Time Nick Message
01:04 eythian I've had no list messages since Sunday. Is this expected?
01:05 eythian hmm
01:05 eythian the archices show things, but very few replies.
01:05 eythian *archives
01:05 eythian that seems a bit suspect.
01:08 eythian wahanui: ping
01:08 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658
01:14 rangi liw: http://vaarakirjastot.fi/web/english/program
01:37 mtj hey #koha...
01:37 wahanui it has been said that #koha is all kinds of good drugs today
01:38 mtj rangi: looks amazing ^
03:21 eythian http://theuserisdrunk.com/
03:22 rangi heh
03:24 wizzyrea i would fear for koha.
03:25 wizzyrea maybe not the opac.
03:25 wizzyrea let's get the drunk guy to tell us about acquisitions.
03:25 wizzyrea oh oh or the label maker.
03:25 rangi he cant make it any less complicated than the librarians tell us to make it that's for sure
03:25 wizzyrea TRUE.
03:32 bag oh that would be brilliant
04:19 eythian git is applying patches to the wrong file in a rebase. That's very annoying.
04:28 AmitG chris around?
06:56 * magnuse waves
07:11 liw rangi, ooh, interesting
07:27 drojf morning #koha
07:29 magnuse moin drojf
07:29 drojf hei magnuse
08:02 alex_a bonjour
08:14 fridolin hie
08:14 cait hi fridolin :)
08:21 Joubu o/
08:21 cait hi Joubu :)
08:22 cait are you on a mission with the old bugs?
08:22 Joubu cait: yep :)
08:22 magnuse Joubu++
08:22 cait Joubu++
08:22 Joubu some are really easy to fix and are there for so long
08:23 cait true
08:23 cait very glad to see them go
08:23 * cait grumps because for some reason she can#t access her bug mail from work these days :(
08:24 Joubu cait: so, what about bug 4137?
08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4137 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , OPACViewOthersSuggestions does not work
08:24 Joubu I don't know how it should work, so it's difficult to fix it :)
08:24 cait good question - i think we need to know what people expect of AnonSuggestions
08:24 cait yeah, it's either one way or the other
08:25 cait or adding an option ot have both *shudder*
08:25 cait magnuse: opinion on bug 4137?
08:32 magnuse nah, sorry
08:36 cait huh
08:36 cait my computer just shut itself off
08:36 gaetan_B hello
08:42 nlegrand hey #koha
08:43 cait hi nlegrand
08:47 magnuse cait: windows installing updates for you?
08:47 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B and nlegrand
08:48 magnuse cait: i think i would expect AnonSuggestions to let non-loggedin users post purchase suggestions
08:48 magnuse and i would expect OPACViewOthersSuggestions to let me see suggestions that others have made
08:49 magnuse and i would expect suggestions from others to always be anonymized (not linked to a patron)
08:53 magnuse hiya atheia!
08:54 atheia Hello magnuse!
09:11 Joubu cait: since the begining (2007), the "my suggestions" tab is hidden if AnonSuggestions is set...
09:14 nlegrand hey cait o/
09:14 nlegrand god morgen magnuse o/
09:47 cait Joubu: gah?
09:48 Joubu cait: ok I will reintroduce it
09:48 Joubu cait: Another question :) If AnonSuggestions= 1 but OPACViewOthersSuggestions=0
09:48 cait magnuse: not sure i understand your third sentence - do you man for display or in the database?
09:48 Joubu a non logged in user should not be able to see suggestions from anonymouspatron, do you agree?
09:48 cait what i'd expect (and hopefully not wrong) is show in opac navigation and set the borrowernumber to the anonymous patron
09:49 cait and don't show suggestions made? i guess
09:49 cait Joubu: yes... i think i do
09:49 Joubu k
09:50 cait Joubu: not sure if we could get someone else to look at this before you change lots of things hm
09:50 Joubu I won't change lots of things :)
09:50 cait ok :)
09:51 Joubu cait: you, sophie, laurence and me agree. It should not be so bad
09:51 magnuse cait: in the display
09:52 * magnuse glares at bug 12488
09:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12488 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bulkmarcimport.pl -d option should use DELETE instead of TRUNCATE
09:52 cait Joubu: cool :)
10:07 magnuse bonjour paul_p
10:13 khall mornin #koha!
10:15 cait mornin khall :)
10:15 khall mornin cait!
10:17 magnuse kia ora khall
10:18 khall mornin magnuse!
10:32 cait morning ashimema ;)
10:32 ashimema_ hi ciat
10:32 ashimema_ hi cait.. even
10:33 magnuse kia roa ashimema_
10:34 magnuse lunchtime!
10:34 wahanui lunchtime is a terrible time for a meeting
10:34 magnuse yup
10:36 ashimema ohh.. two clients.
10:36 ashimema oops
10:52 AmitG hi
10:52 AmitG indradg
10:52 indradg AmitG: yep
11:08 gaetan_B bye
11:45 ashimema a couple of additional thoughts on the api rfc: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=New_REST_API_RFC&action=historysubmit&diff=14460&oldid=14336
11:47 kivilahtio Doesn anybody know if it is possible to change the Environment time for Perl, so I could test Koha as if I was in the future or past?
