Time Nick Message 01:45 mtj_ hey #koha, do people prefer the raw or telnet transport flavour, for 3M self-checks? 01:45 rangi neither 01:46 rangi but the 3m machines seem to crash less with raw 01:47 mtj_ a perfect response rangi :) 01:49 mtj_ https://www.facebook.com/SweetReleaseCakesandTreats/photos/a.191626394380175.1073741829.166890036853811/331558143720332/?type=1 01:49 rangi heh 01:49 mtj_ i love the mahara cupcakes :0) 01:50 rangi you saw the koha ones eh? 01:50 mtj_ hmm, perhaps...no?! 01:50 rangi https://www.flickr.com/photos/4nitsirk/16105131067/in/photolist-qxa1nz-qqjWBX-ayNnFS-qx8CKa 01:52 BobB cool, rangi 01:52 BobB Kristina +1 01:53 mtj_ truuley awesome 01:55 dcook hehe 03:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 04:06 * eythian remembers that if you don't update the changelog, you don't get the right package out the end. 04:07 eythian after getting the wrong versioned package 04:25 mtompset doh! :) 04:35 mtompset eythian: Want to see something ugly? Read C4::Input and look for C4::Context->prepare 04:35 mtompset found that while looking at bug 9006 04:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9006 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , autoload in C4::Context is a bad idea 04:37 * eythian wonders what 'infl' is supposed to stand for 04:39 eythian but yeah, that's some weird code there. It shouldn't have to check the database for existance, that's not the role of a function called that. 04:40 mtompset input field? :) 04:42 eythian I suppose it could be. 04:42 mtompset Anyways, I should sleep. I was rather pleased coming up with a shorter/cleaner way of doing the same thing Joubu did to confirm that intranetdir was the only autoload. 04:42 eythian cool 04:43 mtompset Have a great day, #koha eythian :) 05:22 * Oak waves 05:23 * cait waves 05:23 Oak hey cait. breakfast done? 05:23 cait not yet 05:23 Oak hmm 05:23 Oak what are you doing now? 05:24 cait waking up mostly :) 05:24 cait bbiab 05:24 Oak :) 05:25 eythian hi cait, hi Oak 05:26 Oak hello Mr. Robin! 05:26 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:26 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on May 04, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling). 05:27 eythian hmm, needs the probability of earthquakes in there too I reckon. 05:27 Oak and sea levels too, perhaps. 05:30 Oak what do i need to read/study/explore to be able to update that wiki page properly? : https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2015-May/042654.html 05:30 Oak I'll read and learn, just need to be pointed in the right direction. 05:31 eythian hmm. Some of the files in the etc directory. I'd grab a keyword out of there like 'Related-periodical' and see which files it shows up in. 05:31 eythian I want to say it's something like ccl.properties, but I might be wrong there. 05:31 eythian dcook is the expert here ;) 05:31 Oak hmm. cool. 05:32 Oak i'll ask him when he 05:32 cait Oak: maybe look at how to add a new index 05:32 Oak 's around. 05:32 cait there are pages for that 05:32 eythian if you find the file, it should become fairly obvious 05:32 Oak hmm. okay cait. i'll check that out. 05:32 cait because some of the index have multiple names - a short form and a long one - you will need to look at 3 files 05:32 Oak i see. cool. 05:33 cait hm maybe 2 is enough 05:33 Oak i think this will help as well: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing 05:33 Oak it mentions ccl.properties just like eythian said. 05:33 Oak cool. 05:33 cait yes, but don't look at record.abs 05:34 Oak okay. 05:34 cait it's used for grs1 indexing and we have deprecated that 05:34 Oak cool. got it. 05:35 cait you propbably want this one 05:35 cait /etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 05:36 Oak ooh yes cait. just opened that file. this looks like it. 05:36 Oak thank you! 05:37 dcook Who, wha? 05:37 dcook Quiet all day then heaps of text :p 05:37 eythian what'd be awesome is having a table that the files are generated from that also generates the documentation. 05:37 Oak hello dcook, the expert dude. 05:38 dcook What's the question? 