Time Nick Message 23:18 bag oh whoops cait is gone 23:18 bag cait: done 23:05 dcook lol 23:02 tcohen disturbingly busy day 23:01 eythian weirdo :) 23:01 cait bye eythian :-P 22:53 eythian bye cait 22:53 eythian hi cait 22:52 cait night #koha 22:50 dcook Good ol' tardigrades 22:46 eythian tardigrades moreso 22:45 bag birds are the one animal that are everywhere - every habitat etc 22:44 bag I would choose the super power of flying over swimming 22:44 cait hi tcohen :) 22:39 dcook hey tcohen :) 22:38 tcohen hi dcook 22:36 dac Just saying 22:36 dac Sounds like a super species to me 22:36 dac Depending on the bird... you can walk, swim, and fly 22:36 dac Being a bird would be sweet! 22:34 wahanui hello, tcohen 22:34 tcohen hi 22:28 wizzyrea this is a phase that may or may not end :) 22:26 bag ever changing animal that one - the imagination has kicked in 22:26 rangi heh 22:26 bag Ginny just ran in and said - Hi birdie daddy… today she is a baby bird 22:23 drojf night 22:12 cait and i can't locate the code for it? gr. 22:12 cait hm the routing list slip has a badly formatted date 22:07 drojf it says so in the agenda too ;) 22:05 drojf i thought we'll vote in may 21:58 rangi bag++ 21:58 rangi thanks bag 21:56 bag see if it makes sense 21:56 bag I’ve got a draft - I’m going to let it sit for another 30 minutes and then reread it 21:56 cait ok :) 21:56 bag I am working on that one cait 21:56 cait did you send your other email too? 21:55 cait bag++ 21:54 bag rangi: done 21:32 bag not fast - but sometime today 21:32 wahanui okay, eythian. 21:32 eythian no wahanui, general meeting is 8 April 2015 at 19:00 UTC 21:31 wahanui ...but general meeting is when?... 21:31 eythian wahanui: general meeting is 8 April 2015 at 19:00 UTC 21:31 bag let me finish my first email and then I will do that 21:31 rangi awesome thanks 21:31 bag I can do that rangi 21:31 rangi hmm someone should probably email about the roles for 3.22 21:31 bag 8 April 2015 at 19:00 UTC 21:30 eythian don't keep it to yourself bag 21:29 bag got it - thanks wiki 21:27 wahanui general meeting is when? 21:27 bag general meeting? 21:27 bag anybody have an idea of the next general meeting? 21:21 wnickc I would be more comfortable in a world with less proof of rule 34 21:10 eythian http://www.cnet.com/news/microsofts-clippy-gets-down-and-dirty-in-new-erotic-e-book/ 21:07 eythian hi 20:44 rangi yup 20:41 wizzyrea also, just reiterating that *design is important* 20:19 cait ah, me too 20:19 drojf morning rangi 20:18 rangi heh that confused me for a minute I thought it was butte montana 20:15 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 20:15 rangi @later tell joubu just a vestige .. Koha::Log or something should theoretically take its place 20:14 cait morning rangi 20:14 rangi morning 20:11 cwhitehouse Thanks for all of the info I really appreciate it. I'll go check in on the bywater IRC channel 20:11 cwhitehouse Ok Thanks for the info. I had the library staff who usually handles bywater support requests to put in a request for me to talk to someone in their support team but I thought I might as well ask here. I am not a programmer just a network technician that supports their staff network but its possible if bywater does not have a solution thewy could always hire someone to write the needed script for them. 20:10 Brendon Exit 20:09 cait cwhitehouse: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/APIs_and_protocols_supported_by_Koha 20:08 cait but you could program something - maybe ils-di would be a bit easier there 20:08 wnickc thanks cait, meant to be more inclusive 20:08 cait sip is pretty library specific 20:08 cait hmmm maybe not a ready made one 20:07 cwhitehouse ok so theoretically I could find a script compatible with Koha's sip connection to use to validate a valid library card before they could access the protected page? 20:07 wnickc they have a channel too #bws-partners 20:06 wnickc there are probably some bywater folks around here 20:06 cait but sip is pretty common 20:06 cait or ils-di - there are a few options for authentication 20:06 wnickc other sites can use SIP to validate through koha 20:06 wnickc cwhitehouse: checking out books should be handled directly through koha 20:05 cwhitehouse I ask because they want to offer seveal links through their website but they would like Patrons to have to validate with their library card before they have access and I am just starting to look at ways to accomplish this 20:04 cwhitehouse Patrons use their library card number to check out books are those library cards valiudated through Koha or is bywatersolutions handling that seperatly? 20:03 mtj interesting.. -> http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/the-gnu-manifesto-turns-thirty 20:02 cwhitehouse I am helping the Butte County Library with a few questions. They are Using Koha that is reemotely installed and managed by a hosting company called bywatersolutions http://butte.bywatersolutions.com 20:02 mtj drojf: awesome news on the translation stufff :0) 20:02 * wnickc waves back 20:01 * mtj waves to cwhitehouse, wnickc 20:01 mtj morning #koha 20:01 cwhitehouse ok great 20:00 wnickc Sure 20:00 cwhitehouse Hi is someone available to ask a few very simple Koha questions to? 19:49 cait drojf++ 19:43 drojf downloading the file to test with 5k/s 19:42 drojf translation server is really slow now 19:41 drojf first full translation for 3.18.5 \o/ 19:16 cait hm no tcohen 18:29 nengard_phone thanks bag that worked 18:07 * cait waves 17:59 bag if you are using git dev install (that is) 17:59 bag ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl 17:59 nengard what's that command? 17:58 nengard grumble :) 17:58 bag run it from the commandline nengard ? 17:57 bag look for logging the updatedatabase as a bug 17:57 nengard so - how do i upgrade then 17:57 bag nengard: it’s a recently pushed patch - I think eythian made some adjustments to the patch 17:52 nengard Cannot open log file /home/nengard/koha-dev/var/log/updatedatabase_2015-03-18T12:52:13.log: No such file or directory at /home/nengard/kohaclone/installer/install.pl line 332. 17:52 nengard just did a git pull on my koha and got an error i've never seen when trying to upgrade: 16:27 cait yeah, split it up now... but not happy 16:27 nengard eek 16:26 cait timed out on me for 3.000 borrowers :( 16:26 cait hm 3.18 borrower import is very slow 16:03 reiveune bye 14:45 barton that might or might not be relevant. 14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8751 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , printable version of holds queue printing different pages 14:44 barton cait: I did find this: Bug 8751 - printable version of holds queue printing different pages 14:43 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:43 Joubu @later tell rangi "Do you know if C4::Debug is useful or just a vestige?" 