Time Nick Message 22:31 mtompset stares at whom and where? 22:10 * tcohen stares with suspicious face 22:07 * tcohen tries to remember if there's anyone from him 22:06 mtompset 190 needs sign off. 22:02 tcohen 190? 22:01 mtompset Did I blink?! 22:01 mtompset 190?! 22:00 tcohen mtompset: there are some easy to tset on your list 21:58 tcohen ribasushi: who invented dbix syntax? 21:56 tcohen mtompset: i take breaks :) 21:53 pianohacker bye all, be back tonight 21:52 mtompset If you need a break from those intense ones. :) 21:52 tcohen rda patches are on my working branch already 21:51 mtompset I understand. :) 21:51 tcohen there were bugfixes which have a bit higher priority 21:50 tcohen will cover all of them 21:50 tcohen today i pushed 11 i think 21:50 tcohen therest are ok 21:49 mtompset I had a pain rebasing it into my 3.20.x hack branch. 21:48 mtompset Though, I think there may be an issue with what is currently there. 21:48 mtompset I thought he was revising it in other bugs. 21:47 tcohen marcelr is revising it 21:46 tcohen 6874 is on hold 21:46 mtompset Not all are mine, but I'd like to shrink the number of branches I have. :) 21:46 mtompset 6874 21:46 mtompset 14487 21:46 mtompset 14240 21:45 mtompset 13948 21:45 mtompset 12357 21:43 mtompset Can I list you some bug numbers that have passed QA? :) 21:43 * tcohen clarifies it was a cumpliment 21:43 mtompset speaking of obsessive. :) 21:42 tcohen nah, you are too obsessive, was just a joke 21:42 mtompset I may have been me once. 21:42 mtompset I check, and it is usually someone else. 21:42 tcohen :-P 21:42 tcohen mtompset: serial jenkins breaker 21:42 mtompset I stop looking after the 3rd email. :) 21:42 pianohacker that's how the test suite used to be, and nobody paid any attention to it 21:41 pianohacker yeah 21:41 tcohen the devs stop bothering to take a look at the regressions they introduce 21:41 tcohen because once tests fail for more than a week 21:41 pianohacker cait's gonna be thrilled to hear about that... 21:41 tcohen i'm tempted to just remove the shuffle option switch 21:41 mtompset I think a vulgar explicative is in order: holy excrement! 21:40 tcohen that's why jenkins is constantly failing in master 21:40 tcohen mtompset: yes 21:40 tcohen we should build test cases inside subtests so there aren't unnecesary side effects inside the same .t 21:40 pianohacker (the failure, not the reordering) 21:40 pianohacker *shiver* that's terrifying 21:40 mtompset We have failures when the .t order is randomized?! 21:39 pianohacker makes sense 21:39 tcohen exactly, only teh .t files 21:39 pianohacker tcohen: and, just to be clear, this is reordering the .t files, not the tests within them, correct? 21:39 tcohen but there must have been situations in which we inadvertedly passed tests only because they were run after another test 21:38 tcohen i think that's the aim 21:38 pianohacker why is that? I thought the only dependency for most of the tests was a full installation of the sample data? 21:37 pianohacker ... joy 21:37 tcohen and they of course, fail randomly 21:37 tcohen prove -s 21:37 tcohen i told jenkins to run the tests randomly 21:37 tcohen which is causing me a lot of headaches 21:37 pianohacker right... 21:37 tcohen yeah, and we don't test on other tests' side-effects 21:36 pianohacker that's reasonable, it makes the generation of test data a lot better 21:36 pianohacker ah, okay :) 21:36 tcohen :-D 21:36 tcohen yes, because it fills all foreign constrains with random data :-D 21:36 pianohacker does it depend on a wrapping $dbh->{AutoCommit} = 0 / $dbh->rollback? 21:35 tcohen Yohann Dafour 21:35 mtompset Actually, if you changed the line I suggested, tcohen, then you could set the params in a $self->params in the initialize routine without having to make the change you did. 21:35 pianohacker ah, right 21:35 tcohen it was an intern from biblibre 21:34 tcohen and I also create random items 21:34 pianohacker who made that again? 21:34 pianohacker niiiiice! 21:34 tcohen single line thing 21:34 tcohen create a couple random itypes, a random branch, a random borrower 21:33 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "pianohacker: TestBuilder goodness" (49 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/16 21:33 pianohacker oh, nvm 21:33 tcohen mtompset: I answered, even 21:33 pianohacker mtompset: yup, but jcamins is probably the only person likely to be helpful :) 21:32 pianohacker absolutely, definitely interested 21:32 mtompset tcohen and pianohacker: Did you see my koha-devel email question? :) 21:32 tcohen can i show u? 21:32 tcohen but building the test wasn't 21:32 tcohen it is trivial to solve (have a patch already) 21:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14598 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , itemtype is not set on statistics by C4::Circulation::AddReturn 21:32 tcohen i'm writing a regression test for bug 14598 21:31 tcohen without any assumptions on the db data 21:31 pianohacker oh really? What are you working on? 21:31 tcohen makes writing integration tests pretty simple 21:31 tcohen I have to say I like it :-D 21:30 tcohen i was giving TestBuilder my frst real-life usage 21:30 tcohen hi pianohacker 21:28 pianohacker also hi :) 21:28 pianohacker tcohen: RE: your question earlier (if it's still relevant), C4::Context->marcfromkohafield ? 21:27 tcohen hi there 21:20 huginn` pianohacker: The operation succeeded. 