05:38 wahanui the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" 05:38 * dcook thinks wahanui is a jerk 05:40 Oak we should replace him with a cyborg. girl. 05:40 eythian wahanui: boten anna 05:40 wahanui http://youtu.be/E7iU0GGVco8 05:46 Oak :) dcook question was how i update this wiki page http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/kohasearchindexes.html properly... where to learn about all the indexed fields. and Mr. Robin and Katrin were helping me with that. 05:47 dcook Oh my... 05:47 Oak Katrin said to look here /etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml and Mr. Robin said about ccl.properties and some files in /etc/ directory 05:47 * dcook ponders 05:47 dcook ccl.properties will probably be your best bet 05:48 Oak cool :) 05:48 dcook Oh... but yeah you'll need to look at /etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml too 05:48 dcook Actually, I'll just look and tell you rather than guessing myself 05:48 Oak :) got it. 05:49 dcook "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml" will tell you which MARC fields/subfields are mapped to what indexes, which appears to mainly be what you want 05:49 dcook But ccl.properties includes aliases for those indexes, which you'll want to include as well 05:50 dcook bib1.att will show you how the bib1 attributes are mapped to the indexes. 05:51 Oak *now* i get the significance of your earlier "oh my" :) 05:51 Oak dcook++ 05:51 dcook hehe 05:51 dcook If I recall correctly, Koha sends CCL queries to Zebra 05:52 dcook Well, it uses a ZOOM perl function to translate CCL to PQF for Zebra 05:52 dcook The bib1 attributes are part of PQF 05:53 * eythian & 05:53 dcook So in ccl.properties you might see something like: 05:53 dcook "Title-uniform 1=Title-uniform" 05:53 dcook later eythian 05:53 dcook "Title-uniform 1=Title-uniform" means... 05:53 Oak hmm 05:54 dcook <Alias> 1=<english index name mapped to bib1 attribute in bib1.att> 05:54 dcook Sorry, that's probably overwhelming 05:54 dcook I'd look at "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml" 05:55 dcook Then "ccl.properties" 05:55 dcook Here's another example 05:55 dcook From "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml": 05:55 dcook <index_leader xmlns="http://www.koha-community.org/schemas/index-defs" offset="6" length="1"> 05:55 dcook <target_index>rtype:w</target_index> 05:55 dcook </index_leader> 05:55 Oak nah. it's cool. i did not want to interrupt. :) 05:55 cait someon opposed to deleting this file? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/templates.readme;h=2a48ed50bac6653fa9b5d52b6efc625156c453fb;hb=93c875f603e60d17403673de3214decd73356823 05:55 dcook So that means it's the 6th character in the leader with a length of 1 05:55 dcook It's indexed in "rtype" 05:56 dcook So on http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/kohasearchindexes.html, you might type "leader06" "rtype" 05:56 dcook However, if you look in ccl.properties... 05:56 dcook You'll see the following: 05:56 dcook rtype 1=1001 05:56 dcook Record-type rtype 05:56 dcook mc-rtype rtype 05:56 dcook mus rtype 05:56 dcook So really that should be... 05:57 dcook "leader06" "rtype, Record-type, mc-rtype, mus" 05:57 dcook (bib1.att comes into play if you want to double-check that 1001 does in fact map to the "rtype" mentioned in "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml") 05:58 Oak got it. 05:58 dcook \o/ 05:58 Oak dcook++ 05:58 dcook :) 05:58 Oak \o/ this helps a lot, thank you! 05:58 dcook If you ever want to read Zebra docs, you can also look here: "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml 05:59 dcook Ack 05:59 dcook http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/ 05:59 cait we should probably clean the wiki up a bit at some point 05:59 Oak cool. got it. 06:00 dcook I think I wrote a little blog post about it a while ago... but it's possibly wrong and definitely out of date: https://tech4lib.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/zebra-indexing-bib-1-attributes-ccl-and-more/ 06:00 dcook I mostly just use that as a little online notepad for myself.. 06:01 dcook This can also be useful for understanding ccl.properties: http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#CCL 06:01 * Oak copy pasting things dcook said in a text editor 06:01 dcook hehe 06:01 Oak :) 06:01 dcook I keep meaning to do a comprehensive but clear explanation in the wiki one day 06:01 dcook Too many things to do 06:01 dcook For instance, I really should pop around to the post office 06:01 dcook Ciao for now! 06:02 Oak thanks dcook! see you later. 