Time Nick Message 00:05 dcook Blarg... always new dependencies... 00:06 dcook Why are we using SOAP... 00:06 dcook NorwegianPatronDB? Boo.. 00:08 dcook And Crypt::GCrypt isn't building.. 00:11 dcook Oh sweet jesus.. 00:11 dcook The hell... 00:11 dcook Why is Koha failing to load when Crypt::GCrypt isn't required... 00:17 dcook eythian: Did you build Crypt::GCrypt for Koha or was it already in Debian? 00:18 eythian looks like it was already there. 00:19 dcook I thought that might be the case.. 00:19 dcook I wonder if they fixed it up themselves. The version from CPAN won't build at all... blarg 00:20 dcook Another question... 00:20 dcook Does "require" load the module but not export anything? 00:20 dcook Crypt::GCrypt appears to be required even though it's marked as not required in the perldeps 00:21 eythian you're using the word "require" with two definitions, I'm no longer sure what you're asking :) 00:21 dcook I'm guessing mainpage.pl uses Koha::Borrowers::Discharge which uses Members which requires Koha::NorwegianPatronDB 00:22 eythian but yes, "require" is like use without the exports I'm pretty sure 00:22 dcook And that's causing mainpage.pl not to compile because I can't install the Crypt::GCrypt which Koha::NorwegianPatronDB uses 00:22 dcook That's what I thought :/ 00:23 dcook Looks like I'm not the only one Crypt::GCrypt won't work for: https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=97201 00:23 dcook I suppose I could force install it but I really rather not do that.. 00:24 eythian https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-perl/packages/ <-- you can probably find any debian patches for it in here 00:24 dcook Just investigating a similar angle now :) 00:24 dcook Damn... yeah that might be the only option.. 00:26 dcook Hmm nothing special at a glance 00:26 dcook Looks like they're skipping tests 00:26 dcook Ah, and a patch to compile with libgcrypt 1.6 00:26 dcook That would be the vital one 00:27 dcook At least for Crypt::Gcrypt 1.26.. 00:27 dcook But Wheezy has 1.25.. 00:28 dcook Well 1.25-1 00:30 dcook Maybe I'll get lucky and someone at openSUSE will have packaged it.. 00:30 dcook Or this is when I learn to package RPMs so I can distribute to my other servers :p 00:35 eythian how hard could it be ;) 00:35 dcook hehe 00:36 dcook Well, in this case, I imagine it shouldn't be too too bad 00:37 dcook Not that I have time for this... 00:37 dcook I suppose I better make time or else no more Koha development which will definitely be a wrench in the works 00:38 dcook Have to wonder a bit about using a crypto library that hasn't been updated in over 2 years though... 00:38 eythian yeah 00:38 dcook Well, I guess it's an interface, but still 00:38 dcook Hmm, the author is active on Github... 00:39 dcook Maybe he doesn't pay attention to CPAN anymore 00:39 rangi in that case i think magnus had to have one that works with what they are expecting at the national library end 00:40 dcook rangi: Yeah, I figured that was probably the case 00:40 dcook I think we've had to do things like that on the Athens side of things 00:40 eythian it sounds like the best solution for now would be to only load that module on demand 00:40 dcook ^ 00:40 rangi theres a patch for that 00:41 rangi it just failed qa, but needs a couple of simple fixes 00:41 rangi using module::conditional::load 00:41 dcook Interesting... how does that work? 00:42 dcook Oh, I see.. 00:42 dcook Interesting 00:42 wahanui Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 00:43 rangi we use it for Koha::Cache and a few other places already 00:43 rangi its better than the if, require import 00:43 rangi old way of doing it 00:43 dcook Yeah, the if/require seems like you wouldn't know a problem exists until much later 00:43 dcook Whereas with this you probably get something in the logs if it doesn't load? 00:45 rangi if you want yep 00:45 dcook Handy 00:45 dcook rangi: Do you recall that bug number off the top of your head? 00:45 rangi if (! can_load (list of modules)) { 00:45 rangi warn "its broken"; 00:45 rangi etc 00:45 * dcook is also going to see if alexrj will update cpan and github... 00:46 rangi nope 00:46 dcook I guess this is my week of reporting bugs upstream 00:46 cait 15182 00:46 dcook cait: You're the best 00:46 dcook bug 15182 00:46 cait it broke my installation... 00:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15182 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , make test fails immediately on 3.22.00-beta due to missing Crypt::GCrypt which is optional 00:46 cait i failed it yesterday 00:46 rangi its using load 00:46 dcook Wow... someone else using openSUSE... wild 00:46 rangi which it doesnt need, can_load loads if it can 01:16 dcook Huh... I wonder why it wouldn't work for Cait.. 01:16 dcook Both Module::Load and Module::Load::Conditional are in core.. 01:17 dcook I guess that should be Module::Load::load rather than just load... 01:17 dcook But then why it would work for others.. 