21:20 pianohacker @later tell cait well, later than wanted, but I posted a sandbox for bug 11559 20:48 huginn` pianohacker: ashimema was last seen in #koha 1 week, 4 days, 13 hours, 5 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ashimema> morning 20:48 pianohacker @seen ashimema 20:39 drojf a multitude of mtompsets 20:29 drojf tonys: great 20:29 mtompset Strangely, true again. Silly reports due in a week. 20:29 tonys drojf: thank you for the sucessful help.. everything works again... 20:29 wahanui well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry. 20:29 bag heya mtompset 20:28 drojf hi mtompset 20:28 mtompset Greetings, drojf bag. 20:26 tonys drojf: thank you I found it so let me take a look and see if the user is stil there. 20:25 drojf tonys: assuming you are on an installation with debian packages and your instance is called Library (from what you posted before), it would be in /etc/koha/sites/Library/koha-conf.xml 20:23 tonys drofj>> don't see to be able to find the file you recommended 20:19 tonys okay let me check the file first 20:18 drojf tonys: the database user should still be there (info in koha-conf.xml), or you could just remove the instance and recreate it 20:17 bag ah you too cait 20:17 huginn` bag: cait was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 17 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <cait> have a nice weekend #koha 20:17 bag @seen cait 20:16 tonys I made a mistake and deleted all the patron files in Koha and it got rid of all my user and admin logins ... anyone know what I need to do to get at least the default back in place 19:39 pianohacker happy to help, have a nice day :) 19:38 tonys Thank you again 19:37 pianohacker tonys: glad to hear! 19:35 tonys Just did that and now it works.... I must be brain fryed but thank you so much pianohacker 19:34 pianohacker tonys: run sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart 19:33 tonys <pianohacker> I'm still getting that default page 19:31 huginn` mtompset: jcamins was last seen in #koha 5 days, 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <jcamins> Hehe. 19:31 mtompset @seen jcamins 19:31 mtompset jcamins: Can I ask you a question about Koha::RecordProcessor? 19:31 tonys Greeting mtompset 19:31 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker tonys. 19:31 pianohacker tonys: try just default then 19:30 pianohacker hi mtompset 19:30 mtompset That I exist, or something else? ;) 19:30 tonys My error got it -- indicates 000.default doesn't exsist 19:30 pianohacker *blink* that's odd. 19:29 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 19:29 tonys can't find the a2dissite 19:27 pianohacker tonys: sudo a2dissite 000.default 19:27 tonys sorry library.conf 19:27 tonys pianohacker <<< 000.default and Library 19:22 pianohacker tonys: what's in your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ directory? 19:20 tonys Ubuntu 12.04 19:20 pianohacker tonys: what linux distro? 19:19 tonys Is anyone here that could help me understand why my :80 doesn't bring up the OPAC but it brings up the Apache "This Works" page. Port 8080 is walking just fine. 18:19 tcohen how do i get a value of a specific column from a result set? 18:09 pianohacker np 18:09 tcohen oh, sorry 18:09 pianohacker tcohen: we're on a call atm 18:09 tcohen khall: around? 18:06 tcohen there's no such a thing as an API for that! 18:06 tcohen oh my 18:05 * tcohen laughs nervously 18:04 tcohen through the API of course 18:04 tcohen quick question: anyone remembers how to query a koha<->marc mapping? 17:26 gaetan_B bye 17:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14107: Patron cards: Make barcode width and height scaling editable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b23fb8b211c3fbedadc8b67bf294b65ed2ddf2d> / Bug 14268: Followup - instruction for preftype selection <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6c8de6503c41996c37cff79665bd4c7498a9e55> / Bug 14268: Use dropdown for variable types <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe 17:05 xarragon gracias 17:05 tcohen de nada 17:05 xarragon tcohen: very* 17:04 xarragon tcohen: Thank you veryt much! 17:03 tcohen xarragon: u r welcome 17:03 xarragon Much more compact and complete! 17:03 xarragon Oh, I like. 17:03 xarragon It better be l33t since I can no longer do the "dumping pun" when I use it.. 17:02 xarragon "colored pretty-printer" 17:01 tcohen warn p($object); 17:01 tcohen xarragon: I always usa Data::Printer 17:00 xarragon And for some reason I imagined that Dumper would print the methods. 17:00 xarragon Okay, thanks for the mental support. 16:59 xarragon I see it in the bash scrollback. 16:59 xarragon Ah, yes, I fixed the error by using the XML module.. But went on adding dumping code 16:59 tcohen xarragon: it is friday, it is supposed to be like that on fridays 16:58 xarragon I was probably just missing to use it then. Called the as_xml() on a record object without using it. Makes sense, since I pasted in parts from another file into a small test script. 16:58 tcohen http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/GMCHARLT/MARC-XML-1.0.3/lib/MARC/File/XML.pm 16:58 tcohen it extends MARC::Record/MARC::File injecting more methods 16:57 tcohen isn't it? 16:57 tcohen MARC::File::XML includes MARC::Record 16:57 xarragon Because I belive I changed that before starting to Data::Dump all over.. 16:56 tcohen xarragon: i don't think so 16:56 xarragon tcohen:Does the MARC::File::XML has to be used before the MARC::Record? 16:56 tcohen he's always around, looking after his beloved lib 16:55 tcohen it is gmcharlt's aura 16:55 xarragon tcohen: Uh, it actually works now.. magically 16:54 tcohen yeap 16:54 xarragon tcohen: Hm, it was supposed to be as_xml() actually 16:51 tcohen xarragon: are you sure? 16:50 gaetan_B :D 16:50 tcohen gaetan_B: you rock 16:50 gaetan_B :) nice way to end the week i guess! 