06:03 * Oak wonders what was the last time he went to a post office.... 06:36 reiveune hello 06:43 * magnuse waves 06:49 cait bbiab 06:55 magnuse bgkriegel++ for bug 7939! 06:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Separate po files for different MARC dialects 06:59 * magnuse waves again 06:59 alex_a bonjour 07:03 magnuse @wunder boo 07:03 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on May 04, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 07:04 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:04 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on May 04, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 07:04 magnuse :-O 07:04 dcook @wunder syd 07:04 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Bardwell Park, Sydney, New South Wales is 19.9°C (5:04 PM AEST on May 04, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 07:04 * dcook waves also 07:04 dcook 81%... no wonder my house is still wet from the storm.. 07:12 magnuse ooh, happy star wars day, #koha! 07:22 gaetan_B hello 07:24 marcelr hi #koha 07:25 cait morning #kha 07:26 cait morning #koha 07:31 magnuse Oak 07:31 Oak magnuse 07:32 Oak got a light? 07:33 magnuse at least the sun is shining 07:33 kivilahtio Does anybody know if someone has already developed a simple Item editing view with limited permissions. 07:33 cait yes 07:33 kivilahtio We need an interface to rebarcode very quickly a lot of Items, and do some simple operations such as change the collection code and shelving location and notforloan-status 07:33 Oak tch tch. ruined it. i meant like a lighter or match to light a cigarette. 07:34 cait kivilahtio: you can create a new account for that and use the restricted item edit permission 07:34 kivilahtio without giving staff the cataloguing-Zedit_items-permission 07:34 kivilahtio cait: in which version is that? 07:34 cait i think 3.18 07:34 kivilahtio cait: any idea how to find it from bugzilla? 07:34 cait it's a permission + syspref with the fields you are allowed to edit 07:35 kivilahtio but it still lodas the horrendously slow catloguin/edit-interface? 07:35 cait well... yes 07:35 kivilahtio ok :) 07:35 kivilahtio I'll cook another interface then. 07:35 kivilahtio cait: thanks for the tip! 07:36 cait bug 7673 i think 07:36 kivilahtio the problem is not the interface but the horrible load times on it, it is just silly 07:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New patron permissions to manage items (edit, batchmod, delete all) 07:36 cait makes sense, you could do a plugin 07:36 kivilahtio hmm 07:36 kivilahtio cait: plugin you say? 07:37 kivilahtio I am not familiar with the plugin system 07:37 cait just thinking that could be a use case for one 07:37 cait and will make it easier for ou to maintain 07:37 cait maybe 07:37 kivilahtio cait: thanks, ill try reading the documentation 07:37 cait i think there is a new page on the wiki 07:37 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_plugins 07:54 drojf morning #koha 07:59 magnuse Oak: sorry about that. yes, i do have some matches on top of the spice cupboard on the ground floor 08:05 magnuse the wiki should have a "how to write a koha plugin" page... 08:07 drojf magnuse: you got the job :) 08:08 magnuse drojf: thanks 08:08 magnuse ;-) 08:08 magnuse then i just need to figure out how to write them 08:08 magnuse well, i should do that anyway, but no time this side of summer, probably 08:08 cait i think there was some documentation somewhere... maybe in the bug report - or it's 'in the kitchen sink' plugin 08:14 magnuse yeah, i have a hunch there was something somewhere, but i can't really recall 08:14 magnuse i think the kitchen sink plugin was meant to demonstrate everything a plugin could do 08:15 cait @later tell khall - we are looking for documentation on how to write plugins - can yu help us out? :) 08:15 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded. 08:16 Oak :) 08:21 magnuse ooh, http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/ lists a cover flow plugin! 