Time Nick Message 00:05 dcook Hmm, I wonder if it would be interesting to patrons to be able to download their circulation history 00:05 rangi maybe, wouldnt be hard to add that opion 00:05 rangi option even 00:05 dcook Yeah, I was just thinking that 00:06 dcook I was just skimming this: http://www.linuxvoice.com/interview-tim-oreilly/ 00:07 dcook At first I thought he was side-stepping the question on open source to focus on open data, but then he talks about how they really ought go hand in hand 00:07 rangi open data is useless without open source 00:07 rangi its just bits 00:07 rangi without software to deal with it 00:08 dcook Yeah, they talk a bit about that as well 00:08 dcook Well, not in the context of open source 00:08 dcook per se 00:08 dcook But open standards/context 00:08 dcook Although they refer to it as "portable" 00:11 dcook "There are kids programming in Scala because that’s how you build shit on Minecraft!" 00:11 dcook hehe 00:12 dcook Hmm, too long to actually read 00:13 dcook But yeah going back to the circ history thing. I wonder how many people would... 00:13 dcook In theory, I like the idea, but it probably wouldn't be useful for me 00:13 dcook I rather use Goodreads as it's more inclusive of all my reading 00:13 dcook But then I have to manually do that.. 00:24 rangi i did some work on integrating goodreads 00:24 rangi got bored when amazon bought them and stopp 00:24 rangi ed 00:24 rangi i think there is some code on a bug or 2 00:25 rangi id work on it if someone was paying me, but for a fun project in my free time, amazon doesnt need my help 00:27 dcook ^ 00:27 dcook Yeah, I was tempted to work on integrating them as well before Amazon bought them 00:27 dcook I'd use a different service if there was another convenient option, but for now I keep chugging along 00:27 rangi *nod* 00:28 dcook Back when I was wrapping up my MLIS in 2012, I thought about building something myself to track all sorts of different media consumption 00:28 dcook Books, music, tv shows, films, etc. 00:28 dcook Rather than relying on say Goodreads and a bunch of different services 00:28 dcook I thought about exploring whether Imdb lets you track things, but I got bored with that as well 01:03 eythian http://www.npr.org/2014/06/30/326541189/npr-musics-25-favorite-albums-of-2014-so-far <-- there is some good stuff in here. 01:04 dcook eythian: Any news about Zebra 2.0.60 in Debian? 01:04 eythian no news 01:05 dcook :( 01:05 eythian tbh, I don't expect much to happen, it's too close to release 01:05 dcook Yeah, that makes sense 01:05 dcook Hmm, I think I"ve only heard of maybe one or two of those artists! 01:08 eythian yeah, same with me. 01:08 eythian I went through and listened to the sample, and queued up about 8 albums worth of the ones I liked for further consideration. 01:09 dcook :D 01:09 dcook I've been thinking a bit how I could use some new music 01:10 eythian http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/nov/26/-sp-the-best-albums-of-2014 <-- well, here's some more. I haven't been through these yet. 01:49 eythian once again I get totally confused by rebase doing exactly what I tell it to do, which was what I wanted. 01:49 eythian It just didn't look like it was going to. 01:50 eythian (Turned out I was thinking wrong.) 02:51 dcook meeting time 02:51 wahanui i guess meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe 02:52 dcook Well, meeting time for me 02:52 eythian wahanui: meeting time is <reply>mmm meat 02:52 wahanui ...but meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe... 02:52 eythian wahanui: meeting time is also <reply>mmm meat 02:52 wahanui okay, eythian. 03:06 eythian @later tell magnuse was away yesterday, new 3.18 packages uploading now 03:06 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 04:00 abhijit hi we are getting following error 04:00 abhijit Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl line 97. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl line 97. 04:00 eythian first question 04:00 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 04:01 abhijit we are running following command 04:01 abhijit hi 04:02 abhijit we are running - /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl -sqlite3 04:02 eythian second question 04:02 wahanui second question is "What is the exact error message?" 04:02 eythian oh 04:02 eythian ignore that one 04:02 eythian third question 04:02 wahanui third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/ 04:02 eythian hmm 04:02 eythian skip that too 04:02 eythian fourth question 04:02 wahanui i guess fourth question is "Are we there yet?" 04:02 abhijit 3.18.03 04:03 eythian how have you installed Koha? 04:03 abhijit yes 04:03 eythian as in, using packages, or tarball, or git, or something 04:03 abhijit we are having mobile libraries - always offline 04:03 abhijit kohacommon 04:03 eythian ah great 04:03 eythian so, try this: 04:04 abhijit ok 04:04 eythian sudo koha-shell -c ' /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl -sqlite3' instancename 04:04 eythian where instancename is the name of the library that you gave to koha-create when you made it. 04:04 abhijit let me try 04:05 eythian wahanui: third question is "What version of Koha are you using? How have you installed it (packages, tarball, etc)?