Time Nick Message
23:00 cdickinson that would upset me too... though only Windows gives me such troubles
22:59 cdickinson I think there was a file she was trying to open and it wasn't working
22:59 cdickinson lol
22:56 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
22:56 eythian @later tell marcelr http://localfocus2.appspot.com/55250e091cd5a ... I see you're having problems over there.
22:55 eythian people often say that after I say 'hi'
22:52 wizzyrea i feel like I'm losing my mind
22:36 eythian hi
21:39 wizzyrea gnite cait
21:37 cait night
21:33 wizzyrea aha, well glad you got that sorted then :)
21:19 thd wizzyrea: I had discovered why everything else appears incorrect in navigation but this had me stumped until cait noticed the commonality of wiki page and category names.
21:17 thd wizzyrea: I had wondered about the issue for years without spending enough time to address it properly.
21:16 wizzyrea Ah.
21:14 thd Actually, changing capitalisation should be enough for a workaround.
21:09 thd The page rename will entail a link from the old name.
21:08 thd I will try renaming the wiki page sharing the same name as the category as a workaround for the time being.
21:06 thd wizzyrea: The problem is that if the category is then applied manually to the affected wiki pages, the category is redundantly repeated.
21:05 thd wizzyrea: In the Koha MediaWiki installation, if you create a wiki page with a particular name and a category with exactly the same name, any pages linked from the wiki page with the name have the category applied to them automatically.
21:02 thd Hmm, the explanation might actually be different on closer examination.
21:00 cait i don't understand either, but glad you found out what you needed to know :)
21:00 thd cait+++
20:59 wizzyrea I am glad you understand what you just said there, thd.
20:59 wizzyrea just saw something about a typo
20:59 thd cait: You found the solution. The namespace distinction between wiki pages and categories with the same name is not being respected for category assignment to wiki pages as interpreted by Category Breadcrumb and possibly other aspects of our wiki installation.
20:59 cait i think it was a typo that got fixed
20:59 wizzyrea yeah
20:59 cait from the meeting?
20:59 wizzyrea was there something on the website that needed fixing?
20:58 cait hi wizzyrea
20:55 wizzyrea hi
20:55 wizzyrea hi
20:35 thd I will try toggling the categories in the page to see if the namespace difference between wiki pages and categories is not being respected.
20:34 thd Thanks cait
20:34 thd cait: Maybe you have found the problem.
20:33 thd You can remove all categories from a page and disable the CategorySelect extension or examine the source without a login and yet the mysterious assignment persists.
20:32 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings is a page with that title
20:32 magnuse sorry goota put kiddo to bed
20:32 magnuse yeah, i would think it was done manually
20:32 thd cait: Yes, but checking it is redundant with the mysterious automated assignment.
20:32 cait so i might have done it manually, not sure about an automatism
20:31 cait hm i think i used to set that - by checking it
20:31 thd cait: Yes, certainly one of the categories. The mysterious part is that the category has been applied to the page automatically without there being any evidence of automatic invocation in the pages themselves.
20:31 cait actually,... i should sleep instead :)
20:30 cait like a backlink?
20:30 cait hm could that happen by listing them on the page automatically?
20:30 thd magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Category:IRC_Meetings&diff=1048&oldid=23
20:29 cait or not sure, thought it was one of the categories
20:28 cait hm i think not mysteriously
20:26 thd fetching example
20:26 thd magnuse: Yes, the problem which I have been trying to solve is that all IRC meeting pages in the wiki have the category 'IRC meeting' applied mysteriously.
20:25 magnuse got an example? where did i use it?
20:25 thd magnuse: Yes that seems reasonable.
20:25 magnuse thd: lol. i did that?
20:24 magnuse thd: if i recall correctly, that would be substituted with the name of the current page
20:24 thd magnuse: I am merely trying to understand what you were trying to do in when you used such syntax in 2010.
20:24 thd magnuse: Do you know what the purpose of the use of the MediaWiki magic word 'PAGENAME' would have?
20:24 magnuse thd: what are you trying to do there?
20:24 * khall has to run! later all!
20:23 thd magnuse: [[Category:whatever parentcategory|{{PAGENAME}}]]
20:23 magnuse community++
20:22 khall thanks to everyone who's donated so far! You all rock!
20:22 thd magnuse: You may have some special insight about the following MediaWiki syntax.
20:22 magnuse and don't forget https://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop
20:21 magnuse cait++
20:21 magnuse thd: barely :-)
20:21 Teejay Good nite
20:21 cait and for helping me out here and there :)
20:21 thd magnuse: are you still here?
20:21 davidnind cait++
20:21 * Joubu is going to eat...
20:21 cait thx all for attending
20:21 ColinC thx
20:20 Joubu thanks cait
20:20 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015.2015-04-08-19.05.log.html
20:20 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015.2015-04-08-19.05.txt
20:20 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015.2015-04-08-19.05.html
20:20 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 20:20:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
20:20 cait #endmeeting
20:20 cait thx everyone!
20:20 cait #agreed next meeting is going to be Wednesday, May 6th - 10 UTC
20:20 khall lol
20:20 davidnind fine with me http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+IRC+General+Meeting&iso=20150506T10
20:20 thd 10 UTC is early for me but that is fine.
20:20 talljoy not i
20:20 cait i think everyone has fallen asleep by now :)
20:20 cait ok
20:19 thd I favour the suggestion.
20:19 cait thd: not sure what time that is for you -- do you disfavour the suggestion?
20:19 cait Please indicate if this time and date are ok for you: Wednesday, May 6th - 10 UTC
20:19 thd I disfavour late afternoon or evening times for the first Wednesday of the month.
20:18 cait ok
20:18 Joubu 18 March 2015 was at 10:00 UTC
20:18 Joubu yep
20:18 cait i am not sure
20:18 thd Would that be 10 UTC?
20:18 Joubu yep
20:17 cait that would be a wednesday again
20:17 cait may 6th?
20:17 cait #topic Set time for next meeting
20:16 cait #agreed We agree on the list of names with 9 votes yes - no 'no' or other votes
20:16 cait hm
20:16 cait #agreed 9 votes yes - no other votes
20:15 cait hm he is alive
20:15 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
20:15 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #92: "<schuster> Why even learn when there is a genius in the room..." (added by jwagner at 01:43 PM, August 27, 2010)
20:15 gmcharlt @quote random
20:15 davidnind #showvote
20:15 cait i count 9
20:15 * cait glares at huginn
20:15 cait hm
20:15 huginn` Voted on "Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page?" Results are
20:15 cait #endvote
20:13 cait #info the listed names at this point are: Brendan Gallagher, Galen Charlton, Bob Birchall, Romana Franziska Wallner
20:13 cait getting a bit late here :)
20:13 cait thx magnuse, yes
20:13 cait #vote yes
20:13 magnuse and the names are: Brendan Gallagher, Galen Charlton, Bob Birchall, Romana Franziska Wallner - unless i am mistaken?
