Time Nick Message 23:59 dcook That's the other thing... there's so many levels 23:59 * dcook is having flashbacks to his master's class in taxonomic classification 23:59 dcook Of course, that's more of an access/indexing issue... but it still goes to show that different people want different things 23:58 dcook But other people might want to find a record if it has a title in 505$t 23:58 dcook Sure... there might be someone who doesn't want to get hits if the search string is in 505$t 23:58 dcook I had someone recently ask that 505$t not be indexed into Title 23:58 dcook It is tough knowing what users want/need of course... 23:57 * dcook shudders 23:56 gmcharlt *tossing 23:56 gmcharlt dcook: I think it boils down to toss the data at the wall to see what sticks 23:53 wizzyrea *snerk* 23:53 wahanui lizardrea 23:53 dcook heya wizzyrea 23:53 wizzyrea hi 23:53 dcook Or rather... they don't know what data users really need/want 23:53 dcook gmcharlt: That certainly seems to be an issue, although I think that libraries don't know what to do with the data they have now 23:52 * dcook wasn't that keen until he saw gmcharlt's recent endoresement 23:52 * dcook needs to go see that... 23:52 dcook Spoilers :p 23:51 gmcharlt ibeardslee: actually, there is now a result! :) (The Martian) 23:51 gmcharlt one part of the problem is the difficulty of predicted how much induced demand for moar data will crop up 23:51 ibeardslee gmcharlt: No Results 23:50 dcook That would be rather interesting 23:50 dcook lol 23:50 * dcook doesn't recall chewing on books but his wife assures him that their progeny will do so 23:50 gmcharlt OTOH, a patron who is a movie buff may actually want to figure out what movies the library has that feature (a) Sean Bean (b) not dying 23:50 dcook gmcharlt: True that 23:49 dcook Or would you create a record and link the main part to the original? 23:49 dcook So even if you download someone else's record... you might want to completely change the links.. 23:49 gmcharlt but... All The Vocabularies!!! is not necessarily of that much interest to a parent looking to see what book their toddler will chew on next 23:48 dcook Mmm, yes, I was wondering about that as well 23:48 gmcharlt e.g., LOD in theory means that you can pull in All The Vocabularies!!! 23:48 gmcharlt but what I'm driving at is more the questions of what the users want/need 23:48 gmcharlt dcook: heh, part of it 23:48 dcook The dollars in terms of hosting the servers which will be bombarded? 23:47 dcook gmcharlt: Hmm? 23:46 rangi heh 23:46 gmcharlt (you get to pick which country supplies the dollars) 23:46 gmcharlt dcook: that is part of the $64K quesiton 23:46 rangi i like the idea of it 23:45 dcook My interest in LoD seems to go up and down periodically 23:45 dcook Hmm, perhaps I should pester him 23:45 rangi no idea, gmcharlt might know 23:44 dcook But what about copy cataloguing? 23:44 dcook For original cataloguing, you'd do up your own records, and maybe link to authority sources 23:44 dcook I wonder a bit how it would work... 23:44 dcook Ahh k 23:44 rangi afaik yeah 23:43 dcook Actually, rangi, you might know the answer... how do you decide what to show from the linked records? Is it just up to the application? 23:43 dcook I mean... cool in that it links to other records but it's still its own site 23:43 dcook Since it's just linking to itself 23:43 dcook Not really a great example: http://bibframe.org//resources/sample-lc-1/exhibit.html 23:42 dcook I'd love to see some examples of library linked data in action though... 23:42 dcook It's a bit mind-boggling 23:41 rangi yeah, and how it took so long 23:41 * dcook twitches 23:41 dcook But...RDA! RDA! 23:41 dcook And I'll still never get over how RDA is basically AACR3 23:41 dcook That's my thought so far :/ 23:40 rangi yeah, bibframe, its not much better than marcxml 23:40 dcook \o/ 23:40 dcook Let's use a machine readable format but make the data only reliably parseable by humans 23:39 dcook Sure from an AACR2/RDA perspective but... what? 23:39 dcook Because that makes sense... 23:39 dcook <bf:extent>xv, 170 p. ;</bf:extent> 23:32 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on October 13, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 23:32 Francesca @wunder wlg 23:31 Francesca hello! 23:24 dcook Hmm, looks like the cached version is from the 8th... so who knows.. 