Time  Nick          Message
23:59 pianohacker   wnickc++
23:59 pianohacker   bye all
23:46 wnickc        pianohacker++ rancor++
23:46 pianohacker   catalogers++ ;)
23:45 pianohacker   I'm asking for qa testing from a group of people the library industry calls detail oriented
23:45 wnickc        with DEMANDS for new features! and workflows you can't comprehend
23:45 pianohacker   wnickc: oh, trust me, I know
23:44 wnickc        pianohacker: you do realize if it gets in you are going to be simultaneously praised and attacked by catalogers?
23:41 pianohacker   I knew I was referencing something
23:40 mtompset      (Dancing on the ceiling by Lionel Richie)
23:40 papa          but that's just my pref
23:40 mtompset      https://youtu.be/OdQDXs75Ulo
23:40 papa          well, without reading carefully I can tell you what I do most of the times: I do two layers - an atomic one, and then (controller) calls transaction wrapper with a sub that does atomic calls
23:40 wnickc        fair point
23:39 mtompset      Multiple sign offs is good.
23:39 wnickc        it works according to me :-)
23:39 wnickc        cause I was too, so I'll let you sign off
23:39 mtompset      Yes, working on it.
23:38 wnickc        mtompset:^^
23:38 wnickc        mtompsett are you testing 14246?
23:37 pianohacker   *thump* ow!
23:37 eythian       also, someone turn the gravity back on
23:36 eythian       oh great, now we have to clean the footprints off the ceiling
23:36 * pianohacker dances on the ceiling
23:36 pianohacker   nope! :D
23:36 eythian       surely that's an accident!
23:36 wahanui       i heard signed off was the queue the QA team should watch
23:36 eythian       signed off?!
23:36 pianohacker   woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooha!
23:36 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Professional cataloger's interface
23:36 pianohacker   bug 11559
23:36 pianohacker   AaaaaaaaaaaaA!
23:36 * wahanui     blesses crap
23:36 pianohacker   Holy crap!
23:35 eythian       http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2015-10-21#i_1744878 <-- papa, starting here
23:34 mtompset      I was wondering about conflict markers ages back, eythian and Joubu fixed it.
23:34 mtompset      are you asking me? :)
23:34 papa          sorry, what was the question?
23:22 mtompset      Joubu++ # bug 14884
23:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14884 critical, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , [3.20.X] Test failure from Bug 14470
23:21 mtompset      eythian++ # bug 14884
23:20 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
23:02 wizzyrea      teehee
23:01 eythian       https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/656798423878799360
22:58 pianohacker   I dunno, drojf's response seemed to have autocommit on...
22:57 pianohacker   hahahaha
22:56 eythian       see, one transaction!
22:56 drojf         hibye eythian
22:56 eythian       bye drojf
22:56 eythian       hi drojf
22:56 drojf         good night #koha
22:55 eythian       I dunno, ask papa, I bet he knows
22:55 eythian       though, there probably are situations where a failure is OK because you check for it and you don't want to abort the whole transaction
22:54 eythian       it's basically pushing the problem outwards
22:54 eythian       so the whole thing succeeds or fails
22:54 eythian       actually, your request managing system could create a transaction for the request
22:53 eythian       probably both, but I was thinking of the latter
22:53 pianohacker   is this just lowercase design pattern or design pattern with a capital Java?
22:53 eythian       there's probably a design pattern for it :)
22:52 pianohacker   it's one of those problems that you always feel should have been solved 10 years ago but any google search leads to "have fun writing it yourself!"
22:52 eythian       yep
22:52 pianohacker   where the whole higher level operation of "transfer history/checkouts/etc., delete original" needs to be one transaction
22:51 pianohacker   but then you get into issues like, say, merging borrowers
22:50 eythian       but that's not always possible
22:49 eythian       because that's what deleting a user really is
22:49 eythian       but, if the call to the model is "delete user", then the model should know to "start transaction, write user to deleted_users, delete user from users, commit transaction"
22:49 pianohacker   there's stuff that belongs in the gaps between them
22:49 pianohacker   yeah, that's where the controller/model divide gets... weird
22:48 eythian       passing in a list of subs or something
22:48 eythian       either that or have a structure that lets you wrap multiple calls in a transaction.
22:48 eythian       if it really needs to be atomic, I think you're better doing it in one call.
22:48 eythian       that's a tricky problem
22:48 eythian       well
22:43 pianohacker   one question I've always had about designing APIs around that; do you shove the commit logic in the controllers? You can't put it in the model, really, as there may be multiple model calls per logical operation
22:42 eythian       it's the whole point of the A in ACID
22:41 eythian       no half-way state
22:41 eythian       do the move in a transaction and it either totally succeeds or totally fails
22:41 eythian       that's what transactions are for
22:41 wahanui       and ever, amen.
