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23:14 dcook Even the Chinese for "Files" was a bit intimidating...
23:14 dcook I had resigned myself to having a Debian VM in Chinese, but... I guess it's OK having it in English again
23:12 wizzyrea TIL.
23:02 dcook Hmm, looks like it was Chinese. Bizarre.
22:58 dcook Apparently "ANSI_X3.4-1968" is the canonical name for ASCII. That's neat.
22:56 dcook No idea how it got to that from English...
22:56 dcook "Unspecified [ANSI_X3.4-1968]"
22:55 dcook Well, I guess I can learn the ideograms for things like "Keyboard" and "Bluetooth" now...
22:54 dcook And somehow I've got my Debian VM stuck thinking that it's set to an Asian language rather than English
22:32 wizzyrea lol
22:27 dcook hehe
22:27 rangi https://twitter.com/imbadatlife/status/582900249179656192
21:49 huginn rangi: [Described in full under field 866 in the MARC 21 Concise Format for Holdings Data.] (Repeatable) []
21:49 rangi @marc 866
21:22 wizzyrea that made me snerk :)
21:21 rangi https://twitter.com/ByWaterSolution/status/583015380077002752
21:21 rangi oh its back
21:21 wizzyrea you know I cant read your ghost tweets.
21:21 rangi hmm ghost tweet
20:44 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
20:44 rangi @later tell tcohen i did a git commit --amend --author= but too late now i think for master
20:43 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
20:43 rangi @later tell magnuse still being tested/refined patches submitted soon
20:32 cait i read typo, no problem :)
20:31 carmen nice to meet you as well cait . I think I may have embarrassed myself so i will stop typing now lol
20:31 carmen lol i see that now … i mean that I have heard great things
20:30 cait nice to meet you carmen
20:30 nengard missing a word there
20:30 carmen :)
20:30 carmen I have great things about cait
20:30 nengard so maybe i'm just biased
20:29 nengard well i love everyone in koha-land
20:29 nengard I think you two will get along
20:29 nengard Germany and does a ton of awesome work for Koha
20:29 carmen correct
20:29 rangi yup
20:29 nengard I think ... that was when right?
20:28 nengard she met rangi when he helped me move in to my house ages ago :)
20:28 nengard carmen is the new trainer at bywater but also my long time friend
20:28 nengard carmen meet cait cait meet carmen :)
20:28 cait hi carmen
20:28 carmen hello cait :)
20:28 cait hm I think i haven't yet
20:28 nengard cait have you met carmen?
20:27 cait thx - noticed because it was one of mine... was not sure if it was by accident or on purpose
20:27 rangi cait: pushed the follow up
20:27 cait ah, thx for the pointer!
20:26 rangi its purely an average .. its probably a bunch higher
20:26 carmen sorry
20:26 carmen :D
20:26 rangi nengard: 6 hours per patch written, 4 hours per signoff
20:26 nengard :)
20:26 nengard shhh - no screaming in #koha
20:26 rangi hey carmen :)
20:26 carmen BONJOUR RANGI!!
20:25 nengard cait it's tha last two rows of the patches pushed section
20:25 nengard cool - i see it - how did you calculate that though?
20:24 cait not sure i can see it
20:24 cait hm?
20:19 rangi time in hours and person days spent
20:19 wahanui http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise
20:18 rangi http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
20:18 rangi i added a section to the patches pushed on the dashboard
20:18 rangi morning
19:29 tcohen bye #koha
19:09 magnuse yeah tcohen++
18:59 ashimema nice work with all the pushing :)
18:58 ashimema hi again tcohen
18:57 nengard oops
18:57 nengard hehe
18:57 nengard or cait++
18:57 nengard cat++
18:50 cait #fixing tons of old bugs
18:49 cait Joubu++
18:47 bag afternoon cait
18:47 cait morning bag
18:46 bag hi tcohen
18:46 tcohen hi bag!
18:46 bag morning peeps
18:31 nengard thanks in advance
18:31 nengard you're on the right track! :)
18:31 nengard nope
18:31 hkh nengard: thanks. I'll proceed along that line. I was very uncertain, I might have missed the right way to do it.
