Time  Nick         Message
23:16 dcook        Wow, that sounds like a rather interesting holiday!
23:16 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
23:16 tcohen       @later tell Joubu have you looked at DBIx::Connector ?
23:14 dcook        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waitangi_Day ?
23:13 dcook        public holiday, eythian_?
23:04 * eythian_   goes back to "It's a public holiday, I'm gonna play computer games for the afternoon."
23:02 eythian_     oh, looks like the meeting was missed by everyone else, as well. I don't feel so bad now.
22:59 eythian_     rats, I totally forgot that there was a meeting an hour ago
22:52 dcook        I don't even know what I would say anymore...
22:51 dcook        And swimmers is Australian for bathing suit
22:51 dcook        Although I think cosy is also Australian for swimmers
22:51 dcook        Hmm, I think both spellings work..
22:50 bag          sure thing :)
22:50 * dcook      forgets sometimes that he has an English degree
22:50 dcook        cozy?
22:50 dcook        Surely full of junk equates to cosy? :D
22:49 bag          heh it’s full of junk - but it’s got a fablous barista
22:49 pianohacker  bag's garage is almost assuredly larger than my apartment, I know that much
22:49 dcook        Oooh, today is Friday. Beer time later...
22:49 * dcook      imagines bag's garage is nicer than a lot of Sydney apartments he's had
22:49 tcohen       heh, I already had the cookie set :-P
22:48 dcook        tcohen: I wondered for a second when it said "Yes, I'm over 18" :p
22:48 bag          me too tcohen
22:48 bag          pianohacker: this one did start there and it’s back - just realizing the garage is the place to be
22:48 tcohen       specially http://garageproject.co.nz/
22:48 dcook        Well, at least the parts of Sydney I see :p
22:48 * tcohen     loves garage projects
22:48 dcook        Garages are a rarity in Sydney with everything so cramped together
22:47 dcook        A garage sounds nice to me
22:47 dcook        hehe
22:47 pianohacker  bag: don't most california startups try to _start_ in the garage and move someplace nicer? ;)
22:47 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
22:47 tcohen       @later tell lds http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U14/
22:47 dcook        So for training, I guess you send people out to the libraries?
22:46 bag          I’m in my garage now
22:46 dcook        Dinger
22:46 bag          landlord sold it so we had to move out
22:46 dcook        Oh?
22:46 bag          actually pianohacker and dcook no more office
22:46 dcook        hehe
22:46 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
22:46 jenkins_koha tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'you'
22:46 tcohen       jenkins_koha: you suck
22:45 pianohacker  dcook: most of us. There's an office in California where Mario, Brendan and Cindy spend some of their time, and I think some of us keep offices outside our homes, but most of us yes
22:43 dcook        I occasionally wonder about ByWater. I recall that a lot of people work from home?
22:41 barton_away  here neither ;-)
22:40 dcook        It's certainly never boring around here :P
22:39 dcook        Occasionally lunch minion if we're having people in for training
22:39 dcook        Well, I'm no one's breakfast minion
22:39 dcook        Yeah, we're a pretty small shop, so I do a bit of everything
22:39 dcook        hehe
22:39 barton_away  no, I do general koha support. I don't get khall's breakfast though.
22:39 wnickc       or be bag's minion?
22:38 dcook        barton_away: Have a second breakfast or have a breakfast minion?
22:38 barton_away  hm. that's what I do, actually.
22:38 dcook        Well, general Koha support really..
22:37 dcook        Food... and to tackle the easier Koha bugs.
22:37 dcook        Actually, a minion for many things.
22:37 * dcook      needs a breakfast lackey
22:37 dcook        :/*
22:37 dcook        Not a bad idea at all, but now I'm at the office :/\
22:37 wnickc       Try a second one if the first didn't take
22:35 dcook        Except that I just ate breakfast and now I'm hungry again...
22:34 dcook        Yeah, I got nothing to say
22:33 barton       well... I don't see anyone lining up to get into the dev meeting... so I'm gonna head out.
22:27 barton       schlafe whohl magnuse
22:27 dcook        magnuse: or eating, according to the wiki :p
22:27 magnuse      but... time for sleep!
22:27 * dcook      is actually around for once
22:27 dcook        Hmm looks like
22:27 magnuse      i thought it should start 26 minutes ago too http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_5_February_2015
22:26 dcook        So... 7:26pm for tcohen, I think
22:26 wahanui      hmmm... Argentina is hosting KohaCon14!
22:26 dcook        barton: Argentina
22:26 dcook        barton: I rarely know any official things :)
22:26 barton       where's tcohen located?
22:25 cait         it's 11:25 here - too late for a meeting for me
22:25 cait         it's right, i was hoping tcohen would mak it
22:24 barton       well, that doesn't quite sound official, but I think you're right.
22:23 dcook        Hmm, I'm never around for dev meetings, so I'm guessing no?
22:19 barton       I thought that the second dev meeting was starting at 22UTC -- wasn't that 20 minutes ago?
20:42 bag          hmm interesting find peggy
20:33 wnickc       oops
20:33 wnickc       share
20:30 peggy        Why the double request?
20:30 peggy        It doesn't happen with title, author, or subject searches - those only generate one request.
20:29 peggy        (sorry, that should be easier to read)
20:29 peggy        3 Feb 2015 13:45:05 -0500] GET cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=half+the+sky&branch_group_limit=branch%3ADOVER HTTP
20:29 peggy        3 Feb 2015 13:45:05 -0500] GET cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=half+the+sky&branch_group_limit=branch%3ADOVER HTTP
20:28 peggy        3 Feb 2015 13:45:05 -0500] GET cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=half+the+sky&branch_group_limit=branch%3ADOVER HTTP 3 Feb 2015 13:45:05 -0500] GET cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=half+the+sky&branch_group_limit=branch%3ADOVER HTTP
20:28 peggy        I have been reading Apache logs for my server.  It looks like each time a keyword search comes from the OPAC that two requests are sent:
20:08 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP modules handling of @INC is confused
20:08 jenkins_koha Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 7904: (QA followup) fix tests
20:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #303: NOW UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/303/
19:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13262 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Add parameters to XSLT Handler transform method
19:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12601 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , aqorders.budget_id should be a foreign key
19:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12905 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Deleting parent fund will orphan child funds, leaving them un-editable.
19:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12860 normal, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Tools > Data export : "Don't export fields" option doesn't work
19:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13270 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , On receiving, "vendor note" label should not be displayed if nothing to display
19:26 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13262: (QA followup) fix duplicate variable definition
19:26 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 13262 - Add parameters to XSLT Handler transform method
19:26 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12601: (RM followup) DBIx updates
19:26 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12601: DBRev 3.19.00.008
19:26 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12601: Add a foreign key for aqorders.budget_id
19:26 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12905: DBRev 3.19.00.007
19:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13441 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Branchcodes should not be allowed to have spaces in them
19:26 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12860: the export tools explodes if a field is not exported
19:26 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13270: Don't display "vendor note" label if nothing to display
19:26 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13441 - Branchcodes should not be allowed to have spaces in them
19:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #302: NOW UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/302/
19:21 wnickc       bag++
18:58 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7904: (QA followup) fix tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5b834a1c474f761c9f9c8c01dd6abeb99ee5eac>
18:53 tcohen       bye #koha
18:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12905 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Deleting parent fund will orphan child funds, leaving them un-editable.
18:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13333 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Basket group is not displayed for already received orders
18:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13457 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Suggestions.t expects sample itemtypes
18:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10241 normal, P4, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Easy analyticals creates two 773 fields. Search/link from host to children is broken
18:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13268 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , biblioitems.size value not correctly displayed (more)
18:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13339 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Cart button doesn't open the cart
18:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP modules handling of @INC is confused
18:44 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12905: funds with children could not be deleted
18:44 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13333: Fix Display basket group for already received orders
18:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13432 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , SIP Server does not respect timeout setting
18:44 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 13457 - Followup for CPL and S codes
18:44 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 13457: Suggestions.t expects sample itemtypes
18:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12975 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Refactor VAT and price calculation - basketgroup page
18:44 jenkins_koha * Thomas: Bug 10241 - Easy analyticals creates two 773 fields. Search/link from host to children is broken
18:44 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13268: the size should not be emptied in pl script
18:44 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 13268 - biblioitems.size value not correctly displayed (more)
18:44 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13339 - Cart button doesn't open the cart
18:44 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 7904 Change SIP modules to use standard LIB path
18:44 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 7904 - remove unnecessary path from SIP script
18:44 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13432 - SIP Server does not respect timeout setting
18:44 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12975: Use the centralize VAT and prices calculation - basketgroup.pl
18:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #301: UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/301/
18:37 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
18:37 tcohen       @later tell Joubu please update your gliffy page for VAT rewrite
18:36 huginn       drojf: The operation succeeded.
18:36 drojf        @later tell cait ping
18:36 magnuse      give people time to travel to the next place
18:35 magnuse      or we could have one week in marseille and the next week somewhere else
18:35 * drojf      would spend the weekend in bed
18:34 * magnuse    would spend the weekend in marseille
18:33 tcohen       hahaha
18:33 bag          magnuse: I’d be down with 2 weeks - with the weekend in Monaco or Nice :P
18:31 tcohen       ashimema: is colin here?
18:28 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13262: (QA followup) fix duplicate variable definition <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=42c342972ab9aed7f3674be4fc226a4806cb5ffc> / Bug 13262 - Add parameters to XSLT Handler transform method <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3c128af9d4e3890cf6cf84fc4bf2c1fc4f9d24c> / Bug 12601: (RM followup) DBIx updates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=
18:26 magnuse      maybe the hackfest should be 2 weeks?
18:26 magnuse      it's cool that the hackfest in marseille is evolving into a kind of HackConf, with presentations and people working on specific stuff, but the very first one was also very cool, when everybody just focused on signoffs and moving bugs alng
18:22 tcohen       shame on you :-P
18:22 tcohen       well, khall does too :-P
18:20 magnuse      yeah, more people should have problems like that :-)
18:19 tcohen       bag: you can bet on that!
18:13 bag          wait wait that’s an excellent problem :D
18:10 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
18:10 tcohen       @later tell Joubu stop it. You have too much stuff passed-qa :-P
18:06 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12905: funds with children could not be deleted <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=522e9c5861854fad7c9b292f75ebd19968f5b11c> / Bug 13333: Fix Display basket group for already received orders <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=74640683f0d7f4b9734a69763424b33977f66cfd> / Bug 13457 - Followup for CPL and S codes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=
18:05 * magnuse    reads the scrollbacl from the meeting
16:53 jcamins      The code is available, so anyone can go ahead and run it themselves.
16:52 jcamins      oleonard: that doesn't seem unusual to me. Most companies can't afford to provide free hosting for everyone.
16:41 * oleonard   runs across software which claims to be open source but is in private beta. That doesn't seem right...
16:30 reiveune     bye
16:29 akafred      I'll be more than happy to show&tell in Marseille.
16:28 akafred      Everything is possible ... but ... I think the community will have a few issues with our approach ...
16:27 cait         cya all tomorrow
16:27 cait         sorry, have to run
16:25 * Joubu      does not know cucumber
16:25 Joubu        akafred: do you think it could be possible to add them into the Koha codebase?
16:25 cait         no usn here... but i was promised spaghetti at a friend's house
16:25 akafred      I can demo in Marseille if you're interested ...
16:25 cait         cya
16:24 akafred      At OPL we use Cucumber + Watir-Webdriver (webdriver=selenium2) to automate tests against Koha++.
16:24 Joubu        ok, let's enjoy the sun outside :)  see you  tomorrow
16:23 Joubu        /quit
16:23 tajoli       exit
16:23 tajoli       quit
16:23 Joubu        cait: maybe we are both in an interspace of the internet :)
16:23 tajoli       bye
16:22 cait         hm looks like it and i am not vers helpful
16:21 Joubu        everybody left?
16:21 Joubu        the idea would be to launch the test on jenkins
16:21 cait         i always had problems rerunning the tests i created
16:21 cait         i treid in the browser a long time ago
16:20 Joubu        Does someone already tested/played with selenium?
16:20 cait         i think he worked on something in the past, might have it somewhere
16:20 cait         Joubu: maybe talk to magnuse
16:20 cait         maybe the perf discussion can continue on list/bug? not sure
16:20 Joubu        I can try to find some time to dev a script to test pref regression, I would have got some info/ideas
16:19 cait         ah sorry
16:18 cait         not good?
16:18 Joubu        hum ok...
