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02:54 eythian > State: The selected country doesn't require 'state' field <-- well that's unusual, but pleasant.
03:06 AmitG hi all
03:07 AmitG heya rangi
03:26 jcamins rangi: are there any CI tools other than Jenkins that you like?
03:26 jcamins Actually, better question:
03:26 jcamins rangi: are there any CI tools that you like?
05:25 mtj hey #koha, i need someone to give me a brainslap
05:26 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=t/Calendar.t;h=8648968e000ec942eab1ad771eab969a1506e994;hb=HEAD#l119
05:26 mtj can someone explain to me why that test would pass?
05:26 mtj oops, wrong test
05:26 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=t/Calendar.t;h=8648968e000ec942eab1ad771eab969a1506e994;hb=HEAD#l113
05:27 mtj my $single_holiday = DateTime->new(
05:27 mtj year => 2011,
05:27 mtj month => 6,
05:27 mtj day => 1,
05:27 mtj ); # should be a holiday
05:27 mtj .
05:28 mtj why would 2011/06/01 be a holiday... its a wednesday
05:29 mtj ah, i see now :)
05:29 mtj its defined a bit before, in the test :)
05:29 mtj 69 { # single holidays
05:29 mtj 70 statement => "SELECT day, month, year FROM special_holidays WHERE branchcod
05:29 mtj e = ? AND isexception = 0",
05:29 mtj 71 results => [
05:29 mtj 72 [ 'day', 'month', 'year' ],
05:29 mtj 73 [ 1, 6, 2011 ], # single holiday
05:29 mtj 74 [ 4, 7, 2012 ]
05:30 mtj 75 ]
05:30 mtj 76 }
05:30 mtj 77 ));
05:30 mtj .
05:30 mtj all good :0)
06:25 * magnuse waves
06:26 magnuse mtj: quack quack
06:26 magnuse :-)
06:26 * mtj ducks
06:38 reiveune hello
06:39 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:40 reiveune salut magnuse rangi :)
06:58 Joubu Bonjour #koha
07:07 magnuse hiya Joubu
07:21 Joubu Does someone have the same issue as bug 2422?
07:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2422 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED , Cataloging searches with more than 1 page results show blank pages after page 1
07:23 gaetan_B hello
07:24 AmitG hello gaetan_B
07:28 magnuse Joubu: bot of the links in comment #1 http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2422#c1 work for me
07:28 huginn` 04Bug 2422: major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED , Cataloging searches with more than 1 page results show blank pages after page 1
07:29 magnuse the title of the bug says "Cataloging searches" but the links in the comment are for the opac?
07:29 Joubu magnuse: yes, the library fixed the problem on their production server
07:29 magnuse ah, ok
07:30 Joubu the only info he got : launch a search at the opac, see page 2: it should be a blank page
07:31 magnuse works for me: http://sksk.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=peace&offset=20&sort_by=relevance 3.20.1
07:32 Joubu yes, same here. On the example, there is a trailing whitespace in the search, but it does not change anything for me
07:32 magnuse also with marc21: http://hylte.bibkat.se/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=norge&offset=20&sort_by=relevance
07:32 magnuse same for me
07:44 Joubu magnuse: thanks for having tested! :)
07:46 magnuse np
08:17 drojf morning #koha
08:29 drojf maybe that is a stupid question, but what happens when upgrading from 3.18 to 3.20 and moving from OpacItemHolds & AllowOnShelfHolds as sysprefs to circulation matrix settings? won't that break everything if you used those sysprefs?
08:41 rangi naw, it shifts them
08:41 rangi if (C4::Context->preference("AllowOnShelfHolds")){ # Pref is on, set allow for all rules $dbh->do("UPDATE issuingrules SET onshelfholds=1");
08:42 rangi etc
08:42 * mtj waves to #koha
08:42 drojf ah excellent, thanks rangi
08:44 mtj Joubu, rangi - i have a date problem you might know
08:44 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=t/Calendar.t;h=8648968e000ec942eab1ad771eab969a1506e994;hb=HEAD#l221
08:45 mtj if $dt is '2012-07-03'..
08:45 mtj adding 1 day to it.. would make it '2012-07-04'
08:47 Joubu mtj: Why do you want to use C4::Calendar? :)
08:47 mtj but that test expects '2012-07-05', not '2012-07-04' - why?
