Time  Nick          Message
01:58 wizzyrea      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEC4nZ-yga8
02:00 tcohen        excellent song!
02:00 wizzyrea      ^.^
02:00 * tcohen      loves bjork
02:00 wizzyrea      yeah same
02:00 wizzyrea      just very quiet in here :)
02:02 tcohen        who would start another big riot?
02:02 wizzyrea      bjork, of course :D
02:02 eythian       I kinda went off björk when I heard her music.
02:03 wizzyrea      yeah, that doesn't seem like it would be your thing so much.
02:03 wizzyrea      :D
02:04 wizzyrea      I had a roommate in uni that was simply obsessed with bjork. Since she was one of my favourite people ever, I ended up rather liking bjork.
02:05 tcohen        hahahaha
02:06 ibeardslee    she (well as part of sugarcubes?) had a song I quite liked .. but damned if I can work out what it was.
02:08 wizzyrea      what was it about?
02:09 wizzyrea      i.e. what do you remember about it
02:11 tcohen        human behaviour
02:42 eythian       http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/11013 <-- interesting stuff on Catmandu
02:56 wizzyrea      hey I know that person from twitter.
03:09 mtj           .
03:09 mtj           oops
03:12 mtj           ibeardslee:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s-It
03:12 mtj           ^ thats a really great sugarcubes album
03:13 mtj           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyujZnw4qy4&list=PLBaC7nMz00Wj0J2PSQWAFJTZDnZX1RxYp
04:37 mveron        Good morning / daytime #koha
06:02 ashimema      .
06:24 cait          oh martin
06:24 cait          ashimema: ...
06:27 * magnuse     waves
06:34 eythian       well, I think I have roughly 1/4th of my talk written
06:34 eythian       time to go home
06:45 cait          later eythian
06:50 magnuse       have fun eythian
06:51 cait          bbiab
06:52 reiveune      hello
06:52 wahanui       kia ora, reiveune
06:54 alex_a        hello
06:59 magnuse       @wunder boo
06:59 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 21, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling).
06:59 magnuse       @wunder marseille
06:59 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 10.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on October 21, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
06:59 magnuse       ooh, not a big difference
07:08 magnuse       gah! all those strings beginning with %s%s%sKoha online%s catalog &rsaquo; ...
07:23 Francesca     hi
07:23 wahanui       que tal, Francesca
07:31 gaetan_B      hello
07:48 glen          Can anyone tell me what the login and password are for the koha314-demo VM ?  Have just installed under ESX but doesn't seem to be any docs.
07:49 ashimema      314... we're on 320 with 322 just around the corner.. why are you trying out 314?
07:49 ashimema      no idea about vm passwords I'm afriad
07:50 glen          I run Fedora 20 and 22 and needed to try it out.  If there is a VM of 320, where can I get it.  I got 314 from the download site
07:51 glen          I have attempted to do an install gro tar file onto Fedora but there are too many dependencies that I can't resolve in a shared webserver environmnet
07:52 glen          Am prepared to build a Debian VM but it would be an orphan in our environment so was hoping for a shortcut :-)
07:54 ashimema      ah.. I see
07:54 ashimema      wow.. you must have had to search hard to find that vm
07:54 ashimema      it's not been supported since 2013 I'm afriad
07:55 ashimema      In general the vast majority of us are using debian and packages are the recommended install route for simplicity
07:55 ashimema      However, I am aware of a few people running on redhat and suse.. so you 'should' be able to run on fedora..
07:55 ashimema      but as you say, if you're on a hosting that's locked down you will be unlikely to manage to install all the dependancies.
07:55 ashimema      :(
07:56 glen          It was easy to find http://download.koha-community.org/vm
07:56 ashimema      Is this your first foray into koha?
07:57 glen          Yes, I am a hosting providier and have been asked by a customer to host for them.  I was hoping to run on one of our shared platforms but it may be I'll just roll a webserver just for them.
07:58 ashimema      @later tell wizzyrea any chance we could hide the vm koha (314) a bit better from the downloads page on koha-community.. it's a tad misleading
07:58 huginn        ashimema: The operation succeeded.
07:58 glen          Hence my wnting a shortcut and reluctance to have an orphan OS
07:59 ashimema      understandable.. though your customer would likely get a less than wonderful experience using a koha that's no longer supported.. having said that it 'should' be trivial to update the koha in place on the vm
07:59 ashimema      what details are you lacking.. the os logins, or the koha app logins?
08:00 ashimema      if you have console access.. which of course you should.. you should be able to find the koha admin login details in the config file
08:00 glen          They are a not-for-profit and have a very small library and few subscribers.  They had KOHA recommended to them by someone else.
08:01 ashimema      if it's a package based install (i have no idea at this point what that vm was built as) then /etc/koha/sites/whatever/koha-conf.xml is your friend.