14:43 barton cait: yes. Sometimes they can print all pages. 14:43 Joubu Does someone know if C4::Debug is useful or just a vestige? 14:42 cait intermittent? 14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10108 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, can't print more than one page of overdues 14:40 sophie_m barton: Bug 10108 ? 14:36 barton do we have any way of tracking intermittent issues, community wide? that would be a powerful trouble-shooting tool. 14:33 barton cait ... good to know. I'll broaden my search. 14:31 cait barton: hm there have been bugs about only printing the first page... but not sure if it was holdsq ueue 14:17 barton I just had one of our partners report an intermittent issue that I hadn't run into before -- when they print the holds queue, and it spans multiple pages, sometimes only page 1 will print. It's not a diacritics issue, according to the partner. Anyone ever see anything similar? 14:15 * barton waves the morning wave. 13:50 Joubu just to avoid an empty file 13:50 Joubu if one is empty (i.e. no error or no success), it is removed 13:50 Joubu no, the redirections of stdout and stderr are done in 2 separated files (updatedatabase_TIMESTAMP.log and updatedatabase-error_TIMESTAMP.log) 13:49 nengard and #koha 13:49 cait i think i don't quite understand how it works 13:49 nengard hi magnuse 13:49 cait the file name has a timestamp as part of it - i thought it woudl delete the file from the last intaller run 13:49 Joubu cait: actually I remove the file if it is empty 13:49 cait i think i misread 13:49 cait it's the same file it created earlier, right? 13:48 Joubu cait: the time stamp bit? 13:48 magnuse kia ora nengard 13:47 cait it's confusing to me 13:46 cait hm not sure - it looks like it would not work because it's missing the time stamp bit 13:44 Joubu the rm removes a file created before 13:43 cait Joubu: i think it's used for other things if you are running a dev install - i think the eval does rm something... it looked dangerous 13:42 tcohen the fact that the apache process runs with a different user… we cannot avoid it 13:42 Joubu cait: yes, the permissions need to be changed 13:41 cait i think we need to change something there as currently it just breaks the installer 13:41 cait in any of my environments 13:41 cait Joubu: the other logs write there without problems - but it cannot create the file 13:40 Joubu it's not used somewhere else 13:39 Joubu cait: you can change it if needed 13:39 Joubu cait: note that the dir used is the one defined in the logdir entry of the koha conf 13:39 Joubu cait: actually we don't have a lot of choices. If we agree with the idea, we should change the permissions to this directory, it they are wrong 13:38 Joubu cait: I asked tcohen during the hackfest if the permissions were ok, and he told me yes. 13:30 tcohen morning 13:29 magnuse ah, nice to have you back huginn 13:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (2:20 PM CET on March 18, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 13:29 magnuse @wunder boo 13:00 cait Joubu: any news on the broken web installer? just ran into it again trying to qa :( 12:56 cait it is signed off now 12:56 cait oh 12:55 cait magnuse: i'd like to have it in 3.18 actually 12:44 magnuse sure, right after i have done a ton of other things... ;-) 12:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13863 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Datatables paging for cities and search history pages is broken 12:41 cait bug 13863 - super easy 12:39 cait magnuse: you knw yo uwant to 12:39 cait i need a signoff still :) 12:38 magnuse Joubu: not helpful :-) 12:38 * magnuse tries some music 12:33 * Joubu sends kitten's pictures to magnuse 12:32 magnuse someone please kick me back into work mode? 12:31 tcohen will try to reload the IRC client 12:30 tcohen hi cait magnuse 12:30 cait hi tcohen 12:30 tcohen http://snag.gy/MI8xm.jpg 12:30 wahanui well, breathes relieved is not his fault 12:30 * tcohen breathes relieved 12:29 magnuse here! 12:29 wahanui i heard everyone was doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver 12:29 tcohen where's everyone? 12:29 tcohen morning 11:18 * thd sleeps again 11:07 kivilahtio thd: I know, we wouldn't be anywhere without it. Too many libraries fear to make the leap. 11:06 thd kivilahtio: Fearlessness is important ;) 11:06 huginn cait: oleonard was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, 11 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <oleonard> That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on. 11:06 cait @seen oleonard 11:05 thd s/by RDA/for RDA under CC:DA, Committee on Cataloging: Description and Access/ 11:03 kivilahtio sorry, certainly I don't know enough to be afraid :) 11:03 thd kivilahtio: On the general problem of normalisation and machine readability in bibliographic records, there is ongoing work by RDA working groups to fix some problems such as having machine readable extent statements. 11:02 kivilahtio godo enough 11:02 kivilahtio have a couple of different edition variations to cover 11:02 kivilahtio then i send that marc field to the index 11:01 kivilahtio i put in this marc field, i get this marc field out 11:01 kivilahtio give or take a couple subfields 11:01 kivilahtio thd: I thikn it is entirely testable for one MARC Field 11:01 kivilahtio thd: atleast you can try :) 11:01 thd kivilahtio: Machine testability for all cases of textual data is tricky. 10:59 thd kivilahtio: Normalisation really entails adding additional normalised fields somewhere to supplement existing fields in the original bibliographic record. 10:58 kivilahtio not saying that XSLT is bad, but I would like to have something more easily testable 10:57 kivilahtio thd: I cant remember how it was done in ES integraton, but I hope that it doesnt use the Zebra-way or even closely touch the Zebra configuration and XSLT-files 10:56 thd kivilahtio: The problem of data normalisation is independent of the indexing system used. 10:55 thd kivilahtio: exactly ;) 10:55 kivilahtio thd: yes, like having a sane sorting index for the edition statement :) 10:54 thd kivilahtio: As cait describes. The proper procedure following cataloguing rules would be to follow cataloguing rules when cataloguing and have the automation system generate additional fields as needed which normalise values based on what the cataloguer has entered. 10:54 kivilahtio thd: I will provide the index. Somebody else can work from there. Bear in mind that we are havin ElasticSearch support at the end of this year, so I am optimistic taht it will solve a lot of these problems we now have. Including making pre-indexing filtering easier 10:53 kivilahtio thd: I understand that you would like to have the values in the MARC Record somehow search-normalzied 10:53 kivilahtio thd: I am sorry, but that goes beyond my knowledge of Zebra. I tried dabbling with the XSLT-transformers buit it is not fun 10:52 thd kivilahtio: A great work would be to both index the transcribed statement and add an index for normalised values. Normalising all possible edition statements is an unbounded problem but some normalisation would be helpful for catalogue users. 