01:18 rangi you dont need it 01:18 rangi can_load does the load 01:18 rangi loading it twice is just silly 01:19 dcook Ahh, neato burrito 01:19 dcook Are you going to comment to that effect? 01:20 rangi not today im not 01:20 dcook Cool. I can convey that for you then, if you don't mind? 01:20 rangi yep thats fine 01:20 dcook Cool. Thanks :) 01:28 dcook Hmm... hmmm haww 01:31 dcook Booywah 01:31 dcook Booyah* 01:31 dcook Cheers rangi 01:31 dcook and cait 01:31 dcook And all the people 02:09 dcook Anyone know where Zebra ouputs info with the packages? 02:09 dcook I'm guessing it is... 02:10 dcook -> /var/log/koha/instance/zebra-output.log 02:10 dcook I guess no time like the present to see if my VM still works.. 02:11 dcook Huzzah.. 02:12 eythian it's there, but it logs bugger all 02:13 dcook Yeah... that's... weird 02:13 dcook The Zebra log I have on openSUSE is awesome 02:13 eythian I don't know if it's just that loglevels are set badly or what 02:13 dcook Sure makes you wonder 02:13 dcook Let's see if I can find a quick answer.. 02:14 dcook It looks a bit odd.. 02:14 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "zebra related processes on Debian" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/167 02:14 dcook Oh wait, I was reading that wrong 02:14 dcook So the daemon starts the zebrasrv process 02:14 dcook We log straight out from zebrasrv.. 02:15 eythian well, those logs are (I presume) catching stderr, stdout. 02:15 eythian or something along those lines 02:16 dcook That's what you'd hope 02:16 dcook Hmm 02:16 dcook Yeah we use zebrasrv -l 02:16 dcook Ah, maybe we do up the log level 02:16 dcook Let's see... 02:16 dcook Nope... 02:18 dcook H'okay... what starts zebrasrv in the first place? 02:19 dcook Let's say the shell command.. 02:21 dcook Ahh, I don't think we're outputting stderr 02:21 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Zebra stuff" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/168 02:21 dcook errlog is the daemon's error ou tput 02:21 dcook not the client's 02:21 dcook That's stderr 02:21 dcook --stderr* 02:22 dcook So we're doing the client's "output" and "stdout" but not "stderr".. 02:23 dcook That said, I do have a zebrasrv [warn] in my zebra-output.log.1 02:26 dcook Hmm --stderr doesn't really make much difference.. 02:26 dcook errr... or maybe it would if the process actually changed.. 02:28 dcook Very interesting... 02:29 dcook Not sure that "is_zebra_running" actually works.. 02:30 dcook Possibly because we're using return codes like exit codes... 02:30 dcook Which I don't think you can do 02:31 dcook Well, then again.. 02:33 eythian dcook: don't forget to pass these on to the packaging manager :) 02:33 dcook hehe 02:33 dcook Well, I was wrong about the return/exit code thing 02:33 dcook Can tell how strong my bash-fu is.. 02:33 dcook It's been ages since I had to work with either 02:33 dcook But it looks like restarting the daemon doesn't restart the daemon... 02:33 dcook It restarts the child process 02:34 dcook But the actual daemon goes chugging along 02:34 dcook I suppose that makes a certain amount of sense.. 02:34 dcook --restart - Restart a named daemon client 02:34 dcook Bah.. 02:35 dcook Not sure how to take down this daemon process without just killing it 02:37 dcook Ah, stopping it does it... 02:41 dcook ...this is so frustrating. 02:45 dcook Hello... 02:45 wahanui well, hello is there an official install guide? i couldnt find anything on the docs page of the site 02:47 dcook Well that's bloody useful 02:48 dcook eythian: Two things 02:48 wahanui Two things are being conflated here making it confusing. 02:48 dcook Apparently you have to use the -l flag 02:48 dcook for zebrasrv 02:48 dcook And second... it turns out that we were specifying a low logging level 02:48 dcook Which didn't show up when I looked up the process with ps... 02:48 eythian ah OK 02:48 * dcook twitches 02:48 dcook Of course, that probably makes sense 02:49 dcook As with full logging, you're logging every search 02:49 eythian we probably don't want that (but being able to turn it on would be nice) 02:49 dcook Yeah, being able to turn it on would be nice 02:49 dcook I suppose logs are rotated weekly... but still 02:51 eythian there's privacy implications among other things 02:55 dcook Got to love documentation that isn't correct... 02:55 dcook turns out "request" is a number log level which isn't documented.. 02:56 dcook Yeah, I suppose privacy might factor in 02:56 dcook Although we're already storing that in the database in search_history 02:56 dcook I suppose that's optional though I think.. 