Time Nick Message 00:39 mtj hey #koha, newbie cache Q here... 00:39 mtj what might be the expected behaviour for caching, if say... memcached was accidentally not running, on a koha thats configed to use memcache 00:40 mtj ie: how does the various caching fallback code work 00:41 mtj if memcache is not available, koha::cache switches to another fallback caching method? 00:44 eythian mtj: it just doesn't use memcache 00:44 eythian it might fall back to short-term in-process caching 00:44 eythian I think it's documented in Koha::Cache 00:48 mtj ta eythian, that makes sense 00:50 mtj my holidays caching seems to be working well, with memcached off even 00:51 eythian cool 00:51 eythian I suspect that it's fast enough now that the caching makes little difference. 00:53 mtj yeah, i think you are right 00:54 mtj i need to doublecheck... but this holidays thing is faster with memcached off 00:55 eythian that can happen 00:55 eythian but, do a few thousand runs and average that 00:57 jcamins ... and remember that caching is about scaling and not speed most of the time 01:05 mtj aah, after checking... using memcached is a tiny bit faster 01:05 eythian jcamins makes an excellent point 01:06 eythian to be honest, unless it was making a real slowdown, I'd leave caching in place until proven otherwise. 01:07 mtj hmm, i def. have no intention of removing caching ... anywhere 01:08 mtj and yes, great point jcamins 01:29 wizzyrea I wonder why the installer needs a "finish button" and then a redirect screen. Seems superfluous. 01:30 wizzyrea "mouth hole" 01:31 wizzyrea this makes me giggle. 01:31 eythian pie socket! jeez! 01:32 eythian wizzyrea: well, tell jen, maybe she'll fix it for us (and yeah, it's a little silly) 01:32 wizzyrea mm there are other things that require attention 01:33 wizzyrea and that's not technically OPAC 02:28 eythian not sure if it'll ever be useful, but every time you update a record in elasticsearch, a counter gets incremented: "_version" : 2, 02:28 eythian (you can't ask for version 1 though, it doesn't work like that.) 02:33 eythian also, automatic updating and deleting of records in ES when they're changed in koha now works :D 02:33 rangi nice! 02:44 wizzyrea eythian++ 02:44 wizzyrea it doesn't keep the revisions though? 02:44 eythian it doesn't 02:44 eythian it's not really its job 02:44 wizzyrea koha does, I guess. 02:44 eythian yeah 02:45 wizzyrea I really wish we could make that more useful. 02:45 wizzyrea the cataloguing log. 02:45 wizzyrea like, instead of keeping the whole record 02:45 wizzyrea just keep the diff. 02:46 eythian hmm 02:46 eythian that can get complicated 02:46 eythian to go back to an arbitrary point, you have to play back all the inverse diffs 02:47 eythian having a diff tool would probably be better 02:52 wizzyrea true 02:52 wizzyrea a tool would be nice though. 02:52 wizzyrea like wikipedia. 02:52 wizzyrea "compare revisions" 03:17 rangi http://apps.getpebble.com/en_US/application/55a814b60dc1ceb35f000003 03:18 wizzyrea oooooo 03:19 wizzyrea a+ nice 03:42 cdickinson rangi: your dedication is inspiring 04:09 mtj amazing rangi :) 04:09 mtj i finally submitted my fix for the slow holidays - bug 14522 04:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14522 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Use Koha::Cache for accessing single_holidays() 04:10 mtj ..a nice way to end a friday arvo 04:14 mtj there is one weird thing i have yet to click too, tho.. 04:15 mtj the number of calls to single_holidays() are quite different 04:16 mtj before is 739, after is 368 04:20 mtj aaah, i see :) 04:20 mtj http://x1.kohaaloha.com/i/nyt-bz14522-before/home-mason-g-k-3-20-x-Koha-Calendar-pm-1485-line.html#237 04:21 mtj ..739 is the number of call made in that {..} block 04:21 mtj 739 62.3s if ( $self->single_holidays->contains($localdt) ) { 04:21 mtj # spent 55.1s making 368 calls to DateTime::Set::contains, avg 150ms/call 04:21 mtj # spent 7.27s making 368 calls to Koha::Calendar::single_holidays, avg 19.7ms/call 04:21 mtj # spent 16µs making 2 calls to DBI::common::DESTROY, avg 8µs/call 04:21 mtj # spent 4µs making 1 call to DBD::_mem::common::DESTROY 04:23 mtj whew, all good 04:26 mtj damn, those pebbles look fun 06:19 drojf morning 06:19 * magnuse waves 06:19 magnuse moin drojf 06:20 drojf hei magnuse 06:21 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 06:21 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 19.0°C (7:50 AM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 06:21 * cait wavs 06:21 drojf