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/ 04:05 wahanui ...but third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/... 04:05 eythian no wahanui, third question is "What version of Koha are you using? How have you installed it (packages, tarball, etc)?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/ 04:05 wahanui okay, eythian. 04:06 abhijit this is really great place where i can chat with real peoples and get solution to our problems 04:06 eythian that's the idea :) 04:06 abhijit how can we install DBD::SQLite3 04:07 abhijit cpan 04:07 eythian sudo apt-get install libdbd-sqlite3-perl will probably work 04:08 abhijit now getting following error 04:08 abhijit DBI connect('dbname=borrowers.db','',...) failed: unable to open database file at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl line 133 Can't call method "do" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl line 224. 04:09 eythian hmm 04:09 eythian oh 04:09 eythian I bet it's failing to create that file because it doesn't have write permissions whereever you are 04:10 eythian try adding --file /var/lib/koha/instancename/borrowers.db 04:10 eythian (again, replace instancename with whatever it should be) 04:11 eythian we need someone to add proper support for the offline stuff to the packages so this just magically happens. 04:14 abhijit eythian i really don't know how to add file ? 04:15 eythian sudo koha-shell -c ' /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl --sqlite3 --file /var/lib/koha/instancename/borrowers.db' instancename 04:16 abhijit wohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 04:17 abhijit great eythian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 04:17 abhijit can i ask more about you 04:18 abhijit it's working 04:18 eythian awesome 04:19 abhijit i also have great inrest in koha, where i can learn about commands you told me to execute 04:20 abhijit --file /var/lib/koha/instancename/borrowers.db 04:20 abhijit and more 04:20 abhijit in short koha command 04:21 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages <-- there's a list of commands here 04:21 eythian the --file I got by looking in the source, but you could also have run it with --help 04:24 abhijit in source - koha sourcecode file 04:24 abhijit ? 04:24 eythian in the /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl file itself 04:24 eythian just because it's quicker for me than running --help 04:26 abhijit i would like to heartily thank you for helping me resolve my issue - great eythian 04:26 eythian not a problem 04:28 abhijit can i ask you for your mail ID - i like to make a contacts 04:29 abhijit what is this? 04:29 wahanui hmmm... this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius. 04:29 eythian hmm, tbh I get too much email as it is. However, you can use the koha mailing lists if you want to talk/ask about Koha. 04:29 eythian wahanui: mailing lists 04:29 wahanui mailing lists are http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 04:30 abhijit not a problem 04:30 eythian @later tcohen looks like building of libdbix-connector-perl for squeeze will be straightforward. 04:30 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 04:30 eythian @later tell tcohen looks like building of libdbix-connector-perl for squeeze will be straightforward. 04:30 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 04:31 abhijit thank you eythian 04:31 abhijit thanks again 04:31 abhijit bye bye tc 04:31 eythian later 04:35 abhijit eythian one more question i would like to learn more about debian perl koha then what you would suggest? 04:36 eythian hmm. that's an extremely broad question. 04:36 eythian http://debian-handbook.info/ <-- maybe start here for debian 04:37 eythian http://learn.perl.org/ <-- here for Perl 04:37 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Main_Page <-- and probably here + IRC + mailing lists for koha 05:32 bag @later tell cait - how’d that library go-live turn out? 05:33 huginn bag: The operation succeeded. 05:49 eythian @later tell tcohon ...and done 05:49 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 05:50 eythian @later tell tcohen ...and done 05:50 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 05:50 bag nice I like that - … and done 05:52 eythian it makes sense in context :) 05:52 eythian wahanui: woosh is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/axJmn.gif 05:52 wahanui OK, eythian. 05:52 * eythian & 05:56 bag my reflex are so fast nothing gets over my head 07:06 * magnuse waves 07:10 abhijit is multiple installation of koha possible in single vps account - production mode? 07:12 magnuse abhijit: yes, and if you use the debian packages it is even easy 07:13 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 07:13 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-create 07:13 magnuse abhijit: those are good places to start 07:14 drojf good morning #koha 07:15 abhijit we have tried that, but it creates conflicts and hard to change logo 07:30 bag magnuse: HI 07:30 bag and good night 07:30 wahanui I watch you sleep. 