Time  Nick        Message
00:00 dcook       I actually wanted to use a gender neutral word, but I don't know enough Spanish...
00:01 dcook       @later tell eythian That's awesome. I really need to book tickets and stuff for OSDC...
00:01 huginn      dcook: The operation succeeded.
00:01 wizzyrea    gente
00:01 dcook       wizzyrea: gracias :D
00:01 wizzyrea    súbditos
00:01 dcook       That's funny as the French equivalent would be "gens" I guess
00:01 wizzyrea    it's like "folk"
00:02 dcook       Folk has to be one of my favourite words ever
00:02 wizzyrea    gentes, probably
00:02 wizzyrea    habitantes, also probably ok
00:02 dcook       hehe
00:02 dcook       I like that
00:02 wizzyrea    which is like, population, people
00:02 dcook       habitantes of #koha :D
00:02 wizzyrea    we should ask tcohen ^.^
00:02 dcook       How does one use "of" in Spanish?
00:02 eythian     dcook: me too
00:03 dcook       de in French... di in Italian?
00:03 dcook       da?
00:03 * dcook     lives in an Italian suburb... he should really learn Italian..
00:03 wizzyrea    los maybe?
00:03 dcook       Wouldn't that be a definite article?
00:03 wizzyrea    yes. duh.
00:03 wizzyrea    ah yea de
00:03 wizzyrea    it's been ages since I thought about spanish
00:04 dcook       los habitantes de #koha?
00:04 wizzyrea    ^
00:04 wizzyrea    close as I can get you
00:04 wizzyrea    :)
00:04 dcook       I think about French all the time, especially when my family post photos of commercial packaging which contains both French and English labels :(
00:04 * dcook     gets sad over this
00:04 dcook       thanks, wizzyrea :D
00:04 * dcook     isn't so keen on the unilingual packaging here
00:04 eythian     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVYvbd8PD-Q <-- dcook
00:04 dcook       One reason why I love going to the "international" section at the grocery store
00:05 dcook       Donde Esta La Pollo... is that like... Turkey is the chicken?
00:05 dcook       Ahh "Where's"
00:05 dcook       Dinde is French for turkey... I figured maybe..
00:05 pianohacker hahahahahahaha
00:06 dcook       eythian: Where do you find this stuff? :p
00:06 eythian     it's a classic NZ band
00:06 * dcook     puts Portishead back on
00:06 dcook       Ahh
00:06 dcook       [off] This is my favourite Canadian video these days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKSjCli_ym4
00:08 eythian     https://youtu.be/DuGGNsE3_8Y <-- dcook, I just assumed this was you
00:08 dcook       eythian: It's actually surprisingly accurate
00:08 * dcook     used to sail a boat on the Saskatchewan river
00:08 dcook       True fact
00:08 eythian     stealing wheat and barley and all the other grains?
00:09 dcook       Nah, mostly we just ate meat and cheese and enjoyed the sun
00:09 dcook       Except on the stormy days, but then it was mostly trying to not drown when you're nearly horizontal
00:09 dcook       We already had our own wheat and barley back at the farm :p
00:10 dcook       This song never gets old
00:10 eythian     it doesn't
00:10 dcook       Hehe. I don't know if I ever noticed the matey/metis line :p
00:12 dcook       All right. While I'm distracted, I should see that latest political video...
00:12 dcook       [off] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei50lM6ab1c
00:13 eythian     at least your're not in Austral....oh wait
00:13 dcook       Yeah...
00:14 dcook       Technically, I could live and work in New Zealand :p
00:14 pianohacker phew, that was the most time I've spent working on rancor in ages
00:14 dcook       pianohacker++
00:14 pianohacker marc--
00:14 dcook       pianohacker: Juggling a few projects, I'm guessing?
00:14 dcook       You're done your masters now, yeah?
00:14 pianohacker yes, finished in may and they'll give me the silly paper in december
00:15 dcook       \o/
00:15 pianohacker dcook: been working on a large variety of projects, but not much time on rancor (though that's soon to change)
00:15 pianohacker wnickc: just posted a followup you may be interested in on bug 11559
00:15 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, In Discussion , Professional cataloger's interface
00:16 pianohacker dcook: there's a circ rules editor/backend revamp Kyle and I will be posting an RFC for soon :)
00:16 pianohacker dcook: what have you been up to?
