Time Nick Message 00:00 dcook cait: I'm thinking you might want to re-install your dev koha 00:00 cait itis there 00:00 cait yeah 00:00 dcook Or "upgrade" 00:00 cait but that does not explain why cindy's installation si broken 00:00 dcook No, that's true 00:00 cait i will do that tomorrow night 00:00 dcook But that might be totally different 00:00 cait too late here 00:00 dcook Yeah, I hope I helped a bit in any case :) 00:01 cait thx for taking the time 00:01 dcook As for cindy, I don't know enough about the Koha code 00:01 dcook I know Zebra reasonably well I think though 00:01 dcook Anything for you, cait ;) 00:02 cait hi Francesca - night all :) 00:02 cait dcook++ 00:02 * Francesca waves 00:03 Francesca hello! 00:03 dcook yo Francesca 00:04 rangi hi Francesca 00:05 Francesca I got github set up yesterday, and have uploaded my ssh key, so will just clone in 00:05 rangi sweet 00:06 Francesca and I'm going to try running it off xammp on my usb to check changes are working 00:06 rangi cool :) worth a try :) 00:07 Francesca I clone off my branch right? not the one I forked from orignally 00:12 rangi exactly 00:14 Francesca sweet 00:14 Francesca cloning now 00:17 Francesca hey rangi you don't know what file I'd be looking for do you? 00:20 rangi hmm? for? 00:22 Francesca the webpage I'm gonna do some styling on? the hea-app one? 00:22 rangi ahh probably need to see if you can get it up and running first 00:23 rangi but they will all be in the views dir 00:23 Francesca ok 00:23 Francesca I'll copy it to my usb now 00:28 Francesca I don't know if it'll work since I actually have no idea how to set it up 00:30 rangi its an app not a set of pages, so hmm yeah might be tricky to run under XAMPP 00:33 Francesca yeah... just found that out 00:33 rangi maybe you could try http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ 00:34 rangi which i think you cloned already? 00:34 Francesca yeah I've got that 00:34 rangi maybe add some links across the top 00:34 rangi to the main koha site, and the dashboard etc 00:35 Francesca shame about the hea=app page. I was going to update the colour scheme to match the other pages, and add the favicon 00:35 Francesca yup I can do that 00:35 rangi yeah, would need it running, maybe later when we have a virtual machine or something 00:37 Francesca I'll come back to it when I get set up with a vm again 00:38 rangi sweet 00:40 Francesca I can run the scoreboard via xammp so I can test before you make any changes 00:42 rangi cool 00:43 dcook Good catch Colin Campbell... http://lists.indexdata.dk/pipermail/zebralist/2013-August/002576.html 00:58 Francesca hmmm xampp doesn't seem to acknowledge my changes... 00:58 rangi once you edit the .tt file 00:58 rangi you need to run 00:58 rangi create_score.pl 00:58 Francesca ah 00:58 rangi to regenerate the index.html 00:58 Francesca ok 00:58 rangi then it will show up 00:58 Francesca do I run create-score.pl in the browser? 00:59 rangi hmm you can't 00:59 Francesca so how do I run it? 01:00 rangi not sure how you can on windows 01:00 rangi however 01:00 rangi you can make the changes to index.html 01:00 rangi to check how it looks 01:00 rangi then make them to index.tt and commit that 01:00 rangi if that makes sense? 01:01 Francesca I think so... I'll try it and see shall I? 01:01 rangi yep 01:02 Francesca ok that works 01:03 rangi awesome 01:18 Francesca Soo the css is doing some pretty wacky things, but I should hopefully be able to fix it 01:19 Francesca anyways I have to go now, but I will most likely push some changes up tomorrow or the day after, when I've had a chance to try and fix all the weird things that are happening right now 01:23 rangi sweet 01:24 rangi i get an email when you do a merge request so ill spot it 01:25 Francesca see you later! 01:26 rangi cya 01:33 eythian @wunder nzwn 01:33 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 25.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on February 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). 