08:24 magnuse http://bywatersolutions.com/2014/08/18/koha-coverflow-plugin/ - how did i miss that? 08:25 mveron Hi #koha 08:28 magnuse hiya mveron 08:29 mveron hiya magnuse 08:29 mveron ...and everybody :-) 09:03 magnuse tjänare Viktor 09:09 Viktor Hej Magnuse! 09:09 Viktor Möte just nu med xarragon :) 09:12 * cait waves 09:12 magnuse :-) 09:37 mveron Hi cait :-) Bug 14128 09:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14128 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Capitalization: Guided Reports - step 2 - Build A Report 09:39 magnuse mveron++ 10:03 cait i saw :) 10:03 cait you beat me to it ;) 10:07 mveron You can QA it then... :-) 10:09 cait true .) 10:15 * mveron would like to see Bug 13813 moving on, it's signed-off. It is a first step to finally resolve Bug 12072 10:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P3, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system 10:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , New dateformat dd.mm.yyyy 10:52 cait mveron: i am only lookign at bugs for now - i think that bigger change is not for 3.20 10:52 cait better to have it early in 3.22 maybe 11:45 * mveron is back from lunch... 11:46 mveron cait: That's OK, I just wanted to be sur that it moves on... 12:30 tcohen morning! 12:31 tcohen hi cait 12:32 cait hi tcohen :) 12:32 cait mveron: i am interested in seeing it moving too :) 12:33 mveron European woes... 12:42 tcohen @seen ashimema 12:42 huginn` tcohen: ashimema was last seen in #koha 3 days, 6 hours, 45 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <ashimema> HBC? 12:42 tcohen @seen akafred 12:42 huginn` tcohen: akafred was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 30 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <akafred> #vote yes 12:57 barton @seen dcook 12:57 huginn` barton: dcook was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 52 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <dcook> 81%... no wonder my house is still wet from the storm.. 14:52 drojf i just did a fresh installation of koha-common 3.18.06.3 and some of the sample data is missing. no news, no libraries, no patrons, no holidays… 14:52 cait drojf: weird 14:52 cait the german or the english ones? 14:52 drojf english 14:52 cait missing from the installer list of options? 14:53 drojf yes 14:53 drojf and missing afterwards in the instance too, of course 14:53 cait hm weird 14:53 cait the files are there? 14:54 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14011: Make the jQuery selector explicit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=721b37c9d94d8ed5345f8d9ed50257e4b9644e57> / Bug 14011: Triggering slip print with enter key collides with 'barcode submitted' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=da36c55bb2ad3bc12c1f82f9751a043666897a95> / Bug 13810: DBRev 3.19.00.037 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a= 14:56 drojf cait: you mean the sql files? i think they are there. like /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/en/optional/sample_libraries.sql 14:57 cait and the .txt file too? 14:57 drojf yes 14:57 cait ugh no idea then :( 15:00 tcohen hi drojf 15:02 drojf hi tcohen 15:06 drojf after removing the instance, when i try to create another one, i get "Koha requires mpm_itk to be enabled within Apache in order to run. Typically this can be enabled with: sudo a2enmod mpm_itk". nothing like that when i first created an instance 15:08 * Oak waes 15:08 Oak right 15:12 drojf apparently koha-remove did not remove the symlink in apache2/sites-enabled 15:19 drojf ok what i think has happened is: i logged into the staff client for web installation, accidentally rejected the cookie and after choosing the installation language, had to log in again. i accepted the cookie but somehow this screwed up the web installer. 15:19 drojf it is all there now 15:48 Mex Hello 15:48 wahanui hi, Mex 15:48 Mex hello wahanui 15:49 Mex excuse me, I have a problem with my Koha system 15:49 wahanui Mex: We need a licensed electrician to replace the light bulbs in the computer room. 15:50 Mex : O 15:50 cait Mex: wahanui is a bot - don't let him scare you away 15:50 cait he reacts to certain keywords 15:50 cait wahanui botsnack cookie 15:50 wahanui thanks cait :) 15:51 Mex ok 15:51 cait i have to go - but someone else might be able to help you 15:51 Mex someone can help me with a problem indexing my Koha 15:51 cait just ask your question, if someone has an idea they usually speak up 15:52 Mex indexing problem 15:54 reiveune bye 15:59 Mex Hello 16:03 Oak hello Mex. what version Koha and and on What flavor of Linux have you installed? 