00:17 dcook       pianohacker: nice one!
00:17 dcook       Oh man...
00:18 dcook       Splitting my time between a non-Koha project, the OAI-PMH harvester, and then regular Koha stuff like support/setups/etc
00:18 dcook       I don't know how I've actually managed to stay sane :p
00:18 pianohacker I know the feeling :)
00:18 pianohacker what's the non-Koha project?
00:21 dcook       Nothing too exciting. A legacy app that I keep chugging along, but it eats up time.
00:21 pianohacker yeah...
00:22 dcook       I'm kind of hoping that there will come a time after I'm done that project and the harvester where I can just focus on regular Koha stuff again
00:22 dcook       Test patches, upstream patches, have slow days... haha
00:22 * dcook     misses slow days
00:37 pianohacker all right, it's errands/dinner time
00:37 pianohacker bye all!
01:08 BobB        flaky internet here today
01:09 dcook       Interesting.. my wifi has been playing up but ethernet is all right
01:19 BobB        opposite for us
01:20 dcook       Just noticed this out of the corner of my eye when looking through our local bug tracker:
01:20 dcook       "The sex of patrons..."
01:20 dcook       For a second, I thought the librarians might be giving out too much information :p
01:21 dcook       Actually that probably still works regardless of how you fill in that ellipsis..
06:02 dcook       eythian: Just had one of those lovely moments where you have an error for a package but it's so deeply buried that you have no hope in finding it..
06:02 * dcook     guesses he'll start looking through every reference he has to DateTime..
06:04 dcook       Well not really... just going to start inserting test strings until I find where it's dying..
06:06 dcook       Ahh
06:06 dcook       Had written "time" instead of "$time"
06:21 * magnuse   waves
06:28 magnuse     community++ cait++ for a good gbsd!
06:32 reiveune    hello
06:32 wahanui     hola, reiveune
06:37 * dcook     waves
06:49 * magnuse   shouts ncip! ncip! ncip!
06:51 * Francesca waves
06:58 alex_a      bonjour
06:58 wahanui     what's up, alex_a
06:59 irma        I hear shouting all the way from the far north ...magnuse, is that you? What is so exciting about ncpi?
07:00 Joubu       good morning
07:00 wahanui     well, it's morning somewhere, yes
07:00 magnuse     irma: not exciting at all, just something i gotta get done
07:00 magnuse     preferably today
07:00 magnuse     bonjour alex_a Joubu
07:01 alex_a_     salut magnuse
07:05 irma        sounds interesting magnuse :) I am sending you a virtual lunch box with VEGEMITE sandwiches so you don't need to stop for lunch. Does that help?
07:07 Joubu       I am sure he will need a break :)
07:11 magnuse     thanks irma!
07:12 magnuse     but yeah, there will be breaks
07:12 * magnuse   usually walks the dog for half an hour before lunch
07:23 magnuse     bonjour cait sophie_m
07:23 sophie_m    hi magnuse and #koha
07:23 cait        hi all
07:24 gaetan_B    hello
07:29 Joubu       hum, bug 14293 seems a bit bad, could someone confirm?
07:29 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14293 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Error in the calculation of the suspension of users per day
07:30 Joubu       Looking at the code, yes it's broken. But I am surprised that nobody raised this problem before.
07:30 Joubu       It would exist in > 3.18
07:46 * andreashm waves
07:47 magnuse     tjänare andreashm
07:47 andreashm   hej magnuse
08:07 Joubu       pianohacker: around?
08:07 cait        Joubu: around? :)
08:07 * cait      waves
08:07 Joubu       hello cait
08:07 cait        about the barcode bug
08:07 cait        i tested in master without the patch for another barcode pattern -s ame results - but I didn't test in an earlier version
08:08 cait        doy ou mean it used to generate the next number in older versions for multiple items?
