Time Nick Message
01:39 pianohacker @later tell cait patched QA issues for rancor
01:39 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
03:50 eythian @seen dcook
03:50 huginn eythian: dcook was last seen in #koha 5 days, 20 hours, 54 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <dcook> Europe is coming online, while we Oceanic folk go home
07:17 * magnuse waves
07:21 * cait waves
07:21 * cait asks people to sign off on the remaining C4::Dates patches
07:34 marcelr hi #koha
07:38 Francesca hi marcelr
07:40 marcelr :)
07:42 reiveune hello
07:55 alex_a bonjour
07:55 wahanui hello, alex_a
07:57 Joubu hi
07:57 wahanui what's up, Joubu
08:02 magnuse @later tell rangi i can haz bug 15042 in 3.20.x plueeses? kthxbai
08:02 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
08:05 gaetan_B hello
08:06 magnuse @wunder boo
08:06 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:50 AM CET on October 26, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
08:06 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:06 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 17.0°C (9:00 AM CET on October 26, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:06 magnuse oops
08:11 sophie_m magnus, the gap is deeper than friday :)
08:15 Francesca @wunder wlg
08:15 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on October 26, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
08:15 Francesca hmmm not much difference
08:16 Francesca I think I'd still take frances weather though
08:19 cait morning #koha
09:06 * andreashm waves
09:10 * cait waves back
09:31 * magnuse waves too
09:32 * liw undulates
09:37 magnuse tjänare Viktor
09:37 Viktor Hei Magnuse
09:55 * cait waves again
10:06 * andreashm waves back (again)
10:08 andreashm good to see activity on bug 13799 again, not so good that it's problems with the patches. oooh.
10:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Add base for building RESTful API
10:13 * ashimema was just trying to replicate that
10:27 magnuse ashimema++
10:30 * ashimema was about to submit his followups when he saw the comment.. hense why they're not there yet..
10:34 andreashm ashimema++
10:35 sophie_m Hello : in release notes for Koha 3.18.10 it is said that Bug 14690 is in (and it really is), but the report is always in NSO ?
10:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14690 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Needs Signoff , Patron import tool page missing extra search patron options
10:40 cait i think maybe liz forgot to swith it
10:52 * Oak waves
10:53 Oak Guten tag cait.
10:53 Oak magnuse
10:55 cait hi Oak:)
10:58 Joubu @later tell on d7 master, I have executer alter table biblioitems auto_increment=115; alter table biblio auto_increment=115; to make GetTopIssues.t pass. There is something wrong somewhere... I hope it's just the tests
10:58 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:59 ashimema who you telling there Joubu?
11:00 ashimema 'on' ;)
11:00 Joubu ashimema: hum?
11:00 ashimema you're later.. looked odd
11:00 khall Joubu: looks like you didn't specify a username for your later
11:00 Joubu erk
11:00 ashimema no reference to a user ;)
11:00 Joubu @later tell tcohen on d7 master, I have executer alter table biblioitems auto_increment=115; alter table biblio auto_increment=115; to make GetTopIssues.t pass. There is something wrong somewhere... I hope it's just the tests
11:00 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
11:01 Joubu thanks ashimema
11:01 ashimema hehe :)
11:01 ashimema sorta thing I do all the time ;)
11:03 ashimema jajm about?
11:03 ashimema I see your working on bug 13799
11:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Add base for building RESTful API
11:04 ashimema and have fixed my overly hasty spec file refactoring (regarding the $ref missing)
11:04 ashimema I don't like that you've removed the type's however
11:04 ashimema if we remove those.. we may as well not use swagger
11:07 * ashimema goes off to do somthing else then.. no point in working on 13799 whilst jajm is also working on it.. will just lead to loads of conflicts :(
11:11 sophie_m Joubu : hello
11:12 sophie_m Joubu, http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14584#c6 you said not to backport in 3.18, but it is in 3.18.11
11:12 huginn 04Bug 14584: major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Encoding broken with system preferences
11:13 Joubu sophie_m: ha :)
11:14 Joubu weird, Liz didn't mark it "push to 3.18"
11:14 sophie_m It is in release notes and i checked it is really in 3.18.11. Should we revert it in production ?
