Time  Nick        Message
23:43 cdickinson  alright, I'm off, ciao
23:43 cdickinson  hehe
23:38 Francesca   (this includes work at uni)
23:38 Francesca   cdickinson - no matter how much I get done I always end up bringing stuff home regardless
23:37 cdickinson  silenced by the powers that be
23:37 eythian     we're contractually obliged not to answer that.
23:37 cdickinson  makes me want to ask the pros whether or not the long nights and taking work home ever ends
23:34 Francesca   hahaha ok
23:32 cdickinson  as for general deadness, Francesca, you're talking to ghost_cdickinson in spirit, all the time
23:32 cdickinson  but automating it in XChat is something I don't know how to do yet
23:32 cdickinson  yep, know about it
23:31 * eythian   points out that there is a ghost kill command
23:31 cdickinson  which is too often
23:31 cdickinson  that would be cdickinson when cdickinson_ is here
23:30 Francesca   hey cdickinson if you feel dead, am I now talking to ghost_cdickinson?
23:28 Francesca   hahaha
23:08 cdickinson_ and apparently, so does my nick
23:08 cdickinson_ I feel dead
23:00 Francesca   hi eythian
22:59 Francesca   thats sad wahanui
22:57 wahanui     i heard yeah, that was cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha...
22:57 eythian     yeah, that
22:57 wahanui     the only good morning is a dead one
22:57 eythian     wahanui: good morning
22:55 Francesca   morning
22:45 cait        going to sleep - bye all :)
22:44 cait        :P
22:44 eythian     ah good, I remember having that discussion with someone recently ;)
22:41 cait        i was mostly trying to explain that we can't change existing behaviour :)
22:40 cait        eythian: ok
22:40 eythian     cait: I haven't implemented opacsupression yet, hiddenitems will probably work anyway as its external to the search process.
22:32 eythian     hi
20:14 cait        morning
20:12 rangi       heh
20:12 Dyrcona     doh! wrong key. ;)
20:12 Dyrcona     kia ora, rangi.
20:12 pianohacker hi rangi
20:11 rangi       morning
20:10 pianohacker how are ya?
20:10 pianohacker hi cait :)
19:50 huginn`     cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 20.6°C (9:49 PM CEST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
19:50 cait        @wunder Konstanz
16:59 tcohen      I was using kohadevbox with Debian7.8
16:59 tcohen      the warn worked on the staff interface, but it didn't on the shell
16:58 tcohen      I put it at the beggining of Circultation.pm:AddReturn
16:12 reiveune    bye
16:02 cait        and nothing is int he logs?
16:02 cait        ah sorry, scrolling was broken
16:02 cait        tcohen: where did you put the warn?
15:59 gaetan_B    bye
13:43 tcohen      and cannot get the output
13:42 tcohen      I introduced one in C4::Circultaion for debugging
13:42 tcohen      question: what might prevent 'warn' to print on the screen?
13:38 drojf       hi tcohen
13:35 huginn`     tcohen: Joubu was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 35 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <Joubu> I will be off for the next 2 weeks, see you!
13:35 tcohen      @seen Joubu
13:30 pastebot    "tcohen" at 172.16.248.197 pasted "cait: look" (77 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/17
13:19 tcohen      hi drojf
13:19 tcohen      :-D
13:19 tcohen      hey, let me shrink my queue damn it
13:18 drojf       mveron++ #lots of signoffs
13:14 cait        morning tcohen
13:14 tcohen      morning!
12:56 kivilahtio  man we're rolling!
12:50 liw         cait, I moved a small pebble and it became an avalanche
12:50 cait        liw: but you got the stone rolling :)
12:50 kivilahtio  take care
12:50 kivilahtio  liw: I think travelling is always interesting
12:50 liw         cait, I'd give most of the credit to eythian (and others?) who continue to maintain the packaging
12:50 kivilahtio  haah
12:49 cait        hah, borrowernumber = date loaded.... somehow
12:49 liw         anyway, that's not interesting
12:49 liw         kivilahtio, clarification: we lived abroad for five years, getting married happened years after NZ :)
12:49 kivilahtio  liw: getting married is worth it
12:49 kivilahtio  liw: wow, sounds like a great trip
12:48 liw         kivilahtio, my gf and I wanted to on an adventure, so we went to NZ. (then got married in England, later)
12:48 kivilahtio  it is a long way from Finland.