16:50 tcohen khall: sorry to hear! 16:50 tcohen gaetan_B++ 16:50 xarragon Okay, probably something obvious.. But my MARC::Record objects do not have a to_xml() method, even when MARC::File::XML is used. Anyone know what it can be? 16:46 khall oops, wrong channel! 16:45 khall what's the zoom url we were using? 16:45 khall heydevs so my mac pro won't even boot now 16:45 drojf great! 16:44 gaetan_B it worked, thanks drojf! 16:41 reiveune bye 16:41 gaetan_B aaah this looks promising :) 16:40 drojf get the commitid from git log 16:40 gaetan_B no, probably because, my vm is in an lxc container, but i am sending the git-bz commands from outside the container 16:40 drojf i did it before with git bz attach -e xxxx <commitid of first commit, e.g. b50ea9bd>^.. 16:39 drojf *did 16:39 drojf but it dod not work? 16:39 gaetan_B i have tried doing git bz attach -e 12252 HEAD~^5.. which seemed like it was what i wanted from reading the wiki 16:38 gaetan_B i have to attach them to bugzilla now 16:38 gaetan_B i have already applied and tested all patches 16:37 tcohen gaetan_B: I usually do git bz apply -s BUG# 16:37 gaetan_B well that's what i am looking at right now 16:36 drojf gaetan_B: does that help? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Bugs_with_more_than_one_patch 16:33 gaetan_B just not too sure about myself here 16:33 gaetan_B i have 6 patches to attach so i feel like doing git bz attach -e 12252 HEAD~^5 would do 16:31 gaetan_B that whole HEAD~2^ thing is not very clear to me 16:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , OAI-PMH GetRecord result doesn't include item data 16:31 gaetan_B hi tcohen, i'm busy signing off bug 12252, but i'm not sure how to sign off multiple patches at once 15:49 tcohen late morning 13:26 misilot My code does make some alterations I believe to show shelving location instead of which library has it, since we are a single branch 13:26 misilot I need to clean it up a bunch, but I might try and do that when I'm on vacation next week and try and get it submitted to VuFind. 13:25 misilot barton: https://github.com/misilot/vufind/tree/fit-koharest here is the branch with our current production code 13:25 misilot barton: but we have VuFind running just like we did with our previous vendor. Possibly even a little smoother 13:24 barton hm. I'm going to have some fun playing with that... 13:19 misilot barton: think of it is the pre rest/ rest driver for Koha 13:19 barton A little experience will trump a lot of theory. 13:18 misilot barton: http://demo.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl 13:18 barton I think that perhaps I need to learn more about Koha's ILSDI as well... it's not a corner of Koha that I've played in before. 13:16 misilot I haven't had time to or want enough to care about that little misconecption, since our fines are put into the Finance system for the university 13:16 misilot and all items checked out = previously checked out 13:16 barton ah. 13:16 misilot the fine page I mean not the overdue page 13:15 misilot The only wonky thing is, the overdue page in VuFind, it shows all items checked out 13:15 barton nod. 13:15 misilot As long as the ILSDI driver allows it, I can do it 13:15 misilot that 13:14 misilot yes, i can ^^ 13:14 barton you can't do anything lik placing holds via VuFind. 13:13 misilot I can place holds/renewal/cancel holds etc through the ILSDI driver 13:13 misilot barton: what do you mean? 13:13 barton misilot: nod ... so you're treating Koha as read-only, correct? 13:09 misilot since the external source is doing that 13:09 misilot the username is our *identifier* for koha so I just look up based on ID and don't actually authenticate the patron 13:07 misilot barton: https://github.com/misilot/vufind/commit/911cbbeb3258d7d5087f3c664e51bc7afa314d0e#diff-9e1a55e9135382338c9c9bc0d5629549R1498 13:07 barton cait, misilot, drojf : just added http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/External_Integration -- pretty bare bones at the moment, but it's a start. 13:00 cait have a nice weekend #koha 12:33 barton misilot++ 12:32 misilot let me try and put my custom code up into a branch on github, and see if I can walk you through it. I'm not using LDAP for VuFind, but I am using CAS so it may be similar enough 12:31 barton I don't have clue 1 about how that's called or how it interacts with Koha. 12:30 barton Yeah, that's one of the places that I'm running into trouble as well: the site that I'm integrating with is using LDAP; as soon as it hits user data, it's prompting for a login, and I have no clue about the plumbing inside Vufind that's making that happen... I can see a login method inside the KohaRest driver (or something like that)... but I don 12:26 misilot for users 12:26 misilot i just need to figure out a better way to gracefully handle the custom parts of authentication that we added. where I do not use koha username and passwords for authenticating to the backend 12:26 barton nod. 12:25 misilot possibly 12:25 misilot i'm gonna try and put some of my changes out there publically and try and get them merged into VuFind stable possibl 12:25 misilot ah ok :) 12:24 barton time to back up and get a better idea of what I'm doing. 12:24 barton misilot: well, yes and no... I think that a good chunk of my problem right now is that I just don't know enough about VuFind in general... I've been going down very specific avenues, without any context. 