11:16 Joubu sophie_m: I think so, but before you should test, see the commit message for a test plan
11:16 * ashimema dislikes swagger with a passion sometimes..
11:18 Joubu @later tell tcohen Search.t fail on D7 suddenly but I suspect you just enable it. I have checked out 4132ac28bf088960d25766fccc60ba1535a0e8ef which introduce the test and it fails too.
11:18 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
11:42 andreashm ashimema: no luck with swagger today?
11:43 ashimema well.. jajm is currently posting patches..
11:43 ashimema so there's little point on my doing followups until he's finished
11:43 ashimema else I'll just spend time doing the same as him.. or rebased after him
11:44 ashimema however.. he's highlighted a failing in swagger in his latest patch.. (which I knew about, but was ignoring in my own app)
11:44 ashimema my stance is that if we don't use swagger to validatte the api then there's very ittle point in using swagger at all
11:45 ashimema but.. there are some strange decisions in the swagger community meaning that swagger is not json-schema compatible.. and thus a bunch of perfectly reasonable schema requirements are not obtainable using swagger schema..
11:45 ashimema 'string or null' being one such case..
11:46 ashimema jajm's latest followup just removes all validation from the schema files.. no point in having them then is my opinion on that
11:48 jajm ashimema, hi
11:49 jajm ashimema, do you disagree with my patches ?
11:50 ashimema the very last followup I do... but i must admit i'm not sure yet what to suggest instead
11:50 ashimema without type's I see not point in having those definitions at all :(
11:51 ashimema but I do see your point on oneOf not being swagger valid.. (Swagger is stupid in my opinion with this regard)
11:51 jajm they could be used to build documentation
11:51 ashimema in my own ap I flag not to be fully swagger compliant
11:52 ashimema if that's all we're suign them for.. we may as well jsut write human radable documentation ;)
11:52 ashimema s/radabale/readable
11:52 ashimema in plain text
11:52 ashimema the entire point of swagger is to be machine readable allowing for automatic client generation
11:53 ashimema So.. we either need to stick to swagger proper and thus write our api's to be compliant (and thus have types defined and stick to their limited types)..
11:53 ashimema needs opening up to a wider audience
11:54 cait ashimema: would there be an alternative that would work better?
11:54 cait or is it mostly that it isn't worth the hassle if we can't use them for generation (which i might agree with... one more thing to keep in sync then)
11:56 ashimema It's just a hard one to work with..
11:56 ashimema in koha.. null/undef is meaningful at the moment..
11:56 ashimema that's the issue
11:57 ashimema In swagger.. you can do 'not exists' and 'exists and is of type'.. you can't do 'exists and is of type OR exists and is null/undef'
11:58 ashimema In a fully restful world I suppose a 'not exists' should be treated the same as 'is null'.. which is where the swagger people are coming from
11:59 ashimema jajm.. in your opinion what does a null mean in the api?
11:59 cait i wonder - can you give an example where empty and null mean differnt things in Koha?
11:59 ashimema OK.. users..
12:00 ashimema PUT { streetaddress: null }
12:00 ashimema PUT { streetaddress: "some string" }
12:00 ashimema PUT { }
12:00 cait i think koah is bad ther eitself
12:00 cait if you look at a patron record... sometimes we have nulland sometimes it's empty
12:00 ashimema first one to me means 'Delete streetaddress', second one means 'Set streetaddress to 'some string''
12:01 cait maybe also depending on if the record was changed later - a field emptied out vs. never filled
12:01 jajm null mean nothing special, simply "no value"
12:01 ashimema and third one is opaque.. did you miss out streetaddress because it should be deleted.. or because you forgot to set it
12:01 cait hm so put is also for delete?
