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23:09 dcook Hmm...
23:09 dcook "There has been a report that Kaspersky anti-virus falsely reports DoxBox as having the 'generic.Trojan' virus, please disable or replace this before installing."
23:09 dcook https://github.com/t-d-k/doxbox
23:06 dcook Anyway, night :)
23:06 dcook Because if people add new permissions to the .inc but not the english sql, it can cause subpermission auth problems..
23:05 cait :)
23:05 dcook cait: Actually, it might not be a bad idea to do it in one bug...
23:05 cait :
23:05 cait ok, have to really sleep now
23:05 cait ah yeah, we should make sure it actually trnaslates - which bernardo's fix should do
23:05 dcook Well... maybe I have time exactly right now..
23:05 dcook Still probably not today though :p
23:04 dcook Yeah, so maybe I'll just do Bernardo's fix
23:04 cait as paola has tested it already
23:04 dcook And maybe some Amazon stuff
23:04 cait probably better on a new bug
23:04 dcook Today is... setting up a few physical machines with Debian and Koha :)
23:04 dcook :)
23:04 cait deal :)
23:04 dcook Haha. Well, I'll do it, but just not today
23:04 cait we can have this first
23:04 cait but now i need to talk someone into doing it :P
23:03 dcook But it could all be done on one, or as a patch set
23:03 dcook Yeah, I was thinking of getting my patch in and then doing the next step
23:03 dcook :)
23:03 cait your patch opens the door to that :)
23:03 dcook Yeah, that makes total sense
23:03 dcook Ok
23:03 dcook Ahhhh
23:03 dcook The plan is to remove the multiple sql files, the installer step, and... a few other references to the database
23:03 cait i just wanted to fix the installer and get rid of the multiple permission files in the same step
23:02 cait the inc is alright
23:02 cait yes :)
23:02 dcook If permissions.inc hasn't been translated, they'll just get the English version, no?
23:02 dcook Well, it'll ignore the customized installer files
23:02 cait but your patch will work and will help people who have no customized installer files
23:02 dcook Oh absolutely
23:01 cait so now you fixed translations... it would be cool to get rid of them
23:01 dcook Right
23:01 cait the reason we have mulitple sql files with permissions to maintain is translations
23:01 dcook I just really want to understand what you're saying
23:01 cait :)
23:01 dcook Thanks :)
23:01 cait it's just a chance we could make thing smuch better
23:01 cait your patch is alright :)
23:01 dcook I'm just confused :(
23:00 cait it makes things a little better :)
23:00 dcook But the file would just sit in the template toolkit includes
23:00 dcook I was thinking about this a bit, because I liked what you were saying
23:00 cait it does not make it worse
23:00 cait it just doesn't improve the situation
23:00 dcook But why would it involve the installer?
23:00 cait because copying theinstaller files is manual work
23:00 dcook Why would it be affected by the installer?
23:00 dcook cait: But why? :S
22:59 cait dcook: the problem is, that the translation bit is fixed - but we still keep all the overhead in the installer files
22:59 dcook Then I did a lot of reading, asked a lot of questions, and did a lot of experiments :)
22:59 dcook Actually, maybe even the first year... year and a half
22:58 dcook When I first started with Koha, I used to be really apprehensive about Zebra
22:58 dcook night cait :)
22:58 dcook barton: Huzzah!
22:57 wahanui1 goodnight cait. You'll be back.
22:57 cait night all
22:54 barton Who knows, I may get this licked yet ;-)
22:53 barton Well, I think that you added a distinction about the inner workings of ccl.properties that I left out. But yeah, I think we're on the same page.
22:52 dcook I just didn't see "bib1.att", so I re-worded it all :p
22:52 dcook Ah wait, I think that's what you were saying
22:51 dcook (and yeah, I think there's a one-to-one mapping between index names and bib1 attributes in bib1.att)
22:51 dcook ccl.properties provides acccess to the index using either the bib1 attribute for the index, the index name (from bib1.att), or an alias (which points to either the bib1 attribute or the index name (from bib1.att))
22:50 dcook *indexdefs* indexes content from a marcxml record into an index
22:50 dcook The bib1 attribute and index are set in bib1.att
22:49 dcook Almost
22:49 barton ah... so uh, let me get this straight in my head ... the index is set in *indexdefs* -- there is a one to one mapping between indexes and bib1 attributes. ccl.properties then allows aliases on the indexes, allowing search by alias. Is that a sane assesment?
22:46 dcook Which is good :D
22:45 dcook But then it's an alias, not an index
22:45 dcook Yeah, that would be fine
22:45 barton ok... can't I set up somethign along the order of aliases in ccl.properties?
22:43 dcook Maybe try removing Reference
22:43 dcook I don't think so
22:43 barton that does make me wonder though ... I don't think that I replaced it... I added bibliographic-reference, but I don't think that I removed Reference ... can two zebra indexes point to one bib1 attribute?
22:40 barton oh, I'm not quite sure... probably bloody ignorance on my part, a few months back ;-)
22:39 dcook Why was it changed from "Reference" in the first place?
22:39 dcook Ah, fair enough
22:39 barton No, I haven't had a chance to dig back into it... I've been playing catch up with all of my other work after spent 8+ hours on it.
22:38 dcook Did you ever resolve your problems with "bibliographic-reference"?
22:38 barton yes.
22:37 dcook barton: Are you still around?
22:37 * dcook reads the scrollback about Snowball
22:36 dcook Oh my...
22:10 eythian magnuse: for some strange values of fun :)
22:10 magnuse have fun, #koha!
22:10 magnuse i just tried dropping all the import_* tables and recreating them from kohastructure.sql, without any luck
22:09 eythian but just on the face of "search works", then yeah, it's correct :)
22:09 magnuse if anyone gets really bored during the next few hours you might want to read my tale of woe related to staging marc records for import, and see if you can come up with any fresh suggestions: http://paste.koha-community.org/420 ;-)
22:09 eythian I guess it depends if you want to provide more varied but hopefully useful results, or more correct results :)
22:09 barton ... given the data being searched.
22:09 eythian arguably
22:08 barton well, turned query stemming off, now 'governme' returns no results... which is probably correct.
22:06 eythian > Since it effectively provides a ‘suffix STRIPPER GRAMmar’, I had toyed with the idea of calling it ‘strippergram’, but good sense has prevailed, and so it is ‘Snowball’ named as a tribute to SNOBOL, the excellent string handling language of Messrs Farber, Griswold, Poage and Polonsky from the 1960s.
22:06 eythian governm
22:06 eythian $ perl -MLingua::Stem::Snowball -e '@w=qw(governme) ; print join "", Lingua::Stem::Snowball::stem("en", \@w) ; print "\n";'
22:04 * eythian points out this is testable
22:03 eythian or just tacking ? to the end of governme
22:03 eythian it might be
22:03 barton So in my case, it's taking 'Governme' shortening this to the base 'Govern' and then tacking the wildcard to the end?
22:02 eythian https://metacpan.org/pod/Lingua::Stem::Snowball <-- interestingly it won't generate 'hoof' from 'hooves'
22:01 * eythian had exactly this issue a couple of days ago, so it's fresh in my head
22:01 barton Ausgezeichnet.
22:01 eythian and then we take that and glom a ? to the end
22:00 eythian cait: it constructs the base
22:00 eythian which has interesting repercussions if you're searching for something in english with your OPAC set to german.
22:00 cait if it does the first with a truncated search that would explain
21:59 cait how does the stemming owrk? does it just construct the 'base' word or really do a search for the wrod in various forms?
21:59 eythian it's based on your current session language I think
21:59 eythian cait: it can, yes
21:59 cait i think
21:59 eythian not at all
21:58 eythian I think if the stemming function can't do anything with it, it just returns it as-is and koha slaps a ? on the end (same as a *)
21:58 cait barton: it does multiple languages
21:58 barton does changing that require a reindex?
21:58 barton well, I'll give that a shot.
21:58 eythian you'd think that, wouldn't you? :)
21:57 barton yeah, I was wondering about that... but that should only account for common word endings like 'ing' or 'ed', right?
21:55 eythian then it often behaves something like autotruncation
21:55 barton yes, query stemming is on.
21:55 eythian barton: you have stemming on?
21:55 barton I didn't see any bugs in bugzilla that exactly matched, but I figured that I'd ask here, in case it's an edge case of an open bug or something.