12:21 misilot wasn't sure if you needed any help with it 12:21 misilot ah :) 12:21 barton your name came up :-) 12:21 barton misilot: talking about vufind in general. I was giving back-story. 12:21 cait i amnot sure what happened 12:21 cait i think they had a request going to get it integrated 12:20 cait koha-driver 12:20 drojf i think it is part of vufind these days 12:20 misilot barton: what's up 12:19 barton the ptfs version can be found here: https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/vufind -- I can't remember the branch name off hand -- probably Koha-Rest or something very similar. 12:18 drojf i have not had the time to try vufind again (the last time was before the rest driver), so i'm out 12:16 barton I'm actually using a modified version of the ptfs driver that misilot sent me. 12:15 drojf the other (old) one uses sql directly 12:15 drojf the rest driver is the ptfs one 12:15 cait barton: which driver are you looking at? 12:14 cait barton: you should talk to someone fromptfs europe maybe 12:10 barton ... and if anyone considers themselves an expert, perhaps registering here: https://vufind.org/wiki/ils_support_list 12:09 barton I was wondering if anyone here has experience with VuFind? I'm especially interested in configuring / trouble-shooting the Koha-Rest driver. 12:09 barton morning #koha! 11:34 matts hi #koha ! 11:13 khall np! 11:13 cait thx khall :) 11:11 khall np! 11:11 nlegrand khall: ha I have the one in the reports page, but not in tools page... Well, I'll search, thanks again :) 11:09 khall nlegrand: no, they links should show in the reports page and the tools page 11:09 nlegrand khall: do the links should appear in the "More" menu on a koha master branch? I see no entry in the template: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/header.inc;hb=HEAD 11:08 cait i could do it, but not yet signing and might forget 11:08 cait khall: could you kill the +use Readonly; too? 11:07 cait thx! 11:06 khall cait: I've updated the patch 11:06 khall wish I had better news for you : \ 11:05 nlegrand thanks anyway 11:05 nlegrand argh :) 11:04 khall I'm afraid I'm out of ideas at this point! 11:04 khall nlegrand: that's no a problem. 11:04 nlegrand [Fri Jul 24 12:59:36 2015] plugins-upload.pl: Use of uninitialized value $op in string eq at /home/koha/koha-src/plugins/plugins-upload.pl line 91. 11:04 nlegrand khall: no errors, but, I realised some of my logs where for some reasons in the apache logs dir, and I have this: 11:02 cait just too worried about conflicts right now - lots of things inthe works there 11:02 khall cool! 11:01 cait hope to build that into koha once some of the overdue patches have gone in 11:01 cait they need your way of grace period calculation but with non-linear fines 11:00 cait currently trying to adapt the algorithm for a custom fines script... 11:00 cait i hope to sign it soon 11:00 khall ok, I'll add a followup then 11:00 cait hm i get what you meant, but i think it was a little confusing here 10:59 khall basically, it's to give a name to those two arbitrary values 10:59 cait and i think you could just do == 1 below? 10:59 khall you're right about that it seems 10:58 cait hm INTERVAL_END doesn't seem to be used actually 10:58 cait why the use of INTERVAL_START? and INTERVAL_END? 10:58 cait in overdues.p,m 10:58 cait i am wondering 10:58 khall yep! 10:57 cait still there? :) 10:57 huginn` 04Bug 13590: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to charge fines at start of charge period 10:57 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13590 10:56 cait oops 10:56 cait (12:09:15) cait: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=KohaUsers/Europe&curid=1638&diff=15135&oldid=14934 10:56 cait khall: i am looking at the grace period bug 10:50 khall nlegrand: i you apply this diff to your kohaclone you might see the errors: http://paste.koha-community.org/14 10:47 nlegrand I'm on a fresh master, my db may be a bit weird though. 10:47 nlegrand khall: no errors 10:47 khall are there any error messages in your apache logs? 10:46 nlegrand khall: they have been unzipped in the plugin directory, but I have "No plugins installed" in plugins-home.pl 10:40 khall sure! 10:39 cait khall: can you help me out a little later understanding one of your patches? 10:37 khall try the patron last activity plugin, or the records by biblionumber plugin 10:36 nlegrand ho right. 10:36 khall nlegrand: I would try another plugin or two. Usually what that means is some part of the plugin failed to load. 10:35 nlegrand khall: but it's not listed in plugins-home.pl then 10:35 nlegrand khall: I have to go directly to plugins-upload to do so, it unzipped it cleanly in /var/lib/plugins 10:34 nlegrand khall: but It doesn't propose to upload new plugins, and it doesn't list Kitchen Sink once I've uploaded whith plugins-upload.pl 10:34 khall so you can go to plugins-home.pl and upload a plugin? 10:33 nlegrand khall: yes 10:33 khall nlegrand: can you to going to /cgi-bin/koha/plugins/plugins-home.pl for your server? 10:33 nlegrand khall: then I use direct links and upload Kitchen Sink like said here : <http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/> 10:32 nlegrand Restarted the server again, same effect 10:32 nlegrand 1 10:32 nlegrand 1 10:32 nlegrand $ perl -MC4::Context -E "say C4::Context->config("enable_plugins"); say C4::Context->preference('UseKohaPlugins')" 10:32 nlegrand cait: user is super librarian 10:29 cait sorry to interrupt, just thought maybe there is a third option missing 10:29 cait nlegrand: you turned of the pref, gave your user the permissions and koha-conf? 10:28 nlegrand khall: Thanks! It doesn't seem to work like in the video you made. For example, after enabling both ways and restarting web server, I don't have links. 