12:01 ashimema So.. rather than remove types.. set all fields to 'required' and be explicit about an empty string
12:02 ashimema 'PUT' is for UPDATE.. and always expects an entire object
12:02 ashimema so.. my objects above are in fact invalid to start with.. because I did not include every field for brevity
12:03 cait hm you always have to include all fields?
12:03 cait sound slike that woudl get really hard to maintain
12:03 ashimema PUT's are bad for big objects anyways (we should use PATCH).. but that's an entirely different story
12:03 cait everytime the table changes, api partners woudl need to adapt
12:03 ashimema exactly cait..
12:03 ashimema PATCH is nicer on that front
12:04 ashimema though it still stands for CREATE and UPDATE routes.. they shold both expect a full object every time..
12:05 cait hm guess you could create like a 'minimal borrower' route?
12:05 cait that requires less things?
12:05 ashimema you could..
12:05 ashimema there are various ways to do it..
12:06 ashimema /borrowers/id = expect full object
12:06 ashimema /borrowers/id/fieldname = expect just that field object
12:08 ashimema I should probably continue with the guidelines
12:08 ashimema more than the patch itself.. this is what we're really arguing over..
12:09 ashimema If our 'nulls' are not meaningful then there really is no point in having them at all ;)
12:09 ashimema thus the types can go back in..
12:11 ashimema with 'allowEmptyValue' set
12:12 ashimema except.. it's only valid for query string or formData..
12:12 ashimema ffs
12:23 cait sorry was afk
12:23 cait reading back
12:23 * cait sends cookies
12:28 ashimema hmm jajm..
12:28 ashimema looks like this may be a null point..
12:28 ashimema type: [ integer, null ]
12:28 ashimema seems to work
12:31 jajm ashimema, is that thing in the swagger spec ?
12:32 tcohen morning
12:33 jajm it seems it's part of json schema spec http://json-schema.org/latest/json-schema-validation.html#anchor79
12:35 tcohen Joubu: the failing SEarch.t tests are due to recent changes
12:35 tcohen I've only fixed the failure on D8
12:37 tcohen hi cait
12:41 cait hi tcohen :)
12:50 jajm ashimema, should I submit a patch with "string" replaced by ["string", "null"] ?
12:53 ashimema jajm.. i just tried it in the swagger editor and it didn't complain..
12:53 ashimema though i can't find anywhere in the swagger docs for it :(
12:53 jajm ashimema, i tried it in koha and it works
12:54 ashimema :)
12:54 jajm it's part of json schema spec http://json-schema.org/latest/json-schema-validation.html#anchor79
12:56 cait cooperation++
12:59 ashimema indeed it is..
12:59 ashimema but it appears that it's part that is supported by swagger.. unless it's a bug in the swagger editor demo they host
13:00 ashimema swagger != json-schema unfortunately as you are aware.. swagger both removes json-schema features and add's it's own features.
13:00 ashimema I still think the broader question is whether our nulls are meaningful.. if they are not then we shuld likely not allow them in the requests and responses.. ;)
13:02 ashimema and rather write our api to be consistent and valid against restful principles ;)
13:05 jajm you mean we should remove null fields from the response ?
13:11 ashimema let me continue writing the guidelines page for a while..
13:11 ashimema then getting your comments on it would be the best place to start ;)
13:12 ashimema the bug itself I personally believe is pretty pushable.
13:28 tcohen ashimema: so it is passed-qa?
13:34 ashimema I signed off.. so think khall was going to p-qa
13:34 ashimema ;0
13:34 ashimema but yeah.. in my opinion I'd pass it..
13:34 ashimema the documentation is in the works as I type.
13:34 khall ashimema: which bug are you referring to?
13:34 ashimema and will deffo need lots of inputs.
