Time  Nick         Message
03:05 Amit_Gupta   hi all
03:30 mtompset     Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha Amit_Gupta wizzyrea.
03:31 wizzyrea     later
03:32 Amit_Gupta   heya wizzyrea
03:32 wahanui      wizzyrea is desperate to make a snarky reply here, but I'm not feeling very creative :)
06:16 * magnuse    waves
06:18 dcook        yo magnuse
06:18 * dcook      also waves to a quiet cait
06:24 magnuse      yo dcook!
06:24 magnuse      does kohacon16 voting end today?
06:26 reiveune     hello
06:27 * magnuse    wonders why @kohails is tweeting about yoga
06:29 dcook        Mmm dunno?
06:29 dcook        on either count
06:29 dcook        yo reiveune
06:30 reiveune     salut dcook
06:33 fridolin     hie there
06:43 magnuse      bonjour fridolin
06:45 * cait       waves back and runs off to work
06:56 fridolin     bonjour tout le monde
06:58 Joubu        hi
06:58 wahanui      que tal, Joubu
06:59 alex_a       bonjour
06:59 wahanui      hi, alex_a
07:09 dcook        laters all
07:13 drojf        morning #kohaq
07:13 drojf        koha even
07:18 drojf        magnuse: yes it does, at 12 utc
07:18 drojf        then it will only take a week to clean out the cheaters until you all get the results :P
08:01 magnuse      drojf: cool :-)
08:05 * cait       waves
08:13 * magnuse    waves back
08:15 drojf        hi cait
09:00 schnydszch   hello koha community!
09:01 schnydszch   can somebody here knows how to read nytprof?
09:02 schnydszch   and interpret so I can adjust what needs optimization
09:16 Joubu        schnydszch: Have you read the wiki page? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Profiling_with_Devel::NYTProf
09:16 schnydszch   yes
09:17 schnydszch   in fact I already have the nytprof
09:18 schnydszch   Filename	/usr/lib/perl5/Net/Z3950/ZOOM.pm Statements	Executed 0 statements in 0s Subroutines Calls	P	F	Exclusive Time	Inclusive Time	Subroutine 18	1	1	12.6s	12.6s	Net::Z3950::ZOOM::resultset_record (xsub) 12	1	1	457ms	457ms	Net::Z3950::ZOOM::event (xsub) 1	1	1	1.86ms	1.86ms	Net::Z3950::ZOOM::query_ccl2rpn (xsub) 18	1	1	244µs	392µs	Net::Z3950::ZOOM::record_get 20	1	1	97µs	97µs	Net::Z3950::ZOOM::connection_error_x (xsub) 18	1	1	93µs	93µs	Net::Z3950::
09:18 drojf        schnydszch: maybe use paste for such things, thats better to read
09:18 drojf        paste?
09:18 wahanui      I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org
09:19 schnydszch   I see that subroutine resultset_record has a time of 12.6s with 18 calls (?)
09:19 schnydszch   http://paste.koha-community.org/73
09:20 schnydszch   what flavor is your paste wahanui?
09:20 schnydszch   :)
09:22 Joubu        schnydszch: you should have a look at bug 13665
09:22 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13665 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow
09:24 schnydszch   so it's a bug?
09:26 schnydszch   any advise then on what to do?
09:26 schnydszch   I've already optimized the mysql database
09:27 Joubu        How did you reach this call? What are you trying do to?
09:28 schnydszch   I search for a keyword
09:28 schnydszch   a keyword that gives me 245k plus
09:28 schnydszch   of records
09:28 Joubu        How are the facets calculated?
09:30 schnydszch   sorry, how do I know how facets are calculated?
09:31 Joubu        grep use_zebra_facets $KOHA_CONF
09:33 schnydszch   it hanged when I issued that Joubu
09:35 Joubu        Does $KOHA_CONF defined?
09:36 Joubu        well, in your koha-conf.xml file, there should be a use_zebra_facets tag, if set to 1, you are using the facets calculated and retrieved from zebra
09:36 Joubu        these are correctly calculated facets, but it depends on the number of results
09:36 schnydszch   yeah it's one
09:37 Joubu        If the tag does not exist or set to 0, you are using the old way: wrong facet but fast
09:37 Joubu        schnydszch: ok so it's a known bug, the one I gave you
09:37 schnydszch   so if I change to 0, searching will be faster?
09:37 Joubu        yes
09:38 schnydszch   do i need to reindex this?