10:27 khall sure! 10:27 nlegrand khall: may I ask you about plugins ? 10:27 cait khall: plugin queestions :) 10:27 nlegrand cait: Sink Kitchen first, the idea was more to developpe my owns ^^ 10:27 cait morning khall :) 10:27 nlegrand \o/ 10:27 khall mornin! 10:27 cait which plugin were you looking at? 10:26 cait khall ping :) 10:26 cait i think you can access them via tools 10:26 nlegrand Maybe I should wait for someone from ByWaters :), maybe they're still asleep right now :) 10:26 cait hm? 10:26 nlegrand cait: for the plugins I've done all that, enabling both ways, restarting server, and I watched Kyle's video. The most basic features, like the link in header.inc are not in the master branch. 10:19 nlegrand hiya 09:42 cait both - looking for another code review and maybe some acq testing data 09:42 cait that's alright 09:42 clrh for functionnal testings or more technical ? 09:42 clrh I don't know how to help you 09:42 clrh ... 09:41 cait i am a bit stuck on thsoe 09:41 cait clrh: i am trying, saldy not so much success in finding volunteers to help out with the taxes patches 09:40 huginn` 04Bug 7736: new feature, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, In Discussion , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality 09:40 clrh cait: +1 ;) http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7736#c118 (Hello) 09:33 drojf i guess it's bad in this case :D 09:32 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 09:32 cait interesting 09:31 drojf i just learned that in bibliotheca plus, you have to send emails manually. you export them, and put them in outlook. and apparently now you even have to send each one manually 09:29 drojf hi cait 09:29 cait hi drojf 09:19 drojf hi #koha 07:35 gaetan_B hello 06:57 alex_a bonjour 06:53 wahanui que tal, reiveune 06:53 reiveune hello 04:33 Francesca :) 04:33 cdickinson Okay, have fun, see you tomorrow :) 04:33 Francesca see you tomorrow cdickinson , bye #koha 04:33 Francesca Right I gotta go do stuff now 04:32 Francesca sweet 04:31 cdickinson Alright 04:31 Francesca I'll txt u if plans change, they'll be finnalising timings tonight 04:31 Francesca yup 04:30 cdickinson Cool, shortly after 6. I'll note that down and not forget 04:30 Francesca shouldn't be too crowded there 04:30 Francesca lets meet outside parliament grounds round the front then 04:27 cdickinson Cool, done deal then 04:26 Francesca oh that'd be great! 04:26 cdickinson my car has petrol and my wallet has pocket lint, so I'm driving in. I'd be able to take you up to the contra dance later, as well, if you want 04:26 Francesca got it 04:25 cdickinson PM'd 04:25 cdickinson you'll probably need my number for that haha 04:25 Francesca I'll txt you when i get to my phone 04:25 cdickinson That's true 04:25 Francesca might be easier than trying to find you in the crowd 04:25 cdickinson Yeah 04:25 Francesca I could meet you outside the parliament grounds 04:24 Francesca Hmmm 04:24 cdickinson Yeah, that'd be good 04:24 Francesca you wanna meet up after the performance is finished? 04:23 Francesca I have to be in kelburn for a contra dance at 7,30 so wasn't planning on staying for the light show 04:23 Francesca I'll be till just after 6 04:22 cdickinson are you tied up there the whole time, or what? 04:22 cdickinson I have decent eyes so hopefully 04:22 Francesca theres 100 of us 04:22 Francesca see if u can spot me in the choir 04:21 cdickinson Yeah, it says it's free 04:21 Francesca I think its free 04:21 Francesca yup 04:21 cdickinson http://www.eventfinda.co.nz/2015/the-big-birthday-party-capital-150/wellington - it's this, right? 04:20 cdickinson cause I heard about this on TV this morning, but yeah 04:19 cdickinson Does it cost to get in? :P 04:19 Francesca tomorrow evening down at parliament 04:18 Francesca u shld come 04:18 cdickinson o.O 04:18 Francesca we're backing up dave dobbyn 04:18 Francesca and a concert tomorrow 04:18 cdickinson Ah, nice 04:18 Francesca Its just I have choir tonight so I needed a rest 04:18 cdickinson Perfect, cause that's my schedule as well 04:18 Francesca I'm planning on coming in every friday afternoon 04:17 Francesca awww I'm touched 04:17 cdickinson Francesca, you should come in more often, you're fun to have chats with 04:17 Francesca have fun 04:17 Francesca ok see ya 04:17 cdickinson going to go for some not-so-beer o'clock now 04:17 Francesca cool 04:16 cdickinson alright, got my work committed 04:14 Francesca hahahaha I couldn't agree more 04:13 cdickinson I have a funny feeling "do as I say, not as I do" is going to be a saying that will feature a lot in the future for me 04:13 cdickinson I would, you're exactly right 04:12 Francesca wouldn't you? 04:12 Francesca I'd much rather build a website than write an essay 04:12 Francesca any uni related work e.g.: quizs, assignments come much lower down the list 04:12 Francesca in my mind 04:11 Francesca catalyst and music are equal 04:11 Francesca oh shh 04:11 cdickinson well, that's what I'd say to myself anyway 04:11 cdickinson priorities are straight as per usual, I see :D 04:10 Francesca right now I should attempt to find my sheet music, after all I do need it tonight 04:10 Francesca I'm gonna try running my vm another time when I haven't got so much other stuff open on my desktop 04:09 cdickinson surprise surprise, pythian is a real word 04:08 cdickinson that's alright 04:04 Francesca hmmm eythian auto correct thinks you are pythian 04:04 Francesca thanks for the help pythian, wizzyrea, cdickinson 04:04 Francesca