08:48 Joubu mtj: Prefer Koha::Calendar->addDate
08:49 Joubu mtj: You mean the test does not pass for you now?
08:49 * indradg wave to @koha
08:52 mtj hey Joubu, yeah... does not pass now?!
08:52 magnuse indradg: there is only one koha ;-)
08:52 indradg lol
08:53 Joubu mtj: on master, prove t/Calendar.t returns success for me
08:54 mtj yes, me too... but why does it pass?
08:55 mtj the real reason i ask.. is i made some caching changes to Koha/Calendar.pm - and this test broke..
08:55 mtj so, did i just fix a bug?.. or have i introduced a new bug?
08:56 mtj '2012-07-03' is a tuesday
08:57 mtj $dt = dt_from_string('2012-07-03','iso');
08:57 cait morning #koha
08:58 mtj hiya cait
08:58 mtj my $one_day_dur = DateTime::Duration->new( days => 1 );
08:58 Joubu I suppose the day between was an holiday
08:58 Joubu the 2015-07-04
08:58 Joubu which is known as holiday in US ;)
08:58 mtj Joubu: ahh yes :)
08:59 Joubu mtj: see the mock at the beginning of the file, line 69
08:59 mtj i see it
09:00 cait rangi: still around?
09:04 rangi yup
09:04 cait ah cool :)
09:07 drojf there is no way to make a category (in circulation matrix) or an item (by general itemtypes setting or item data in cataloging) available for on-site checkout only, correct?
09:07 cait not currently
09:07 mtj thanks for your help Joubu
09:07 drojf thanks
09:07 cait there is a patch from joubu introducing some limits i think
09:07 cait something with quota?
09:07 drojf i thought there was a magazinausleihe-related bug, but i can't find it
09:08 cait depends on what you are thinking of :)
09:08 * cait needs more keywords
09:08 drojf not sure what i have in the back of my head heh :D need caffeine to get really started
09:09 drojf i will get back to you once i am fully awake ;)
09:10 cait ok
09:11 Joubu drojf: bug 14045
09:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14045 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Add specific quotas to on-site checkout
09:11 drojf the quota bug is only about a separate value for allowed on-site checkouts, independent of regular allowed checkouts i think?
09:15 Joubu drojf: What would you like?
09:16 cait drojf: could you set regular to 0 allowed and then allow onsite?
09:16 Joubu From the commit msg: In order to keep the existing behavior and to let more flexibility, a new system preference is added (ConsiderOnSiteCheckoutsAsNormalCheckouts). This syspref will let the liberty to the library to decide if an on-site checkout should be considered as a "normal" checkout or not.
09:16 Joubu I think the pref answers your need
09:17 cait sorry but i don't understand what it does :(
09:17 drojf Joubu: yes, that is how i understood it, thanks :) i was looking for something different. "(10:07:06) drojf: there is no way to make a category (in circulation matrix) or an item (by general itemtypes setting or item data in cataloging) available for on-site checkout only, correct?"
09:18 drojf cait: i think that could be a workaround if the quota patch was per category, which i think it is not
09:19 Joubu Patron category: "OnSiteOnly", itemtype "all", checkout allowed: 0, onsite checkout allowed: 42
09:19 cait so what does the pref do?
09:19 drojf it would make more sense to have on-site checkout like we have notforloan
09:19 Joubu It does not what you want?
09:21 drojf hm. i think patron category: all, itemtype <single item type>, checkouts allowed 0, onsite checkout allowed: 42 would work
09:24 drojf i will try, thanks Joubu and cait
09:26 Joubu cait: I don't know how I can explain better :-/ If On an on-site checkout is considered as a normal checkout.
09:27 cait hum.
09:27 Joubu if considered as normal, the number of total checkouts = normal checkout + onsite-checkout
09:27 Joubu otherwise they are independent
09:27 cait hmm
09:28 cait i thik the name is a bit confusing then
09:28 Joubu sorry :-/
09:28 cait because it only applies for the total of possible checkouts
09:28 cait i'd have thought ok, then i can renew it the same way... it will use the loan period etc.