20:12 davidnind #vote Yes
20:12 thd #vote Yes
20:12 Joubu #vote yes
20:12 magnuse #vote Yes
20:11 akafred #vote yes
20:11 ColinC #vote Yes
20:11 khall #vote Yes
20:11 talljoy #vote Yes
20:11 cait not sure i phrased that well, hope you all know what i meant
20:11 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
20:11 huginn` Begin voting on: Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page? Valid vote options are Yes, No.
20:11 cait #startvote Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page?
20:10 cait maybe needs to be a question?
20:10 cait hmm
20:10 huginn` Unable to parse vote topic and options.
20:10 cait #startvote vote yes if you agree with the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page, please.
20:09 cait i found it
20:08 cait thx davidnind :)
20:08 cait and does someone remember the command? :)
20:08 cait any veto on having a vote?
20:08 khall yes
20:08 cait khall: is this just general agreement to the names listed so far?
20:08 davidnind this has been fixed
20:08 cait thx Joubu
20:07 Joubu it seems to be fixed
20:07 cait quick survey - do people agree to have a vote?
20:07 Joubu cait: I think it was a typo on the bug number 12954
20:07 davidnind http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_11_march_2015.2015-03-11-10.02.log.html 10:15:53
20:07 cait #Topic Next steps in Fundraising
20:07 cait we will just consider it done i guess :)
20:07 cait ok
20:06 cait does someone remember the typo? :)
20:06 khall np!
20:06 cait khall: ah sorry, we can switch the topic back in a moment
20:05 cait the second... i don't remember what it was about
20:05 khall cait: would a vote of approval be appropriate?
20:05 cait first hasn't been done yet, but rmaints might hold it until shortly before release, not sure
20:05 cait someone to fix typo on http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/
20:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12954 is not accessible.
20:04 cait mtj and slef to backport bug 12954 if no-one does it faster
20:04 cait I see on the logs from last meeting:
20:04 khall If everyone approves of the names on the list, bag will tall for a meeting next week to get the committee moving forward
20:04 cait #topic Actions from last meeting
20:03 cait moving on?
20:03 cait np :)
20:03 khall I'm afraid I'm not aware of that one way or the other
20:03 cait khall: do you know of the mou signing has been done?
20:02 magnuse yay!
20:02 cait #info we got 4 volunteers!
20:01 khall Brendan believe this is enough to get things moving and he's glad to have everyone on board!
20:01 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising
20:00 khall I know that there have been 4 volunteers
20:00 khall lol
20:00 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;)
20:00 talljoy khall?
19:59 cait is someone here to talk about the progress on this?
19:59 cait #topic Next steps in Fundraising
19:59 wahanui i heard next topic was a tricky one...
19:59 cait next topic?
19:58 cait #action thd to put a call for bids on the mailing list at the beginning of next week
19:58 cait thx thd
19:58 cait thx thx
19:58 thd I intend to create a page and put a call on the mailing list at the beginning of the week.
19:57 cait start
19:57 cait not sure solicit = stat?
19:57 thd They were in the last meeting.
19:57 cait #info from last meeting's logs: AGREED: solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September (slef, 10:43:22)
19:56 cait date for proposals i mean
19:56 cait does someone have a link?
19:56 cait actually not sure - i thought we had set dates
19:56 cait drojf: ?
19:56 cait #topic KohaCon16
19:55 Teejay Thank you so much
19:55 cait moving on?
19:55 cait thx for giving us an update :)
19:54 Teejay Other arrangements are progressing
19:53 cait anything else should add to the meeting logs?
19:53 cait #info international participants should register early to allow for enough time for visa processing
19:52 Teejay Say about a month
19:52 cait Teejay: do you know how long the visa process usually takes?
19:51 Teejay Early registration by International participants will allow for Visa processing
19:50 cait :)
19:50 talljoy yay!!
19:50 Teejay Nigerian Librarians are already registering for the conference
19:49 cait #info Call for papers - http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/call-for-papers/
19:49 Teejay We are expecting response to Call for Papers
19:48 Teejay Yes
19:48 cait Teejay: still around?
19:48 cait #topic KohaCon15
19:47 cait anything else here?
19:46 cait #info release team shaping up - still looking for translation manager, rmaint 3.16 and RM
19:46 tcohen and thanks, everyone
19:46 tcohen will read the logs!
19:46 cait but i think we will find volunteers to fill those roles
19:46 tcohen I need to leave, sorry for that
19:45 thd One wiki issue for an immutable category assignment is stumping me and I will ask about it on the mailing lists.
19:44 cait ssh huginn
19:44 cait we are missing a translation manager currently, rmaint 3.16 and RM
19:44 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13939: ILS-DI function GetServices doesn't work when the item/biblio is available... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bde795f8fa488a2284d1d23667fb489bea6343f9> / Bug 13800 - Diacritics not mapped <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e136b4f9fc58ebdb10fdb7b465467cffd032169> / Bug 6950: Hide the resort option when searching for a tag <http://git.koha-community.
19:43 tcohen yeah, thanks everyone
19:43 thd I am about to add a reordered version of my previous revised proposal for wiki curator, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Wiki_Curator_3.20_Thomas_Dukleth .
19:43 cait lots of people have already signed up, thx everyone!
19:42 cait elections are going to be held at the next regular meeting i think - may
19:42 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.22
19:41 cait #topic Nominations for 3.22
19:40 tcohen yup
19:40 cait ok,moving on to nominations?
19:40 cait #info GBSD on Monday April 13
19:39 magnuse feel free :-)
19:39 khall heh
19:39 cait can in #info the gbsd?
19:39 cait wonder if the minutes will explode now :)
19:39 cait #info bug fixes that need sign off http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cbug_severity&f1=bug_severity&f2=bug_severity&list_id=126799&o1=notequals&o2=notequals&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=Needs%20Signoff%20[bugs]&query_format=advanced&v1=enhancement&v2=new%20feature
19:38 Joubu sorry for the ugly link...
19:38 magnuse ok, i'll announce it tomorrow
19:38 Joubu bugfixes in the NSO queue is http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&columnlist=product%2Ccomponent%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate%2Cbug_severity&f1=bug_severity&f2=bug_severity&list_id=126799&o1=notequals&o2=notequals&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=Needs%20Signoff%20[bugs]&query_format=advanced&v1=enhancement&v2=new%20feature
19:37 khall if that's enough time I say go for it!
19:37 magnuse monday 13th?
19:37 tcohen so we fill their queue
19:37 cait hmm not sure, maybe before?
19:37 tcohen magnuse: next monday?
19:37 Joubu before
19:36 magnuse i can organize a gbsd if people want - but should it be before or after the qa sprint?
19:35 wahanui i heard gbsd was Global Bug Squashing Day - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2013-11-15_Global_bug_squashing_day
19:35 cait magnuse: gbsd?