10:52 cait might be wrong tho 10:52 cait kivilahtio: i think the rule is that you don't normalize, but use what's on the cover or so 10:52 kivilahtio thd: You search what you have? 10:51 kivilahtio thd: Shoudldn't that be something the cataloguer should worry about when he puts stuff in the field 205, it is not the indexers issue? 10:50 thd kivilahtio: Transcribed elements are not normalised in the form of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. 10:50 kivilahtio thd: I am all ears while I am testing the Edition index 10:49 thd kivilahtio: The problem with indexing edition statements is that they are transcribed according to cataloguing rules. 10:48 thd kivilahtio: Continuing about indexing ... 10:44 drojf scan me some food too, please 10:43 * magnuse wanders off in search of a scanner and some food 10:41 bag I can look at that one cait 10:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13863 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Datatables paging for cities and search history pages is broken 10:40 cait can we get a sign off for bug 13863 please? 10:39 gmcharlt bag: oooh, egg pie! 10:39 magnuse joann++ BobB++ slef++ 10:35 bag Sonja is making quiche tonight - not sure if I want to miss that or not ‘) 10:35 kivilahtio you are welcome! 10:35 slef or if hallucinations wouldn't be a problem doing them 10:34 slef bag: depends if you have anything to do this evening 10:34 slef done 10:34 davidnind slef++ 10:34 * bag decides if I climb back into bed or just starts working for the day 10:33 bag thanks everyone 10:33 * slef posts that to the agenda 10:33 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/fundraising_irc_meeting.2015-03-18-09.59.log.html 10:33 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/fundraising_irc_meeting.2015-03-18-09.59.txt 10:33 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/fundraising_irc_meeting.2015-03-18-09.59.html 10:33 huginn Meeting ended Wed Mar 18 10:33:12 2015 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 10:33 slef #endmeeting 10:33 slef #agreed <davidnind> BIG thanks to those involved to date in working through setting this up 10:33 wahanui I watch you sleep. 10:33 davidnind joann++ 10:33 BobB good night 10:32 paul_p have a good day/night/afternoon/evening/morning every one 10:32 davidnind BIG thanks to those involved to date in working through setting this up 10:32 slef yes, thanks all... it's been... well, painful, but I think we're getting a stronger step forwards for it... 10:31 slef then I'm closing if nothing is being recorded :) 10:31 joann awesome everyone. 10:31 slef you've got until the end of the radio news bulletin, maybe1 minute 10:31 joann thd++ 10:30 thd I take it as given that rules can always be patched if bugs are found. 10:30 slef any last #info or shall we close this meeting? 10:30 slef thd: and publish the bloody source code ;) 10:30 thd I would hope that those drafting rules will publish the draft rules and request further comment possibly before adopting them. 10:30 slef banks-- 10:29 magnuse community++ 10:29 slef joann: other NZers are more likely to know what works. I know I can use stuff aimed at the UK which doesn't work outside the EU. 10:29 cait tht++ 10:29 bag joann++ 10:29 joann I am absolutely open to those as well . Paypal is quick and immediate solution, other options can be folded in. 10:29 slef gmcharlt++ 10:29 bag THT++ 10:29 * slef is still sore about kohacon12 funds getting frozen for weeks 10:29 cait gmcharlt++ 10:29 BobB THT and Jo +++ 10:28 slef please give non-paypal ways if you can 10:28 slef done 10:27 davidnind gmcharlt++ 10:27 joann #info Joann Ransom (THT) will get the MOU signed by everyone nd filed online somewhere, establish a ban\k account, and a paypal donate button :) 10:27 * gmcharlt is also willing to commit to act as secretary to the group and provide public updates during the rule-making disucssions 10:27 slef I'll add that 10:26 BobB #info also, Next Steps in this should be an agenda item for the next IRC meeting 10:26 slef #action bag to put out a call for volunteers. There is space on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising to use 10:26 bag great thanks paul_p and gmcharlt 10:26 gmcharlt ditto 10:26 paul_p bag = you can put my name on the volunteers list 10:26 magnuse bag++ 10:26 slef np bag 10:26 bag #info next step… we need volunteers for the subcommittee to establish “bylaws†etc… I volunteer to put out a call for those volunteers 10:25 bag sorry 10:25 slef The agenda says " Signatories and community to develop the rules and guidelines for deciding on grants, etc " but I think (hope!) that not all that will happen in this meeting. 10:25 bag next step… we need volunteers for the subcommittee to establish “bylaws†etc… I volunteer to put out a call for those volunteers 10:25 slef Would any of the signatories like to #info what they see as the next community-involving step, please? 10:25 huginn Yes (15): Joubu, magnuse, davidnind, joann, nlegrand, andreashm, irma, slef, BobB, khall, bag, kivilahtio, paul_p, thd, drojf 10:25 huginn Voted on "Endorse bag rangi BobB paul_p gmcharlt nengard as signatories?" Results are 10:25 slef #endvote 10:25 slef #vote Yes 10:25 paul_p #vote Yes 10:24 cait sorry, misread 10:24 cait ah, ok 10:24 drojf i didn't 10:24 slef cait: nope, see irma and joann 10:24 drojf nope 10:24 cait for it to count 10:24 slef waiting for 3 more or for about 1 minute 10:24 cait you need a capital Y 10:24 bag #vote yes 10:24 huginn Yes (12): Joubu, magnuse, davidnind, joann, nlegrand, andreashm, irma, BobB, khall, kivilahtio, thd, drojf 10:24 slef #showvote 10:23 khall #vote yes 10:22 thd #vote Yes 10:22 joann #vote yes 10:22 drojf #vote yes 10:22 joann Nicole has ben confirmed by Brendan - so yes - they are all wiling 10:22 irma #vote yes 10:22 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising 10:22 andreashm #vote Yes 10:22 davidnind #vote Yes 10:22 BobB #vote Yes 10:22 nlegrand #vote Yes 10:22 magnuse #vote Yes 10:22 Joubu #vote Yes 10:22 kivilahtio #vote Yes 10:22 slef cait: logs of which? 10:22 thd joann: Do you have the ascent of all the listed signers who did not add their own names? 10:22 cait ah found it 10:22 slef joann: I'm always abrupt so I'm not going to grumble 10:21 cait slef: could you post the wiki links again for the logs? 10:21 joann (ust realised I am tired and abrubt - sorry everyone. 