Time Nick Message 00:00 wizzyrea i'm always surprised when there are thunderstorms like that so near the sea 00:00 wizzyrea I bet you'll get some waterspouts 00:00 wizzyrea the entirety of my thunderstorm knowledge is of inland ones 00:00 wizzyrea like, way inland. 00:01 wizzyrea flyover country inland. 00:01 wizzyrea flyover whilst sleeping inland. 00:01 wizzyrea boring to look out the window at whilst flying over inland. 00:08 dcook hehe 00:08 dcook Yeah, the worst storms we got were snow storms 00:08 dcook We have a bit of rain right now but not too bad 00:08 dcook I think it's mostly hitting right on the coast 00:09 dcook I'm about 9km from the coast, so not too bad yet 00:09 dcook Well 9km from the east coast 00:09 dcook Oh, it's getting a bit heavier 00:10 dcook Maybe I should stop talking about it :p 00:23 wizzyrea You are cursing yourself. 00:24 dcook Exactly! 00:38 wizzyrea http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11562002&ref=NZH_Tw dcook !!!! 00:56 dcook wizzyrea: Yikes! 00:56 wizzyrea You went away and then I was scared for you! 00:56 dcook Awww 00:56 dcook That's sweet of you 00:56 dcook This building is pretty solid. We had medium rain for a few minutes, but it's clear again here 00:56 dcook Here's hoping my house is still intact... 00:56 dcook I'm guessing the building collapses were right on the coast.. :( 00:56 wizzyrea eeks. 00:56 * wizzyrea hopes not 00:59 dcook Looks like another burst is coming as well... http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN65152.shtml 01:04 wizzyrea it must have been hot-ish, and cold front is coming in? 01:04 * dcook shrugs 01:05 wizzyrea Winds northeasterly 15 to 20 km/h shifting south to southeasterly 15 to 25 km/h during the afternoon and evening. 01:05 dcook That's not too bad 01:05 wizzyrea naw, but from the south so probably cold :) 01:05 wizzyrea cooler 01:05 wizzyrea and it's only forecast 20 tomorrow 01:19 francescam Call me behind the times but dcook: just saw the twister news, how are you faring over in Sydney? 01:22 dcook francescam: Not too bad here but I'm about 9km from the edge of the coast 01:22 dcook Thanks for asking :D 01:23 rangi http://blog.aurynn.com/86/contempt-culture <-- good read 01:30 francescam That's a really interesting article 01:31 dcook ^ 01:40 wizzyrea [off] but... but... I want to poke fun at horizon... 01:41 wizzyrea <shame> 01:41 wizzyrea (but seriously, don't do that.) 03:28 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 06:15 Nacronic hello 06:20 Nacronic hello all I have installed koha 3.12.6 and i am running to session time out problem though i have set it to ""120000"" in global preferances 07:02 drojf1 morning #koha 07:37 rangi where does someone even find 3.12.6 ? 07:37 rangi people are weird 07:55 reiveune hello 08:04 alex_a bonjour 08:26 gaetan_B hello 08:47 Joubu Good morning #koha 08:59 ashimema morning Joubu 08:59 ashimema morning #koha 09:11 LibraryClaire morning #koha :) 10:34 cait Joubu++ 10:34 cait hi LibraryClaire :) being curious - where are you from? :) 10:35 LibraryClaire Hi cait :) I'm based in London 10:35 Joubu I think arts.ac.uk is a PTFS-E's partner 10:36 LibraryClaire Joubu: yes, University of the Arts 10:40 cait oh nice :) 10:41 LibraryClaire how about you cait? 10:41 cait I am in Germany, working for BSZ - another Koha support provider 10:41 cait in Konstanz 10:42 LibraryClaire cool! :) 10:42 LibraryClaire brb - meeting :0 10:43 cait :) 10:45 ashimema Joubu.. how did you get arts.ac.uk there? 10:45 ashimema your right.. but I wondered how you could tell from irc 10:46 * cait thinks Joubu is a wizard :P 10:47 * ashimema just found: http://www.libraryclaire.co.uk/ 10:47 ashimema nice site LibraryClaire 10:51 liw ashimema, when someone joines an channel, there's a message such as this: -!