19:35 cait #action cait to send an email to the mailing list about the QA event
19:35 cait #info The QA team is going to have a 'QA sprint/QA day' on April 17 - mailing list email coming soon
19:34 cait well... our mission is to empty it out, but I hope for many sign offs before :)
19:34 cait so the mission for that is... fill up our queue!
19:34 cait I am going to send an email to the mailing list
19:34 cait we are going to have a "QA sprint" or "QA day" friday next week - 17 April
19:34 tcohen magnuse: please :-D
19:33 cait actually.. that's my third thing :)
19:33 cait one bug a day.. or every other day... that would help a lot
19:33 cait please make time
19:33 magnuse would a bug squashing day motivate anyone?
19:33 tcohen good
19:33 Joubu I think you can filter by NSO + not enh and not ft + author=me
19:32 cait 47 bug fixes
19:32 magnuse i think it was at 99, briefly
19:32 cait and we are up to almost 170 again
19:32 magnuse Joubu++
19:32 cait we had it down to about 100
19:32 cait in general the 'needs sign off' queue has grown quite a bit again since marseille
19:32 tcohen should we have a saved search for those?
19:32 cait it's awesome to see those old one finally bite the dust
19:32 tcohen Joubu++
19:32 cait Joubu++
19:31 cait #info Lots of bugfixes for old bugs <#7000 are waiting for sign off - please help get them into 3.20
19:31 cait actually that was kind of my second thing :)
19:31 cait yep
19:31 Joubu this is related to release, isn't it?
19:30 Joubu Most of them are trivial to test/qa. It could be very good to see them ready for 3.20
19:30 cait aaaah thx Joubu
19:30 Joubu I submited quite a few bugfixes for old bugs (#<7000) last week.
19:30 cait nope update on releases
19:30 Joubu still in the announcements?
19:30 cait moving on?
19:30 cait #info Times for the Dev meeting are 15 and 22 UTC
19:29 * rangi is out again
19:29 tcohen =D
19:29 cait #ageed ColinC is now able to Pass QA on SIP related patches - thx ColinC!
19:29 rangi yeah the 22UTC one is ok
19:28 tcohen unless this time works for kiwis
19:28 Joubu That's a good thing, I think only khall knows the SIP code in the QAers...
19:28 tcohen thd: 15 UTC and 22 UTC as usual
19:27 cait or does someone insist on a formal vote?
19:27 thd What are the times of the devel meeting on the 15th?
19:27 cait so i think we can have that as agreed? :)
19:27 cait heh
19:27 magnuse ColinC++
19:27 khall do first, permission later, that's my motto
19:26 cait hehe
19:26 talljoy ColinC++
19:26 cait khall: I DID check with him before ;)
19:26 khall ColinC++
19:26 cait thx a lot :)
19:26 tcohen ColinC++
19:26 cait ColinC++
19:26 akafred ColinC++
19:26 ColinC I'm ok with it
19:26 cait it's ok with him- he said :)
19:26 rangi we can decide that if he wants to we are ok with it
19:26 khall lol
19:26 talljoy heh
19:25 akafred :)
19:25 tcohen if he's not around, it is the right time to make this decision
19:25 cait he has been QA manager in the past - i think he knows what to do :)
19:25 cait to improve the situation a bit, I suggest that can ColinC can also pass QA on SIP related patches
19:24 cait one of the 'bottlenecks' in qa are the sip related patches
19:24 cait ok, I have 2 things
19:24 khall rangi++
19:24 cait tcohen++
19:24 tcohen rangi++
19:24 cait rangi++
19:23 cait #action tcohen will update the wiki about the dev meeting
19:23 rangi nothing much to report about 3.18, 3.18.6 is shaping up fine, quite a few good fixes in it, string freeze on the 15th as normal
19:23 cait ok
19:23 tcohen hi rangi
19:23 tcohen will update the wiki for the email list announcement
19:23 rangi dealing with kids
19:23 rangi only sorta here
19:22 cait #info Developer meeting, Wednesday, 15 April https://trello.com/b/dxasepwb/dev-meetings-topics
19:20 tcohen https://trello.com/b/dxasepwb/dev-meetings-topics
19:20 tcohen here goes the link
19:20 tcohen i haven't put things there yet :-D
19:19 tcohen it would be a two sessions meeting
19:19 akafred ... and a trello link
19:19 cait can i info a date and time? :)
19:19 tcohen no, I'm doing it on the Trello
19:19 Joubu with the topics you want to discuss
19:19 Joubu tcohen: Did you create the wiki page yet?
19:18 tcohen and also coordinate efforts towards making important stuff in in time
19:18 cait #info 3.20 is in good shape, tcohen is going to push more patches tomorrow
19:18 wahanui hmmm... 15th is your fault...
19:18 cait 15th?
19:18 tcohen to make a couple decisions
19:18 cait tcohen++
19:18 tcohen i'm calling for a dev meeting next wednesday
19:18 magnuse tcohen++
19:17 tcohen 3.20 is in good shape so far, I expect to resume pushing features and enhancements tomorrow
19:17 cait i think our release maintainers are not here for those 2?
19:17 cait something 3.16 or 3.18?
19:17 * cait fixes that
19:16 cait i notice i put my proposal in the wrong line :)
19:16 cait #topic Updates on releases
19:16 cait moving on?
19:16 cait #info apologies from bag for not being able to attend
19:15 cait #info khall started a gofundme to help Tomas buy a new laptop: http://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop
19:15 cait i should do infos, bad chair
19:15 cait we do :)
19:14 talljoy :-D we love you tcohen
19:14 khall Many of us ByWater folks have already chipped in. Thanks to everyone who's donated so far!
19:14 tcohen thanks guys
19:13 magnuse khall++
19:13 khall I just let him know a few minutes ago, I didn't want to surprise him *that* much
19:13 cait something else? :)
19:13 tcohen i love you folks, i'm still crying at the office, embarrased
19:12 cait khall++
19:12 khall If anyone can chip in, I'm sure it would be appriciated!
19:12 khall This was done without his prior consent or knowlege ; )
19:11 khall The second one is that I started a gofundme to help out Tomas: http://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop
19:11 magnuse get well soon, bag!
19:11 tcohen oh
19:11 cait oh, hope he feels better soon
19:10 khall First, Brendan wanted me to extend his apologies to everyone for not being able to be here today. He's out sick.
19:10 cait :)
19:10 khall I've got a couple announcements
19:09 * barton is getting visited randomly by the reboot fairy. If I disappear, it is because he/she/it is having fun at my expense.
19:09 cait #topic Announcements
19:09 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015
19:08 wahanui agenda is a wiki
19:08 tcohen agenda?
19:08 cait changing topic
19:08 cait ok :)
19:08 larryb #info Larry Baerveldt, ByWater Solutions
19:07 drojf cait: that does not help :D
19:07 barton #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville, KY, USA
19:07 magnuse #info Magnus Enger. Libriotech. Norway
19:07 Teejay #info Tunji Adepeju Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria
19:07 cait drojf: it's only 9!