07:30 bag scary 07:32 magnuse bag: HI and good night 07:40 fridolin hie all 07:40 magnuse bonjour fridolin 07:41 fridolin bonjour magnuse 07:41 fridolin we see you next week right , 07:41 fridolin ? 07:46 magnuse fridolin: oui! 07:51 fridolin cool :) 07:51 fridolin as usual, i think we will have fun 07:54 reiveune hello 07:54 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 07:54 alex_a bonjour 07:54 wahanui kia ora, alex_a 08:06 cait good morning #koha 08:09 magnuse kia ora cait and Viktor 08:09 magnuse fridolin: yeah, i think so too 08:09 magnuse and cheese 08:09 Viktor Kia ora magnuse, cait and all of #koha 08:09 cait hi Viktor and magnuse :) 08:12 * magnuse gets a sudden urge to work on semantikoha again 08:13 magnuse what's the correct place to configure memcached these days? koha-conf.xml or the apache site config? or both? 08:14 cait not sure 08:14 cait hope to learn some about caching/plack next week actually 08:19 gaetan_B hello 08:20 Viktor Hi gaetan_B 08:21 Viktor magnuse: Semantikoha was interesting last time I had a look :) 08:22 * magnuse just needs to find some time 08:23 Viktor magnuse: best of luck with that ;) 08:26 magnuse Viktor: thanks :-) 08:26 magnuse maybe in airports on the way to marseille and back... 08:27 Viktor magnuse: Thats 50 minutes right away :) 08:33 justin_ hi . everyone 08:33 justin_ can i ask something abt koha library? 08:36 justin_ can i ask something abt koha library 08:38 Viktor Hi justin_ Feel free to ask. There's no meeting now as far as I'm aware. 08:38 Viktor Hopefully someone is around who can answer :) 08:40 justin_ i see 08:40 justin_ the thing is, i already install koha library on PC and can use offline 08:41 justin_ offline mean without internet just local connection 08:41 justin_ now i want to make that library online 08:42 justin_ come someone give any idea abt it? 08:43 Viktor One of the first things you would need (I think) is a static IP-adress so there is a way to find your Koha-install from another computer. 08:43 Viktor If you have installed Koha on a dedicated machine things should be relatively easy to get up and running then. 08:44 Viktor I think there is more things with "port forwarding" and such things if you run Koha in Virtualbox or other virtualization software. 08:44 justin_ yes. i already assign ip to connect local connection 08:44 Viktor Good :) 08:44 justin_ but for online i cannot get puclic ip in my country 08:45 justin_ is there any way to put my library online without public? 08:45 justin_ i mean like Website 08:46 Viktor Hm. Without a static IP-adress I think it will be a bit of a hassle. There are services that lets you have a server even without a static IP but then you have to reconnect it to your domain name every time you get a new adress from your Internet provider. 08:47 Viktor Don't quite what those services are called, but I know they exist. 08:48 justin_ yes that's why i got issue with online library 08:48 Viktor Every time your IP changes you go to the service and hook up your domain with the new IP. 08:48 justin_ can i know which country u from? 08:48 Viktor But it's no good way to build anything else than a test. 08:48 Viktor I'm from sweden. 08:49 justin_ i see , i from Myanmar 08:50 justin_ my offline library is already running in Majoy Seminary 08:50 justin_ they already make cataloging 08:50 justin_ book aroung 10000++ 08:51 justin_ now they want to make online library 08:51 Viktor Is there any chance you could use any online service provider like Linode.com? 08:52 Viktor To set up a online server and import the database into that? 08:52 justin_ but in my country it is hard to get good internet and amd public ip 08:53 Viktor I see. So top priority is keeping it working on the local network? Then a local machine sounds like a better idea. 08:53 Viktor No good with a cloud based server if there is poor internet connection. 08:54 Viktor I did a quick search for "domain name without static IP" and that turned up some interesting services. 08:55 Viktor Things like "noip.com" and others. I have no idea if they are any good. But there seems to be a few services that does what you need. 08:55 justin_ i see 08:56 justin_ but 10$ for one month is too expensive for seminary 08:56 tomk Hey ppl 08:58 Viktor justin_ I guess you could register a cheap domain somewhere, give it you locals machines IP and never turn it off.... But maybe you should look from a second opinion from others. They might have some good tricks :) 09:02 justin_ i already tried that idea but my isp not allowed to use public ip in their physical lime 09:03 tomk Hallå, Viktor. Will you attend at the 'round table talk' in Stockholm march 15th? 09:06 * magnuse would love to be a fly on the wall there :-) 09:06 tomk oh, sorry it's the 17th! 09:06 tomk magnuse, :) 09:09 Viktor Hi tomk - yes I plan to do that if at all possible :) 09:10 * magnuse thinks that meeting would be kind of pointless without Viktor :-) 09:10 Viktor Hm. I'm sorry, but since I'm no networking guru I'm out of good ideas :( But there are others who are good with these things. I hope someone can help you. 09:11 Viktor Magnuse :) 09:11 magnuse justin_: i would recommend sending an email to the main koha list - you will reach more people there 09:11 justin_ i see Viktor . thanks alot for your kindness and idea 09:12 * Viktor agrees with Magnuse. With the list you access a lot more people over time than the ones here right now. 09:12 tomk Viktor, Cool. Thinking about attending. Me and a colleague (Almedalsbiblioteket på Gotland). We're at a very early stage of our Koha discovery / salvation - but realize that it is very important that we show our involvement and interest in the development 09:12 Viktor justin_ Best of luck! 09:12 justin_ also thanks to magnuse , i will send email ;) 09:13 Viktor tonk That's great 09:14 Viktor tonk If I can help you out in any way you are most welcome to ask 09:14 magnuse tomk: the more the merrier 09:14 tomk Viktor, Wonderful. 09:14 Viktor tomk I don't know if you are aware, but we run a project that hopes to adapt Koha more to the needs of swedish libraries. 09:15 tomk I am aware! Just read about it. :D 09:15 tomk Exciting! 09:16 Viktor tomk We hope to get extra funding so it's valuable to hear from others what they se as show stoppers. In the best of worlds we could fund the needed development :) 09:17 Viktor tomk There will be more info after march 4 when we know if we get extra funds or not. 09:17 * magnuse crosses his fingers 09:18 * tomk crosses toes and fingers! 09:20 * Viktor finally shuts of the autocorrect that want to spell "tomk" like "tonk" and "patch" like "match" etc 09:21 Viktor tonk What system are you currently on? Magnuse did a Book-IT migration script for us, and I think there will soon be a Libra.se too. 09:21 tomk Can't believe I've missed out of this (Koha) - but then, my area has been more about the libraries web/intranet solutions. Until now! 09:21 tomk We're going through ridiculously harsh times with Ax**ll. 09:22 Viktor Sorry to hear :( 09:22 tomk so, yes - BookIT 09:23 tomk Well, as I see it - it's all good. Makes alternatives so much more appealling 09:23 tomk *appealing 09:23 tomk ;) 09:24 Viktor Hm. The one we did takes a "standarduttag" from Book-IT as input. The vendor they bought Book-IT from set a quite steep price for getting that info though.. 09:25 tomk Yes, not unexpected. 09:25 Viktor The script propably needs some tweaking by now with new versions, but it should be far less than the 100 hours we spent on making it in the first place. 09:25 tomk Amazing 09:27 Viktor The script is at https://github.com/Libriotech/bookit2koha and magnuse or someone else of your choice should be able to assist you with using it if needed. 09:29 Viktor I'm not good with migrations but do some smaller patches and help our project library with a lot of daily tasks. 09:30 tomk Thanks, Viktor! 09:31 Viktor No problem tomk - Working with Koha might be the most fun I've had at work ever :) 09:32 tomk I got a local Koha server up and running, to test things out. Looks really good. However I got many blank spots in my knowledge about different databases and such - but I tend to learn pretty fast. :) 09:33 tomk Further along , I hope to be able to contribute in whatever why I can. 09:34 tomk *way 09:34 Viktor tomk Sounds great! 09:37 Viktor tomk Since there is quite a bit of interest around Koha we are looking for public spaces to discuss in and learn together. The Facebook group "Koha i Norden" might be useful. 09:37 Viktor I usually blogg about the project at blogg.regionhalland.se/koha too. 09:38 magnuse tomk: https://www.facebook.com/groups/KohaNorge/ if you are on facebook (it started out as a norwegian group and i don't think we can change the url) 09:38 Viktor tomk There is also a more closed space just for libraries on Slack.com that we're trying out with KB and SUB 09:39 tomk haha Finally - a relevant reason to get a FB account. 09:39 magnuse ooh, you don't have one? cool! 09:39 tomk I'm a special snow flake 09:40 tomk :D 09:40 tomk Viktor, ok! Checking it out. 09:42 Viktor tomk - I'll change it so that you can sign up with a hgo.se domain from koha.slack.com 09:43 tomk Viktor, that's great. Thanks. 09:45 Viktor tomk - You should be good to go now. The channel #hylte might have the most info right now. 09:45 * tomk nods 09:45 magnuse Viktor++ 09:49 tomk Ok, I'm in. Brilliant. 09:51 Viktor tomk I see you :) You will se everything that happens in our tracking system from the beginning of feb. No backlog though. 09:52 * magnuse sometimes contributes to that tracking system, i think 09:52 Viktor magnuse Indeed you do :) 09:54 Viktor Does anyone know when the hackfest starts on monday? 09:54 Viktor I'm planning to make the most of the day and live nearby :) 10:06 magnuse 9 o'clock i think 10:07 magnuse Viktor: adnois looks good if have not booked anything yet 10:07 magnuse ~10 minutes to walk to the biblibre office 10:07 Viktor magnuse I booked Adonis since it was close and everyone else seemed to stay there :) 10:07 magnuse maybe a bit less down to vieux port 10:07 magnuse yay! 10:08 Viktor Got my passport ready and all tickets done. Still need to print some kind of map but 2km from the train station to the hotel seems doable by foot. 10:09 magnuse i went by foot the first time - it was a bit too far with a heavy suitcase 10:09 magnuse it's fine if you don't have too much to carry 10:09 Viktor Lucky the Biblibre folk is so amazing and friendly. Last time I was in France was Paris 20 years ago and english was a bit frowned upon :) 10:10 magnuse hehe 10:10 magnuse the biblibre/koha people are all friendly 10:11 magnuse i have sat myself down at an outdoor café and gotten actively ignored by the staff, though ;-) 10:11 magnuse Viktor: do you arrive monday morning? 