Time Nick Message 01:58 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEC4nZ-yga8 02:00 tcohen excellent song! 02:00 wizzyrea ^.^ 02:00 * tcohen loves bjork 02:00 wizzyrea yeah same 02:00 wizzyrea just very quiet in here :) 02:02 tcohen who would start another big riot? 02:02 wizzyrea bjork, of course :D 02:02 eythian I kinda went off björk when I heard her music. 02:03 wizzyrea yeah, that doesn't seem like it would be your thing so much. 02:03 wizzyrea :D 02:04 wizzyrea I had a roommate in uni that was simply obsessed with bjork. Since she was one of my favourite people ever, I ended up rather liking bjork. 02:05 tcohen hahahaha 02:06 ibeardslee she (well as part of sugarcubes?) had a song I quite liked .. but damned if I can work out what it was. 02:08 wizzyrea what was it about? 02:09 wizzyrea i.e. what do you remember about it 02:11 tcohen human behaviour 02:42 eythian http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/11013 <-- interesting stuff on Catmandu 02:56 wizzyrea hey I know that person from twitter. 03:09 mtj . 03:09 mtj oops 03:12 mtj ibeardslee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s-It 03:12 mtj ^ thats a really great sugarcubes album 03:13 mtj https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyujZnw4qy4&list=PLBaC7nMz00Wj0J2PSQWAFJTZDnZX1RxYp 04:37 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha 06:02 ashimema . 06:24 cait oh martin 06:24 cait ashimema: ... 06:27 * magnuse waves 06:34 eythian well, I think I have roughly 1/4th of my talk written 06:34 eythian time to go home 06:45 cait later eythian 06:50 magnuse have fun eythian 06:51 cait bbiab 06:52 reiveune hello 06:52 wahanui kia ora, reiveune 06:54 alex_a hello 06:59 magnuse @wunder boo 06:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 21, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling). 06:59 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 10.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on October 21, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 06:59 magnuse ooh, not a big difference 07:08 magnuse gah! all those strings beginning with %s%s%sKoha online%s catalog › ... 07:23 Francesca hi 07:23 wahanui que tal, Francesca 07:31 gaetan_B hello 07:48 glen Can anyone tell me what the login and password are for the koha314-demo VM ? Have just installed under ESX but doesn't seem to be any docs. 07:49 ashimema 314... we're on 320 with 322 just around the corner.. why are you trying out 314? 07:49 ashimema no idea about vm passwords I'm afriad 07:50 glen I run Fedora 20 and 22 and needed to try it out. If there is a VM of 320, where can I get it. I got 314 from the download site 07:51 glen I have attempted to do an install gro tar file onto Fedora but there are too many dependencies that I can't resolve in a shared webserver environmnet 07:52 glen Am prepared to build a Debian VM but it would be an orphan in our environment so was hoping for a shortcut :-) 07:54 ashimema ah.. I see 07:54 ashimema wow.. you must have had to search hard to find that vm 07:54 ashimema it's not been supported since 2013 I'm afriad 07:55 ashimema In general the vast majority of us are using debian and packages are the recommended install route for simplicity 07:55 ashimema However, I am aware of a few people running on redhat and suse.. so you 'should' be able to run on fedora.. 07:55 ashimema but as you say, if you're on a hosting that's locked down you will be unlikely to manage to install all the dependancies. 07:55 ashimema :( 07:56 glen It was easy to find http://download.koha-community.org/vm 07:56 ashimema Is this your first foray into koha? 07:57 glen Yes, I am a hosting providier and have been asked by a customer to host for them. I was hoping to run on one of our shared platforms but it may be I'll just roll a webserver just for them. 07:58 ashimema @later tell wizzyrea any chance we could hide the vm koha (314) a bit better from the downloads page on koha-community.. it's a tad misleading 07:58 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 07:58 glen Hence my wnting a shortcut and reluctance to have an orphan OS 07:59 ashimema understandable.. though your customer would likely get a less than wonderful experience using a koha that's no longer supported.. having said that it 'should' be trivial to update the koha in place on the vm 07:59 ashimema what details are you lacking.. the os logins, or the koha app logins? 08:00 ashimema if you have console access.. which of course you should.. you should be able to find the koha admin login details in the config file 08:00 glen They are a not-for-profit and have a very small library and few subscribers. They had KOHA recommended to them by someone else. 08:01 ashimema if it's a package based install (i have no idea at this point what that vm was built as) then /etc/koha/sites/whatever/koha-conf.xml is your friend. 