02:58 dcook Huh... turns out koha-restart-zebra will do something ot the zebrasrv process... but still doesn't touch the options.. 02:58 dcook That is, a restart is not the same as a stop and start 03:13 dcook Hmm... turns out you don't need to add the "-l" flag after all... 03:13 dcook Just for some reason instead of going to stderr, it goes to output... 03:14 dcook It's only an additional three lines of content... 04:14 Amit_Gupta hi all 05:56 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha 07:06 June Hi 07:07 June can please someone help me to explain how to deploy Solr in KOHA 07:08 June I do deployment according to this link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr_deployment , but I couldn't find SearchEngine folder 07:29 fridolin hie 07:43 reiveune hello 07:54 * magnuse waves 08:02 alex_a bonjour 08:02 wahanui salut, alex_a 08:31 gaetan_B hello 08:31 wahanui kia ora, gaetan_B 08:37 ashimema June, solr is no longer supported in Koha 08:37 ashimema and hasn't for at least a couple of years 10:40 ashimema quiet in here this morning 10:59 * mveron waves 10:59 mveron @wunder Allschwil 10:59 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 12.0°C (11:50 AM CET on November 17, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 10:59 * cait waves 11:03 ashimema @wunder Stevenage, uk 11:03 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Stevenage, England, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 12.3°C (11:03 AM GMT on November 17, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 11:04 cait @wunder Konstanz 11:04 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 13.0°C (12:00 PM CET on November 17, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 11:51 magnuse @wunder boo 11:51 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (12:20 PM CET on November 17, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Steady). 11:52 magnuse yesterday was freezing 12:11 liw @wunder hel 12:11 huginn liw: Error: No such location could be found. 12:11 liw @wunder helsinki 12:11 huginn liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 7.0°C (1:50 PM EET on November 17, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). 12:31 ashimema hi liw... nice of you to pop in :) 12:33 tcohen morning 12:33 magnuse kia ora tcohen! 12:34 magnuse tcohen: do you know when translations for 3.22 will be updated? 12:35 tcohen today i'm setting string freeze 12:35 tcohen there haven't been many string updates since the last update anyway 12:41 magnuse ok, thanks! 12:41 * magnuse sets aside thursday for translating 12:44 * cait does the same 12:44 cait tcohen: some bugs waiting for you to push them :) 12:44 tcohen hi cait 12:44 cait hi tcohen :) 12:45 * tcohen stares at his queue, *sigh* 12:46 tcohen where are the C4::Dates removal patches?? 12:46 cait working on those next 12:46 cait but there were some red ones first 12:46 cait @later tell drojf rebel! 12:46 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 12:47 tcohen magnuse: why don' tyou use debian/wheezy64 for kohadevbox? 12:51 magnuse tcohen: not sure! 12:51 tcohen heh 13:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15070: Update MARC21 it-IT frameworks to Update 21 (September 2015) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ea1fbe8c7c28e0427366c90bea8192a1033e3d5> / Bug 15171: Display subscriptions which will expire in the future <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=78c1b0198841d832f8aca2c1a8e7d8baffe8a08c> / Bug 15114: Fix typo in opac-suggestion template <http://git.koha-communi 13:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15185: Remove Check*Holidays subroutines in C4::Circulation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7c4ff5bf9e28f910801e1f1229951e61e8b23c4> / Bug 10067: decreaseLoanHighHolds messes with specify due date <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=16213187d91695babb08da4301aeffb2517bf753> / Bug 15175: Respect IntranetBiblioDefaultView syspref <http://git.koha-community.org 13:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15159: TestBuilder behaviour on AI values should be tested <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72d0dc6ed35ce3ea480bbc58a5518c089313894f> 14:05 cait bug 11144 needs a sign-off... :) 14:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11144 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Fix sequence of cronjobs: automatic renewal - fines - overdue notices 14:12 * andreashm waves 14:13 * cait waves 14:13 * ashimema waves 14:13 * magnuse waves 14:14 * ashimema wonders if it's mexican style ;) 14:14 andreashm nice to see a lot of waving. 14:14 andreashm =) 14:14 cait :) 14:15 * ashimema just wrote a non-blocking covers request script.. should be fun to see how the supplier copes with that. 14:15 andreashm anyone know of an easy way to increase the size of Kohadevbox vagrant disk image? 