13:35 ashimema restful base.. bug 13799
13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Add base for building RESTful API
13:35 ashimema some of the followups are done now.. enough that I think it's a viable goer
13:35 khall yes, I've been looking at that this morning. I'm ready to pass it!
13:35 ashimema I'll be adding further followup to enhance the spec files and the patrons route once i've articulated my thoughts in the guidlines I'm curretly writing.
13:37 ashimema also.. I really want us at some point to switch all occurrences of Borrowers or Patrons to Users codebase wide.. (I don't like the api being 'patrons' but understand people wanting it consistent with the internal api) ;)
13:37 khall agreed
13:37 ashimema users is a much more generic term and better fits the software.. to me Patron and Borrower both mean 'OPAC Users'.. yet our tables bundle staff and public users into one.. they're users..
13:38 khall I'd like to see consistency at the least. too many terms right now
13:38 ashimema I have no idea why at some point we went from borrowers to patrons.. but both are wrong ;)
13:38 khall ashimema: tcohen: I just put my qa stamp of approval on 13799
13:39 ashimema cheers khall
13:39 khall np!
13:39 ashimema push and prosper tcohen :)
13:39 ashimema hugs all round
13:40 khall I'd love to see this in 3.22 if that's possible
13:41 ashimema me too
13:41 ashimema I think that's tcohen's aim :)
13:41 magnuse @confetti!
13:41 huginn magnuse: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
13:41 magnuse confetti!
13:41 wahanui somebody said confetti was https://31.media.tumblr.com/f53100e15d6190ade350c3d98b0ccd54/tumblr_n5soy8FDMK1tt9lrzo6_250.gif
13:42 tcohen jajm++ ashimema++ khall++ Joubu++
13:45 magnuse yeah! jajm++ ashimema++ khall++ Joubu++
13:46 tcohen koha++
13:47 cait ashimema: don't forget members
13:48 cait ashimema: we have borrowers members fromt he original codebase (NZ?) and then patrons because AE i think... and... I do't want to think too much about it
13:49 ashimema hehe..
13:49 ashimema true.. had forgotten members
13:50 ashimema users is the most sensible collective term I believe.. it's certainly what the majority of web apps out there use ;)
13:50 tcohen we should stick with inetOrgPerson :-P
13:51 ashimema lol
13:51 * ashimema slaps tcohen with a wet fish
13:51 tcohen :-P
13:55 magnuse HumanEntity?
13:56 tcohen magnuse: really? would you exclude martians? you racist
13:56 tcohen :-P
13:56 ashimema what about bots magnuse ;)
13:56 misilot or service accounts
13:57 tcohen yeah, and cats? what about cats????
13:57 * tcohen stops making sily jokes and goes congratulate Joubu for another bug fixed
14:01 Joubu from bug 14778: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=44003&action=diff
14:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14778 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , DBIC should create/own the DB handler
14:01 Joubu this is quite unexpected...
14:02 magnuse oops
14:07 cait khall: did you see my notes on the glyphicon/font awesome patch - do you think it woudl be hard to update us to 4.4?
14:08 khall I'll check on that in a bit, putting out a fire atm!
14:08 cait ouch
14:08 cait ok... someone else thinking about the IT crowd episode with the fire now?
14:09 magnuse nope :-)
14:19 * andreashm is back - does the usual waving
14:20 ashimema Joubu I don't follow..
14:20 ashimema what's that about bug 14778
14:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14778 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , DBIC should create/own the DB handler
14:20 ashimema oooh..
14:20 ashimema how on earth did I miss that then?
14:21 ashimema I see now.. it's a followup after all the passed qa checks
14:21 magnuse cait: now i do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EBfxjSFAxQ
14:21 ashimema did it actually cause a bug?