- LibraryClaire [~oftc-webi@195-195-80-207.arts.ac.uk] has joined #koha 10:51 liw depending on the IRC client, you might or mightnot see it (and it can be shown in various ways) 10:52 liw also visible with the IRC command "/wii ashimema" 10:52 cait hm doesn't work for me 10:52 cait unknown command 10:52 liw some IRC networks offer "cloaks" which hide teh address the user is coming from 10:52 cait maybe depending on the client too? 10:52 liw ah, the /wii command may be client specific; I think the general command is /whois 10:53 ashimema oh, interesting.. I had no idea you could do that 10:53 cait ah thx! 10:53 ashimema thanks liw 10:59 drojf there is also /whowas if somebody left already 11:09 LibraryClaire back - yeah I am just in the web browser, PC here wouldn't let me install a client >:( 11:09 LibraryClaire ashimema: thanks - I haven't put much on the site recently... much in progress :) 11:12 Joubu ashimema: my IRC client displays the ip when someone enters the room 11:12 Joubu ok too late :) 11:12 * Joubu should have backlogged everything before answering 11:13 ashimema hehe 12:15 xarragon Is it worth adding tests that calls the OPAC and greps the html output for the expected data? 12:50 oleonard Hi #koha 12:57 tcohen morning #koha 12:59 cait morning tcohen :) 12:59 tcohen hi cait :-D 13:10 ashimema 🖒 13:10 cait ashimema: ? 13:11 ashimema wrong channel 13:11 ashimema oops 13:12 ashimema but for good measure 👠13:12 cait not sure what that is you are posting hter 13:12 * ashimema likes some of the unicode chars.. thumbs up is nice ;) 13:12 cait aah 13:12 cait looks like my client fails to show it :) 13:13 tcohen smuxi shows it ok, hi ashimema! 13:13 ashimema I is in smuxi too 13:14 cait pidgin on windows fails 13:14 cait but might be config 13:14 oleonard The first one didn't work but the second one did (in Chatzilla). Looks the same in the log to me too: http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2015-12-16 13:15 ashimema both look ok in the log for me ;) 13:15 ashimema browser support also varies I feel 13:15 cait same as oleonard 13:15 cait one good, one bad 13:15 ashimema oth are thumbs up.. first one right facing, second one left facing 13:15 ashimema how odd 13:15 ashimema mwah.. worth knowing though.. 13:16 ashimema I'll try to remember to use the second one over the first now ;) 13:16 oleonard Yeah the "uni" in "unicode" must not stand for universal. :P 13:17 ashimema could be any number of reasons for not displaying.. some font sets just don't include the icons for all characters for example. 13:17 ashimema so may not nesesarily be the browser but the font's it's pulling in from the system ;) 14:11 misilot question, how would I write a small program that utilizes the synopsis section in http://perldoc.koha-community.org/misc/cronjobs/check-url.html I keep getting a can't locate C4/URL/Checker.pm Thanks! 14:20 ashimema erm.. 14:20 ashimema I presume this is a program external to Koha? 14:20 ashimema you'll need to add koha lib to you PERL5LIB or @INC to call the module 14:22 ashimema erm.. 14:22 ashimema also.. 14:22 ashimema I don't actually see that module in master.. 14:24 ashimema ack.. 14:24 ashimema that's some horrible code.. 14:24 ashimema the module is embedded within the script! 14:24 ashimema pass then.. I have no idea how you'd reference it 14:24 ashimema https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha/blob/master/misc/cronjobs/check-url.pl 14:43 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:43 mtompset Anyone have an idea of how to submit a git-bz patch? 14:43 ashimema Joubu 14:43 mtompset Not a koha patch with git-bz, but a patch to git-bz itself. 14:44 ashimema indeed.. 14:44 ashimema we maintain our own copy in git://git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git 14:45 ashimema I 'think' Joubu has some keys to it 14:45 ashimema or rangi 14:45 Joubu I can push into the contrib repo, not sure I can push into git-bz 14:46 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Here's the git-bz patch" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/224 14:47 mtompset before patch bug 7143 (Marc Véron) blows up 14:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 14:47 mtompset after patch, git bz works fine 14:48 mtompset at least the apply... 