23:22 * dcook wonders what percentage of websites relating to linked data actually work anymore 23:22 dcook Boo Bibframe... http://bibframe.org/vocab/authorizedAccessPoint.html 22:20 Brooke tea! 21:20 Brooke How's it going? 21:20 rangi hey Brooke 21:20 Brooke :) 21:20 cait hi Brooke 21:20 Brooke 0/ 21:16 wahanui :) 21:16 eythian wahanui: botsnack 21:16 eythian heh 21:16 cait why would he? i bribe him regularly with cookies 21:16 cait hi eythian 21:15 eythian I'm surprised wahanui didn't speak up there. 21:15 eythian hi cait 21:15 cait hi eythian 21:13 eythian hi 20:31 cait ohoh 20:31 andreashm we have to have time to make evil plans. =) 20:30 andreashm cait: we sure will. 20:23 cait might be worth talking then 20:23 cait ah 20:23 Viktor He's working on CMS patches for fiering up proper pages with navigation etc. It might get finished this week actually. 20:22 Viktor Ping xarragon for bug 14980 20:22 Viktor cait Yes it may! Thanks. 20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14980 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , Add a page showing one news 20:21 cait bug 14980 - goes the same direction as someof your developments i think 20:21 cait ah viktor, i saw a bug that might be interesting for you 20:20 cait so you are cheating and meet before friday even? :) 20:20 cait :) 20:19 andreashm haha 20:19 Viktor I've heard about sleep. 20:18 andreashm oh, hi Viktor! 20:18 Viktor Slightly means right direction at least :) 20:18 andreashm slightly better. =) 20:18 Viktor Glad to hear andreashm 20:18 andreashm but still up a lot at night. 20:17 andreashm yeah, a little more sleep now. 20:17 andreashm lots going on right now. I've invited Viktor up for a workshop on Wednesday for instance. 20:16 cait and i was about to ask if the little one lets you sleep a bit mre now 20:16 andreashm ah of course. my brain is slow. 20:15 cait friday :) 20:15 andreashm ? 20:14 cait countdown is running :) 20:14 * cait waves back 20:12 * andreashm waves 19:22 tcohen bye everyone 19:20 cait less ... dark 19:20 cait i like it 19:20 hector \back 19:20 cait morning rangi 19:18 rangi cool 19:16 tcohen miles better than the current one 19:16 tcohen looks great 19:16 rangi hi liw and tcohen 19:16 tcohen hi rangi 19:12 rangi https://imgur.com/a/qOmhm <-- francesca has been working on themeing bugzilla to be more Koha ish .. what do people think? 19:12 liw rangi, good morningses 19:11 rangi morning 18:43 cait heh 18:03 tcohen hahahahah 18:03 * liw always finds it fitting that "release manager" is abbreviated "rm" and points out that "find dirname -delete" (GNU find) is faster then "rm -rf dirname" (GNU coreutils), but sometimes suspects he's just weird 18:02 magnuse haha 17:54 bag I second tcohen 17:53 bag ;) 17:53 tcohen heh 17:53 tcohen oh 17:53 tcohen magnuse: I nominate you 17:53 bag :D 17:53 bag I nominate magnuse 17:53 asma tcohen: Thanks ! 17:52 tcohen magnuse: me too :-D 17:52 tcohen there is no recipe 17:52 tcohen asma: you should try, it might be enough for you 17:50 * magnuse wonders who will step up as rm 17:49 asma Tcohen: we have 3 Mbps in upload from our ISP. It's the internet speed of our internet. 17:49 magnuse knuckles! 17:47 wahanui bidet, bag 17:47 bag magnuse: HI 17:47 wahanui hello, magnuse 17:47 magnuse bag: HI 17:46 tcohen I'm not sure, I assume that 3Mbps are reserved for Koha? 17:44 asma tcohen: we plan to have a peak of 300 people connected at the same time. What could be a minimum ? 17:36 tcohen asma: it really depends on how much you use it. 3Mbps might me too little, but depends on the real-life load 17:34 asma Thanks Hi all. I work in a library of 20000 books and we have the project to move to koha in a near future. We want to setup our own web server. What is the minimum speed of Internet do we need? For the moment, we have 30Mbps in download and 3Mbps in upload. Thanks a lot. 17:06 cait hm sec 17:05 tcohen ok, the 4th then 17:04 cait sometimes without a 'deadline' nothing happens 17:03 tcohen but I have no strong preference 17:02 tcohen i thought we could leave that open, and if we filled all mandatory roles, then add it to the meeting agenda, otherwise, we can just have a special voting session 17:01 tcohen I think so 17:00 cait ? 17:00 cait can i just write 'will be on 4th' or do we need to have some kind of vote 17:00 cait you fear the freedm? 