08:01 glen Yep have console access and it asks for a user and password, not suer if that is for the OS or is running the ap already. 08:02 glen My preferred install is probably from a tar file on a Fedora 20 webserver, so I might clone one of our platforms so that I can add extar dependencies without impacting other users 08:03 ashimema that sounds like the optimal solution for you to be honest.. 08:03 ashimema I'm currently searching through a few years of mail to see if I can dig out those login details for you 08:04 ashimema but I'm not feeling very hopeful I'm afriad 08:04 glen Cool, no problem starting again, just an hour or so omf my time :-( 08:05 glen Thanks for your comments. If you do find anything can you email me glen@agre.enterprises, I may still have a go at the 'appliance approach' 08:06 glen lo 08:06 ashimema sure thing 08:06 ashimema sorry I couldn't be of much help :( 08:07 glen Nice to know there is a community out there though :-) 08:12 * cait waves 08:19 * andreashm waves 08:20 * cait waves 08:24 * magnuse waves 08:40 magnuse woohoo - batch checkout! 08:43 andreashm woot 08:44 magnuse :-) 08:45 andreashm anyone know if there has been any progress on the base for the restful api, if it will make it into 3.22? 08:46 ashimema 'tis on todays hit list for me 08:46 magnuse bug 13799 08:46 wahanui somebody said bug 13799 was ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it 08:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Add base for building RESTful API 08:46 andreashm ashimema: sounds great! 08:47 magnuse go ashimema go! 08:49 cait ashimema++ 08:49 cait i distracted him with another bug question *hides* 08:50 andreashm caaaaait! =) 08:51 * cait makes herself invisible 08:52 andreashm cait: while I'm at it, how's it going with (Viktors) bugs related to overdues/notises? =) 08:52 cait i am trying to work throuhg the qa list best i can this week - going by age a bit 08:53 cait there is lots of good stuff in there, but probably nt all will make it before monday :( 08:53 * magnuse gives cait the rest of the week off work 08:53 cait hah 08:53 cait that would be great :) 08:53 * andreashm too 08:54 andreashm tell your boss I said so! =) 08:54 * magnuse too! 08:54 andreashm "Scandinavia said I can take the week off" 08:54 cait we have a go live next week too... so 08:54 andreashm bah. 08:54 andreashm =) 08:54 cait yeah, full month :) 08:55 andreashm this fall has been crazy busy, every month since coming back from summer vacation. 08:56 andreashm so much so that we haven't had time to test the OAI harvester, so it won't make it into 3.22. =( 08:56 magnuse gah, the item edit form for biblios is subtly different from the form you get when you receive a serial issue and add an item... 08:57 cait i feel with you... pretty much the same problem here 08:57 cait i almost had working order emails... but never got to finish them really :( 08:58 cait there will still be a lot of nice things in this release 08:58 cait like the enh for the on-site checouts 08:58 cait batch checkouts sound intersting too 08:58 cait a lot of things i can remember right now as well :) 09:00 cait can't remember... 09:04 andreashm REST API! =) 09:05 magnuse git shortlog 22a6d3fe2ef8f4aad8b689c577bf347954301481..HEAD :-) 09:10 magnuse or git log --oneline 22a6d3fe2ef8f4aad8b689c577bf347954301481..HEAD 09:10 andreashm how does Koha check for duplicates (matching records)? Are there set rules, or can you configure this? 09:11 magnuse i thnk there are two different ways - if you enter a new record it compares the title and maybe author. if you do a batch import you can set up matching rules 09:11 magnuse i think... 09:14 magnuse ah yes Home › Administration › Record matching rules 09:14 * ashimema goes for tea.. upon return it time to think swagger 09:17 andreashm Tea and Swagger! Tea and Swagger! 09:18 * andreashm just thought it sounded funny. Disregard. 09:19 andreashm Does Koha care if imported records with ISBN number have dashes in them or not? I.e. would it affect searches/matching for duplicates etc.? 09:22 andreashm like, for batch exports, should we strip ISBN:s to numbers only for Koha's matching rules to work? 09:22 andreashm batch imports, I mean 09:23 magnuse i think it used to matter, but i am not sure if it has been fixed 09:23 magnuse it uses the zebra indexes 09:23 * andreashm has a scambled barin today. Was up a lot during the night with Ruby. 09:23 magnuse not the programming language, i presume? 09:23 andreashm magnuse: did you look at that for ftp2koha? 09:24 andreashm or did you leave it up to Halland to make sure its setting from LIBRIS would work with the matching rules? 