14:48 mtompset about to attempt a sign off and attach. :) 14:49 ashimema ooh.. 14:49 ashimema that's the utf8 problem. 14:49 ashimema awesome.. 14:49 ashimema I've been meaning to look at that for ages 14:49 ashimema pop that paste link in a pm to rangi.. i'm sure he'd apply it for you 14:50 ashimema when he wakes up ;) 14:51 ashimema @later tell rangi, are you the man with the keys to the git-bz repository.. can we apply http://paste.koha-community.org/224 to fishsoup? 14:51 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 14:53 mtompset Nope... attach blows up. 14:53 mtompset Now to fix that. 15:14 * magnuse waves 15:16 * JesseM waves back 15:17 cait hm i thougt we had it fixed 15:17 cait the utf-8 prob 15:17 cait hm maybe a different prob 15:25 mveron Hi again #koha 15:27 * magnuse fears there is no such thing as getting rid of encoding problems once and for alle 15:33 * mtompset grins at magnuse. 15:33 mtompset Greetings, mveron. 15:33 mtompset Thanks for an excuse to fix utf-8 issues in git-bz. :P 15:33 mveron Hi mtompset 15:34 mtompset http://paste.koha-community.org/224 15:34 mtompset That fixes the apply, so I can apply your patch. :P 15:34 mveron I was reading back... The é in my name? 15:35 * mveron was wondering what was blowing up with his name 15:38 mtompset Yes. 15:42 mveron mtompset: Was the problem related toteh commit message or to tha patch? - I remember thet there were issues with characters like '>' copy/pasted from Koha breadcrumbs 15:42 mveron to the 15:45 mtompset In A meeting. sorry... 1.25 hours still. 15:45 Joubu mtompset: actually you revert a previous change fixing utf8 issues 15:45 Joubu commit 4666a5ae4d8fab588c7481d6d48ff6ea6eee1da1 15:45 mtompset mveron... tryusing html code for the accent? 16:01 reiveune bye 16:05 mveron mtompset: Patch applied fine here. I changed the commit message to remove the é. 16:05 mtompset mveron: That works for the unpatched version. :) 16:05 mveron :-) 16:06 mtompset signed off. :) 16:08 mtompset BTW, utf_8, Joubu? I think the header should be utf-8. :) 16:08 mtompset But you are right about the reversion. 16:33 ashimema @later tell rangi, maybe read the irc backlog first.. more got talked about regarding utf8 on git-bz 16:33 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 16:51 K_chris mveron: I have been testing but 15374 some more. 16:52 mveron K_chris: Yes? :-) 16:53 K_chris the link you are referring to is for is to /opac-memberentry.pl 16:53 K_chris right? 16:53 K_chris that's the link you fixed, i think. 16:54 mveron Let me have a look 16:59 K_chris i have tested everything on a sandbox (14) except for fines: it doesn't seem that fines (total due) is getting computed. "no data available in table" 17:01 mveron K_chris: Yes, it is the link for opac-memberentry.pl 17:02 * mveron is checking regarding the fines 17:03 K_chris mveron: to test with the fines, I have applying the patch on a local development environment using bz. But I am new to this. 17:07 drojf evening 17:13 mveron K_crhis: I added a manual fine o a patron that exceeds the value of syspref OPACFineNoRenewals 17:13 mveron Hi drojf :-) 17:13 mveron K_chris: ^^^ 17:14 mveron K_chris: If OPACFineNoRenewals is empty nothing is calculated 17:19 * mveron needs something to eat... 18:36 * magnuse waves again 18:37 * Kchris waves 18:38 * drojf joins the wave 19:01 * mveron waves 19:06 Kchris mveron: Testing bug 15374. I did set system preference for OPACFineNoRenewals, but the sandboxes don't seem to total fines... 19:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15374 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Translatability: Fix issues on OPAC summary page 19:07 mveron Kchris: What is the value of OPACFineNoRenewals? 19:08 mveron And how much fines has the patron? 