09:29 Joubu no, only for the number of checkouts allowed
09:31 indradg cait, Joubu: one of my sponsoring clients has an "on-site checkout" requirement. A research library in rare books and manuscripts (400 - 500 years old). The items are not for circ in traditional sense. but they have users to request from the opac and the librarians / archivists sometimes bring up the item from storage / closed stacks. these items they are planning to track with on-site circ
09:31 cait maybe need a better name
09:33 Joubu it needs qa :)
09:37 drojf Joubu: when i apply the patch, i have a small conflict: HEAD has use Test::More tests => 13; your patch has use Test::More tests => 11;
09:37 drojf should i leave 13 or increase it when i rebase? (not sure what it does)
09:38 Joubu maybe more :)
09:39 Joubu tests have been added to master, and my patch adds some too, so the number of tests is certainly > 13
09:40 drojf that's what i thought :) i really need to learn how tests work ;)
09:46 mtj peeps, what TZ would you expect Koha's datetime objects to be using?
09:46 drojf that of the server?
09:47 mtj sure, thats what im thinking too
09:47 mtj i think rangi said as much yesterday even
09:48 drojf maybe that's a problem for hosting international clients on the same server
09:48 drojf so I'd charge them extra to have a server in their time zone :P (or ask them to fund TZ by instance/branch in koha) ;)
09:49 mtj ^ yes, its always been a know problem so far
09:49 mtj afaik
09:50 Joubu mtj C4::Context 783 >---my $tz = $ENV{TZ};
09:50 magnuse maybe bywater has some experience with that?
09:50 mtj im bumpng into some subtle bugs with comparing datetime objects, with different TZs
09:50 drojf TZ by patron would be fun too
09:50 Joubu Il could be easy to change it with my $tz = C4::Context->preference("tz") || $ENV{TZ}
09:50 Joubu and add a new pref
09:51 mtj im comparing dates using epoch strings, so my problem is accute
09:51 mtj i see some DT objs are ...
09:51 mtj tz DateTime::TimeZone::Floating,
09:52 mtj some are ...
09:52 mtj tz DateTime::TimeZone::Pacific::Auckland,
09:53 mtj 2012-07-03 can be many epoch values, depending on its TZ
09:53 mtj ..for example
09:54 mtj im guessing i should be checking that my DT objs are the same TZ before comparing them
09:54 drojf floating is… local time of the client?
09:55 mtj hmm, not quite sure yet drojf
09:56 mtj i have seen a recent BZ about 'Floating' being used for performance
10:00 mtj soo.. im guessing the trick is to convert a DT obj to your TZ, before comparing it
10:05 mtj an example of this mismatched date/tz bug is..
10:05 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=t/Calendar.t;h=8648968e000ec942eab1ad771eab969a1506e994;hb=HEAD#l188
10:06 mtj $test_dt and $later_dt are compared - but they have mismatched TZs
10:11 mtj drojf: http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-TimeZone/lib/DateTime/TimeZone/Floating.pm
10:12 Joubu The problème with the TZ is that DateTime should know the DST and calculate them (if there is comparition, or add_duration, etc.)
10:12 Joubu For instance if you instanciate a date far in the future (9999), it will calculate all the DST, if a TZ is given
10:13 Joubu mtj: there is a trick in Koha::DateUtils, to return, in a few case, a floating DT: If the object has not been instanciate with the TZ (there is an eval somewhere)
10:14 Joubu There is a good explanation of what is a floating time, and when you should use it
10:14 Joubu I think it's in the doc of DateTime
10:15 Joubu https://metacpan.org/pod/DateTime#Floating-DateTimes
10:15 mtj thanks Joubu
10:17 cait mtj: did you see pianohackers patches for the calendar?
10:17 Joubu mtj: and this one http://www.w3.org/TR/timezone/#floating
10:17 cait bug 11211
10:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Move calculation code out of C4::Calendar
10:20 mtj hum, no i missed that bug ^
10:21 cait i haven't taken a closer look at the code, so not sure if it already takes some things into account that you are working on
10:21 Joubu mtj: yes, as I said before, please avoid to use any subroutines/methods from C4::Calendar or C4::Dates
10:22 mtj Joubu: yep, afaik ... i am not
10:23 mtj cait: 11211 looks to be a different fix
10:23 cait it's a rewrite
10:28 mtj my changes are just to Koha::Calendar::single_holidays() (and friends)
10:28 mtj ..so, hopefully the changes wont clash
10:29 cait hm any ideas on how to do a tooltip/mouseover thing in opac with jquery?
10:29 cait mtj: cool
10:31 mtj http://www.w3schools.com/bootstrap/bootstrap_popover.asp
10:31 mtj cait? ^
10:32 cait not sure if we are using tha tyet
10:34 mtj our bootstrap is too old?