09:26 magnuse hm, i don't think i thought about it... 09:28 magnuse or did i? 09:29 magnuse btw bug 13528, but "this only works if UseQueryParser is disabled" 09:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Ability to search on the different isbn variations 09:31 magnuse andreashm: doesn't look like we do any matching: https://github.com/Libriotech/ftp2koha/blob/master/ftp2koha.pl#L103 i have a faint memory telling me that might be how they wanted it 09:35 cait andreashm: what doy ou want to do? 09:35 cait we have a matching rule on 001 for example - that's the identifier from our union catalog for us 09:38 Joubu hello 09:38 cait morning Joubu :) 09:42 drojf hi #koha 09:51 cait hi drojf 09:56 drojf hi cait 09:56 drojf just finished the german translation for the staff client. looks like the server exploded at the last one 09:57 drojf no, it just said i reached the end, but the popup was out if the screen 09:58 drojf and now it is not all finished. thats funny 10:00 cait drojf: thx a lot for taking care of it 10:00 cait i will focus on qa this week 10:00 cait :) 10:00 cait and... all the other things 10:00 cait lunch! bbl 10:13 Joubu @later tell tcohen why haven't you pushed the last patch on bug 8417? 10:13 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 10:21 Joubu @later tell tcohen jenkins conf files for master u14 and d7 are not in sync (3 t/db_dependent/www/* entries are missing for d7). And they fail because KOHA_INTRANET_URL is not defined 10:21 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 10:23 Joubu @later tell pianohacker as futur MM for the admin area, bugs 14828, 14836 and 14889 might interest you 10:23 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 10:37 andreashm back. reading the log. 10:39 andreashm cait: we might end up going with batch importing (magnuse's ftp2koha work: https://github.com/Libriotech/ftp2koha) if OAI harvesting is not complete when we go live. 10:41 andreashm one export parameter from LIBRIS is how to handle ISBN (depending on matching rules in the local systems). but we should be able to match 001 (LIBRIS Id) as well. 10:57 cait andreashm: that's what we currently do - a nightly import using the staged marc import from command line 10:57 cait there are scripts to do that -just a little hidden 10:58 andreashm cait: ok, thanks 11:01 cait it seems to work quite well... if that is helpful to know :) 11:03 drojf cait: team german done :) 11:04 drojf wasn't much really 11:04 drojf but i have not tested yet 11:04 cait great - thx! 11:04 cait drojf++ 11:08 magnuse drojf: wanna do the nb-NO intranet one too? 11:10 drojf magnuse: not dure if my norwegian is enough :D 11:11 drojf sure 11:15 magnuse oh well, i tried... ;-) 11:18 magnuse ooh, look at bug 15042, all ready to be signed off 11:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15042 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Barcode <branchcode>yymm0001 does not work when receiving serials 11:21 cait khall: just saw your follow up - i think there will be a conflict with the patch for the grace period (both go in smart-rules) so probably willl need to rebase one of those 11:21 khall yeah, I bet you are right! 11:22 khall cait: do you recall that bug number? 11:22 drojf cait: tried the translation files on a 3.20.4, no errors 11:22 khall 13590 11:22 khall cait: you're referring to bug 13590 right? 11:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13590 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add ability to charge fines at start of charge period 11:23 cait khall: not pushed yet, but one will be the first... and then the other will need a little love i think 11:23 cait yep 11:23 khall right, I'm going to make 9129 depend on 13590 and resolve the conflicts 11:24 cait not sure what works best - leaving it to you 11:24 cait just noticed it could get a problem 11:25 drojf @later tell mveron de-DE is done (if you want to use it for de-CH) 11:25 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 11:30 khall cait: can you qa 15043 quick? It's the easiest qa you'll ever do ; ) 11:31 magnuse bug 15043 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15043 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Bottom table header row for circulation rules missing a column 11:33 Joubu khall: I have already submitted a patch for that 11:33 khall Joubu: excellent! I'll close mine out 11:33 khall Joubu: what's the bug number? 11:34 Joubu I have added it on bug 14045 actually 11:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14045 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add specific quotas to on-site checkout 11:34 Joubu I thought Tomas would have pushed it directly 11:34 khall nope 11:35 Joubu @later tell tcohen, please push the followup on bug 14045 11:35 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 11:37 magnuse talk of the rm... 11:39 Joubu tcohen: hi :) 11:40 khall mornin tcohen! 