19:06 akafred #info Kjetil "Fred" JD, OPL, Norway
19:06 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre
19:06 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto ByWater Solutions
19:06 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [nolonger freezing]
19:06 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany, almost asleep
19:06 talljoy #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions
19:06 ColinC #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe
19:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
19:05 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England
19:05 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
19:05 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba
19:05 cait please introduce yourself with #info
19:05 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
19:05 cait #topic Introductions
19:05 cait ah sorry
19:05 cait #introductions
19:05 thd Teejay: someone needs to issue the startmeeting command.
19:05 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015'
19:05 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
19:05 huginn` Meeting started Wed Apr 8 19:05:19 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:05 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 8 April 2015
19:04 thd Hmmm, cait maybe you should send a reminder if your posts appear in real time.
19:04 cait Teejay: one sec please :)
19:04 Teejay #info Tunji Adepeju Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria
19:04 cait we should begin?
19:04 cait anyway
19:04 tcohen Joubu: we need to talk to users to come up with the best ideas me think
19:03 cait i think only moderated if not subscribed
19:03 cait hm in my experience it's pretty fast
19:03 thd cait: The mailing list is moderated somewhat. There are no quick reminders to the mailing list unless you have the attention of a moderator.
19:02 cait so... meeting? now? :)
19:02 thd I checked for a reminder last time and thus did not send my own but forgot to look this time.
19:01 cait maybe someone could send a quick note now?
19:01 cait no reminder on the mailing list - we miss oleonard
19:01 Joubu I get a lot of silly idea tonight
19:01 cait unless my calculations are wrong... wouldn't be the first time
19:01 Joubu default value for 008 would be "?????? xxu???????eng"
19:01 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015
19:00 thd Is there a meeting now?
19:00 cait i think we should have the meeting? :)
19:00 Joubu Certainly quite tricky...
19:00 Joubu and what about add the support of regex in the fw default values?
18:59 thd We should teach all Koha cataloguers to code and all Koha programmer's to catalogue :)
18:59 Joubu there are no check on prefs
18:59 tcohen maybe we should re-engineer the plugins, so they expose their fixed lenght fields to the fw edit tool
18:58 thd Joubu: Is there a form to control input and prevent breaking the JavaScript preference?
18:58 Joubu it's not a good solution, I know. But better than a pref per subdivision of the 008 field...
18:57 Joubu thd: a tip could be added to the wiki
18:57 cait and we have a jquery library :)
18:57 Joubu thd: not in the plugin, in the js pref
18:56 cait i like Joubu's
18:56 tcohen heh
18:56 tcohen ^^^ that
18:56 thd Joubu: Certainly, however, modifying the plugin directly would be less accessible to non-programmer cataloguers.
18:56 tcohen .-P
18:56 cait hm ok, can't send email, can't get records from z39.50... after people changed security settings
18:56 tcohen Joubu: librarians don't (usually, there are exceptions) have your super powers
18:55 Joubu (or put $("#f15-17").val("XXX"); into the js pref ...)
18:55 thd tcohen: Certainly features should be created in MARC semantics [Koha marcflavor] agnostic manner.
18:53 thd A solution using existing features might be to populate some value lists and have a Koha MARC framework specified plugin use an appropriate value list with containing one element or an ordered set with a default.
18:53 tcohen (at some point)
18:53 tcohen like it happened with the XSLT funtionalities
18:52 tcohen feature-wise
18:52 tcohen my fear is that if we accept this kind of features we would leave unimarc behind
18:51 tcohen we already have DefaultLanguageField008
18:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17
18:51 tcohen cait: bug 13912
18:50 cait what do we want to do that is currently not possible?
18:50 tcohen cait: you put a default value for all your positions
18:50 cait i think i am missign something here
18:50 tcohen thd: that's what I was thinking
18:50 * cait didn't hack anything
18:50 thd tcohen: A framework specific plugin could be modified to use default values contextually. A new column might be needed to specify the default value for the framework.
18:50 tcohen i'm not sure how much would be shared between dialects
18:49 tcohen thd: does it make any sense?
18:48 tcohen cait: don't hack your own koha to do nasty things
18:48 cait i think
18:48 cait i have done that too
18:48 tcohen but we are talking about fixed lenght fields
18:48 thd Koha MARC frameworks can currently specify plugins and value lists.
18:47 tcohen cait: it works for subfields
18:47 cait i am not sure i understand, i better try to sort my brain before the meeting
18:47 cait or it's not needed?
18:47 cait i wonder why we need the pref - maybe the plugin is interfering?
18:47 tcohen thd: idiomatic issues, as usual :-D
18:46 cait you can set subfields and also control fields to a defualt value in the framework
18:46 tcohen cait: don't know what you're talking about
18:46 * thd now understands what tcohen wants.
18:46 tcohen thd: i'm thinking if we could easily extend it
18:46 cait did we try?
18:46 cait woudl that work here?
18:46 cait in the frameworks
18:45 cait hm we have a default value
18:45 tcohen thd: i know
18:45 tcohen cait: people cataloguing student thesis might want german as default, and english for book
18:45 thd tcohen: There is no provision within the Koha MARC frameworks to specify a default value for anything.
18:45 wahanui ideas are good :)
18:45 tcohen ideas?
18:44 tcohen framework-wise :-P
18:44 tcohen then have a more general "default country"ç
18:44 cait hm not sure about per framework
18:44 tcohen if unimarc has a fixed position on some field that correlates to 008 15-17
18:43 thd tcohen: Do you mean shared between MARC21, UNIMARC, etc.?
18:43 tcohen heh
18:43 thd tcohen: What do you mean by "shared between dialects"?
18:43 tcohen like default main language, default country, etc
18:42 tcohen we could have some stuff that is shared between dialects
18:42 thd tcohen: Do you mean via a plugin specified by the framework?
18:42 tcohen we currently have fw code (e.g. BKS) and description (e.g. Books, Booklets, Workbooks)
18:42 tcohen for example, adding more options when editing a framework
18:41 thd tcohen: How would you prefer a default country code be specified?
18:41 tcohen so I was thinking of propsing it be done framework-wise
18:41 tcohen i'd like a dialect-gnostic solution
18:39 tcohen and I know "we've done that before" (i.e. for language positions)
18:39 tcohen i don't like the solution
18:39 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17
18:39 tcohen i'm looking at bug 13912
18:39 thd tcohen: What do you need to know about UNIMARC?
18:38 tcohen is there any unimarc people around?