08:01 glen          Yep have console access and it asks for a user and password, not suer if that is for the OS or is running the ap already.
08:02 glen          My preferred install is probably from a tar file on a Fedora 20 webserver, so I might clone one of our platforms so that I can add extar dependencies without impacting other users
08:03 ashimema      that sounds like the optimal solution for you to be honest..
08:03 ashimema      I'm currently searching through a few years of mail to see if I can dig out those login details for you
08:04 ashimema      but I'm not feeling very hopeful I'm afriad
08:04 glen          Cool, no problem starting again, just an hour or so omf my time :-(
08:05 glen          Thanks for your comments.  If you do find anything can you email me glen@agre.enterprises, I may still have a go at the 'appliance approach'
08:06 glen          lo
08:06 ashimema      sure thing
08:06 ashimema      sorry I couldn't be of much help :(
08:07 glen          Nice to know there is a community out there though :-)
08:12 * cait        waves
08:19 * andreashm   waves
08:20 * cait        waves
08:24 * magnuse     waves
08:40 magnuse       woohoo - batch checkout!
08:43 andreashm     woot
08:44 magnuse       :-)
08:45 andreashm     anyone know if there has been any progress on the base for the restful api, if it will make it into 3.22?
08:46 ashimema      'tis on todays hit list for me
08:46 magnuse       bug 13799
08:46 wahanui       somebody said bug 13799 was ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it
08:46 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Add base for building RESTful API
08:46 andreashm     ashimema: sounds great!
08:47 magnuse       go ashimema go!
08:49 cait          ashimema++
08:49 cait          i distracted him with another bug question *hides*
08:50 andreashm     caaaaait! =)
08:51 * cait        makes herself invisible
08:52 andreashm     cait: while I'm at it, how's it going with (Viktors) bugs related to overdues/notises? =)
08:52 cait          i am trying to work throuhg the qa list best i can this week - going by age a bit
08:53 cait          there is lots of good stuff in there, but probably nt all will make it before monday :(
08:53 * magnuse     gives cait the rest of the week off work
08:53 cait          hah
08:53 cait          that would be great :)
08:53 * andreashm   too
08:54 andreashm     tell your boss I said so! =)
08:54 * magnuse     too!
08:54 andreashm     "Scandinavia said I can take the week off"
08:54 cait          we have a go live next week too... so
08:54 andreashm     bah.
08:54 andreashm     =)
08:54 cait          yeah, full month :)
08:55 andreashm     this fall has been crazy busy, every month since coming back from summer vacation.
08:56 andreashm     so much so that we haven't had time to test the OAI harvester, so it won't make it into 3.22. =(
08:56 magnuse       gah, the item edit form for biblios is subtly different from the form you get when you receive a serial issue and add an item...
08:57 cait          i feel with you... pretty much the same problem here
08:57 cait          i almost had working order emails... but never got to finish them really :(
08:58 cait          there will still be a lot of nice things in this release
08:58 cait          like the enh for the on-site checouts
08:58 cait          batch checkouts sound intersting too
08:58 cait          a lot of things i can remember right now as well :)
09:00 cait          can't remember...
09:04 andreashm     REST API! =)
09:05 magnuse       git shortlog 22a6d3fe2ef8f4aad8b689c577bf347954301481..HEAD :-)
09:10 magnuse       or git log --oneline 22a6d3fe2ef8f4aad8b689c577bf347954301481..HEAD
09:10 andreashm     how does Koha check for duplicates (matching records)? Are there set rules, or can you configure this?
09:11 magnuse       i thnk there are two different ways - if you enter a new record it compares the title and maybe author. if you do a batch import you can set up matching rules
09:11 magnuse       i think...
09:14 magnuse       ah yes Home › Administration › Record matching rules
09:14 * ashimema    goes for tea.. upon return it time to think swagger
09:17 andreashm     Tea and Swagger! Tea and Swagger!
09:18 * andreashm   just thought it sounded funny. Disregard.
09:19 andreashm     Does Koha care if imported records with ISBN number have dashes in them or not? I.e. would it affect searches/matching for duplicates etc.?
09:22 andreashm     like, for batch exports, should we strip ISBN:s to numbers only for Koha's matching rules to work?
09:22 andreashm     batch imports, I mean
09:23 magnuse       i think it used to matter, but i am not sure if it has been fixed
09:23 magnuse       it uses the zebra indexes
09:23 * andreashm   has a scambled barin today. Was up a lot during the night with Ruby.
09:23 magnuse       not the programming language, i presume?
09:23 andreashm     magnuse: did you look at that for ftp2koha?
09:24 andreashm     or did you leave it up to Halland to make sure its setting from LIBRIS would work with the matching rules?
09:26 magnuse       hm, i don't think i thought about it...
09:28 magnuse       or did i?