11:42 tcohen hi Joubu 11:42 tcohen hi khall 11:43 tcohen Joubu: I forgot about 8417 followup 11:43 Joubu tcohen: and 14045 too :) 11:43 tcohen and it is possible that not all nodes have the apahe confguration 11:44 * tcohen makes notes for when he reaches the office (having breakfast now) 11:45 tcohen hi fridolin 11:45 magnuse on my plack install i had koha set to store sessions in memcached, but no memcached. i installed memcached and restarted my instance, but koha is still creating cgisess_* files in /tmp. anything particular i need to do to get that to work? 11:45 fridolin hie tcohen 11:45 * andreashm waves 11:46 tcohen hi andreashm 11:46 fridolin magnuse: there are memcache env vars in Apache config I know 11:46 magnuse yup, those should be ok 11:47 tcohen whatsup magnuse? 11:48 tcohen ah 11:48 andreashm is there a way to send a notice when a book is marked as lost, currently? 11:48 tcohen magnuse: you need to restart plack, once things are loaded, they remain in memory 11:49 magnuse tcohen: with "sudo koha-plack --restart <instance>" or something else? 11:49 tcohen magnuse: exactly 11:49 magnuse i already did that... 11:49 tcohen so it is not working? 11:51 magnuse hm, maybe it's working now... 11:51 magnuse nope, still getting new cgisess files 12:13 cait @later tell Viktor ping! 12:13 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 12:24 tcohen hi 12:24 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 12:30 magnuse what are the usernames/passwords for the plack demo from bywater again? 12:31 magnuse found it, soory! 12:31 Joubu magnuse: test_xxx / test_xxx with 1 <= xxx <= 100 12:36 magnuse Joubu: thanks! 12:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14045: Add missing th in tfoot <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8232522a92b47090d651ea8cf6a92aa463454fb> / Bug 8417: Fix test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc395b5f8cb5b7d151cbdbabc360643a5daa205d> 12:39 Joubu khall: thanks for your comment on bug 12768! :) 12:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12768 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maxime.beaulieu, In Discussion , Replacement cost and processing fee management 12:39 khall np! 12:56 andreashm Ah, 12768 - I still hope it can make it in 3.22, if they manage to fix it in time. 12:56 cait close call now 12:56 cait hope they are aware of the deadline 12:57 magnuse bug 12768 12:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12768 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maxime.beaulieu, In Discussion , Replacement cost and processing fee management 12:57 magnuse in discussion? not good... 12:58 Joubu magnuse: "in discussion" is good, when a discussion exists :) 12:59 Joubu magnuse: and the discussion is just starting, feel free to comment if you have any opinion 12:59 magnuse true :-) 12:59 andreashm cait: I'm sure they are, but I saw that Viktor is sick apparently (got an auto reply when I sent him an email today) 13:00 andreashm don't know if any of the devlopers are watching. 13:00 cait oh noes 13:01 andreashm but Eivin is on the cc, at least. 13:28 tcohen Joubu++ # jenkins back to stable 13:29 Joubu \o/ 13:31 cait Joubu++ 13:32 tcohen jenkins fixed? 13:32 wahanui well, jenkins fixed is http://i.stack.imgur.com/05ISR.jpg 13:33 * tcohen wanted to make an akira reference but is not really good at that 13:36 magnuse ooh weirdness. under plack, if you are logged out, go to http://intranet/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl and log in, you end up on http://intranet/intranet/mainpage.pl which is 404 13:36 Joubu tcohen: will you watch rugby on sunday? 13:36 tcohen probably :-D 13:37 drojf can i escape things in the patron import tool? it explodes with records that have " or , in a field 13:37 tcohen magnuse, that's not in master 13:37 tcohen right? 13:37 Joubu I hope you will play All Blacks in final :) 13:38 magnuse tcohen: no, 3.20.x with a backport of your koha-plack stuff 13:38 tcohen magnuse: exactly :-D 13:38 tcohen you need 13:39 tcohen bug 15005 13:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs 13:39 drojf also the encoding in the report after patron import is broken 13:40 cait drojf: hmm, i think there was something about using multiple "" or so... 13:40 cait and your import file need to be utf-8 without bom 13:40 drojf no the encoding is fine. just the report is wrong 13:40 cait report it :) 13:40 drojf i'll make a screenshot if it comes again. yes 13:41 Joubu drojf: Are you sure it's plack related? 