09:38 Joubu        no
09:38 schnydszch   ok I'll try
09:38 Joubu        you should def read the description of bug 13665
09:38 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13665 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow
09:39 Joubu        "facets are retrieved from zebra" means use_zebra_facets = 1
09:39 Joubu        "the old facet method" means 0 or does not exist
09:50 itsallonfire Good morning. :)  I've inherited an old Koha system that I know very little about.  It was plodding along nicely until we had a power cut yesterday.  Prodding about I think some of the files may have vanished on me.  I'm getting "File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/js" pop up in the error log.  When I browse to the htdocs folder it contains an intranet-tmpl folder but nothing else.  Any thoughts?
09:52 cait         schnydszch: less accurate (you want to turn off the number shown behind the facet) but way faster for big collections
09:52 Joubu        itsallonfire: What's the Koha version?
09:56 schnydszch   thanks Joubu cait but I seemed to messed up with the test server when I deleted all files in tmp, which I should have only deleted the nytprofs
09:56 schnydszch   so I'm getting this instead: Software error:  Can't call method "do" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 793. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 89. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 25. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 25.
09:57 Joubu        Check the DB conn
09:57 itsallonfire That's a very good question.  Is there any way to find that out when it's not running?
09:57 Joubu        KOHA_CONF defined correctly, restart mysql/mariadb
09:58 Joubu        itsallonfire: grep VERSION kohaversion.pl
09:58 schnydszch   a ha the mysql percona server I installed
10:08 itsallonfire I just get "grep: kohaversion.pl: No such file or directory"
10:09 itsallonfire Although the latest set of release notes on the doc folder is for 3.0.5
10:10 cait         itsallonfire: can you get into the mysqldatabas?
10:10 cait         check if that is still ok?
10:10 cait         if you can, this should give you the version: select * from systempreferences where variable = "Version"
10:11 cait         if it deleted all the koha things... that sounds really bad
10:14 Francesca    essay writing
10:14 wahanui      essay writing is evil
10:14 Francesca    sigh
10:14 cdickinson   evil
10:15 cdickinson   wahanui: literal evil
10:15 wahanui      cdickinson: huh?
10:15 itsallonfire That vomes back with 3.0402000
10:16 cait         hm ok
10:16 cait         that's a pretty old version
10:16 cait         i think i'd recommend to do a mysqldump first and keep that save
10:16 Francesca    itsallonfire: hope your problem gets sorted out but on a totally unrelated note you have an awesome nickname
10:16 itsallonfire Thanks. :D
10:17 cait         Joubu: what do you think about reinstalling Koha for itsallonfire - not sure what would be best?
10:17 drojf        what cait says. then install latest koha on a test system and try to set up an instance with the db dump. that should upgrade your old stuff and work if the db is ok
10:18 cait         but 3.4.2 would be quite a jump in features and appearance i think
10:18 cait         from 3.4.2 to a latest 3.20 version that would be
10:18 drojf        yes, a lot of new awesomeness :)
10:19 Joubu        cait: I think it's time to upgrade, yes :)
10:19 drojf        but if it works on a test installation, you know the db is alright and you can respawn koha
10:19 cait         true, probably needs to switch to dom too
10:19 drojf        or you run into problems. some of which can be fixed
10:19 cait         if not frm nozebra to zebra :)
10:20 itsallonfire It's really odd.  If I try to browse to it, the server takes me to the phpMyAdmin login page.  If I try to log in to that, it takes me to a 404 koha page.
10:20 drojf        there was nozebra still in 3.04? :)
10:20 Joubu        but if the issue is that some files have been deleted (??), git should be able to restore them
10:20 itsallonfire Pretty sure it uses zebra.
10:20 drojf        that sounds like your apache is confused
10:20 itsallonfire As I have to run some command to rebuild it occasionally.
10:20 cait         ah ok
10:21 cait         i think if the db is not compromised... you will be fine in the end
10:21 Joubu        dump it now :)
10:21 drojf        yes we are curious :D
10:21 itsallonfire I have dumps of both the koha and kohadata databases.
10:22 cait         hm
10:22 cait         there should only be one
10:22 itsallonfire fair enough.
10:22 itsallonfire I imagine one was an old test then
10:22 cait         yeah, that could be
10:23 Francesca    @wunder wlf
10:23 huginn`      Francesca: Error: No such location could be found.