14:15 * andreashm is looking at you magnuse 14:15 ashimema magnuse.. your up 14:15 ashimema ;) 14:16 * ashimema should really look int devbox again at some point 14:16 * andreashm is trying to use a copy of our db... can't rebuild zebra because of disk space limit 14:16 ashimema I assume devbox is still using the gitify approach right.. in the end that's what put me off.. made a bunch of stuff harder to work with I found 14:32 misilot is there a way to mark an item (or item type) for in library use only? so it states for use in library only to the staff member checking out the item? 14:32 misilot I am on 3.18 right now 14:32 cait in 3.18 it's not quite doable yet 14:32 cait what you are looking for are on-site checouts 14:33 misilot which are there 14:33 cait there are 2 prefs for that in 3.18 14:33 cait but you can't restrict to only allow on-site checkouts in 3.18 - that will work in 3.22 14:33 misilot ah, ok so in 3.22 we would be able to restrict items to be on-site checkouts only 14:33 misilot ? 14:34 cait yes, sec 14:34 cait bug 14045 14:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14045 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add specific quotas to on-site checkout 14:35 cait you could set a circulation condition to 0 normal checkouts allowed and x on-site checokuts allowed 14:35 misilot thanks cait :) 14:35 cait and then set the new pref to 'don't count on-site as normal chekouts' 14:36 misilot i think it will be a while before we get this :( though it is nice to know it is coming 14:37 magnuse andreashm: it should be documented somewhere around here: https://docs.vagrantup.com/v2/vagrantfile/index.html 14:37 cait maybe set it to be 'for reference' for now... and then have circ staff handle it? 14:37 magnuse andreashm: i think you have to tweak this line: https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/blob/master/Vagrantfile#L25 but not sure of the details 14:37 * magnuse runs off to make dinner 14:42 andreashm thanks magnuse 14:42 * andreashm is trying to clone the disk to vdi to be able to increase size. we'll see how it goes 15:16 mveron Hi again #koha after a long meeting 15:45 * cait waves at mveron 15:46 cait i need a rebase for the serials patch i am afraid 15:51 * mveron waves back, was distracted by a phone call 15:52 cait hm testing again 15:52 cait mveron: hmpf - patches apply now :) 15:52 cait sorry for the trouble 15:52 * mveron likes magic... 15:53 tcohen cait: you need to --hard reset before testing sutff :-P :-P 15:53 cait hmpf 15:53 cait don't annoy the qa person 15:53 cait i went for a walk outside... that could have helped a bit :) 15:54 tcohen heh 15:54 * mveron will file a bug for self healing patches :-) 15:55 tcohen mveron: that'd be awesome 15:56 cait some help with the dates patches would be good 15:56 cait ashimema: khall - ping? :) 15:56 khall what's up? 15:57 ashimema pong 15:57 cait i need help :) 15:57 cait 14960, 14946 15:57 cait 14954 15:58 cait they are still valid for 3.22... 15:58 tcohen indeed 15:58 * ashimema will try to look this evening if khall hasn't beat him to it.looking after not very well millie right now 15:58 khall I'll see what I can do! 15:58 mveron ...and bug 14870 needs sign-off 15:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Delete C4/Dates.pm from System 15:59 cait poor millie 15:59 cait hope she feels better soon 15:59 tcohen oh! 15:59 cait oh? 15:59 ashimema ? 15:59 * tcohen sends hugs to millie 15:59 cait mveron: did i miss another? 15:59 cait i am working on the serials one 15:59 cait so i didn't list that :) 16:00 mveron It is the final clean-up bug 16:00 ashimema millie's just a bit under the weather.. nothing serious.. just enough to make it so me working is near impossible.. 16:00 ashimema one handed codeing whilst rocking baby in other arm is hard ;) 16:00 cait heh you can ask tcohen for tips 16:01 ashimema :D 16:02 cait but seriously - it would be great if we could finish the dates patches between us 16:02 * mveron about 25 years ago introduced an easter egg into a software that played a children's melody. It helped to smooth the baby :-) 16:03 bag ha :) 16:03 bag I like that 16:03 cait you could do that now with the new sound alerts 16:03 mveron :-) 16:04 ashimema you see my pm bag? 16:05 bag no I didn’t 16:05 bag could be on my office computer 16:05 ashimema no worries.. 