16:18 huginn       Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/irc_development_meeting_5_february__part_1.2015-02-05-15.03.log.html
16:18 huginn       Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/irc_development_meeting_5_february__part_1.2015-02-05-15.03.txt
16:18 huginn       Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/irc_development_meeting_5_february__part_1.2015-02-05-15.03.html
16:18 huginn       Meeting ended Thu Feb  5 16:18:15 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
16:18 cait         #endmeeting
16:18 cait         #action tcohen to set date and time for next meeting - email to dev list
16:17 tcohen       please
16:17 tcohen       yes, action
16:17 tcohen       next wednesday
16:17 cait         ah :)
16:17 cait         shall we just #action him to?
16:17 tcohen       yes
16:17 cait         with a date/time?
16:17 cait         will yo u send an email tcohen?
16:17 tcohen       later guys
16:16 * tcohen     has to leave
16:16 tajoli       I try
16:16 cait         i will be travelling the week after next
16:16 cait         ok for me
16:16 tcohen       could we have one next week?
16:16 tcohen       i changed my mind, we can leave the rest for the next meeting
16:16 Joubu        + set time for a pre hackfest meeting
16:15 Joubu        I will have some time to dedicate on that
16:15 tajoli       I prefer 3
16:15 Joubu        I would like to talk about the test perf regression
16:15 tcohen       yes
16:15 cait         is there something really urgent on the leftover topics?
16:15 cait         maybe we should put the rest on the next meeting?
16:15 * tcohen     has to leave in 3~4 minutes
16:15 tcohen       cait: moving on?
16:14 khall        <whisper>sounds good to me</whisper>
16:14 tcohen       i'll put it on next dev-meeting's agenda
16:14 tcohen       shh, will write it without people noticing
16:13 khall        tcohen: is that in the coding guidelines? I'm not seeing it
16:13 * barton     promises not to vote again in the second meeting.
16:13 tcohen       :-P
16:13 cait         #info voting results 1) 0 2) 3 3) 1 4) 2
16:13 tcohen       lets see what people say on part 2
16:12 tcohen       #voting results 1) 0 2) 3 3) 1 4) 2
16:11 tcohen       more votes?
16:11 huginn       Current chairs: cait tcohen
16:11 cait         #chair tcohen
16:11 cait         sorry phone
16:11 khall        agreed!
16:11 tcohen       :-P
16:11 tcohen       nah, quotes are forbidden
16:10 Joubu        So we should also vote for $a->{"foo"} or $a->{foo} :)
16:10 ablj          2
16:10 barton        2
16:10 tcohen        4
16:10 cait          4
16:10 Joubu         3
16:10 khall         2
16:10 cait         please vote which you prefer: 1) $a->{b}{c}  2) $a->{b}->{c} 3) both shoudl be valid 4) no opinion
16:10 Joubu        I switched from $$a{key}{bar} to $a->{foo}{bar}. It was already a big change :p
16:09 tcohen       what does perlcritic say about this?
16:09 tcohen       we could just vote
16:09 tcohen       i think we can all adapt to either
16:08 Joubu        Let's us do like we want? :)
16:08 barton       I agree with all of the above ;-)
16:08 cait         the qustion is: is this a qa fail or are we allowing both equally for now?
16:08 khall        agreed, but I also prefer the latter
16:08 cait         i think we have worse things to battle :)
16:08 tcohen       0 for me
16:08 cait         i kind of agree there :)
16:08 Joubu        But I really don't want to discuss years about that, it's really minor, IMO.
16:07 cait         i don't have a preference
16:07 Joubu        I definitely prefer the first :)
16:07 barton       I definitely prefer the second.
16:06 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13240 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , advanced_notices.pl contains code obfuscation
16:06 cait         #info bug 13240 for discussion
16:06 cait         #topic Coding syntax preferences: $a->{b}{c} vs. $a->{b}->{c}
16:05 cait         moving on
16:05 cait         #info please report before first week in march, so problems can be fixed at the hackfest in marseille
16:05 cait         #voting results on code removel of grs-1: 1x 0, 7x yes
16:04 tcohen       if there are remaining issues, they should be reported before Marseille's hackfest, so we can solve them
16:04 oleonard      0
16:04 khall        +1
16:04 cait         #info UNIMARC and all other users are encouraged to report any issues with DOM indexing
16:04 ablj         +1
16:04 tcohen       +1
16:04 Joubu        +1
16:04 barton       +1
16:04 Joubu        +&
16:04 TGoat        good morning beautiful #koha peeps
16:04 tajoli       +1
16:04 cait         +1
16:04 tcohen       and UNIMARC users/providers are encouraged to report any issues
16:04 cait         so please vote on code removal of grs-1 code - making dom the only available option
16:04 tcohen       i think we can have a vote
16:03 cait         ok
16:03 Joubu        paul_p agreed last meeting, so good to me
16:03 cait         #info  GRS-1 has been deprecated on July 7 2014
16:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9342 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, zebra UNIMARC dom indexing does not work
16:03 Joubu        it was bug 9342
16:03 tcohen       *23
16:03 tcohen       it is important to note GRS-1 has been deprecated on July 7 2014
16:03 cait         Joubu: would you be ok with having a vote?
16:02 cait         #info bug 12641
16:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Formally deprecate the GRS-1 indexing mode
16:02 cait         bug 12641
16:02 Joubu        "I have just install an install with unimarc + dom, it works"
16:01 Joubu        I let a note on a bug, don't remember when/where
16:01 Joubu        tcohen: yes, I think so
16:01 tcohen       have you at least evaluated DOM UNIMARC setups?
16:01 Joubu        I use dom on my dev install, but I don't play with zebra indexes...
16:00 Joubu        BibLibre customers still using grs1
16:00 tcohen       if they are using it, successfully
16:00 tcohen       I'd like to hear from UNIMARC users
16:00 cait         any comments before the vote?
15:59 cait         i thik we still don't have current problems with dom indexing, so this seems safer :)
15:59 cait         #topic GRS-1 removal
15:59 tcohen       ah,ok
15:59 cait         yeah
15:59 tcohen       0 is neutral?
15:59 cait         moving on to another topic, hopefully easier :)
15:59 cait         #info voting results on code removal of non-XSLT views: 3x 0, 5x yes
15:59 tcohen       +1
15:58 cait         i will add the results as info
15:58 cait         there is a second meeting scheduled
15:57 bag          hmmm  hard one  +1
15:57 cait          0
15:57 tajoli        0
15:57 Joubu         0
15:56 barton       +1
15:56 oleonard     +1
15:56 khall        +1
15:56 barton       I second the movement to vote.
15:56 cait         please vote on removal - keeping in mind that features might not be ported on time
15:56 tcohen       yes
15:56 cait         ?