14:21 tcohen ashimema: the followup makes the tests pass
14:22 * ashimema prefers the result anyways.. means not having to hit the database at all too :)
14:22 tcohen yeah .-D
14:23 tcohen we should have a bug for doing that move in the codebase
14:23 tcohen umbrella bug
14:23 ashimema indeed
14:23 ashimema though I wonder how often it actually appears
14:23 ashimema I wouldn't have expected it
14:24 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "ashimema: not too much, though" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/137
14:24 cait magnuse: and you will never forget again :)
14:24 cait magnuse: fire exlamation mark
14:26 magnuse cait: tanks :-)
14:26 tcohen c'mon jenkins
14:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14982: Remove C4::Dates from guided report wizard and dictionary <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d331bcfbee31c623761dacdd851d7b042ad368ac> / Bug 14961: Remove C4::Dates from files reports/*_stats.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=17af2c9a1e689ea845c65ffaaa6efaeb49eeec98> / Bug 14824: Fix sorting of Norwegian vowels <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?
14:29 cait khall: did you file a but about problems with label sample data or did i imagine that?
14:29 khall yes
14:29 cait can you find it?
14:29 cait i think 15064 might be duplicate
14:29 khall http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15053
14:29 huginn 04Bug 15053: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , sample_creator_data.sql now fails during a fresh install
14:30 cait you could have put the word label in there :P
14:30 cait ...and i could have searched with creator :)
14:30 khall sorry! go ahead an update the title ; )
14:33 * magnuse cheers everyone on, then scampers off to make dinner
14:33 mveron-away Hi #koha
14:33 tcohen hi mveron
14:34 mveron hi tcohen :-)
14:34 tcohen nice job with C4::Dates
14:34 tcohen ;-)
14:34 mveron Thanks. Hope we get it through...
14:34 mveron Everybody ++
14:35 tcohen mveron: there's no reason for that not to happen
14:35 mveron Great!
14:36 * mveron counts: 11 sign-offs left, 4 QAed
14:55 tcohen is UNIMARC people aware that Koha's tests are mostly MARC21 only?
15:17 pianohacker morning
15:23 pianohacker cait: working on rancor
15:28 pianohacker cait: which browser were you using to test?
15:29 cait firefox
15:29 cait in ubuntu
15:30 pianohacker cait: weird... the syntax was wrong, and I've corrected the wiki, but I can't repro the issue with the macro editor
15:30 pianohacker could I ask you to check your developer console?
15:30 cait not right now
15:30 cait later
15:30 cait - the laptop is at home :)
15:31 pianohacker I'll see if I can find a way to reproduce it, we're racing the clock
15:59 * cait keeps fingers crossed
16:23 vfernandes hi :)
16:23 vfernandes i'm having a little problem when pritting patron cards using Windows Acrobat Reader
16:24 vfernandes the card has the patron card image... when printing it's says insufficient data for image
16:29 Joubu @later tell tcohen it took me ages but I think I have fixed the upload file issue on bug 15032. Please apply it on the test server
16:29 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
16:30 pianohacker bug 15032
16:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import
16:30 pianohacker oh yeah, that
16:30 wahanui yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha...
16:31 pianohacker Joubu++
16:36 Joubu @later tell tcohen erk, it's not :-(
16:36 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
16:42 pianohacker plack in general seems to have weird issues with things that fork...
16:45 mveron vfernandes: What Koha version? Just for some images or for all images?
16:46 reiveune bye
16:46 mveron vfernandes: ...and what image formats?
16:50 gaetan_B bye
16:56 vfernandes mveron... koha 3.16
16:56 vfernandes i think the images are in JPEG
17:05 Joubu pianohacker: do you know how we could fix that?
17:06 mveron vfernandes: We had some image problems fixed with Bug 13954 (Pushed to master this summer).
17:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13954 normal, P4, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Patroncards: images show inadequate rough pixelation
17:06 mveron vfernandes: Do you have the problem wit all cards / images or just with some?