13:41 drojf Joubu: not at all 13:41 Joubu drojf: it's certainly not 13:41 drojf there is no plack here atm ;) 13:41 drojf sorry for the confusion 13:41 Joubu actually I thought I have already fixed it, but I don't find a bug report 13:41 tcohen Joubu: i'm bisecting the search bug 13:42 tcohen search tests problem 13:48 magnuse ah, thanks tcohen 14:00 tcohen khall: 12c82427550a4a53e2148d9bf479db3425fef8fd 14:00 khall lol 14:01 tcohen a sec 14:01 tcohen http://snag.gy/7Wf4w.jpg 14:02 Joubu what does test.sh? 14:02 tcohen KOHA_USER=kohaadmin KOHA_PASS=katikoan KOHA_INTRANET_URL=http://koha_master:8080 PERL5LIB=. KOHA_CONF="/home/jenkins/koha_master/etc/koha-conf.xml" prove t/db_dependent/www/auth_values_input_www.t > /dev/null 2>&1 14:03 tcohen koha_master points to localhost in /etc/hosts 14:03 * tcohen will now patch kohadevbox so it sets those ENV variables for koha-shell kohadev 14:04 tcohen khall, Joubu: I'm sure some layout changed so the tests need to be fixed to match the page structure 14:15 fridolin tcohen: where could we find the new features that will come into 3.22 ? 14:16 Joubu nowhere 14:16 fridolin does it even exist ? 14:16 Joubu no 14:16 tcohen there are no features frido 14:16 tcohen .-P 14:16 Joubu feature slush is not passed yet 14:16 tcohen i can build them for you, later 14:16 fridolin tcohen: heuuu new big enhancements 14:16 Joubu git log origin/master ? 14:17 fridolin oki 14:17 fridolin :D 14:17 tcohen or you can build the release notes the same way you did for 3.14 14:17 Joubu using bugzilla, search for feature/enhancement with status=pushed to master 14:17 tcohen but for master 14:17 fridolin Joubu: oki I whas thinking about that 14:17 fridolin thanks 14:46 reiveune bye 14:52 Joubu @later tell tcohen see last patch on bug 10363 14:52 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:52 Joubu @later tell tcohen did you apply 15021 on the plack test server? 14:52 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 15:10 Joubu bye 15:24 cait bug 10363 15:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no package for authorised values. 15:48 gaetan_B bye 16:02 pianohacker good 16:02 pianohacker morning 16:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14900: Add ability to pay all fees at once from circulation screen <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15bf87f866f870ae5eff5d95bb41a78f2e5a516a> / Bug 14154: 608$9 defined twice in UNIMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aaf3ff3fec54011b30ba302e0c13e3ec5e41a142> / Bug 14871: Extend the patrons search to search like %$term% (checkout 17:20 * cait waves 17:21 * pianohacker waves at cait 17:21 cait hello :) 17:22 pianohacker @seen wnickc 17:22 huginn pianohacker: wnickc was last seen in #koha 4 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <wnickc> bye all 17:23 pianohacker dangit me wants a rancor signoff 17:23 pianohacker wantsssssss 17:25 cait that would be nice 18:38 avetitch WWW.EXPOSINGCOMMUNISM.COM 19:01 IceCube Hello all, I was here a few days ago working on moving a databse from an old server to a new one. 19:01 IceCube That migration had some problems so I'm trying it again with a fresh install of everything 19:02 IceCube I have a question about importing the db 19:02 cait what is it? 19:02 wahanui it is something we could get funding for (hint, hint). =) so what would you think is needed more than adding a triple-store for Koha to be able to harvest records from LIBRIS (if we also develop the harvester to handle RDF)? Any ideas? 19:02 IceCube hi cait 19:02 IceCube well I followed the directions on the "Koha on Debian" guide 19:03 cait can you give me the link? 19:03 IceCube I'm at the point of accessing the web interface but I haven't done that yet 19:03 IceCube http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian#Install_Koha 19:03 IceCube Should I import the databse first and then go to the web interface, or vice versa 19:03 cait hm 19:03 cait i'd import the db now 19:03 cait while it's empty 19:03 cait and then the web installer will probably prompt you for updates 19:04 IceCube ok 19:04 cait i assume the db is an older version? 19:04 IceCube I'll give that a try 19:04 IceCube thanks, cait 19:04 cait keeping fingers crosseed 19:04 IceCube haha yeahhh.... 19:04 IceCube this time I'm making a clone of the vm before I move on! Last time I had to start over with a new one because something got corrupted along the way 19:05 cait a clone never hurts 19:05 cait but improting the db should cause no problems 19:05 IceCube I am Irish and I am subject to Murphy's law 19:05 IceCube so it seems, anyways. 19:05 cait aren't we all? i think he doesn't care about natoinality 19:06 IceCube Well the Irish have spread all over the world so I guess they took him with them! 19:06 cait germs? 19:06 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 19:06 cait ... 