15:56 cait         so can we have a vote
15:55 cait         #action cait volunteers again to look into creating a better list of features missing from XSLT view
15:55 khall        cait: before would also be preferred, but not required
15:55 cait         true
15:55 oleonard     Not on purpose anyway cait
15:55 cait         the question is if they will be ported before or after removal
15:55 khall        I also have no objections. Growing pains are inevitable. But the advantage of only one view to update is worth it
15:55 cait         but we could
15:55 cait         breaking features :)
15:55 cait         it's something we didn't do so far
15:54 tcohen       i have no objections
15:54 oleonard     So we know some things need to get ported, but does that block agreement on the plan to remove the normal view?
15:54 cait         looks like i did volunteer last time ... oops
15:54 cait         woudl someone volunteer to look at the code?
15:54 cait         can we set a deadline for next meeting to feed the bug with depending things?
15:53 cait         or maybe say they will get removed
15:53 tcohen       it's all bloody mixed
15:53 cait         it's deprecated, but need to decide about features
15:53 cait         i think we maybe need a more comprehensive list - maybe lookint at the prefs on the normal views?
15:52 khall        I can't give any specifics at the moment, I'll need to reappraise myself of the feature
15:51 tcohen       users-branch?
15:51 tcohen       specifically?
15:51 khall        tcohen: my guess is the hard part is getting the data to the xsl template
15:50 tcohen       khall: is it just template stuff?
15:50 khall        I'm no xslt wizard though, so I don't know what it will involve
15:49 khall        cait: I think it'll have to be ported
15:48 tcohen       are they aware of its deprecation? concerned?
15:48 cait         khall: woudl you be able to port that to xslt?
15:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11426 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Make HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC work with XSLT
15:48 cait         or bug 11426
15:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13327 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPACPopupAuthorsSearch doesn't work with XSLT views
15:48 cait         bug 13327 for example
15:48 cait         the problem with killing it is that we will have a feature loss for some libraries
15:47 cait         i think i found another - the opac summary field in the itemtype configuration - that's non-xslt only? if used at all still?
15:47 cait         does someone have the actions about this on hand?
15:47 huginn       04Bug 12561: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Omnibus: Deprecate non-XSLT detail and result views
15:47 tcohen       #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12561
15:46 tcohen       it is already deprecated, since July 2014
15:46 tcohen       Non-XSLT removal
15:46 cait         :)
15:45 tcohen       #action people that have issues with zebra facets, contact tcohen who will be looking at those
15:45 cait         #topic Non-XSLT removal
15:45 cait         i will try to arrange better testing or find samples in my dev database
15:45 tcohen       and spot possible Koha problem?
15:45 cait         ready to move on?
15:44 tcohen       to try the facet retrieval directly from zebra
15:44 cait         will see about it
15:44 cait         too busy today :(
15:44 cait         not yet
15:44 tcohen       cait: did u get access to the z39.50 port?
15:44 cait         anything to #info
15:44 tajoli       there is also an other problem on Zebra: 'Zebra hyphen truncating search' on koha-devel
15:44 cait         ok movingon?
15:44 cait         i know - maybe we can just keep it in mind and an eye on it?
15:43 tcohen       (talking about (2))
15:43 tcohen       I couldn't reproduce cait's problem FTR
15:42 Joubu        Are the facets sorted by "count" ?
15:42 ashimema     I'm finding datatables really slow
15:42 cait         yep
15:42 Joubu        weird
15:41 cait         22
15:41 Joubu        1: what was the number of result? > 1000?
15:41 cait         would be interested if there is an explanation yet or if people experience similar things in testing
15:41 cait         it didn't onyl happen for itemtypes but also for other categoreis, just quite obvious there
15:41 cait         if the default is set to 1000... i don#t se why this could happen yet
15:40 cait         2) for a result set of 22 records it didn't list all itemtypes as facets that were present in the result set in some 'sort' cases
15:40 cait         1) the facets changed with the sorting i chose
15:40 cait         i have done some testing with facets and ran into somethings that confused me a little
15:39 tcohen       I don't have it
15:39 tcohen       to play with
15:39 cait         tcohen++
15:39 tcohen       it'd be great to have a sample DB with more than 1M records *with items*
15:39 tcohen       at once, heh
15:39 tcohen       i'm working on both
15:39 tcohen       b) there's no current way to change the current behaviour of facet retrieval failing if some facet is not previously populated
15:38 tcohen       a) there seems to be a bug that prevents retrieving more than 8 facets at once (they filled a bug ZEB-663 as per my request)
15:37 tcohen       i'm experimenting with retrieving all facets at once, whch seems optimal, but need indexdata's feedback on two problems
15:36 Joubu        tested on a 1M record DB
15:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13665 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow
15:36 Joubu        I have opened a bug report to explain what I have tried 2 days ago (bug 13665)
15:36 tcohen       at UNC we see a gain in speed instead, but our databases are small (90K the bigger)
15:36 tcohen       it was a good default, but it seems that large databases (more than 1M records) see some impact on speed.
15:35 tcohen       about (2) the preference facetNumRecs (present in zebra-biblios-dom.xml) is set to 1000 by default
15:34 tcohen       about (1) i'm in talks with indexdata, and will try to have something about it soon, so it doesn't catch us
15:34 tcohen       2) their performance is not logaritmic on the amount of records you ask them ti be calculated on
15:33 tcohen       - they are problematic with the latest Zebra (2.0.59) already present in Testing
15:32 cait         tcohen goes first :)
15:32 tcohen       i've collected several stuff about the "zebra facets" feature i'd like to share
15:32 cait         I'd like to add an obvervation here about zebra facets
15:32 khall        hackfest++
15:32 cait         hopefully productive fun - but fun i am sure :)
15:32 tcohen       Marseille will be really fun
15:32 cait         #topic Zebra / Facet issues
15:31 tcohen       we are all on the same track, moving on :-D
15:31 khall        lol
15:31 khall        angular
15:31 tcohen       angular
15:31 khall        tcohen: what we really need is to get datatables to play well with a standard api instead of the special stuff it prefers
15:31 cait         moving on?
15:31 cait         ok
15:31 cait         not sure
15:31 cait         adding a record? )
15:31 cait         maybe soemthing easy and existing? :)
15:31 tcohen       maybe search ? :-D
15:30 tcohen       khall: all good
15:30 khall        tcohen: that was just an example, we can find something else as a starter
15:30 cait         #action khall volunteers helping out with the RFC and writing up some guidelines
15:29 cait         trying to catch up reading
15:29 cait         someone else i need to action? :)
15:29 tcohen       please don't tie the new restful api to a new sysprefs service implementation
15:29 bensinober   see you in Marseille!