22:41 cait          whatever
22:41 cait          hm draw?
22:40 cait          so we have a pat
22:40 cait          jonathan says it works for him
22:40 pianohacker   that's a thing, yeah
22:40 cait          l
22:40 cait          ... which is... wel
22:40 cait          like... it said it deleted but then i had  an entry for the same patron in borrowers and deletedborrowers
22:40 cait          i had a lot of bad and strange things happen on my database testing htis
22:40 pianohacker   cait: is that correctly deletes or correctly does not delete?
22:39 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Add ability to delete patrons with batch patron deletion tool
22:39 wahanui       hmmm... bug 10612 is weird
22:39 pianohacker   bug 10612
22:39 cait          if you get bored... see if 10612 does delete borrowers with checkouts correctly for you?
22:39 drojf         no, i wanted to look into it and then 100 other things happened :D
22:38 cait          did you file it? :P
22:38 cait          tops the notes i had form the library :)
22:38 drojf         ;)
22:38 drojf         and thought we should probably fix the bug with the ~
22:38 drojf         cait: i wrote that months ago and forgot
22:38 drojf         [off] i even made the support crazy lol
22:37 cait          long post!
22:37 drojf         but sru is always weird. it took me ages to get the dnb working
22:37 cait          wow
22:37 andreashm     alright, I'm of to bed. thanks again!
22:37 drojf         i only tried in yaz client, it works there
22:37 drojf         but i thoink the other works too
22:37 andreashm     drojf: yeah, I saw that, but went with the name/link from KB:s webiste instead. stupid me. =)
22:36 drojf         andreashm: api.libris.kb.se/sru/libris shows the server info
22:36 cait          i will point Viktor there instead of using my own confusing notes :)
22:36 drojf         andreashm: you can find that in the info of the server
22:36 cait          link works :)
22:36 drojf         [off] cait: does that work for you? http://abunchofthings.net/blog/freie-metadaten-von-der-dnb-per-sru/
22:36 andreashm     drojf++
22:36 andreashm     cait++
22:36 andreashm     cait: that's a useful tip
22:35 cait          drojf++ again :)
22:35 andreashm     I had sru/libris in database for a while, and tried sru=get, but I think the main thing was that I used http://api.libris.kb.se/sru/libris as hostname and not libris.kb.se
22:34 cait          drojf: i use Shutter for screenshots and it can directly upload via ftp and let's you directly paste the url - it's really helpful
22:33 andreashm     thanks a lot drojf!!
22:33 andreashm     hehe
22:33 cait          and the get
22:32 cait          sru/libris in database
22:32 cait          oh
22:31 drojf         would have been faster to type it. lol
22:31 drojf         [off] andreashm: http://abunchofthings.net/koha/sru.kb.se.png
22:30 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14246 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, xarragon, Needs Signoff , Add borrowernumber to koha_news
22:30 cait          bug 14246
22:30 cait          (wonder how they got there without that patch... but...)
22:30 cait          btw... i need a sign off for 14246 as a dependency for things in my queue...
22:28 andreashm     drojf++
22:28 cait          drojf++ even
22:28 drojf         will upload a screenshot, mom
22:28 cait          drojf+
22:28 wahanui       really is more trouble than she's worth.
22:28 andreashm     drojf: oh really?
22:28 wnickc        hi cait
22:27 cait          hi wnickc
22:27 * cait        had that break things
22:27 * wnickc      waves
22:27 cait          at the end of url and such
22:27 andreashm     drojf: what does?
22:27 drojf         i have the kb one running
22:27 cait          andreashm: check for additional spaces
22:27 cait          drojf might have better notes for the dnb one tho :)
22:27 drojf         works for me
22:25 andreashm     thanks a bunch
22:25 cait          i will check what i have
22:25 cait          hm i remember i got one working for another union catalog here
22:24 andreashm     nope, nothing with keywords.
22:24 andreashm     hehe
22:24 andreashm     cait: thanks, that would be great
22:24 cait          hopefully tomorrow... but no promises
22:24 cait          andreashm: i promised viktor notes about the dnb one - can send to you as wlel
22:23 andreashm     might help when people are at work
22:23 cait          try the keyword search first
22:23 andreashm     can look at it again tomorrow.
22:23 andreashm     but right now I think its time for bed.
22:23 andreashm     if anyone has an actual SRU server setup that works, I'd like to see it yeah. =)
22:22 andreashm     I have just tried searching for author: strindberg
22:20 cait          can you share the page with the data you are tying to use too?
22:20 cait          andreashm: you might be missing something in the sru options thing
22:20 drojf         i have a blogpost that i kind of forgot to ever post about it. lol
22:19 cait          yeah mine are at work :)
22:19 drojf         heh
22:19 drojf         looking for my sru notes
22:19 cait          do you have the dnb sru at hand to compare maybe?