09:29 magnuse       btw bug 13528, but "this only works if UseQueryParser is disabled"
09:29 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Ability to search on the different isbn variations
09:31 magnuse       andreashm: doesn't look like we do any matching: https://github.com/Libriotech/ftp2koha/blob/master/ftp2koha.pl#L103 i have a faint memory telling me that might be how they wanted it
09:35 cait          andreashm: what doy ou want to do?
09:35 cait          we have a matching rule on 001 for example - that's the identifier from our union catalog for us
09:38 Joubu         hello
09:38 cait          morning Joubu :)
09:42 drojf         hi #koha
09:51 cait          hi drojf
09:56 drojf         hi cait
09:56 drojf         just finished the german translation for the staff client. looks like the server exploded at the last one
09:57 drojf         no, it just said i reached the end, but the popup was out if the screen
09:58 drojf         and now it is not all finished. thats funny
10:00 cait          drojf: thx a lot for taking care of it
10:00 cait          i will focus on qa this week
10:00 cait          :)
10:00 cait          and... all the other things
10:00 cait          lunch! bbl
10:13 Joubu         @later tell tcohen why haven't you pushed the last patch on bug 8417?
10:13 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:21 Joubu         @later tell tcohen jenkins conf files for master u14 and d7 are not in sync (3 t/db_dependent/www/* entries are missing for d7). And they fail because KOHA_INTRANET_URL is not defined
10:21 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:23 Joubu         @later tell pianohacker as futur MM for the admin area, bugs 14828, 14836 and 14889 might interest you
10:23 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:37 andreashm     back. reading the log.
10:39 andreashm     cait: we might end up going with batch importing (magnuse's ftp2koha work: https://github.com/Libriotech/ftp2koha) if OAI harvesting is not complete when we go live.
10:41 andreashm     one export parameter from LIBRIS is how to handle ISBN (depending on matching rules in the local systems). but we should be able to match 001 (LIBRIS Id) as well.
10:57 cait          andreashm: that's what we currently do - a nightly import using the staged marc import from command line
10:57 cait          there are scripts to do that -just a little hidden
10:58 andreashm     cait: ok, thanks
11:01 cait          it seems to work quite well... if that is helpful to know :)
11:03 drojf         cait: team german done :)
11:04 drojf         wasn't much really
11:04 drojf         but i have not tested yet
11:04 cait          great - thx!
11:04 cait          drojf++
11:08 magnuse       drojf: wanna do the nb-NO intranet one too?
11:10 drojf         magnuse: not dure if my norwegian is enough :D
11:11 drojf         sure
11:15 magnuse       oh well, i tried... ;-)
11:18 magnuse       ooh, look at bug 15042, all ready to be signed off
11:18 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15042 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Barcode <branchcode>yymm0001 does not work when receiving serials
11:21 cait          khall: just saw your follow up - i think there will be a conflict with the patch for the grace period (both go in smart-rules) so probably willl need to rebase one of those
11:21 khall         yeah, I bet you are right!
11:22 khall         cait: do you recall that bug number?
11:22 drojf         cait: tried the translation files on a 3.20.4, no errors
11:22 khall         13590
11:22 khall         cait: you're referring to bug 13590 right?
11:22 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13590 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add ability to charge fines at start of charge period
11:23 cait          khall: not pushed yet, but one will be the first... and then the other will need a little love i think
11:23 cait          yep
11:23 khall         right, I'm going to make 9129 depend on 13590 and resolve the conflicts
11:24 cait          not sure what works best - leaving it to you
11:24 cait          just noticed it could get a problem
11:25 drojf         @later tell mveron de-DE is done (if you want to use it for de-CH)
11:25 huginn        drojf: The operation succeeded.
11:30 khall         cait: can you qa 15043 quick? It's the easiest qa you'll ever do ; )
11:31 magnuse       bug 15043
11:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15043 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Bottom table header row for circulation rules missing a column
11:33 Joubu         khall: I have already submitted a patch for that
11:33 khall         Joubu: excellent! I'll close mine out
11:33 khall         Joubu: what's the bug number?
11:34 Joubu         I have added it on bug 14045 actually
11:34 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14045 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add specific quotas to on-site checkout
11:34 Joubu         I thought Tomas would have pushed it directly
11:34 khall         nope
11:35 Joubu         @later tell tcohen, please push the followup on bug 14045
11:35 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
11:37 magnuse       talk of the rm...
11:39 Joubu         tcohen: hi :)
11:40 khall         mornin tcohen!
11:42 tcohen        hi Joubu
11:42 tcohen        hi khall
11:43 tcohen        Joubu: I forgot about 8417 followup
11:43 Joubu         tcohen: and 14045 too :)
11:43 tcohen        and it is possible that not all nodes have the apahe confguration
11:44 * tcohen      makes notes for when he reaches the office (having breakfast now)
11:45 tcohen        hi fridolin
11:45 magnuse       on my plack install i had koha set to store sessions in memcached, but no memcached. i installed memcached and restarted my instance, but koha is still creating cgisess_* files in /tmp. anything particular i need to do to get that to work?