19:08 cait ;) 19:14 * cait waves 20:22 tcohen hi 20:24 tcohen @later tell Joubu no and no 20:24 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 20:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10363: (QA followups) Fix tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dd9a52e662096d802a5a11df75d4ea2bd3091c8> 20:46 wizzyrea me being back means that koha-community.org is back ;) 20:46 wizzyrea ashimema: sure. 20:48 jcamins wizzyrea: we missed you! 45 minutes with no wizzyrea! 20:48 tcohen hi ashimema, any news on the REST guidelines? 20:49 wizzyrea :) I may drop off again 20:49 wizzyrea because since everyone thinks that kc might be down, I think I might take the upgrade to kvm from xen 20:49 wizzyrea which will take ~6m 20:52 tcohen hi jcamins 20:53 jcamins Hello. 20:55 wizzyrea all done! 20:55 tcohen wizzyrea++ 20:56 wizzyrea haha 9:49-9:55, 6m indeed. 20:58 * tcohen suspects that's too accurate, even for wizzyrea 20:59 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:15 tcohen @later tell Joubu now is yes and yes 21:15 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 21:19 pianohacker now? 21:19 wahanui hey now now, sing this corrosion to me 21:19 pianohacker now? 21:19 wahanui hey now now, sing this corrosion to me 21:37 jcamins @later tell tcohen Yeah, I know people who use Zebra with TEI. 21:37 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 21:40 cait hm ok 21:40 cait what is this trying to tell me? 21:40 cait Dumping manual schema for Koha::Schema to directory ./ ... 21:40 cait DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader::make_schema_at(): Checksum mismatch in './/Koha/Schema/Result/Issuingrule.pm', the auto-generated part of the file has been modified outside of this loader. Aborting. 21:40 cait If you want to overwrite these modifications, set the 'overwrite_modifications' loader option. 21:45 tcohen that means you modified the file outside the place it can be done 21:47 cait hm 21:47 cait tcohen: could you take a quick glance at 9129= 21:47 cait ? 21:47 cait it happens when I try to test this 21:48 cait and there are also some strange warns when running the test 21:50 tcohen oh 21:50 tcohen he should have left the schema update patch out of the first patch 21:50 tcohen so you can regenerate it on your own 21:51 cait he made it dependent on the other patch - maybe he fixed a conflict... and then this is what is causing hte problem now 21:51 cait ? 21:51 tcohen because you cannot just merge it, because the schema generator will notice the hash doesn't match the file 21:51 tcohen cait: probably 21:52 tcohen maybe if you manage to strip that out of the patch? 21:53 cait did you see my last commen t- is that cuased by the first problem or another problem? 21:53 cait it's late here, so I will ask kyle to fix 21:54 tcohen he has fixed some conflict, for sure 21:54 tcohen merged something 21:54 cait yeah probably 21:54 cait i pointed out to him that his 2 patches would be in conflict 21:54 cait once in your queue 21:54 cait because both add new options to issuingrules 21:54 cait so he tried to prevent that by making htem dependent on each other 21:54 tcohen it always happens with dbix updates... 21:55 tcohen he should have provided separate DBIx patches, for people without the knowledge to be able to test his patches 21:55 tcohen but expecting them to be regenerated on QA or when being pushed 21:56 cait i am asking him to make them separate 21:56 tcohen because any change to the table he is changing will make his own changes useless 21:56 tcohen because git will try to merge, and the hash won't be valid anymore 21:58 eythian hi 22:02 * andreashm waves 22:04 * cait waves back 22:04 cait ruby? 22:04 wahanui i heard ruby was easy to install. Any > 1.8.7 works fine 22:05 andreashm sleeping 22:05 andreashm I should be too. 22:05 eythian wahanui: that is a lie 22:05 wahanui OK, eythian. 22:05 andreashm but am annoyed I can't get a SRU server to work in Koha 22:06 drojf evening 22:06 andreashm hi 22:06 drojf what is the problem with sru? 22:07 andreashm don't know. I can access it through the browser, but can't make it work in Koha 22:07 cait do you want to download in koha or activate koha's sru? 22:07 andreashm this one: http://api.libris.kb.se/sru/libris 22:07 andreashm cait: I want to test downloading for ctaloging 22:07 andreashm cataloging 22:08 andreashm I guess I'm filling out the SRU form wrong somehow. 22:08 cait can you share how you set it up? 22:08 cait it's a bit tricky 22:08 cait i still have to really read the specs you sent too :( 22:08 * cait needs more time in a day 22:11 andreashm sure 22:11 andreashm cait: who doesn't? :) 22:15 pastebot "andreashm" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SRU" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/119 22:16 andreashm not sure that's readable. I could take a screenshot instead. 