16:05 tcohen later, i'm starving :-D 16:06 ashimema I was congratulating you on rm.. and asking if you wanted me to stand for auth mm and qa team again.. as I totally missed the meetings and stuff 16:06 bag oh yes please :) 16:06 ashimema I'm hoping I'll have a bit more time this cycle.. though not likely for a few more weeks.. need to tie up some projects before I get back into the koha mindset 16:07 cait :) 16:14 cait ugh 16:14 cait I have a subscription... where generate next will only work every other time 16:14 cait so once it reloads the page not changing anything... and then the next time it does... and the issue number is +2 then... 16:15 cait and yes... master and with the patches 16:42 mveron cait: I tested with 2 different serials, with and without patches, could not reproduce. 16:42 cait yeah i have t see if i can reproduce 16:42 cait the logs are empty 16:43 cait it might be something specific to this subscription... but it's really weird 16:43 mveron cait: Frequency? 16:43 cait 1/month 16:44 cait numbering pattern: number 16:44 mveron 1/day, will test new one with 1/month 16:44 reiveune bye 16:45 cait thx! 16:46 cait i think it's not yoru patches... but it remains odd 16:47 cait i am using generate next on the serials collection page 16:48 mveron I did the same with a new serial, 1/month, then receive first one, then generate next on serials-collection.pl 16:49 mveron It behaves OK. But it takes about 4-5 sec to generate the next one. 16:50 mveron I tried to break it by hitting "Generate next" several times while it is not finished yet, but it behaved well. 16:51 mveron cait: I propose you file a bug for it, we then can explore it later (since it is the same with and without patches) 16:55 cait yep i will 16:55 cait just finishing dinner first 16:55 mveron enjoy :-) 17:01 cait i will try to investigate more first.. might be sometin gin my database 17:03 bag some GIN in your database? 17:04 cait ? 17:04 cait oh 17:04 cait something :) 17:05 cait but of course drunken databases are best for testing 17:06 bag HA 17:22 gaetan_B bye 17:44 * trasheagle slaps trasheagle around a bit with a large fishbot 17:44 trasheagle whoa 18:20 cait mveron: i think i figured it out, something weird in the prediction pattern - it creates different years each turn - so the generated issue for one appears hidden in the issues from last year.. 18:40 cait mveron: still around? 18:41 cait founda problem with the acqui patches 18:41 mveron cait: Sorry, was distracted... Neighbours... 18:41 cait np 18:41 cait i will test continue testing the other pages 18:41 mveron cait: OK, will have a look at 14946 18:42 cait hm 18:42 cait it's weird - it also happens on the parcels page for me 18:42 cait ugh 18:42 cait give me a moment 18:42 cait forget it 18:42 wahanui cait: I forgot it 18:42 cait it's me 18:42 cait again 18:43 cait i think i disqualified for testing tonight... 18:43 cait i loaded an older database 18:43 cait and it has a different dateformat setting 18:43 mveron Ok, glad to hear :-) 18:43 * cait is embarassed 18:43 mveron And you are very qualified for testing :-) 18:43 mveron cait++ 18:44 cait maybe not right now, i will take a break 18:44 mveron Do so... 18:44 * mveron sends some chocolate... 18:44 cait we are still a bit closer :) 18:44 cait thx! 18:54 tcohen what else? 18:54 cait tcohen: hm? 18:55 tcohen i want more patches to push! 18:55 tcohen bugfixes? 18:55 wahanui bugfixes are still fair game 18:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15168: (followup) remove useless diags <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ca825ed80e8a7d13da9085659d091d21aacbbac> / Bug 14960: Simplify the date management in staticfines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=576155df656b4360484c46b00c521cb2087d1049> / Bug 14960: Remove C4::Dates from files in misc/cronjobs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com 18:55 tcohen ehh 18:55 cait my brain is not working 18:55 cait i need a break! 18:59 tcohen bbl 18:59 tcohen bye! 19:01 rangi magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr_deployment <-- better 19:01 rangi what you can do is add {{Obsolete}} to the top of the page, and it does that 19:02 cait i just read recently we were kicking out zebra for solr.. 19:02 cait *sigh* 19:02 rangi who wrote that? 19:02 cait it was in a protocol from a meeting 19:03 cait i am not sure the obsolete is enough - maybe we should also put a note that it has not been implemened and there are currently no plans to do it? 19:04 trasheagle The change from Zebra to Solr would impact the project I am working on. 19:04 rangi it would if it was happening 19:04 rangi its not 19:04 rangi elastic search is being added 19:04 rangi but not replacing Zebra at least not in the next year or 2, only as well as 19:06 cait hm i switched http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switch_to_Solr_RFC too 19:07 rangi cool 19:08 cait only took me like 5 tries to get it right... it#s good i stopped testing for now 19:09 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr/Lucene_Documentation too? 19:09 rangi yeah 19:09 rangi hopefully our newly elected wiki editor will do some tidying too ;) 19:16 