11:45 fridolin      hie tcohen
11:45 * andreashm   waves
11:46 tcohen        hi andreashm
11:46 fridolin      magnuse: there are memcache env vars in Apache config I know
11:46 magnuse       yup, those should be ok
11:47 tcohen        whatsup magnuse?
11:48 tcohen        ah
11:48 andreashm     is there a way to send a notice when a book is marked as lost, currently?
11:48 tcohen        magnuse: you need to restart plack, once things are loaded, they remain in memory
11:49 magnuse       tcohen: with "sudo koha-plack --restart <instance>" or something else?
11:49 tcohen        magnuse: exactly
11:49 magnuse       i already did that...
11:49 tcohen        so it is not working?
11:51 magnuse       hm, maybe it's working now...
11:51 magnuse       nope, still getting new cgisess files
12:13 cait          @later tell Viktor ping!
12:13 huginn        cait: The operation succeeded.
12:24 tcohen        hi
12:24 magnuse       ¡hola tcohen!
12:30 magnuse       what are the usernames/passwords for the plack demo from bywater again?
12:31 magnuse       found it, soory!
12:31 Joubu         magnuse: test_xxx / test_xxx with 1 <= xxx <= 100
12:36 magnuse       Joubu: thanks!
12:36 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14045: Add missing th in tfoot <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8232522a92b47090d651ea8cf6a92aa463454fb> / Bug 8417: Fix test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc395b5f8cb5b7d151cbdbabc360643a5daa205d>
12:39 Joubu         khall: thanks for your comment on bug 12768! :)
12:39 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12768 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maxime.beaulieu, In Discussion , Replacement cost and processing fee management
12:39 khall         np!
12:56 andreashm     Ah, 12768 - I still hope it can make it in 3.22, if they manage to fix it in time.
12:56 cait          close call now
12:56 cait          hope they are aware of the deadline
12:57 magnuse       bug 12768
12:57 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12768 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maxime.beaulieu, In Discussion , Replacement cost and processing fee management
12:57 magnuse       in discussion? not good...
12:58 Joubu         magnuse: "in discussion" is good, when a discussion exists :)
12:59 Joubu         magnuse: and the discussion is just starting, feel free to comment if you have any opinion
12:59 magnuse       true :-)
12:59 andreashm     cait: I'm sure they are, but I saw that Viktor is sick apparently (got an auto reply when I sent him an email today)
13:00 andreashm     don't know if any of the devlopers are watching.
13:00 cait          oh noes
13:01 andreashm     but Eivin is on the cc, at least.
13:28 tcohen        Joubu++ # jenkins back to stable
13:29 Joubu         \o/
13:31 cait          Joubu++
13:32 tcohen        jenkins fixed?
13:32 wahanui       well, jenkins fixed is http://i.stack.imgur.com/05ISR.jpg
13:33 * tcohen      wanted to make an akira reference but is not really good at that
13:36 magnuse       ooh weirdness. under plack, if you are logged out, go to http://intranet/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl and log in, you end up on http://intranet/intranet/mainpage.pl which is 404
13:36 Joubu         tcohen: will you watch rugby on sunday?
13:36 tcohen        probably :-D
13:37 drojf         can i escape things in the patron import tool? it explodes with records that have " or , in a field
13:37 tcohen        magnuse, that's not in master
13:37 tcohen        right?
13:37 Joubu         I hope you will play All Blacks in final :)
13:38 magnuse       tcohen: no, 3.20.x with a backport of your koha-plack stuff
13:38 tcohen        magnuse: exactly :-D
13:38 tcohen        you need
13:39 tcohen        bug 15005
13:39 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs
13:39 drojf         also the encoding in the report after patron import is broken
13:40 cait          drojf: hmm, i think there was something about using multiple "" or so...
13:40 cait          and your import file need to be utf-8 without bom
13:40 drojf         no the encoding is fine. just the report is wrong
13:40 cait          report it :)
13:40 drojf         i'll make a screenshot if it comes again. yes
13:41 Joubu         drojf: Are you sure it's plack related?
13:41 drojf         Joubu: not at all
13:41 Joubu         drojf: it's certainly not
13:41 drojf         there is no plack here atm ;)
13:41 drojf         sorry for the confusion
13:41 Joubu         actually I thought I have already fixed it, but I don't find a bug report
13:41 tcohen        Joubu: i'm bisecting the search bug
13:42 tcohen        search tests problem
13:48 magnuse       ah, thanks tcohen
14:00 tcohen        khall: 12c82427550a4a53e2148d9bf479db3425fef8fd
14:00 khall         lol
14:01 tcohen        a sec
14:01 tcohen        http://snag.gy/7Wf4w.jpg
14:02 Joubu         what does test.sh?