19:08 rangi sup peeps 19:08 * drojf peeps 19:09 Kchris mveron:OpacFineNoRenewals=100, patron fine=200. It seems there may be a table missing on sandbox??? 19:09 rangi drojf: for the record, i think something in berlin before kohacon is a good idea 19:10 Kchris Attempting to test on local development environment: Once a patch is applied with via git bz, is there a way to verify that the patch is successfully applied? 19:10 rangi Kchris: git log 19:10 drojf rangi: woohoo, feedback :) 19:10 rangi Kchris: you should see the patch as the top commit 19:11 mveron Kchris: If it does not apply you should have a message 19:11 Kchris rangi++, mveron++ 19:11 mveron drojf:I consider ot travel to Berlin as well... 19:11 mveron to travel 19:13 rangi drojf: im assuming there are lots of flights and/or trains from berlin to thessaloniki ? 19:13 Kchris After applying the patch, is it necessary to restart Apache? 19:13 rangi Kchris: no, unless it changes the apache configuration in some way .. however are you running plack? 19:14 rangi or memcached? 19:15 drojf rangi: i checked two way flights and there were a lot of options. i will set up a wiki page with infos like that now that the first people show interest 19:16 mveron drojf++ 19:16 drojf i doubt we will max out the connections :) 19:19 Kchris rangi: no, I am not running plack or memcached. 19:19 rangi Kchris: then there should be nothing persistent (except the data in the database) so you shouldnt need to restart anything 19:21 drojf [off] i reserved the room before i asked on the list. there are a few fixed dates like tai chi people on wedesdays at 5, but i was told they are usually outside during summer time anyway. 19:21 rangi hmm 2 days on a train... that might be too long .. flights it is :) 19:22 drojf [off] not sure what a realistic time frame is. 3 days? we probably do not want to be exhausted before the real thing :D i reserved the room monday to sunday for now 19:23 drojf heh if the view is good from the train? :D 19:24 drojf best connection from berlin is direct, 2,5h. but some cheapo airline where you have to book everything extra (still the cheapest with all options) 19:25 rangi thats why i normally like trains :) would ge to see slovakia, hungary, serbia etc on the way .. but yeah bit too long 19:28 drojf :) 19:28 drojf you're not here every day, use as much europa as you can :D 19:28 drojf *europe 19:29 oleonard So uh... When did Koha get NCIP support? 19:29 * oleonard didn't think it had it 19:30 rangi it does 19:30 rangi separately 19:30 rangi in a couple of ways 19:30 drojf you can even choose from several, can't you? 19:31 rangi http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=NCIPServer.git;a=summary <-- this one .. or its a little more up to date in the catalyst repo 19:31 rangi its a separate project that we should make sure we dont go all SIP on, and fold it into Koha 19:31 liw I noticed that Kohacon's going to be May 30 onwards... I have marked my calendar just in case. Next year's looking a bit potentially gloomy, though. (/me timidly ponders offering a 4-hour Debian packaging tutorial workshop, if there's interest) 19:31 rangi or there is the XC NCIP toolkit way, which there is a bug for lemme find it 19:32 rangi oleonard: afaik MassCat are using the NCIP server stuff Dyrcona and I mostly wrote in production, however there are a couple of branches that need to be reconciled/merged its on my todo list 19:33 * oleonard was surprised to year someone on the ByWater list say Koha had NCIP support. 19:33 oleonard I guess I'm just out of the loop 19:33 drojf liw: i'd be interested. but you would have to arrange with the catmandu people if they actually come and do a workshop too, so i can do both :) 19:33 rangi liw: that sounds great to me! even if it couldnt be at kohacon proper maybe that could be at the preconf thing drojf is organising in berlin 19:34 rangi oleonard: well, there is an NCIP server that will work with Koha .. is more correct than Koha has NCIP support, the work I did didnt touch Koha itself 19:34 drojf oh right. if that is an option for you… 19:34 rangi but you know .. marketing 19:34 oleonard Berlin + Thessaloniki would be so great. 