hi cait 06:22 drojf looks like it is getting hot again 06:23 drojf to the lake for a swim before work… yay or nay? 06:24 cait nay i am afraid 06:24 cait some coworkers go during lunch break 06:25 drojf if i had a waterproof notebook i could work there… on a rubber boat 06:26 drojf that would be the best office ever 06:26 cait lol 06:41 magnuse @wunder boo 06:42 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 06:43 * magnuse thinks people should stop complaining about the heat and book holidays in northern norway ;-) 06:44 magnuse bonjour sophie_m 06:44 cait :) 06:48 reiveune hello 06:48 wahanui privet, reiveune 06:51 magnuse bonojur reiveune 06:52 reiveune salut magnuse 06:53 sophie_m hello magnuse 06:53 sophie_m hi #koha 06:54 sophie_m magnuse: what a wonderful idea (about holidays) :) 06:57 magnuse do a google image search for "lofoten", for example :-) 06:57 magnuse or "northern norway beach" 07:00 fridolin hie 07:01 magnuse bonjour fridolin & lari 07:07 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:07 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 22.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 07:07 gaetan_B hello 07:07 wahanui que tal, gaetan_B 07:07 drojf magnuse: not complaining :) but i would love a some northern norway too 07:08 drojf we should have an arctic kohacon 07:22 magnuse drojf: oh yes, definitely! 07:22 magnuse lofoten would be an awesome place for it 07:23 magnuse except noone could afford to come... 07:23 magnuse midnight sun hackfest 07:25 drojf that would be awesome 07:26 magnuse :-) 07:26 magnuse in a year or two i might have my head sufficiently above water to organize something like that... 07:27 drojf yay \o/ 07:28 drojf i would be willing to help :) if i won't go crazy over organizing the berlin hackfest :D 07:29 drojf we should have one with midnight sun and one with aurora borealis ;) 07:37 drojf [off] i did not know koha is (or was) also a brand for watches http://www.ebay.de/itm/Koha-Euromatic-Herren-Automatikuhr-1975-mit-ETA-Kaliber-2783-gebraucht-/201320391168?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item2edfa16200 07:37 magnuse drojf: let's talk after berlin :-) 07:39 magnuse wb cait 07:39 cait wb magnuse 07:42 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:42 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 25.3°C (9:42 AM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 07:42 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:42 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 23.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 07:42 drojf you win ;) 07:42 cait hmpf 07:43 drojf is the translation server broken or is it just me? 07:43 drojf does not open 07:43 cait just you 07:43 cait currently looking for a string there 07:44 drojf it loaded now, but it took > 1 minute 07:44 drojf probably it had to find your string before serving me a page :P 07:45 cait hm now it showed me a server error - you broke it 07:45 drojf i downloaded the help file. i will translate it offline i guess 07:45 cait marc has been doing some work too 07:45 cait maybe email him if you want to upload later 07:45 drojf i thought he is on holiday 07:46 cait it just showed mverron when i looked 07:46 cait for the last to edit 07:46 cait i can't find the string 07:46 cait it's "Titel" 07:46 cait used in x records 07:46 cait *gah* 07:46 drojf that's not now vacation works ^^ 07:46 drojf how 07:46 cait don't tell me, innocent this time 07:48 drojf i have poedit. is there something better i should be using? 07:56 drojf i take that as a no ;) 07:57 cait in don't know of something better 07:57 cait drojf: can you do me a favour and use poedit to find my string? 07:58 cait it's in opac-authoritiesdetail and should just be "Titel" 07:58 drojf where? 07:58 cait but i think we can't translate it better probably :( 07:58 cait verwendet in 4 titel 07:58 cait plural singular problem 07:58 cait and the 4 is linked so it breaks the string 08:02 drojf i did not find it for that file Oo 08:02 cait weird 08:03 cait i have filed bug 14556 08:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14556 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve translatability of strings including links 08:03 drojf there is one for opac-authoritiessearchresultlist 08:04 drojf opac-auth-detail.tt ? 08:04 cait hm maybe? 