its a 3 hour one 04:03 * Francesca is going to sleep before rehearsal tonight 04:03 * eythian will go for beer now instead though 04:03 * eythian would copy-paste into pastebin 04:03 * Francesca is giving up for now 04:02 Francesca in the vm 04:02 Francesca I'll let you know when I can work out how to screenshot 04:00 wizzyrea (it shows you what's eating up your resources) 04:00 eythian specifically, the one inside the vm 03:59 wizzyrea :) 03:59 wizzyrea I think he means type "top" into your terminal 03:59 cdickinson top is a terminal command, Francesca 03:59 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE <-- also not what top says 03:59 Francesca I'm confused 03:59 eythian that is not what top says 03:58 Francesca f-vm [running] 03:58 eythian what does top say? 03:58 cdickinson maybe something is happening in the background? 03:57 Francesca and the vm is back to running slow 03:56 francesca_ so is the tiny little common room at the music school 03:56 francesca_ uhh wishbone is fairly popular 03:55 cdickinson you music people seem like a rare species 03:54 cdickinson putting aside the fact that I was making a joke about how people spend too much time at Vic, what I meant to say was where do you hang out and study and stuff :P 03:53 francesca_ as far as I know 03:53 francesca_ not music students 03:52 cdickinson a surprising amount of people crawl into small areas to sleep 03:52 francesca_ nah everyone knows we live in pianos 03:52 eythian they live in the small holes in trees. 03:51 francesca_ cas I live at home 03:51 francesca_ are you asking for hall of residence? 03:51 francesca_ what do you mean? 03:51 cdickinson where do music students normally live at Vic? 03:51 cdickinson Awesome, good to hear 03:50 francesca_ thats when I'll be in next 03:50 francesca_ I can always show you next friday 03:50 francesca_ right I'll keep that in mind 03:48 cdickinson if it still slows down, only other thing I can think of is check that 3D Acceleration is enabled... it should be enabled by default but you never know 03:48 francesca_ *be 03:47 francesca_ seems to bw fine now 03:47 cdickinson is it still slow? cause if there is enough RAM and you have guest additions installed, I'm stumped haha 03:44 francesca_ time to install bugzilla 03:44 francesca_ right 03:42 francesca_ just not the one with ubuntu installed 03:41 francesca_ I ssh into my vagrant vm 03:41 eythian also, it uses a lot less resources 03:41 francesca_ i like that idea 03:41 cdickinson Remoting into the server allows you to use your desktop GUI, rather than being confined to a small window 03:41 eythian so you should be using it the way that servers are used, not the way desktop computers are used. 03:41 francesca_ ok 03:40 eythian effectively, you have a small server inside your mac now. 03:40 eythian nobody uses servers with a gui because it's a terrible idea 03:40 francesca_ eythian: slightly confused 03:40 francesca_ and have enabled them 03:40 francesca_ yeah 03:40 eythian future step is to work SSHed into the VM rather than on its console, and remove all the GUI stuff altogether. 03:40 cdickinson okay, so you DO have the guest extensions installed then 03:40 francesca_ thanks cdickinson 03:39 francesca_ yup it works 03:39 francesca_ </Directory> 03:39 francesca_ AllowOverride Limit FileInfo Indexes Options 03:39 francesca_ DirectoryIndex index.cgi index.html 03:39 francesca_ Options +ExecCGI +FollowSymLinks 03:39 francesca_ AddHandler cgi-script .cgi 03:39 francesca_ (copied from mac) <Directory /Library/WebServer/Documents/bugzilla> 03:39 francesca_ right using irc from the vm now 03:38 cdickinson try copy and pasting text. Files, I'm not sure if it does that 03:38 Francesca right vm up and running 03:37 Francesca ask siri to do it 03:37 Francesca hahahahaha 03:37 cdickinson just to make sure I was living in reality 03:37 cdickinson if that happened to me, I'd immediately go and try to divide by zero 03:36 * Francesca is dying of laughter 03:36 mtj hmmm, would be interesting to run some benchmarks on various VMs 03:36 eythian that'll be a confusing day. 03:36 eythian one day quantum tunneling will cause you to pass right htrough 03:36 Francesca hahahahahahaha 03:36 cdickinson at least once a week, I walk into my own bedroom door while trying to open it 03:36 Francesca Really? wow 03:35 cdickinson it's okay, I can do worse 03:35 wahanui Since Wed Jul 15 22:30:23 2015, there have been 147 modifications and 34 questions. I have been awake for 8 days, 5 hours, 5 minutes, 3 seconds this session, and currently reference 44594 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. 03:35 eythian wahanui: status 03:35 Francesca my brain is not working today 03:35 Francesca cdickinson: I figured 03:35 wahanui :) 03:35 Francesca wahanui: botsnack cookie 03:34 cdickinson * Francesca realises stupidly that she already had agh of memory <--- that's what I was trying to point out 03:34 Francesca hahahahahahahaha I love it 03:34 Francesca and auto correct has returned with a vengeance 03:34 wahanui facepalm is a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity. 03:34 eythian wahanui: facepalm 03:34 Francesca faceplate faceplate facepalm 03:33 * Francesca realises stupidly that she already had agh of memory 03:32 Francesca then I'll start up the vm and let you know 03:32 Francesca just gotta increase the memory (I haven't done it yet) 03:32 Francesca they were disabled but I've enabled them now 03:31 cdickinson Let me know if it works 03:31 cdickinson restart your VM 03:31 Francesca mind reader 03:31 Francesca I was just about to ask that 03:31 cdickinson Might as well enable drag n drop as well 03:31 cdickinson flip that to bidirectional 03:31 cdickinson go to the General tab, then Advanced -> Shared Clipboard 03:30 Francesca yup 03:30 cdickinson Still got the settings window for the VM open? 03:30 cdickinson sorry, no question mark, it is 03:30 cdickinson the bidirectional clipboard is something you have to enable specifically? 