11:47 kivilahtio so localtime() or time() would return time with some offset
12:50 tcohen morning
12:52 cait h tcohen :)
12:53 tcohen hi cait
12:54 p_vdk Hello
12:54 cait hi p_vdk :)
12:54 p_vdk hi cait!
12:57 cait @seen oleonard
12:57 huginn cait: oleonard was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <oleonard> That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on.
12:58 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:58 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 14.0°C (9:55 AM ART on March 25, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
13:02 ashimema what's happened to oleanard?
13:03 Joubu ashimema: he posted a comment on a bug this morning :)
13:05 ashimema no irc though it seems.
13:12 cait [off] i dm'ed him on twitter - working on a bigger project - i think he will be back
13:15 Joubu ashimema: the comment said "I am really busy atm"
13:15 tcohen hi ashimema
13:15 tcohen hi Joubu
13:15 Joubu Hi tcohen!
13:43 ashimema bug 13810
13:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13810 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Prevent updatedatabase.pl from breaking because of case insensitive utf8 collation
13:43 ashimema fun
13:51 kivilahtio Joubu: khall: Could you please comment this 5row commit? Bug 13905. Don't sign it off or anythinig, just asking if it is a sane way of fetching the count?
13:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13905 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Wrapping DBIx count inside Koha Object
13:53 khall kivilahtio: I'm not understanding the purpose of adding count() to a singular object, when you can already call count on an object set ( Koha::Objects )
13:53 kivilahtio you can?
13:53 khall yes, look at Koha/Objects.pm
13:54 kivilahtio hmm how did I miss that
13:54 kivilahtio khall: want to take a peek at my TestObjectFactories?
13:54 khall what's the bug number?
13:54 kivilahtio khall: Nice Factory classes for generating test objects, from hashes or from preconfigured test groups
13:54 kivilahtio I am applying it
13:54 kivilahtio erm attaching it
13:54 khall sounds intriguing
13:55 kivilahtio just curious if you could take a peek and would find it interesting to easuly create borrowers and biblios and issues and lettertemplates and and and
13:55 kivilahtio ill share the initial commit
13:55 kivilahtio brb
13:59 kivilahtio khall: Bug 13906
13:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, In Discussion , TestObjectFactory(ies) for Koha objects. Enable easy Test object creation from HASHes or from preconfigured test groups.
13:59 kivilahtio Joubu: Bug 13906
14:01 kivilahtio I am currently calling those test factories from Cucumber tests
14:02 kivilahtio I haven't tested those example groups since i refactored the Cucumber tests out of them, having realized the tests wouldnt be as descriptive
14:02 kivilahtio with hidden test grouos, vs explicitly defined test objects
14:03 khall I do like the idea of having canned bibs, patrons, etc. ready to go and to use in unit tests
14:07 kivilahtio khall: I am writing those Cucumber tests, which are pretty awesome. To make them maintainable and easy to define I need a clean way of dealing with context
14:07 khall nice!
14:07 kivilahtio khall: What I was hoping is that somebody else would as well use those Factories when writing tests
14:08 khall I imagine I would
14:08 kivilahtio cool
14:08 kivilahtio khall: I think they are still taking shape and need documentation
14:09 kivilahtio khall: But if somebody other than me would use them as well we might get some more use cases onthose factories and could see how well they work outside of the overdues module
14:10 kivilahtio Maybe this is something I could present during the next developer IRC meeting?
14:10 kivilahtio I wonder when that is held
14:10 kivilahtio But writing tests with those is soooo mcuh more convenient than the Koha-way
14:11 kivilahtio I'll share my cukes soon nad boy they are nice :)
14:33 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13801: svc/bib - Set charset to utf-8 on printing header <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1410422ab65a7049411edab96d4ae0de454466ef> / Bug 12820: [QA Followup] Tab and whitespace cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=836a7eba0b76a034a18fd0bfc46b97caf907dc10> / Bug 12820: Handle rental fees in Sip issue and renew <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko
14:35 gerundio is there anyway to simply reset zebra indexes without reindexing?
14:36 gerundio rebuild_zebra.pl script enforces "Must specify -b or -a to reindex bibs or authorities"
14:36 gerundio is there a workaround for this?
14:38 gerundio I found this: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.16/en/resetzebra.html
14:43 Joubu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwBhxBBa7tE
14:45 nengard git experts I need you help :)
14:46 nengard one of my branches of the manual is totally screwy on my system - how do i grab a fresh copy of it?
14:46 nengard I tried deleting the branch, creating the branch and pulling the branch but it's still showing things that don't belong
14:48 Joubu nengard: you can checkout the files (git checkout files list), or stash the changes (git stash), or reset --hard HEAD (BUT only if you need what it does, ie. will delete all your local changes)
14:49 Joubu actually reset - - hard remote_branch_name
14:52 nengard oh ... maybe i'll try that last one
14:52 nengard see this makes no sense : Nicole-Pro:manual nengard$ git reset --hard manual3.16.x
14:52 nengard HEAD is now at d3f1fc9 add links to cron to usagestats prefs
14:52 nengard because that commit isn't on that branch - i just checked
14:52 nengard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/manual3.16.x
14:54 nengard i have nothing locally i want to save to that branch - i want it to match the git repo exactly
14:54 cait woohooo bug 5786
14:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix
14:55 nengard SO EXCITING!!!!