22:19 drojf         yes
22:19 cait          drojf: still around?
22:16 andreashm     not sure that's readable. I could take a screenshot instead.
22:15 pastebot      "andreashm" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SRU" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/119
22:11 andreashm     cait: who doesn't? :)
22:11 andreashm     sure
22:08 * cait        needs more time in a day
22:08 cait          i still have to really read the specs you sent too :(
22:08 cait          it's a bit tricky
22:08 cait          can you share how you set it up?
22:08 andreashm     I guess I'm filling out the SRU form wrong somehow.
22:07 andreashm     cataloging
22:07 andreashm     cait: I want to test downloading for ctaloging
22:07 andreashm     this one: http://api.libris.kb.se/sru/libris
22:07 cait          do you want to download in koha or activate koha's sru?
22:07 andreashm     don't know. I can access it through the browser, but can't make it work in Koha
22:06 drojf         what is the problem with sru?
22:06 andreashm     hi
22:06 drojf         evening
22:05 andreashm     but am annoyed I can't get a SRU server to work in Koha
22:05 wahanui       OK, eythian.
22:05 eythian       wahanui: that is a lie
22:05 andreashm     I should be too.
22:05 andreashm     sleeping
22:04 wahanui       i heard ruby was easy to install. Any > 1.8.7 works fine
22:04 cait          ruby?
22:04 * cait        waves back
22:02 * andreashm   waves
21:58 eythian       hi
21:56 tcohen        because git will try to merge, and the hash won't be valid anymore
21:56 tcohen        because any change to the table he is changing will make his own changes useless
21:56 cait          i am asking him to make them separate
21:55 tcohen        but expecting them to be regenerated on QA or when being pushed
21:55 tcohen        he should have provided separate DBIx patches, for people without the knowledge to be able to test his patches
21:54 tcohen        it always happens with dbix updates...
21:54 cait          so he tried to prevent that by making htem dependent on each other
21:54 cait          because both add new options to issuingrules
21:54 cait          once in your queue
21:54 cait          i pointed out to him that his 2 patches would be in conflict
21:54 cait          yeah probably
21:54 tcohen        merged something
21:54 tcohen        he has fixed some conflict, for sure
21:53 cait          it's late here, so I will ask kyle to fix
21:53 cait          did you see my last commen t- is that cuased by the first problem or another problem?
21:52 tcohen        maybe if you manage to strip that out of the patch?
21:51 tcohen        cait: probably
21:51 tcohen        because you cannot just merge it, because the schema generator will notice the hash doesn't match the file
21:51 cait          ?
21:51 cait          he made it dependent on the other patch - maybe he fixed a conflict... and then this is what is causing hte problem now
21:50 tcohen        so you can regenerate it on your own
21:50 tcohen        he should have left the schema update patch out of the first patch
21:50 tcohen        oh
21:48 cait          and there are also some strange warns when running the test
21:47 cait          it happens when I try to test this
21:47 cait          ?
21:47 cait          tcohen: could you take a quick glance at 9129=
21:47 cait          hm
21:45 tcohen        that means you modified the file outside the place it can be done
21:40 cait          If you want to overwrite these modifications, set the 'overwrite_modifications' loader option.
21:40 cait          DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader::make_schema_at(): Checksum mismatch in './/Koha/Schema/Result/Issuingrule.pm', the auto-generated part of the file has been modified outside of this loader.  Aborting.
21:40 cait          Dumping manual schema for Koha::Schema to directory ./ ...
21:40 cait          what is this trying to tell me?
21:40 cait          hm ok
21:37 huginn        jcamins: The operation succeeded.
21:37 jcamins       @later tell tcohen Yeah, I know people who use Zebra with TEI.
21:19 wahanui       hey now now, sing this corrosion to me
21:19 pianohacker   now?
21:19 wahanui       hey now now, sing this corrosion to me
21:19 pianohacker   now?
21:15 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
21:15 tcohen        @later tell Joubu now is yes and yes
20:59 wizzyrea      ^.^
20:58 * tcohen      suspects that's too accurate, even for wizzyrea
20:56 wizzyrea      haha 9:49-9:55, 6m indeed.
20:55 tcohen        wizzyrea++
20:55 wizzyrea      all done!
20:53 jcamins       Hello.
20:52 tcohen        hi jcamins
20:49 wizzyrea      which will take ~6m
20:49 wizzyrea      because since everyone thinks that kc might be down, I think I might take the upgrade to kvm from xen
20:49 wizzyrea      :) I may drop off again
20:48 tcohen        hi ashimema, any news on the REST guidelines?
20:48 jcamins       wizzyrea: we missed you! 45 minutes with no wizzyrea!
20:46 wizzyrea      ashimema: sure.