22:19 cait drojf: still around? 22:19 drojf yes 22:19 cait do you have the dnb sru at hand to compare maybe? 22:19 drojf looking for my sru notes 22:19 drojf heh 22:19 cait yeah mine are at work :) 22:20 drojf i have a blogpost that i kind of forgot to ever post about it. lol 22:20 cait andreashm: you might be missing something in the sru options thing 22:20 cait can you share the page with the data you are tying to use too? 22:22 andreashm I have just tried searching for author: strindberg 22:23 andreashm if anyone has an actual SRU server setup that works, I'd like to see it yeah. =) 22:23 andreashm but right now I think its time for bed. 22:23 andreashm can look at it again tomorrow. 22:23 cait try the keyword search first 22:23 andreashm might help when people are at work 22:24 cait andreashm: i promised viktor notes about the dnb one - can send to you as wlel 22:24 cait hopefully tomorrow... but no promises 22:24 andreashm cait: thanks, that would be great 22:24 andreashm hehe 22:24 andreashm nope, nothing with keywords. 22:25 cait hm i remember i got one working for another union catalog here 22:25 cait i will check what i have 22:25 andreashm thanks a bunch 22:27 drojf works for me 22:27 cait drojf might have better notes for the dnb one tho :) 22:27 cait andreashm: check for additional spaces 22:27 drojf i have the kb one running 22:27 andreashm drojf: what does? 22:27 cait at the end of url and such 22:27 * wnickc waves 22:27 * cait had that break things 22:27 cait hi wnickc 22:28 wnickc hi cait 22:28 andreashm drojf: oh really? 22:28 wahanui really is more trouble than she's worth. 22:28 cait drojf+ 22:28 drojf will upload a screenshot, mom 22:28 cait drojf++ even 22:28 andreashm drojf++ 22:30 cait btw... i need a sign off for 14246 as a dependency for things in my queue... 22:30 cait (wonder how they got there without that patch... but...) 22:30 cait bug 14246 22:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14246 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, xarragon, Needs Signoff , Add borrowernumber to koha_news 22:31 drojf [off] andreashm: http://abunchofthings.net/koha/sru.kb.se.png 22:31 drojf would have been faster to type it. lol 22:32 cait oh 22:32 cait sru/libris in database 22:33 cait and the get 22:33 andreashm hehe 22:33 andreashm thanks a lot drojf!! 22:34 cait drojf: i use Shutter for screenshots and it can directly upload via ftp and let's you directly paste the url - it's really helpful 22:35 andreashm I had sru/libris in database for a while, and tried sru=get, but I think the main thing was that I used http://api.libris.kb.se/sru/libris as hostname and not libris.kb.se 22:35 cait drojf++ again :) 22:36 andreashm cait: that's a useful tip 22:36 andreashm cait++ 22:36 andreashm drojf++ 22:36 drojf [off] cait: does that work for you? http://abunchofthings.net/blog/freie-metadaten-von-der-dnb-per-sru/ 22:36 cait link works :) 22:36 drojf andreashm: you can find that in the info of the server 22:36 cait i will point Viktor there instead of using my own confusing notes :) 22:36 drojf andreashm: api.libris.kb.se/sru/libris shows the server info 22:37 andreashm drojf: yeah, I saw that, but went with the name/link from KB:s webiste instead. stupid me. =) 22:37 drojf but i thoink the other works too 22:37 drojf i only tried in yaz client, it works there 22:37 andreashm alright, I'm of to bed. thanks again! 22:37 cait wow 22:37 drojf but sru is always weird. it took me ages to get the dnb working 22:37 cait long post! 22:38 drojf [off] i even made the support crazy lol 22:38 drojf cait: i wrote that months ago and forgot 22:38 drojf and thought we should probably fix the bug with the ~ 22:38 drojf ;) 22:38 cait tops the notes i had form the library :) 22:38 cait did you file it? :P 22:39 drojf no, i wanted to look into it and then 100 other things happened :D 22:39 cait if you get bored... see if 10612 does delete borrowers with checkouts correctly for you? 22:39 pianohacker bug 10612 22:39 wahanui hmmm... bug 10612 is weird 22:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Add ability to delete patrons with batch patron deletion tool 22:40 pianohacker cait: is that correctly deletes or correctly does not delete? 22:40 cait i had a lot of bad and strange things happen on my database testing htis 22:40 cait like... it said it deleted but then i had an entry for the same patron in borrowers and deletedborrowers 22:40 cait ... which is... wel 22:40 cait l 22:40 pianohacker that's a thing, yeah 22:40 cait jonathan says it works for him 22:40 cait so we have a pat 22:41 cait hm draw? 22:41 cait whatever 22:41 wahanui and ever, amen. 22:41 eythian that's what transactions are for 22:41 eythian do the move in a transaction and it either totally succeeds or totally fails 22:41 eythian no half-way state 22:42 eythian it's the whole point of the A in ACID 22:43 pianohacker one question I've always had about designing APIs around that; do you shove the commit logic in the controllers? You can't put it in the model, really, as there may be multiple model calls per logical operation 22:48 eythian well 22:48 eythian that's a tricky problem 22:48 eythian if it really needs to be atomic, I think you're better doing it in one call. 22:48 eythian either that or have a structure that lets you wrap multiple calls in a transaction. 