18:30 tcohen is there a patch to make DSpace deployment prettier?
18:28 nengard I tried a bunch of them and none worked for the size of the manual
18:28 nengard That works for me - the problem is that open source XML tools haven't been able to handle the manual size that's why I had to get a non profit license for oxygen in the end
18:27 hkh nengard: I could work editing the .xml but beeing not familiar with the annotations I need a tool that show the effect of my efforts (try and error). AN alternative might be that I start my work by copying the relevant part of the manual from the http transform into my LibrOffice writer and send you the revised part in .odt (changes marked). Is that viable?
18:26 tcohen that's the attitude!
18:26 tcohen ashimema: fair enough
18:23 * nengard waves back
18:23 nengard so all you need is to edit the XML and send a patch or email me your suggestions and I'll make them in your name
18:23 * cait waves at ashimema and nengard
18:23 nengard hkh the html transformation of the manual happens overnight on the server - you wont' be able to see that in an editor
18:23 tcohen hi ashimema
18:22 ashimema_ busy tonight tcohen..
18:13 cait hi tcohen :)
18:12 tcohen hi cait!
18:12 hkh nengard: yes but as a newbie i am running in problems how to do it right - see previous conversation mostly with deojf
18:11 wnickc nengard++ thanks for testing
18:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13934 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Check in fails on master "Can't bless non-reference at .../ItemType.pm Line 64"
18:09 wnickc bug 13934
18:08 nengard thanks tcohen
18:08 nengard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual
18:08 nengard hkh you were looking to contribute to the manual?
18:08 tcohen well, one of the many reasons
18:07 tcohen that's why we like you
18:07 nengard hehe
18:07 nengard i'm a magnet for them
18:07 nengard oh - i do that a lot
18:07 tcohen you spotted a bug
18:07 tcohen heh
18:07 nengard what'sd I do?? heheh
18:07 tcohen its your fault nengard
18:06 nengard what's up
18:06 wnickc I will
18:06 tcohen wnickc: could you or nengard fill a bug please? and refer to that^^^^ hash?
18:05 * tcohen loves git bisect
18:05 tcohen Joubu: 7431f8cfe29e330e2232b0df591afc4d923b0a52
18:04 tcohen1 well, all of us that are suposed to have tested his patch
18:04 tcohen1 is Joubu's fault
18:03 wnickc and she's at lunch, always makes for a good scapegoat
18:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13885 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Failed QA , Cataloging search header should include more options
18:02 wnickc to be fair, nengard spotted it testing bug 13885
18:01 ashimema_ ;)
18:01 tcohen1 first suspect
18:01 tcohen1 you were the first to spot it :-P
18:00 wnickc wasn't me :-)
17:59 tcohen1 we need to find someone to blame wnickc
17:58 tcohen1 yup, saw it
17:58 wnickc Can't bless non-reference value at .../ItemType.pm line 64
17:57 tcohen1 sorry
17:57 tcohen1 I read wrong
17:57 tcohen1 ah, check in
17:56 tcohen1 you mean on checkout?
17:56 wnickc got it on my VM and a devbox
17:56 wnickc clears on 3.18
17:56 wnickc Yup
17:56 tcohen1 wnickc: current master?
17:52 wnickc or even some other barcodes
17:52 wnickc anyone else getting an error if they check in a non-existent barcode on master?
17:41 drojf hkh: i see. if there is needed more than the dtd linked within the xml file, nengard_lunch should know
17:35 hkh drojf: you ar right ther is no need for a transform. Beeing not familiar with the system i have to find the adequate annotations and I need a tool that shows me the result for try and error...
17:33 drojf hkh: to edit the xml file (and send a patch with enhancements) you do not need to transform anything. if you're trying to do something else then i think i misunderstood. maybe wait until nengard_lunch is back from lunch, she's the documentation manager
17:23 huginn tcohen1: cait was last seen in #koha 10 hours, 58 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <cait> you probably saw enough snow for a lifetime
17:23 tcohen1 @seen cait
17:23 hkh That page is not really helping me. I have no access to oXygen. The XMLnotepad is clearly showing the .xml text but is not able to make a transform unless I specify a suitable schema. But I have no idea where to find it. oxygen may have that information buildt in.