14:02 tcohen        KOHA_USER=kohaadmin KOHA_PASS=katikoan KOHA_INTRANET_URL=http://koha_master:8080 PERL5LIB=. KOHA_CONF="/home/jenkins/koha_master/etc/koha-conf.xml" prove t/db_dependent/www/auth_values_input_www.t > /dev/null 2>&1
14:03 tcohen        koha_master points to localhost in /etc/hosts
14:03 * tcohen      will now patch kohadevbox so it sets those ENV variables for koha-shell kohadev
14:04 tcohen        khall, Joubu: I'm sure some layout changed so the tests need to be fixed to match the page structure
14:15 fridolin      tcohen: where could we find the new features that will come into 3.22 ?
14:16 Joubu         nowhere
14:16 fridolin      does it even exist ?
14:16 Joubu         no
14:16 tcohen        there are no features frido
14:16 tcohen        .-P
14:16 Joubu         feature slush is not passed yet
14:16 tcohen        i can build them for you, later
14:16 fridolin      tcohen: heuuu new big enhancements
14:16 Joubu         git log origin/master ?
14:17 fridolin      oki
14:17 fridolin      :D
14:17 tcohen        or you can build the release notes the same way you did for 3.14
14:17 Joubu         using bugzilla, search for feature/enhancement with status=pushed to master
14:17 tcohen        but for master
14:17 fridolin      Joubu: oki I whas thinking about that
14:17 fridolin      thanks
14:46 reiveune      bye
14:52 Joubu         @later tell tcohen see last patch on bug 10363
14:52 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:52 Joubu         @later tell tcohen did you apply 15021 on the plack test server?
14:52 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:10 Joubu         bye
15:24 cait          bug 10363
15:24 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no package for authorised values.
15:48 gaetan_B      bye
16:02 pianohacker   good
16:02 pianohacker   morning
16:49 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14900: Add ability to pay all fees at once from circulation screen <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15bf87f866f870ae5eff5d95bb41a78f2e5a516a> / Bug 14154: 608$9 defined twice in UNIMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aaf3ff3fec54011b30ba302e0c13e3ec5e41a142> / Bug 14871: Extend the patrons search to search like %$term% (checkout
17:20 * cait        waves
17:21 * pianohacker waves at cait
17:21 cait          hello :)
17:22 pianohacker   @seen wnickc
17:22 huginn        pianohacker: wnickc was last seen in #koha 4 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <wnickc> bye all
17:23 pianohacker   dangit me wants a rancor signoff
17:23 pianohacker   wantsssssss
17:25 cait          that would be nice
18:38 avetitch      WWW.EXPOSINGCOMMUNISM.COM
19:01 IceCube       Hello all, I was here a few days ago working on moving a databse from an old server to a new one.
19:01 IceCube       That migration had some problems so I'm trying it again with a fresh install of everything
19:02 IceCube       I have a question about importing the db
19:02 cait          what is it?
19:02 wahanui       it is something we could get funding for (hint, hint). =) so what would you think is needed more than adding a triple-store for Koha to be able to harvest records from LIBRIS (if we also develop the harvester to handle RDF)? Any ideas?
19:02 IceCube       hi cait
19:02 IceCube       well I followed the directions on the "Koha on Debian" guide
19:03 cait          can you give me the link?
19:03 IceCube       I'm at the point of accessing the web interface but I haven't done that yet
19:03 IceCube       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian#Install_Koha
19:03 IceCube       Should I import the databse first and then go to the web interface, or vice versa
19:03 cait          hm
19:03 cait          i'd import the db now
19:03 cait          while it's empty
19:03 cait          and then the web installer will probably prompt you for updates
19:04 IceCube       ok
19:04 cait          i assume the db is an older version?
19:04 IceCube       I'll give that a try
19:04 IceCube       thanks, cait
19:04 cait          keeping fingers crosseed
19:04 IceCube       haha yeahhh....
19:04 IceCube       this time I'm making a clone of the vm before I move on!  Last time I had to start over with a new one because something got corrupted along the way
19:05 cait          a clone never hurts
19:05 cait          but improting the db should cause no problems
19:05 IceCube       I am Irish and I am subject to Murphy's law
19:05 IceCube       so it seems, anyways.
19:05 cait          aren't we all? i think he doesn't care about natoinality
19:06 IceCube       Well the Irish have spread all over the world so I guess they took him with them!
19:06 cait          germs?
19:06 wahanui       Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
19:06 cait          ...
19:08 cait          ;)
19:14 * cait        waves
20:22 tcohen        hi
20:24 tcohen        @later tell Joubu no and no
20:24 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
20:25 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10363: (QA followups) Fix tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dd9a52e662096d802a5a11df75d4ea2bd3091c8>
20:46 wizzyrea      me being back means that koha-community.org is back ;)
20:46 wizzyrea      ashimema: sure.