19:34 rangi oleonard: if bug 13930 is pushed then it would be correct to say Koha supports the xnciptoolkit 19:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13930 enhancement, P3, ---, mail, Needs Signoff , Add supporting service svc/ncip for xnciptoolkit driver 19:35 liw rangi, sure. I am basically willing to do that anywhere, any time, as long as it suits my other committments and I can find a way to cover costs (I'd rather not pay for travel, hotels out of my own pocket; alas) 19:35 magnuse rangi, oleonard: and what does "support for ncip" mean? it's a big standard 19:36 rangi liw: that's totally fair enough, im sure we can rustle up some sponsorship or the like :) 19:36 rangi magnuse: true .. and it has issues 19:36 rangi ncip? 19:36 magnuse it's probably more meanngful to talk about which profiles it supports, like NNCIPP (Norwegian NCIP Profile) 19:36 * drojf sighs 19:36 oleonard Now I have to think, "What are the reasons for having NCIP that we discussed at the time someone quoted us $50,000 to add NCIP support to Koha?" 19:37 drojf we have a great non-ncip proprietary ILL protocol. lol. yay germany 19:37 rangi yeah its fair to say, NCIPserver + Koha supports Autographics NCIP 19:37 rangi currently 19:37 rangi vendor embrace and extend ftw!! 19:37 magnuse yay! 19:37 magnuse rangi: you think NCIPServer should be folded into koha? 19:37 rangi http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/68930308689/working-on-ncip-kohails 19:38 rangi magnuse: hell no 19:38 magnuse ok, misread you then 19:38 rangi we made that mistake with SIP 19:38 magnuse gotcha 19:38 rangi what should be done, is it should be rewritten (not much to do actually) at least the NCIP/ILS/Koha.pm module 19:38 rangi to use the rest api 19:38 rangi then it could sit anywhere 19:39 magnuse but there is some work to be done, if we want it to be a common project for evergreen and koha 19:39 rangi yep have to merge the branches .. its not super hard, just time consuming and of course no one is gonna want to pay for that :) 19:39 drojf ok awesome, we go from "i wonder if someone will come to berlin" to "omg everyone is coming, i only have room for 20 people" again :D 19:39 magnuse Dyrcona changed a lot of the basics, so the work you did does not work any longer, rangi 19:40 rangi magnuse: it does on the catalyst repo, but yep, gotta merge those 19:40 magnuse from what i have seen it is more a question of rewriting NCIP/ILS/Koha.pm than just merging, but i might have missed something 19:40 Dyrcona It still works in the master branch of the "public" working repo. 19:41 Dyrcona My changes are in user/dyrcona/better_abstraction which ended up becoming the Evergreen driver branch. 19:41 rangi magnuse: yep, that needs to be rewritten to be use the rest api anyway .. then merging the lib/NCIP/Handler stuff .. if that makes sense 19:42 magnuse yeah, using the rest api would be super cool, then one ncipserver culd serve many koha instances (i think) 19:43 rangi however im pretty sure masscat are running the master branch in production currently (or at least final testing before it's live live) 19:43 rangi magnuse: yeah that's the plan 19:44 Dyrcona I've been making a lot of changes after going live with the Evergreen NCIP... 'cause y'know...testing never gets everything. 19:44 rangi *nod* 19:45 eythian Hi 19:46 magnuse i based my work on nncipp on some branch from Dyrcona - sounds like we might have some work to do... 19:46 magnuse hiya eythian 19:47 eythian Just been to see Star Wars. I recommend it. 19:47 magnuse yay 19:47 eythian Spoiler: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWSso9GWUAA9SzD.jpg 19:48 magnuse is not clicking on that 19:48 rangi eythian: taking the kids after work 19:48 eythian Sweet. 