01:33 eythian crikey 01:40 dcook @syd 01:40 huginn dcook: I've exhausted my database of quotes 01:40 dcook @wunder syd 01:40 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 22.0°C (12:00 PM AEDT on February 03, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 01:40 dcook Hmm, getting closer 02:21 dcook Man ICU is a pain.. 02:21 dcook It really does look like hyphens truncate the rest of the search string 02:22 dcook Except when preceded by a number as per words-icu.xml 02:23 dcook which turns it into "" 02:23 dcook well, nothing 02:23 dcook So "99-22" will return "9922" 02:27 eythian erk 02:28 dcook And GRS1 is a pain in the butt... 02:29 eythian there's been talk of deprecating it 02:29 eythian err 02:29 eythian removing 02:29 eythian it 02:29 dcook yeah, it's an old install that can't be upgraded due to language issues :( 02:29 eythian ah 02:29 dcook Arabic support isn't so great these days... 02:29 dcook At least not last time I looked 02:29 dcook I knew I should've studied Arabic back in uni... :p 02:31 dcook On the plus side, I've definitely determined that GRS1 (at least in 3.8) uses koha-conf.xml and not retrieval-info-bib-grs1.xml for its configuration.. 02:31 dcook Let's see how crafty I can get.. 02:36 dcook Bleargh.. 02:36 dcook Huzzah 02:36 dcook Finally... 02:41 dcook Hmm, zebra::index is actually not that useful of an element set really.. 02:50 dcook Oh... "zebra::snippet" is kind of cool 02:50 dcook It returns the fields where your search marches 02:54 dcook Hmm, so it looks like ICU uses a hyphen as a truncation marker of some kind.. 03:16 dcook Hmm... 03:16 dcook Looks like Colin might have been wrong 03:18 dcook Mmm, the hyphen just splits the terms 03:18 dcook I've been told that Solr does the same thing 03:21 eythian in what way? 03:21 dcook Z> find @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 "traumatologie-UPA" 03:21 dcook Sent searchRequest. 03:21 dcook Received SearchResponse. 03:21 dcook Search was a success. 03:21 dcook Number of hits: 12, setno 22 03:21 dcook SearchResult-1: term=traumatologie cnt=13, term=UPA cnt=12265 03:21 dcook records returned: 0 03:22 eythian ah 03:22 eythian do you have to quote it maybe? 03:23 dcook Quote which? 03:23 dcook the weird thing is that is doing a word list search 03:23 dcook Which means it should be ANDing the terms... 03:23 eythian oh 03:23 eythian it is quoted 03:23 * eythian is having a blind day 03:23 dcook But it's not. It's just returning the records that match "traumatologie" 03:24 dcook Ahh or does it... maybe I'm silly.. 03:24 dcook No wait, it is doing an AND 03:25 dcook So traumatologie-UPA is just a search string 03:25 dcook UPA-12345 is a barcode 03:25 dcook But apparently it's stored as "UPA 12345" 03:25 dcook Or rather.. 03:25 eythian does @attr 5=100 make a difference? 03:25 dcook "<s>UPA</s>12345" 03:26 dcook Not when I tried it in Koha 03:26 dcook But it's not actually doing truncation really 03:26 eythian yeah, I guess it's tokenising 03:26 dcook Mmm, righ 03:26 dcook t 03:26 eythian if it tokenises the data the same way, then it's probably sensible 03:27 dcook Hmm 03:28 dcook Well, a non-ICU install seems to tokenise as well 03:28 dcook At least when searching 03:28 dcook I don't know about storing/indexing 03:28 dcook I suppose I can test that.. 03:39 dcook Interesting... 03:39 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 03:39 dcook Z> f @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=1 "self-confidence" 03:39 dcook Sent searchRequest. 03:39 dcook Received SearchResponse. 03:39 dcook Search was a success. 03:39 dcook Number of hits: 3, setno 9 03:39 dcook SearchResult-1: term=self cnt=578, term=confidence cnt=41 03:40 dcook So it tokenises... runs two separate sub-queries.. 03:40 dcook then uses 4=1 when merging the results to know only to return "self-confidence" results 03:40 dcook which include the hyphen 03:45 dcook Dunno. Too many variables... 03:45 dcook I suppose it could be a GRS1+ICU thing or just an ICU thing.. 