14:58 Joubu nengard: what is manual3.16.x? It's a local branch
14:59 nengard both local and remote
14:59 Joubu nengard: to refer to the remote branch, you need to specify the remote
14:59 nengard oh okay - what part do i change?
14:59 Joubu git reset --hard remote/branch
15:00 Joubu (last time I helped someone with git, he lost data...)
15:00 nengard uh oh :) hehe - no biggy i have no data to lose in this one
15:01 nengard Nicole-Pro:manual nengard$ git reset --hard remote/manual3.16.x
15:01 nengard fatal: ambiguous argument 'remote/manual3.16.x': unknown revision or path not in the working tree.
15:01 Joubu nengard: git remote -v should list the remotes
15:01 Joubu the remote is certainly 'origin'
15:02 Joubu so git stash; # optional
15:02 Joubu git checkout -b 3.16.x origin/3.16.x # should do the job
15:02 Joubu git checkout -b 3.16.x origin/manual3.16.x # if the remote branch is manual3.16.x
15:10 Joubu mveron++
15:16 nengard sorry had a phone call - am back - reading up
15:18 nengard Joubu all better!!!
15:20 Joubu nengard: great :) Don't forget to specify the remote's name if you want to point to a remote branch.
15:20 nengard makes sense
15:36 mveron Hi #Koha
15:36 mveron @wunder Allschwil
15:36 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 6.0°C (4:30 PM CET on March 25, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
15:38 Joubu mveron: thanks for your signoffs :)
15:38 cait hi mveron :)
15:38 mveron Joubu: De rien... :-)
15:39 mveron Hi cait :-)
15:41 * mveron likes to see vanish low bug numbers...
15:42 cait me too :)
15:53 ashimema awesome! bug 5786
15:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix
15:53 cait yep :)
15:53 ashimema and now I wan't some further enhancements to it ;)
15:53 cait me too
15:53 cait if you plan something let me know
15:53 cait will work on spec soon
15:53 ashimema be great to add branch level rules ;)
15:53 cait hm?
15:54 ashimema I'll get janet to forward her wishlist to you ;)
15:54 cait that'd be cool
15:55 ashimema just forwarded her mail to you regarding that bug..
15:55 ashimema i was going to submit it as a bug some time
16:01 gerundio regarding this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9453
16:01 huginn 04Bug 9453: enhancement, P1 - high, ---, rolando.isidoro, Failed QA , Update records acording to the new UNIMARCField100Language system preference
16:02 gerundio I ran the script I created on a testing environment and all fre occurrences where updated to the value I inserted into the UNIMARCField100Language system prefence
16:03 nengard everytime i upgrade koha now i get this error: Cannot open log file /home/nengard/koha-dev/var/log/updatedatabase_2015-03-25T11:02:58.log: No such file or directory at /home/nengard/kohaclone/installer/install.pl line 332 -- how do I fix it?
16:03 gerundio nevertheless, after reindexing Zebra the results for find queries on yaz-client still show the 'fre' string
16:03 gerundio even though the database records have the new value
16:04 gerundio at least the "marc" and "marcxml" fields in the "biblioitems" table
16:04 gerundio is this value stored elsewhere?
16:06 gerundio btw, in "et/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml", next to the field 100 indexes it states
16:06 gerundio "Language of cataloguing (mandatory) 3 22-24 do not index in ln"
16:07 gerundio and there's no <index_subfields> relating to that offset in the 100$a subfield
16:10 cait ashimema: which email did you use?
16:10 ashimema de
16:12 ashimema personal one I think
16:12 cait nengard: wait for the fix tomake it into Koha
16:12 nengard oh okay
16:12 nengard so it's a known bug - good to know
16:12 cait nengard: what i do is revert the change that broke it... but that's a bit drastic :)
16:13 cait bug 13875
16:13 nengard no need i can upgrade via the command line
16:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13875 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Columns configuration - table name cannot contain underscore
16:13 cait arg
16:13 cait bug 13876
16:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13876 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Permission issues on updating via installer - dev installations
16:13 nengard :)
16:13 cait the secone one... obviously
16:14 nengard yup
16:14 nengard at least it has a bug report
16:21 * mveron has to go to buy a new coffee machine...
16:33 * fridolin releasing 3.14.14
17:13 cait fridolin++
18:07 * cait waves
18:19 tcohen khall: do u know what routine calculates fines in days?
18:19 khall no, but I can find out!
18:31 tcohen khall: the fines in days are calculated when checking in, but the CalcFine and UpdateFine routines seem to talk about accountlines only
18:33 tcohen actually, do we have a table for suspension days?
18:33 khall right, give me a few minutes and I'll find you an answer
18:33 khall no, it creates a debarment I think
18:33 khall I'll have more answers soon
18:35 tcohen borrower_debarments
18:35 khall right
18:37 khall _debar_user_on_return
18:37 khall called by AddReturn
18:37 khall both are in C4::Circulation
18:38 khall it creates a unique debarment of the type SUSPENSION
18:51 tcohen it seems to do some weird calculation
18:54 tcohen _debar_user_on_return should be using _get_chargeable_units
18:54 tcohen and it isn't
18:56 tcohen its Joubu's fault :-P
19:23 * tcohen hates needing to think of duration units :-P
19:26 cait what are we blaming Joubu for? :)
19:27 tcohen 13909
19:28 tcohen is not really Joubu's fault, just joking
19:31 tcohen i fixed it on a branch bug_13909_suspension_calculation on my github
19:32 tcohen will try to write some regression tests at home
19:32 tcohen bye!