11.20pm here) 10:21 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:21 huginn Begin voting on: Endorse bag rangi BobB paul_p gmcharlt nengard as signatories? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Some, Abstain. 10:21 slef #startvote Endorse bag rangi BobB paul_p gmcharlt nengard as signatories? Yes, No, Some, Abstain 10:21 magnuse gmcharlt++ 10:21 slef joann: there are six listed on the wiki. I'm going to open the vote now and let people say yes/no to all, or ask to vote them one-by-one. 10:21 bag I think we open the vote 10:20 joann slef: where are we up to and what hapens now re identifying signatories? 10:20 cait no problem with the mou in general 10:20 cait i think the main problem was the short amount of time- i was travelling for example and didn#t have any chance to read the mou before the meeting - more a problem if timing than anything else 10:20 cait gmcharlt++ 10:19 joann tats enough :) 10:19 thd Certainly documents require time to examine with appropriate attention. Also, long quiet periods for old issues can be problematic when we raised again to proceed. 10:19 slef ok, more questions/comments/changes, or open the vote? 10:19 gmcharlt that's it 10:19 gmcharlt tl;dr - I am willing to sign; I'm volunteering to participate on fundraising committee, particular during the initial stage 10:18 gmcharlt or 10:18 gmcharlt and, FWIW, I'm willing to participate in helping with good ones 10:18 joann and then we have to decide who is going to form a sub group to do all the hard stuf, working out how the fundraising and grants committee wil be established and operae 10:18 slef http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting__2_17_december_2014.2014-12-17-21.09.html 10:18 gmcharlt but that obviously, the final details of the rules will no doubt determine the extent to which people are willing to donate 10:18 slef yeah probably - for one, I was unaware of what was happening, which is probably my fault, but the minutes of December's meeting were not exactly clear 10:18 gmcharlt namely, that because of the inclusion of the 11.3, I am now willing to sign 10:17 joann so, the question is do we have some people wiling to be signatories, and a community happy to support those nominations 10:17 gmcharlt but let me finish my initial point 10:17 gmcharlt :) 10:17 gmcharlt bag: that does not actually respond to my point that the MOU itself was visible only a day before folk were asked to give assent to others to sign it on behlf of the community 10:17 BobB I think people are overlooking the December vote 10:16 joann I think the real work, the heavy lifting, has yet to be done. This is just the first step. 10:16 bag there was a vote in december that said yes move forward etc 10:16 bag it’s not new 10:16 bag gmcharlt: that’s the thing - we’ve been working on this for a long time 10:16 gmcharlt devised prior to the naming of a grants committee 10:16 gmcharlt my substantive concerns were addressed by the inclusion of the clause that a conflict of interest policy must be 10:15 joann Chris was happy via email 10:15 gmcharlt while I've been less than thrilled at some of the pushingness to get this thing approved instantly -- why ask for community assent without a reasonable time to read the doc... 10:15 BobB thx bag 10:15 bag I have confirmed with nengard that she’s ok with signing 10:15 slef waiting on gmcharlt 10:15 joann It is just an MOU remember 10:15 paul_p joann OK 10:14 paul_p joann what kind of signature will it be ? Will it be a real signature ? 10:14 joann yes. but it could be scanned and emailed. 10:14 gmcharlt one thing to mention 10:14 slef does NZ accept digital signatures? 10:14 slef which I can't give 10:14 thd kivilahtio: trust but verify ;) 10:14 slef waiting for answer to paul_p 10:14 paul_p (even if I'd like to go to NZ once again) 10:14 drojf i put those mentioned here on the list, some of them agreed last time, some did not say anything. i think only bag put his name in the list by himself 10:14 BobB subject to their consent, I guess 10:14 kivilahtio hence I trust their verdict 10:14 slef magnuse: I understand bag added himself and the others were confirmed last meetting 10:14 paul_p what kind of signature will it be ? Will it be a real signature (don't expect me to go to NZ to sign the MOU ;-) ) 10:14 kivilahtio thd: not always, I have seen some names say yes who I think know better than I do 10:14 slef Unless someone shouts, I'll open the vote... 10:13 thd kivilahtio: consensus is often wrong :) 10:13 magnuse have they all agreed to sign? 10:13 kivilahtio if Finance committee can automatically publish the fund status and all who donated to it and why, then i see no problem 10:13 slef Are we going with six? 10:13 slef Any last-gasp changes to the proposed signatories? 10:13 kivilahtio I havenät rad the agreement, but just now, and I am no financial expert, so hence I said yes, because that seems to be the consensus, just asking :) 10:12 huginn Yes (16): Joubu, magnuse, davidnind, cait, irma, andreashm, nlegrand, slef, BobB, bag, joann, gmcharlt, kivilahtio, paul_p, thd, drojf 10:12 huginn Voted on "Does this meeting endorse the MOU with Grants Committee changed to Grants Sub-Committee throughout?" Results are 10:12 slef #endvote 10:12 thd kivilahtio may be raising an important point but I took it that the sub-committee could make its own rules for better disclosure. 10:12 joann and I am happy to publically confirm that THT wil be able to produce statements of all activity on request, or at agreed periods, with no great effort 10:12 slef 1... 10:12 slef 2... 10:12 slef closing vote in 3... 10:12 kivilahtio slef: thanks 10:12 slef kivilahtio: if we obliged THT to do work for us, we probably should give them x% to cover their admin costs, like SPI takes 5% of its project donations IIRC 10:12 bag that’s the key - what BobB - highlighted - minimise the burden on THT 10:11 kivilahtio hmm , I understand thanks for the clarification 10:11 BobB we have done everyting possible in teh MOU to minimise the burden on THT 10:11 drojf i understood it like slef did 10:11 slef I welcome joann or BobB confirming... heh 10:11 joann THT will also be able to produce monthly statements at the push of a button; no problems there. 10:11 BobB kivilahtio, it is the responsibility of the Fundraising Committee to keep the community informed of the activity in the Fund 10:11 slef kivilahtio: my understanding is that 13.1 means the Fundraising Committee has the obligation, rather than us making the Trust work for us. 10:11 kivilahtio joann: yes I know, but this is for the Fundraising Committee 10:10 joann The Trust would have to disclose details of the funds raised and how they were dispersed in our audited annual report. 10:10 kivilahtio Or would it be possible to have it somehow automatically visible? 