18:03 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13896: (QA followup) fix koha-{stop|restart}-zebra too <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=05d57a1880bd164f727a772e113bacb779b9f91d> / Bug 13875: Columns configuration - Allow underscore in table name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=94836adbfb1387fe3c359212ae8faaf8fcfe6654> / Bug 13864: Fix height for Colvis entries <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k
15:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13919 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Renewal possible with item level hold on item
15:32 cait bug 13919 - would be good to get a sign off
15:23 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11239 - show hour of due date in history circulation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2fa0f6f4ab2c2492309db92fed2d34d148d9ffd3> / Bug 13882: Tidy t/Borrower.t to fix whitespace errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=565b97924e1fe30640744cc42faa6fffcbdbeeee> / Bug 13882 : Adding new unit tests in t/Borrower.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.g
15:21 * chris_n goes off on a transient sign-off tangent
15:18 cait just logging in probably won't do it
15:18 TGoat I like huggin better :D
15:18 cait in order to get her laters she needs to say something in channel
15:17 huginn` TGoat: The operation succeeded.
15:17 TGoat @later tell druthb druthb_away .. Please contact Todd Goatley-Seals @ ByWater. Call 775-335-7940. Thanks!
15:17 cait TGoat: maybe try emailing her if you haven't yet?
15:17 tcohen I'd also like the Koha::Version patch
15:16 TGoat Koha .. if anyone sees that druthb_away has entered the room and can remember will you please ask her to contact Todd @ ByWater @ 775-335-7940. I'd really appreciate it :D I'll create another @later for her. Thank you!
15:14 tcohen sure!
15:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9978 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Update GNU licenses header in Koha files from GPL2 to GPL3
15:13 Joubu tcohen: maybe bug 9978 would be a good candidate for 3.20
15:12 * chris_n doesn't really care what its call so long as it works better than what is currently in place ;-)
15:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13967 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , System preferences need a package
15:10 chris_n bug 13967
14:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7561 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , cannot fast catalog with fast cataloging permissions
14:56 cait bug 7561
14:47 * tcohen likes 7561!
14:41 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7561: Redirect to the add items form if it's a fast cataloging <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c16e19b3fdff71e20db1df036931d96dfabcce4d> / ug 7561: Fast cataloging - Allow add/edit items and delete record <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3183f16e55f251003583a741b06bdfa635b1f07> / Bug 8246: Allow deleting record if no more items <http://git.koha-community
14:41 khall yeah, I like it
14:40 Joubu khall: imo Koha::Config::SysPrefs is perfect
14:39 tcohen call for dev meeting?
14:36 khall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis
14:32 cait i haven't read the bug mail today yet, so not sure what i am getting myself into :)
14:32 cait administration?
14:32 khall ahh! More choices! ; )
14:32 cait ignore capitalization
14:32 cait khall: koha::Admin::Sysprefs maybe?
14:31 cait fridolin: why do you want to kill it?
14:31 cait fridolin: not really - it's a display thing that is framework specific
14:27 khall I think Koha::Config::SysPrefs seems just fine.
14:26 khall for what it's worth, I have no problem changing the namespace of Koha::SysPref. I just hope we can agree on something without *too* much debate ; )
14:20 fridolin cant we replace this by a classic "Koha to marc mapping" ?
14:20 fridolin thanks cait
14:16 cait fridolin: it should be in quite a few places in the code
14:16 cait fridolin: it's still in use - the keyword supported is SUBTITLE i think
14:15 tcohen khall++
14:15 chris_n khall++ # for getting the ball rolling
14:12 khall np! I should have caught that
14:12 tcohen i'm sorry for that
14:12 tcohen i mean, have a constructive exchange on the bug instead of grumpy comments
14:12 khall absolutely!
14:12 tcohen khall: could you please attach a patch with fixed pod for the sysprefs package bug? need to calm mtompset down
14:01 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13879: Fix sort on patron search (guarantor and linked to orders) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0526eb4dfb14f81fe27e1499adfa18559de03a21> / Bug 13923: The prefetch used on existing constraint <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fb73b9abf751fa9cbdb51c79cfc6327a3c3d420> / Bug 13850: Fix typo in C4::Ris <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com
13:57 fridolin Could we consider it is obsolete ?
13:57 fridolin Does someone use "Keyword to MARC mapping" to customize ?*
13:44 Joubu I hope nothing :)
13:44 Joubu hum?
13:42 tcohen what are we breaking?
13:42 wahanui yep.
13:42 Joubu tcohen: yep?
13:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13497 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , The pref AddPatronLists should be removed
13:41 tcohen Joubu: bug 13497
13:38 tcohen just add a followup with (QA followup) on the subject, i'll sign and push it
13:38 Jul tcohen : Ok thanks, i'm coming to see that
13:37 tcohen Jul: ok?
13:37 drojf hi cait :)
13:37 tcohen tiny and simple fixes needed
13:36 * cait waves at drojf
13:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13940 trivial, P5 - low, ---, julian.fiol, Failed QA , Testing C4::OAI::Sets
13:36 tcohen i commented on bug 13940
13:35 Jul tcohen : Yes ?
13:34 tcohen Jul?
13:34 tcohen is julian fiol around?
13:29 drojf ah found it http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015
13:29 drojf there is a meeting today, right?
13:27 tcohen yup, it seems
13:27 drojf hi tcohen. still quiet around here?
13:25 tcohen hi drojf
13:23 drojf hi #koha
12:50 paul_p hi tcohen (& others)
12:50 tcohen morning paul_p
12:35 cait it was just something i fell over reseraching
12:35 cait not sure i get it :) but you can probably forget about my later too
12:32 tcohen :P
12:32 tcohen P
12:32 tcohen about SMTH authentication
12:29 cait tcohen: huh?
12:16 tcohen cait: maybe something that uses http://perldoc.perl.org/Net/SMTP.html then
12:15 tcohen morning #koha
12:03 barton morning mario!
12:02 mario morning barton
11:58 khall mornin!
11:57 mario Morning khall
11:18 khall mornin magnuse!
11:18 magnuse kia ora khall
10:59 khall mornin all!
09:30 cait Joubu: that was exactly the problem- finally got my overdue notice out :)
09:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13957 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patron autocomplete shows NULL in list of results
09:29 nlegrand I messed around some more with bug 13957 but it's signed off ^^
09:29 nlegrand :)
09:28 cait nlegrand++ :)
09:28 cait yep i think that was the problem, cross fingers :)
09:28 nlegrand re
09:26 Joubu cait: you have to check at least 1 mtt
09:26 cait it works on our other installations, just my test installation is stubborn
09:25 cait i think it might be because email was not checked - in the triggers
09:23 Joubu no error? try with the verbose flag
09:22 Joubu cait: a print notice?
09:17 cait I have an overdue item - due date yesterday, my notice trigger is set to 1 as delay... no holidays in the calendar, running the overdues script with -t
09:17 cait hm that's didn't fix it :(
09:15 cait ooh, got an idea
09:15 cait any ideas why my overdue notice wouldn't print?