19:35 andreashm mjello
19:37 cait :)
19:38 cait brb
20:00 andreashm so, bug 5786 pushed to master. this will allow placing holds on onshelf items according to itemtype, yes?
20:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 new feature, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix
20:01 cait andreashm: yes
20:02 cait andreashm: there is one catch for us still with allowonshelfholds... that one checked out item of the defined combination is enough to 'unlock' holds for that combination - but this is a great first step
20:03 rangi morning
20:04 cait morning rangi
20:07 andreashm cait: sounds great
20:07 cait i made a happy dance today :)
20:07 andreashm cait: haha
20:08 cait waited for this one for quite a while
20:19 andreashm anyone know if ResourceSync is actually used to harvest metadata somewhere, or if it's just OAI-PMH or pubsubhubbub (if even that?).
20:20 andreashm or any other protocol/application I should look at?
20:20 andreashm (I'm thinking on how to integrate Koha with the Swedish union catalog)
20:21 cait andreashm: where is the cataloguing done in your model?
20:21 andreashm Libris, the union catalog
20:22 cait hm what we do is a nightly import + z39.50
20:22 andreashm at least the bibliographic info. holdings and items are up for debate.
20:22 cait i tihnk there is something for worldcat that works more immediate
20:23 cait we have the holdings only in koha - there is only some basic entry that the library has the book in our union catalog
20:23 cait so that the scripts know we want updates for those... and also ILL etc.
20:23 andreashm cait: nightly imports can be done know. we are thinking of a better solution.
20:23 cait i understand :)
20:23 cait maybe lok at the way the worldcat integration was done?
20:24 andreashm I'll try to do that.
20:24 cait andreashm: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/OCLC_Connexion
20:26 cait hm that's not the one i was looking for actually
20:27 cait andreashm: i think it was this: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/oclcappendix.html
20:27 cait afaikt you click ona button in the cataloguing client and the record ends up in koha
20:28 cait it uses the staging process
20:28 cait you coudl also add records using the restful api - we do that for ILL records
20:29 andreashm cait: they seem to have something called OCLC Connextion. Not an open protocol so not so interesting.
20:29 cait i think the interesting bits are the parts in koha for that
20:30 andreashm ah.
20:30 cait rangi: do you know how it works?
20:30 cait how it sees there is a new record to import?
20:30 rangi naw
20:30 rangi no idea
20:30 rangi i tend not to bother learning about proprietary stuff
20:31 cait heh
20:31 rangi unless someone pays me to
20:31 cait i thought srdjan wrote it :)
20:31 rangi not me
20:31 cait ok
20:31 cait i am not interested in the proprietary bits so much
20:31 cait but the idea to have a script that somehow sees there is a new record to import... that's interesting
20:33 rangi im pretty sure its a bywater thing
20:34 rangi and you do it from oclc
20:34 rangi ie koha doesnt find out
20:34 rangi you do something in connexion, and it uses the svc/import_bib to push the biblio into koh
20:34 cait yeah.. but i thik you could build something similar
20:34 rangi a
20:34 cait a similar service
20:35 andreashm sounds better to have a metadata harvetser/webhook kind of thing.
20:35 bag doesn’t marcedit use the same service?
20:35 cait it listens... to something... not sure what
20:35 rangi yes
20:35 rangi nothing is listening tho, its pushing, not pulling
20:35 cait andreashm: koha can't harvest currently
20:35 andreashm cait: I know.
20:35 andreashm But that could be worked on, if it is deemed a viable approach.
20:36 cait true
20:36 rangi acttually if you look in misc/bin/connexion_import_daemon.pl
20:36 andreashm bug 10662 for instance
20:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P1 - high, ---, dcook, ASSIGNED , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client
20:37 rangi its incredibly specific to oclc, but could work for others i guess .. its still not pull tho, still push from oclc
20:37 cait hm yeah
20:37 cait whatever you do... you need the harvesting bi
20:37 cait b
20:37 cait bit
20:37 andreashm pubsubhubbub sounds (except for the name) like a better solution. I'm usure of how much it's used/developed though. (just like ResourceSync)
20:38 cait need to build something that gets you the records and then... push it to the rest api
20:38 cait bug 7613 btw
20:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, druthb, CLOSED FIXED, OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib
20:44 andreashm on a completely different topic, what is the point of biblioitems really? why not just have biblios and item?
20:44 wizzyrea it's a vestige of early Koha
20:45 rangi when storing MARC natively was added, it was done in a way that broke the normalisation of data
20:45 rangi you'll notice isbn, edition, volume etc is at biblioitem level
20:46 rangi in koha up until 2.0.0
20:46 rangi you could have one biblio, many biblioitems, and many items
20:46 rangi so you could do things that you still cant properly do now
20:46 rangi like place a hold on all large print versions of a book, but not the paperbacks etc
20:47 rangi by placing the hold at the biblioitem level
20:47 rangi now its 1-1-many
20:47 * cait is not sure that would have passed qa today ;)
20:47 andreashm so historically there was a reason for it, but not so much now?