20:48 jcamins       wizzyrea: we missed you! 45 minutes with no wizzyrea!
20:48 tcohen        hi ashimema, any news on the REST guidelines?
20:49 wizzyrea      :) I may drop off again
20:49 wizzyrea      because since everyone thinks that kc might be down, I think I might take the upgrade to kvm from xen
20:49 wizzyrea      which will take ~6m
20:52 tcohen        hi jcamins
20:53 jcamins       Hello.
20:55 wizzyrea      all done!
20:55 tcohen        wizzyrea++
20:56 wizzyrea      haha 9:49-9:55, 6m indeed.
20:58 * tcohen      suspects that's too accurate, even for wizzyrea
20:59 wizzyrea      ^.^
21:15 tcohen        @later tell Joubu now is yes and yes
21:15 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
21:19 pianohacker   now?
21:19 wahanui       hey now now, sing this corrosion to me
21:19 pianohacker   now?
21:19 wahanui       hey now now, sing this corrosion to me
21:37 jcamins       @later tell tcohen Yeah, I know people who use Zebra with TEI.
21:37 huginn        jcamins: The operation succeeded.
21:40 cait          hm ok
21:40 cait          what is this trying to tell me?
21:40 cait          Dumping manual schema for Koha::Schema to directory ./ ...
21:40 cait          DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader::make_schema_at(): Checksum mismatch in './/Koha/Schema/Result/Issuingrule.pm', the auto-generated part of the file has been modified outside of this loader.  Aborting.
21:40 cait          If you want to overwrite these modifications, set the 'overwrite_modifications' loader option.
21:45 tcohen        that means you modified the file outside the place it can be done
21:47 cait          hm
21:47 cait          tcohen: could you take a quick glance at 9129=
21:47 cait          ?
21:47 cait          it happens when I try to test this
21:48 cait          and there are also some strange warns when running the test
21:50 tcohen        oh
21:50 tcohen        he should have left the schema update patch out of the first patch
21:50 tcohen        so you can regenerate it on your own
21:51 cait          he made it dependent on the other patch - maybe he fixed a conflict... and then this is what is causing hte problem now
21:51 cait          ?
21:51 tcohen        because you cannot just merge it, because the schema generator will notice the hash doesn't match the file
21:51 tcohen        cait: probably
21:52 tcohen        maybe if you manage to strip that out of the patch?
21:53 cait          did you see my last commen t- is that cuased by the first problem or another problem?
21:53 cait          it's late here, so I will ask kyle to fix
21:54 tcohen        he has fixed some conflict, for sure
21:54 tcohen        merged something
21:54 cait          yeah probably
21:54 cait          i pointed out to him that his 2 patches would be in conflict
21:54 cait          once in your queue
21:54 cait          because both add new options to issuingrules
21:54 cait          so he tried to prevent that by making htem dependent on each other
21:54 tcohen        it always happens with dbix updates...
21:55 tcohen        he should have provided separate DBIx patches, for people without the knowledge to be able to test his patches
21:55 tcohen        but expecting them to be regenerated on QA or when being pushed
21:56 cait          i am asking him to make them separate
21:56 tcohen        because any change to the table he is changing will make his own changes useless
21:56 tcohen        because git will try to merge, and the hash won't be valid anymore
21:58 eythian       hi
22:02 * andreashm   waves
22:04 * cait        waves back
22:04 cait          ruby?
22:04 wahanui       i heard ruby was easy to install. Any > 1.8.7 works fine
22:05 andreashm     sleeping
22:05 andreashm     I should be too.
22:05 eythian       wahanui: that is a lie
22:05 wahanui       OK, eythian.
22:05 andreashm     but am annoyed I can't get a SRU server to work in Koha
22:06 drojf         evening
22:06 andreashm     hi
22:06 drojf         what is the problem with sru?
22:07 andreashm     don't know. I can access it through the browser, but can't make it work in Koha
22:07 cait          do you want to download in koha or activate koha's sru?
22:07 andreashm     this one: http://api.libris.kb.se/sru/libris
22:07 andreashm     cait: I want to test downloading for ctaloging
22:07 andreashm     cataloging
22:08 andreashm     I guess I'm filling out the SRU form wrong somehow.
22:08 cait          can you share how you set it up?
22:08 cait          it's a bit tricky
22:08 cait          i still have to really read the specs you sent too :(
22:08 * cait        needs more time in a day
22:11 andreashm     sure
22:11 andreashm     cait: who doesn't? :)
22:15 pastebot      "andreashm" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SRU" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/119
22:16 andreashm     not sure that's readable. I could take a screenshot instead.
22:19 cait          drojf: still around?