03:47 dcook The <s></s> thing seems to be unrelated.. 03:47 dcook Or does it.. 03:48 dcook Nope. The <s></s> thing is just weird.. 03:56 wizzyrea tl;dr 03:56 wizzyrea tl;dr? 03:56 wahanui http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dcln.gif 03:57 dcook wizzyrea: pretty much :p 03:57 dcook wth... 03:57 dcook All the problems I was describing... 03:57 dcook Magically not happening now 03:58 dcook That's... different 03:59 dcook I think the only difference is that I went to the loo 04:32 dcook Maybe I'm crazy... and I was testing on the bad site the whole time... but I would've sworn that I wasn't 04:34 dcook I'm wondering if this is a Zebra bug.. 05:34 AmitG hi 05:34 wahanui what's up, AmitG 05:34 AmitG all 05:34 AmitG chris around? 06:02 dcook Interesting that cait was using Zebra 2.0.59 and wizzyrea was using 2.0.4... 06:02 dcook 2.0.44* 06:02 dcook It looks like 2.0.44 is the newest the Debian packages get... 06:03 dcook Although 2.0.44 is from about 2010, I think 06:03 dcook At least 2.0.44 is the newest in Debian 7 and Ubuntu 14.04... 06:03 dcook @later tell cait how did you install Zebra? It looks like the Debian/Ubuntu packages are stuck bacck at 2.0.44, but you're using 2.0.59... which is the newest version, I tihnk 06:03 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 06:04 dcook Yep, definitely the newest version... http://ftp.indexdata.dk/pub/zebra/ 06:11 dcook Aha! 06:11 dcook The bad server was using the Squeeze package from Indexdata... 07:16 cait eythian++ 07:27 * magnuse waves 07:27 * cait waves back 07:27 magnuse :-) 07:28 magnuse one month and we are hackfesting like mad! 07:31 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 2.1°C (8:31 AM CET on February 03, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.49 in 999 hPa (Falling). 07:44 reiveune hello 07:58 alex_a bonjour 08:08 magnuse bonjour france et Viktor 08:08 magnuse Viktor: ready to sign up for the hackfest yet? 08:11 Viktor Bonjour Magnuse! Not quite got everything sorted. But still looking promising. 08:11 magnuse woohoo :-) 08:12 Viktor And I know Sthlm university is going. 08:13 Viktor Would be nice to meet you, Oslo, Vara and Sthlm at the same time. 08:13 magnuse vara? 08:14 magnuse we could have a nordic mini-meetup :-) 08:14 magnuse ah vara = kivilahtio 08:20 kivilahtio magnuse: you mean in Marseilles? 08:20 kivilahtio magnuse: I need to go buy some spare parts for my bike. The pedaling crank broke :( 08:21 kivilahtio magnuse: We have been planning to visit Oslo last month :) but apparently there hasn't been that much momentum to make it happen on a national level (as it was supposed to happen) 08:21 kivilahtio magnuse: my gut feeling is that we cannot make the trip to Oslo with the representatives of the national library and central library. 08:22 kivilahtio magnuse: but I can represent Finland to the best of my abilities in the hacfest pre/post-conference 08:22 kivilahtio magnuse: I'll be back in an hour or so 08:39 gaetan_B hello 08:54 magnuse kivilahtio: i was just thinking we could all go sit in a corner at some time during the hackfest and talk amongst ourselves in langauges the others won't understand ;-) 09:13 magnuse moin drojf 09:14 drojf hei magnuse 09:14 drojf and hi #koha 09:15 magnuse ashimema: just curious: how far have you gotten with pianohacker's rest api code? 09:24 kivilahtio magnuse: I can't understand your languages. I can just sit happily 09:56 tsp_ how to get authority records for publishers 09:56 tsp_ is it possible to get publishers authority data 09:56 tsp_ so that one can avoid typing it repeatadly 10:02 cait hi #koha 11:16 cait Joubu++ 11:22 reiveune1 !ping 12:47 Joubu stupid timezone 12:50 cait Joubu: true 12:52 oleonard Hi #koha 12:53 Joubu hi oleonard! 