08:56 magnuse nlegrand++
08:33 cait kind of - just the circulation tab this time :)
08:33 cait same area
08:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13957 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Patron autocomplete shows NULL in list of results
08:33 cait bug 13957
08:33 Joubu yep!
08:33 nlegrand cait: :) ok
08:33 nlegrand Joubu: it should be better now
08:33 cait nlegrand: i have another easy one
08:31 nlegrand oups
08:31 Joubu signoff-by
08:31 Joubu nlegrand: you forgot your signoff line
08:30 Joubu nlegrand: thanks!
08:30 nlegrand Joubu: done :)
08:30 nlegrand cait: shhhhhhh
08:30 nlegrand ^^
08:26 cait nlegrand: it's a good tactics - grab the easy ones before someone else does ;)
08:26 nlegrand Joubu: ho that's a bit why I proposed to do it ^^
08:25 Joubu it's really easy to test and confirm the issue :)
08:25 cait :)
08:25 nlegrand I'm ok to try it
08:25 nlegrand :)
08:24 cait and the one joubu points out is a good start - bug 13936
08:24 cait yeah in general - some bugs need sign off people!
08:24 cait hi nlegrand
08:23 nlegrand Hey #koha
08:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13936 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Fix patrons search on using the checkout tab
08:22 Joubu Could we get a signoff on bug 13936 please? It's a critical and a patch is sent for 1 week now
07:28 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:28 dcook night all
07:28 dcook Anyway, I'm off
07:27 dcook I call 'em like I see 'em :p
07:27 * dcook shrugs
07:26 akafred ... which is why one usually use the cache-control-header along side the expiry header.
07:26 dcook Or nothing too glaring if they did exist
07:26 dcook I've never seen a problem with not clearing cookies or sessions though I don't think...
07:23 dcook We have a few hospitals with some heavy duty cacheing that can be tough to beat without using query strings on the CSS and Javascript...
07:22 dcook Actually, the mod_expires might be problematic when their are proxy servers in the way as well
07:22 dcook We usually have to get them to clear their cache on major upgrades though
07:22 dcook Well, it's certainly suboptimal in my books :)
07:21 akafred Requiring users to delete cookies and cache routinely on upgrades is kinda ... harsh.
07:21 magnuse ashimema: ta
07:20 dcook also to clone myself so one of us can stay at work
07:20 * dcook needs to head home!
07:19 ashimema i.e. telephone meetings
07:19 dcook akafred: Interesting. I don't know if I've encountered that one. I've seen a few cases where things like that aren't always honoured by browsers
07:19 ashimema tc's = 'tele-conferances'
07:19 fridolin It was a local anastesia on one leg
07:19 magnuse ashimema: "tc's"?
07:19 ashimema yikes.. hope that heals nice for you
07:18 fridolin thanks ;)
07:18 magnuse fridolin: ouch! hope it mends well!
07:18 fridolin yep
07:18 dcook fridolin: Hope you're feeling slightly better today!
07:16 akafred fridolin: Ouch!
07:16 akafred Hm. Seems mod_expires can be used: debian/templates/apache_shared.conf contains: <IfModule mod_expires.c>ExpiresByType application/javascript "access plus 12 hours"... But that still leaves the cookies.
07:14 fridolin nothing big, just had a ankle broken
07:13 fridolin I just come out from a day at the hospital so I a bit sleepy
07:13 ashimema too many tc's
07:12 ashimema must have spent 9 hours or so on the phone yesterday all in all..
07:12 BobB That will be 5am here magnuse. I will be an apology. :)
07:12 ashimema I'm all done in on meetings at the minute..
07:12 dcook salut fridolin
07:12 fridolin bonjour tout le monde
07:12 magnuse bonjour fridolin
07:12 magnuse meeting in slightly less than 12 hours, if i am not mistaken: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2015
07:11 wahanui i guess ashimema is on qa now .)
07:11 dcook hey ashimema
07:11 magnuse kia ora ashimema
07:10 ashimema morning
07:04 * dcook retreats back into the shadows
07:04 dcook Similar reasoning for cookies and sessions I'm sure. The structure of each might've changed with the version upgrade, so it makes sense to wipe them with the upgrade
07:04 * dcook might submit that patch someday
07:04 dcook Of course, that's why some folks append query strings to their CSS and Javascript which is tied to their version to force cache updates...
07:04 dcook It can screw things up for major upgrades
07:03 dcook akafred: The cache because of cached CSS and Javascript
07:03 akafred wizzyrea: You wrote "It's worth noting that clearing the cache, cookies, and sessions should be standard procedure after *every* upgrade for every staff interface user." That sounds a bit ... wow. Why?
07:02 dcook Version 4.03 makes things explode :(
07:00 dcook (Also what I use for the OAI client/harvester which is how I first noticed problems...)
07:00 dcook It's a set of modules that are used to create the OAI server
07:00 dcook magnuse: Yep
06:58 wahanui HTTP::OAI is pretty bare bones
06:58 magnuse dcook: HTTP::OAI?
06:49 dcook Whelp, at least I know that I wasn't the problem :p
06:43 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
06:43 dcook @later tell eythian Just ended up downgrading from 4.03 to 3.28 in the end, as 4.03 seems to not at all be production ready...
06:39 magnuse hiya dcook
06:28 dcook hola magnuse
06:24 * magnuse waves
06:10 dcook Wow... these HTTP::OAI tests are horrible
06:02 dcook laters
06:01 eythian time for me to go, later
05:59 dcook I think that we might have implemented the module incorrectly in some spots
05:59 dcook Actually, it might be that 4.03 is more strict in quite a few cases
05:56 dcook 3.28 was all right, but 4.03... yeesh
05:56 dcook Makes sense
05:56 eythian that's possibly related to why it's not in Debian then, if it doesn't pass the tests it doesn't build.
05:56 dcook Although it looks like the test for 4.03 are also not so great either
05:56 eythian ah good
05:56 dcook Looks like someone ran the tests for 4.03 and is getting the same error
05:55 dcook Good call, eythian
05:46 * dcook has no idea what $driver is supposed to be
05:46 dcook Or rather... requires $driver..
05:45 dcook It seems to expect "$r->generate($driver);" now
05:45 dcook Unless I'm looking in the wrong spot..
05:45 dcook The documentation says to use "$r->generate;"
05:45 dcook Profoundly
05:45 eythian ug that's annoying
05:44 dcook Or rather, the documentation is for the old version
05:43 * dcook 's brain may explode
05:43 dcook and no documentation...
05:43 dcook This module makes no sense :S
05:43 dcook What the ever living...
05:41 eythian http://v.theonion.com/onionstudios/video/1063/640.mp4 <-- a GoPro on a sparrow
05:41 dcook yes, go back to bed... preferably back in time!
05:40 wahanui http://33.media.tumblr.com/b3425d8454fa56c1d559458d655170ed/tumblr_nbrpcsI8m21sc9rdlo1_r2_400.gif
05:40 eythian go back to bed
05:40 eythian hi cait
05:40 dcook yo cait
05:40 dcook Ahh wait..