17:21 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13549: Add cardnumber to overdue circulation report overdue.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f37c05c283e0f91f08dc31a0d71488ee2a43e3fe> / Bug 13852 - Manage C4::VirtualShelves in C4::Auth for performance <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f14963605924eacbbaf965c600c65401288b6f2f> / Bug 4277: Display the correct budget planning after saving <http://git.koha-
17:21 drojf you don't need oxygen to edit an xml file. i'm not sure why that nonfree software product is featured there so prominently. and as you can edit a tex file in any editor, you should be able to do it with the xml file. i don't know how the html and pdf versions are generated though. nengard_lunch should know
17:13 hkh also proprietary pretty expensive oXygen is not available for me nor do I have working experience with such atool. If the manual was a TeX docoment I would be pleased to work on it.
17:11 hkh I have not worked with git, I have no local git installation, I have some previous experience with vc
17:10 hkh this where I found the text for the manual (koha-3.18-) en-manual.xml. I can view the xml text with XMLnotepad but I have no tool to see e. g. a html transform...
17:09 drojf have you worked with git before?
17:09 drojf there is more info on the process here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual
17:08 drojf the manual is on git, like the koha source code. http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=summary
17:04 hkh i want to suggest some text additions in the manual
16:59 drojf hkh: what is your question, what are you trying to do? do you want to edit the manual?
16:50 hkh ------ any advice? Newbie is in need of some guidance!
16:49 hkh As of now I have no better idea than copying some text from a html-view of the manual and paste it into the writer.
16:47 hkh I tried XMLnotepad on a downloaded koha-3.18-en-manual.xml. I tried to open same file with LibreOffice writer
16:46 hkh I am stuck now trying to prepare some text in a suitable format.
16:45 hkh Hallo, after reading in the koha manual the chapter on tool patroncard creator I thought it might be nice to have some more explanation on batches (3.1.6.4)
15:25 Krixvar Hey all, still unable to figure out how to get koha-run-backups to output anywehere but /var/spool - no matter what I put for --output it still goes there :/
14:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13859: Item search improvements - publication date and title formatting <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b78824cce4f770c7db4f2e73d2cae9d51eb08c5> / Bug 13898: Remove CANDELETEUSER code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2bc307c99816b7100c50a41800056ced2fcc8418> / Bug 13686: Change wording <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7c56
14:40 tcohen we need it
14:40 tcohen can anyone take a look at 13909 please?
14:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13841 - Returns via backdating or SIP2 can create new fines with an amount outsta... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=faab00b88a155bdd7d5de35ef9226e134ce4b35b> / Bug 13841 - Unit Test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=589fd84107ed76ed50397f63d4ca809468f57ffe> / Bug 7391: Return to cart after adding items to a list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh
14:12 tcohen =D
14:10 talljoy it is bookmarked on my other computer and i forgot to grab it before I left
14:10 tcohen u r welcome
14:09 talljoy Thanks Tomas! that was easy.
14:09 tcohen "Koha, a community" on youtube
14:09 talljoy i’m looking for a link to the video for the Kohacon2014 video “What is Koha?†anyone have it handy?
14:08 talljoy morning koha!
14:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13869: Wrong capitalization of 'Save Report' in guided reports <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=89a3ef5c5a1658bead838789f8b4c2857583217f> / Bug 13531 - Follow up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=482f2f31a8d4b13ee5bbc3fb211048056e11f090> / Bug 13531: QA follow up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=002b79c200f03adc162a5f59b988e8e
13:09 magnuse have fun #koha!
12:01 meliss good afternoon magnuse
12:01 tcohen hola magnuse
12:01 magnuse hiya tcohen and meliss
11:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8480 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , auth_subfield_structure is not cleared when deleting an authority type
11:42 Joubu magnuse: ok thanks, patch is on bug 8480
11:41 magnuse but i don't know if there might be reasons for it
11:41 khall mornin magnuse!