19:48 oleonard Yeah don't make me have to swear off IRC as well as Twitter and Facebook until I get to see it 19:48 eythian magnuse: it's not a big spoiler 19:48 eythian You know you want to 19:49 oleonard eythian: 3D? 19:49 eythian Yep 19:50 oleonard Star Wars + 3D feels a little wrong, but I'm old. 19:50 pianohacker jeez, eythian, that's a huge spoiler 19:51 eythian oleonard: it's not bad actually. 19:51 * magnuse will not see anything in 3d 19:52 eythian Only a few points where you really notice it, and that's by design, making you want to reach out and grab the thing 19:52 eythian magnuse: only one eye? 19:52 Dyrcona ha! ha! 19:52 Dyrcona It's an ugly spoiler at that. :) 19:53 drojf the spoiler is probably more fun than the movie ;) *hides* 19:55 cait drojf: i want to come too :) 19:55 oleonard See you later, all. When I return I will still have not seen the new Star Wars movie. 19:56 drojf cait: yay \o/ 19:57 cait just have to see if i can manage - you plan before kohacon right? 19:57 cait i will try my best to keep that free 19:57 cait so we would travel sunday to greece for kohacon starting monday then? 20:01 drojf cait: yes before. i will check what options we have and we will probably all travel together some way on sunday or saturday (might be cheaper/better times). i will gather some info and throw it in the wiki soon 20:02 drojf also a doodle or dudle or similar about who would come and for how many days 20:03 cait cool 20:03 cait it might take me a while to give you a definite answer 20:03 cait but certainly interested! 20:07 francesca I'm in love with today's Google doodle 20:29 barton hola #koha! 20:30 pianohacker /kick barto 20:30 pianohacker we don't know you... 20:30 barton the package 'C4::URL::Checker' is defined in misc/cronjobs/check-url.pl. ... how do I call C4::URL::Checker from an external script? 20:31 pianohacker my vote would be to refactor that package into a proper module 20:32 barton yeah, mine too, but just for giggles... 20:32 misilot i'm trying to just provide an example where the check-url.pl script fails since it doesn't support cookies (so I can submit a ticket asking for cookies) 20:33 barton misilot: actually, I think pianohacker 20:33 barton 's right. 20:34 barton You could pretty much just copy misc/cronjobs/check-url.pl to C4/URL/Checker.pm 20:34 barton just for quick and dirty. 20:34 pianohacker yup yup 20:35 barton having said that, I know that there is a perl keyword for doing what I first asked for... 'call' maybe? 20:35 barton we used to use it for koaversion.pl 20:35 barton kohaversion.pl. thatever. god rest its soul. 20:37 pianohacker oh god yeah you're right... 20:39 kidclamp heybywater: can anyone tell me why the edit biblio link here is getting half the title in the biblionumber 20:39 kidclamp http://staff.catamount.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl?q=pope+mussolini 20:39 kidclamp Check edit biblio on first result 20:39 pianohacker kidclamp: wrong channel :) 20:39 talljoy heh 20:39 kidclamp heh 20:40 kidclamp nonthing to see folks 20:40 bag hola 20:41 * talljoy takes out her neuralyzer. 20:42 barton pianohacker, misilot: I think 'do' is the command I was looking for. ... `perldoc do`, 3rd stanza. 20:42 bag this battlestation is operational 20:42 barton Commense primary ignition! 20:42 misilot barton: no documentation for do 20:43 barton perldoc -f do 20:45 bullwinkle but bag, that trick *never* works! 20:46 misilot ok I have it running except even the example doesn't work (it appears to be checking all the links), i only specified a single url 20:47 misilot oh i think its because check-url has a line to just run the check 21:33 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Berlin_Kohacon_Warmup_2016 21:36 mveron-away drojf++ 21:37 ashimema drojf, we'd want to send at least one dev too :) 21:37 ashimema atheia or myself likely 21:37 ashimema drojf++ 21:38 drojf ashimema: awesome! 21:39 * cait is installing tomcat and eclipse in windows for distance study 21:39 cait ... 