05:40 dcook wth...
05:36 dcook Hmm, I can do this..
05:33 dcook Well, when you put it like that...
05:33 dcook O_O
05:33 dcook Error message: Can't call method "start_element" on an undefined value at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.20.1/HTTP/OAI/Verb.pm line 53.
05:33 dcook Let's see how fast I can work up a fix :p
05:33 eythian goody
05:33 dcook Lovely :D
05:32 dcook Yes, HTTP::OAI 4.03 seems to cripple Koha's OAI server
05:31 eythian heh
05:30 * dcook wishes that time grew on tree in his office
05:27 dcook With good reason
05:27 eythian so it probably sat at 3.27 for a while, and it was grabbed by jessie
05:27 eythian well debian doesn't update the versions within a release
05:27 dcook Actually, 3.23 and 3.27 are older than what's on CPAN as well. Interesting..
05:26 dcook Had a feeling it be version 3. Hmm..
05:26 dcook I'll have to double-check but I think Koha's OAI server might not work with HTTP::OAI version 4.03
05:26 eythian https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libhttp-oai-perl&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
05:25 dcook eythian: might you know which version of HTTP::OAI do the packages use?
05:21 dcook Still shouldn't be making an error in the first place though..
05:21 dcook Actually, maybe it is supposed to return a HTTP::Response object... it's just not documented... and I didn't handle that error properly
05:16 dcook But when it gets an error it returns a HTTP::Response object rather than a HTTP::OAI::ListRecords object like it's supposed to...
05:15 dcook Oh man... it looks like HTTP::OAI::Harvester isn't happy with something...
05:10 dcook I think we've upgraded HTTP::OAI versions and that's already thrown up one thing that was my mistake
05:10 dcook Which means either I screwed up somewhere or HTTP::OAI is screwing up somewhere, me thinks
05:09 dcook The error I'm getting at the moment is: Can't locate object method "responseDate" via package "HTTP::Headers" at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.20.1/HTTP/Message.pm line 644
05:08 dcook I think CPAN is missing a lot of info as well..
05:07 dcook Hmm, I don't even know where the tests would be
05:06 dcook Yeah, HTTP::OAI has an interesting structure..
05:06 eythian though, according to the doc it's a stub
05:05 * dcook goes and takes a look
05:05 wahanui it has been said that http::oai is pretty bare bones
05:05 eythian http::oai
05:05 dcook Well, obviously not mine..
05:05 dcook Which? The one I made or the HTTP::OAI one?
05:05 eythian does the module pass its tests?
05:05 eythian that surprises me
05:05 eythian hmm ok
05:04 dcook This OAI harvester was working fine before this upgrade...
05:04 dcook Hmm, but I don't think that thing is core either
05:03 dcook Well, I should say something it relies on seems to have changed
05:03 eythian but it isn't core...
05:02 dcook Hmm, maybe it's just me, but HTTP::OAI looks like it might have some changes in Perl 5.20...
04:54 * Francesca waves goodbye
04:53 cdickinson Sounds good, me too, see you on Friday :)
04:53 wizzyrea cya :)
04:53 Francesca cdickinson I look forward to meeting you
04:52 Francesca right well I'll see you all on friday
04:51 Francesca I'm inside however
04:51 Francesca lol yeah
04:51 Francesca I've been putting up lots of photos of the cats on fb recently
04:51 cdickinson in this weather, it might be better if it was, active protection from rain x_x
04:50 wizzyrea naughty kitty.
04:50 Francesca my raincoat is alive
04:50 wizzyrea sweet :D
04:50 Francesca wizzyrea: I've done print styles before so the bug shouldn't be too hard
04:49 Francesca They're not generally allowed to do that
04:49 wahanui problem is probably it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
04:49 cdickinson problem?
04:49 Francesca one of my cats has now completely cuddled up inside my raincoat
04:48 wizzyrea yeah that'd do :)
04:48 Francesca don't blame you
04:48 Francesca I'll just stick my head in after lunch maybe
04:48 wizzyrea I hope for quiet friday afternoons, generally.
04:48 Francesca sweet
04:48 wizzyrea I don't have a preference :)
04:48 Francesca whoops
04:48 Francesca wizzyrea: any time in particular on friday afternoon
04:48 Francesca wizzyrea: any particular time on friday afternoon?
04:46 Francesca my cat is now trying to eat the zipper off my jacket
04:46 Francesca cool
04:45 cdickinson after the bug is fixed, beer o'clock :p
04:45 * Francesca has been distracted by the arrival of a wet kitten
04:45 wizzyrea cooool
04:45 Francesca thats fine
04:45 Francesca yup
04:44 wizzyrea hm maybe Friday afternoon?
04:44 Francesca so I can come when it suits you
04:44 Francesca well I'm pretty much free for the next 2 weeks
04:43 wizzyrea just maybe not over chat.
04:43 wizzyrea we'll get you sorted out :)
04:42 eythian virtualbox shouldn't be slow
04:42 Francesca ok
04:42 wizzyrea well no, don't do thatl.
04:42 Francesca virtual box is very slow
04:42 Francesca I might look at different vm software
04:42 wizzyrea ah cool
04:42 Francesca on midterm break at the moment so free pretty much every day
04:41 wizzyrea there's a build for osx :P
04:41 Francesca I can come in anytime
04:41 wizzyrea for a vagrant VM?
04:41 wizzyrea maybe a job for one day when you can come in
04:41 eythian You know how it's tricky on redhat? OSX is 1000x worse for getting things installed.
04:41 wizzyrea yeah just close it out ;)
04:41 Francesca the vm is acting up
04:40 eythian it would be terrible
04:40 wizzyrea note I have no idea if anyone has tried with osx yet.
04:39 wizzyrea https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox
04:39 wahanui i think the kohadevbox is at https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox
04:39 Francesca whats the kohadevbox?
04:39 wizzyrea Francesca: you can try doing it with the kohadevbox
04:38 cdickinson or did you make another VM?
04:38 cdickinson but francesca_ is online?
04:38 Francesca is it possible to do the stuff on a mac
04:38 Francesca my internet doesn't appear to work in the vm
04:31 * francesca_ switches back to mac for links
04:30 francesca_ right can't see all that stuff in here
04:30 wizzyrea yep nw
04:30 Francesca Just switching to my vm now
04:30 Francesca yup ok
04:29 wizzyrea it'll spit out a pdf.
04:29 wizzyrea selecting "Print to file" as your printer
04:29 wizzyrea what I usually do, is print the output to PDF. In Ubuntu, you do that by
04:29 wizzyrea user: staff pass: staff1
04:28 wizzyrea http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/virtualshelves/shelves.pl?viewshelf=3 < when you click "print list" that is the interface he's talking about.