20:46 wizzyrea      me being back means that koha-community.org is back ;)
20:25 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10363: (QA followups) Fix tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dd9a52e662096d802a5a11df75d4ea2bd3091c8>
20:24 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
20:24 tcohen        @later tell Joubu no and no
20:22 tcohen        hi
19:14 * cait        waves
19:08 cait          ;)
19:06 cait          ...
19:06 wahanui       Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
19:06 cait          germs?
19:06 IceCube       Well the Irish have spread all over the world so I guess they took him with them!
19:05 cait          aren't we all? i think he doesn't care about natoinality
19:05 IceCube       so it seems, anyways.
19:05 IceCube       I am Irish and I am subject to Murphy's law
19:05 cait          but improting the db should cause no problems
19:05 cait          a clone never hurts
19:04 IceCube       this time I'm making a clone of the vm before I move on!  Last time I had to start over with a new one because something got corrupted along the way
19:04 IceCube       haha yeahhh....
19:04 cait          keeping fingers crosseed
19:04 IceCube       thanks, cait
19:04 IceCube       I'll give that a try
19:04 cait          i assume the db is an older version?
19:04 IceCube       ok
19:03 cait          and then the web installer will probably prompt you for updates
19:03 cait          while it's empty
19:03 cait          i'd import the db now
19:03 cait          hm
19:03 IceCube       Should I import the databse first and then go to the web interface, or vice versa
19:03 IceCube       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian#Install_Koha
19:03 IceCube       I'm at the point of accessing the web interface but I haven't done that yet
19:03 cait          can you give me the link?
19:02 IceCube       well I followed the directions on the "Koha on Debian" guide
19:02 IceCube       hi cait
19:02 wahanui       it is something we could get funding for (hint, hint). =) so what would you think is needed more than adding a triple-store for Koha to be able to harvest records from LIBRIS (if we also develop the harvester to handle RDF)? Any ideas?
19:02 cait          what is it?
19:02 IceCube       I have a question about importing the db
19:01 IceCube       That migration had some problems so I'm trying it again with a fresh install of everything
19:01 IceCube       Hello all, I was here a few days ago working on moving a databse from an old server to a new one.
18:38 avetitch      WWW.EXPOSINGCOMMUNISM.COM
17:25 cait          that would be nice
17:23 pianohacker   wantsssssss
17:23 pianohacker   dangit me wants a rancor signoff
17:22 huginn        pianohacker: wnickc was last seen in #koha 4 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <wnickc> bye all
17:22 pianohacker   @seen wnickc
17:21 cait          hello :)
17:21 * pianohacker waves at cait
17:20 * cait        waves
16:49 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14900: Add ability to pay all fees at once from circulation screen <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15bf87f866f870ae5eff5d95bb41a78f2e5a516a> / Bug 14154: 608$9 defined twice in UNIMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aaf3ff3fec54011b30ba302e0c13e3ec5e41a142> / Bug 14871: Extend the patrons search to search like %$term% (checkout
16:02 pianohacker   morning
16:02 pianohacker   good
15:48 gaetan_B      bye
15:24 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no package for authorised values.
15:24 cait          bug 10363
15:10 Joubu         bye
14:52 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:52 Joubu         @later tell tcohen did you apply 15021 on the plack test server?
14:52 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:52 Joubu         @later tell tcohen see last patch on bug 10363
14:46 reiveune      bye
14:17 fridolin      thanks
14:17 fridolin      Joubu: oki I whas thinking about that
14:17 tcohen        but for master
14:17 Joubu         using bugzilla, search for feature/enhancement with status=pushed to master
14:17 tcohen        or you can build the release notes the same way you did for 3.14
14:17 fridolin      :D
14:17 fridolin      oki
14:16 Joubu         git log origin/master ?
14:16 fridolin      tcohen: heuuu new big enhancements
14:16 tcohen        i can build them for you, later
14:16 Joubu         feature slush is not passed yet
14:16 tcohen        .-P
14:16 tcohen        there are no features frido
14:16 Joubu         no
14:16 fridolin      does it even exist ?
14:16 Joubu         nowhere
14:15 fridolin      tcohen: where could we find the new features that will come into 3.22 ?
14:04 tcohen        khall, Joubu: I'm sure some layout changed so the tests need to be fixed to match the page structure
14:03 * tcohen      will now patch kohadevbox so it sets those ENV variables for koha-shell kohadev
14:03 tcohen        koha_master points to localhost in /etc/hosts
14:02 tcohen        KOHA_USER=kohaadmin KOHA_PASS=katikoan KOHA_INTRANET_URL=http://koha_master:8080 PERL5LIB=. KOHA_CONF="/home/jenkins/koha_master/etc/koha-conf.xml" prove t/db_dependent/www/auth_values_input_www.t > /dev/null 2>&1
14:02 Joubu         what does test.sh?