08:04 wahanui maybe is a momentaneous error 08:04 cait some weird magic 08:04 drojf also opac-auth-MARC-detail 08:05 drojf MARCdetail even. that should be it then i guess 08:05 cait hm don't think it is 08:05 cait looking at the 'normal' view 08:06 drojf so we have opac-auth-detail and opac-authoritiesdetail? that would be funny 08:06 drojf or is auth authentication here? 08:07 cait i donT want to know 08:07 cait but maybe 08:07 cait for the first 08:14 magnuse drojf, cait: i use Lokalize to good effect (on Ubuntu) 08:15 drojf oh sorry, typo. there is NONE for opac-authoritiessearchresultlist :) 08:15 drojf cait 08:15 drojf magnuse: thanks, will have a look 08:16 magnuse it sometimes makes some good suggestions 08:16 magnuse unlike poedit, it does not warn very clearly about mismatched %s'es 08:17 drojf i like openweathermap.org, but it switched to "very heavy rain" again for berlin. the same happened the last time it was hot :/ 08:18 drojf looks like it does not expect temperatures above 25° ;) 08:23 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:23 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 25.5°C (10:23 AM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 08:23 cait feels warmer i can tell you 08:24 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:24 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 08:24 drojf coming closer ;) 08:24 drojf but feels cool. hehe 08:34 cait hmpf 08:34 cait ;) 08:41 xekhz hello ppl 08:41 xekhz good day 08:46 magnuse hi xekhz 08:46 magnuse @wunder boo 08:46 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 08:48 xekhz http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14527 08:48 huginn` 04Bug 14527: normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , zebra error 114 when searching for items added before or after a specific date 08:48 xekhz in the koha demos in unimarc always fails but in marc21 always suceed 09:22 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 09:22 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 27.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 09:25 drojf @wunder konstanz 09:25 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 25.7°C (11:25 AM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 09:25 drojf ha 09:25 drojf :D 09:25 * drojf wins 09:26 cait lol 09:26 drojf [off] lake office it is :) 09:47 drojf later #koha 10:05 cait guess he was serious about the lake :) 10:29 xekhz can anyone help me with this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14527 10:29 huginn` 04Bug 14527: normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , zebra error 114 when searching for items added before or after a specific date 11:12 magnuse wow, on current master i get this ugly error after a failed login: Template process failed: file error - parse error - /home/magnus/scripts/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/nb-NO/modules/opac-auth.tt line 58: unexpected end of input at /home/magnus/scripts/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 121. 11:12 magnuse anyone else seeing that? 11:13 magnuse to test: log in to the opac with a wrong combo of username/password 11:17 magnuse gah, only happens with nb-NO, not en 11:54 cait @wunder Konstanz 11:54 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 29.8°C (1:54 PM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 12:25 magnuse flagsrequired => { borrow => 1 }, 12:26 magnuse what decides if a user has the borrow flag? 12:27 magnuse i have a user i imported with the svc extension added by eythian in bug 13607, but that user is denied access to some of the tabs in the opac, after logging in 12:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13607 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Patron management API 12:28 magnuse specifically yhe ones that have flagsrequired => { borrow => 1 }, as far as i can tell 12:29 cait magnuse: hm we removed it now i thought 12:29 cait the whole permission 12:29 cait maybe there is some overlap with eythian's api patch - the perm shouldn't exist any longer 12:31 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 12:31 mtompset @seen khall 12:31 huginn` mtompset: khall was last seen in #koha 6 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <khall> I didn't mean to pqa that one 12:31 khall yo 12:31 mtompset It's Friday. ;) 12:31 mtompset bug 10276 12:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10276 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Patch doesn't apply , Extend IndependentBranches to support groups of libraries 12:31 magnuse cait: ah hah 12:32 mtompset Greetings, khall magnuse. 12:33 khall thanks for the reminder mtompset! 12:33 khall good mornin all!