21:53 barton I'm having an interesting time with search, when QueryAutoTruncate is set to 'Only if * is added' For example, "governme" and "governme*" return the same results. QueryFuzzy is set to 'Don't Try'. UseICU is set to 'Using'.
21:50 cait hi barton
21:49 rangi hi barton
21:49 barton Hi #koha
21:44 eythian yeah, it probably needs more planning of schedules and such than I usually have to put into something like that
21:43 cait eythian: i tihnk you are right - we are using redmine, but i fialed using the gantt becuase we don't do start/end dates and some other things enough
21:43 eythian not as pretty as pgfgantt I bet though
21:43 cait :)
21:43 cait rangi: thx for finding that
21:42 rangi i think ganttproject is going to work, it hasnt annoyed me too much yet
21:42 eythian (not that I've used it, but that's sorta how redmine works)
21:42 rangi for this use case, i just need a quick graphic to illustrate how tasks can work in parallel
21:42 eythian but I think it requires making tickets for all the entries
21:41 jcamins Heh. Or that.
21:41 eythian we do
21:41 rangi i think we run a redmine instance here
21:41 jcamins You could even set up Redmine using my Ansible playbook.
21:39 rangi oh right thanks jcamins
21:38 jcamins rangi: Redmine has gantt charts, I think.
21:16 eythian also, 'planner' is now what was 'Mr. Project'
21:15 eythian sure, if you wanna finish off this SAML and ES stuff for me, sounds like a fair trade :D
21:14 rangi you volunteering eythian ? :)
21:14 eythian LaTeX gantt charts will surely look the best.
21:13 cait hi eythian
21:13 eythian hi
21:07 cait rangi: cool, i might too :)
21:06 drojf ha. http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/ctan/graphics/pgf/contrib/pgfgantt/pgfgantt.pdf ;)
21:06 rangi hmm ganttproject looks small and simple, i might try that too
21:05 rangi heh
21:05 drojf rangi: something in latex? *hides*
21:00 rangi cait: ill give project libre a go
21:00 rangi akafred: can't really use google sheets, data shouldnt leave nz jurisdiction
20:58 rangi hmm
20:56 cait but it's not very pretty and i was struggling a bit when i tried
20:55 cait sorry, project libre
20:55 akafred Google Sheets? https://drive.google.com/previewtemplate?id=0AtwqEerAGHCTdE9WLVRSSDVONGVPMnNwREktWEd2N3c&mode=public
20:55 cait thers ie openproj
20:54 rangi what tool would people use in linux to do something like a gantt chart (i have to do a project timeline) ?
20:49 cait morning rangi
20:49 rangi morning
20:36 tcohen_ BobB++
20:12 thd Good morning BobB. Thanks for rising early.
20:12 BobB good morning/day/evening everyone
20:11 BobB thanks Thomas
20:11 thd Yes, and I will try to see that a reminder of the meeting time goes to the mailing list next time.
20:11 BobB time for breakfast!
20:11 talljoy thanks BobB
20:11 BobB thanks everyone
20:11 talljoy time for a beer!
20:11 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_11_feb_2015.2015-02-11-19.24.log.html
20:11 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_11_feb_2015.2015-02-11-19.24.txt
20:11 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_11_feb_2015.2015-02-11-19.24.html
20:11 huginn Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 20:11:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
20:11 BobB #endmeeting
20:10 BobB i think we are all done?
20:10 BobB :)
20:10 BobB thx talljoy
20:10 thd BobB: You seem more awake than most others who are not having networking problems :)
20:09 talljoy +1
20:09 BobB thanks thd, the silence of others is taken as consent :)
20:09 BobB if we all agree
20:09 BobB #info the next meeting will be on Wednesday 11 March 2015 at 10.00 UTC
20:08 thd +1
20:08 BobB so 10 UTC next time?
20:08 thd Yes.
20:08 BobB I think if we revert between 10UTC and 19UTC it mostly works
20:08 thd 2 UTC or similar times have historically had terrible turnout even if not terrible for the whole US.
20:07 thd I think 10 UTC also works OK even if it maybe too late for bag and too early for nengard.
20:07 BobB 10 UTC is a good time, but is very early on east coast USA
20:06 thd I think that we would have had a better turnout at this hour if there had been a reminder to the mailing list.
20:05 thd What was the previous meeting time, 10 UTC?
20:04 BobB what time now?
20:04 BobB So our meeting can be on 11 March
20:04 BobB hackfest is 2 to 6
20:04 thd The Hackfest is 2 to 6 March.
20:03 thd Does anyone have a link for hackfest dates?
20:02 BobB or is that during hackfest?
20:02 BobB Should the next meeting be on 11 March?
20:01 BobB #topic Time and Date of Next Meeting
20:01 tcohen_ networking issues...
20:00 BobB I'll change topic?
20:00 BobB well then, we might list both those roles for resolution at the next meeting?
19:59 BobB ok, hope that's meaningful
19:58 thd Sadly, my project was not library related so I could not leverage all my advantages.
19:58 BobB #action thd to update discussion of wiki curation/upgrade and post the link
19:57 thd I am just coming off what had become a large project wrangling years of bad user data.
19:57 thd I expect my time to increase from around now as previously reported.
19:56 BobB ok
19:56 thd Also, testing migration will require more time.
19:56 thd BobB: Yes, exactly.
19:56 BobB oh, we're agreeing I think
19:56 BobB stuff can be moved around now?
19:56 thd ashimema and I agreed that the first step should be a more general cleanup.
19:55 BobB thd a mediawiki upgrade is not essential however to the curation task on the wiki?
19:55 BobB yes indeed
19:55 thd We do not want to go the wrong way and find that we cannot migrate well to MySQL.
19:54 thd In any case, careful testing needs to be done with a copy of the Koha instance of MediaWiki first.
19:54 thd However, we may find that migrating works better after upgrading MediaWiki.
19:53 thd We may need to postpone upgrading MediaWiki until after migrating to MySQL to make best use of the one set of migration scripts which exists.
19:53 BobB that's a big problem, then
19:52 thd Migrating to MySQL may be possible but tricky.
19:52 thd That maybe why command line tests failed in 2010.
19:51 thd ashimema informed me that some aspects of Semantic MediaWiki or the set of related extensions have been known to not work properly in Postgres.
19:50 thd BobB: Yes of course.
19:50 thd The big issue is that when we started using MediaWiki without a proper testing period in consequence of PTFS taking down the former wiki we used Postgres.
19:50 BobB thd could you post the link to that again, after you've updated it?
19:49 thd I will modify my proposal accordingly.
19:49 tcohen which issues specifically?
19:49 thd I have added some comment to the discussion page for my proposal following that conversation.
19:48 thd Last month I had a telephone conversation with ahimema about the issues which he raised.
19:47 thd I agree for the maybe not now for voting, etc.
19:47 BobB go ahead thd
19:47 thd I have a helpful comment to make about the issues raised by ashimema.
19:46 BobB maybe not now?
19:46 BobB #info Previous discussions about roles of Wiki Maintainer and Communications Manager/Coordinator need to be continued at some point
19:46 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
19:45 drojf meeting even
19:45 drojf oops a eeting
19:45 BobB I think the HEA info was posted? Not sure if it was back-ported to 3.16 though?
19:42 BobB #info there is not a lot on it yet - further contributions are encouraged
19:42 BobB #info the Roadmap for Koha page has been created on the wiki
19:41 BobB #topic Actions from General IRC Meetings Dec/Jan
19:41 thd Sorry for missing the context :)
19:40 BobB I'll change topic again
19:40 BobB sorry thd I meant on KohaCon
19:40 thd Maybe wiki maintenance goes in old business by the agenda.
19:39 thd I have an update on the wiki.
19:38 BobB does anyone else have any update?
19:38 BobB olug is not here, I think
19:38 BobB #topic KohaCon15
19:37 BobB changing topic then
19:37 tcohen nope
19:37 BobB or is there anything else on 3.18 tcohen?
19:36 BobB are any other RMs here?
19:36 BobB #info a performance problem in 3.18 caused by DBixis likely to be resolved for the next maintenance release
19:35 tcohen not strictly about performance (at all) but one that has its implications
19:35 thd I posted a meeting page just now at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_11_February_2015 .
19:35 tcohen JOnathan has a proof-of-concept fix, and I'm waiting for Galen as he was about to propose another idea
19:35 BobB cool
19:35 tcohen BobB: yes
19:34 tcohen #info tcohen is happy to know there hasn't been many reports on UTF-8 problems on master since the big push
19:34 BobB tcohen, do you expect the 3.18 performance problem to be resolved for the next maintenance release?