03:30 Francesca nope 03:30 Francesca can't remember rangi and I set up the vm much earlier in the year 03:30 cdickinson are you not able to do that at the moment? 03:29 Francesca yes I want the one that allows copying between my os and the vb 03:29 cdickinson do you know if you've installed it, Francesca? 03:29 cdickinson it's especially important for Linux as it includes drivers for the 3D graphics 03:28 mtj .. on a macbook pro (mid 2012), with an SSD drive 03:28 cdickinson VirtualBox includes some guest extensions that should be installed on the VMs in order to improve performance and stuff 03:28 cdickinson there is one more thing 03:28 Francesca thanks mtj, dickinson, eythian 03:27 Francesca then 03:27 Francesca 1gb it is the 03:27 Francesca okey doke 03:27 mtj Francesca: many of my vbox VMs are only 1gig RAM, with no speed problems 03:27 cdickinson you said it's already at 1024MB, and that you'd be bumping it up to 1GB. 1GB is 1024MB, so that would do nothing 03:27 Francesca I think I'm confusing myself 03:27 Francesca cdickinson: you seem confused, am I confusing you? 03:26 Francesca the most I'll be doing on it for the moment is installing bugzilla and creating a new skin 03:26 cdickinson 1024MB == 1GB? 03:26 Francesca I'll bump it up to 1gb for now 03:25 cdickinson it certainly doesn't hurt to 03:24 Francesca but I can increase the allowance if you think thats a better idea 03:24 Francesca mm thats the way I set up the vm with rangi 03:24 Francesca not sure I know what ssd is 03:24 Francesca the one from last year yeah 03:23 mtj Francesca: youve got a recent macbook pro, with an ssd ? 03:23 cdickinson the less RAM you have, the more it has to swap to disk, and that's REALLY slow 03:23 cdickinson 1024MB will work, but you've got RAM to spare 03:23 Francesca I've got 1024 mb 03:23 cdickinson https://support.apple.com/kb/SP703?viewlocale=en_NZ&locale=en_NZ 03:22 Francesca pro 03:22 cdickinson Base Memory is the amount of RAM you've got allocated to it. I usually dedicate 2GB for any VM I'm doing serious work on 03:22 mtj ah, yep.. youve got an mac air huh? 03:21 Francesca but other than that its fine 03:21 Francesca hmm I've had problems with the speed 03:21 mtj hey Francesca, fwiw... i run a debian vbox on osx, no problems 03:20 cdickinson click on the "System" tab thing 03:20 cdickinson right click on the VM in the manager -> Settings 03:20 Francesca how do I do that? 03:20 Francesca I'm listning 03:20 eythian check the RAM allocated to the VM 03:19 cdickinson actually, there is one more thing 03:19 cdickinson Not exactly a powerhouse, but it should work decently enough 03:19 * Francesca starts up virtual box 03:19 Francesca arghh I give up 03:18 Francesca 2014 model 03:18 Francesca mackbook pro 13inch retina screen 03:18 cdickinson do you know what model MacBook you have? 03:17 Francesca ok so thats not the problem then 03:17 cdickinson https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203296 - according to this, it IS enabled by default when running Mac OS 03:16 Francesca I should check that first 03:16 Francesca if it is off 03:16 Francesca I will go and find out how to turn it on 03:16 Francesca why?? what is the point in turning off something so useful 03:16 cdickinson but for some stupid reason, almost everybody turns it off by default 03:16 Francesca I know nothing about configuring my laptop 03:16 eythian using a mac will be quite like pushing poo uphill. 03:16 cdickinson Francesca: there is a hardware feature called virtualisation extensions that make running VMs fast 03:15 Francesca for all I know about websites and code 03:15 * Francesca is slightly confused niw 03:15 cdickinson way, way too many computers come like that 03:15 cdickinson Or maybe it's disabled by default 03:15 eythian for example, maybe the CPU doesn't have virtualisation extensions. 03:15 cdickinson that's true 03:15 eythian it's not a given that that is the issue 03:15 Francesca in the meantime I'll just keep going on mac 03:14 Francesca I don't think I know how to do that 03:14 Francesca umm ok 03:14 cdickinson you need to allocate more resources to the VM 03:14 Francesca I have virtual box installed 03:14 Francesca it runs so slow though 03:14 cdickinson just having a normal VM is probably less of a pain 03:13 * Francesca needs to get ubuntu dual booted on her laptop 03:13 Francesca okey doke thanks 03:13 cdickinson Francesca, use "sudo [text editor] /etc/apache2/httpd.conf" 03:13 eythian that's where my knowledge of real systems keeps going, and knowlege of macs stops. 03:13 wizzyrea in terminal. 03:13 wizzyrea in the directory with the config file 03:13 wizzyrea ls -lah should tell you useful things 03:13 Francesca Has worked for me so far 03:12 eythian I don't know 03:12 cdickinson does Mac OS support sudo? 03:12 Francesca how do I check if it has root privileges on a mac? 03:12 eythian and that text editor will need root privileges 03:12 Francesca it won't let me save changes 03:12 Francesca yeah tried that 03:12 eythian you need to edit it with a text editor 03:12 Francesca according to bugzilla I've got to be able to edit the configuration file 03:12 eythian which isn't a thing that makes sense 03:11 eythian you're asking the system to run it 03:11 eythian yeah 03:11 Francesca heres the error -bash: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Permission denied 03:11 eythian that is probably not a thing you want to do. 03:11 eythian if you put that line into a shell, you're telling it to run that. 03:11 Francesca absolutely no idea 03:11 eythian what is telling it to say "permission denied"? 