16:59 * tcohen fears *freedom* 16:59 cait cool thanks 16:59 tcohen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.24 16:56 cait are you ok with the date? i can try to emai lthe mailing list.. i need to make slides, it's welcome procrastination :) 16:56 cait asadoooo 16:55 bag mmm 16:55 bag ummmm 16:55 bag asado 16:54 tcohen will do right now 16:54 tcohen i forgot about the nomination page 16:54 tcohen heh 16:53 cait tcohen: nomination page? and 4th november for the meeting? 16:52 cait hi bag :) 16:52 bag hi cait 16:52 cait hi tcohen :) 16:52 tcohen hi cait! 16:49 tcohen yeah, a bit slow at the beggining, but got lots of momentum right now 16:49 bag great news :) construction is going well? 16:49 tcohen i expect to have my house built by march :-D 16:48 bag excellent :D 16:48 tcohen you can have one each day for a whole week, just visit us :-D 16:48 bag heya tcohen 16:47 tcohen hi bag 16:39 bag oh man I want an asado now 16:29 Joubu bye 15:51 reiveune bye 15:51 gaetan_B bye 15:41 tcohen Joubu: found it, my terminal is adding that weird character when I create a new line… so it is when I use vim… still didn't find how to fix it, might ask khall for his iterm2 config :-D 15:23 asma Hi! sorry to interrupt your work! Do you have on idea of the minimum internet uploading speed for a koha web server (we would like to install it in my library) Thanks! 14:52 asma *will 14:51 asma Hi all. I work in a library of 20000 books and we would move to koha in a near future. We want to setup our own web server. What is the minimum speed of Internet do we need? For the moment, we have 30Mbps in download and 3Mbps in upload. Thanks a lot. 13:31 magnuse better late than never ;-) 13:31 magnuse kia ora paul_p 13:27 * magnuse wishes he had not missed the asado... 13:19 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 13:19 tcohen @later tell marcelr we need to set a default upload_path on install for the 3.22 release 13:18 tcohen hi cait 13:16 cait mmh asado 13:11 magnuse sounds nice! 13:07 tcohen pizzas last night 13:07 tcohen asado on saturday, and sunday 13:03 wahanui rumour has it yours is better actually 13:03 magnuse and yours? 13:00 magnuse good! went to a children's day at the concert house, then went to our cabin in the woods where we cooked lambchops over an open fire :-) 12:58 tcohen hi magnuse, how was your weekend? 12:58 magnuse s/hita/hiya/ 12:58 magnuse hita tcohen 12:57 tcohen thanks huginn 12:57 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 18.8°C (9:55 AM ART on October 12, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling). 12:57 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:57 huginn tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. 12:57 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argenitna 12:57 tcohen morning 11:41 dojobo magnuse: nice 11:01 magnuse unseasonably warm! 11:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on October 12, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising). 11:01 magnuse @wunder boo 10:28 dojobo better wear my jacket to lunch 10:28 huginn dojobo: The current temperature in Munich, Germany is 8.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on October 12, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 10:28 dojobo @wunder muc 10:01 cait i wanted you to see my later:) 09:47 Joubu cait: yep 09:13 cait Joubu: around? 09:13 magnuse feels good, doesn't it! 09:10 atheia welcome to the in-crowd ;-) 09:09 * cait waves 09:09 cait lol 09:09 atheia And now I'm part of the thing! 09:09 cait everyone even... 09:09 cait first reminder to everwone... dev meeting on wednesday! 09:09 atheia :-) 09:09 cait :) 09:07 magnuse oh it is! 09:04 * atheia waves too, just because it might be a thing 09:03 * magnuse waves again 08:59 cait :) 08:56 atheia always :-) 08:55 cait maybe you need a vacation :) 08:55 cait heh 08:54 atheia (in my head that is) 08:54 atheia But I have misplaced the email, so it clearly didn't get beyond the "interesting" phase :-) 08:53 atheia Right, yeah. I definitely saw that and registered it as interesting… 08:52 cait it seems they got some discussion going on what could be in vufind3 08:52 atheia cait: yeah… that sounds familiar. I'll double-check. sec. 08:51 atheia cait: oh no, just no notifications, so I chack back irregularly 08:50 cait atheia: did i scare you away now? 08:47 cait did you get the email about the etherpad? 