15:29 Joubu        maybe should we wait for the discussion at the hackfest before writing anything?
15:29 khall        ashimema: yes, I think it's a very good base. Honestly, the more terse we can make it the better it will be followed
15:28 bensinober   got to go, if there are anything to vote on, I'm good with ashimemas plan
15:28 * ashimema   to fit this all around having baby ;)
15:28 cait         #action ashimema to submit patches for the new restful API - core + a sample
15:28 tcohen       ashimema: i don't have any problem with pushing eythian's work on /svc
15:28 ashimema     eat your heart out cait ;)
15:28 cait         can i add actions? :)
15:28 ashimema     would certainly apreciate your input on it too..
15:28 ashimema     khall.. seen the wiki page above?
15:27 ashimema     I'm happy doing the work to port it.. seeing as I've already got a half baked one here to play with ;)
15:27 khall        I'd be more than happy to help write up some Koha REST api standards
15:27 ashimema     tcohen et al.  were we ok with putting eythians patron api stuff in as is.. with the undertsnading that it'll be deprecated fairly quickly once we have had the restful debate at hackfest..
15:26 ashimema     khall.. defoo.. that's the best plan I reckon
15:26 ashimema     and i've also got some other examples I'll be posting along with it..
15:26 khall        I'd say bugs for Core -> New SysPref Servce -> Replace Old SysPref Service with New
15:26 bensinober   great idea
15:26 ashimema     I'll be submitting cash management at some point.. and that relies heavily upon it.. showing good practice for three routes at least..
15:26 cait         #link https://github.com/pianohacker/koha/commit/40908d6e58c40e6ffaa488266a70ef5233fe9642
15:25 tcohen       it could help eythian on his effort with patron management
15:25 ashimema     https://github.com/pianohacker/koha/commit/40908d6e58c40e6ffaa488266a70ef5233fe9642
15:25 khall        ashimema: sounds like an excellent plan
15:25 tcohen       ashimema: core + one sample endpoint implemented would be a good start
15:25 * cait       dislikes all at once things
15:25 ashimema     he was trying to do it all at once.. hense the hold up.
15:25 ashimema     What I was going to do was split down his tree into a whole set of bugs.. 1 with the core module in.. then a bug for each svc we port..
15:25 tcohen       is there any sample implementation to look at?
15:24 cait         yay :)
15:24 ashimema     Jesse's given me the all clear to submit his work thus far tcohen ;)
15:24 ashimema     I 'think' with Jesse's work, if we later wanted to port it to Dancer/mojo it wouldn't be an aweful job.
15:24 tcohen       does #bywater have a schedule for it?
15:24 cait         ashimema: is it something we could shift to a framework later and have this as a first step?
15:23 tcohen       the question is
15:23 ashimema     jesse's stuff is nice.. as it take's some of the best bits of the frameworks and effectively backports them to our 'koha' framework.
15:22 Joubu        not really
15:22 ashimema     if we chose to use a framework it should be all or nothing... or we're just building ourselves into two corners again.
15:22 bensinober   seems to me a good idea to join the work of Jesse w and build out a internal API that could have selected services exposed
15:22 cait         Joubu: do you have a preference?
15:22 cait         and i'd like to see something inside koha as kyle says
15:22 ashimema     I'm all for including Jesse's stuff..
15:22 khall        ashimema: right. I'm 100% for the rest api being baked in to Koha
15:21 cait         just a little worried about having a framework discussion :)
15:21 ashimema     in the medium term I'd like to replace all the current internal use of svc with new rest stuff
15:21 cait         ashimema: what would be your preference? building on jesse's or swtiching it to a framework?
15:21 ashimema     Jesse's work is certainly rather nice.. though it's basically just a clone of a small aprt of what allot of other frameworks give you out of the box. i.e dancer, mojo etc
15:21 bensinober   but there is sparse documentation
15:20 bensinober   as a sidenote, /svc is already used internally for patron lookup, preference settings etc.
15:20 ashimema     having said that.. in some ways being self contained is nice
15:20 khall        I really like Jesse Weaver's work
15:20 ashimema     koha-restful is compeletly self contained and doesn't really lend itself to inclusion in koha as is..
15:20 tcohen       either using something like dancer, or mimicking koha-restful using  CGI::Application::Dispatch or an equivalent solution
15:19 khall        agreed.
15:19 tcohen       I think that's the way to go
15:19 ashimema     then no-one's in the dark with how things 'should' be done.. and the QA team have somthing to refer to when feeding back
15:19 bensinober   there are some issues on 3.16 and 3.18 both
15:18 Joubu        maybe not tested with koha 3.18
15:18 tcohen       that handles the routing for each endpoint
15:18 ashimema     I think the real first stage in this is to get some good clear guidlines for it bashed out..
15:18 tcohen       is that it is well organized, and has a single front-end script
15:18 jeff         serendipitously stumbling into this meeting and finding it interesting/potentially-relevant. :-)
15:18 Joubu        we use it!
15:18 Joubu        bensinober: we used it, yes
15:18 tcohen       what i'v seen about koha-restful
15:18 ashimema     definitely.
15:18 bensinober   we have been using koha-restful some at OPL, though we are wondering about if its maintained
15:18 jeff         #info Jeff Godin, Traverse Area District Library (TADL)
15:18 Joubu        koha-restful dev will be present at the Marseille hackfest, will be good to talk with them
15:17 Joubu        I didn't dev it
15:17 Joubu        I don't have any experience with koha-restful
15:17 ashimema     I think the main thing is that we should be ancourages work in the new namespace.. and discourages work in the old as soon as we decide to go for it..
15:17 tcohen       Joubu: what's your experience with koha-resful regarding how you manage the routing?
15:16 tcohen       besides the name....
15:16 tcohen       ashimema: I guess he wanted to keep /svc
15:16 ashimema     'twas Joubu's thought to shift it..
15:16 bensinober   agree, versioning APIs are crucial
15:16 ashimema     I'm fine with that..
15:16 tcohen       khall: I agree
15:15 ashimema     I was hoping to find a time that means people across the world can join in a bit.
15:15 khall        I fail to see why we should move svc to svc_legacy, which will break existing services when we can just start fresh with /rest/v1/
15:15 ashimema     we're hoping to have a gathering to discus it as hackfest..
