presentations, what is the best way to choose? 20:59 ikourmou or should we try to fit them all to the schedule? 20:59 rangi that's up to you 20:59 rangi but one question to ask is, are you definitely coming 21:00 rangi when i ran kohacon10 21:00 rangi we got a lot of proposals, then a lot couldn't come 21:00 rangi so it's easy to drop those ones out 21:00 ikourmou ok, i will note this - hadn't thought of it :-) 21:00 drojf1 you may get a lot of papers from a single institution, who you could ask to share slots. if you got the same topic covered by a library and a support provider, choose the library 21:00 bag magnuse: knuckles 21:00 rangi after that, we had enough :) 21:01 drojf1 or make them collaborate ;) 21:01 BobB if you have the capacity, you can run parallel sessions too 21:02 rangi which is kinda horrible imho 21:02 rangi :) 21:02 rangi i think single track conferences are so so so much better than multi track 21:02 irma that would not be my choice ... parallel sessions 21:02 cait yeah... having to pick... aah 21:02 fredericd #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil 21:02 cait :) 21:02 magnuse bag: HI 21:02 wahanui que tal, magnuse 21:03 rangi however, sometimes you can ask if someone would rather present as part of the hackfest 21:03 cait having some kind of discussion/roundtable thing or question and answers is also good to fill slots 21:03 rangi having said all this .. it's never been a problem in the past 21:03 irma single track conferences ++ 21:03 cait maybe worry, once the papers come in :) 21:03 rangi and having too many presentations will be a new and exciting problem to solve :) 21:03 cait oh, and set a deadline - i think i tmakes people actually write abstracts 21:03 cait can still extend if necessary 21:04 ikourmou we were thinking of placing "introductory" presentations in the morning sessions, leaving the more specialised ones for the afternoon 21:04 rangi that makes sense to me 21:04 ikourmou another question: 21:04 drojf1 sleeping in ++ 21:04 ikourmou Is there something we should take care of, regarding travel arrangements? 21:05 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 21:05 ikourmou especially for people oustide the EU? 21:05 rangi I have always found a page, that lists airports close 21:05 BobB the conference should be accessible for librarians and newbies; very technical presentations can be left to the hackfest 21:05 rangi really helpful 21:05 rangi and maybe a link to VISA requirements etc 21:05 rangi also, for some people they make ask you for an invitation letter 21:05 wizzyrea does greece ... yeah that 21:06 BobB ikourmou I would like a scholarship to attend the conference please, $5k should do it :) 21:06 rangi so having a letter you can sign and scan is handy too 21:06 rangi (it helps with some people getting a VISA) 21:06 ikourmou BobB: I 'll see what we can do :) 21:07 BobB thanks ikourmou, I will wait patiently 21:07 ikourmou ok, noted (VISA info and invitation letter). thanks 21:08 cait i forgot to add #info... but curious people wil read full minutes i hope 21:08 cait #info forgot to add more infos... lots of KohaCon infos in full meeting logs 21:08 BobB cait +1 21:08 cait ikourmou: any more questions? or questions for ikourmou? 21:09 rangi http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/getting-to-ibadan/ <-- a page like that is handy 21:09 ikourmou rangi: yes, i've seen that 21:09 Joubu Are there good beers in Greece? 21:10 rangi heh 21:10 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Social <--- i brought my own 21:10 wizzyrea that's probably the most important question 21:10 ikourmou is there anything that you would like sto stress out in general? especially you people that already organised a conference before... 21:10 rangi but pages like that on the wiki are good to create too, also 21:10 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon13/Arrivals 21:11 ikourmou Jobu: a lot of microbreweries, i hope you will find interesting 21:11 Joubu rangi: I will try to bring them! 21:11 Joubu ikourmou: great :) 21:12 cait #info there are lots of microbreweries in Greece 21:12 bag I’m sold can we have kohacon next week? 21:12 cait best advertising for kohacon... 