10:23 Francesca    @wunder wlg
10:23 huginn`      Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (10:00 PM NZST on September 16, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
10:23 * cait       hands over to drojf ;)
10:23 cait         and Joubu
10:24 cait         i have to take care of an acq migration data mappig now... *sigh*
10:24 drojf        i have to leave in a minute. just looking if i find notes on what i had to do with the sql of an old installation
10:24 drojf        i may lurk on the phone if irc works there ;)
10:25 Francesca    and i have an essay to write
10:25 Francesca    not that I'd be able to help much with this problem anyways
10:25 Francesca    but still
10:25 Francesca    essays
10:26 drojf        itsallonfire: what version of mysql are you on? 5.x?
10:27 drojf        my notes were for installing koha 2.2.6 on wheezy :D dealing with the switch to mysql 5.x
10:27 drojf        i think that won't be necessary
10:27 itsallonfire 5.1.54
10:27 drojf        ok
10:27 drojf        that should work
10:27 itsallonfire it's running on ubuntu 11.04
10:28 itsallonfire This whole thing is ancient...
10:28 drojf        that could use an upgrade too
10:28 drojf        indeed ;)
10:28 drojf        not sure how well recent koha works on 11.04
10:29 Joubu        Check the hardware before upgrading everything
10:30 drojf        probably do a test installation in either latest ubuntu LTS or debian wheezy/jessie
10:30 itsallonfire I could always spin up a new virtual server, bung a new linux install on it.
10:30 drojf        i'd recommend that to try the db/test the upgrade
10:31 drojf        later #koha
10:32 itsallonfire Righto, I'll give that a bash and report back.  Cheers everyone. :)
10:34 drojf        seems to work
10:34 drojf        irc on the phone that is
10:35 itsallonfire Brucey bonus.
10:37 cait         bbl
10:53 itsallonfire Hmm...  With my various proddings, I appear to have coaxed it back to life.
10:54 itsallonfire I'm still going to carry on with the test server and the new version.  Because frankly I could do with knowing more about it.
10:54 itsallonfire And I don't trust it! ;)
11:05 drojf        what did you do to reanimate it?
11:05 Joubu        cardiac massage certainly
11:10 itsallonfire I wish I knew.
11:11 itsallonfire After a couple of attempts, I started getting the koha login screen instead of the phpMySql one.  The patrons were all there, but I couldn't search the catalogue.
11:12 itsallonfire That happens sometimes, and I run "perl rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a" which didn't do the trick on this occasion.
11:12 itsallonfire So I switched it off and on again. ;)
11:13 itsallonfire I may have also threatened the server with the special hammer I keep in there.
11:36 cait         hm -z
11:36 cait         you shoudln#t need to run that if it was set up correctly
11:37 cait         it means only reindexing the newly changed records since yur last index time... which hsould be automated
11:56 cait         itsallonfire: if you reinstall koha for testing, make sure you install the packages
11:56 cait         packages?
11:56 wahanui      well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:56 cait         itsallonfire: it will make everything in the future easier
11:59 drojf        time to close the vote, right cait?
12:00 drojf        in a minute
12:00 drojf        now?
12:00 wahanui      hey now now, sing this corrosion to me
12:01 * magnuse    cheers drojf on
12:03 Joubu        wait! I forgot to vote several times!
12:03 drojf        bad internet, deactivated
12:03 drojf        lol
12:04 cait         close the vote!
12:04 cait         all the votes!
12:04 cait         i missed my moment... right?
12:13 magnuse      heh, in wavemon, if you press f8 for help, it just says "don't panic" in friendly letters
12:13 misilot      how do I check in an issue? I feel like I am missing it somewhere
12:14 misilot      or receive*
12:14 marcelr      hi #koha
12:15 marcelr      drojf++ Joubu++ # 14321
12:27 cait         :)
13:03 tcohen       morning
13:04 magnuse      ¡hola tcohen!
13:04 tcohen       hi magnuse
13:05 tcohen       hi Joubu
13:06 Joubu        hi tcohen
13:07 * cait       waves
13:07 tcohen       Joubu: it seems you are back :-D
13:07 * tcohen     is staring at his queue
13:10 tcohen       Joubu: would you prefer to add the option to include items at a set-level?
13:10 cait         sounds cryptic
13:12 Joubu        tcohen: where? In the conf file?