17:06 mveron with
17:07 vfernandes i've only tested a few patrons
17:07 vfernandes all with the same problem
17:09 pianohacker Joubu: no idea... I think we're out a bit in the woods, doesn't seem like many people know how
17:22 cait khall: thx for the follow-ups
17:22 cait khall: do you agree with my choices?
17:22 cait bit worried people won't like :)
17:22 khall cait: absolutely! Thanks for your followups!
17:22 khall I think they all look very good
17:23 cait mostly worried about the holds one
17:23 cait but we will see - and opac remains for now
17:24 khall cait: I think the sticky-note-o looks like a good replacement! Now that I've updated the patch to FA 4.4 you should be able to use that icon
17:24 pianohacker we have fontawesome now?
17:24 khall pianohacker: it's passed qa
17:24 pianohacker sweet
17:29 Joubu see you tomorrow #koha!
17:32 cait bye Joubu!
17:33 cait iwill try to take a look
17:33 cait at the 4.4 :)
17:52 cait bye all
19:14 magnuse enjoy your lunch TGoat_Lunch
19:15 TGoat_Lunch thanks magnuse :)
19:25 magnuse kia ora cait
19:26 * cait waves
19:38 kathryn hi everyone
19:40 magnuse hiya kathryn
19:40 kathryn hi magnuse :)
19:56 cait hiya kathryn :)
20:01 cait pianohacker: around?
20:02 kathryn hey cait :)
20:07 pianohacker cait: back
20:08 cait ok
20:08 cait time for me to log back into koha
20:08 pianohacker por favor kooooha
20:40 bag @later tell tcohen - alright I’m back from vacation - I saw I missed I a message from you - So here’s a response - HI THERE
20:40 huginn bag: The operation succeeded.
20:41 cait hi bag
20:41 bag hi cait
20:42 magnuse bag: HI
20:42 bag hi magnuse
20:50 magnuse <sup>5</sup>
20:52 cait bag: torturing pianohacker
20:52 bag excellent :)
20:53 cait hebrew+cyrillic records
20:53 cait *muhaaha* heh
21:09 TGoat hey #koha anyone have knowledge or experience with bibliocommons as a discovery layer for Koha?
21:33 cait bug 11559 - passed qa
21:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Passed QA , Professional cataloger's interface
21:34 pianohacker cait++
21:34 pianohacker wnickc++
21:34 cait yep wnickc++
21:34 cait brave_testing_librarians++
21:34 pianohacker amen to that
21:38 cait still need sign offs on the C4::Dates patches!
21:38 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14870
21:38 huginn 04Bug 14870: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , Delete C4/Dates.pm from System
21:39 * Francesca waves
21:40 pianohacker cait: these are feature-freeze eligible, right? I'll happily sign off today, but I think it may be after you go to bed
21:41 pianohacker (as opposed to feature-slush)
21:41 cait i think so
21:41 cait th depending feature is marked candidate
21:41 pianohacker kk, will do then
21:41 cait some will help already
21:41 cait and it's nice to get that cleaned up
21:41 cait big project
21:42 pianohacker yeah
21:43 * mveron waves to cait
21:43 * cait waves back at mveron
21:43 mveron everybody helping with C4::Dates ++ :-)
21:44 cait .. have to admit, thereis something in it for me too... german date formatting :)
21:45 mveron ...and the swiss one... ...and in south america as well I was told...
21:45 cait :)
21:47 pianohacker is yyyy.mm.dd german date formatting?
21:47 cait almost
21:47 pianohacker dd.mm.yyyy sorry
21:47 cait dd.mm.yyyy
21:47 pianohacker interesting...
21:47 wahanui interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:47 pianohacker yeah, that applies to date formats, wahanui
21:47 wahanui pianohacker: huh?
22:50 mveron Good night / daytime #koha
23:50 irma Hi papa. How are you doing? Might you be coming to Sydney soon?
23:55 papa Hi there!
23:56 papa not too bad, thanks. not sure, maybe end of Nov. Anything exciting happening?