19:33 tcohen so we are very excited to work on that during the hackfest
19:33 tcohen we could take advantage of several DBIx::Class options
19:33 tcohen if we get full out-of-the-box Plack support
19:32 cait #info Katrin Fischer, Germany
19:32 cait missed a meeting?
19:32 cait oh
19:32 tcohen the DBIx issue has several implications
19:32 BobB hi cait, please join the meeting
19:32 tcohen we are working on both
19:31 wahanui1 zebra facets are all done with Koha perl code anyway, not zebra itself.
19:31 tcohen zebra facets
19:31 tcohen performance (Jonathan did a good job finding DBIx is to blame, somehow)
19:31 tcohen there have been reported several issues on 3.18
19:30 * mtompset cheers. :)
19:30 bag yes - sounds like it’s going to be an awesome hackfest - good stuff going on
19:30 tcohen so far we have pushed the UTF-8 patches and a lot of the VAT/GST rewrite
19:30 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY
19:30 tcohen #info tcohen is almost back to his RM daily tasks
19:29 tcohen to work on during the hackfest
19:29 tcohen we spoke about possible stuff
19:29 BobB #topic update on releases
19:29 tcohen there's been a pre-Marseille meeting today
19:28 BobB Any announcements?
19:28 BobB #topic announcements
19:28 tcohen w eare not making any votes or something
19:28 BobB ok, is that all?
19:28 tcohen we are enough
19:27 bag heh - how many do you need?
19:27 BobB I'm trying to stump up a quorum here :)
19:27 talljoy #info Joy Nelson BWS
19:27 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett
19:26 mtompset Not really?
19:26 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater
19:26 BobB mtompset about?
19:26 bag hi
19:26 BobB bag about?
19:26 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, PTFS
19:26 wahanui1 cait is just silly on a train again
19:26 tcohen cait?
19:25 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York
19:25 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba
19:25 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia
19:25 wahanui1 #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
19:25 BobB #topic introductions
19:24 tcohen - topic introductions
19:24 BobB http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_14_January_2015
19:24 BobB The agenda is here:
19:24 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_11_feb_2015'
19:24 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
19:24 huginn Meeting started Wed Feb 11 19:24:15 2015 UTC. The chair is BobB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:24 BobB #startmeeting General IRC Meeting 11 Feb 2015
19:24 tcohen General IRC meeting 11 February 2015
19:23 thd tchohen: I will create the agenda page now if it is not there.
19:23 BobB good start
19:23 wahanui1 i already had it that way, huginn.
19:23 huginn BobB: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'
19:23 wahanui1 if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
19:23 BobB #startmeeting
19:23 tcohen thd did u duplicate the agenda from last?
19:23 BobB #start meeting
19:23 BobB anyway, here goes ...
19:22 BobB I could, but I am not greatly awake :)
19:22 thd BobB: Would you like to chair the meeting?
19:18 tcohen but i'm here
19:18 * tcohen can't chair, taking care of Manuel right now
19:16 tcohen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_14_January_2015
19:16 tcohen alright
19:15 thd tcohen: We could quickly create an agenda from the previous meeting.
19:15 thd I guess there was no reminder sent to the mailing list.
19:15 tcohen ok, do we have an agenda?
19:15 mtompset Oops... miscalculated. :)
19:15 bag oh HI
19:14 BobB 14 minutes ago, bag
19:14 thd bag: Yes, now.
19:14 mtompset a littke over an hour or so.
19:14 bag oh is it meeting time soon?
19:14 BobB 10:45:08)
19:14 BobB Next meeting is scheduled for 11th February, 19 UTC (cait,
19:14 thd Who is here for the general meeting?
19:14 tcohen oh my
19:14 thd tcohen: No the general meeting.
19:13 BobB no tcohen, the general meeting
19:13 * tcohen is puzzled
19:13 tcohen or is it the pre-marseille meeting?
19:13 tcohen was it part 2 of last weeks dev meeting?
19:13 tcohen ok
19:12 BobB but I am happy to return to bed if it does not proceed
19:12 BobB and I have risen early for it :)
19:11 BobB indeed
19:11 thd BobB: Hello. It is the time recorded in the previous minutes.
19:11 BobB hi thd
19:11 BobB snap
19:11 BobB hi folks, is this meant to be a meeting time?
19:10 thd tcohen: Do we not have a meeting now?
19:07 wahanui1 and forth.
19:07 tcohen back?
19:03 mtompset front?
18:39 tcohen thanks wahanui
18:39 wahanui1 and forth.
18:39 tcohen back?
18:01 thd magnuse: Sorry, I could not be more helpful magnuse.
18:01 thd thd: Again, I am only giving a caution for something which mostly works for most people but could work better for everyone.
18:00 magnuse oh well, i gotta run - have fun #koha!
17:57 magnuse thd: that may be, but i have a customer who has been using staging successfully and who would like to continue using it
17:54 thd magnuse: One longstanding problem with importing MARC records from staging is that the MARC framework would act as a filter on those records. You could have fields and subfields stripped out of your records if your frameworks are insufficiently complete relative to the fields and subfields in your records. Using bulkmarcimport.pl has at least historically bypassed the MARC frameworks.
17:40 magnuse thanks for trying thd :-)
17:40 thd magnuse: I know that does not solve your problem but I merely report how I avoided your problem where I was not actually running a library and knew that some parts of the Koha code were especially problematic.
17:38 thd magnuse: The staging code may need some careful rethinking. I would advocate trying to create a workflow which bypasses it which would require writing some additional code for some use cases.
17:36 thd magnuse: I have never used the staging script for any of my work and I have long considered to be prone to design bugs.
17:35 thd magnuse: Then you know what I was prompting you to test.
17:34 magnuse thd: but my records are ok, and bulkmarcimport.pl will just push them into the places where they belong. it is the "Stage MARC for import" tool that is causing me a headache
17:34 thd magnuse: We had discussed the problem of getting Semantic Media Wiki to work on the Koha wiki in 2010 and we had segmentation fault errors on tests at that time which may have been partly a consequence of using Postgres instead of MySQL for MediaWiki.
17:34 mtompset magnuse++ # thank you.
17:33 magnuse (not quite sure of the last one)
17:33 magnuse you can also set the information correctly and do something like git commit --amend --author
17:33 magnuse that will change the last commit
17:32 magnuse just replace the relevant bits... :-)
17:32 magnuse mtompset: git commit --amend --author "Magnus Enger <magnus@...>"
17:31 mtompset Okay, stupid question. I forgot to set the user and email correctly when I made a patch. How do I change it?
17:31 thd magnuse: In other news, some direction from ashimema has given me a clue about how to have Semantic Media Wiki working in the Koha wiki in due course..
17:28 thd magnuse: The extra verbosity parameters which I had written for bulkmarcimport.pl were lost in migrating from CVS. However, you should try different means of importing the data to help isolate the problem.
17:26 thd magnuse: Have you tried the same set of records with bulkmarcimport.pl?
17:25 thd magnue: I once extended the verbosity and much else in bulkmarcimport.pl .
17:24 magnuse thd: yeah, more verbosity would be good. but to me it looks like mysql is not saving the data, yet still reporting the query as a success
17:24 magnuse tcohen: some more info on a problem with staging records that i was talking about yesterday: http://paste.koha-community.org/420
17:23 thd magnuse: Maybe we need to add some verbosity parameters to the perl staging script for use when debugging is needed
17:22 tcohen magnuse, thd: whatsup
17:21 tcohen marcelr++
17:20 thd magnuse: My suggestion would merely test the backend and not provide access in Koha and should not be tried on a production system.
17:20 magnuse thd: sure, but the records never get as far as indexing
17:18 thd magnuse: Are you not indexing with zebra?
17:18 magnuse not sure how zebra comes into play here?
17:17 thd magnuse: You may still have the problem that zebra has some black box like behaviour.
17:16 thd utility was a poor choice of words on my part
17:15 thd magnuse: I do not remember the appropriate syntax but you can use zebra directly on the command line.
17:15 magnuse which command line utility?
17:15 magnuse i have done "sudo koha-mysql instance" and executed the query there
17:14 thd s/web browser/web user interface/
17:14 magnuse thd: not sure what you mean?
17:13 thd magnuse: Try the more reliable command line utility outside web browser functionality.