22:48 eythian passing in a list of subs or something 22:49 pianohacker yeah, that's where the controller/model divide gets... weird 22:49 pianohacker there's stuff that belongs in the gaps between them 22:49 eythian but, if the call to the model is "delete user", then the model should know to "start transaction, write user to deleted_users, delete user from users, commit transaction" 22:49 eythian because that's what deleting a user really is 22:50 eythian but that's not always possible 22:51 pianohacker but then you get into issues like, say, merging borrowers 22:52 pianohacker where the whole higher level operation of "transfer history/checkouts/etc., delete original" needs to be one transaction 22:52 eythian yep 22:52 pianohacker it's one of those problems that you always feel should have been solved 10 years ago but any google search leads to "have fun writing it yourself!" 22:53 eythian there's probably a design pattern for it :) 22:53 pianohacker is this just lowercase design pattern or design pattern with a capital Java? 22:53 eythian probably both, but I was thinking of the latter 22:54 eythian actually, your request managing system could create a transaction for the request 22:54 eythian so the whole thing succeeds or fails 22:54 eythian it's basically pushing the problem outwards 22:55 eythian though, there probably are situations where a failure is OK because you check for it and you don't want to abort the whole transaction 22:55 eythian I dunno, ask papa, I bet he knows 22:56 drojf good night #koha 22:56 eythian hi drojf 22:56 eythian bye drojf 22:56 drojf hibye eythian 22:56 eythian see, one transaction! 22:57 pianohacker hahahaha 22:58 pianohacker I dunno, drojf's response seemed to have autocommit on... 23:01 eythian https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/656798423878799360 23:02 wizzyrea teehee 23:20 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 23:21 mtompset eythian++ # bug 14884 23:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14884 critical, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , [3.20.X] Test failure from Bug 14470 23:22 mtompset Joubu++ # bug 14884 23:34 papa sorry, what was the question? 23:34 mtompset are you asking me? :) 23:34 mtompset I was wondering about conflict markers ages back, eythian and Joubu fixed it. 23:35 eythian http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2015-10-21#i_1744878 <-- papa, starting here 23:36 pianohacker Holy crap! 23:36 * wahanui blesses crap 23:36 pianohacker AaaaaaaaaaaaA! 23:36 pianohacker bug 11559 23:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Professional cataloger's interface 23:36 pianohacker woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooha! 23:36 eythian signed off?! 23:36 wahanui i heard signed off was the queue the QA team should watch 23:36 eythian surely that's an accident! 23:36 pianohacker nope! :D 23:36 * pianohacker dances on the ceiling 23:36 eythian oh great, now we have to clean the footprints off the ceiling 23:37 eythian also, someone turn the gravity back on 23:37 pianohacker *thump* ow! 23:38 wnickc mtompsett are you testing 14246? 23:38 wnickc mtompset:^^ 23:39 mtompset Yes, working on it. 23:39 wnickc cause I was too, so I'll let you sign off 23:39 wnickc it works according to me :-) 23:39 mtompset Multiple sign offs is good. 23:40 wnickc fair point 23:40 papa well, without reading carefully I can tell you what I do most of the times: I do two layers - an atomic one, and then (controller) calls transaction wrapper with a sub that does atomic calls 23:40 mtompset https://youtu.be/OdQDXs75Ulo 23:40 papa but that's just my pref 23:40 mtompset (Dancing on the ceiling by Lionel Richie) 23:41 pianohacker I knew I was referencing something 23:44 wnickc pianohacker: you do realize if it gets in you are going to be simultaneously praised and attacked by catalogers? 23:45 pianohacker wnickc: oh, trust me, I know 23:45 wnickc with DEMANDS for new features! and workflows you can't comprehend 23:45 pianohacker I'm asking for qa testing from a group of people the library industry calls detail oriented 23:46 pianohacker catalogers++ ;) 23:46 wnickc pianohacker++ rancor++ 23:59 pianohacker bye all 23:59 pianohacker wnickc++