10:11 Viktor Yes working with Koha is really great for becoming more a part of the world. 10:12 Viktor magnuse: Sunday actually. 10:12 magnuse cool 10:12 magnuse early? late? will you have any time to explore? 10:13 Viktor I think I'm landing at 17.00. Should be in town by 18 I guess. Top priotrity is food and hotel. But if it seems friendly enough in the area there migh be some exploration :) 10:14 Viktor I'm currently using street view to get a sense of where I have to walk :) 10:16 magnuse good plan :-) 10:27 magnuse i think some people might be meetin up for dinner at around that time 10:49 magnuse yeah, lunchtime 10:52 cait tomk++ 10:54 tomk Yes, cait? 10:54 wahanui cait is lookign forward to the API discussion 10:56 cait for not having a fb account :) 10:56 cait was reading scrollback 10:56 tomk Oh. hah 10:57 tomk Thanks :D 10:57 cait lunch time 10:57 tomk Aye. 11:15 kivilahtio have we really agreed to push all Koha to DBIx? 11:35 cait kivilahtio: hm? 11:36 cait i think the long term goal is to support multiple database systems 11:36 kivilahtio just asking. Koha will end up as another Drupal 11:36 kivilahtio :) 11:36 kivilahtio Or maybe not, if DBIx doesnt make a ton of arbitrary DB-queries 11:37 magnuse well, we have opened the floodgates to it, and a lot of devs seen to like it 11:37 magnuse not sure we have set "rewrite everything using DBIC" as a goal, though 11:37 magnuse s/seen/seem/ 11:41 cait i think there is no forced rewriting of all modules 11:42 cait but it's used in a lot of places by now 11:42 cait and also in new code it should be used i think 11:42 cait but there was an open discussion on how to use it for quite a while 11:42 cait i think we are getting closer to resolve this tho 12:18 ashimema without enableing or disabling email.. is there a way to tell if it's already enabled/disabled in pacakges? 12:21 cait hm i think yes 12:21 cait ther eis a command 12:21 cait koha-list? 12:22 cait i thik i used it when i had the workshop, but htat's too long ago 12:23 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=debian/docs/koha-list.xml;h=1b2129e27bbd07fb8c05cdaf7392dd9467041835;hb=00f27cb0b9fb200a06da461371e04be1501ca107#l19 12:23 cait ashimema: koha-list --email --noemail i think 12:24 reiveune bye 12:30 magnuse ashimema: --email - only show instances that have email enabled 12:30 ashimema cheers magnus 12:30 ashimema cheers cait 12:30 magnuse and --noemail only show instances that have email disabled 12:31 magnuse not sure what happens if you do both --email and --noemail ;-) 12:33 tomk Uh, yeah - lunch. Time flies. 12:35 andreashm hi all 12:35 tomk hey andreashm 12:36 andreashm hi tomk. nice to see more swedes here. 12:38 * cait is back from lunch btw :) 12:39 magnuse tjänare andreashm 12:39 andreashm magnuse: I failed to install kohadevbox yesterday. =( 12:39 magnuse ouch 12:39 magnuse what happened? 12:40 andreashm yup. my colleague managed on his windows machine, but I failed on a mac. 12:40 andreashm can't connect to localhost. don't know if there was something earlier in the install that didn't work right though. 12:40 magnuse ah 12:41 * magnuse does not use a mac 12:41 andreashm vagrant doesn't like me. everything I've tried to install with it so far (three different things, on two separate computers) have failed. 12:41 magnuse ouch! 12:41 magnuse my best advice is to google for something like "can't connect to localhost vagrant mac" then... 12:42 andreashm yeah, I'll try to see if it's something I can sort out. 12:42 cait andreashm: :( hope it can be fixed 12:43 andreashm guess I should try installing on the PC and see if that works. 12:43 andreashm but there is a distinct possibility that I've messed up somewhere earlier. 12:44 andreashm I'm wondering if the mac has the proper perl support needed for instance. 12:45 magnuse the mac should not need perl at all 12:46 magnuse all you need is vagrant, and then all the interesting things are inside the virtualbox set up by vagrant 12:46 andreashm alright, thanks magnuse. guess I'll try to look into the localhost issue. 12:47 andreashm first I thought it was a firewall issue, but then I reinstalled at home last night, but with the same result unfortunately. 12:49 magnuse andreashm: sounds like vagrant+mac issue - sorry i can't be of much help there 12:51 magnuse Viktor_away: you're a mac person, aren't you? have you tried kohadevbox on it? 12:53 Viktor_away magnuse: I haven't yet, but I would want to try it. Whats acting up? (No backlog in the IRC client from when I was away) 12:53 magnuse Viktor_away: andreashm ran into a "can't connect to localhost" problem 12:54 Viktor_away Hm that was weird. Inside Virtualbox? 