17:10 magnuse if anyone has any suggestions i'm all ears! :-)
17:10 magnuse feels like i have stared myself blind on it too
17:10 magnuse ^ this is driving me crazy
17:10 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted ""Stage MARC for import" is not saving to the import_batches table, no errors" (198 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/420
16:22 tst_ similar to author authority
16:22 tst_ what settings i need to make so that if i have typed name of A publisher if it comes i should be able to pick up earlier entry
16:21 tst_ i wish to get publisher name as a authority field
16:02 reiveune bye
15:49 huginn Joubu: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 12.1°C (4:48 PM CET on February 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
15:49 Joubu @wunder Marseille, France
15:48 cait stepping out for a bit, bbl
15:47 cait :)
15:47 cait Joubu: you said i can't put my name everywhere!
15:47 Joubu And don't forget to fill the gdoc!
15:47 cait :)
15:47 Joubu see you in Marseille!
15:47 Joubu ok thanks to be there :)
15:46 Joubu bag: and maybe the 4 devs (ES, cat interface, account rewrite and angular circ)?
15:45 bag I hope so Joubu yes
15:45 cait a quick presentation of ES and the state of the cataloger's interface woudl be good
15:44 Joubu bag: for instance, could be great to present ES, don't you think?
15:44 wahanui1 rumour has it OPL is Oslo Public Library a.k.a. "Deichman" - see http://www.deichman.no/ for their website and http://digital.deichman.no/ for their tech blog
15:44 cait OPL?
15:44 cait Joubu: which ones are lighztning talks?
15:44 Joubu At the moment there are only 2 entries, does someone want to present something else?
15:43 Joubu And what about the lightning talks/presentations?
15:42 cait :)
15:42 cait oooh :(
15:42 Joubu ;)
15:42 Joubu cait: don't put your name everywhere!
15:41 Joubu Could all of you add your name in front of the subjects you are interesting in?
15:40 cait yeah it's not easy
15:40 Joubu but it won't be a good idea to put dev somewhere and lib somewhere else...
15:40 cait could be harder to communicate yes
15:39 Joubu but I don't want to split dev :)
15:39 Joubu not yet
15:39 cait Joubu: there has been discussion about a second meeting room at the uni - is ther a plan on how to divide people between both locations?
15:39 kivilahtio ElasticSearch is super easy to use
15:38 Joubu or we can imagine different groups working on the same stuffs, rest api for instance, and compare the results at the end of the day
15:38 cait it's not really zebra often - more the code behind it
15:38 kivilahtio And w ehave been postponing those search issues by saying we are going to change the search engine
15:38 kivilahtio Zebra is seriously limiting our ability to make good searches
15:38 Joubu cait: yes, good idea, could be good to group people
15:38 cait kivilahtio: the plan is not to kill Zebra for now - ES will be an option first
15:38 cait Joubu: 1 month? :)
15:37 kivilahtio I find ElasticSearch and killing Zebra the biggest concern for us
15:37 cait Joubu: should we add ideas to the spraedsheet and add our names where we are intersted in?
15:37 Joubu ok so, conclusion, the hackfest should go on 2 weeks, that's it?
15:37 kivilahtio we can collect orders from many libraries to one big basket. Then a big acq boss can inspect the order
15:37 cait i just want to kill the library - not the feature :)
15:36 kivilahtio but in a way it is a good feature
15:36 dpavlin ok, Marijana confirms that she knows about it
15:36 cait i have lots of ideas for dead code - can keep you all busy ;)
15:36 Joubu maybe we should think about sign some dev off too...
15:36 kivilahtio tell me about it. I managed to keep my cool when teaching people to do acquisitons :)
15:36 kivilahtio :)
15:36 mtompset *cringes* basket group.
15:36 cait dpavlin: basket groups - open a basket group you can drag and drop the baskets in that form
15:35 kivilahtio when I make acquisitons I enter another world for a while when moving basketgroups around
15:35 kivilahtio kill it
15:35 kivilahtio yeah
15:35 Joubu basketgroup?
15:35 kivilahtio dpavlin: Marijuana and me are also wondering :)
15:35 dpavlin cait: there is drag and drop in acq? Marijana and me are wondering where....
15:34 Joubu tcohen: they are not enought, it's just few use cases
15:34 mtompset Restful: good. But adding/removing technologies "constantly (e.g. solr which never fully made it in), seems like a waste of time.
15:34 tcohen just as the integration tests for UTF-8 are
15:34 tcohen those selenium tests, should be on master soon, and run by jenkins
15:34 cait that woudl make owen happy and we can kick it out :)
15:34 Joubu we should catch performance issues earlier
15:34 cait if we want to deprecate stuff... could someone rewrite the drag and drop in acq to not use yui then? :)
15:34 kivilahtio Koha has a looong slimy tail needing refactoring
15:33 tcohen with proper frameworks, etc
15:33 Joubu It would be good to have a performance script too, like the one I did using selenium
15:33 kivilahtio khall: agreed
15:33 tcohen mtompset: it is more like doing the same, but better, more consistently
15:33 kivilahtio mtompset: but I think this is the same as moving from DBI to DBIx
15:33 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett
15:33 khall we're sharks, we must always keep moving forward
15:33 mtompset ^adding^changing^
15:32 kivilahtio mtompset: I agree that we should also deprecate stuff
15:32 tcohen mtompset: *rel¿placing*
15:32 kivilahtio interstink
15:32 mtompset *sigh* Do we have to keep adding technologies?
15:32 khall didn't read the second line ; )
15:32 khall both actually
15:32 khall exactly
15:31 kivilahtio or kinda both :)
15:31 kivilahtio so It is making Koha more like MVC than about making 3rd parties integrate stuff into Koha?
15:31 kivilahtio I undesrtand
15:31 khall But we need to figure our the best way to create reusable angular components for Koha
15:30 tcohen angular++
15:30 khall angular++
15:30 kivilahtio actually it is a spectalcularly great idea :)
15:30 tcohen =D
15:30 tcohen angularize...
15:30 kivilahtio tcohen: I can agree to that
15:30 khall indeed!
15:30 wahanui1 somebody said maybe was a momentaneous error
15:30 tcohen maybe...
15:30 tcohen that's the plan, yes
15:30 kivilahtio tcohen: So you are planning on using the RESTful api as the internal API for Koha modules as well. To AJAXIfy it more ?
15:30 cait so i think there are always differences to be expected
15:30 khall indeed, if all ILS had the exact same features it would be easy to have a universal api, but they don't
15:29 cait also ils offer different features
15:29 tcohen having a coherent RESTfull API is key to have a better UI, better/cleaner code
15:29 tcohen kivilahtio: is not only about interoperability (which will benefit, a lot) but about design, and technologies
15:29 kivilahtio we also have a ton of issues here in Finland regarding non-standard API's and having a Koha RESTful API is another new API to the mix
15:28 kivilahtio I hate these ILS specific API's, why everobody needs to have their own?
15:28 cait reading back sec
15:28 kivilahtio cait: do we have any other inter-library interoperability standards?
15:27 kivilahtio cait: ok
15:27 cait but not the standard that's behind it i think
15:27 cait well in koha iti s
15:27 cait andnot really maintained
15:27 cait kivilahtio: it's limited
15:27 kivilahtio khall: I know it is not exaclty standard based bu we could add more ILS-DI commands outside of the standard scope
15:27 khall I haven't really found much to add to it
15:27 khall Joubu: this is what we have so far: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/New_REST_API_RFC#Guidelines.2Frules_for_the_new_API
15:27 khall kivilahtio: yeah, I think that would be something concurrent or something we can build on top of our own REST api
15:26 Joubu khall: where is your draft?
15:26 kivilahtio I guess ILS-DI is not exactly rest, but it seems like a very good API
15:26 kivilahtio can't we extend that?
15:26 kivilahtio regarding rest api, what is wrong with ILS-DI?
15:25 khall sounds good
15:25 tcohen following an OO model, and khall's API draft
15:25 tcohen maybe have a mini-workshop on writing REST services using Koha::Services
15:25 Joubu just write/complete an rfc won't be enought IMO, we need a poc at the end of the week, with technical approvements
15:24 Joubu to be productive
15:24 Joubu What could be a plan for the rest api?
15:23 Joubu no problem would be better :)
15:23 Joubu hopefully we will catch problems
15:22 Joubu ok, we don't, but we will put plack in a 3.18 test server soon (something like tomorrow)
15:22 Joubu what is the "Browser-based tests for Koha (demo from OPL)" entry?