11:41 magnuse Joubu: sounds like a bug to me
11:40 khall I'd say so : )
11:40 magnuse hiya khall and kivilahtio
11:40 khall mornin kivilahtio!
11:40 kivilahtio no news is good news?
11:40 kivilahtio morning khall
11:36 khall mornin all!
11:22 Joubu same for marc_subfield_structure...
11:22 Joubu There is no FK referencing auth_types.authtypecode
11:21 Joubu Is it a feature not to have constraint on auth_subfield_structure.authtypecode?
11:14 ashimema_ yup
11:12 drojf indeed
11:10 magnuse it's oh so quiet...
08:19 mtj http://mcfunley.com/choose-boring-technology
08:19 mtj oops, i should have pasted the actual article
08:15 mtj this is a nice read.. -> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/03/30/2245223/why-you-should-choose-boring-technology
08:15 wahanui #koha is all kinds of good drugs today
08:15 mtj hey #koha...
08:08 nlegrand Joubu: ok for me
08:04 fridolin good morning
08:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , t/DateUtils.t causes the build to break (from bug 13601)
08:01 Joubu bug 13933 (blocker) has a patch to test :)
08:01 Joubu Hi
07:57 nlegrand Hey #koah
07:55 atheia Morning kohatians!
07:52 magnuse t4nk177: have you seen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_SIP2_server_setup ?
07:46 t4nk177 hi, i need help with sip2
07:46 t4nk177 h
07:45 t4nk177 alguien puede ayudarme con la configuracion del sip2?
07:45 t4nk177 al
07:44 t4nk177 hola
07:01 wahanui hey, alex_a
07:01 alex_a bonjour
06:47 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
06:47 magnuse @later tell eythian any news on "Bug 7187 - Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over"?
06:47 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
06:47 magnuse @later tell rangi any news on "Bug 7187 - Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over"?
06:44 magnuse ssd++
06:42 * magnuse reboots
06:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P4, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next
06:42 * magnuse looks quizzically at bug 7187
06:42 matts hi!
06:41 magnuse moin drojf
06:40 drojf hei magnuse
06:40 * magnuse waves
06:29 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
06:29 dcook Night all
06:29 dcook All right. Better head home.
06:25 dcook Yeah, I like snow. I just don't want it when it's inconvenient.
06:25 dcook hehe
06:25 drojf ;)
06:25 drojf no i like snow too, actually. just not now
06:25 dcook drojf: It's not bad
06:25 dcook I have seen a lot of snow O_O
06:24 dcook hehe
06:24 cait you probably saw enough snow for a lifetime
06:24 drojf i could live with that
06:24 dcook Maybe I'll get a trip back to Canada in 2016 or 2017...
06:24 dcook I haven't seen snow since... November 2013.
06:24 drojf lol
06:24 dcook They're fools of course. You can keep it ;)
06:24 dcook Hehe. I'm sure a lot of the people in Sydney would love the snow!
06:22 drojf so you should take that snow :D
06:22 dcook Autumn is starting here :(
06:21 dcook Almost summer!
06:21 drojf snow. yay. :(
06:21 dcook I think that's my cue to head home!
06:21 * dcook waves
06:21 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 1.0°C (7:50 AM CEST on March 31, 2015). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Falling).
06:21 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
06:21 drojf morning #koha
06:06 dcook I'm sure we're not helping with that :p
06:05 wahanui climate change is already way out of control, but I take my point wizzyrea
06:05 dcook Climate change!
06:05 cait quite sure we can't blame you for the storm :)
06:05 dcook Hopefully it's not due to Devel::GlobalDestruction::XS
06:05 dcook :(
06:04 cait not looking forward walking to work
06:04 cait very stormy outside
05:57 dcook hehe
05:57 dcook "Devel::GlobalDestruction::XS"
05:27 cait eythian left me a note, got me confused :)
05:27 dcook I'm sure eythian says hey too
05:27 dcook hehe
05:27 cait hi dcook
05:27 cait argh
05:27 cait hi eythian
05:26 dcook hey cait :)
05:22 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 13.5°C (7:21 AM CEST on March 31, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
05:21 cait @wunder konstanz
05:00 dcook laters
04:59 * eythian &
04:59 eythian later
04:59 eythian ok, time to go.