21:39 cait *sigh* 21:40 drojf [off] i had (pre-)clients of yours in my seminar yesterday btw. i indoctrinated everyone to choose community-active vendors and they asked if you are among those ;) 21:40 drojf [off] ashimema ^^ 21:41 drojf cait: that sounds like a lot of things nobody should do 21:41 cait yeah.... 21:41 ashimema :) 21:41 ashimema [off] cheers cait 21:41 barton cait: the dark side of the source. 21:41 cait [off] cheers ashimema? 21:41 ashimema sorry that was meant for drojf 21:42 ashimema I got confused between lines 21:42 ashimema what seminar were you doing drojf? 21:42 Dyrcona Still, cheers, cait! 21:43 cait cheers Dyrcona :) 21:43 drojf i did a general overview, 1,5h koha history/development/system requirements and things like that, 1,5h trying to show the actual system (which is way too little time for that) 21:43 * ashimema feel he should now find a drink to join in the 'chinking 21:43 ashimema cool, sounds fun :) 21:44 barton Hey, in my thirst to know all about notices and slips, apparently I missed the expansion of <<items.fine>> ... someone told me about it, but I don't know which notices can use it. 21:44 Dyrcona Everyone seems to like to poo-poo Java, but I still like it after all these years. 21:44 cait barton: only overdues 21:44 ashimema Java ain't terrible.. it's just a bit of a heavy stack. 21:44 cait inside of <item> 21:45 * francesca doesn't know how to code in java 21:45 ashimema that's my opinion on it at least.. 21:45 cait or <items>? you know which :) 21:45 * ashimema hasn't coded java for at least 5 years now 21:45 cait my main problem with java is that i don#t use it :) 21:45 cait usually... outside of the distance study 21:45 cait and I did the last courses using it ... years ago 21:45 ashimema but my monitor is propped on 'Developing Java Software - Second Edition' 21:45 cait so i have to start all over 21:45 ashimema makes a good monitor stand 21:45 Dyrcona heh 21:46 ashimema I found java to nearly write itself if you have a good editor 21:46 ashimema right.. best go keep the other half company. 21:46 ashimema more chirstmas present wrapping to do 21:46 cait :) 21:46 ashimema have a good evening everyone 21:46 cait have fun! 21:46 Dyrcona 'night. 21:47 barton cait ... I'm not sure that <<items.fine>> is expanded in all notices. 21:47 barton owait. I think that we had that discussion... 21:48 cait barton: only in overdues 21:48 cait inside the item tag 21:49 ashimema crap.. I thought those dates for kohacon and berlin rang a bell :( 21:49 ashimema they coincide exactly with the school break here 21:49 ashimema so that kinda counts me out of attending either :'( 21:51 * francesca is playing reciptionist today 21:51 cait :( 21:51 cait that's bad news 21:51 cait bring the family? greece is nice...i am sure 21:51 cait berlin too 21:57 drojf ashimema: get a huge appartment together with magnuse+family :) 21:57 barton cait: updated http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Customising_Notices_and_Slips#Notice_Specific_Markup . See ISSUESLIP. 22:00 ashimema already got a trip to france booked so can't change. 22:02 barton ^^ anyone who wants to help out: that wiki page has a few entries that need to be filled in for messages implemented using SendAlerts. I'll owe you an hour of thanks yous :-) 22:02 ashimema so annoying, this'll be the third kohacon in a row I'll have missed. 22:02 rangi they revoke your membership after 4 22:02 rangi so you better watch out 22:02 ashimema haha 22:02 gmcharlt tcohen: I'm finding yaz commit f24766f1e9fc to be ... interesting with respect to newish Zebra versions not delivering facets 22:03 ashimema marseille hackfest will have to be my koha meetup fix for the year then 22:03 barton rangi: hm. I don't think I *am* a member. 