15:22 bag Joubu: only on opac
15:21 tcohen awesomw
15:21 dpavlin tcohen: we will push master into production before hackfest, and submit bug, I promise :-)
15:21 Joubu bag: do you use plack in production?
15:20 bag excellent
15:20 Joubu I have just added the "full plack support /plack out of the box"
15:20 tcohen dpavlin: the symptoms would be enough
15:20 bag oh we should probably have a quick talk about where we are with plack and follow up on ashimema ’s devel email a few weeks ago
15:19 cait dpavlin: maybe you coudl add some notes tot he spreadsheet?
15:19 dpavlin but, unfortunatly I don't
15:19 dpavlin If I had clear adea what it is, I would make a bug.
15:19 Joubu dpavlin: ho, I thought you were tracking master
15:19 tcohen dpavlin: please fill a bug for the specific problem so we can be prepared to fix it
15:19 wahanui1 okay, cait.
15:19 cait I am also lookign forward to the API discussion
15:19 dpavlin (which I suspect is encoding problem when trasfering request to zebra)
15:18 dpavlin I hope that utf-8 cleanups will fix encoding problems, so only problem left will be zebra
15:18 dpavlin I restart perl process for each request, mostly because of encoding and zebra problems so I don't see any memory leaks
15:17 cait and a set of instructions for the preferred method of activating plack :)
15:17 cait it would be cool if the hackfest ended with a clear path forward
15:17 Joubu dpavlin: do you have memory leaks?
15:17 cait the stats Joubu did with plack are pretty impressive
15:17 Joubu no need to wait for the hackfest :)
15:17 tcohen dpavlin: that sounds as a plan to me :-D
15:17 Joubu sqlhelper will be done soon
15:17 dpavlin including somewhat easy upgrade path from apache installation to apache+plack
15:16 Joubu tcohen: plack: do you know what is the remaining work for that?
15:16 dpavlin we have been running plack for both intranet and opac for half a year, so I have some expirience
15:16 cait there are a few things we could tidy up... sqlhelper... the CGI modules... some unused tables etc.
15:16 Joubu tcohen: we just added some stuffs ByWater would like to see them tested during the hackfest, I added it to the gdoc (workshop tab)
15:16 tcohen i expect to achieve full plack support
15:16 cait and maybe a group working to 'kill dead code'
15:16 cait i expect to do a lot of qa, but would also like to see some progress on plack
15:16 kivilahtio Joubu: I already eat bananas all day long, and swedes.
15:15 Joubu kivilahtio: you will eat bananas all day long
15:15 kivilahtio erm, not lack of cheese, but my lack of beign able to enjoy cheese
15:15 tcohen hi, sorry for the delay
15:15 kivilahtio Joubu: I would like to have some good nuts and fruits, to compensate for the lack of cheese
15:15 dpavlin no, I'm quote happy to help with anything
15:14 Joubu And you, cait, what do you want to do at the hackfest?
15:14 Joubu dpavlin: Do you plan to work on something special?
15:14 cait oh sorry, i missed it :(
15:13 Joubu dpavlin: ?
15:13 Joubu ok, so, somebody else has special needs/wants?
15:13 Joubu no, he left too
15:13 wahanui1 bonjour, bag
15:13 bag magnuse: HI
15:12 kivilahtio Joubu: yeah, all I do is chat with you guys :)
15:12 wahanui1 here is where I work
15:12 Joubu magnuse: still here?
15:12 Joubu kivilahtio: I know you have a lot of spare time
15:12 kivilahtio + ton of stuff
15:12 kivilahtio Joubu: I'll wait for the hackfest. I have a ongoing migration going :)
15:11 kivilahtio even the docs suck so badly
15:11 Joubu kivilahtio: you can already test it, don't need to wait for the hackfest
15:11 kivilahtio I am getting full of this Zebra madness. It is so freaking frustrating
15:11 bag cool
15:11 kivilahtio Joubu: I can help test that like a hawk
15:11 Joubu kivilahtio: about ES, bag is expecting to have something testable for the hackfest
15:10 bag that’s what I’m pushing for :) (he’s a busy university kid)
15:09 Joubu could be great to see it rebased :)
15:09 Joubu bag: Updated 8 months ago by pianohacker
15:09 bag there are a few other branches in there - I think he needs to merge and submit somethings for a nice clean patch
15:09 kivilahtio but it might be too big for one week
15:09 kivilahtio I think if we did something as a community we could focus on that
15:09 Joubu ha no, I found https://github.com/pianohacker/koha/commits/angular-submit
15:09 kivilahtio Elastic search
15:09 Joubu yep, found it
15:08 bag Joubu: https://github.com/pianohacker/koha/tree/angular-circ
15:08 bag Joubu: it’s in pianohackers github currently
15:08 Joubu bag: whaou, I was not aware about that, is there the code published somewhere?
15:08 bag Joubu: ok I can write such a document there to update everyone on ES
15:07 khall ah, you beat me
15:07 khall bag: looking
15:07 huginn 04Bug 13630: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Angular-based circulation client
15:07 bag Joubu: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13630 (really really really pushing to have this ready for Hackfest)
15:06 nengard I plan on getting the help files up to date!!! a week of uninterrupted Koha work will rock
15:06 Joubu bag: it could be nice to have a doc on elastic search, what is done, what is in progress, what will be done, etc.
15:06 bag hey khall what’s the bug number for pianohackers angluar circ
15:06 * magnuse gotta run, but do not have any strong wishes for the hackfest, besides lots of bugs getting signed off
15:06 khall bag summed up my list as well
15:05 Joubu bag: ok, I will add it on the gdoc
15:05 bag Elastic Search, new catalogers interface, khall ’s account rewrite
15:05 Joubu Don't be worry about the cheeses :)
15:04 * bag looking forward to having a few different things ready for testers etc.
15:04 gerundio Joubu, sure
15:04 magnuse bag: HI
15:04 * magnuse needs cheese too
15:04 Joubu gerundio: could you please back in ~1hour, we are in an unofficial meeting
15:03 Joubu kivilahtio: you will have a whole week to signoff on patches )
15:03 gerundio is there any z39.50 client for windows besides yaz that you recommend?
15:03 kivilahtio I haven't been signing off and I feel really bad about it. So I was hoping to sign off stuff
15:03 gerundio I'm trying to troubleshoot Z39.50 server settings on a koha installation
15:03 Joubu Is it exhaustive or someone has another wish?
15:03 kivilahtio I was hoping to contribute for the community, we don't have any agenda for this year
15:02 wahanui1 privet, gerundio
15:02 gerundio hello
15:02 kivilahtio I havea a beer mug
15:02 kivilahtio Yeah I donät have a coffee mug either
15:02 Joubu there are already some entries in the workshops tab
15:01 Joubu the doc is https://docs.google.com/a/biblibre.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuYwR41dPaFZdE11aTNfZmtZR2tmOE9MRVktNER2NVE&usp=sharing_eid#gid=6
15:01 * bag needs cheese and beer :)
15:01 Joubu The idea is to share our needs for the hackfest in 3 weeks in Marseille
15:01 * druthb blames bag
15:01 Joubu Good, I did not prepare anything, I was on another unexpected meeting...
15:00 bag working on IT ;)
15:00 bag working on Joubu
15:00 JesseM Oh Yeah!
14:59 Joubu and tcohen? he left
14:59 khall s/coffee/mountain dew/g
14:59 dpavlin sure :-)
14:59 Joubu cait, kivilahtio, dpavlin, magnuse, ashimema, khall, JesseM, bag, akafred: Did you already prepare a coffee cup? :)
14:44 * magnuse drags dpavlin out of hiding too
14:36 cait druthb!
14:36 wahanui1 Taking over the world is trivial for this one...
14:36 drojf dpavlin!
14:36 druthb drojf! cait!
14:36 drojf druthb!
14:32 cait hi dpavlin *drags him out of hiding*
14:31 * dpavlin hides in shame because he is not more often on irc :-)
14:30 wahanui1 magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
14:30 druthb magnuse!
14:30 magnuse howdy druthb
14:29 druthb kia ora, #koha.
14:28 magnuse kia ora dpavlin
14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Show waiting date on reserve/request.pl
14:18 khall Joubu: bug 13517 is now all fixed up
14:09 magnuse happy fika viktor
14:09 khall yep, I'll have to fix that up
14:08 Joubu khall: the problem is that the enh patch is based on top of the tidying patch...