12:47 kivilahtio  liw: How did you end up there?
12:47 cait        so liw totally IS a koha hero :)
12:47 cait        and the patron import tool shoudl tell me which duplicate cardnumbers it refused to load... not only the last one :)
12:47 cait        yep, but borrowers is especially annoying today
12:47 liw         kivilahtio, I was in NZ for a few months in 2010, and worked for Catalyst for a bit, adding Debian packaging to Koha
12:46 kivilahtio  cait: last_mod_time
12:46 kivilahtio  cait: we should have timestamps in every table
12:46 kivilahtio  liw: have you been to New Zealand?
12:46 * cait      wishes once again we had a timestamp on the borrowers table
12:44 liw         kivilahtio, I think from rangi, at the Catalyst offices. My memory may have paraphrased a little.
12:44 kivilahtio  liw: where did you hear that?
12:43 kivilahtio  that is also a good point
12:43 cait        :)
12:43 liw         I was told anyone who's contributed even a single bit to Koha is an awesome hero. I think so. (self-promotion aside)
12:43 kivilahtio  nlegrand: that is true
12:43 nlegrand    kivilahtio: ^^
12:43 nlegrand    my nick looks a bit like nengard's maybe ^^
12:42 kivilahtio  nlegrand: I think so, but if not, then somebody somewhere still loves your work
12:42 nlegrand    Cause I've just contributed tiny bits to koha ^^
12:42 nlegrand    kivilahtio: are you sure i'm the personn you think I am? :)
12:41 nlegrand    mhm
12:41 kivilahtio  nlegrand: we all love your work
12:41 kivilahtio  nlegrand: thanks you!
12:41 nlegrand    kivilahtio: found it... I forgot to create the database... It's fixed now, thanks kivilahtio :)
12:40 kivilahtio  nlegrand: you can easily test it by connecting to your MariaDB server from the command line
12:40 kivilahtio  nlegrand: and remembering why it happens is occasionally a pain.
12:39 kivilahtio  nlegrand: that is actually quite common error to happen
12:39 kivilahtio  nlegrand: there definetely should be some other kind of an error notification
12:39 kivilahtio  nlegrand: we get that when the Perl script tries to connect to DB but MariaDB/MySQL permissions are not set
12:39 nlegrand    kivilahtio: argh, that may be possible, thanks
12:39 nlegrand    but, I'm pretty sure I've got one... You don't know any other common issues with this error ?
12:38 kivilahtio  nlegrand: you dont have the databse user configured corectly
12:38 nlegrand    ^ I've read this is because I don't have a KOHA_CONF in my apache2 conf
12:38 nlegrand    Can't call method "do" on unblessed reference at /home/koha/koha-src/C4/Context.pm line 793.
12:03 kivilahtio  prolly not :)
11:59 drojf       i suppose it is not his biggest concern at the moment :)
11:55 cait        but i can't even tell if robin has implemented opachiddenitems for elasticsearch yet
11:55 cait        that would fix the issue of holes in the listed results
11:55 cait        drojf: maybe it filters the records out before they go into the display...
11:52 drojf       i don't think the function will change with elasticsearch, as it is supposed to replace zebra and work how zebra works now… (missed the beginning of your discussion though)
11:50 kivilahtio  no point resuscitating it
11:50 kivilahtio  I will just let it be like that since we are going to change to ElasticSearch and be done with this Zebra madness
11:49 kivilahtio  I agree
11:49 cait        the surprise if you use that to hide internal stuff and it just reappears on update would not be appreciated i think
11:49 kivilahtio  cait: I dont want YASP
11:49 cait        just that we can't change the existing behaviur by just deleting the code - we need to make it an option
11:49 cait        the expectation is that it's hidden - i am not saying other use cases wouldn't make sense too
11:49 kivilahtio  point taken
11:48 kivilahtio  ok
11:48 cait        some libraries are not really keen on showing any records without item
11:48 kivilahtio  cait: what if you want to export hte MARC?