22:19 drojf         yes
22:19 cait          do you have the dnb sru at hand to compare maybe?
22:19 drojf         looking for my sru notes
22:19 drojf         heh
22:19 cait          yeah mine are at work :)
22:20 drojf         i have a blogpost that i kind of forgot to ever post about it. lol
22:20 cait          andreashm: you might be missing something in the sru options thing
22:20 cait          can you share the page with the data you are tying to use too?
22:22 andreashm     I have just tried searching for author: strindberg
22:23 andreashm     if anyone has an actual SRU server setup that works, I'd like to see it yeah. =)
22:23 andreashm     but right now I think its time for bed.
22:23 andreashm     can look at it again tomorrow.
22:23 cait          try the keyword search first
22:23 andreashm     might help when people are at work
22:24 cait          andreashm: i promised viktor notes about the dnb one - can send to you as wlel
22:24 cait          hopefully tomorrow... but no promises
22:24 andreashm     cait: thanks, that would be great
22:24 andreashm     hehe
22:24 andreashm     nope, nothing with keywords.
22:25 cait          hm i remember i got one working for another union catalog here
22:25 cait          i will check what i have
22:25 andreashm     thanks a bunch
22:27 drojf         works for me
22:27 cait          drojf might have better notes for the dnb one tho :)
22:27 cait          andreashm: check for additional spaces
22:27 drojf         i have the kb one running
22:27 andreashm     drojf: what does?
22:27 cait          at the end of url and such
22:27 * wnickc      waves
22:27 * cait        had that break things
22:27 cait          hi wnickc
22:28 wnickc        hi cait
22:28 andreashm     drojf: oh really?
22:28 wahanui       really is more trouble than she's worth.
22:28 cait          drojf+
22:28 drojf         will upload a screenshot, mom
22:28 cait          drojf++ even
22:28 andreashm     drojf++
22:30 cait          btw... i need a sign off for 14246 as a dependency for things in my queue...
22:30 cait          (wonder how they got there without that patch... but...)
22:30 cait          bug 14246
22:30 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14246 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, xarragon, Needs Signoff , Add borrowernumber to koha_news
22:31 drojf         [off] andreashm: http://abunchofthings.net/koha/sru.kb.se.png
22:31 drojf         would have been faster to type it. lol
22:32 cait          oh
22:32 cait          sru/libris in database
22:33 cait          and the get
22:33 andreashm     hehe
22:33 andreashm     thanks a lot drojf!!
22:34 cait          drojf: i use Shutter for screenshots and it can directly upload via ftp and let's you directly paste the url - it's really helpful
22:35 andreashm     I had sru/libris in database for a while, and tried sru=get, but I think the main thing was that I used http://api.libris.kb.se/sru/libris as hostname and not libris.kb.se
22:35 cait          drojf++ again :)
22:36 andreashm     cait: that's a useful tip
22:36 andreashm     cait++
22:36 andreashm     drojf++
22:36 drojf         [off] cait: does that work for you? http://abunchofthings.net/blog/freie-metadaten-von-der-dnb-per-sru/
22:36 cait          link works :)
22:36 drojf         andreashm: you can find that in the info of the server
22:36 cait          i will point Viktor there instead of using my own confusing notes :)
22:36 drojf         andreashm: api.libris.kb.se/sru/libris shows the server info
22:37 andreashm     drojf: yeah, I saw that, but went with the name/link from KB:s webiste instead. stupid me. =)
22:37 drojf         but i thoink the other works too
22:37 drojf         i only tried in yaz client, it works there
22:37 andreashm     alright, I'm of to bed. thanks again!
22:37 cait          wow
22:37 drojf         but sru is always weird. it took me ages to get the dnb working
22:37 cait          long post!
22:38 drojf         [off] i even made the support crazy lol
22:38 drojf         cait: i wrote that months ago and forgot
22:38 drojf         and thought we should probably fix the bug with the ~
22:38 drojf         ;)
22:38 cait          tops the notes i had form the library :)
22:38 cait          did you file it? :P
22:39 drojf         no, i wanted to look into it and then 100 other things happened :D
22:39 cait          if you get bored... see if 10612 does delete borrowers with checkouts correctly for you?
22:39 pianohacker   bug 10612
22:39 wahanui       hmmm... bug 10612 is weird
22:39 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Add ability to delete patrons with batch patron deletion tool
22:40 pianohacker   cait: is that correctly deletes or correctly does not delete?
22:40 cait          i had a lot of bad and strange things happen on my database testing htis
22:40 cait          like... it said it deleted but then i had  an entry for the same patron in borrowers and deletedborrowers
22:40 cait          ... which is... wel
22:40 cait          l
22:40 pianohacker   that's a thing, yeah
22:40 cait          jonathan says it works for him
22:40 cait          so we have a pat
22:41 cait          hm draw?