04:57 eythian then I have a bunch of _compat functions that go-between that and ES.
04:56 eythian it's very simple as the API is quite close to what the existing code does so I could avoid too many changes to how the existing stuff worked.
04:56 eythian heh
04:55 dcook Well, more so the imagery
04:55 dcook I also like the metaphor
04:55 dcook I think I might have seen that part
04:55 eythian I've bolted on a compatibility layer to C4::Search and C4::AuthoritiesMarc, or at least the searching and query building parts of them.
04:54 eythian I haven't tested it properly, but also switching the syspref should mean that zebra still works.
04:53 eythian yeah, it would
04:53 dcook That would be neat!
04:53 dcook :o
04:53 eythian this would mean you could theoretically run a koha without zebra totally.
04:52 eythian quite :) I think my next step is to get staff client searching working.
04:51 dcook Never a dull moment
04:51 eythian ...and a lot of tidying as there are some things that'll cause ES to explode, like having {..} in search terms.
04:50 eythian though I do do some field name conversion.
04:50 eythian I think I handle this at the moment mostly by ignoring it :)
04:50 eythian I expect that a simple ((field1:value1 or field2:value2) and field3:value3) type search in the search box wouldn't be too hard to define and parse.
04:49 eythian yeah, it wouldn't be too bad.
04:49 dcook And just parsing free-form searches
04:49 dcook Of having "structured" searches unparsed
04:48 dcook Yeah, I've been thinking a bit about that
04:48 eythian where things are more constrained (like authority searching), I'm generating ES searches directly.
04:47 dcook Can only do what you can do atm, me thinks
04:47 eythian at the moment we're pretty close to zebra's various languages, so I'm munging that into ES.
04:47 dcook I want to work on that, but there's no support :/
04:47 dcook That would be nice
04:47 eythian well, if koha had its own query language, that could be parsed and turned into a zebra query, or an ES query, etc.
04:47 dcook Best of luck with ES :)
04:46 dcook That would be one advantage against the QueryParser..
04:46 eythian yeah, something like that would work.
04:46 dcook That's true
04:46 eythian it'll also deal with free-form queries that users might type in.
04:46 dcook If someone got the QueryParser working, the elasticsearch query tree could probably be added as a plugin
04:44 eythian but this way is much easier to get good results.
04:44 eythian (at the moment I'm using a mildly hacky way to do regular searches where it munges things into a lucene style search string. In the long run I want to properly parse them into an elasticsearch query tree.)
04:44 dcook Got to love syntatical differences :D
04:43 dcook Ahh
04:43 eythian well I need things with : so I just s/=/:/
04:43 eythian ah right
04:42 dcook Otherwise kaboom :/
04:42 dcook an:123 gets translated to an=123 before it hits Zebra
04:42 dcook So if that's getting to Zebra, that should be OK
04:42 dcook Hmm, an=123 is CCL
04:39 eythian (for the record, it was doing an=123 when I think it should have been an:123)
04:35 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
04:35 eythian @later tell cait it seems that the link was doing the wrong thing, but zebra was OK with that. So I made my code see the wrong thing and turn it into the right thing :)
04:35 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
04:35 eythian @later tell cait I think I fixed your issue with authority biblio counts differing from the number of results.
04:29 dcook I found that a few months ago but totally forgot about it until now
04:29 dcook I know, right?
04:29 eythian oh hey, useful
04:28 dcook Just an example
04:28 eythian (though, what is corelist Carp?)
04:28 wahanui okay, eythian.
04:28 eythian no wahanui, core is corelist Carp
04:28 dcook Meh, close enough
04:27 wahanui hmmm... core is corelist Carp
04:27 dcook core?
04:27 wahanui core is simple. Plug in a URL and a metadataPrefix, and harvest all the records.
04:27 dcook core?
04:27 wahanui core is probably simple. Plug in a URL and a metadataPrefix, and harvest all the records.