13:13 Joubu        tcohen: What I understood from the discussion was it is better to put it in the conf file
13:13 marcelr      hi tcohen magnuse Joubu cait and others
13:13 Joubu        we cannot do it in the conf file for set-level
13:13 Joubu        tcohen: it could be added later if needed by someone
13:14 Joubu        the config file would contain the default value, which could be overwritten by the set-level
13:24 cait         i think oai works totally without sets too, doesn't it? so sets are optional?
13:27 tcohen       we shouldn't ask for a yaml file, but for yaml content on the syspref
13:30 Joubu        yes, defo
13:32 magnuse      cait: yup
13:41 tcohen       Joubu, marcelr: 14197 definitely fixes the warn, but do we need to handle the transaction inside testbuilder?
13:41 Joubu        Since we only use it for tests, I'd say yes
13:42 Joubu        Actually it should be moved to DataBuilder or something, and TestBuilder would use it and handle the transaction
13:42 tcohen       Joubu: but is always superseded by the test file's transaction handling
13:43 marcelr      not always?
13:43 tcohen       i'm pushing it, but we could consider just removing it
13:43 tcohen       once you write that refactoring you've just volunteered to :-P
13:43 marcelr      you could just depend on testbuilder for the transaction?
13:56 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13622: [QA Follow-up] Add unit test descriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72d9c28bbf2b715fddc684fbb4a8b79c27a9fa49> / Bug 13622: Display a datetime without time in a notice <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cef7cd40ce5b2fe1505245cf232d4338b10eba3e> / Bug 14813: Fix encoding issues on editing help pages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.g
14:06 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14640: 'Cancel Hold' check box on check-out confirmation does not cancel the... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a37b3bb7f76b5ddea7400f5268c592c0cc578a8c> / Bug 14640: Add tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=10820de380695f90fd544b40b52682efcf83a962> / Bug 10005: Inventory - Add an option to not check in items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh
14:24 marcelr      Failed test 'use Koha::Sitemapper;'
14:46 tcohen       unimarc author?
14:56 cait         marcelr: nice feature - the reminder notices
14:56 marcelr      yes it is
14:57 cait         marcelr++
15:02 tcohen       Joubu: do u have a UNIMARC testing env?
15:11 Joubu        yes of course :)
15:15 cait         hm is there a possibility to send separate DUEDGST for each branch?
15:16 cait         all items of one brnach in one notice? and another for the next branch?
15:16 cait         what i currently see is that koha uses tha patron home library and includes all items fromall branches in the notice
15:20 drojf        we're going to greece :)
15:20 drojf        at least i hope i'm going :D
15:21 cait         successful_decision_making++ :)
15:22 cait         and drojf++ for runnign the vote
15:24 tcohen       marcelr: where did u get that error?
15:25 marcelr      it is in the jenkins logs
15:25 tcohen       ah
15:25 tcohen       that was on the 12.04+mariadb node
15:25 tcohen       problem solved: i deleted the node
15:25 tcohen       :-P
15:26 tcohen       no, seriously, there was a missing dependency for the tests
15:28 drojf        can we go to greece now? i bet its warmer
15:28 drojf        @wunder thessaloniki
15:28 huginn`      drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 28.0°C (6:20 PM EEST on September 16, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
15:28 drojf        want
15:29 barton       tcohen: I have a question about some zebra indexes that one of our partner wants to add -- I'd like to know if I can get them into community, or whether I should simply make them custom changes for the library...
15:29 tcohen       that's a fair question, what are those indexes?
15:29 marcelr      greece++
15:29 marcelr      nice in may or june :)
15:29 barton       they want to extend ISSN to include $x for 770, 775, 780, 785, and extend ISBN to include $z for 770, 775, 780, 785
15:30 marcelr      have to go
15:32 Joubu        "Category MY_CAT is in use.  Deletion not possible!", and you get a big button "Delete this category"... hum..
15:32 tcohen       barton: I think it makes sense, but maybe ask on the list
15:32 barton       dev list?
15:32 tcohen       yeap
15:32 * Joubu      wants to click
15:32 barton       ok. I'll do that. thanks.
15:33 tcohen       Joubu: don't!
15:33 cait         barton: not sure that's a good idea
15:33 tcohen       you never push a big red button
15:34 cait         barton: I think the 7xx are linking fields
15:34 Joubu        Well, just got an error :)
15:34 cait         if you put them in the same index as issn/isbn - wouldn't that throw off the matching on issn/isbn for imports?
15:35 cait         i am not sure if the matching only checks the index or also if the value is in a specific field - joy might now
15:35 barton       cait. good point.