12:54 oleonard Is there any reason for Bug 13651 to be "verified wishlist" instead of "new?" 12:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13651 enhancement, P3, ---, koha-bugs, VERIFIED WISHLIST, Provision for monthly library fee 12:54 cait hi oleonard 12:55 cait i think a misunderstnding on how we use bugzilla maybe 12:55 cait if you look at the help in bugzilla verified probably has some meaing of 'it's a real thing' 12:55 cait is my guess 13:29 tcohen morning 13:34 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 13:55 tcohen Joubu: i've been reading Jaceck's idea of caching the db connection 13:56 tcohen we need to make a decision on what handler to use 13:57 Joubu tcohen: on bug 13645? 13:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , DBIx connection needs to be cached 13:57 tcohen yes 13:58 tcohen the recent problems you found, are related to a bug that made DBIx:Class use the C4::Context->dbh handler 13:58 tcohen specifically, because older DBIx::Class does close the connexion without being asked 13:58 tcohen i think this caching could make things even worse 13:59 Joubu tcohen: because the connexion wasn't cached 13:59 Joubu it's what my patch does 13:59 Joubu ha 13:59 tcohen we need to discuss this on the dev meeting 13:59 tcohen for broader opinions 14:00 Joubu what could we do? 14:01 tcohen on that bug, a decision was made, to reuse C4::Context->dbh in DBIx::Class 14:01 tcohen it avoided the task to do it the other way around 14:02 tcohen (i.e. have DBIC set the connection, with its probable own caching tools) 14:02 tcohen i have no clear ideas on the best way to do it 14:02 tcohen but am convinced we need to find a sound way of doing this 14:03 Joubu why do you think the patch will make things worse? 14:06 lds hello 14:06 lds paul_p: hello 14:06 paul_p tcohen => lds is here 14:07 lds tcohen: hello 14:07 tcohen heh 14:07 tcohen thanks paul_p 14:07 tcohen lds: hi 14:07 tcohen we need to make a DNS change 14:08 tcohen pointing es.koha-community.org -> 200.16.16.139 14:08 lds tcohen: ok 14:08 tcohen thanks! 14:09 tcohen bgkriegel is trying to put the pieces together to have the PDF manual built 14:12 lds tcohen: but biblibre do not manage koha-community.org DNS ZONE 14:13 Joubu tcohen: I think it's Chris 14:13 lds tcohen: may be chris 14:19 tcohen hmpf 14:19 tcohen I thought you did! 14:20 tcohen @later tell rangi please do this DNS change es.koha-community.org -> 200.16.16.139 14:20 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 14:21 tcohen lds, paul_p thanks anyway! 14:48 Joubu khall: Is there a reason circ/offline.pl needs the perm circulate_remaining_permissions but tools/upload-file.pl needs tools => * ? 14:49 Joubu it means that a librarian cannot upload the .koc files generated offline 14:49 khall Joubu: sounds like a bug to me 14:51 Joubu khall: actually the upload script could be used for something else, but it's not 14:51 Joubu should we move it into the circ dir? 14:52 Joubu I am not sure how to fix that correctly 14:52 khall Joubu: not sure. Maybe we should just change the permissions, and document why. That way if another use for it comes along it can be checked for other permissiosn 14:53 Joubu khall: yep it makes sense, thanks 14:53 khall np! 15:10 Joubu khall: do you have ByWater's customers on Koha 3.18 with use_zebra_facets enabled? 15:49 bag Joubu: no partners on 3.18 currently 15:50 Joubu bag: ok thanks! 16:06 tcohen khall: was my answer tl;dr? 16:06 khall tcohen: nope, you just beat me to the send button ; ) 16:07 tcohen heh 16:07 tcohen Joubu: reminded me of a "TODO" I put on hte zebra facets code :/ 16:07 tcohen that might be an important one regarding speed 16:18 fridolin bye 16:46 ashimema_ anyone here using crosref for anything? 16:46 ashimema_ crossref.. even 16:47 ashimema_ hmm.. seems it's pretty uk.. broadening the question.. anyone got any recommendations on OAI harvesting 17:18 cait tcohen: still around? 17:23 tcohen cait: apt-cache policy idzebra-2.0 ? 