20:48 cait breaking that
20:48 rangi now its because removing it would gain pretty much nothing for end users
20:48 rangi but probably break a zillion things
20:48 rangi it'd be a good project for someone who had the time to do it properly
20:50 cait Joubu++ for fixing a bug i reported in 2010
20:50 rangi code refactoring is good in theory, in practice .. it goes horribly wrong more times than not, because people rush it
20:50 cait small steps is key
20:51 rangi Joubu++
20:54 andreashm we where looking at "Koha to Marc mapping" today, trying to figure out why stuff is done the way it is. this explains a lot, thanks.
20:56 rangi andreashm: from about 2001 http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/kohaphotos/moving-items
20:58 cait i love the colors
20:58 nengard wow
20:58 cait kyle showed me a screenshot of the first tabs in koha
20:59 cait was quite colorful too
20:59 wnickc doesn't the separation of biblioitems/biblio sort of leave the door open for FRBR? or would that be a different approach
20:59 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/kohaphotos/reserve
20:59 rangi thes colours were better
20:59 rangi thats what biblioitems allowed you to do
21:00 indradg hi
21:00 wahanui kia ora, indradg
21:01 rangi wnickc: it was frbr, before we knew what frbr was :)
21:01 rangi cait: first tabs?
21:02 andreashm rangi: haha, cool to see.
21:02 indradg peeps, I know what to do when I wish to do multi-tenanted hosting on a stable version of Koha - separate koha-create calls along with dns entries to map the vhosts, and accordingly updated in respective koha-httpd.conf
21:02 cait rangi: not sure it were the very first
21:02 indradg but what is the best approach to take when working with git
21:02 cait was a reserve screen too i think
21:03 rangi indradg: this is for dev only eh? cos you arent crazy enough to do prodcution with git? :)
21:03 indradg rangi: dev only
21:03 rangi id still use the koha-create
21:03 rangi and then use koha-gitify
21:04 rangi they could all share a git clone, or they could all have separate ones, up to you
21:04 indradg basically separate clients who would like to see what is happening on their money... until
21:04 indradg it is production ready
21:04 indradg ok! i got it!
21:05 indradg thanks rangi :)
21:05 rangi no worries
21:09 wnickc rangi: can we get it back? assuming it would be neither free nor easy, but would it be acceptable?
21:10 rangi i think we would do it in a different way now, and would be coordinated with the intergration of sane^H^H^H^H non-marc data also
21:10 rangi (and the rdf/semantic stuff)
21:12 rangi but definitely, if we want people to keep using libraries
21:12 rangi we have to to get something like frbr
21:12 wnickc I think we do want patrons
21:12 rangi i dont use my local library
21:12 rangi because i cant find a damn thing with their catalogue
21:12 wnickc thwey don't use koha?
21:12 rangi nope
21:13 wnickc :(
21:13 rangi but yeah, when i want a copy of two towers
21:13 rangi i dont really care if its hardback or paperback or the reprint with a foreward
21:13 rangi i dont want to have to place 3 different holds
21:13 rangi and then cancel 2 when one comes in etc
21:14 wnickc yes, though I prefer that problem to the people who won't take the paperback
21:15 wnickc frbr would make things os much more pleasant
21:15 wnickc though everything makes new problems too
21:15 andreashm rangi: academic libraries would se that a liiitle bit differently. =)
21:16 cait heh yeah
21:16 wnickc ideally it would allow for both though
21:16 andreashm wnickc: absolutely.
21:16 rangi yeah, i could just choose the one i want
21:16 rangi too
21:16 rangi (if you saw the screen shot)
21:17 rangi at the moment, kinda can half do either .. not well
21:17 rangi (still better than a lot of other ILS but thats a pretty incredibly low bar)
21:18 wnickc hah
21:18 rangi i think the lowest UX rating a site could get is "It's more usable than most OPACs" next one up is "It doesn't actively punch me in the face when i try to use it"
21:18 andreashm haha
21:22 eythian hi
21:22 wahanui what's up, eythian
21:23 rangi https://www.catalyst.net.nz/show-and-tell/blog/importance-upstreaming
21:23 wnickc did I break somethign? My VM dies when I do a search in OPAC if logged in "No branchcode in Reserves.pm"
21:23 cait hm
21:24 cait did you change a pref setting maybe?
21:24 cait last i saw that is ages ago... was a bug in singlebranchmode
21:25 wnickc i have changed many preferences :)
21:25 cait probably something else now
21:28 eythian your VM actually dies?
21:28 eythian because that ain't likely to be a koha problem
21:28 wnickc no, sorry, just won't perform a search
21:33 * cait should probably stay away from patches tonight
21:33 * cait breaks all the things
21:34 eythian http://media.giphy.com/media/PlQFFxwdG7Icw/giphy.gif <-- this is cait
21:34 cait :P
21:34 wizzyrea haha
21:34 cait that's not very flattering :)
21:35 eythian hey, it was you saying that you break all the things!