12:54 Viktor_away Not trying to access the devbox from the native os? 12:54 andreashm when running the installation script 12:55 andreashm I can access the devbox. but not the localhost. 12:56 andreashm do I need to forward ports? 12:56 andreashm (looking at some "getting started with vagrant" site, which does so... unclear why) 12:57 magnuse port forwarding should be set up 12:58 magnuse and it is even set up to choose different ports if the default ones are taken 12:58 magnuse but it can be hard to catch the message if ports are changed 12:58 magnuse when you do the first "vagrant up" it will be at the top of a looooot of output 12:59 magnuse the second time you do "vagrant up" there should be less output, so you should be able to catch it 12:59 Viktor_away Interesting and weird. I'm actually on family duty now so I don't have a chance to dig deeper just now. But I'll gladly read the IRC-logs tonight and see if you had any luck :) 13:04 andreashm viktor: thanks! =) 13:07 andreashm magnuse: I'll try vagrant up again in a bit... doing some stuff on another virtualbox at the moment (getting windows sorted so I can access our old ils) 13:07 andreashm hopefully I can spot the trouble then 13:15 magnuse andreashm: i'll keep my fingers crossed 13:18 andreashm thanks magnuse. 13:40 andreashm magnuse: tried it again, with the same result. from within the vm i tried curl localhost:8080 and got the following error: Can't locate DBIx/Connector.pm in @INC. any ideas 13:41 jcamins andreashm: sounds like there's nothing wrong with Vagrant, just a problem with the Koha configuration on the VM. 13:43 andreashm jcamins: strange. 13:43 jcamins Missing dependencies, I'd say. 13:43 jcamins But you would probably be better off asking someone who has worked with DBIx how to address the problem. 13:45 andreashm isn't it something missing in Perl? that's how I read it. 13:45 jcamins Yeah, missing Perl dependencies. 13:45 jcamins DBIx::Connector. 13:48 andreashm ah ok. 13:54 magnuse andreashm: yeah, that is a missing dependency inside the virtualbox 13:55 magnuse i think there was some tak about it on some bug 13:55 magnuse try to do "sudo apt-get install libdbic-connector-perl" inside the vm 13:56 magnuse yeah, bug 13645 13:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , DBIx connection needs to be cached 13:57 magnuse the main patch, which uses DBIx::Connector, is in the master branch, but it was not packaged for debian. eythian seems to have fixed that, so you should be able to apt-get install it now, i think 14:07 andreashm magnuse: thanks. apt-get should work in mac terminal then? (goes to read up on that command) 14:13 magnuse andreashm: no, inside the vm 14:13 magnuse so you do "vagrant ssh" and then "sudo apt-get install ..." 14:13 andreashm ah, ok. thanks 14:15 andreashm no apt-get. seems to be an unix command. 14:15 andreashm I'll look into it. 14:19 magnuse something is very wrong if you can't run apt-get inside the virtual machine :-) 14:19 andreashm humm... that's true... 14:21 andreashm ah, I probably gave the wrong password 14:24 magnuse "vagrant ssh" should not need a password 14:25 andreashm no, but sudo does 14:26 magnuse ah, inside the vm, sudo should not ask for a password either 14:26 magnuse unless something changed in the base vm that kohadevbox uses... 14:26 andreashm it did the first time. now it just couldn't locate the package. 14:28 magnuse do "sudo apt-get update" and then try again 14:30 andreashm is the package called DBIx::Connector? Or something else? 14:31 magnuse the perl module is called DBIx::Connector. the debian package derived from that should be called libdbix-connector-perl 14:31 magnuse oh, i had a typo 14:31 magnuse it should be libdbix-connector-perl, not libdbic-connector-perl 14:32 andreashm thanks 14:33 andreashm woho! 14:33 andreashm that worked. thanks magnuse!!! 14:35 magnuse yay! 14:39 andreashm much appreciate your help! 14:40 magnuse np 14:45 kivilahtio What do you think about the idea that when you are defining the "Notices and Slips", you could have an extra column to tell how much you would fine the borrower for receiving such a fine? 14:46 kivilahtio We could easily define notification fines for borrowers based on the letter_code, branchcode, message_trasnport_type 14:46 kivilahtio ... 14:46 kivilahtio it would also enable you to set different notification fines for different overdue notification letters 14:47 kivilahtio it would also enable defining a notification fine for hold-ready-for-pickup 14:47 kivilahtio which also is something we need 14:53 * magnuse wanders off to make dinner 16:13 cait kivilahtio: for the holds there is a way to charge for placing holds if that helps 16:13 cait kivilahtio: i like the idea of a fee, I think inlibro included a processing fee 16:14 cait in their plans 16:14 kivilahtio cait: I know thanks! We are looking for placing the fine when the HOLD is ready for pickup 16:14 cait yeah it's a difference 16:14 cait here you pay for order if a tall - same for ill requests 16:23 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 16:24 mtompset I'm curious if you have 2 ISBNs for the same thing but different regions. How do you catalog that? (Be merciful to me, a non-librarian) :) 16:32 cait mtompset: what do you mean with 2 different regions? 