14:01 tcohen        http://snag.gy/7Wf4w.jpg
14:01 tcohen        a sec
14:00 khall         lol
14:00 tcohen        khall: 12c82427550a4a53e2148d9bf479db3425fef8fd
13:48 magnuse       ah, thanks tcohen
13:42 tcohen        search tests problem
13:41 tcohen        Joubu: i'm bisecting the search bug
13:41 Joubu         actually I thought I have already fixed it, but I don't find a bug report
13:41 drojf         sorry for the confusion
13:41 drojf         there is no plack here atm ;)
13:41 Joubu         drojf: it's certainly not
13:41 drojf         Joubu: not at all
13:41 Joubu         drojf: Are you sure it's plack related?
13:40 drojf         i'll make a screenshot if it comes again. yes
13:40 cait          report it :)
13:40 drojf         no the encoding is fine. just the report is wrong
13:40 cait          and your import file need to be utf-8 without bom
13:40 cait          drojf: hmm, i think there was something about using multiple "" or so...
13:39 drojf         also the encoding in the report after patron import is broken
13:39 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs
13:39 tcohen        bug 15005
13:38 tcohen        you need
13:38 tcohen        magnuse: exactly :-D
13:38 magnuse       tcohen: no, 3.20.x with a backport of your koha-plack stuff
13:37 Joubu         I hope you will play All Blacks in final :)
13:37 tcohen        right?
13:37 tcohen        magnuse, that's not in master
13:37 drojf         can i escape things in the patron import tool? it explodes with records that have " or , in a field
13:36 tcohen        probably :-D
13:36 Joubu         tcohen: will you watch rugby on sunday?
13:36 magnuse       ooh weirdness. under plack, if you are logged out, go to http://intranet/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl and log in, you end up on http://intranet/intranet/mainpage.pl which is 404
13:33 * tcohen      wanted to make an akira reference but is not really good at that
13:32 wahanui       well, jenkins fixed is http://i.stack.imgur.com/05ISR.jpg
13:32 tcohen        jenkins fixed?
13:31 cait          Joubu++
13:29 Joubu         \o/
13:28 tcohen        Joubu++ # jenkins back to stable
13:01 andreashm     but Eivin is on the cc, at least.
13:00 cait          oh noes
13:00 andreashm     don't know if any of the devlopers are watching.
12:59 andreashm     cait: I'm sure they are, but I saw that Viktor is sick apparently (got an auto reply when I sent him an email today)
12:59 magnuse       true :-)
12:59 Joubu         magnuse: and the discussion is just starting, feel free to comment if you have any opinion
12:58 Joubu         magnuse: "in discussion" is good, when a discussion exists :)
12:57 magnuse       in discussion? not good...
12:57 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12768 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maxime.beaulieu, In Discussion , Replacement cost and processing fee management
12:57 magnuse       bug 12768
12:56 cait          hope they are aware of the deadline
12:56 cait          close call now
12:56 andreashm     Ah, 12768 - I still hope it can make it in 3.22, if they manage to fix it in time.
12:39 khall         np!
12:39 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12768 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maxime.beaulieu, In Discussion , Replacement cost and processing fee management
12:39 Joubu         khall: thanks for your comment on bug 12768! :)
12:36 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14045: Add missing th in tfoot <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8232522a92b47090d651ea8cf6a92aa463454fb> / Bug 8417: Fix test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc395b5f8cb5b7d151cbdbabc360643a5daa205d>
12:36 magnuse       Joubu: thanks!
12:31 Joubu         magnuse: test_xxx / test_xxx with 1 <= xxx <= 100
12:31 magnuse       found it, soory!
12:30 magnuse       what are the usernames/passwords for the plack demo from bywater again?
12:24 magnuse       ¡hola tcohen!
12:24 tcohen        hi
12:13 huginn        cait: The operation succeeded.
12:13 cait          @later tell Viktor ping!
11:51 magnuse       nope, still getting new cgisess files
11:51 magnuse       hm, maybe it's working now...
11:49 tcohen        so it is not working?
11:49 magnuse       i already did that...
11:49 tcohen        magnuse: exactly
11:49 magnuse       tcohen: with "sudo koha-plack --restart <instance>" or something else?
11:48 tcohen        magnuse: you need to restart plack, once things are loaded, they remain in memory
11:48 andreashm     is there a way to send a notice when a book is marked as lost, currently?
11:48 tcohen        ah
11:47 tcohen        whatsup magnuse?
11:46 magnuse       yup, those should be ok
11:46 fridolin      magnuse: there are memcache env vars in Apache config I know
11:46 tcohen        hi andreashm
11:45 * andreashm   waves
11:45 fridolin      hie tcohen
11:45 magnuse       on my plack install i had koha set to store sessions in memcached, but no memcached. i installed memcached and restarted my instance, but koha is still creating cgisess_* files in /tmp. anything particular i need to do to get that to work?