10:09 gmcharlt #vote yes 10:09 kivilahtio I think the trust should have an obligation to publish the status of the fund? 10:09 kivilahtio Loooking at the caluse 13.4 The Trust has no obligation to publish information about the Fund but may do so freely if it wishes. 10:09 gmcharlt #infoo Galen Charlton, Equinox 10:08 gmcharlt good $time_of_day 10:08 nlegrand #vote yes 10:08 BobB #vote yes 10:08 kivilahtio #vote Yes 10:08 paul_p #vote Yes 10:08 irma #vote yes 10:08 drojf #vote yes 10:08 andreashm #vote Yes 10:08 slef I'm putting this as a enumerated vote so there can be no doubt 10:08 Joubu #vote Yes 10:08 joann #vote yes 10:08 thd #vote Yes 10:08 bag #vote Yes 10:08 davidnind #vote Yes 10:08 slef #vote Yes 10:08 irma +1 10:08 magnuse #vote Yes 10:07 cait #vote Yes 10:07 BobB +1 10:07 cait +1 10:07 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:07 huginn Begin voting on: Does this meeting endorse the MOU with Grants Committee changed to Grants Sub-Committee throughout? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. 10:07 slef #startvote Does this meeting endorse the MOU with Grants Committee changed to Grants Sub-Committee throughout? Yes, No, Abstain 10:07 davidnind +1 10:07 magnuse +1 10:07 bag +1 10:07 BobB I second Jo's motion 10:06 thd slef: I think that the organisation of HLT should be respected for funds ultimately managed by HLT even if the 'sub-committee' has appropriate autonomy of action. 10:06 bag +1 joann 10:06 joann I move that the grants committee be referred to as "the grants subcomittee' throughout the MOU 10:06 slef Any other amendments or questions before we move to vote? 10:06 bag no no I mean if we change it all to sub committee - then that would be consistent ;) 10:06 slef there's both terms used in one clause there 10:05 slef bag: read 11.2 and there are others 10:05 joann but yes - standardised regradles :) 10:05 bag Sub-Committee is consistent 10:05 joann I would prefer it left as a subcommittee 10:05 slef It just seems confusing to have both in there. 10:05 BobB agree 10:04 slef joann: I'm happy to have Grants Committee changed to Grants Sub-Committee throughout, if you prefer. 10:04 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 10:04 BobB wrong slef, the grants sub-committee is a sub-committee of THT's Finance Committee 10:04 slef Would anyone second that, or BobB/joann accept the amendment? 10:04 nlegrand #info Nicolas Legrand, BULAC, France 10:04 joann It is a sub committee of THT Finance Committee 10:04 slef Sorry to amend from the chair, but I amend " with Grants Sub-committee changed to Grants Committee throughout" 10:03 joann I second that the meeting endorse the MOU 10:03 BobB I move, "That the meeting endorse the MOU" 10:02 slef #info There are six signatories proposed on there. 10:02 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising 10:02 slef #topic A fund for Koha development 10:02 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library 10:01 paul_p #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre 10:01 irma #info Irma Birchall CALYX Australia 10:00 joann #info Joann Ransom, Horowhenua, NZ 10:00 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 10:00 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 10:00 slef #info MJ Ray, member of software.coop, England 10:00 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 10:00 kivilahtio #info Olli-Antti Kivilahti, Vaara-libraries, Joensuu, Finland 10:00 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre 10:00 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia 10:00 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 10:00 slef I'll give it 2 minute then move on 10:00 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 09:59 slef please introduce yourself with #info if you wish your attendance to be minuted 09:59 magnuse we already have one index that contains everything, methinks 09:59 bag magnuse: I got carried away 09:59 slef Thank you, $TZAG and welcome 09:59 magnuse bag: nah, that would be a few thousand indexes 09:59 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 09:59 slef #topic Introductions 09:59 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'fundraising_irc_meeting' 09:59 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 09:59 huginn Meeting started Wed Mar 18 09:59:25 2015 UTC. The chair is slef. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 09:59 slef #startmeeting Fundraising IRC meeting 09:59 * magnuse waves to all the people who are up at odd hours! 09:59 slef BONG 09:59 bag one index to rule them all 09:59 kivilahtio magnuse: yes 09:59 kivilahtio thd: So I said to them that wi will add search indexes as the need arises. So instead of doing arbitrary marc indexing, we index the needed subsets 09:59 magnuse one index per subfield? 09:58 thd kivilahtio: Merely that all systems underutilise the information contain in the bibliographic and other records 09:58 kivilahtio thd: I think that might be a bit too much to ask 09:58 kivilahtio thd: Our partner librarians are asking for a full marc search, so they could say any marc field and subfield to search from 09:58 kivilahtio thd: what do you mean? 09:57 thd kivilahtio: There is more which 'should' be indexed than that which any system does index. 09:57 joann hi bob 09:57 BobB hi joann 09:56 bag hey BobB 09:56 BobB hi bag, cait 09:56 cait hmmm wonder where he is 09:56 huginn cait: oleonard was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 1 minute, and 25 seconds ago: <oleonard> That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on. 09:56 cait @seen oleonard 09:55 kivilahtio hi tehre 09:55 joann Greetings everyone 09:55 bag heya cait 09:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11194 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add a new index for edition of a document 09:55 kivilahtio thd: Thanks! I bookmarked that. You might want to take a peek at Bug 11194 in an hour or so 09:55 bag good morning joann 09:55 cait morning bag 09:55 bag yeah they are stinkers 09:55 slef bag: time_zones-- 09:55 bag morning Joubu 09:55 bag hey slef long time :) 09:54 thd kivilahtio: The most complete recent UNIMARC bibliographic format document in English without charge may be http://archive.ifla.org/VI/8/unimarc-concise-bibliographic-format-2008.pdf 09:54 Joubu bag++ #you are awake! 09:54 slef hi bag. Sorry you're up so early 09:53 bag good morning 09:52 ashimema we don't have anyone to represent us in the office :( 09:50 magnuse fundraising meeting in 10 minutes? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising_IRC_meeting_18_March_2015 09:40 Joubu cait: yep 09:39 cait or we let kivi do the sign... and i qa ;) 09:39 cait Joubu: will you write the patches? i can sign 09:38 kivilahtio 205 Edition statement , phew... 09:38 kivilahtio http://www.ifla.org/files/assets/uca/unimarc_updates/BIBLIOGRAPHIC/u-b_2-_description_information_block_update.pdf 09:38 Joubu catalogue/search-history 09:38 cait Joubu: aah, we don't use that. missed it 09:38 kivilahtio Does anybody know where can I find english unimarc documentation? which would be somewhat in par to the LOC's Marc21 documentation? 