rangi hmm people who evaluate software, by doing a literature search ... yeah .. that might work if software NEVER CHANGED 19:30 bag magnuse: HI 20:43 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15188 well that's a pretty terrible bug. 20:43 huginn 04Bug 15188: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , remove_unused_authorities.pl will delete all authorities if zebra is not running 20:43 bag wow 20:44 cait yep 20:44 cait but no patch yet 20:44 bag wonders how often that script is run? 20:44 * bag has never but that doesn’t mean someone hasn’t 20:44 wizzyrea this condition is probably not terrifically common 20:47 cait theoretically tho... someone could want to run it in cron 20:47 cait to clean up authorities they missed up deleting 20:47 wizzyrea right, but zebra has to be not running 20:47 wizzyrea and under normal circumstances it always is 20:48 wizzyrea so it wouldn't pop up thaaaat often 20:48 wizzyrea but if you cronned it, yeah it could be terribly dangerous. 20:48 cait yeah... but when it does... it's pretty terrible 20:48 cait only way to recover is from backups 20:48 wizzyrea yeah 20:48 wizzyrea very bad no good. 20:48 * cait nods 20:48 cait definitely worth fixing 20:59 xarragon So when I am manually usig yaz-client against the koha zebra database I get an error message about 'Default' being unavailable. 21:00 xarragon I assume this is the name of the default Database (not present) and I need to perform the equivalent of 'USE DATABASE koha' (from mysql), which should be 'base koha'? 21:00 bag I think it’s biblios 21:01 xarragon bag: Ah, thanks! it works 21:01 bag sweet 21:01 cait bag++ 21:01 cait also khall++ - thx for qa :) 21:01 bag yay! 21:01 xarragon bag++ 21:01 bag khall++ 21:03 cait I think i can finish bug 14946 later, but we still need qa for bug 12072, bug 14954 and sign off for 14870 then 21:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14946 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Remove C4::Dates from files acqui/*.pl 21:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , New dateformat dd.mm.yyyy 21:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14954 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove C4::Dates from holiday related files in folder tools 21:04 wizzyrea bug 14870 21:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Delete C4/Dates.pm from System 21:04 bag cait I’m going to go make lunch - but I’m your man after lunch to QA those 2 :) (maybe sign off) 21:06 xarragon Ah, I can probably use the 'explain' facility to get the database names 21:07 cait bag: any help much appreciated :) 21:07 cait be a bit careful about the dependencies when you do the sign off 21:09 bag hmm ok I may ask for some help/clarification when I’m back 21:12 xarragon Got to love the section numbering of the Z39.59 (2003) spec: 21:12 xarragon "3.2.2.1.2 Database-names 21:13 xarragon Yes, it is 280 pages long.. But I almost thought it was a phone number at first glance :-) 21:14 bag :D 21:14 bag ha 21:16 cait heh 21:21 wizzyrea don't we keep the zebra database names in the koha-conf.xml 21:21 wizzyrea or are we talking about something else. 21:22 wizzyrea it's like biblios and authorities (aren't we creative) 21:31 xarragon wizzyrea: Yes, probably. it is also listed on the 'explain' page.. The default one 21:31 jcamins Yes, yes, and don't you know it? :) 21:31 xarragon It is just me being completely unfamiliar with yaz/z3* and zebra all at once 21:31 jcamins "And I shall call this land... land." 21:31 jcamins :) 21:31 wizzyrea :D 21:32 xarragon I am basically just trying out doing manual queries directly with the zebra server. 21:35 xarragon End goal being able to understand the syntax of z39.50 so that I can query a specific index/MARC-field from Koha 21:36 xarragon So I have bee digging through from the filesystem level up through the stack, doing some tutorials and generally abusing the indexer 21:36 xarragon I was looking the XSLT transformation stuff but got scared, having figured out that field 001 was seemingly actually being indexed already 21:36 magnuse hm, does plack and memcached not play well together? 21:37 rangi magnuse: they play together fine 21:38 magnuse rangi: not on my server... :-( 21:38 rangi what are the symptoms? 21:38 magnuse i can log in, but whatever i click on i get "session expired" and the login screen 21:39 rangi most likely our bug then 21:40 rangi because of the silly put memcached stuff in env variables in a apache 21:41 magnuse rangi: uh huh? 21:42 rangi so koha bug, not a memcached/plack one .. i bet the variables aren't being passed through, unless we removed it from the apache conf and put it back in koha-conf.xml where it belongs already 21:43 magnuse i have it both places, just to be sure... 21:44 magnuse but i guess koha expects it to be in apache config 21:44 rangi try 21:44 rangi echo "stats items" | nc 127.0.0.1 11211 21:44 rangi see if anything is actually set in your memcached 21:44 rangi or 21:44 bag what’s nc ? 