15:15 ashimema     yeah.. beyond what we've said so far on that page this isn't much..
15:15 ashimema     #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
15:14 talljoy      #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions
15:14 ashimema     didn't realise thre was a meeting
15:14 khall        REST all the things!
15:14 ashimema     ahh..
15:14 cait         #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/New_REST_API_RFC
15:14 tcohen       ashimema: all yours
15:14 cait         #topic REST API RFC
15:13 cait         any comments tho?
15:13 Joubu        #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre
15:13 cait         ok
15:13 tcohen       cait
15:13 tcohen       so, lets move forward, ciat
15:13 tcohen       GRS1 and non-XSLT view removal would ease the refactoring
15:12 tcohen       ok, that's it for now
15:12 tcohen       this is just general comments on what is worring me now
15:12 tcohen       welcome tajoli, nice to hear that
15:12 khall        #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
15:11 tcohen       but that's WIP, and we have stuff already on the pipe, i.e. bugs
15:11 tajoli       we testing on bugs about QueryParsing ?
15:11 * magnuse    wanders off
15:11 tcohen       I started some tests on optimizing/refactoring C4::Search::searchResults
15:11 wahanui      bidet, magnuse
15:11 magnuse      bag: HI
15:11 tcohen       - searching (neither QP completeness or search performance have people worried/working on that)
15:10 tcohen       - plack support (what's missing needs devs to take a look)
15:10 tcohen       but it seems that some important koha bits are not having enough attention
15:09 tcohen       they promised a response
15:09 tcohen       we are in talks with indexdata on some problems we found (dcook and I)
15:08 tajoli       #info Hi Zeno Tajoli, Cineca (Italy)
15:08 tcohen       and there's also the recent problems with zebra's performance on the list
15:08 tcohen       will discuss that later
15:08 tcohen       it is a trade-off between the minimum possible db access vs reasonable invalidation
15:07 tcohen       we need to make a decision on how/what to catch
15:07 tcohen       most of it is on the next topic list
15:07 tcohen       ok, I'm worried about several stuff that is stuck
15:07 tcohen       the agenda is missing the "deprecate Squeeze support" line
15:06 tcohen       oh
15:06 bag          magnuse: HI
15:06 cait         now :)
15:06 tcohen       it is
15:06 cait         #topic RM 3.20 comments
15:05 cait         you are right, but the agenda was not updated :)
15:05 tcohen       3.20?
15:05 * cait       hands the keyboard to tcohen
15:05 cait         #topic RM 3.18 comments
15:05 barton       couldn't resist.
15:04 barton       #info Coffee: |=============>|.....| 75 %
15:04 jcamins      #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services
15:04 edveal       #info Ed Veal, ByWater Solutions
15:04 NateC        #info Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions
15:04 oleonard     #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio
15:04 cait         #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
15:04 bag          #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions
15:04 NateC        s
15:04 cait         #info the agenda for today's meeting can be found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_5_February_2015
15:04 bensinober   #info Benjamin Rokseth, Oslo Public Library
15:04 barton       #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville KY, USA
15:04 NateC        woops
15:04 NateC        #info
15:04 tcohen       #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba
15:04 cait         please introduce yourself with #info
15:04 cait         #introductions
15:03 wahanui      Welcome to zombo.com
15:03 cait         welcome
15:03 barton       Coffee: |=============>|.....| 75 %
15:03 huginn       The meeting name has been set to 'irc_development_meeting_5_february__part_1'
15:03 huginn       Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
15:03 huginn       Meeting started Thu Feb  5 15:03:52 2015 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:03 cait         #startmeeting IRC Development Meeting 5 February, part 1
15:03 tcohen       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_5_February_2015
15:03 cait         ok one sec
15:03 tcohen       please
15:03 barton       ... although another cup o coffe wouldn't hurt.
15:03 cait         tcohen: do you want me to chair?
15:02 * barton     is here with bells on.
15:02 bensinober   no worries ;)
15:01 cait         bensinober: thx for sip testing :)
15:01 bensinober   not speaking for everyone else, but yes
15:01 cait         but we can start anyway? :)
15:01 * magnuse    might catch the first few minutes
15:01 cait         :)
15:01 cait         no
15:00 tcohen       are people ready for the meeting?
14:57 ashimema     that's upsetting that it's taken 4 years to notice it
14:56 ashimema     and even then there was no functino defined for it..
14:56 ashimema     back in 2011
14:56 ashimema     Seems i can blame Colin for this one.. though I'm not sure how.. looks like he wrote the file with it in the first place
14:55 ashimema     gotta love git.
14:53 ashimema     jcamins even
14:53 ashimema     chere jacamins
14:51 jcamins      ashimema: git blame commit^ -- file
14:50 ashimema     I bet blame will take a commit hash somehow.. blame file@commit or some such syntax
14:49 ashimema     I tihnk i've just answered myself there..
14:49 ashimema     i.e. blame.. damn... that change isn't the one I'm looking for.. blame before commit..
14:49 ashimema     not somthing i've tried before..
14:49 ashimema     anyone know if you can do a blame that steps back further commits in some way..
14:49 cait         not a good sign, mayb really old
14:49 ashimema     whihc leads me to another question
14:49 ashimema     but not the commit that inserted the validate..
14:48 ashimema     blame show a couple of commit's that added to the lines..
14:48 wahanui      git blame is handy, but it's just one tool in our debugging arsenal
14:48 cait         hm git blame?
14:48 ashimema     seeing console errors for it that i don't think i've noticed before.. but then I was probably never looking before
14:47 ashimema     I can't find a js function defined for it anywhere..
14:47 ashimema     did validatePayment ever work in the payments page..
14:35 cait         sounds interesting :)
14:35 cait         heh
14:35 ashimema     wrong window
14:35 ashimema     oops..
14:35 cait         gmcharlt: ping? :)
14:34 ashimema     should be simple enough to load into both tables regardless in the back end.
14:34 ashimema     hope that's OK..
14:34 ashimema     It was quicker to get the groups in an auth list in code than it was to turn it back into a text field..
14:34 ashimema     cool..
14:31 ashimema     hi tcohen
14:31 tcohen       hi ashimema
13:53 ashimema     I'll get there ..
13:53 ashimema     I'm usre I had it working.. but this mroning it's failing me again
13:53 ashimema     k.. no worries..