21:35 wizzyrea this is cait *now* http://i.imgur.com/GoWMbeP.gif
21:35 eythian I was just providing visual aids!
21:37 cait heh
21:37 cait wizzyrea++
21:37 wizzyrea yay I got karma!
21:38 cait i don't think you need me for that
21:40 * cait glares a little at eythian
21:40 eythian eythian±±
21:40 cait big yellow bird??
21:40 eythian you ... don't know bigbird?
21:40 eythian what happened to your childhood?
21:40 cait lol
21:40 bag bigbird?
21:40 wnickc hrm...all good if I checkout 3.18.x
21:41 cait hm
21:41 eythian You never watched Sesamstrasse?
21:41 cait wnickc: what are the steps that lead to the error?
21:41 wizzyrea big bird is from S... that.
21:41 cait eythian: um... not really
21:41 wnickc log in to opac
21:41 wnickc search
21:41 tcohen hi
21:41 cait hi tcohen
21:42 wnickc I am logging in with superlibrarian
21:42 cait hmmm works ok for me
21:42 cait logged in, searched, detail view
21:42 wnickc yeah, it's me
21:43 eythian wnickc: super librarian, or database user?
21:43 wnickc superlibrarian
21:43 wahanui superlibrarian is probably one of the permissions
21:43 eythian (though, searching should work anyway)
21:43 cait hm maybe your logs have something useful?
21:43 wnickc Yeah no homebranch at ...Reserves.pm
21:44 cait placed a hold now too
21:44 cait all good
21:44 cait wnickc: what's the full error? on which page does it appear?
21:45 wnickc one sec, patrons
21:47 * cait passes a patch and wonders what she missed
21:47 cait qa really makes you a bit paranoid i guess
21:47 wizzyrea http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dimi.gif
21:48 cait lol
21:48 cait so i am abird. i get it .
21:48 cait :)
21:48 wizzyrea lol
21:49 wnickc No homebranch at /home/nick/kohaclone/C4/Reserves.pm line 2157.
21:49 wnickc @ http://10.85.20.114/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=shoes
21:49 huginn wnickc: I suck
21:49 p_vdk Goodbye Koha
21:50 cait hmmmm weird
21:50 wizzyrea are you logging in as the database user?
21:50 cait would that bring up more than one result?
21:50 wizzyrea or a regular user with superlibrarian permissions?
21:50 wizzyrea what is your username
21:51 wizzyrea cait: no it just happens that 1. birds are adorable and 2. they happen to do funny things that seem appropriate to your expressed feelings ^.^
21:51 cait :)
21:51 wnickc both regular and superlibrarian
21:51 wizzyrea does the user have a branch assigned?
21:51 wizzyrea do you have branches defined?
21:51 wnickc search for 'a' returns all results, but can't make any other searches work
21:51 cait but htat works?
21:52 wnickc branches, everything, staff clinet all fine
21:52 wizzyrea what happens with a clean db?
21:52 cait aaah
21:52 cait i got it too
21:52 cait it happens when it would redirect to a single result i think
21:52 cait yep
21:52 cait hm or not
21:53 cait but i def see it suddenly now too
21:53 wnickc hmm..I get it for searches that would have multiples
21:53 wizzyrea does the result have reserves?
21:53 wizzyrea or one of the potential results?
21:53 cait really weird, i was testing tha tags patches earlier and did searches
21:53 cait and now it's just not working
21:53 cait wnickc: think you are right... i don't really see a pattern yet
21:54 * dcook waves
21:54 cait opac-search.pl: No homebranch at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Reserves.pm line 2157., referer: http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=4
21:55 wnickc glad I am not alone, but sad I am not alone too
21:55 rangi what branch master?
21:55 tcohen rangi!
21:55 rangi hey tcohen
21:55 tcohen how are you doing!
21:55 eythian It ought to be that if you turn on debug, it loads that module that makes all errors give a stacktrace.
21:55 rangi not too bad, just have to take beta blockers, and advised i should cut back caffeine
21:56 eythian he's replacing it with coffee stouts
21:56 rangi heh
21:56 cait master
21:56 cait thought i'd try a bisect
21:56 cait but stuck after git bisect start
21:56 rangi could you quickly try 3.18.x to make sure its ok there?
21:56 cait thought it was git bisect good... but
21:57 rangi start
21:57 cait i think wnickc said it was ok
21:57 rangi then either bad
21:57 rangi or good
21:57 tcohen :d
21:57 rangi then checkout a new one
21:57 wizzyrea right I get it too
21:57 cait hm nope
21:57 rangi and do good or bad (depening on what you did first time)
21:57 wizzyrea it's when one of the potential results has a reserve
21:57 wnickc yeah, master problem, no problem in 3.18.x
21:57 cait rangi: i am on a good branch - master -30 commits
21:58 cait on it
21:59 cait *sigh*
21:59 cait 5786
21:59 cait but def not in 3.18.x then
21:59 cait 1802aa91530a4e8716da4a6b956ca6e0cee7d471
22:00 tcohen what is it that got broken with 5786?
22:00 cait search in opac :(
22:00 cait you get a perl error message
22:00 wizzyrea search in opac when a potential result has a reserve on it.