03:11 Francesca when I put this line /etc/apache2/httpd.conf in the terminal and hit enter 03:11 eythian the terminal only shows things that other programs tell it to show 03:10 Francesca terminal 03:10 eythian and what is it that says "permission denied"? 03:10 Francesca Text editor 03:10 eythian what is "brackets"? 03:10 eythian what are you trying to do, and what is the result you are getting? 03:10 Francesca it says permission denied 03:10 Francesca the terminal won't open it or do whatever its supposed to do 03:09 Francesca brackets lets me edit but not save the apache configuration file 03:09 cdickinson what's the error? 03:09 cdickinson for it not saving changes? 03:09 Francesca got any ideas or brilliant solutions 03:08 cdickinson yep 03:08 Francesca anyone around still? 03:06 Francesca grrrrrr 03:06 Francesca now the computer won't let me save the changes to the apache file 03:06 Francesca oh fantastic 02:59 Francesca right now onto configuring apache with mod_cgi 02:59 Francesca hahahaha bye hi pianohacker 02:58 wahanui other way is to pass the array as an arrayref 02:58 pianohacker other way 02:58 pianohacker I mean hi 02:58 eythian hi 02:58 pianohacker bye 02:58 eythian np 02:58 Francesca thanks eythian 02:58 Francesca restart apache it is 02:57 Francesca okey doke 02:57 eythian I would skip that instruction then 02:56 Francesca can't find any log format line at all 02:56 eythian it might not be identical, you might have a newer version or something, 02:56 eythian look for a logformat line 02:55 eythian oh 02:55 Francesca that guide 02:55 Francesca https://bugzilla.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installing/apache.html#apache 02:55 eythian also, what guide? 02:54 eythian I don't feel like that line would be necessary 02:54 Francesca which according to the guide I'm following it should 02:53 Francesca LogFormat "%v:%p %h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %O \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" vhost_combined 02:53 Francesca my apache configuration file doesn't seem to have this line 02:53 cdickinson and passionfruit juice, man that stuff is glorious 02:53 cdickinson beer, cider, some shots fly around 02:53 * Francesca has a problem 02:52 eythian there will probably be some of that here too 02:52 tcohen heh 02:52 tcohen here is cabernet-sauvignon o'clock 02:52 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (2:30 PM NZST on July 24, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady). 02:52 Francesca @wunder wlg 02:52 eythian later :) 02:52 tcohen heh 02:52 eythian an hour from beer o'clock 02:52 tcohen have a good day/nght 02:51 eythian it's only mid-afternoon, tcohen 02:51 tcohen just to say hi, is really late already 02:51 tcohen thanks eythian 02:51 tcohen hi 02:50 eythian tcohen: also, I uploaded new master packages with my patches in them 02:49 wahanui hey, eythian 02:49 eythian tcohen: hi 02:49 * Francesca waves at tcohen 02:49 Francesca we talk to someone else instead 02:49 Francesca oh I don't think he actually knows whats going on with internships 02:49 cdickinson actually, I'd rather not go through Summer of Tech at all 02:48 cdickinson I was just going to have a chat with rangi or something about the avenues I'd need to go through, if there is nothing on Summer of Tech 02:48 Francesca no worries, it'd be cool to do an internship with you 02:48 Francesca once I hear back that is 02:48 cdickinson That'd be awesome, thanks Francesca 02:48 Francesca I'll pass the info onto you if you like 02:47 Francesca cool, I'm just about to get in touch and ask what we need to do 02:47 cdickinson absolutely 02:47 cdickinson my supervisors say to look forward to feedback from one particular marker though x_x 02:47 Francesca you still planning to apply for the internship this summer? 02:46 Francesca glad to hear it 02:46 cdickinson Got some good feedback 02:46 cdickinson it went well enough 02:46 cdickinson yet it wasn't a disaster 02:46 cdickinson ended up getting there just before I was up, tired, gasping for air, unhappy 02:46 Francesca but it went well? 02:45 Francesca oh dear 02:45 Francesca hahaha those are the best 02:45 cdickinson first up at 3pm, had to go move my car at 2:30pm because I couldn't find a park anywhere 02:45 cdickinson ended up doing all the prep for it yesterday morning, didn't make a script or anything, all ad lib 02:45 Francesca do go on 02:45 Francesca oh? 02:44 cdickinson how it went still makes me laugh 02:44 Francesca stupid autocorrect 02:44 Francesca cdickinson 02:44 * Francesca sighs 02:44 Francesca how did ur presentation go dickinson? 02:43 Francesca might be something to do with the fact I have a lot of extra choir stuff this week 02:43 Francesca yeah doesn't does it 02:42 cdickinson doesn't bode well :P 02:42 cdickinson only the second week of the trimester and you're saying that 02:41 * Francesca is tired 00:02 Francesca I need to retain some of my sanity and that unfortunately means doing uni work 00:02 Francesca I have rehearsal tonight which is why I'm not coming in this afternoon 00:01 Francesca Orpheus is dave dobbins backup 00:01 Francesca u coming? 00:01 Francesca yup 00:00 wizzyrea are you singing at the capital 150 thing on saturday?