21:12 cait heh 21:12 cait i am all fo rit 21:12 cait but i think we need to move on 21:12 ikourmou ok, thank you people for the advice :) 21:13 cait #topic Update from the International Fund Committee 21:13 bag not much besides - we tried to put together a meeting - but with holidays we weren’t able to find one 21:13 bag still working on the next meeting 21:13 ikourmou hope to see you in Greece! 21:13 cait ikourmou: please get in contact if we can help in any wa 21:13 cait y 21:13 bag thanks ikourmou 21:13 cait #info looking for dates for the next meeting 21:13 BobB there are two things to do re fundraising 21:14 BobB organise a meeting 21:14 BobB and write rules for the HLT Grants committee - Galen and I are to do that 21:15 BobB bag do you have any info on how much has been raised at HLT? I suspect not a lot yet? 21:15 cait #info Galen and BobBto write rules for the HLT Grants committee 21:15 bag I don’t have that - but I can ask Jo and will report for the next meeting 21:15 cait #action bag to ask how much has been raised so far 21:15 cait and report... 21:15 wahanui i guess report is for Overdues that we want to mail out from the library, not use peoples' emails. It needs to show the patrons' information and just the items that are overdue all on a single page. Each page needs to have one patron only. Can anyone help me with this? 21:15 BobB cool, I'll have another go at scheduling a meeting 21:16 BobB wahanui, read the manual 21:16 wahanui BobB: i'm not following you... 21:16 pianohacker wahanui: forget report 21:16 wahanui pianohacker: I forgot report 21:16 cait #action BobB to schedule the meeting 21:16 cait any questions? 21:16 pianohacker also hi y'all 21:17 cait moving on :) 21:17 cait #topic Let's Encrypt 21:17 drojf1 we are running a little late already, i'm trying to make this short. i think it would be good to support letsencrypt as soon as possible 21:18 drojf1 gmcharlt introduced me to eric hellman who is going to look into letsencrypt adoption by library projects for the library freedom project, they are pretty interested in this too 21:18 cait just a warning - if no protests i'd like to move the kohacon voting discussion nd the INSTALL.debian topics to the next meeting 21:18 drojf1 i basically have two questions: 1) it's only debian script changes, can we have it in stable before 3.24 (when it's tested ok)? 2) should it become default eventually, or would that be considered antifeatureish? 21:18 cait drojf1: does it have any new dependencies? 21:19 cait i think that hs been the major blocker for backporting - or one of them currently 21:19 drojf1 not in debian yet, beuase there is no package 21:19 * magnuse would vote for getting it into 3.22.x 21:19 drojf1 atm you need to checkout from git. i dont know how long this will take until its in the repo 21:20 drojf1 the bug is 15303, i added a new patch today and it can be tested (please) 21:20 wizzyrea +1 to make it very easy to SSL 21:20 drojf1 i will open another for koha-letsencrypt to do it with existing installations 21:20 drojf1 but in the long run i think it would be good to have this as a default (which can be overidden of course) 21:21 magnuse +1 to make it default 21:21 cait maybe: backport but make it optional 21:21 cait and think about default for next release? 21:22 davidnind I think it needs to be optional, for those behind firewalls 21:22 drojf1 i would propose: backport, as optional. and label it experimental maybe, because you need to checkot the client yourself and stuff 21:22 rangi yeah 21:22 cait davidnind: i think it would always be - just thinking about the default setting 21:22 magnuse make it easy to enable for existing sites and default for new sites 21:22 cait i think i didn't phrase it right 21:22 drojf1 oh. it should always be optional! 21:22 drojf1 a default an be overridden of course 21:22 cait i meant non-default - not optional :) 21:23 drojf1 it wont work for everyone, that is for sure 21:23 drojf1 and some people will use their own certs, etc 21:24 drojf1 but if we backport it now we also have more testers and can fix stuff before it may be a default 21:24 drojf1 it's not interfering with koha codebase apart from the debian scripts 21:24 cait jajm is not here tonight, so we can't reall ymake a decision i think 21:24 drojf1 true 21:25 cait but we can get an idea about what poeple tend to maybe 21:25 cait is someone against backporting? 21:25 cait or has questions? doubts? 