11:45 tcohen        hi fridolin
11:44 * tcohen      makes notes for when he reaches the office (having breakfast now)
11:43 tcohen        and it is possible that not all nodes have the apahe confguration
11:43 Joubu         tcohen: and 14045 too :)
11:43 tcohen        Joubu: I forgot about 8417 followup
11:42 tcohen        hi khall
11:42 tcohen        hi Joubu
11:40 khall         mornin tcohen!
11:39 Joubu         tcohen: hi :)
11:37 magnuse       talk of the rm...
11:35 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
11:35 Joubu         @later tell tcohen, please push the followup on bug 14045
11:34 khall         nope
11:34 Joubu         I thought Tomas would have pushed it directly
11:34 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14045 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add specific quotas to on-site checkout
11:34 Joubu         I have added it on bug 14045 actually
11:33 khall         Joubu: what's the bug number?
11:33 khall         Joubu: excellent! I'll close mine out
11:33 Joubu         khall: I have already submitted a patch for that
11:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15043 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Bottom table header row for circulation rules missing a column
11:31 magnuse       bug 15043
11:30 khall         cait: can you qa 15043 quick? It's the easiest qa you'll ever do ; )
11:25 huginn        drojf: The operation succeeded.
11:25 drojf         @later tell mveron de-DE is done (if you want to use it for de-CH)
11:24 cait          just noticed it could get a problem
11:24 cait          not sure what works best - leaving it to you
11:23 khall         right, I'm going to make 9129 depend on 13590 and resolve the conflicts
11:23 cait          yep
11:23 cait          khall: not pushed yet, but one will be the first... and then the other will need a little love i think
11:22 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13590 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add ability to charge fines at start of charge period
11:22 khall         cait: you're referring to bug 13590 right?
11:22 khall         13590
11:22 drojf         cait: tried the translation files on a 3.20.4, no errors
11:22 khall         cait: do you recall that bug number?
11:21 khall         yeah, I bet you are right!
11:21 cait          khall: just saw your follow up - i think there will be a conflict with the patch for the grace period (both go in smart-rules) so probably willl need to rebase one of those
11:18 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15042 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Barcode <branchcode>yymm0001 does not work when receiving serials
11:18 magnuse       ooh, look at bug 15042, all ready to be signed off
11:15 magnuse       oh well, i tried... ;-)
11:11 drojf         sure
11:10 drojf         magnuse: not dure if my norwegian is enough :D
11:08 magnuse       drojf: wanna do the nb-NO intranet one too?
11:04 cait          drojf++
11:04 cait          great - thx!
11:04 drojf         but i have not tested yet
11:04 drojf         wasn't much really
11:03 drojf         cait: team german done :)
11:01 cait          it seems to work quite well... if that is helpful to know :)
10:58 andreashm     cait: ok, thanks
10:57 cait          there are scripts to do that -just a little hidden
10:57 cait          andreashm: that's what we currently do - a nightly import using the staged marc import from command line
10:41 andreashm     one export parameter from LIBRIS is how to handle ISBN (depending on matching rules in the local systems). but we should be able to match 001 (LIBRIS Id) as well.
10:39 andreashm     cait: we might end up going with batch importing (magnuse's ftp2koha work: https://github.com/Libriotech/ftp2koha) if OAI harvesting is not complete when we go live.
10:37 andreashm     back. reading the log.
10:23 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:23 Joubu         @later tell pianohacker as futur MM for the admin area, bugs 14828, 14836 and 14889 might interest you
10:21 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:21 Joubu         @later tell tcohen jenkins conf files for master u14 and d7 are not in sync (3 t/db_dependent/www/* entries are missing for d7). And they fail because KOHA_INTRANET_URL is not defined
10:13 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:13 Joubu         @later tell tcohen why haven't you pushed the last patch on bug 8417?
10:00 cait          lunch! bbl
10:00 cait          and... all the other things
10:00 cait          :)
10:00 cait          i will focus on qa this week
10:00 cait          drojf: thx a lot for taking care of it
09:58 drojf         and now it is not all finished. thats funny
09:57 drojf         no, it just said i reached the end, but the popup was out if the screen
09:56 drojf         just finished the german translation for the staff client. looks like the server exploded at the last one
09:56 drojf         hi cait
09:51 cait          hi drojf
09:42 drojf         hi #koha
09:38 cait          morning Joubu :)
09:38 Joubu         hello
09:35 cait          we have a matching rule on 001 for example - that's the identifier from our union catalog for us
09:35 cait          andreashm: what doy ou want to do?
09:31 magnuse       andreashm: doesn't look like we do any matching: https://github.com/Libriotech/ftp2koha/blob/master/ftp2koha.pl#L103 i have a faint memory telling me that might be how they wanted it
09:29 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Ability to search on the different isbn variations
09:29 magnuse       btw bug 13528, but "this only works if UseQueryParser is disabled"
09:28 magnuse       or did i?