22:00 cait might be a side effect from another change
22:00 wizzyrea maybe the rules need re-saving
22:00 wizzyrea ?
22:00 wizzyrea or updating somehow
22:01 cait i just added rules
22:01 cait only have one
22:01 cait it's alright
22:01 wizzyrea well when I try to edit/save a rule on master
22:01 wizzyrea I get
22:01 wizzyrea DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'me.maxsuspensiondays' in 'field list' at /home/liz/koha-src/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl line 161
22:01 cait huh
22:01 cait i don't see that
22:02 * tcohen didn't see that either, been trying to debug something on master regarding circ rules today
22:02 wizzyrea must be my db
22:02 wizzyrea didn't get updated properly or something
22:02 cait i think i might have something
22:03 cait wnickc: do you have a branch specific rule or only a general one in your circ rules?
22:03 wnickc LET ME SEE
22:03 wnickc oops
22:04 wnickc cait:At least one branch specific
22:04 cait hm yeha that wasn't it
22:06 cait sub OPACItemHoldsAllowed
22:06 cait my $branchcode = $item->{homebranch} or die "No homebranch";
22:07 wnickc yeah, made me wonder if I had bad data, but not that I see
22:07 rangi thats pretty agressive
22:07 rangi dying
22:08 rangi wnickc: can you do select * from items where homebranch is null or homebranch = ''
22:08 cait it's called twice from opac-search
22:08 wnickc was blank
22:08 cait rangi: i checked, all my items have homebranches :(
22:09 wnickc tried with homebranch not in branches as well
22:09 rangi so it must be the routine that is populating $item then
22:09 rangi not the db
22:09 cait does it look in the db or the index?
22:09 rangi how does $item get made
22:10 cait ok, reindexing doesn't help it
22:12 cait i thinmk maybe the problem is around line 600? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=opac/opac-search.pl;h=cdf0fbb4771457f342e245e1d957d09c07fb62da;hb=1410422ab65a7049411edab96d4ae0de454466ef#l600
22:13 cait not usre... $_?
22:16 wnickc yeah, I was looking there, but too perly for me to parse
22:16 rangi its lazy perl
22:16 rangi type more characters, make everyones life easier
22:17 cait but what is it here?
22:17 cait ah
22:18 cait and ... the foreach at the end?
22:18 cait so an entry of the @newresults list?
22:18 rangi yes
22:18 rangi its just being lazy
22:18 eythian Am I missing a 3.16 release, or hasn't it happened?
22:18 cait i was looking for the loop futher up
22:18 wizzyrea 3.16.14 I think just came out?
22:18 rangi foreach my $item (@group_results){
22:18 cait yeah, didn't expect it at the end!
22:18 rangi exactly
22:19 rangi saved about 10 chars
22:19 rangi made it much harder to understand
22:19 cait made me take 2 minutes more :)
22:19 cait it seems.... wrong
22:19 rangi so its searchResults
22:19 cait wich is a record with items i giess?
22:19 cait not an item?
22:20 rangi handing back items that dont have a homebranch
22:20 rangi add a warn Dumper $_;
22:20 rangi have a look what they actually are
22:21 cait use Data::Dumper; first right?
22:21 rangi yup
22:21 eythian wizzyrea: that's 3.14.14
22:21 wizzyrea ah
22:22 wizzyrea then no.
22:22 cait i am really struggling with that loop thing
22:23 cait can i even add it in the right spot with that way of writin git?
22:23 cait i want to add the warn inside the loop right?
22:23 rangi not easily, id probably fix the loop while i was there
22:24 cait yeah guessed that much
22:24 rangi otherwise next time we will have to go through confusion again
22:24 rangi it's not like it makes the code run any faster
22:25 cait well can tell you what it's not
22:25 cait an item.
22:25 wahanui an item is, like, supposed to be overdued over two days already
22:25 rangi yeah
22:25 rangi i suspected as much
22:25 cait it looks like the search result HTML
22:25 cait so what comes back from the xslt
22:25 rangi so will have to trace back where that code came in, and why and fix it
22:25 rangi yeah
22:25 cait it was added by srdjan's patch
22:25 cait i checked that
22:25 cait but no idea what he was trying to do there
22:26 rangi which patch?
22:26 wahanui i heard which patch was that?
22:26 cait 1802aa91530a4e8716da4a6b956ca6e0cee7d471
22:26 cait allowonshelfholds
22:26 wahanui i heard allowonshelfholds was off
22:27 cait 5786
22:27 rangi try turning xslt off
22:28 rangi maybe it works then
22:28 wnickc ah, xml records it looks like
22:29 wnickc and maybe it dislikes records without items
22:30 wizzyrea it dislikes results with reserves on them.
22:30 wnickc i took out all my reserves
22:31 rangi its checking all of them
22:31 mtj hey eythian, im gonna try for a 3.16 release today
22:31 cait it's just looking for something that doesn't exist
22:31 rangi whether they have reserves or not
22:31 eythian mtj: cool
22:31 cait a ssoon as the if is triggered... boom
22:31 rangi it checks every search result, to see if it is allowed a hold
22:31 eythian mtj: if it's not too late today, let me know when it's in git and I can build packages before the notice goes out.