21:44 rangi netcat 21:44 bag thanks 21:48 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "stats items" (62 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/169 21:49 * bag curious to see what you’re looking for 21:49 rangi you can then do 21:50 rangi echo "stats cachedump 1 100" | nc 127.0.0.1 11211 21:50 rangi and 6 21:50 rangi 7 8 20 etc 21:50 rangi to see whats actually in there 21:50 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "stats cachedump" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/170 21:51 rangi right, so it's caching something 21:51 bag nice password magnuse ;) 21:51 bag just kidding 21:51 rangi id check each of those slabs (the number after items: is a slab id) 21:51 rangi see if you can find any that have session data 21:52 magnuse bag: huh what where? ;-) 21:52 bag HA 21:52 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "maybe 6?" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/171 21:53 rangi yep, those look like them 21:53 rangi so it looks like it is at least setting them ok 21:54 magnuse similar stuff in 7 and 8 21:55 bag session storage is set to memcache? or it doesn’t matter memcache just stores it anyways? 21:56 magnuse SessionStorage = memcached 21:56 magnuse huh, now it seems to be working... 21:57 rangi heh 21:58 magnuse yup, it's working 21:59 magnuse it could feel us getting closer, peering into the secrets of memcached, so it decided to behave (for now?) 22:00 bag don’t blink 22:00 bag or turn your back 22:00 bag step slowly backwards 22:00 magnuse well, i do plan to sleep pretty soon ;-) 22:01 bag just cache your sleep man 22:01 magnuse lulz! 22:01 * bag secertly proud of that one (self high five) 22:02 magnuse well deserved, i'd say! 22:02 magnuse knuckles! 22:04 magnuse rangi++ for memcached magic - i'll see if i can add it to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_memcached in a coherent way in the morning 22:05 rangi cool 22:06 magnuse btw, when i discovered i had forgoten to install memcached on my experimental plack server i had more than 300k session files in /tmp... 22:07 rangi yep, its not pretty 22:07 magnuse moved a database from my production server to the plack server. in the database was SessionStorage = memcached, but no memcached on the server 22:07 eythian hi 22:07 wahanui hello, eythian 22:08 magnuse kia ora eythian 22:09 magnuse have fun #koha! 22:10 bag night night magnuse 22:28 tcohen hi 22:28 dcook yo tcohen 22:32 tcohen volunteers to look at failing tests? 22:36 * cait hides 22:40 dcook I'm looking at issues with charmaps :) 22:40 dcook When I should actually be working on a different project all together >_> 22:40 dcook Btw, thanks for your comments on Bugzilla, cait :) 22:41 dcook I probably won't have time to respond until next week, but thanks :) 22:41 * cait thinks 22:41 cait oai? 22:41 dcook Yep 22:43 dcook The charmap one is tricky... 22:43 dcook Take the following example: 22:43 dcook equivalent ï(ie) 22:43 dcook map ï i 22:43 dcook It appears that this makes ï and ie equivalent... and ï gets mapped to i 22:44 dcook So searches for "siemon" are the same as searches for "sïmon" which as the same as searches for "simon" 22:44 dcook map seems to affect indexing and searching, while equivalent only affects searching 22:44 dcook As "sïmon" becomes "simon" in the indexes, while "siemon" stays as "siemon" 22:44 dcook But I can potentially understand the reasoning for the equivalent directive... 22:44 dcook Especially when I look at "equivalent å(aa)" 22:45 dcook Since 'aa' and "å" really are equivalent in Scandinavian languages I thin 22:45 dcook think* 22:45 dcook Of course, I suppose one should be using ICU for multilingual content, although I wonder if that same problem occurs there.. 22:46 dcook Probably not... it probably doesn't handle that equivalence 22:46 dcook Unless you write your ICU chain for Scandinavian languages.. 22:50 bag @wunder 97215 22:50 huginn bag: The current temperature in Kittyland Love Center, E Tabor, Portland, Oregon is 11.8°C (2:50 PM PST on November 17, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 22:50 bag wicked windy here - like 20 mph+ 22:51 * dcook had forgotten that bag had moved 22:51 dcook Hurray for the pacific northwest :) 22:51 bag yay! 22:54 eythian bag: 20mph? 22:54 eythian that's not wind 22:55 eythian it's barely a breeze! 22:55 wizzyrea yeah, not wind. 22:55 wizzyrea >.> 22:55 bag sorry I will go back to being blown in the wind then 22:56 dcook 20mph... 22:56 dcook What's that in sane measurements.. 