16:32 cait @marc 20 16:32 huginn cait: unknown tag 20 16:32 mtompset US and India, for example. 16:32 cait @marc 020 16:32 huginn cait: The ISBN assigned to a monographic publication by designated agencies in each country participating in the program. The field may include terms of availability and canceled or invalid ISBNs. It may be repeated for multiple numbers associated with the item (e.g., ISBNs for the hard bound and paperback manifestations; ISBNs for a set as a whole and for the individual parts in the set). (Repeatable) (1 more message) 16:32 cait the isbn is repeatable 16:33 cait if it's the same book and it has 2 isbn i would catalog it with a repeated isbn i think 16:33 cait not sure if there is a subfield for region 16:33 cait if it's 2 different books... same content... different isbn WE would probably have 2 records -but that might not be the best way to do it :) 16:35 mtompset No, I think it is 1 book, but it is available under different ISBN's based on region. 17:13 gaetan_B bye 17:21 ashimema have we done somthing to force javascript to load last on pages? 17:22 ashimema I've a template that really does need jQuery first.. but I can't for the life of me get my scripts and jQuery to load in the head instead of at the bottom.. 17:22 ashimema I'm an idiot.. 17:22 ashimema ignore me 17:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13473 - Plugins fail <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=003993d547a98a3b1e085058b96aecd318ece036> / Bug 13523: DBIC updates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7272426d0d6985e1e7f35d4a55d5fb6444b1ffba> / Bug 13523: DBRev 3.19.00.012 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=06608a24408c74d0975665b24c1e80fec5669385> / Bug 13523 - AddBibli 17:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #319 for job Koha_Master_U12 (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #244 for job Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #242 4 days 2 hr ago) 17:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #308 for job Koha_Master_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #319 for job Koha_Master_D7 (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:37 jenkins_koha Starting build #296 for job Koha_Master_D6 (previous build: STILL FAILING) 18:25 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 18:25 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 18:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #244: FIXED in 57 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB/244/ 18:25 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 13689 - Remove opac-old.css and sco-old.css 18:25 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13612 - Remove old YUI javacript libraries from opac-tmpl 18:25 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 13645: dependencies for libdbix-connector-perl 18:25 jenkins_koha * Viktor Sarge: Bug 13729 - Give news in Opac a unique anchor 18:25 jenkins_koha * Benjamin Rokseth: Bug 13523 - AddBiblio fails on mysql with STRICT_TRANS_TABLES 18:25 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13523: DBRev 3.19.00.012 18:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13689 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Remove opac-old.css and sco-old.css 18:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13612 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove old YUI javacript libraries from opac-tmpl 18:25 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13523: DBIC updates 18:25 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13473 - Plugins fail 18:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , DBIx connection needs to be cached 18:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Give news in Opac a unique anchor 18:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13523 major, P5 - low, ---, benjamin.rokseth, Pushed to Master , AddBiblio fails on mysql with STRICT_TRANS_TABLES 18:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13473 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Plugins fail when loading templates 18:37 mtompset ashimema: We all make idiot/newbie mistakes even if we aren't. :) 20:52 * Francesca waves 20:55 cait hi Francesca :) 21:07 andreashm hi 21:09 Viktor Hi andreashm 21:13 * cait waves 21:14 cait Viktor: are you stil planning to walk from the main station? 21:16 Viktor cait: Yes. If it's not a "no no don't do that" :) 21:16 cait i never tried :) 21:16 cait i usually take the subway 21:16 Viktor Hm. I got scared of french subway in Paris, but there is only two lines in Marseille(?) :) 21:17 cait there is a good description on the spreadsheet - quite easy from the station 21:17 cait i am not super good at this, but with the direction and number it always worked well 21:17 cait and the station is very close to the hotel 21:18 Viktor Great - thanks Cait! I didn't even notice the tabs. I only saw "Attendees" and thought "Well I guess we'll sort it out as it out along the ride" :) 21:18 andreashm where is everyone staying? adonis? 