14:08 cait np viktor - looking forward to see you again :)
14:07 khall Joubu: go ahead an deprecate it. If only because it will introduce conflicts with other patches
14:07 viktor I'll head for some fika and might get back on the horse again later.
14:07 Joubu khall: I don't want to dictate that. But personnaly I would prefer to avoid this kind of massive changes
14:06 viktor Thanks for trying to help me out Joubu++ Cait++ Magnuse++
14:06 viktor By the time I write large and complex patches I hope to have picked up some Git skills along the way. But it's great to learn along the way with the help of everybody!
14:05 khall Joubu: I felt the tidy was needed. However, if you feel strongly about that you can deprecate the tidying patch
14:05 Joubu viktor: actually reset --hard remove all your local changes
14:05 viktor Good Joubu
14:05 viktor All things I'm working on i submitted and the stuff that isn't was going south anyway :)
14:04 * Joubu is feeling better
14:04 Joubu viktor: good
14:04 viktor No worries Joubu - it's a very minor patch really and I don't even have that much interesting stuff in my local git anyway.
14:03 viktor I want my "sm?rg?sbord" with my "ombudsman" but will have to settle for "fika" ;)
14:03 * Joubu is feeling stupid
14:02 Joubu khall: I am not sure it's a good idea to tidy reserve.pl
14:02 viktor Joubu - Have no idea :)
14:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Show waiting date on reserve/request.pl
14:01 Joubu khall: On bug 13517, don't you think it is better to provide a patch for the enh, and open a bug report to tidy the file?
14:00 * Joubu should not have answered with a reset --hard
13:59 Joubu viktor: where are your 3 patches?
13:58 pastebot "Viktor" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Got a bit interesting at least." (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/418
13:54 * magnuse suspects Joubu knows what he is talking about
13:53 Joubu s/avec/before
13:53 Joubu oops, not in french:)
13:53 Joubu s/avec/avant
13:53 Joubu git reset --hard origin/master avec the format-patch
13:53 Joubu viktor: git format-patch -n 3; git apply patch1.patch patch2.patch patch3.patch; git commit -a
13:53 magnuse viktor: yeah, that is ht eboring solution ;-)
13:52 tcohen and oleonard will take care of letting the user choose a really cool icon depicting the phone type
13:52 viktor magnuse cait - This seems to become more work than it's worth. Would it help to just clean out my local git sync everything with the upstream again and commit from a new branch?
13:52 tcohen so: borrower_phone table (id, borrowernumber, phone, type[mobile|home|work|other], use_for_sms[0|1], primary[0|1])
13:51 cait or it did that - not sure with the changes we made there for mulitples - haven't checked
13:50 tcohen by design
13:50 cait then it will show in the table for the patron notifications
13:50 Joubu but...yes
13:50 cait and the sms driver
13:50 Joubu tcohen: on the patron detail page
13:50 cait activate enhanced messaging
13:50 tcohen broken
13:49 tcohen and there's no way to show smsalertnumber on the UI?
13:48 cait smsalertnumber
13:48 tcohen borrowers.smsalertnumber => will send
13:48 cait there is anther field in the borrowerstable
13:47 tcohen borrowers.mobile => won't send
13:47 cait and one only shows up when the fetaure is activated for sending sms
13:47 cait tcohen: there are 2 i think - but one will cause you to get sms while the other would not
13:46 pastebot "Viktor" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Think the rebase messed things up again :)" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/417
13:45 tcohen so, there is a specific field for setting a mobile phone number
13:45 Joubu tcohen: ha yes, sorry. Did not get the question...
13:44 tcohen Joubu: ah, smsalertnumber
13:44 viktor Will do magnuse
13:44 viktor Very happy you can help me out here :)
13:43 Joubu tcohen: see C4::Letters::_send_message_by_sms
13:43 viktor Ok. There?s 4 attachments on the bugzilla thread. At I think at least two were ran with --amend. Will this leave just the last in working condition?
13:43 Joubu tcohen: 88 $sent = $sender->send_sms( to => $params->{'destination'},
13:43 magnuse viktor: so leave the first "pick" as it is, change number 2 and 3
13:42 tcohen yes, but how does it choose the phone number to use for the patron?
13:41 Joubu tcohen: the sms module use a driver, defined in the pref SMSSendDriver
13:41 cait other 2 to
13:41 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right
13:41 cait change the other to to s
13:40 cait leave the first
13:39 magnuse i am not sure if you should change the first and second "pick" or the second and third... anyone? cait?
13:39 magnuse hm, wait a minute
13:39 magnuse viktor: you want to edit what you see there, and replace the second or third "pick" with either "s" or "f" - if you choose "s" you will get all commit messages in an edit screen and you have to edit it to your liking". if you use "f" then you only get the one commit message, and you can edit that to your liking
13:32 pastebot "Viktor" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Output from git rebase" (56 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/416
13:31 wahanui paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
13:31 magnuse paste?
13:31 magnuse can you paste what you see?
13:31 magnuse nope
13:30 viktor Should I remove the lines for the three commits we're trying to get rid of?
13:29 viktor Ah. Finally managed to follow clear instructions :) Have nano open now.
13:27 tcohen how does the SMS module know where to send the message?
13:26 magnuse viktor: what cait said :-)
13:26 tcohen i was about to fill it, before pushing it :-P
13:25 Joubu I am waiting for you to push the patch, to open a new bug report "change label other to mobile" :p
13:25 tcohen we need a borrower_phone table (id, borrowernumber, phone, type[ENUM]) and stop doing this.
13:25 cait so what's the problem? :)
13:24 cait but consistency is desirable
13:24 cait tcohen: never? :P
13:24 cait viktor: HEAD tilde 3 :)
13:24 tcohen when will this end?
13:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13142 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Change "mobile phone" label back to "other phone"
13:24 tcohen bug 13142
13:23 cait huh?
13:22 tcohen thanks!
13:22 Joubu tcohen: I have just added it to my todolist :)
13:21 tcohen Joubu: can u take a look at my followup for 10848?
13:20 viktor Hm. Running git am --abort works. But when I run git rebase -i HEAD -3 it complains. But in new ways :) "fatal: Needed a singe revision"
13:19 Joubu )
13:19 Joubu (if you was running a git bz apply
13:18 Joubu or git bz apply --abort
13:18 Joubu git am --abort
13:18 viktor Hm. Complains about "It looks like git-am is in progress. Cannot rebase".
13:17 viktor Thanks! Coming up.
13:16 magnuse try that and paste the output?
13:16 magnuse i think that would be "git rebase -i HEAD~3"
13:15 magnuse so, let's try and squash those 3 commits
13:15 magnuse if you only upload the last commit to bugzilla it will try to fix a typo in text that is missing (because it is in the first patch)
13:14 magnuse well, if you have three commits on top of each other, the first one changes something and then the second one corrects the typo
13:11 viktor I don't quite understand why obsoleting the other patches don't leave the last one working. And I seem to only dig the hole deeper...
13:11 tcohen /invoke cait
13:11 tcohen cait
13:10 viktor Sort of tempted to just open another bug, do the patch in a new branch and pretend this never happened ;)
13:09 viktor magnuse: Was only correcting a typo so copied the message and added a short extra line to each one. So yes :)
13:08 magnuse soo... 3 commits with the same commit message?
13:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13686 trivial, P5 - low, ---, viktor.sarge, Needs Signoff , Add a hint about collation to the "alphabet" syspref
13:07 pastebot "Viktor" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Output from git log on bug 13686 my local repo" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/415
13:03 magnuse what does "git log" and "git status" tell you?
13:03 magnuse sounds like you might want to fix things up locally, squash your two commits into one and then push that to bugzilla, obsoleting what is there already
13:00 viktor I'm comfortable with messing up my local git directory, but unfortunately there seems to be confusion on the bugzilla end now.
12:59 viktor And now I have no idea what so ever in what state my git is in :)
12:58 viktor magnuse: Yep. Did the mistake of using a diacritic in the second commit message. It crashed, put the file as "untracked" and I had to run --amend. That got the second patch in. Then there was additional confusion later from posting additional updates :)
12:57 magnuse viktor: so you are on abranch, you have one good commit and then the second commit on top of that messed things up?
12:54 viktor morning tcohen!