08:08 Joubu       cait: I want to know because if it's a regression I can try and fix it
08:08 cait        i can test in a 3.18 if you give me amoment -we don't have libraries using the autobarcode
08:08 Joubu       yes ofc
08:08 cait        did you see my other comment on the on-site checkouts?
08:09 Joubu       not yet
08:09 cait        I failed to file a bug for it - but i think we should make on-site visible somewhere in the patron account
08:09 cait        it only shows in the reading history, but no indicator on the current checkouts
08:10 Joubu       cait: something else: pianohacker added a note on the column visibility for items bug: "that this development does not allow applying default settings to subfields that aren't mapped."
08:10 Joubu       But the table already only displays the mapped fields
08:10 Joubu       or I missed something
08:10 cait        not sure i understand his comment
08:10 cait        ah
08:10 cait        i think what he means is having default columns visibulitiy in the columns settings?
08:11 cait        not the defaults for the subfields
08:11 cait        would that make sense?
08:11 Joubu       ha maybe
08:11 cait        in the columns administration
08:13 cait        hm it appears to be broken in 3.18.8 as well .. the homebranch barcode
08:13 cait        testing another
08:13 cait        it generates the same number all over
08:14 cait        but i agree... i kind of wonder if that has worked in older verseions
08:14 cait        but probably earlier than 3.18 then?
08:15 cait        bug 8425
08:15 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8425 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Autobarcode generates duplicate barcodes with AcqCreateItems = on order
08:17 cait        from 2012
08:17 cait        there is also bug 10890
08:17 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10890 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Autobarcode "<branch>yymm00001" Fails in Acquisitions When Receiving Item
08:17 cait        and bug 8684
08:17 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8684 major, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Duplicate check for creating items on order broken
08:19 Joubu       hum ok, will have a look again... but I think 8684 fixes a bug on the check for an existing item, not the one create in the same round
08:20 Joubu       cait: something else... sorry! But have you seen my previous comment here about bug 14293?
08:20 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14293 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Error in the calculation of the suspension of users per day
08:22 cait        is this the correct bug?
08:22 Joubu       yes
08:23 Joubu       cait: ha but... for the barcode, the issue is on additem or neworderempty?
08:23 cait        neworderempty
08:23 wahanui     somebody said neworderempty was really slow.
08:23 cait        becuase of ajax
08:23 Joubu       ha! ok that's a regression then
08:23 cait        we don't write the barcode generated back to the database
08:23 cait        so creating multiple it always creates the same
08:24 cait        there is no comment from you on the bug :)
08:24 cait        i think it's a duplicate
08:24 cait        i have seen another this morning
08:25 cait        bug 13909
08:25 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13909 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Suspension days calculation doesn't honour finesCalendar
08:26 cait        hm no
08:26 Joubu       the barcode stuff is not a regression, it has never worked I am almost sure
08:27 cait        oh, comment on irc
08:27 cait        Joubu: yeah, it hink so too
08:27 cait        sadly :)
08:29 andreashm   missed GBSD yesterday. So I signed off a bug today instead. Or so I thought, but I get an error message (status=200) when I try to attach it. =(
08:29 cait        Joubu: bug 13909 related
08:29 cait        ?
08:29 cait        andreashm: which bug?
08:29 andreashm   I probably messed up somewhere. As usual. =9
08:29 cait        ah
08:29 andreashm   bug 14726
08:29 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14726 minor, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Signed Off , Title not showing up on checkout summary
08:29 cait        you might have to update your git bz
08:30 cait        is there a git bz repository in your dev environment?
08:30 cait        ine is in home/katrin... but not sure how the dev env is set up
08:30 andreashm   I'm using using kohadevbox
08:30 cait        magnuse: ? :)
08:30 cait        can you check if there is a git-bz in your home directory of the user?
08:31 andreashm   I get git bz to work, I could apply the path. but not attaching it to sign off
08:31 cait        andreashm: it still counts
08:31 Joubu       cait: yes, they opened 14293 some months ago and commented on 13909 yesterday.
08:31 cait        you got 1.20 left or so of gbsd :)
08:32 cait        andreashm: i was thinking maybe it's a problem iwth the auth
08:32 cait        the error is usually hidden somehwere in the 200 html you get back
08:32 magnuse     andreashm: could it be a timeout?