16:07 Mex ok 16:07 Mex centos 6.6 system koha version 3.16 16:23 gaetan_B bye! 17:28 magnuse hei eskaaren 17:28 eskaaren hei magnuse 17:29 magnuse it's nice how many people there are here from the nordic countries now :-) 17:31 magnuse hm, did someone suggest a feature that would make it possible to always see who was the last person to borrow a book? 17:31 cait yes 17:31 cait magnuse: there isa bug for that from kyle 17:32 cait bug 9011 17:32 wahanui i guess bug 9011 is quite large too 17:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item 17:32 * cait pretends it's friday and is making pizza today 17:34 magnuse thanks cait, i found it too :-) 17:35 magnuse woohoo for pizza! 17:35 cait :) 18:01 eskaaren about the perl modules listed under "about koha -> perl modules" 18:01 eskaaren Graphics::Magick seems like it is missing on cpan? 18:02 eskaaren Im installing on SLackware and have it working, but that module is not installed.. 18:16 mtompset mveron: *ping* 18:16 mveron pong 18:16 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:17 mtompset So, shall you or I take 14138? 18:17 mveron i mtompset :-) 18:17 mtompset Do you have something ready? :) 18:19 mveron I'm doing some research on it. I think the best way is to have some pre-tests on create-pdf.pl and generate a error mesage instead of a pdf file. 18:20 mveron While looking at the code I saw that there are problems with e.g. Layout.pm, it returns not undef when the Id is not found. 18:20 mtompset Sorry for finding ugliness. :) 18:21 mveron So before doing 14138 I'd like to fix this first, otherwise the pre-tests are not easy to do 18:22 mveron I propose that I do some more research and then comment on the Bug 14138 18:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14138 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patroncard: Prevent errors if create-pdf.pl gets wrong parameters 18:26 mveron Hmm, there is a problem with Pofile.pm as well, I deleted all profiles from the datebase and now get crashes when I invoke Manage profiles. 18:27 mtompset At least you're thorough in your testing. :) 18:27 mtompset mveron++ # for your thoroughness. :) 18:27 mveron :-) 19:01 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10388: Does not display 'null' after editing an item on receiving <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=65405c5a96207623b3b30997b7c93f02fbcfe2f7> / Bug 12412: Add ability for plugins to convert arbitrary files to MARC from record... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca167b32b49979b7883f7874461ba66a1ca74f3e> / Bug 13421: DBRev 3.19.00.038 <http://git.koha-communi 19:06 tcohen bye #koha 19:07 cait bye tcohen :) 19:42 * chris_n notes we've added a new dep PDF::FromHTML 19:43 cait yes we did 19:43 cait it will be packaged - but isn't yet 19:43 chris_n the web upgrade needs to run the dep checker 19:43 chris_n its probably ok if one is running packages 19:43 cait hm yeah 19:43 chris_n but not if one is running git 19:44 cait could be a nice enh 19:44 chris_n I can't see what added it 19:44 cait also for the remaining tarball users 19:44 chris_n do you know offhand? 19:44 cait discharge 19:44 chris_n there is a mess of different pdf modules 19:55 misilot does anyone use any Z39.50 sources for finding things like calculators, google cardboard, laptops, laptop chargers, HDMI cables, etc? (And will to share? ) 19:55 cait we have libraries circulating things like that - but they create the records themselves 19:55 cait I can't really imagine a remote one for those things really 19:56 misilot cait: thanks :) figured it was a longshot, but the worst I can be told usually is no :) 19:56 cait :) 20:04 cait eythian: ping me when you are around please? 