09:37 kivilahtio In which field is edition in UNIMARC? In MARC21 it is field 250$a 09:37 Joubu admni/cities 09:36 cait ah cool was not sure how to - i went through the administration and tools pages, but i think we got more in circ 09:35 Joubu cait: I am checking 09:35 cait Joubu: thx for qa - hope that was the last one :) 09:28 drojf cait++ 09:26 wahanui kia ora, gaetan_B 09:26 gaetan_B hello 09:22 cait Continue translation (981 words left) ... hands over to drojf again 09:14 cait koha is used in so many different libraries, shoudl not shut out those with not so many resources 09:14 cait and how reliable it works 09:13 cait i think we also need to see how hard it's to set up ES 09:11 cait Joubu++ 09:10 kivilahtio but they taste better 09:09 kivilahtio afaik 09:09 kivilahtio Bananas get sloppy easily 09:09 kivilahtio :) 09:09 fridolin ;) 09:09 fridolin kivilahtio: I'm more banana 09:08 kivilahtio hi carrot hater 09:08 fridolin hie all 09:06 kivilahtio maybe :) 09:06 Joubu maybe without any changes :) 09:05 kivilahtio Joubu: I think we can hook that to ES without much difficulties 09:03 drojf heh 09:03 magnuse crowdcrazy! 09:03 magnuse gah s/"/\// 09:03 drojf crowdraising 09:03 magnuse s/crowdfunding/fundraising" 09:02 Joubu we developed a z3950 server to query Solr 09:02 magnuse crowdfunding meeting in 1 hour! 09:02 magnuse if we can do sru with es, i'll be happy to ditch zebra. but there WILL be libraries that need to have a z39.50 server, just wait and see 09:01 drojf don't get lost in the zebra's maze 09:01 drojf its not moving backwards, it's retaining backwards compatibility :P 09:00 kivilahtio anyway, gotta add an index... ... ... ... ... 09:00 kivilahtio afaik the world would be much better off by moving forward rather than backward 08:59 kivilahtio I think ByWater is working on a crowdfunding mode for Koha developments 08:59 kivilahtio I think we could make a z39-50 module for ES, or we ould contract Elastic to make one for us 08:58 drojf there was some z39.50 replacement talked about when using solr. don't remember what it was 08:58 kivilahtio so we need but SRU 08:58 kivilahtio In Finland we are deprecating z39.50 08:58 drojf nice. didn't know 08:58 kivilahtio but not z39.50 08:57 drojf oh 08:57 kivilahtio ES has SRU 08:57 kivilahtio and I am not saying not to have Zebra, around, just not accept any new modifications for it 08:57 drojf we need a way to do z39/50 and sru and what else zebra does then 08:57 kivilahtio I mean switching to ES makes no changes for the user 08:56 kivilahtio but i know the attitude 08:56 kivilahtio drojf: :) I have learned and I want to get rid of it asap 08:56 drojf i have not learned how to configure zebra for nothing. we have to keep it forever :D 08:56 kivilahtio Well... If Biblibre, Bywater and me will want to use ElasticSearch, I am pretty sure we can do it 08:55 Joubu the community wants to keep zebra 08:55 Joubu kivilahtio: that's why the Solr work was stuck in a POC, we were waiting for someone to work on the zebra code 08:55 kivilahtio drojf: I am hoping we could get rid of atleast 2000 lines of code 08:54 kivilahtio drojf: yes, ElasticSearch takes care of a lot of scaffolding we have had to do to make indexing work. 08:54 drojf but yes, it looks really nice in elasticsearch, if it's just the sql i've seen 08:54 kivilahtio I wont't :) I wil llabel all my patches, "Wil lwork on ElasticSearch" only 08:54 drojf i'm pretty sure 08:54 drojf oh we will for a while 08:53 kivilahtio I wouldn't be surprised if such someone would appear 08:53 kivilahtio I just hope somebody doesn't start demanding that we must maintain both Zebra and ElasticSearch :) 08:53 kivilahtio drojf: I have already added several indexes to Zebra. I just copy from my git patches :) Luckily we get ElasticSearch this year. Best of all it solves this "configure new index in gazillion different places"-issue. 08:51 Joubu cait: and I want to add it to the tables in the acq module, but I wait for the tax rewrite patches to be pushed 08:49 Joubu should be pushed soon :) 08:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13492 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Add location to the checkouts tables 08:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13372 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Items lost report improvements 08:49 Joubu cait: bug 13372 and bug 13492 08:48 drojf ^^ 08:48 drojf have fun with the zebra 08:47 kivilahtio and I think it would be nice to search for edition? 08:47 kivilahtio gotta fix that :) Our new Koha migrators want to match their incoming records using that. 08:46 kivilahtio wow wow, the Marc::Record->edition() subfield 250$a is not indexed other than in keyword index. 08:46 Joubu but not pushed yet 08:46 Joubu there are 2 new tables, yes 08:46 drojf check marks=häkchen 08:45 cait Joubu: wasn't there another patch for a colvis table i promised to test? 08:45 drojf they are just kästchen for häkchen machen :D 08:45 magnuse bonjour Joubu 08:45 cait hi Joubu :) 08:45 Joubu Hi #koha 08:45 drojf and all the way down the admin page ;) 08:45 cait 3.18 new :) 08:44 drojf i have never seen this :) 08:44 drojf ah 08:44 drojf spalten konfigurieren? 08:44 cait in administration, it has its own area 08:44 cait it saves your settings to the database, but you have a little control thing to change it on the page later if you decie you need to see one of the hidden columns 08:44 drojf and what is the syspref or where do i set it? 08:43 cait was hoping for some more patches in 3.18 :) 08:43 cait right now it's more a poc 08:43 magnuse in the livingroom 08:43 cait for example - if you don#t use basket groups, you could hide all the columns for them (if we had the feature implemented yet for acq) 08:43 drojf a table where? 08:43 cait you can configure how a table looks like 08:43 drojf or, where? 08:43 drojf what are they for? 08:42 drojf i was wondering about these table things. i can't really say without having a look at them 08:41 cait check marks 08:41 cait drojf: ? 08:39 cait If nothing is hidden you will see no check marks and will see all of the columns when viewing the table. 08:38 magnuse opac and pref done - woohoo! 