08:46 atheia *shuffles off* :-) 08:46 cait (says me... who had the wrong train tickets with her last week...) 08:45 cait as you shoudl :P 08:45 atheia still feel sheepish about the train ticket omnishambles! :-/ 08:45 cait the slides should be online soon 08:45 cait I only went to the dinner, but people there seemed quite happy 08:45 atheia heya cait — how was the VuFind conference in the end? 08:44 cait hey atheia 08:44 atheia g'morn koha :-) 07:25 Francesca hey 07:23 gaetan_B hello 07:19 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on October 12, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 07:19 Francesca @wunder wlg 07:09 huginn dojobo: Error: No such location could be found. 07:09 dojobo @wunder munich 07:05 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 07:05 magnuse @later tell rangi okelydokely! :-) 07:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 18.0°C (9:50 AM EEST on October 12, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 07:04 magnuse @wunder thessaloniki 07:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on October 12, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 07:04 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:04 magnuse hah! 07:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Liverpool, United Kingdom is 6.0°C (7:50 AM BST on October 12, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 07:04 magnuse @wunder liverpool, uk 07:04 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 07:04 magnuse @wunder liverpool 07:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 12, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 07:04 magnuse @wunder boo 06:57 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one 06:57 Joubu good morning 06:46 reiveune hello 06:05 * magnuse waves 05:59 cait hi all 05:35 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (6:00 PM NZDT on October 12, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 05:35 Francesca @wunder wlg 03:32 huginn Francesca: The operation succeeded. 03:32 Francesca @later tell rangi bugzilla screenshots are here http://imgur.com/a/qOmhm 03:32 Francesca lets try that again 03:32 wizzyrea :) 03:32 wizzyrea I think you want @later tell 03:31 wahanui http://buikitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120202-094434.jpg 03:31 * Francesca facepalms 03:31 huginn Francesca: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling. 03:31 Francesca @tell later rangi: bugzilla screenshots are here http://imgur.com/a/qOmhm 03:29 Francesca rangi: http://imgur.com/a/qOmhm 03:28 wizzyrea worried a bit about summer though >.> 03:28 wizzyrea is what that is. 03:28 wizzyrea uhmayzing. 03:28 eythian madness 03:28 eythian it's almost 20 03:28 eythian what the hell is that 03:28 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (4:00 PM NZDT on October 12, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 03:28 eythian @wunder nzwn 03:04 * Francesca waves 03:00 mtj thanks liz, i'm a bit rusty on all that stuff 02:57 wizzyrea but to be absolutely clear: predue isn't, normally, an overdue 02:56 wizzyrea but that's not really clear either. 02:56 wizzyrea well you know, any notice can be an overdue notice, as long as it is the overdue system that's sending it 02:56 wizzyrea there ought to be a good way to differentiate those besides how they are described there. :/ 02:55 mtj ok :) 02:55 wizzyrea right, yep, it's not one of those 02:55 mtj from.. http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/tools.html#noticemarkup 02:55 wizzyrea it's a module circulation one 02:55 mtj These new tags only work on the overdue notices, not other circulation related notices at this time." 02:55 mtj "Important 02:55 wahanui basically is all but closed/wontfix/invalid 02:55 mtj basically... 02:54 wizzyrea or wait, what do you mean, you mean when you are defining it? 02:54 wizzyrea notice* 02:54 mtj aah, ta wiz :) 02:54 wizzyrea it's an enhanced messaging preferences type of notices 02:54 wizzyrea nope 02:54 mtj hey #koha, is a PREDUE notice an 'overdue' type notice? 01:33 wizzyrea curse my whatever is wrong with my networking connectivity 01:33 eythian that's how you do it wizzyrea 01:33 wahanui http://buikitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120202-094434.jpg 01:33 eythian facepalm? 01:31 dcook ^ 01:30 wizzyrea sigh. 01:30 wahanui i guess facepalm is a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity. 01:30 wizzyrea facepalm? 01:30 wahanui facepalm is probably a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity. 01:30 wizzyrea facepalm?