12:54 huginn 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=35825&action=edit patch, Bug 13686 Add a hint about collation to the alphabet syspref, Bug-13686-Add-a-hint-about-collation-to-the-alphab.patch
12:54 viktor attachment 35825 is the correct one and I tried both posting it as a --amend on top of the first one (while it was active) and obsoleting all other patches. Refues to work both in sandboxes and with git bz apply
12:52 tcohen morning
12:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13686 trivial, P5 - low, ---, viktor.sarge, Needs Signoff , Add a hint about collation to the "alphabet" syspref
12:51 viktor Is anyone around that loves git problems? Did a (very) minor but useful patch in bug 13686 where posting a correction to the first patch started messing things up. Not it's stuck with problems in a 3 way merge.
12:10 drojf search by country does not work well for india though. we should have a gazillion indian devs… oh we don't. ^^
12:09 khall np!
12:09 Joubu khall: thanks, I will have a look after the lunch
12:08 drojf yes, look for someone being active in the community would be my recommendation if somebody asks me
12:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12357 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Enhancements to RIS and BibTeX exporting
12:08 Joubu the list by country is clear
12:08 khall Joubu: updated patches posted to bug 12357
12:08 drojf at least that is my perception
12:07 drojf Joubu: search by country, done. that is how it is done here
12:07 Joubu drojf: could be useful to highlight some, depending on the contributions
12:07 Joubu drojf: the list is so long, I don't know how someone could find something in it
12:05 khall Joubu: I agree. Let me re-tidy without my customization
12:05 Joubu could you try to tidy the file without your extra rule and see if the line is splitted or not?
12:05 Joubu khall: actually I don't care, but it could be great to use the same standard
12:05 drojf of course being listed does not mean much, but that is another point
12:04 drojf *mention koha
12:04 khall odd. Do you want to submit alternate Tidying maptches?
12:04 Joubu I am not against long lines :)
12:04 drojf Joubu: but that is a different story. to GET listed, the simple thing you have to do, AFAIK, is to have some kind of koha service visible on your website and a link to the community website. the last request does not even mention in the description in the mail ;)
12:04 Joubu is splitted into 3 lines, where, if I remember correctly, my try did not split it
12:03 Joubu this line: - @field_list = ('600', '601', '602', '604', '605', '606','607', '608', '610', '615', '620', '660'. '661', '670', '675', '676', '680', '686');
12:03 Joubu khall: looks at your patch "Tidy Ris.pm"
12:02 Joubu drojf: http://koha-community.org/clarification-regarding-the-list-of-paid-support-companies/
12:01 Joubu drojf: Galen wrote something about that
12:01 khall Joubu: replied
12:00 drojf there is so much no-koha that i'd consider it to be, quoting the paid support how-to page, "Entries that are obviously spam (i.e., not relevant to Koha services) will not be accepted." or i am really missing something
11:58 khall Joubu: will do!
11:58 drojf cait: last mail on the main list from half an hour ago
11:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12357 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Enhancements to RIS and BibTeX exporting
11:58 Joubu khall: could you please give an answer to my note on bug 12357?
11:57 cait hi drojf - a new one?
11:56 drojf the request on the list looks like a great no-koha-service-provider
11:47 drojf hi #koha
11:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Default to logged in library for circ rules and notices & slips
11:33 Joubu cait: any thoughts on bug 11625 comment 25?
10:42 magnuse sorry, i have no idea
10:42 vfernandes so what it could be?
10:40 magnuse "sudo grep "Broken pipe" /var/log/koha/*/*.log" gives no hits on my production server
10:37 vfernandes i'm using koha 3.16
10:37 magnuse i can check on my server
10:36 vfernandes koha logs - koha-error_log
10:35 magnuse vfernandes: which log? apache? syslog?
10:24 vfernandes i'm getting 5/10 logs like this per day
10:24 vfernandes one question: are errors like this [cgid:error] [pid 48831:tid 139817945880320] (32)Broken pipe: [client 192.168.38.106:58935] AH02550: Failed to flush CGI output to client, referer: http://backoffice.ubi.pt/cgi-bin/koha/members/paycollect.pl?borrowernumber=6564 normal in koha-error_log?
10:23 cait hi vfernandes
10:23 vfernandes hi guys
09:55 mveron Joubu: Ok, will have a look at it...
09:54 Joubu mveron: it's a shame, it's quite easy to do...
09:54 Joubu mveron: the author does not seem to agree with qa pov, not sure he will submit a follow-up
09:50 cait updating our training materials with some examples
09:50 cait cool thx :)
09:48 Joubu cait: I am currently on http://catalogue.mediathequederoubaix.fr
09:48 dexap mveron: my mind boggles that the available date formats are so damned limited, and hard-coded in multiple places. but i CBA to work on that bug right now.
09:46 cait another question... any suggestions for nice cusomized opacs using the bootstrap theme? )
09:37 cait i know, don't worry
09:30 Joubu cait: sorry, I don't see a good and quick solution here
09:29 mveron Thanks, cait :-)
09:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Failed QA , New dateformat dd.mm.yyyy
09:28 cait bug 12072
09:28 mveron Hmm, we would need it for a library interested in Koha :-)
09:27 cait which is deprecated
09:27 cait mveron: there was an approach - but it failed because of using C4::Dates
09:27 mveron Is there a bugunderway to have dates formatted as 11.02.2015 ? Or do I miss something in the sysprefs?
09:27 cait it's been in the marc21 frameworks forever - just cleaning it up to a 'real' field with this patch
09:26 cait we currently already offer it - it's just going into more_subfields_xml
09:26 cait 13023
09:26 mveron hi Joubu :-)
09:26 Joubu hi mveron
09:26 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Attenschwiller, Sundgau, Attenschwiller, Switzerland is 1.6°C (10:25 AM CET on February 11, 2015). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
09:26 mveron @wunder Basel
09:25 mveron Hi #koha
09:25 Joubu do you know the bug number for the internalnotes field?
09:25 cait but not a real fix
09:25 cait that's why the idea to just say... don't include the items
09:23 cait yeah, it's messy
09:23 Joubu some stuffs are done in pl script, others in the core...
09:23 cait in scope
09:23 cait it's a big problem
09:23 Joubu too many level here...
09:22 cait if it's not showing in the opac, don't include it
09:22 cait i think safest would be to use the hidden flags
09:22 cait we don't have a db feild for it yet (it's on another bug)
09:21 Joubu so I would prefer to remove the internalnotes field from EmbedITems if the opac param is set
09:21 cait showing hidden items is even worse, so good to have that fixed at least
09:20 cait but probably can't fix it right now
09:20 cait but it's something that bothers me - so I'd like to fix it
09:20 cait probably in cart before - because you only made it consistent
09:19 cait yep
09:19 Joubu and now it will be displayed for oai and basket+list, that's it?
09:18 cait the filtering works for items mostly ok right now - not so much fields in the record itself
09:18 cait internal note is not displayed in the opac
09:18 wahanui nowhere is probably close to nz
09:18 Joubu nowhere?
09:18 cait they are not
09:17 Joubu Since the notes are already displayed (do you confirm?), I am not sure we should do something specific for this ft
09:17 cait maybe something we could take a look at in marseille together?
09:16 cait but hiding them is the quick way... filtering out specific fields is too big for me
09:16 cait i agree
09:16 Joubu not to completely hide the items
09:16 cait yep
09:16 Joubu we need to provide a way to hide fields at the opac
09:16 cait sorry, i think i might be confusing this morning :)
09:15 cait in some cases
09:15 cait there is information in items that is not supposed for the user
09:15 Joubu It was a bug, not a feature ;)
09:15 cait because of the internal notes
09:15 Joubu why do you want to turn off items?
09:14 cait guess i am asking fi you'd mind adding a follow-up with opac=1 to the existing patch set
09:14 cait suggesting 2 things - have the opac=1 flag and have a separate feature to turn off items altogether
09:12 Joubu That's not what you were suggesting?
09:12 cait ah, shoudl we add a follow-up on the list/cart bug
09:11 Joubu what do you mean by "how"?
09:11 cait the oai patch is passed qa - should be pushed soon hopefully
09:10 cait how shoudl we handle the opac=1?
09:10 Joubu yep
09:10 cait separately?
09:10 cait would you be ok with me providing a patch for a switch?
09:10 cait so we shoudl always turn thaton
09:09 cait ah ok
09:09 Joubu p
09:09 Joubu ye
09:09 cait the opachiddenitems items?
09:09 Joubu it hides the items for the opac
09:09 cait on the bug you commented :)
09:08 cait what does the opac=1 do again?
09:03 Joubu cait: yep
09:02 cait Joubu: around?