09:26 magnuse       hm, i don't think i thought about it...
09:24 andreashm     or did you leave it up to Halland to make sure its setting from LIBRIS would work with the matching rules?
09:23 andreashm     magnuse: did you look at that for ftp2koha?
09:23 magnuse       not the programming language, i presume?
09:23 * andreashm   has a scambled barin today. Was up a lot during the night with Ruby.
09:23 magnuse       it uses the zebra indexes
09:23 magnuse       i think it used to matter, but i am not sure if it has been fixed
09:22 andreashm     batch imports, I mean
09:22 andreashm     like, for batch exports, should we strip ISBN:s to numbers only for Koha's matching rules to work?
09:19 andreashm     Does Koha care if imported records with ISBN number have dashes in them or not? I.e. would it affect searches/matching for duplicates etc.?
09:18 * andreashm   just thought it sounded funny. Disregard.
09:17 andreashm     Tea and Swagger! Tea and Swagger!
09:14 * ashimema    goes for tea.. upon return it time to think swagger
09:14 magnuse       ah yes Home › Administration › Record matching rules
09:11 magnuse       i think...
09:11 magnuse       i thnk there are two different ways - if you enter a new record it compares the title and maybe author. if you do a batch import you can set up matching rules
09:10 andreashm     how does Koha check for duplicates (matching records)? Are there set rules, or can you configure this?
09:10 magnuse       or git log --oneline 22a6d3fe2ef8f4aad8b689c577bf347954301481..HEAD
09:05 magnuse       git shortlog 22a6d3fe2ef8f4aad8b689c577bf347954301481..HEAD :-)
09:04 andreashm     REST API! =)
09:00 cait          can't remember...
08:58 cait          a lot of things i can remember right now as well :)
08:58 cait          batch checkouts sound intersting too
08:58 cait          like the enh for the on-site checouts
08:58 cait          there will still be a lot of nice things in this release
08:57 cait          i almost had working order emails... but never got to finish them really :(
08:57 cait          i feel with you... pretty much the same problem here
08:56 magnuse       gah, the item edit form for biblios is subtly different from the form you get when you receive a serial issue and add an item...
08:56 andreashm     so much so that we haven't had time to test the OAI harvester, so it won't make it into 3.22. =(
08:55 andreashm     this fall has been crazy busy, every month since coming back from summer vacation.
08:54 cait          yeah, full month :)
08:54 andreashm     =)
08:54 andreashm     bah.
08:54 cait          we have a go live next week too... so
08:54 andreashm     "Scandinavia said I can take the week off"
08:54 * magnuse     too!
08:54 andreashm     tell your boss I said so! =)
08:53 * andreashm   too
08:53 cait          that would be great :)
08:53 cait          hah
08:53 * magnuse     gives cait the rest of the week off work
08:53 cait          there is lots of good stuff in there, but probably nt all will make it before monday :(
08:52 cait          i am trying to work throuhg the qa list best i can this week - going by age a bit
08:52 andreashm     cait: while I'm at it, how's it going with (Viktors) bugs related to overdues/notises? =)
08:51 * cait        makes herself invisible
08:50 andreashm     caaaaait! =)
08:49 cait          i distracted him with another bug question *hides*
08:49 cait          ashimema++
08:47 magnuse       go ashimema go!
08:46 andreashm     ashimema: sounds great!
08:46 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Add base for building RESTful API
08:46 wahanui       somebody said bug 13799 was ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it
08:46 magnuse       bug 13799
08:46 ashimema      'tis on todays hit list for me
08:45 andreashm     anyone know if there has been any progress on the base for the restful api, if it will make it into 3.22?
08:44 magnuse       :-)
08:43 andreashm     woot
08:40 magnuse       woohoo - batch checkout!
08:24 * magnuse     waves
08:20 * cait        waves
08:19 * andreashm   waves
08:12 * cait        waves
08:07 glen          Nice to know there is a community out there though :-)
08:06 ashimema      sorry I couldn't be of much help :(
08:06 ashimema      sure thing
08:06 glen          lo
08:05 glen          Thanks for your comments.  If you do find anything can you email me glen@agre.enterprises, I may still have a go at the 'appliance approach'
08:04 glen          Cool, no problem starting again, just an hour or so omf my time :-(
08:04 ashimema      but I'm not feeling very hopeful I'm afriad
08:03 ashimema      I'm currently searching through a few years of mail to see if I can dig out those login details for you
08:03 ashimema      that sounds like the optimal solution for you to be honest..
08:02 glen          My preferred install is probably from a tar file on a Fedora 20 webserver, so I might clone one of our platforms so that I can add extar dependencies without impacting other users
08:01 glen          Yep have console access and it asks for a user and password, not suer if that is for the OS or is running the ap already.