13:52 oleonard     No ashimema not off the top of my head
13:52 cait         oleonard++ :)
13:52 ashimema     hey oleanard.. do you happen to know how to get the current row on click in a datatables column
13:49 magnuse      btw, i always felt the webinstaller had a few too many clicks in it, but that is outside the scope of that work, of course :-)
13:48 magnuse      looking good!
13:47 oleonard     I wanted to test Bootstrap 3 and tinker with the installer workflow at the same time (strictly template-side)
13:47 oleonard     http://www.screencast.com/t/rvlz4s3ma
13:46 oleonard     Yeah I don't think I filed a bug for it because I was kinda just playing around with it
13:44 wahanui      screenshots are best
13:44 tcohen       screenshots
13:44 tcohen       oleonard had some mockups
13:42 magnuse      is there a bug in bugzilla for that? just curious
13:37 oleonard     Sure
13:37 tcohen       no worries oleonard, if someone steps into that, would you provide your advise?
13:37 oleonard     In fact I haven't had any time for Koha lately, or for the near future :(
13:36 oleonard     tcohen: Unfortunately I haven't been able to work on the installer template work I started
13:35 * tcohen     is adding that to today's agenda
13:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , DBIx connection needs to be cached
13:34 magnuse      tcohen: Joubu thinks bug 13645 should make it's way into master (and 3.18.x) as soon as possible ;-)
13:34 magnuse      ¡hola tcohen y oleonard!
13:29 tcohen       hi oleonard
13:29 oleonard     Hi tcohen and #koha
13:27 tcohen       morning
12:50 cait         morning khall :)
12:49 khall        mornin cait!
12:44 * cait       waves
12:33 khall        lol, np!
12:33 ashimema     you've saved me a job ;)
12:32 ashimema     cheers khall..
12:29 khall        I saw the chatter from earlier and it piqued my interest
12:29 khall        np!
12:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , DBIx connection needs to be cached
12:29 magnuse      khall++ for pqa on bug 13645
11:43 akafred      Updated the gist with how I obtained those package lists.
11:39 Joubu        It could be good to have a benchmark tool to launch on different versions of Koha...
11:38 Joubu        so no apache upgrade (cc magnuse ^)
11:34 akafred      Joubu: Package lists pre/post 3.18-upgrade: https://gist.github.com/akafred/2ed43390a00bfcf7d14c
11:34 akafred      joubu: no hits on that grep
11:16 Joubu        akafred: `grep use_zebra_facets $KOHA_CONF` should tell you if it's enabled or not
11:05 akafred      We have Docker containers with the exact Koha installs we used, I think ...
10:56 akafred      I cannot find that we have specified use_zebra_facets at all ...
10:49 Joubu        s/did/do
10:49 Joubu        akafred: did you have use_zebra_facets set in your koha conf file?
10:49 akafred      Yep, there are issues. I'll try to find out what we changed ...
10:48 akafred      Nope. Those ar LibrioTech productino server stats, I think. My numbers are from our CI server.
10:48 Joubu        anyway, not important. We have speed issues on 3.18 too
10:47 Joubu        (the same as magnuse posted a loadtime graph)
10:46 Joubu        but... the speed issues appear on the same server or another one?
10:45 akafred      No, actually, we don't do things the same way :-)
10:45 Joubu        the the deb packages have been upgraded :)
10:45 Joubu        sorry, akafred, I forgot you were a magnuse coworker
10:44 akafred      (The tests are expressed in Norwegian Gherkin ... https://github.com/digibib/ls.ext/tree/3acd708877bddf6146ee1d1600f94c357b0f34cf/test/features)
10:42 akafred      I'll have a look ...
10:41 Joubu        akafred: Did you upgrade other debian packages too, or only Koha?
10:40 akafred      The tests navigate Koha, adds libraries, item types, patrons, books and removes them again. Simple stuff, little use of Zebra. I don't have detailed enough logs to pinpoint anything in particular, but it seems things generally are slower.
10:37 Joubu        akafred: Could you list the actions the test suite does?
10:33 akafred      Nope, not Koha's test suite. Koha is just one component. But we didn't change anything but the Koha compponent between these runs.
10:33 Joubu        or you don't know because you have launched the time diff on all the test suite
10:32 Joubu        I meant some tests are slower and others not, or all tests are slower.
10:32 Joubu        akafred: could you identify precisely some tests?
10:31 Joubu        or you are not talking about the test suite of Koha
10:31 magnuse      these are integration tests that opl have written
10:30 Joubu        yes but we increased the number of tests too :)
10:29 akafred      Not entirely scientific, but it seems a test suite we ran in 7-8 mins on Koha 3.16, took 10-11 mins after upgrading to 3.18.
10:14 magnuse      yeah, there is more than zebra going on here, i think
10:13 ashimema     though I think he's entirely concerned about zebra's speed
10:12 ashimema     that kinda syncs with that long thread the paul a has been chasing on list.
10:12 ashimema     those graphs are alarming magnuse..
10:09 ashimema     currently multi-tasking too much already.. got a phone going in each ear at the moment.
10:09 ashimema     yeah.. i'll grab him for a chat later..
10:09 magnuse      ashimema: maybe Joubu can bring you up to speed
10:08 ashimema     I'll try to take a look during lunch perhaps.. that's the earliest I can even attempt to..  but I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for there... it's not a bug i've been keeping track of
10:07 ashimema     I'm up to the gazoos at the minute..
09:42 magnuse      i tried applying the changes from 13645 on my test server, will see how that turns out
09:19 magnuse      who can/will qa it? ashimema? khall?
09:18 magnuse      Joubu: that will affect all of koha, not just acquisition, right?
09:07 Joubu        but it could be useful to have other feedbacks
09:06 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , DBIx connection needs to be cached
09:06 Joubu        magnuse: IMO bug 13645 should be pushed asap in 3.18
09:06 Joubu        magnuse: yes, you have to have the use_zebra_facets set to 1 to use zebra for facets
09:04 magnuse      unless the facets are so resource consuming, it leads to higher load and everything else slowing down
09:03 magnuse      and it should not affect things like checking out anyway
09:01 magnuse      i run off the packages, so <use_zebra_facets>1</use_zebra_facets> has not automatically been added to all the koha-conf.xml's - i guess that means the sites are not using zebra for the facets?
08:59 magnuse      yeah, i was thinking of the zebra facets
08:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13665 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow
08:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , DBIx connection needs to be cached
08:51 Joubu        you should follow bug 13645 and bug 13665
08:46 magnuse      not sure it will help here, though
08:46 magnuse      :-)
08:45 kivilahtio   it's way too cool to not use!