08:32 andreashm   I got a timeout error first, and then tried redoing it
08:32 cait        hm try attaching it without the -e
08:32 andreashm   then got the status 200 error
08:33 andreashm   ok, trying without the e
08:33 andreashm   it seemed to work
08:33 andreashm   maybe?
08:33 wahanui     i think maybe is a momentaneous error
08:34 mveron      Hi #koha
08:34 andreashm   a yes, at least bugzilla got updated
08:34 andreashm   well, I'm off to a meeting now. time to talk Koha to a new co-worker (developer)!
08:35 mveron      @wunder Allschwil
08:35 huginn      mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 18.0°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
09:06 Joubu       @later tell tcohen please make jenkins execute ALL tests in t!
09:06 huginn      Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:06 Joubu       @later tell t/db_dependent/Circulation/IssuingRules/maxsuspensiondays.t is not! And it fails!
09:06 huginn      Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:07 Joubu       oops
09:07 Joubu       :)
09:07 cait        heh
09:07 cait        happens to me all the time....
09:08 Joubu       oops again, the test pass... Wrong DB
09:08 Joubu       @later tell tcohen ok forget that ;)
09:08 huginn      Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:11 cait        @wunder Konstanz
09:11 huginn      cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
09:11 magnuse     @wunder boo
09:11 huginn      magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 9.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
09:39 drojf       hi #koha
09:43 magnuse     moin drojf
09:43 drojf       hei magnuse
09:52 * cait      waves and wanders off for lunch
09:56 * magnuse   too
10:51 drojf       @wunder berlin, germany
10:51 huginn      drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 18.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
11:38 * andreashm waves
11:43 drojf       hi andreashm
12:08 cait        hi tcohen :)
12:09 tcohen      hi there
12:09 wahanui     privet, tcohen
12:10 tcohen      hi cait Joubu marcelr
12:10 cait        tcohen: are you grumpy with us?
12:10 tcohen      why us that?
12:10 tcohen      s/u/i/
12:10 cait        because picking the three of us who were involved with the bug :)
12:11 tcohen      ah, just a coincidence :-D
12:11 tcohen      you and Joubu, lots of stuff to talk about, and marcelr, about the Upload things
12:12 tcohen      not grumpy at all!
12:12 Joubu       "the bug" ?
12:13 tcohen      did anyone had the chance to test the revamped kohadevbox?
12:14 cait        hm drojf left already - i thought he might have
12:19 andreashm_  cait: was it you (your coworker) or was it Catalyst who made interesting things with (private) reports, for system integration? Can't remember what we said.
12:21 tcohen      andreashm_: public reports maybe?
12:24 tcohen      @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:24 huginn      tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 11.6°C (9:20 AM ART on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
12:30 xarragon    when adding a new page to the opac.. does the template go under 'prog' or 'bootstrap'.. or are they overlapping?
12:30 andreashm_  tcohen: yeah we talked about that too. But cait said that perhaps it was possible with private reports too somehow.
12:31 andreashm_  if I remember correctly.
12:31 tcohen      xarragon: it depends on the theme you are using, and 'prog' has been removed from Koha a while back
12:32 cait        oh
12:32 cait        reading back
12:33 cait        andreashm_: i can show you something, a sec
12:33 andreashm_  cait: thanks
12:35 xarragon    tcohen: yes, I saw a bug ticket from ölate 2014 which generated the same errors
12:37 xarragon    tcohen: so when I add a new opac part, I need to add one part/template for each theme then?
12:38 tcohen      xarragon: is it for in-house use or for commiting it to trunk?
12:38 tcohen      if it is the latter, you need to provide for each theme, but hey, we only have bootstrap :-D
12:42 drojf       tcohen: had to sleep yesterday, could not test anymore. but i don't feel like catching the flu anymore
12:42 drojf       so i will give it a try later
12:42 xarragon    tcohen: latter
12:44 lari        Joubu, in bug 12426, you suggested a new subroutine instead of directly changing the message status in notices.pl. Would this subroutine basically have the same functionality as my patch, to set the status of message into 'pending' so that it will be processed later?