08:01 ashimema      if it's a package based install (i have no idea at this point what that vm was built as) then /etc/koha/sites/whatever/koha-conf.xml is your friend.
08:00 glen          They are a not-for-profit and have a very small library and few subscribers.  They had KOHA recommended to them by someone else.
08:00 ashimema      if you have console access.. which of course you should.. you should be able to find the koha admin login details in the config file
07:59 ashimema      what details are you lacking.. the os logins, or the koha app logins?
07:59 ashimema      understandable.. though your customer would likely get a less than wonderful experience using a koha that's no longer supported.. having said that it 'should' be trivial to update the koha in place on the vm
07:58 glen          Hence my wnting a shortcut and reluctance to have an orphan OS
07:58 huginn        ashimema: The operation succeeded.
07:58 ashimema      @later tell wizzyrea any chance we could hide the vm koha (314) a bit better from the downloads page on koha-community.. it's a tad misleading
07:57 glen          Yes, I am a hosting providier and have been asked by a customer to host for them.  I was hoping to run on one of our shared platforms but it may be I'll just roll a webserver just for them.
07:56 ashimema      Is this your first foray into koha?
07:56 glen          It was easy to find http://download.koha-community.org/vm
07:55 ashimema      :(
07:55 ashimema      but as you say, if you're on a hosting that's locked down you will be unlikely to manage to install all the dependancies.
07:55 ashimema      However, I am aware of a few people running on redhat and suse.. so you 'should' be able to run on fedora..
07:55 ashimema      In general the vast majority of us are using debian and packages are the recommended install route for simplicity
07:54 ashimema      it's not been supported since 2013 I'm afriad
07:54 ashimema      wow.. you must have had to search hard to find that vm
07:54 ashimema      ah.. I see
07:52 glen          Am prepared to build a Debian VM but it would be an orphan in our environment so was hoping for a shortcut :-)
07:51 glen          I have attempted to do an install gro tar file onto Fedora but there are too many dependencies that I can't resolve in a shared webserver environmnet
07:50 glen          I run Fedora 20 and 22 and needed to try it out.  If there is a VM of 320, where can I get it.  I got 314 from the download site
07:49 ashimema      no idea about vm passwords I'm afriad
07:49 ashimema      314... we're on 320 with 322 just around the corner.. why are you trying out 314?
07:48 glen          Can anyone tell me what the login and password are for the koha314-demo VM ?  Have just installed under ESX but doesn't seem to be any docs.
07:31 gaetan_B      hello
07:23 wahanui       que tal, Francesca
07:23 Francesca     hi
07:08 magnuse       gah! all those strings beginning with %s%s%sKoha online%s catalog &rsaquo; ...
06:59 magnuse       ooh, not a big difference
06:59 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 10.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on October 21, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
06:59 magnuse       @wunder marseille
06:59 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 21, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling).
06:59 magnuse       @wunder boo
06:54 alex_a        hello
06:52 wahanui       kia ora, reiveune
06:52 reiveune      hello
06:51 cait          bbiab
06:50 magnuse       have fun eythian
06:45 cait          later eythian
06:34 eythian       time to go home
06:34 eythian       well, I think I have roughly 1/4th of my talk written
06:27 * magnuse     waves
06:24 cait          ashimema: ...
06:24 cait          oh martin
06:02 ashimema      .
04:37 mveron        Good morning / daytime #koha
03:13 mtj           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyujZnw4qy4&list=PLBaC7nMz00Wj0J2PSQWAFJTZDnZX1RxYp
03:12 mtj           ^ thats a really great sugarcubes album
03:12 mtj           ibeardslee:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s-It
03:09 mtj           oops
03:09 mtj           .
02:56 wizzyrea      hey I know that person from twitter.
02:42 eythian       http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/11013 <-- interesting stuff on Catmandu
02:11 tcohen        human behaviour
02:09 wizzyrea      i.e. what do you remember about it
02:08 wizzyrea      what was it about?
02:06 ibeardslee    she (well as part of sugarcubes?) had a song I quite liked .. but damned if I can work out what it was.
02:05 tcohen        hahahaha
02:04 wizzyrea      I had a roommate in uni that was simply obsessed with bjork. Since she was one of my favourite people ever, I ended up rather liking bjork.
02:03 wizzyrea      :D
02:03 wizzyrea      yeah, that doesn't seem like it would be your thing so much.
02:02 eythian       I kinda went off björk when I heard her music.
02:02 wizzyrea      bjork, of course :D
02:02 tcohen        who would start another big riot?
02:00 wizzyrea      just very quiet in here :)
02:00 wizzyrea      yeah same
02:00 * tcohen      loves bjork
02:00 wizzyrea      ^.^
02:00 tcohen        excellent song!
01:58 wizzyrea      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEC4nZ-yga8