08:45 kivilahtio   magnuse: NYTProf
08:45 kivilahtio   check out the NYTProfiler from dokuwiki
08:43 magnuse      ok
08:43 libland      got no experience with earlier versions, but it runs slow in a general sense
08:42 libland      It runs slow, yes
08:42 libland      hmm apparently I got Koha version 3.19.00.006
08:42 magnuse      ah ok, and you think it is slow?
08:41 libland      No upgrade - installed Koha from scratch yesterday
08:40 gaetan_B     hello
08:39 magnuse      libland: you upgraded and got worse response times too?
08:38 magnuse      Joubu: well, test in the sense that it is running my "free koha" instances, not paying customers
08:38 libland      *blame - I still do
08:38 libland      Got the same experience here. Though I blamed it on my server hardware in combination with my lack of knowledge/experience with Koha.
08:38 Joubu        ha, so you have the same behavior on a test server?
08:38 kivilahtio   magnuse: I feel bad for you, if that help :(
08:37 magnuse      :-)
08:37 Joubu        but it's not a good idea in production :)
08:37 magnuse      then i noticed that my test and prod servers for koha got updated a few days apart, and the problem seemed to coincide with the upgrade of apache, but downgrading did not have an effect
08:37 Joubu        It would have been worth to checkout back the 3.16 branch and confirm it comes from Koha (or not)
08:36 magnuse      at first i suspected i missed some mysql tweaks after upgrading, but more tweaking did not have an effect
08:35 magnuse      something happened to the usage of mamcached too: http://div.libriotech.no/files/2015/memcached_bytes-month.png
08:34 Joubu        arf
08:34 magnuse      nope, this is my production server
08:34 Joubu        it's a test server, that's it?
08:33 Joubu        outch
08:33 magnuse      you can see when the upgrade happened here: http://div.libriotech.no/files/2015/http_loadtime-month.png
08:32 magnuse      3.16.7
08:31 Joubu        from which version did you upgrade?
08:30 magnuse      and load on the server has also been higher
08:30 magnuse      no, it seems to be everything
08:30 Joubu        not search or acq or a specific module?
08:30 Joubu        by "koha" you mean everything?
08:29 magnuse      Joubu: after i upgraded to 3.18.3 (and upgraded the other packages on the server at the same time), koha has been really slow
08:27 libland      hey fridolin
08:27 Joubu        magnuse: what's your perf issue?
08:26 fridolin     hie all
08:20 libland      it is. :)
08:19 magnuse      i just think "debian packages" is a bit more precise than "packages" :-)
08:18 magnuse      dcook: gah, downgrading apache did nothing for my performance
08:18 * libland    looks confused and amused
08:18 libland      hah
08:18 magnuse      nope :-)
08:18 libland      Eh, are there other packages than Debian?
08:16 magnuse      libland: and now you are installing koha? if so, i hope you are using the debian packages :-)
08:12 libland      Hey Joubu
08:12 Joubu        hello #koha
08:12 libland      ;)
08:11 libland      I was introduced to Koha one week ago - been on other assignments
08:11 magnuse      cool, he hangs out here some times, as Viktor
08:11 libland      Never met him - but sure heard of him, and read some interviews.
08:09 magnuse      libland: do you know Viktor Sarge? i tried to introduce you yesterday, but you were afk, i think
08:08 magnuse      dcook: i'll believe it when i see it ;-)
08:07 reiveune     hi libland, dcook magnuse rangi
08:07 * dcook      scampers off
08:07 dcook        Probably!
08:07 dcook        Really!
08:07 dcook        But I am now!
08:06 dcook        I didn't go home..
08:06 * dcook      lied to magnuse
08:06 dcook        salut reiveune
08:06 wahanui      i heard reiveune was working for biblibre
08:06 libland      Hey reiveune
08:05 reiveune     hello
08:04 magnuse      cool :-)
08:04 libland      Around -4 over here - crispy clear weather in the middle of the Baltic Sea
08:03 magnuse      libland: looks like we have the same temp, about +1C?
08:02 * magnuse    looks quizzically at huginn
08:01 huginn       magnuse: Error: timed out
08:01 magnuse      @wunder boo
08:01 libland      cold morning it is
08:01 magnuse      :-)
08:01 alex_a       bonjour
08:01 libland      Hallå där, magnuse
08:01 * libland    fnissar
07:59 magnuse      tjänare libland
07:56 libland      morning #koha
07:38 magnuse      yeah, guess it is that time of the day :-)
07:35 dcook        I should really go home though..
07:35 dcook        magnuse: I'm rather curious to hear how you go!
07:30 magnuse      looks like i managed to downgrade on the test server now - will have to wait a bit to see how that plays out
07:24 dcook        :(
07:22 magnuse      based on timing of upgrades and deterioration of two different servers, it looks like apache is the most likely culprit
07:21 magnuse      after i upgraded to 3.18.3
07:21 magnuse      well, the speed of my koha servers is bothering me at the moment
07:16 cait         bbl
07:16 cait         magnuse: no but it sounds scary
07:15 dcook        How's it going, magnuse?
07:15 * magnuse    waves back
07:13 dcook        But *waves*
07:13 dcook        I don't have anything relevant to add to that question :)
07:08 magnuse      anyone else seeing speed problems after upgrading to apache2:amd64 2.2.22-13+deb7u4?
06:41 * magnuse    didn't mean to scare bag off
06:40 magnuse      :-)
06:35 bag          magnuse++
06:35 bag          thanks for the reminder magnuse I shall head to bed
06:35 bag          nah
06:34 magnuse      bag: starting to adjust to cet?
06:33 * magnuse    waves to the rest of #koha too
06:33 bag          magnuse: HI
06:33 magnuse      bag: HI
06:22 cait         hi bag
06:19 bag          morning cait
02:22 dcook        :D
02:22 eythian      important, yes :)
02:21 dcook        Well, maybe it's not subtle. Just important.
02:21 dcook        Also love the subtle difference between exists and defined
02:15 dcook        And you forget that you actually purposely deleted that key for an earlier test... *facepalm*
02:14 dcook        Gotta love that moment when you think to yourself "But... but... that hash key is supposed to exist!"
01:23 rangi        that is
01:21 eythian      http://blogs.perl.org/users/ovid/2015/02/a-little-thing-to-love-about-perl-6-and-cobol.html <-- oh, that's actually really cool
00:47 dcook        O_O
00:41 * eythian    <- pizza