22:56 dcook 32km.. 22:56 dcook Bah :p 22:56 bag loud :) 22:57 bag I think you all are missing the plus that I added - + as in 20mph + ;) 22:57 dcook Oh and "like" 22:57 eythian it's about 30kph here right now, which is to say, not windy at all :) 22:57 bag phew 22:58 dcook Google says 27km/h :p 22:58 dcook Can't recall the strongest wind speeds I've encountered... 22:58 dcook 60? 80? 22:58 eythian probably around 120-130 here. 22:58 dcook I mean being out in. I don't think I've gone out in the triple digits 22:58 bag ok so it says gusts up to 56 km/h 23:00 dcook https://www.ec.gc.ca/manobs/default.asp?lang=En&n=361F311D-1 23:00 dcook 22-27km, technically classed as a strong breeze 23:00 dcook 56-63 violent storm 23:00 dcook 64+ hurricane 23:00 dcook That doesn't seem right 23:00 eythian oh, it's a severe weather watch day here today. 23:01 dcook Ah, knots 23:01 dcook Not kms 23:01 dcook 22 knots is 40km apparently 23:01 eythian oh, for friday we're expecting it to be windy 23:01 dcook 56 knots is 103km 23:01 dcook 56km is 30 knots so.. 23:01 dcook Near gale, bag ;) 23:02 bag nice that’s clarified for me :) 23:02 bag I wish this gale would quiet down 23:02 dcook But, being in the pacific northwest, you're allowed to complain 23:02 dcook unjustifiably allowed to complain* 23:02 dcook ;) 23:02 dcook My favourite thing visiting Vancouver in winter... all the mounds of salt from where people were freaking out about their 6 hours of ice on the roads 23:02 bag excellent - I shall take advantage 23:03 dcook Or the sound of snowplows taking off the top layer of asphalt in Vancouver after snow has fallen... and melted before the truck has even gotten there... 23:03 bag yeah 23:03 * dcook loves taking the piss out of west coast people in winter 23:03 eythian apparently 248kph is the highest in Wellington 23:04 dcook Fortunately, it's super cold and super windy in Saskatchewan in the winter and super hot in the summer, so we can justifiably complain all year round 23:04 dcook Nice, eythian 23:04 eythian and ~200 days of the year it's over gale force 23:05 bag nice 30 cm of snow up on mount hood - skiing time soon :) 23:19 tcohen eythian: can u take a look at 15200? that tests should be context-independent, maybe we introduced a bug 23:19 eythian bug 15200 23:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15200 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , t/Creators.t fails when using build-git-snapshot 23:19 tcohen btw, did you manage to build the beta? :-D 23:20 eythian tcohen: I'm not the 3.22 package manager! :) 23:20 dcook hehe 23:20 dcook tcohen: Thanks for pushing that conditional loading patch! 23:20 tcohen thanks for supporting it! 23:20 tcohen hehe 23:21 eythian tcohen: so the actual failure is those t/Creators.t tests 23:21 tcohen mirko filled that bug 23:21 eythian though, I guess if it can't find the fonts, that might be wierd 23:21 tcohen that's not jenkins problem right now 23:22 tcohen i only take care of jenkins hahahah 23:22 tcohen well, not there yet 23:23 eythian I'm not sure where it's getting the koha-conf that it uses for building from 23:23 eythian I thought it might have been the one in etc/ but that has full paths 23:25 tcohen eythian: that's pre-rules right? 23:25 eythian no 23:25 eythian well 23:25 eythian I'm pretty sure the rules stuff is applied first 23:26 tcohen k 23:30 tcohen f*ck 23:31 tcohen it is not mocking C4::Context :'-( 23:32 tcohen someone should fund rewriting the test suite, at least making it kosher and cover most of the code 23:33 bag done 23:33 bag how much? 23:33 * cait is curious about tcohen's reaction 23:33 tcohen i'm shocked 23:34 bag once we get the grants part of the “fund†done - that’s a good thing to apply for money for :D 23:34 dcook :D 23:34 * tcohen agrees 100% 23:35 bag bobb and galen are writing that part now :) 23:35 tcohen I remember when you mentioned in Reno 23:35 tcohen how difficult was to have libraries invest in "hidden stuff" 23:35 tcohen and several libraries raising their hands at once 23:35 tcohen saying they cared about the project maintainability 23:36 tcohen libraries++ 23:36 bag def 23:36 bag libraries++ 23:38 tcohen eythian: unset KOHA_CONF ; prove t/Creators.t => FAIL damn 23:40 eythian ah 23:40 eythian but, we do have a koha-conf when running tests I think, don't we? 23:41 tcohen i'm not sure, I don't think so 23:41 cait bag: are you testin g14954? 23:42 bag yes 23:42 cait i would take 12072 next then 23:42 bag yes 14954 23:42 cait hm my auto scroll stopped working agian 23:42 cait k thx :) 23:42 cait ah, i should probably do 14870 first 23:43 tcohen eythian: i don't see it happening, unless the env's KOHA_CONF is propagated into the pdebuild environment… which owuld point to a non-existing file hm 23:48 cait hm that's not looking good 23:48 cait oh 23:48 tcohen later #koha 23:49 cait just forgot one dependent patch