22:32 cait non-xslt migth be the answer
22:32 cait at least that looks like a hash
22:32 rangi yeah
22:32 wizzyrea it only died for me once one of the results had a reserve on it. *shrug*
22:32 cait but it's not an item list - no homebranch
22:32 rangi OPACItemHoldsAllowed($_, $borrower)
22:32 cait doesn't work for either
22:33 rangi and then later it goes $_->{homebranch} || die
22:34 dcook cait: I think you might have commented on the wrong bug?
22:34 cait oh
22:34 cait which one?
22:34 wahanui which one is, like, that? The fixed navbar
22:34 dcook I think you did bug 3144 but meant 4274?
22:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3144 normal, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Stable , anti-spam for opac-suggestions
22:36 cait ok, fixed the comment
22:36 wnickc yeah, seems to work okay if all records have items
22:36 wnickc but all records don't have to have items
22:36 cait rangi: i have no idea how to fix, apart from throwing ut that code
22:37 rangi rewrite it in opac-search.pl
22:37 cait it can't work... but the feature works... can we just kill it?
22:37 rangi to check if it actually has items
22:37 rangi if it does, then check if they are holdable .. else well of course they arent .. they dont exist :)
22:38 rangi ie, only call OPACItemHoldsAllowed
22:38 rangi if you actually have an item
22:38 cait hm what if i have multiple?
22:38 cait the structure won't work
22:38 cait and i get HTML back
22:38 rangi id probably revert and get it rewritten to work properly
22:38 cait i'd need to actually get the items for the itemnumber first... and then it's not a single value
22:38 cait *sigh*
22:39 cait i will start leaving a note on the bug i guess
22:39 wnickc sorry I derailed everyone
22:39 cait as i said... i don't think it's needed
22:39 rangi im not going to guess about that, currently it breaks the opac
22:39 rangi so needs to not be there, until it doesnt
22:40 cait hm?
22:40 wizzyrea I think that amounts to "kill it with fire"
22:40 rangi im not a fan of the lets leave it and try and fix it
22:40 rangi im more a fan of get it out until its actually fixed
22:41 rangi but not my call
22:44 wnickc goodnight all! I caused enought trouble for one day :)
22:44 rangi hehe naw its all good
22:44 wizzyrea better to find it now.
22:45 rangi i guess could leave it for another little while, and try to fix it before may
22:45 cait wnickc: now you are the yellow bird ;)
22:45 wizzyrea big bird.
22:45 wahanui big bird is from S... that.
22:45 wnickc lolz
22:45 cait fix it fast.. but maybe we are lucky and the dev is around
22:45 cait *keeps fingers crossed*
22:45 wnickc I am going to tell that to my toddler
22:45 wnickc he will enjoy
22:46 wnickc bye
22:46 wizzyrea http://media.giphy.com/media/PlQFFxwdG7Icw/giphy.gif < this
22:46 eythian no wahanui, big bird is from sesamstraße
22:46 wahanui okay, eythian.
22:46 dcook hehe
22:46 eythian (actually, different countries have different characters, so it's quite possible that's a lie)
22:46 dcook O_O
22:46 dcook Really?
22:46 eythian I know
22:47 * dcook didn't really watch it much as a kid
22:47 wizzyrea breaking things is http://media.giphy.com/media/PlQFFxwdG7Icw/giphy.gif
22:47 wizzyrea breaking things?
22:47 wahanui rumour has it breaking things is http://media.giphy.com/media/PlQFFxwdG7Icw/giphy.gif
22:47 dcook Although I always liked Oscar the Grouch.
22:47 wizzyrea no wahanui, breaking things is <reply> http://media.giphy.com/media/PlQFFxwdG7Icw/giphy.gif
22:47 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
22:47 cait forget big bird
22:47 wahanui cait: I forgot big bird
22:47 eythian cait: ...!
22:47 cait wahanui: big bird is from Sesamstraße
22:47 wahanui OK, cait.
22:47 dcook There's actually an Oscar the Grouch "ride" at a nearby shopping centre. It's a bit weird... I don't know what kid would want to pay money to ride a moving trash can...
22:48 cait at least use valid characters!
22:48 eythian except for the S, I thought I did
22:49 cait it showed as a question mark for me
22:50 eythian oh, probably IRC encoding issues
22:50 eythian the "standard" IRC coding is a latin1/unicode mishmash
22:50 eythian whereas it should be UTF-8 by now.
22:51 * dcook definitely saw the ß
22:51 cait eythian: i know how to take revenge for the big bird... i could test your ES opac again... :)
22:52 eythian well, I haven't updated it for a while, so you won't learn anything new :)
22:53 eythian I should do that soon though, but I probably won't get a chance today.
22:54 cait wizzyrea: it looks to me like it's always broken as soon as you are logged in
22:54 cait because of if ($borrower) it's wrapped in
22:54 wizzyrea yeah i'm sure you're right
22:54 * cait stops staring at it now
23:11 cait will try to stop feeling guilty and go to bed - night all
23:41 mtj peeps, could i get another jenkins node added to kc.org?
23:43 mtj could i add my slave to kc.org
23:44 mtj alos, not urgent.. ^
23:44 mtj also
23:47 tcohen @later tell cait have a good night, and don't worry, we always fix bugs :-D
23:47 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.