08:31 drojf cookies would still help 08:31 cait meh ok 08:30 drojf so we just do it together. that's like, now :D 08:30 drojf and we could leave out the money part if we pay eacht other the same anyway 08:30 kivilahtio we need to improve the translation module 08:30 magnuse and you both get paid 08:29 magnuse um yeah. that, or you both do some 08:29 cait magnuse: and none of us actually does it? :) 08:29 drojf getting some sleep would have also helped. then again i translated in the night^^ 08:28 cait drojf++ fr already starting with translation last night 08:28 magnuse what if drojf pays cait to do it and cait pays drojf to do it? 08:28 drojf i'd like it more if you paid me :D 08:27 magnuse yeah! 08:27 cait paying someone else to do it? :) 08:26 wahanui google translate is getting better 08:26 magnuse google translate? 08:26 magnuse one cookie per word? 08:26 kivilahtio cait: me too. We had a nice talk with drojf last saturday about how to make it supe rawesome 08:25 * magnuse too 08:25 * cait hates translating 08:25 magnuse bonjour kivilahtio and sophie_m 08:25 sophie_m hello #koha 08:22 kivilahtio hiyaya 08:16 cait kia ora magnuse 08:13 magnuse kia ora cait 08:13 cait good morning #koha 08:04 Francesca au reviour koha, catch you around some other time 08:03 * Francesca waves goodbye 08:03 * Francesca waves 07:52 alex_a bonjour 07:48 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 07:48 reiveune hello 07:13 josef_moravec I think so 06:58 magnuse fundraising meeting in 3 hours? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising_IRC_meeting_18_March_2015 06:38 * magnuse waves 06:34 eythian later 06:34 eythian time for me to go also 06:34 eythian yeah, I think I've beaten SAML enough for today 06:34 dcook Ciao 06:33 dcook Tempted to go to the gym, but... want to nerd out a bit at home 06:33 dcook I think I'm off though 06:30 dcook Pretty much 06:30 eythian you'll never win that war, it can only be beaten through attrition 06:30 dcook Mind you, that war won't be over until it's gone forever 06:30 eythian heh 06:30 dcook eythian: I feel like that about IE 8 06:30 dcook paxed: Yeah, that's no fun 06:30 eythian dcook: I think I won the battle, not totally sure about the war though. 06:30 * dcook shudders 06:30 dcook I think I've figured out respond.js's little gotchas at least 06:30 paxed _especially_ when it takes ~6h to reindex zebra. 06:29 dcook eythian: that does sound like fun :( 06:29 dcook Yeah, authorities is a bit scary :/ 06:29 paxed it'll be faster for me to write my own perl script (that doesn't use zebra) to mangle the auth links the way i want, than start looking at koha and zebra. 06:27 paxed and LinkerRelink = do 06:27 paxed and LinkerKeepStale = do not 06:26 paxed i can't figure out why link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can't get rid of the auth linking, when there are no auth records, and zebra auth has been reindexed. 06:25 drojf patches welcome :P 06:23 * paxed hates koha's authority support. 06:12 * Francesca realises she has left irc sitting open for a entire day 05:53 eythian fun times. 05:53 eythian gar, I've just spent a few hours digging through strace output and .c files to diagnose an issue with apache. 05:50 dcook The wildlife will take care of us.. 05:50 dcook Agreed, drojf 05:50 dcook hehe 05:34 drojf you wouldn't expect a country full of huge spiders and other weird wildlife to need such kind of restrictions 05:16 * dcook still feels bad for every other immigrant ever 05:16 dcook Oh well. One month. Hopefully they'll approve me in one month. 05:16 dcook You also can only apply if "at least half of your children live permanently in Australia" 05:16 dcook Wow, it's another one of those ones of trying to keep out "immigrants" 05:15 dcook Just a bit, eh? 05:15 eythian that sounds a bit extreme 05:15 dcook "There can be long waiting times of up to 30 years before this visa is approved.​​​​" 05:15 dcook http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/103.aspx 05:15 dcook Whoa.. 05:12 dcook :) 04:59 eythian sounds like a plan :) 04:57 dcook Then I'll come visit Wellington ;) 04:56 dcook I should be in the ENS though... so 2nd highest priority and low risk so... 5 months... fingers crossed on an April approval... 04:55 dcook So it's anyone's bet really 04:55 dcook Most of these visas have been reclassed 04:55 dcook https://www.immi.gov.au/about/charters/client-services-charter/visas/8.0.htm 04:55 dcook Alas, the website is out of date 04:53 dcook Partner visa applicants don't usually hear back for at least a year 04:53 dcook It's the shortest estimated time I've seen published 04:53 eythian I suppose 04:53 dcook All in all, it's fairly short 04:52 * dcook shrug 04:52 eythian that's a long time 04:52 eythian wow 04:52 dcook In a few weeks, I will have been waiting 5 months on my application 04:52 dcook It would just lead to... yep... nope 04:51 wahanui yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha... 04:51 eythian yeah, that 04:51 eythian especially in the current australian political environment 04:51 dcook Especially because the Australian government would say that the other countries would be used to bring people in illegally somehow 04:51 * dcook can't see this ever happening 04:51 dcook It seemed a bit too good to be true :p 04:51 * dcook grumbles 04:50 eythian yeah, it's one guy's proposal, not anything official 04:50 dcook Slow down, heart 04:50 dcook Bah 04:50 dcook Hmm may just be a headline with no substance though.. 04:49 dcook So I haven't read this yet, but the headline is amazing: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/free-movement-proposed-between-canada-u-k-australia-new-zealand-1.2998105 04:47 dcook IE 8 is bad and should feel bad... 04:47 dcook Still... beats writing your own polyfill... 04:47 dcook Ahhh respond.js is amazingly brittle... 04:13 eythian heh 04:13 drojf i shouldn't be awake like this at 5 am 04:12 drojf enough late night translation. i'm sure cait would be disappointed if there were nothing left in the morning 04:09 dcook But doesn't throw any errors to say this.. 04:08 dcook respond.js really doesn't like an empty media query 04:08 dcook Oh man... 04:04 drojf good text, thanks for the link 04:01 * dcook might pass :p 03:50 drojf promising title 03:46 eythian https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/i-can-text-you-a-pile-of-poo-but-i-cant-write-my-name <-- an interesting read 03:44 drojf heh 03:38 eythian next you'll want smartquotes, and it's all downhill from there 03:38 eythian who needs umlauts anyway 03:35 drojf with forced umlauts :D 03:35 drojf i wish my president would endorse some encoding standard that only works for my language 03:34 eythian that's better. 03:33 drojf the on-site checkout checkbox checker checks the on-site checkout checkbox 03:33 drojf oh see, i did it wrong 03:31 eythian > ASCII was first used in 1963, and later endorsed by President Lyndon B. Johnson. 03:31 drojf the on-site checkbox checker checks the on-site checkout checkbox. 03:29 dcook When you check a checkbox, it hides the column when viewing the table? 