11:48 cait        r
11:48 cait        that's the expected behaviou
11:48 cait        kivilahtio: the point is that the bibliographic information shouldn't show either :)
11:47 kivilahtio  and it would be better to fix it in the search layer.
11:47 kivilahtio  this would cause unnecessary complexity to the templates they don't need.
11:47 kivilahtio  cait: this way we can still see the record and tell users that no items are available, instead of no items exists, because the search results listing says items exists.
11:46 kivilahtio  cait: what if that text was changed to "No Items currently available"
11:46 kivilahtio  cait: with my patch I get the text "No physical items for this record"
11:45 kivilahtio  cait: Ok.
11:42 cait        or make it optional - keeping the behaviour for existing installations
11:42 cait        the other option is to display a nice message, like the feature drojf did for opacsuppression
11:41 cait        i have a lot of libraries using it BECAUSE it will also hide the record
11:41 cait        you can't just change the behaviour
11:41 cait        it's the feature as it was written
11:41 kivilahtio  cait: it is too late to hide it there. It needs to be hidden in the search results, now it just causes misery.
11:40 cait        kivilahtio: talking about hiding the record - not the items. the code snippet is there on purpose in my understanding
11:38 huginn`     drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 19.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
11:38 drojf       @wunder berlin, germany
11:03 drojf       hi #koha
10:56 kivilahtio  Why aren't we using Moose for Koha::Object?
10:40 nlegrand    hey #koha
10:22 huginn`     Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 PM NZST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
10:22 Francesca   @wunder wlg
08:57 ashimema    hehe.. indeed
08:54 cait        heh - so always leave for 2 weeks!
08:49 ashimema    if you go away for two.. I often find the email queue is actually clearer ;)
08:48 ashimema    I tend to find if your only away for a week though, that no-one else picks them up for you as things can wait a week usually..
08:48 ashimema    one would hope
08:47 cait        you probably can delete a lot of them *optimistic*
08:47 cait        heh
08:46 ashimema    nice.. but the mountain of emails is even wrose than usual this morning ;)
08:46 ashimema    was nice.. no wifi or mobile signal so had to stay completely offline for a week..
08:46 ashimema    norfolk broads.
08:44 cait        oh nice - where have you been?
08:44 ashimema    back from hols now.. :)
08:44 ashimema    good morning cait
08:44 cait        hi ashimema :)
08:44 huginn`     ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 16.9°C (9:40 AM BST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
08:44 ashimema    @wunder stevenage, uk
08:42 huginn`     cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 19.4°C (10:42 AM CEST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
08:42 cait        @wunder Konstanz
07:36 liw         rangi, I meant to say, I think this might be of interest to you: http://enricozini.org/2014/debian/debops/
07:36 liw         gah
07:36 liw         rangi, blog: why I don't use github or facebook
07:34 wahanui     bonjour, gaetan_B
07:34 gaetan_B    hello
07:01 alex_a      bonjour
07:00 marcelr     hi #koha
06:52 wahanui     salut, reiveune
06:52 reiveune    hello
05:36 huginn`     Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
05:36 Francesca   @wunder wlg
05:09 eythian     ^-- damn you America and your poor excuse for spelling!
05:09 eythian     'MapperParsingException[mapping [data]]; nested: MapperParsingException[Unknown field [search_analyser]]; '
04:55 huginn`     mario: The operation succeeded.
04:55 mario       @later tell cindy Ping me when you get in. Gracias
04:52 eythian     I wonder what's wrong with it.
04:52 eythian     well that reindex ran about 10× faster than normal.
03:35 * Francesca does a happy dance
01:08 wahanui     :)
01:08 Francesca   wahanui botsnack cookie
01:08 huginn`     Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (1:00 PM NZST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
01:08 Francesca   @wunder wlg
00:31 Francesca   nicer than it was earlier for sure
00:30 rangi       it has  been a while
00:28 eythian     I wonder when it was last that warm here
00:28 huginn`     eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (12:00 PM NZST on July 27, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
00:28 eythian     @wunder nzwn