21:25 rangi id wait until its packaged, it's kinda moot at this point ;) 21:26 rangi (ie making a dependency, it needs to be debian packaged before we could that anyway) 21:26 Joubu I'll read the patch first :) 21:26 rangi but certainly showing how to install it with Koha, is a great idea 21:26 wizzyrea ^ 21:26 cait #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15303 21:27 huginn` 04Bug 15303: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations 21:27 drojf1 i'll try to find out about the package situation 21:28 rangi https://obs.library.workbuffer.org/ <-- uses letsencrypt fwiw 21:28 cait btw drojf++ 21:28 rangi thats my kids school 21:28 rangi yep 21:28 magnuse yeah drojf++ 21:28 rangi drojf++ 21:28 indradg +1 for backporting 21:29 cait #info please help testing the patches for Letsencrypt on bug 15303 21:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations 21:29 cait any more questions? 21:29 drojf1 ok that sabout it for now 21:29 drojf1 that's about 21:30 cait are people ok with wrapping it up for today? 21:30 rangi yep 21:30 davidnind yep 21:30 drojf1 +1 21:30 BobB yes 21:30 Colinc yep 21:30 cait we didn't cover INSTALL.debian and KohaCon17, KohaCon voting - so pushing those to next time 21:30 cait #topic Next meeting 21:31 drojf1 we will push the voring stuff until the next vote :P 21:31 drojf1 *voting 21:31 cait #info INSTALL.debian, KohaCon17, and KohaCon voting mechanism are postponed to the next meeting 21:31 cait drojf1: or first on agenda next time :) 21:31 cait what about february 3rd? 21:32 drojf1 sounds good to me (3rd) 21:32 davidnind +1 21:32 magnuse +1 21:32 cait what time? 21:32 wahanui i think time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. or generously donated to giving support in #koha but if you need more help faster than we can give it try http://koha-community.org/support/paid/ 21:32 Colinc +1 21:32 rangi +1 21:32 cait 10 UTC? 21:32 wahanui rumour has it 10 UTC is a good time, but is very early on east coast USA 21:33 magnuse +1 21:33 drojf1 +1 21:33 cait #agreed Next IRC meeting will be on February 3, 10 UTC 21:33 cait #endmeeting 21:33 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 21:33:49 2016 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 21:33 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/koha_general_irc_meeting_13_january_2016.2016-01-13-20.00.html 21:33 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/koha_general_irc_meeting_13_january_2016.2016-01-13-20.00.txt 21:33 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/koha_general_irc_meeting_13_january_2016.2016-01-13-20.00.log.html 21:33 cait thx all for attending 21:33 davidnind cait++ 21:33 Joubu thanks cait 21:33 drojf1 cait++ 21:34 hbraum thx cait 21:34 jmsasse cait++ 21:34 eythian https://blog.kallisti.net.nz/2016/01/amsterdam-cheese-museum/ <-- cait 21:35 cait heh, waiting until the meeting ended, eythian? 21:35 wizzyrea hehe 21:35 eythian yep 21:35 rangi he was too busy eating cheese 21:35 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:36 barton good meeting, cait. 21:36 wizzyrea now I want cheese. 21:36 cait pleas tell me you dressed up and got a photo? 21:36 eythian I know where you can get some 21:36 eythian cait: i didn't, sorry 21:36 wizzyrea I mean that's a perennial thing 21:37 cait you can go back 21:37 cait ! 21:37 wizzyrea you should because I think we all need to see you in a dutch cheesemonger outfit. 21:37 * barton goes in search of cheesy commestibles. 21:37 drojf1 eythian: you are still the default contact for debian scripts in BZ. i hope you enjoy my emails (and maybe that should be changed?) 21:37 rangi hmm i think they probably are bouncing too 21:38 eythian drojf1: no biggie, they go to catalyst so I can't see them 21:38 rangi we should change that 21:38 drojf1 ah 21:38 drojf1 great :D 21:38 wizzyrea probably gmcharlt would be a better endpoint? 21:38 rangi *nod* 21:38 rangi gmcharlt_: no objections to that? 21:38 wizzyrea I know he really wants more email :P 21:38 cait it's probably time again to revisit some of the defaults 21:41 drojf1 i have a patch to automatically set up a .onion domain (tor network) for the opac too 21:41 * drojf1 goes all crypto on koha 21:42 rangi :) 21:42 * eythian & 21:43 drojf1 can we have .onion as a default? ;) 22:24 drojf1 good night #koha 22:32 cait looking for comments on bug 13542 .. :) 22:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13542 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Subscripton is only table to store userid instead of borrowernumber