03:29 dcook Wait, I think I get it 03:28 * dcook has no idea what that means 03:17 eythian that does not scan easily 03:12 drojf "If columns are hidden they will be checked off and hidden when you view the table." that sounds funny too 03:10 drojf of course, they are all german ;) 03:09 eythian they all sound funny 03:07 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 03:07 drojf @later tell cait we are using 'heimatbibliothek', 'heimbibliothek' and 'besitzende bibliothek'. 'heimatbibliothek is the one we have most, so i am using that for now, but i think it sounds funny. is it common in german library speak? 02:54 dcook Doing the fixing dance... 02:54 dcook Fixing all the things... 02:52 dcook \o/ 02:51 dcook Just part of the soup.. 02:51 dcook Oh wait.. maybe not 02:48 dcook Hurray! Fixed the tag soup! 02:45 eythian https://medium.com/travel-adventure/what-its-like-to-fly-the-23-000-singapore-airlines-suites-class-17d9f3fee0d <-- when I'm rich and famous, during the time my personal jet is on order, this will be part of the cost for having me come to speak. 02:34 shalom Hi, can anyone teach me how to use OpacHiddenItems to hide some item type from the OPAC? 02:29 drojf klicken sie 02:29 dcook Mind you, maybe it would be faster to trial one than to deal with this 02:29 dcook :p 02:29 dcook Tagsouuuup! 02:29 dcook Just don't have time to trial it :/ 02:28 dcook Yeah, it looks like a few 02:28 eythian there probably is one 02:22 dcook Tempted to look for an HTML plugin to do the same with html tags.. 02:22 eythian oh yeah, % is quite handy 02:16 drojf insomnia and string freeze, it's a winning combination 02:12 dac I don't know how I lived this long without knowing this -> http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Moving_to_matching_braces 01:18 dcook eythian: love the video 01:18 dcook hehe 01:17 * dcook sees Windows XP all the time out in public as well... 01:16 dcook I imagine Windows XP, IE7, and IE8 will be around for a long time 01:16 dcook This one is much more amusing 01:16 dcook Actually, I read a different one 01:14 dcook I doubt it'll change anything though 01:14 eythian https://youtu.be/euZ0j7vtKEQ <-- also dcook 01:14 dcook Yeah, I think I read that this morning 01:11 eythian http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/17/8230631/microsoft-is-killing-off-the-internet-explorer-brand <-- dcook 00:59 dcook IE11, how hard is it to add a ruler to your developer tools... 00:59 dcook IE8, you're so much fun... 00:50 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 00:50 cait night all 00:37 eythian Well, also it's very fragile 00:37 wizzyrea I like it. 00:37 wizzyrea chould is a cross between could and should. 00:37 cait eythian: you chould wirte a nice comment about the ugh and icky 00:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13859 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Fix item search result list - obsolete "by" and display of publication date for MARC21 00:36 cait also bug 13859 :) 00:36 wizzyrea ooh, an ugh *and* an icky. 00:36 eythian icky 00:36 eythian that's where it creates it 00:36 eythian + my $cmd = C4::Context->config("intranetdir") . "/installer/data/$info{dbms}/updatedatabase.pl > $logfilepath 2> $logfilepath_errors"; 00:36 wizzyrea you know it's bad when you get an "ugh" 00:33 eythian ugh 00:33 eythian + eval{ `rm $logfilepath` }; 00:33 eythian presumably during the installation 00:33 cait hm but where is it created? 00:32 eythian not writing 00:32 eythian cait: no, it seems to be opening it for reading 00:32 cait *shrugs* 00:31 cait it tries to create it with the timestamp in the name 00:31 cait eythian: but the file can#t exist 00:31 dcook -f ftw 00:31 eythian it should have a test for existance wrapped around the whole thing 00:30 eythian yeah, that patch assumes things exist with no proof that they do, it seems 00:30 eythian oh, that's all reading 00:30 eythian doing an open is a bad way of doing it imo 00:29 eythian though really, we should be using the proper syslog stuff 00:29 dcook Mmm peanut butter cups and rice-krispy treats. Those would be heaven. 00:29 eythian that's the purpose of a logdir 00:29 eythian hmm. the system should be able to write to your logdir 00:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13793 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The installer does not output the result of the update using Plack 00:28 cait Bug 13793 00:28 cait sec 00:28 cait no 00:28 eythian cait: is that the right bug? 00:27 cait the files in the directory and the permissions 00:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12023 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Web installer fails under plack 00:27 cait bug 12023 - i copied everything there 00:27 cait bug12023 00:27 eythian it's not on a windows filesystem or something is it? 00:26 eythian because it would give permission denied 00:26 eythian I don't buy that 00:26 cait which it only wants to do since a recent chane 00:26 cait the problem is that the web installer is not allowed to create a new file in there 00:25 cait my other log files live there happily :) 00:25 eythian I copied the wrong thing 00:25 cait it does exist 00:25 eythian that 00:25 eythian yes 00:25 eythian oh 00:25 wizzyrea /home/katrin/koha-devU/var/log/ this is the one that doesn't exist, I reckon 00:24 eythian does " /home/katrin/kohacloneU/installer/" exist? 00:24 cait properly 00:24 cait i think we need to fix this 00:24 wizzyrea or sth 00:24 wizzyrea like /var/log/koha/sitename/ 00:24 cait my current fix is to git revert 83fee24dbcb03769649ed8afdab2d7a9d1e2a8a2 00:24 wizzyrea by your koha user 00:24 wizzyrea that is writable 00:24 wizzyrea to one 00:24 wahanui wizzyrea: that doesn't look right 00:24 wizzyrea or change the logdir in your koha_conf 00:23 wizzyrea so make the parent directory writable? 00:23 cait i guess i owuld have to change permissions on the directory? 00:23 cait and will be named different every time 00:23 cait wizzyrea: it doesn't exist 00:23 wizzyrea cait: can you make that log file writable by your koha user? 00:23 cait wizzyrea: interesting, itemsearch works in my unimarc installation - must be sth in the data 00:19 cait Cannot open log file /home/katrin/koha-devU/var/log/updatedatabase_2015-03-18T01:19:22.log: No such file or directory at /home/katrin/kohacloneU/installer/install.pl line 332. 00:19 cait i would be quite thankful if someone could fix the web installer again :( 00:18 eythian https://twitter.com/OvidPerl/status/577959732801069056 <-- we should port Koha to perl6 00:18 eythian weirdo German book cover 00:16 cait hm? 00:15 eythian http://www.yopi.de/product_images/360/360164/lightbox/bujold-lois-mcmaster-der-kadett-taschenbuch.png <-- cait, specifically 00:08 eythian http://www.theguardian.com/books/shortcuts/2015/mar/15/kindle-cover-disasters-worlds-worst-ebook-artwork 00:01 bag :) 00:01 cait yep but still annoying :) 00:00 cait thx bag 00:00 bag yup easy and straight forward