12:44 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12426 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larit, Signed Off , Allow resending of emails from the notices tab in the patron account
12:44 tcohen      drojf: I managed to solve all the small glitches
12:45 tcohen      jessie is not working due to that silly missing dependency
12:45 tcohen      i mean silly because that dep is not mandatory!
12:46 drojf       how is the plan with the apache 2.4 requirement? is that going to stay? that would mean we have no real support for wheezya anymore?
12:46 drojf       *wheezy
12:46 tcohen      drojf: only if you want to the plack integration
12:46 tcohen      *to use
12:47 drojf       once that is working,everybody will want to use it
12:47 tcohen      wheezy is fully supported, if you enable plack using koha-plack --enable
12:47 tcohen      it won't actually use it right now (the apache config tests for the right version)
12:48 drojf       fully supported but placknot working you mean?
12:48 tcohen      drojf: yes, exactly
12:48 drojf       i would not call it fully supported then :P
12:48 tcohen      we will provide instructions for installing the backports
12:48 drojf       more like "we left the cool stuff out but if you dont want that" :P
12:49 drojf       but there are no backports for 32bit
12:49 drojf       no idea how the official backports work, if it is expected to see apache 2.4 there
12:50 Joubu       lari: I just suggested to move the code you introduced into a C4::Letters subroutine
12:50 drojf       that may be a liw question
12:50 Joubu       to make it covered by tests
12:50 * liw       has been summoned
12:51 Joubu       lari: especially because _set_message_status shouldn't be called outside of C4::Letters
12:51 tcohen      liw: do u know if there are apache 2.4 backports for wheezy?
12:51 drojf       hi liw :)
12:51 tcohen      (official backports)
12:52 drojf       more like, do you know if it's likely there will be
12:52 * xarragon  regrets giving up coffee, almost falling asleep
12:52 drojf       don't think there are any as of yet
12:53 mveron      Hi again #koha
12:53 liw         tcohen, drojf: I can't see apache2 in wheezy-backports on https://packages.debian.org/ using the package search, or using the rmadision tool from the devscripts Debian package
12:53 lari        Joubu, ok, thanks for your input, i agree
12:54 tcohen      drojf: so wheezy is supported, but you will miss some new cool stuff, unless you pick the un-official backports
12:54 drojf       tcohen: or unless you use 32bit
12:54 * tcohen    nods
12:54 drojf       so i would call that unsupported. or vaguely supported
12:54 lari        Joubu, it will be useful for my other work as well, I'm planning to create cronjob to automatically resend failed sms messages
12:55 lari        we have been having lots of failed ones past days, it's annoying to manually run a query on them
12:55 drojf       liw: but do you think it will get there eventually? how is decided what goes in there?
12:55 tcohen      drojf: i respectfully disagree, right now it is an experimental feature that needs some user intervention to work
12:55 tcohen      maybe we find a better solution before the release
12:56 liw         drojf, a) a Debian developer decides a backport would be useful b) they port the version from Debian's testing suite to the target version (wheezy) and c) they upload it to wheezy-backports d) if it is a new package, it needs the backports guardians to approve it e) after that (or if no approval needed) it goes into wheezy-backports
12:56 drojf       tcohen: right, it is not ready for productive use as far as i know (at the staff side)
12:57 tcohen      drojf: the only problem is syspref caching, which is disabled in the shipped configuration :-D
12:57 drojf       tcohen: but i think we all hope it will be soon
12:57 drojf       liw: thanks
12:58 tcohen      with this packages integration + a suitable kohadevbox that makes using it trivial, we will get broader testing, and eventually fix the remaining issues
12:58 liw         drojf, I note that backporting something big like Apache is potentially a lot of work, though, which reduceds its likelihood
12:58 drojf       liw: yes, i can imagine
12:58 tcohen      before this, only some sysadmin/dev gurus had the chance to try it
12:58 tcohen      liw: thanks
12:59 liw         (those who would like to increase the likelihood should offer money to the people able to help make it happen, or encourage themselves or their employees to do it and become Debian developers, which is not at all as scary as rumour has it)
12:59 tcohen      drojf: BTW: we should just drop support for apache in favour of nginx which wouldn't have caused this integration issues
12:59 drojf       i think we had full support for squeeze until jessie was released, so it would be nice to not abandon wheezy too fast
13:00 liw         there is a Debian LTS project provide support to (some of) wheezy for several years
13:01 drojf       let's say eythian has to do it
13:01 drojf       :P
13:03 tcohen      heh
13:03 tcohen      eythian++
13:03 drojf       eythian++
13:03 drojf       look he got increased, now he has to do it
13:03 liw         poor eythian, who innocently participated in a short Debian packaging tutorial on my last day at Catalyst
13:03 tcohen      drojf: we need people testing this, and solutions should come up
13:04 * mveron    waves to cait and drojf
13:04 drojf       his karma that is
13:04 drojf       hi mveron
13:05 mveron      hi drojf :-)
13:05 cait        drojf: is 32 somethign that is still widely used?