21:04 rangi morning 21:04 cait morning rangi 21:22 wizzyrea I'm curious why we need all the different pdf modules 21:32 mveron Ha, Bug 14143 took me hours... For one Line... 21:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14143 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron cards: Crash (confusion between table names creator_templates and club_template_enrollment_fields 21:33 cait wow 21:33 cait wonder when that crept in 21:34 wizzyrea mveron: you know what they say, the last thing you try is always the thing that fixes it. 21:34 cait mveron: hm i wonder 21:34 cait is itpossible you only got this table becuase of testing kyle'sfeature? 21:34 cait i think it's not in koha yet 21:35 cait the book club feature 21:35 mveron cait: That's possible... 21:36 mveron It was / is waiting until new tables with _template in their names show up. 21:37 cait yeah 21:39 mveron wizzyrea: ...and then they ask you what you did the whole day... 21:39 wizzyrea I think there is one single thing that annoys me most about bug fixing work - and that is that there is an expectation that you actually know what you're looking for at all times. 21:40 wizzyrea otherwise, I really like tracking down problems 21:40 wizzyrea (and the resultant expectation that you can find and fix any bug quickly) 21:40 mveron Yeah, it is kind of sudoku... 21:53 * mveron says good night / daytime to everybody... 21:53 mveron quit 22:02 eythian hi 22:02 wahanui hola, eythian 22:04 eythian today's fact: monorails were originally horse-drawn. 22:07 * wizzyrea grumbles that the list view doesn't count the 008 in the copyright date sort. 260 only. 22:08 cait ew 22:42 eythian mtj_: are you going to pull the jessie support patches into 3.16? 23:06 dcook wizzyrea: But the 008 isn't a copyright date O_o 23:07 dcook Actually, maybe in one case it might be 23:07 wizzyrea the sorts for publication/copyright/date 23:07 wizzyrea are all. kinds. of. messed. up. 23:07 wizzyrea because marc is dumb. 23:07 dcook Well, it was also implemented pretty strangely in Koha :S 23:07 dcook But I agree that MARC is dumb 23:08 wizzyrea and because every field but the 008 is freetext. 23:08 dcook Nah, there's also the 000, 006, 007 23:08 dcook :p 23:08 rangi for dates? 23:08 rangi not really 23:08 eythian wahanui: be hal 23:08 wahanui eythian: huh? 23:08 dcook Ah, I meant fixed length 23:08 eythian wahanui: be hal is <reply>The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. 23:08 wahanui OK, eythian. 23:08 dcook But yeah the dates are weird 23:08 eythian wahanui: be hal 23:08 wahanui The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. 23:08 rangi you can only reliably sort on 008 for date 23:09 dcook I think MARC21 defaults to putting the publication date in the copyrightdate 23:09 wizzyrea ^^^^^^^^^^ 23:09 rangi because like wizzyrea said the rest are full of shit 23:09 dcook Yeah, because 260 is as transcribed 23:09 rangi like c 1990 23:09 rangi 198? 23:09 rangi 1985- 23:09 rangi and other crap 23:09 dcook Actually, the 008 can have crap too 23:09 dcook That could be 198u 23:09 dcook :( 23:09 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd008a.html 23:09 dcook Or 1u80 23:09 * dcook shudders 23:10 wizzyrea anyway, it's bad, annoying, very not good. 23:10 rangi yep 23:10 * dcook concurs 23:10 rangi and with all the RDA work 23:10 wizzyrea *sobs* 23:10 rangi they just made it worse 23:11 * dcook double concurs 23:11 rangi bibframe will probably end up using emoji for dates 23:11 dcook hehe 23:11 dcook Wait, I'm not sure whether I should laugh or cry... 23:12 wizzyrea http://s374.photobucket.com/user/Maximumride/media/RainingDrWho.gif.html 23:13 wizzyrea ^ MRW people tell me about date sorting 23:13 dcook hehe 23:13 dcook That's my reaction in regards to all things search 23:14 dcook Especially use of double quotations marks in search queries 23:14 * dcook is going to go have a quick little win to distract himself from the big things 23:14 * wizzyrea needs one of those. 23:15 dcook Local bug tracker? 23:47 dcook Hmm... 23:48 dcook I don't suppose anyone knows if turning off "noItemTypeImages" breaks the edit item types html page? 23:48 dcook Looking at 3.14.5 and it's a bit of a hot mess 23:48 dcook Will have to try to remember to look at master after I fix the bug at hand.. 23:49 wizzyrea I do not know. 23:49 dcook In that case, I'll look later :) 23:49 dcook I'm sure it must be rare for folks to turn off item type images.. 23:50 wizzyrea maybe? 23:50 wahanui well, maybe is a momentaneous error