22:03 gmcharlt upshot - if you're using a Zebra compiled against a newish Yaz... the following no longer works: <retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::*" /> 22:04 * ashimema dissapears again.. time to have a drink 22:04 gmcharlt however, enumerating each special element set *does* work 22:04 gmcharlt e.g., 22:04 gmcharlt <retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::facet::au:0:20" /> 22:05 cait barton: i meant overdue notices 22:05 cait inside of <item> </item> 22:06 barton ah. 22:07 barton Time to update the wiki :-D 22:07 wizzyrea isn't all of that in the manual? 22:07 cait some of it is i think, not sure if all 22:07 wizzyrea and if it isn't, why isn't it 22:07 drojf ashimema: berlin may be an option more often. the room is next to my office and we can use it, so i hope there are a few koha people from time to time that do 22:14 * drojf lures everybody to berlin 22:17 cait hey :) 22:38 dcook I wouldn't be opposed to Berlin, in theory :D 22:41 drojf ha! 22:42 drojf great :) 22:43 dcook Probably not going anywhere until 2017, alas, but keep the ideas and planning coming! 22:43 drojf can't you get stockholm to pay the trip in a sudden oai-pmh twist? :D 22:43 wizzyrea creepy chicken? 22:44 wizzyrea the creepiest chicken? 22:44 wizzyrea creepiest chicken? 22:44 * drojf harvests dcook 22:44 wizzyrea noooo wahanuiiiii 22:44 wizzyrea rangi: can you rescue wahanui? 22:46 pianohacker rangi: no, wahanui, not magnuse 22:48 cait ? 22:50 francesca Where has wahanui gone 22:51 wizzyrea it's ok he'll be back 22:51 wizzyrea he probably crashed. 22:51 dcook Eeep! I'm being harvested! 22:51 wizzyrea O.o kinky 22:51 dcook And how 22:51 dcook drojf: Nah, I'll be working non-stop to get it done ;) 22:51 dcook Speaking of which... *peaces out to go work on the oai-pmh stuff* 22:52 dcook Actually, I lie. I'm going to do some EBSCO stuff first. 22:52 drojf noo, do the cool stuff :P 22:52 dcook hehe 22:52 dcook I am actually quite enjoying it 22:53 dcook The daemon is getting to a good place.. 22:53 dcook Still planning the importer a bit.. 22:53 dcook Actually, where's tcohen when you need him.. 22:53 dcook While the daemon should be able to download things quite quickly, the actual import is going to be a bit slow.. 22:54 dcook Although of course there are lots of ideas about that.. 22:54 dcook Ideally, I'd like to use a Koha API, and just send HTTP requests asynchronously, although I might stress out Apache.. 22:55 dcook Thinking of actually making a second daemon.. 22:55 dcook Anyone familiar with the new indexer we're using with Zebra? 22:55 dcook One daemon to download the record, and one daemon to bind them 22:55 dcook Doesn't sound as impressive as LOTR.. 22:55 magnuse pianohacker: ? 22:55 drojf lol 22:55 drojf tcohen probably ;) 23:00 pianohacker magnuse: don't worry about it 23:02 dcook drojf: I'll investigate myself :) 23:02 dcook I might even put it off as speed might not be a huge problem 23:02 dcook One of those optimizations that can possibly wait 23:02 francesca Lunch time 23:02 dcook Although if it's around the whole design of the importer... perhaps best to get it right from the start 23:05 magnuse pianohacker: now i worry... 23:05 magnuse (in my sleep) 23:08 dcook Ah, I see... koha-indexer by default just uses rebuild_zebra.pl... it just uses the system "daemon" command to manage it.. 23:10 dcook Which just exports records from zebra_queue and puts them in a directory for the daemon to deal with.. 23:11 dcook I've wondered a bit what would happen if you stuck the same record into the Zebra directory twice... I suppose it would try to process it twice unless it has some extra special handling for that.. 23:12 dcook I have been thinking about the downloading daemon just spitting files into a directory and then having an importer daemon slurp them up... 23:13 dcook In theory, the importer daemon could actually be used for all sorts of records and not just those from the OAI-PMH downloader 23:13 * drojf falls in the general bed direction 23:13 dcook hehe 23:13 dcook night drojf 23:13 drojf gnight. see you at 7am maybe ;) 23:14 dcook probably :p