13:05 cait        serious question, i don't know much about these kind of things :)
13:05 hecki       http://spiritualwarfare666.webs.com/Satans_Library.htm
13:05 drojf       cait: i don't know really
13:06 drojf       oh look, irc spam
13:07 andreashm_  haha
13:08 liw         32-bit Intel servers are still plentiful; a number of virtual machine hosting places offer 32-bit only, to save a little bit on memory
13:08 liw         but it's going away
13:09 cait        but hey... it is a about a library...
13:09 cait        as Koha still works perfectly fine without it... for me it's not a hard condition or 'non-full supported'
13:10 cait        i hope that made sense
13:12 drojf       [off] i should team up with the other paul and fight for full wheezy support, but he's probably still on something much older
13:13 cait        3.8
13:13 cait        [off] which is apparently fairly recent... :)
13:14 drojf       [off] on lenny or some ancient ubuntu? :P
13:24 tcohen      i won't put 'Wheezy not fully supported' on the release notes :-D
13:25 tcohen      sorry, i intended to write :-P
13:38 magnuse     have fun #koha!
14:11 lari        mveron, thanks for noticing! I would had forgotten :)
14:12 mveron      lari: Welcome :-)
14:31 Joubu       lari: much more better thanks!
14:32 Joubu       lari: just a note: maybe the routine should return 1 if the msg has been resent, otherwise 0. Don't you think?
14:32 Joubu       even return;
14:33 Joubu       lari: maybe just return _set_msg_status($params);
14:36 lari        Yeah in fact I had it returning 1 and 0 a while ago, not really sure what made me change it to message_id :)
14:40 lari        doesn't _set_message_status return 0 but true on cases where no rows were affected? would it be best to  simply return 1 or 0 from ResendMessage
14:54 lari        Joubu, I made it return 1 on resent, and 0 otherwise. Thanks for feedback :)
14:57 Joubu       perfect!
14:57 wahanui     rumour has it perfect is the enemy of good
15:02 tcohen      hi Joubu
15:03 Joubu       tcohen: hi
15:09 Joubu       Have to run, I will be afk for a week! bye #koha
15:10 ashimema    enjoy your week Joubu
15:15 reiveune    bye
15:26 tcohen      bye Joubu !
15:26 tcohen      hi ashimema
15:27 ashimema    evening
15:28 cait        hi ashimema
15:28 cait        Joubu: don't leave us.... :)
15:28 cait        Joubu: have a good week!
15:43 drojf       tcohen: what is the idea behind start and enable plack? or, why would i want to start the plack daemon but not enable plack use?
15:44 tcohen      it won't start if it is not enabled
15:44 tcohen      ah. no, it starts
15:45 tcohen      you might want to run it for whatever reason
15:45 tcohen      we do the same with SIP, zebra, etc
15:45 drojf       we can disable zebra?
15:45 tcohen      the init script won't start plack otoh
15:45 drojf       i wonder what happens then :D
15:46 tcohen      sip, think of SIP :-D
15:47 tcohen      with zebra it is not the same situation: you might disable the instance at all, but want to run zebra for testing/debugging purposes, or to just have the z39.50 server... who knos
15:47 tcohen      knows
15:49 tcohen      so, drojf have you managed to run kohadevbox?