08:55 magnus_afk s/ko/ok/
08:55 magnus_afk ko, i have no idea :-)
08:50 Joubu magnus_afk: I am pretty sure the one I used is the good one
08:45 magnus_afk hm, lots of different selenium modules on cpan
08:37 cait not sure
08:35 cait i think he was thining about a different topic for this
08:35 cait this feels like monday
08:35 Joubu Tomas suggested a video conf, but not sure it's a good idea
08:34 cait i am on the one from last year
08:34 wahanui Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot.
08:34 cait oh... never mind
08:34 cait the google hackfest spreadsheet confuses me - it claims that i have worked on the workshop page, but i haven#t?
08:34 cait ok, i will just be around and hope the best ;)
08:34 cait aaah and you are in uk
08:33 Joubu it's 15UTC, I let a link in the email I sent to koha-devel
08:32 Joubu cait: it could be 4, I don't know where you are exactly ;)
08:32 Joubu cait: ha yes, sorry, I missed it!
08:32 Joubu I was sure some people have ideas, better than selenium
08:32 Joubu magnus_afk: actually I added this subject to the last dev meeting, but we did not have the time to talk about that :)
08:32 cait i think you missed my question earlier :)
08:31 cait the meeting today :)
08:31 wahanui well, the meeting is on wednesday?
08:31 Joubu the meeting?
08:31 wahanui it has been said that 4 is the attribute in bib1.att for title
08:31 Joubu cait: hum, 4 what?
08:31 * magnus_afk found this interesting http://modernperlbooks.com/mt/2012/08/simplified-html-testing-with-mojodom-and-mech.html
08:30 mtj yeah, i must agree
08:30 cait Joubu: 4 today?
08:26 Joubu mtj: I had a look at phantomjs too, but I dislike the idea to write tests in js...
08:25 Joubu yep, zeno wrote them
08:24 magnus_afk ah, they are related to the unicode cleanup, excellent
08:23 magnus_afk the tests in t/db_dependent/www use T::W::M - i thought there was only one file in there, but more have been added while i wasn't looking. yay!
08:22 magnus_afk yeah, that is a good point, about js
08:22 Joubu I don't use it in the tests I have written, but it could be usefull later
08:22 Joubu and selenium uses a "real" browser, you can test the js behavior
08:21 Joubu for instance you can find a node using a xpath exp, not sur it's possible with T::WWW::M
08:21 Joubu magnus_afk: We already use Test::WWw:Mechanize in some test, but I think selenium has more flexibility
08:20 magnus_afk and Joubu++ definitely!
08:19 magnus_afk Joubu: any opinion on https://metacpan.org/pod/Test::WWW::Mechanize?
08:18 mtj oooh, hooks up to jenkins too , http://phantomjs.org/network-monitoring.html
08:15 mtj ..i wondered if it might be useful for koha testing
08:15 mtj i spotted this recently... -> http://phantomjs.org/
08:14 mtj Joubu++ indeed, thanks for the sel. tests
08:13 mtj hi all
08:12 cait Joubu: hackfest meeting at 4 our time today?
08:12 Joubu But I did not find something better
08:12 cait thx for doing it
08:12 cait Joubu++ :)
08:12 Joubu I took me hours to write them
08:11 Joubu magnus_afk: I don't like selenium neither :)
08:09 Joubu hello
08:07 magnus_afk not sure if i am a fan of selenium, but integration tests are definitely good!
08:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13691 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Add some selenium scripts
08:06 magnus_afk yay for bug 13691
07:45 reiveune hello
07:40 magnus_afk bonjour!
07:33 * cait waves too and runs off to work :)
07:32 wahanui hola, alex_a
07:32 alex_a bonjour
07:21 magnus_afk ooh, a clone! :-)
07:17 * Viktor waves att magnus_afk
07:07 * magnus_afk waves
04:17 bag later
04:17 mtompset Have a great day, #koha bag eythian rangi dcook TGoat
04:15 mtompset Greetings, dcook. :)
04:06 bag ah it’s past 8pm here - so it’s WAY too late :P
04:05 eythian much too early :)
04:05 bag well then happy birthday dcook and eythian
03:57 * dcook was wondering why trea always seemed to be having birthdays...
03:53 eythian he was hanging out here over christmas a bit
03:52 bag that is one little rad dood
03:52 bag funny that I did it on a day he was home taking care of Soren - poor guy
03:52 eythian hehe fair enough
03:52 bag so sort of a silly thing that I do :P
03:51 bag eythian: I said happy birthday to him everyday that he worked with me
03:50 eythian hah, he claimed he was off taking care of an unwell soren today. I bet he was just having a birthday party!
03:49 huginn bag: The operation succeeded.
03:49 bag @later tell trea - happy birthday man
02:54 tcohen thanks rangi
02:52 pastebot "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "try this" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/414
02:52 rangi hmm 2 secs
02:52 rangi damn
02:52 rangi ed%20to%20Stable&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=BLOCKED&chfield=bug_status&chfieldfrom=2015-02-08&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=Failed%20QA&f1=bug_status&list_id=121589&product=Koha&query_format=advanced
02:52 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=In%20Discussion&bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&bug_status=Signed%20Off&bug_status=Passed%20QA&bug_status=Pushed%20for%20QA&bug_status=Failed%20QA&bug_status=Patch%20doesn%27t%20apply&bug_status=Pushed%20by%20Module%20Maintainer&bug_status=Pushed%20to%20Master&bug_status=Push
02:49 tcohen yes
02:49 rangi search by change history there
02:49 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/query.cgi
02:49 tcohen i mistakenly cleaned my yesterday's queue, and lost track of a bug
02:49 rangi as in one you marked failed qa?
02:48 rangi hmm?
02:48 tcohen rangi, how can i find a bug i failed yesterday?
02:46 rangi as they should
02:43 mtompset Because all authorized values end up capitalized, I think.
02:43 rangi Francesca: sweet as
02:43 Francesca also I am having trouble with a few things
02:43 Francesca rangi: I probably wont be able to push anything up till the weekend at the earliest, I'm in my last week of summer school and have a lot of assingments due
02:43 mtompset That still may be the case, tcohen. I vaguely recall something similar a while back.
02:42 tcohen i recall authorized values... if you typed the same code, with different cases...
02:42 tcohen eythian: any place where we had problems validating and/or uppering-case stuff at some point
02:42 rangi Francesca: yeah, the more ram the better
02:42 rangi we dont so much anymore, as TT is case sensitive .. we are much better about it now
02:41 Francesca a vm runs best on 8g ram right?
02:41 Francesca hi rangi!
02:41 rangi hi Francesca
02:40 eythian though, if we're relying on it, then it's a problem in koha, but I can't imagine there are too many places where we do
02:40 eythian maybe
02:40 eythian hmm
02:40 tcohen eythian: I think being case insensitive might actually block a migration to postgres
02:28 eythian that needs a login to read
02:27 irma__ https://calyxinformationessentials.createsend.com/subscribers/listDetail.aspx?listID=4B9BEAA0B75A7FCB
02:23 eythian you can put it anywhere, but it can't know how big a pipe is
02:22 dcook Anywho, back to what I was doing..
02:22 dcook Actually I have no idea what I'm talking about
02:22 dcook Or...
02:22 dcook Hmm, wouldn't you want "pv" at the unzip stage?
02:21 eythian that's not surprising
02:21 dcook Hmm, apparently I don't have pv installed
02:20 eythian pv is quite useful for that sort of thing in general. It's basically 'cat' but with a progress bar.
02:19 dcook Well, maybe 5 minutes from now
02:19 dcook Oooh, eythian, that might be perfect for what I'm working on exactly right now
02:15 eythian also, hi Francesca
02:15 eythian "pv instance-2015-02-10.sql.gz | gunzip | sudo koha-mysql instance" is a handy way to do database restores with a progress bar
02:14 * Francesca waves
01:26 mtompset No problem. He's a friend of mine, and asked me about the status of it. I reminded him people are volunteers, so just wait two weeks before asking again.
01:24 eythian I know wizzyrea does, but she's away today
01:21 mtompset By the way, who has edit'ing powers over the list? There was a request by M. Tamayao on February 4 to be added. :)
01:18 mtompset Well said, gmcharlt. :)
01:15 gmcharlt http://galencharlton.com/blog/2015/02/ogres-hippogriffs-and-authorized-koha-service-providers/
00:45 eythian http://blog.ionelmc.ro/2014/12/28/terrible-choices-mysql/ <-- worth a bit of a read, we're probably doing many of these wrong