10:35 cait i dn't know
10:37 cait the data-toggle doesn't seem to work in thte opac
10:39 mtj http://getbootstrap.com/2.3.2/javascript.html#popovers
10:43 mtj fyi cait, i see bs popover is used in...
10:43 mtj ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/basket/basket.tt
10:43 cait i think something similar is also used behind the digest icon in the patron account mess prefs
10:44 cait but i can't get it tow ork in the opac
10:44 cait i give up for now - don't have the time to spend on this right now
10:44 cait but thx!
10:44 mtj np, perhaps the opac is missing some needed BS files
10:45 mtj bootstrap-popover.js ?
11:20 mtj some good news... switching to 'Ymd' from epoch strings fixed the failing tests
11:21 cait drojf: translation time!
11:21 drojf cait: there is a lot of odd stuff in 3.20 translation
11:21 cait i think thatis because they changed the default includes for the header
11:21 cait mostly $s changes
11:22 cait in the title line
11:22 cait the patch aleisha did
11:23 cait we really need to check the po files in the end
11:25 magnuse could we maybe split the title lines at ›? seems like that would save us some repetitive translations
11:25 magnuse like when we have
11:25 magnuse Koha › Tools › Labels
11:25 drojf new functionality stuff has a lot of errors. maybe some are because of what you say, i tried to fix some weird word orders. but also things like… "on shelf holds allowed" > "Keine Vormerkung verfügbarer Titel erlaubt", so it's the opposite?
11:25 magnuse Koha › Tools › Labels › Label printing/exporting
11:25 drojf cait:
11:26 drojf oops
11:26 drojf cait ^^
11:32 cait drojf: ok, that's strange
11:32 cait maybe it's because of the suggestion feature
11:32 cait tries to give you a translation - and it's wrong?
11:32 cait as long as those are fuzzy we don't have a problem yet
11:33 drojf it's not fuzzy, it's like that in 3.20.1
11:33 drojf i fixed it now
11:33 drojf or, some time ago today
11:35 drojf we need a test workflow for when we are done with translations. check all new features at least for a main release. i'm sure there are a lot more problems, i have not even used it much and found several
11:39 drojf not sure if we want to use the wiki, the translation list or something else, but i think we should think about some translation things and organise that somehow. like further unification of terms we use. i often find small inconstistencies. like
11:39 drojf Stapellöschung von Exemplaren
11:39 drojf Stapelbearbeitung von Exemplaren
11:39 drojf Stapellöschung von Titeln
11:39 drojf Stapelbearbeitung von Titeldaten
11:39 drojf why is it titeln once and titeldaten the other. and why is it titel if it is about titel and exemplare
11:39 drojf things like that
11:40 drojf unfortunately these cannot be found while working in pootle, unless you want to follow every single word in koha simultaneously
11:40 drojf and it is very annoying to fix it later one by one with pootle search
11:42 drojf so i'd rather keep notes of such problems and then fix them in the po files from time to time (maybe at string freeze, before we start with new translations)
11:42 drojf is this thing on? *taps mic*
11:45 AmitG hi indradg_
11:57 drojf lol. i'm sure the paper bin in label printing is not a papierkorb but a fach
12:03 cait lol
12:03 cait yep
12:03 cait i thought i had fixed that...
12:09 AmitG heya cait
12:14 * magnuse wanders off
15:18 reiveune bye
16:07 gaetan_B bye
16:37 Joubu Could you be a little more quiet please?
16:47 nengard ha
16:47 nengard shhhhh
16:48 * Joubu is hidden behind his screen
16:48 Joubu sorry
16:52 pianohacker Joubu: yo, I had discussed with cait the possibility of bringing in Rancor (bug 11559) as an experimental dev as long as it was hidden behind a system preference and didn't break the rest of Koha. That was what the latest version of the patch series and the newest test plan was supposed to ensure. Does that seem reasonable?
16:52 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface
16:52 cait heh
16:52 cait you always make that sound like i gave you a green go in card ;)
16:52 cait i said after it passed qa :P
16:53 Joubu pianohacker: of course, if it works, I don't see any reason to block it :)
16:54 pianohacker cait: I know, my wording is bad
16:54 Joubu Green is better than red
16:54 pianohacker indeed!