15:50 drojf       have not tried yet, this is a regular installation with a master package
15:50 tcohen      great
15:50 drojf       so when i start plack, it will work on the default port
15:50 drojf       ?
15:50 drojf       just switch?
15:50 tcohen      plack won't run on a tcp port
15:51 tcohen      it is running on a unix socket
15:51 tcohen      and koha-plack --enable <instance>
15:51 tcohen      is uncommenting a line in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/<instance>.conf
15:51 tcohen      on both opac and intranet vhost definitions actually
15:51 tcohen      take a look
15:53 drojf       yes, but that means i had VirtualHost *:8080 before and when i enable plack, i continue to use the staff client at VirtualHost *:8080
15:53 drojf       or not? :)
15:55 tcohen      yes, your vhost definition doesn't change at all (in general terms)
15:55 tcohen      it just looks for the cgi scripts somewhere else
15:57 drojf       yes. i think we used to have starman running on different ports in ancient times, thats why i was asking
15:58 drojf       is there a way to see if you are running plack? maybe an info in the about section would be good for the future
15:59 drojf       a way to see it from inside koha, i mean
16:02 tcohen      drojf: i'm working on taht
16:02 tcohen      on a separate project, though
16:02 drojf       cool
16:02 drojf       tcohen++
16:04 tcohen      drojf: so koha-plack --enable/--disable just uncomments/comments two lines in the apache vhost file
16:04 tcohen      and --start/--stop/--restart, well, you know
16:04 tcohen      the new init script uses a new function
16:04 tcohen      sorry, the new switches koha-foreach and koha-list have
16:04 tcohen      (--plack/--noplack)
16:05 tcohen      to choose to deal with the instance's plack server or not
16:06 tcohen      if you have enabled bash-completion system wide, koha-plack <tab> should show you the available options
16:09 drojf       ok. got to import some data so i have something to use
16:16 drojf       can't stage a marc record
16:17 drojf       Failed to submit form: error
16:17 drojf       with and without plack enabled :D
16:18 tcohen      yay!
16:20 tcohen      do u have a screenshot?
16:22 drojf       mom
16:24 drojf       http://abunchofthings.net/koha/dev/stagingerror.png
16:24 drojf       file upload goes ok, when i click stage for import i get the popup
16:47 drojf       it works on master (git) though
16:53 drojf       and now its all broken. that was fun :)
16:55 drojf       tcohen: after disabling plack, stopping the plack daemon and then manually disabling the relevant lines in the apache conf (because they were still active) i can stage a marc file
16:57 drojf       turning plack back on i cannot
16:59 drojf       tried again and koha-plack --disable was enough to make it work, so that must have been my error before
17:06 kivilahtio_ tcohen: You asked me to discuss Koha::Exception with Joubu, and I created a slide show about our discussion. You can take a look here: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13995
17:06 huginn      04Bug 13995: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Proper Exception handling
17:06 kivilahtio_ attachment "Comparing two Exception::Class approaches"
17:09 kivilahtio_ anyway that is just my 2 cents, I hope we find more angles to this discussion
17:11 cait        oleonard++
17:32 druthb      cait++
17:34 tcohen      ie--
17:35 wnickc      pianohacker: oh, it's not zapping the items, z39.50 from the local catalog creates a new record, I just assumed it edited the existing record
17:38 pianohacker wnickc: it honestly should...
17:40 tcohen      kivilahtio_: nice doc, but maybe a middle road should be considered too
17:40 tcohen      like grouping exceptions by context
17:40 tcohen      in a file
17:51 tcohen      drojf: i reproduced the problem, file upload doesn't seem to work
17:52 drojf       so it took me one minute to find a bug \o/
17:52 drojf       :)
17:55 tcohen      drojf: the whole point is to find them all faster
17:55 tcohen      and fix them
17:55 tcohen      heh
17:56 tcohen      i even think there was a bug filled for that
17:56 tcohen      oh, my queue... damn
17:58 drojf       if plack out of the box support makes it into 3.22 it might do a raspberry pi image for people to play with
17:59 drojf       so i have a reason to play with that again :D
18:01 tcohen      drojf: http://giphy.com/gifs/cpRQzY4VS3V3W
18:01 drojf       hehe
18:05 tcohen      i cannot login to the installer with the DB credentials, with plack :-D
18:08 drojf       i was wondering about that. i only switched to plack after the installer
18:08 drojf       i think i have seen a bug for that
18:08 tcohen      it refuses to log in, it just reload the page
18:09 tcohen      there is this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13805
18:09 huginn      04Bug 13805: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Installer does not work under Plack
18:09 drojf       ah just wanted to post that :)
18:09 tcohen      but the current plack.psgi file does actually include the ->disable_syspref_cache() line
18:09 drojf       hm
18:10 drojf       gotta go shopping now, later
18:10 tcohen      heh
18:10 tcohen      ok
18:11 tcohen      magnuse: what shall we do with the ansible-driven kohadevbox?