21:18 cait I am at adonis yes :) 21:18 cait nice and close 21:19 * andreashm is to lazy to pick up the google docs document 21:19 cait Viktor: http://www.rtm.fr/sites/default/files/planaxeslourds.pdf - i think you are right, 2 main ones 21:19 andreashm the three of us from SUL will stay there too. 21:20 cait :) 21:20 cait a hotel full of koha people 21:20 andreashm cait: sounds great. =) 21:21 cait :) 21:21 Viktor I'm counting to at least 13 at Adonis :) 21:21 cait @wunder Marseille 21:21 huginn cait: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 8.0°C (10:00 PM CET on February 24, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 21:22 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:22 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 2.8°C (10:21 PM CET on February 24, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 21:22 cait it IS warmer 21:28 * cait has hoped for MUCH warmer 21:29 Viktor Better than here but not so warm that I'll want to go hiking instead of working :) 21:29 cait :) 21:29 rangi morning 21:30 cait morning rangi 21:30 Viktor marning rangi 21:39 eythian hi 21:57 seneca Hello everyone! 21:58 seneca Getting a "ERR_CONNECTION_RESET" when trying to save a "new" report 21:58 seneca I've done some searching, probably not enough, but I didn't see any bugs regarding this 21:59 seneca It doesn't put anything in the intranet-access or error logs, either 22:00 seneca ...nor in the apache logs 22:00 seneca Has anyone else seen this in their install? 22:01 seneca It's running on Debian, updated just today to 3.18.04.000 22:04 seneca Also happens whether I create the new report guided or just paste in the SQL 22:04 cait seneca: hm let me try on mine 22:04 seneca Thanks :) 22:05 cait a new sql report? 22:05 seneca yes 22:05 cait hm works on master for me 22:06 seneca hmmm 22:06 cait not sure what's going on there 22:06 seneca It was about 3 months ago that I last updated, so I thought maybe that was the problem, that there was a bug fixed 22:06 seneca but updating didn't fix anything 22:07 cait ah it was there before you updated to 3.18.4 too? 22:07 seneca yeah 22:07 seneca Didn't think to look at what version I was at this morning 22:07 seneca my first trouble shooting technique is usually to apply updates ;) 22:08 seneca It's an odd error, too - like apache is killing the connection... 22:08 seneca it happens on Chrome and Firefox (all I've tested) 22:08 seneca both current versions 22:08 seneca it's annoyingly not in any logs... 22:08 seneca (that I can find) 22:10 cait hm sounds like something database... but not sur ehow to debug 22:10 cait not many people around here this time of the day - at least not from europe 22:10 cait maybe try the mailing list? 22:10 seneca OK - I'll do some more poking around 22:10 seneca thanks for checking for me :) 22:11 eythian I'd be surprised if there wasn't something in a log somewhere 22:11 seneca me too, but I can't find it 22:11 eythian check the ones under /var/log/apache2 as well as the ones under /var/log/koha 22:11 seneca yep, have 22:11 eythian also perhaps check syslog 22:11 eythian it sounds like an apache process crashing, which really shouldn't happen 22:12 eythian done an apache2 restart? 22:12 seneca nothing in syslog either 22:12 eythian dmesg? 22:12 wahanui dmesg is a kernel ring buffer that's not dependent on rsyslog. 22:12 seneca I did a full reboot after the update 22:13 eythian hmm 22:14 seneca I know! It's quite puzzling. ;) 22:16 seneca The error from the browser is that it's getting disconnected from the server, so the server probably never sees an event it could classify as an error 22:26 seneca yeah, just verified that the server's seeing the page and resource accesses right up to the failure 22:26 seneca and then nothing 22:49 Francesca rangi you there? 23:01 rangi just had a fire alarm 23:01 rangi whats up? 23:02 jcamins rangi: the heart rates of all the people who just had to walk down forty flights of stairs. 23:02 rangi yeah, and back up again, cos the lifts are on service mode still 23:02 jcamins lol 23:02 rangi only 7 for me 23:03 rangi but still .. it was 6 too many ;) 23:03 jcamins Yay! You got your flights of stairs for the day! 23:03 eythian jcamins: he had a large ice cream and oreo milkshake right before hand 23:03 eythian so it may not count 23:03 jcamins eythian: sure it does. I don't track my food, just my steps. 23:03 rangi heh 23:03 eythian fair enough :D 23:10 Francesca hey rangi 23:11 rangi hey Francesca 23:11 wahanui I love the 11th doctor! 23:11 Francesca nice, very clever 23:11 Francesca my new computer arrived so is there a time that suits you to come in and get my virtual machine set up? 23:12 rangi is it tuesdays that you have the afternoon free? 23:12 Francesca I'm free all day on tuesdays 23:12 Francesca apart from 4.30 onwards 23:12 rangi cool, anytime next tuesday would be fine 23:12 Francesca sweet 23:12 rangi anytime before 2.30 actually 23:12 Francesca Yup 23:13 rangi cool 23:13 Francesca I just need to install virtual box beforehand right? 23:13 rangi yep 23:38 Francesca I'll see you next tuesday then 23:40 rangi sweet see you then