15:35 tcohen       cait: the field
15:35 wahanui      the field is mandatory or not
15:35 barton       talljoy ^^
15:35 cait         also an isbn search would find all records linked to it - it woudl be quite unspecific in some cases
15:36 cait         maybe a new index?
15:36 cait         not sure about their use case
15:36 cait         not against indexig it in genral... just not sure about rusing the existing indexes, it might make them 'fuzzy'
15:36 talljoy      we are talking about the obscure isbn index on 7xx
15:36 Joubu        (it just check a variable that is used in ... another script, c/p is baaad!)
15:37 talljoy      that's a good question about the match.
15:37 barton       talljoy -- yeah, the question is whether it would affect record matching. any ideas?
15:37 cait         hm wonder if this could be handles similar to 001/$w
15:37 barton       jinkx.
15:37 cait         we have Control-number index for 001 - but the $w that are used with the 001 number for linking are in rcn - record-control-number I think
15:37 talljoy      i think....it checks the specified tag in the incoming record against the entire index.  so you could match an 'unmatchable' record if the isbn was in 7xx tag
15:38 talljoy      in the database
15:38 cait         hm that's what i thought, but was not sure
15:38 barton       Yeah... I also wonder about ISBN normalization, come to think of it...
15:39 talljoy      i think the match checks would help here, but I've never gotten 'match checks' to work on import.
15:40 barton       Ok, so at this point, I'm feeling like if we want to add these to separate indexes, we're ok, but adding them to the existing indexes would be messy.
15:40 cait         barton: did they specify what they want to do ? :)
15:40 * cait       tends to agree
15:42 barton       cait: I'm not *really* sure what they're using thos indexes for... I think that they just happen to have ISBNs/ISSNs in the 7XX range tht they want to search on.
15:57 cait         @marc 750
15:57 huginn`      cait: unknown tag 750
15:57 cait         @marc 770
15:57 huginn`      cait: Information concerning the supplement or special issue associated with the target item but cataloged and/or input as a separate record (vertical relationship). When a note is generated from this field, the introductory phrase Has supplement: may be generated based on the field tag for display. (Repeatable) [b,c,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,6,7,8]
16:05 Joubu        Should we expect 1000 Koha users for the KohaCon16??
16:05 cait         was wondering something similar earlier
16:05 cait         could be the biggest one so far :)
16:06 cait         well you never know
16:14 drojf        how many came to reno?
16:15 drojf        i think they had ~400 voted?
16:16 drojf        votes
16:17 drojf        anyway i hope they have a huge university :D
16:34 Joubu        (and good beers)
16:34 Joubu        Have a good evening #koha!
16:36 lari         Joubu, bug 12426, sorry I didn't find the trailing whitespaces (i didnt get any complaints either)?
16:36 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12426 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larit, Needs Signoff , Allow resending of emails from the notices tab in the patron account
16:39 lari         cait, pending messages are excluded from resend in the notices table. would you like to have it in the ResendMessage() subroutine as well?
16:40 cait         hm it might make sense - it wouldn't change something, right?
16:40 cait         timestamp maybe, but that is not used anywhere it hink
16:42 lari         it shouldnt change anything
16:43 cait         because updating pending to pending... :)
16:44 nitz0        hi everybody
16:44 cait         hi nitz0
16:44 nitz0        hi cait
16:45 lari         yeah, pointless 2 queries ^^
16:45 lari         actually just one since we need to get the message anyway, but still :)
16:50 lari         okay it's there :) have a great evening, bye!
16:53 cait         bye :)
18:10 * magnuse    waves to nengard
18:12 * nengard    waves back
18:16 magnuse      anyone know if there are tools for translating .po files that run on windows? like poedit or lokalize?
18:25 cdickinson   magnuse: poedit is available on Windows - https://poedit.net/download
18:26 tmcmahon     magnuse: I haven't tried any, but poedit and others are listed here: http://alternativeto.net/software/better-po-editor/
18:43 magnuse      thanks cdickinson and tmcmahon
20:59 Francesca    good morning
20:59 wahanui      the only good morning is a dead one
21:00 wnickc       gloomy wahanui
21:05 cait         hi Francesca and wnickc :)
21:05 Francesca    hey cait :)
21:06 wnickc       hi cait
22:32 wizzyrea     hi
22:37 eythian      hi
22:47 Francesca    hey wizzyrea, eythian