18:11 tcohen      new branch?
18:22 tcohen      bye everyone, have a nice weekend
18:27 pianohacker cait: my thought on the 999 was that deleting the 999 entirely is the only way to make sure it's safely re-added; it's not exposed in the basic editor, no?
18:35 bag         pianohacker: it’s not exposed in the basic editor
18:36 pianohacker cait: check C4/Biblio.pm, lines 2947-2958
18:56 cait        people could have used other 999 subfields
18:56 cait        you would kill their data
18:59 cait        pianohacker: ^
19:05 cait        you can't blindly delete fields like you want ;)
19:18 cait        hm
19:24 nengard     cait i think pianohacker left to go teach a class
19:24 nengard     just fyi
19:25 cait        makes sense :)
19:25 cait        thx
20:03 pianohacker cait: I'd kill their data, but so will any other MARC modification in Koha :)
20:03 cait        are we talking about deleting the whole 999
20:04 cait        or only about dleeting the subfields with the ids?
20:04 pianohacker cait: the whole 999, but check the code, Rancor's just doing it earlier :)
20:05 cait        it seems very wrong
20:05 pianohacker I agree
20:06 pianohacker But what is also very wrong is to have multiple 999s, that is a problem that is currently impossible to fix without a script and which confuses many parts of Koha
20:06 pianohacker we've run into this a few times with our partners
20:09 cait        is it not possible to disallow editing 999?
20:09 cait        or better... the 999 subfields
20:09 cait        ?
20:09 cait        don't allow to add edit or delete
20:09 cait        by keeping them out of the editors
20:10 pianohacker I could mark any other subfields besides 999$c as forbidden
20:10 pianohacker having an out-of-band MARC tag makes things a lot more complicated :)
20:11 cait        hm not only c
20:11 cait        biblioitemnumber too?
20:11 pianohacker yeah, $c and $d
20:11 cait        i am still in shock about the 999
20:12 pianohacker cait: yeah, it's quirky the way Koha handles it
20:12 pianohacker I wish it weren't saved to the record (like how item data is handled)
20:13 cait        hm waht about unimarc? i think they store it in 001?
20:14 pianohacker cait: yup. The code uses the mappings
20:14 tcohen      hi
20:15 cait        hmm
20:15 cait        pianohacker: i just tested something
20:15 cait        i added a 999a
20:15 cait        and it stays there when saving and reediting
20:15 cait        so koha doesn't kill it
20:15 pianohacker cait: in a separate tag?
20:16 cait        it might have added another 999 yeah
20:16 cait        looks like it
20:16 wahanui     Can we get some hard data on that?
20:16 pianohacker cait: yeah. Koha only kills the first one in the record (it should kill all of them; multiple 999s mess up the rest of Koha)
20:18 cait        even if they don't have the c and d?
20:18 pianohacker yup
20:20 cait        messy
20:20 pianohacker agreed
20:36 tcohen      cait: hi
20:36 cait        hi tcohen :)
20:52 cait        pianohacker: i guess your approach is... valid then?
20:52 pianohacker cait: unfortunately
20:53 cait        the shock hasn't worn off yet heh
20:53 cait        any plans for the weekend?
20:53 pianohacker cait: celebrating my mom's birthday
20:53 pianohacker bbl :)
20:54 cait        have a good weekend :)
20:57 Kchris      have a good weekend, everyone.