~ 12:33 magnuse hiya mtompset and khall 12:33 * cait waves 12:34 mtompset Greetings, cait. :) 12:34 mtompset And khall, regarding bug 9021... 12:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers 12:34 * cait declares it to be too hot to think 12:34 magnuse cait: actually, it's the ill code from ptfse that is a bit behind master, and that i am trying to build on 12:35 mtompset Some of them have a 'Cancel' button, which acts like a 'Back'. 12:35 khall do go on 12:35 mtompset (or link) 12:35 khall mtompset: can you point me to one? That way I can replicate the style 12:36 mtompset Let me see again... 12:36 * mtompset goes looking. 12:43 mtompset library and groups, item types, AV new category, AV new AV, Patron attribute types, (strangely) library transfer limits, cities and towns, ... - cancel link. 12:44 mtompset I could keep going, but the whole cancel link idea seems there. 12:57 mtompset Have to run. 12:57 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 13:34 kivilahtio have a great weekend #koha! 14:40 fridolin sse u 15:01 reiveune bye 15:30 barton hey, I just had a brainstorm ... one of the things that slows down support and development on Koha is creating test plans... I wonder if there's something that we could do to make that process easier... a 'record' button or something. 15:49 dani good morning! 15:49 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one 15:50 dani I have a general question if someone can answer concerning Bugzilla and how open source/Koha community works 15:52 dani rangi can you answer a question about Bugzilla procedure? 15:52 pianohacker dani: it's currently pretty early saturday for him, but we can take a shot at your question :) 15:53 dani I talked with a gentleman at a conference yesterday who claims he was denied an Bugzilla account to create bugs, saying he was not authorized to report bugs. Are there such restrictions? 15:54 pianohacker dani: My very off-the-cuff the guess is that he may have been misled by the security bugs stuff: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/enter_bug.cgi 15:54 pianohacker besides that, I can't think of anything 15:55 dani I told him that I didn't know of any restrictions but I could check. 15:55 dani that is possible pianohacker 16:09 gaetan_B bye 17:27 drojf evening 18:14 * druthb waves to talljoy 18:14 talljoy hiya druthb!!! 18:14 druthb :) 18:15 druthb How'd you like that "Tall Girl Problems" comic? 18:15 pianohacker druthb! 18:15 pianohacker hallo 18:15 druthb pianohacker! 18:15 wahanui I HATE ALMOST EVERYTHING 18:15 druthb wahanui: druthb? 18:15 wahanui She's really more trouble than she's worth, you know? 18:15 druthb mhm. 18:18 pianohacker druthb: blame eythian for that one... 18:19 druthb What, the "I HATE…" ? 18:19 pianohacker yeah 18:19 pianohacker kiwi smartass 18:19 * druthb knows who's to blame for the "more trouble than she's worth." 18:19 pianohacker heh 18:19 druthb lol… 18:19 pianohacker druthb: I'm not sure how you can be so confident that that was any particular person ;) 18:20 druthb wahanui: eythian is a kiwi smartass, or so pianohacker says. 18:20 wahanui ...but eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem.|an expert bot trainer|<reply>go back to bed, eythian|Time's Person of the Year for 2006.... 18:20 druthb wahanui: eythian is also a kiwi smartass, or so pianohacker says. 18:20 wahanui okay, druthb. 18:20 druthb lol 18:20 drojf eythian? 18:20 wahanui eythian is a kiwi smartass, or so pianohacker says. 18:20 pianohacker excellent 18:21 drojf must be true if a bot says it 18:21 * pianohacker nods sagely 18:21 druthb pianohacker: "the rest is left as an exercise for the student." Think about it a moment, and you'll figure out how I know who did that one. 18:21 pianohacker heh 18:21 druthb There are two possible answers, and "she read the log" is not the one I used. 18:28 wnickc why does borrower_message_transport_preferences exist? 19:08 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 19:08 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 29.0°C (8:50 PM CEST on July 17, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 19:55 drojf mango ice cream and translating koha, it's a winning combination 22:08 drojf @later tell cait ist verschmelzen (statt zusammenführen) von dir, oder ein swissism? 22:08 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded. 22:11 drojf aaand team german wins again :P 22:19 pianohacker noooo, not the zusammenführen! 22:20 pianohacker sil vous plait por favor not the zusammenführen 22:26 drojf lol