04:27 dcook core?
04:27 wahanui okay, dcook.
04:27 dcook core is also corelist Carp
04:27 wahanui rumour has it core is simple. Plug in a URL and a metadataPrefix, and harvest all the records
04:27 dcook core?
04:27 wahanui core is simple. Plug in a URL and a metadataPrefix, and harvest all the records.
04:27 dcook core?
04:27 dcook corelist?
04:02 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
03:19 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
01:08 dcook Well, horribly broken Arabic PO file... not a template
01:08 dcook I suppose I had a bad experience with a horribly broken Arabic template once, so I'm always wary of PO files...
01:06 dcook Rather than breaking, it probably just wouldn't translate that msgid
01:06 dcook I suppose if a person messed up the template...
01:05 dcook I think it might just get bits and pieces of TT code
01:05 dcook I was thinking that, but I'm not sure
01:04 dcook Sort of
01:04 eythian it might just be programmed to extract all the TT code
01:04 dcook Yep, it indeed makes sense in context
01:03 dcook Yeah, I don't get why it extracts it either
01:03 eythian it would perhaps make sense in the context of where it goes
01:03 dcook Well, maybe it makes sense in context
01:03 dcook But that wouldn't make sense in this case :S
01:03 eythian though, I'm not totally sure why it extracts it at all
01:03 eythian it puts it into %s I think.
01:02 dcook So #. is an "extracted comment", but I don't see what it means..
01:01 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "first example" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/18
01:01 dcook Maybe it's also that the PO files are misleading
01:00 dcook haha
01:00 * dcook is so lost
01:00 dcook Exactly!
01:00 eythian it feels fragile but doesn't seem to be
01:00 dcook I know, right?
01:00 eythian it doesn't seem to happen
01:00 dcook Just whatever is wrong
01:00 dcook Well, maybe not everything
01:00 dcook I would think that the PO file could potentially be off and everything could explode
00:59 dcook But then if you haven't updated your custom english template...
00:59 dcook Which I suppose makes sense as it's all in some tag after all
00:59 eythian sure, same deal
00:58 dcook Although I've also seen it for [% IF (blah) %] and [% END %] blocks
00:58 dcook Yeah, that's how I've seen it
00:58 eythian I think it's so you can do "there are [% number %] widgets" sort of things
00:58 dcook Yeah, that makes sense
00:58 dcook Ahhh
00:58 dcook I was fixing up a PO file the other day and it was mostly TT I think
00:57 eythian I think sometimes that might be TT, but I don't think it's always the case.
00:57 dcook I want to say that the values are TT code though
00:57 dcook Hmm
00:57 eythian they're substitutes for some value
00:57 dcook But what are they printing in there? :S
00:57 dcook Ahh, right
00:57 eythian no, they're printf-alike
00:56 dcook I think they're bits of TT code?
00:56 dcook Hmm, the stuff that really gets me are the "%s" in the msgid and msgstr
00:49 dcook Or I'm just using an unhelpful database..
00:48 dcook I always think that we've made lots of template customizations, but we must not really..
00:47 dcook Oh yeah.. I was going to see if I could break the staff client..
00:47 dcook It seems like it works well overall... at least in the OPAC
00:46 dcook That would be tough
00:46 eythian also, languages that have singular, plural, and ternary.
00:45 eythian translations are hard like that
00:45 eythian yes
00:45 dcook And most msgid strings have more context than that anyway
00:45 dcook For instance... "Read" could be translated in a lot of ways... but if it's just on its own... it would probably be translated as being in the past tense...
00:44 dcook Although maybe those situations wouldn't happen
00:43 dcook Which makes me think that problems could arise in weird situations
00:43 dcook I had some text translated which I did not expect to be translated...
00:41 dcook Agreed. So long as it just works...
00:40 * eythian starts building 3.16.09
00:40 eythian yeah, it's still mostly mysterious for me at the moment too. I thin I'm OK with that.
00:39 dcook I still don't understand it all, and I don't know if I want to...
00:39 dcook Kudos to all the translator folk...