16:54 cait guess it's kind of yellow right now :)
16:55 Joubu pianohacker: I'll happy to review it again when it will be SO
16:56 pianohacker well, and that's the thing that I _think_ cait and I were trying to negotiate
16:56 pianohacker is the signoff that it doesn't break Koha or that some brave soul actually did the whole test plan I posted?
16:56 cait pianohacker: no way around a sign off, sorry
16:57 cait i'd also accept a group working out a google doc together testing different things i guess
16:57 cait as long as some serious testing takes place
16:57 cait and it's documented
16:57 Joubu I'd like to see a unimarc librarian to validate it
16:57 pianohacker *sigh* okay, so we're in exactly the same situation we were around the time of the hackfest
16:57 pianohacker I'll start sending chocolates
16:57 pianohacker :P
16:58 pianohacker (not to you, but to testers :))
16:58 Joubu pianohacker: I promise to be reactive when it will be my turn
16:58 Joubu pianohacker: try the ML! and ask for unimarc testers
16:58 pianohacker and you've been very helpful so far, the UNIMARC stuff had some hidden bugs
17:03 Joubu Well, beer time here, bye #koha!
17:03 cait enjoy :)
21:18 bag cait: HI THERE
21:19 cait hi there back
21:21 drojf nobody hi theres me
21:21 cait HI THERE drojf
21:21 cait better? ;)
21:21 drojf oh hi there cait! that was unexpected :)
21:23 cait lol
21:24 drojf hungry. but also lazy. that must be how cats feel all day
21:24 drojf oh, i wonder how cemetarycat is doing
21:25 cait ?
21:26 pianohacker drojf: what was the twitter for that guy?
21:26 drojf https://storify.com/thejduce/ryan-rob-rescue-a-kitten
21:34 indradg__ cait++ #13993backport :)
21:35 cait only asking for it :) decision is up to maintainers
21:35 indradg__ true
21:36 indradg__ wizzyrea++ :D
21:37 wizzyrea cemetarycat was caught, was at the vet yesterday
21:37 wizzyrea no chip
21:37 wizzyrea they named her Wednesday
21:37 drojf now you tell me, after i scrolled through the whole storify thingy :)
21:38 wizzyrea oh sorry, spoilers
21:38 cait hmpf
21:38 cait i was only at the backup!
21:38 drojf ouch
21:39 magnuse HI THERE drojf
21:39 drojf i had to see if moreporks really exist. i am very happy to tell you that it is called Neuseeland-Kuckuckskauz in german :)
21:40 magnuse bag: HI
21:40 bag magnuse: knuckles >>>>>>>>
21:40 drojf kuckuckskauz is my new favourite german word
21:40 cait so many k
21:40 drojf hei magnuse :)
21:40 magnuse bag: <<<<<<<<<<
21:41 cait why are you leaving merge markers on irc?
21:42 * cait fails qa
21:43 pianohacker trailing whitespace ->
21:44 magnuse the horror...
21:45 pianohacker btw -> http://blog.yesmeck.com/archives/use-git-pre-commit-hook-to-check-unwanted-trailling-whitespace/
21:45 pianohacker has already saved my bacon once
21:46 rangi or you have this
21:46 rangi to fix up http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/12/15/fixing-whitespace-when-apply-patches-with-git/
21:47 rangi which i do for new people (cos failing a new devs patch cos of tabs, or whitespace or something ... is just a really really bad idea )
21:48 magnuse kia ora rangi!
21:48 * magnuse wanders off into dreamland
21:49 rangi hey magnuse :)
21:49 rangi sleep well
21:49 pianohacker rangi: that only works for am/apply , correct? Not for commit?
21:49 rangi yep, its for fixing other peoples mistakes, not stopping your own
21:49 rangi so both is good :)
21:50 pianohacker cool, okay
21:53 rangi that is my most read blogpost
21:53 rangi it must come up in google searches
21:53 drojf [off] if all locations i asked about rooms for a hackfest say yes, we can have about 1,5 kohacons there instead :P
21:53 rangi heh nice
21:54 cait lol
21:57 drojf that said, how many people were at the last kohacons? are there numbers available?
21:57 rangi it goes up and down
21:57 rangi there was about 120ish in argentina
21:57 cait i'd say between 80 and 150?
21:58 drojf excellent
22:09 drojf [off] i emailed both people listed for the thessaloniki bid about a detailed proposal page 5 days ago, but they have not answered yet. :/ we vote in september, right?