22:41 cait          whatever
22:41 wahanui       and ever, amen.
22:41 eythian       that's what transactions are for
22:41 eythian       do the move in a transaction and it either totally succeeds or totally fails
22:41 eythian       no half-way state
22:42 eythian       it's the whole point of the A in ACID
22:43 pianohacker   one question I've always had about designing APIs around that; do you shove the commit logic in the controllers? You can't put it in the model, really, as there may be multiple model calls per logical operation
22:48 eythian       well
22:48 eythian       that's a tricky problem
22:48 eythian       if it really needs to be atomic, I think you're better doing it in one call.
22:48 eythian       either that or have a structure that lets you wrap multiple calls in a transaction.
22:48 eythian       passing in a list of subs or something
22:49 pianohacker   yeah, that's where the controller/model divide gets... weird
22:49 pianohacker   there's stuff that belongs in the gaps between them
22:49 eythian       but, if the call to the model is "delete user", then the model should know to "start transaction, write user to deleted_users, delete user from users, commit transaction"
22:49 eythian       because that's what deleting a user really is
22:50 eythian       but that's not always possible
22:51 pianohacker   but then you get into issues like, say, merging borrowers
22:52 pianohacker   where the whole higher level operation of "transfer history/checkouts/etc., delete original" needs to be one transaction
22:52 eythian       yep
22:52 pianohacker   it's one of those problems that you always feel should have been solved 10 years ago but any google search leads to "have fun writing it yourself!"
22:53 eythian       there's probably a design pattern for it :)
22:53 pianohacker   is this just lowercase design pattern or design pattern with a capital Java?
22:53 eythian       probably both, but I was thinking of the latter
22:54 eythian       actually, your request managing system could create a transaction for the request
22:54 eythian       so the whole thing succeeds or fails
22:54 eythian       it's basically pushing the problem outwards
22:55 eythian       though, there probably are situations where a failure is OK because you check for it and you don't want to abort the whole transaction
22:55 eythian       I dunno, ask papa, I bet he knows
22:56 drojf         good night #koha
22:56 eythian       hi drojf
22:56 eythian       bye drojf
22:56 drojf         hibye eythian
22:56 eythian       see, one transaction!
22:57 pianohacker   hahahaha
22:58 pianohacker   I dunno, drojf's response seemed to have autocommit on...
23:01 eythian       https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/656798423878799360
23:02 wizzyrea      teehee
23:20 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
23:21 mtompset      eythian++ # bug 14884
23:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14884 critical, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , [3.20.X] Test failure from Bug 14470
23:22 mtompset      Joubu++ # bug 14884
23:34 papa          sorry, what was the question?
23:34 mtompset      are you asking me? :)
23:34 mtompset      I was wondering about conflict markers ages back, eythian and Joubu fixed it.
23:35 eythian       http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2015-10-21#i_1744878 <-- papa, starting here
23:36 pianohacker   Holy crap!
23:36 * wahanui     blesses crap
23:36 pianohacker   AaaaaaaaaaaaA!
23:36 pianohacker   bug 11559
23:36 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Professional cataloger's interface
23:36 pianohacker   woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooha!
23:36 eythian       signed off?!
23:36 wahanui       i heard signed off was the queue the QA team should watch
23:36 eythian       surely that's an accident!
23:36 pianohacker   nope! :D
23:36 * pianohacker dances on the ceiling
23:36 eythian       oh great, now we have to clean the footprints off the ceiling
23:37 eythian       also, someone turn the gravity back on
23:37 pianohacker   *thump* ow!
23:38 wnickc        mtompsett are you testing 14246?
23:38 wnickc        mtompset:^^
23:39 mtompset      Yes, working on it.
23:39 wnickc        cause I was too, so I'll let you sign off
23:39 wnickc        it works according to me :-)
23:39 mtompset      Multiple sign offs is good.
23:40 wnickc        fair point
23:40 papa          well, without reading carefully I can tell you what I do most of the times: I do two layers - an atomic one, and then (controller) calls transaction wrapper with a sub that does atomic calls
23:40 mtompset      https://youtu.be/OdQDXs75Ulo
23:40 papa          but that's just my pref
23:40 mtompset      (Dancing on the ceiling by Lionel Richie)
23:41 pianohacker   I knew I was referencing something
23:44 wnickc        pianohacker: you do realize if it gets in you are going to be simultaneously praised and attacked by catalogers?
23:45 pianohacker   wnickc: oh, trust me, I know
23:45 wnickc        with DEMANDS for new features! and workflows you can't comprehend
23:45 pianohacker   I'm asking for qa testing from a group of people the library industry calls detail oriented
23:46 pianohacker   catalogers++ ;)
23:46 wnickc        pianohacker++ rancor++
23:59 pianohacker   bye all
23:59 pianohacker   wnickc++