04:27 * Francesca goes to start up the vm again
04:27 Francesca yup
04:27 wizzyrea you'd do that inside your VM
04:26 wizzyrea https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify
04:26 wizzyrea Francesca: this will probably look a bit familiar
04:26 cdickinson hehe
04:26 wizzyrea well that's your step 1 :)
04:26 Francesca I don't have a running koha
04:25 Francesca oh
04:25 wizzyrea well you'll have to have a running koha, I can possibly show you on the demo though
04:25 Francesca so what webpage am I looking at?
04:23 cdickinson in terms of settings
04:23 cdickinson gedit can be a little hard to find what you need
04:23 Francesca just got bad eye sight
04:23 Francesca well nt really
04:22 Francesca I'm just blind
04:22 eythian you can certainly change the font size in gedit.
04:22 wizzyrea pft. be nice.
04:21 cdickinson zooming in? can't you change the DPI on Ubuntu? :P
04:21 francesca_ so I can just use that
04:21 francesca_ i have brackets on mac
04:21 eythian you probably have a dozen text editors on there
04:21 cdickinson gedit is the GNOME environment's default text editor
04:21 francesca_ can't zoom in
04:20 wahanui gedit is that like vi
04:20 wizzyrea gedit?
04:20 francesca_ actually dont have a txt editor on here so i might switch back to mac
04:20 cdickinson my main on my PC is Windows because PC games, and have everything else as VMs because dual-booting is a pain
04:19 cdickinson I have no preference, really
04:19 cdickinson :P
04:19 francesca_ yeah well my main operating system is mac os x
04:18 cdickinson but then you're not on ADSL2+ like I am
04:18 francesca_ got my vm up and running now so I can work on ubuntu
04:18 cdickinson for a second I thought your Internet died
04:18 * francesca_ waves
04:18 wizzyrea or what mark ended up doing
04:17 wizzyrea you can use what I did on 11574 as an example
04:17 Francesca I've just started my vm up
04:17 wizzyrea \o/
04:17 Francesca I think I could do it
04:16 wizzyrea or a go, if you're feeling like it
04:16 wizzyrea have a think about it
04:16 wizzyrea yeah, exactly
04:16 Francesca and do a print stylesheet as well
04:16 wizzyrea we'll want to make a new bug, and link it to that one
04:16 Francesca hmmm i could fix that
04:16 wizzyrea to the print.css (and/or creating the print css for that page)
04:15 wizzyrea it's mostly CSS and adding display: none; type things
04:15 wizzyrea but it might not be terribly hard to do a similar thing for the lists in the intranet
04:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11574 normal, P5 - low, ---, liz, Passed QA , Clean up printing of lists in OPAC
04:15 wizzyrea bug 11574, he asked for the staff client and I gave him the OPAC (ok, that was dumb of me)
04:15 Francesca gotta start my vm
04:14 Francesca hold on
04:14 wizzyrea 1s
04:14 Francesca ok
04:14 wizzyrea about something in Koha you could look at
04:14 Francesca ok
04:14 wizzyrea I had a thought
04:14 wizzyrea actually Francesca
04:10 Francesca lol, I'll go and find another website to pretty up
04:09 cdickinson meanwhile I'll just sit here and get up to speed with Koha and everything haha
04:07 Francesca thanks
04:07 cdickinson but that is really awesome though, good luck with all that
04:06 cdickinson ah, right
04:04 Francesca I was singing with my high schools auditioned choir before that
04:04 Francesca I only joined this year so I wasn't invloved
04:03 cdickinson November 19, damn, wasn't in town on that day, cause I would have seen it otherwise
04:02 * Francesca doesn't know who nick cave is
04:02 Francesca lol yeah
04:02 eythian that is fairly different to Nick Cave
04:01 cdickinson oh, cool
04:01 Francesca https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVPm1vdWeQ this one
04:00 Francesca nope
03:59 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zLcaS76OtM <-- this Orpheus?
03:58 Francesca and have voice and piano lessons outside of uni
03:58 Francesca I sing with Orpheus
03:58 Francesca yup
03:58 cdickinson still keeping up with that, though?
03:58 cdickinson wow, I can't imagine, but yeah, I'll take your word for it
03:57 * dcook is a bit slow thanks to many uncooperative Tomcat instances...
03:57 dcook hey Francesca :)
03:56 Francesca and I was going for classical voice which is one of the hardest
03:56 Francesca it is really hard
03:55 cdickinson a couple of my engineering mates tried and failed
03:55 cdickinson well, you got in at all, that is an achievement
03:55 cdickinson ;-;
03:55 Francesca just didn't get in
03:55 Francesca I wanted to do performance though
03:55 cdickinson oh, okay
03:54 Francesca So just general theory papers, music history papers
03:54 Francesca music studies
03:54 * cdickinson assumed that's what people take music for...
03:54 cdickinson what are you doing, then?
03:53 Francesca but I'm not taking performance
03:53 Francesca lol yeah it is
03:52 cdickinson at least I'd know her soundtrack would be nice, cause getting into music at Vic is super competitive :P
03:52 Francesca I don't take any IT papers at uni, gotta keep my skills up somehow
03:52 cdickinson lol
03:52 Francesca Making websites look pretty is fun
03:51 Francesca hey dcook
03:51 wizzyrea and making our various web properties pretty.
03:51 Francesca lol
03:51 dcook :D
03:50 eythian Francesca is making the soundtrack for the project...
03:49 Francesca I'm studying music studies, first year in a BMus
03:49 Francesca I just do some volunteer part time work for koha
03:49 Francesca cool
03:48 cdickinson going to be working on Koha as part of my honours project
03:48 cdickinson Network Engineering, 4th year
03:48 Francesca what are you studying?
03:47 Francesca yeah I've got a few assignments I should do
03:46 cdickinson midterm break for uni? So am I, though I really don't have spare time haha
03:45 Francesca I'm on midterm break at the moment so lots of spare time
03:44 Francesca I might flick him an email
03:44 Francesca ok
03:43 cdickinson No, unfortunately, he had to leave cause one of his kids was sick
03:43 Francesca is rangi around
03:43 Francesca I'm at home so no worries
03:43 cdickinson I thought this desk was put in for me... oh well
03:42 eythian Hi Francesca. cdickinson is at your desk.
03:42 wahanui I love the 11th doctor!
03:42 wizzyrea hey Francesca
03:42 * Francesca waves
02:16 eythian https://youtu.be/sP-9SnG6g4E <-- holy crap, is that ever a cover version
02:13 wizzyrea lol.
02:08 eythian goodness, no branches have had any change since yesterday. Everyone must be on holiday.
02:01 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded.
02:01 rangi @later tell tcohen definitely if we can find a time that suits all 3 of us
02:01 rangi but ill help find them if they want to fly me over :)
02:00 rangi i think maybe we dont need to pick up all the nexpress updates :)
02:00 rangi https://twitter.com/kohails/status/585601901972082688