22:10 cait yep
22:10 cait we will see
22:10 drojf ah yes it is on the page i have open. lol
22:10 drojf i should probably go to sleep :P
22:11 rangi id like to be able to put some money into their economy
22:11 drojf now i saw there is no detailed proposal for the philippines either, the links are just generic
22:11 rangi *nod*
22:15 cait they put up some nice information
22:15 cait just not haven't been around yet
22:16 eythian hi
22:21 * drojf watches junk mail getting desperate
22:22 drojf 1) never lose your keys ever again 2) never lose your keys, wallet or purse again 3) never lose anything again
22:22 drojf lol
22:23 drojf and i am asked to enlarge my business now. long gone the times of enlarging my penis
22:23 wizzyrea a thing that has changed my life
22:24 wizzyrea is my pebble watch, which has a toggle to make my phone beep even if it's silenced so I can find it in my house.
22:24 wizzyrea worth every penny.
22:24 cait heh, for a moment i was worried
22:24 pianohacker drojf: are you sure that's not just a very sophisticated euphemism
22:24 drojf pianohacker: OH. maybe
22:24 drojf lol
22:24 pianohacker hahahahahaha yeah that was some entertaining timing wizzyrea
22:25 pianohacker drojf: 'cause if there's something spammers are known for it's sophisticated euphemisms
22:25 wizzyrea oh my
22:25 wizzyrea we were talking about losing things!
22:26 pianohacker HAHAHAHAHAHA
22:26 pianohacker *snort*
22:26 * wizzyrea is probably a bit redfaced atm
22:26 drojf pianohacker: actually, no. it is from india and about "real" business
22:26 drojf lol
22:27 pianohacker ah, the internet, when a German and American can collaboratively embarass an American living in New Zealand
22:27 cait lol
22:27 * cait sends cookies to wizzyrea
22:28 wizzyrea lol thanks
22:30 eythian this place seems ... empty
22:30 drojf wizzyrea: apparently it is a phone app, so the only thing you cannot find with that is your phone :D
22:30 eythian wahanui: welcome back
22:30 wahanui I hate jetlag.
22:30 drojf and thank you all for making me actually read those emails :P
22:30 eythian wahanui: neat is <action> tips out the ice, starts over.
22:30 wahanui OK, eythian.
22:30 wizzyrea I am so confused.
22:30 wizzyrea :)
22:31 pianohacker eythian: oh you: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Terminology&diff=14992&oldid=14981
22:31 eythian pianohacker: :D
22:31 cait ah yeah... someon eplease fix that
22:31 cait to not confuse the non-english speakers
22:31 * cait glares at eythian
22:31 ibeardslee hehe
22:31 eythian really, it should be the reverse because that's spoken by more people.
22:31 eythian cait: it provides an example
22:31 cait eythian: you can submit a patch
22:32 pianohacker cait: I think the wiki after your small addition is okay :)
22:32 cait thx pianohacker
22:33 pianohacker since apparently you get rid of a few u's and everyone loses their minds :P
22:33 eythian cait: it's like you have Chinese (Traditional) and Chinese (Simplified)
22:34 pianohacker there wasn't an insane dictator behind this one, but it's a funny parallel besides that :)
22:35 eythian wahanui: us english is http://i.imgur.com/kn488mY.jpg
22:35 wahanui OK, eythian.
22:35 wizzyrea steam++ that is doing it right.
22:36 eythian pianohacker: there kinda was, there was one guy who wrote your dictionary and decided to settle on particular spellings.
22:37 eythian (I actually have a book about the writing of the English dictionary, it's a surprisingly good read.)
22:37 eythian http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25019.The_Professor_and_the_Madman <-- that's the book
22:38 pianohacker I was about to blame Webster for cocoa, but apparently that was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dictionary_of_the_English_Language
22:38 pianohacker I'll have to check that out
22:38 eythian > The printing of Johnson's dictionary ran together the entries for coco and cocoa, fostering a confusion that never has been undone.
22:38 eythian haha
22:40 eythian https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/20367632-robin-sheat <-- relatedly, in case anyone else uses this
22:40 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwPM-1LSpLk <-- coco
22:42 eythian (I do need to clear off my "currently reading" list, it's getting slightly unweildy.)
22:44 pianohacker outta here, back later
22:44 eythian http://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html
22:46 rangi very cool
22:52 drojf good night #koha