17:24 cait sec - but i think the same as cindy's we checked last night 17:24 tcohen i just want to know where are you picking it from 17:24 cait 2.0.59-1.indexdata 17:24 cait indexdata 17:24 cait i think a leftover from when i was testing pazpar2 with pianohacker 17:24 cait it required newer versions, so we added the repo 17:25 tcohen so, you don't use Ubuntu's/Debian's but indexdata's 17:26 cait looks like it 17:26 wahanui Can we get some hard data on that? 17:26 cait we just did wahanui! 17:28 tcohen can u copy your repo configuration? 17:28 cait sources thing? 17:29 cait tcohen: where? 17:30 tcohen yes, the source 17:30 wahanui i think the source is good. 17:32 gaetan_B bye 17:38 tcohen cait: I cannot install the newest idzebra from the repo 17:39 tcohen did you run into any dependency issues fr that? 17:39 cait not that i remember 17:39 cait it's probably been set up like that formnths now 17:39 cait but on other bad news... since we tried fixing things last night my search now is totall ybrooken in opac :( 17:40 cait i just reran Makefile.PL from scratch and deleted koha-dev before i did... but still broken 17:40 tcohen cait: just rm -rf ~/koha-dev ; perl Makefile.PL 17:40 cait *sigh* 17:40 cait oh and reindexed 17:40 cait of course 17:40 cait yep i did that 17:40 cait no luck 17:43 tcohen cait, i cannot even install that zebra version on 14.04 17:43 tcohen (dependency issues) 17:44 cait werid 17:44 tcohen we should warn people so they use the distro-provided zebra package 17:44 cait but cindy got it too 17:44 cait can i try to switch back? 17:44 tcohen cindy, somehow, has the same idzebra version 17:45 tcohen her logs say "...[log] zebra_start 2.0.59..." 17:45 cait she probably added the indexdata repo too 17:45 cait at some point 17:46 cait trying to fix mine now 17:47 cait hm i still get ... trying to install 2.0.59 17:47 cait and i deactivated the indexdata repositories 17:48 tcohen grep -R indexdata /etc/apt/* 17:48 tcohen s/(.*)/sudo $1/ 17:49 cait hmmm still there 17:49 cait but i removed them using the gui 17:49 cait strange 17:49 cait can i just delete them? 17:49 tcohen you could comment it 17:49 tcohen can you paste the line? 17:49 tcohen so I try myself? 17:55 cait sorry, got distracted 17:55 cait it's several lines 17:56 tcohen i'm missing something 17:56 tcohen I have 17:56 tcohen deb http://ftp.indexdata.dk/debian/ wheezy main 18:04 tcohen cait? 18:04 wahanui cait is from germany. Ask me about germany. 18:04 cait sorry paste coming up 18:05 tcohen @later tell Joubu I think I found the speed problem in the facets 18:05 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 18:07 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/395 18:09 tcohen cait: that looks like you have it commented our 18:09 tcohen out 18:10 cait yeah but I did sudo apt-get remove idzebra-2.0 18:10 cait and now sudo apt-get install idzebra-2.0 18:10 cait and i complains about wanting to install the new version and missing dependencies 18:11 tcohen so it doesn't install right now for you, just as with my setup 18:11 tcohen I'm not alone :-P 18:11 rsz my vanilla koha installation is _very_ slow, when accessed over the web, where can I start tuning? 18:11 mtj cait, you did apt-get update too? 18:12 cait yes 18:12 mtj ok, just checking 18:12 tcohen rsz: how slow? doing what task? 18:13 rsz tcohen: any link clicked, takes atleast 15 seconds to respond... 18:13 mtj rsz: yr koha is much faster on the LAN? 18:14 rsz for example I was setting up the first library via db admin login, every page takes atleast 15-20 seconds to show up... 18:14 rsz the setup is done on cloud as of now for evaluation.. 18:15 rsz one web server machine and db server seperate machine.. 18:16 rsz I had done the setup of the db on the same machine, I thought that was the cause of slowness, but even after moving the db to a seperate machine, the page loads are still the same!! so most probably some tuning needs to be done that I am not aware of... 18:16 mtj rsz, i would use top and apache logs myself 18:17 rsz ok.. I will start there thanks :-) 18:18 tcohen rsz: also try iotop 18:18 tcohen there might be too much iowait there 18:18 rsz ok.. 18:19 mtj 'apachectl status' is good too 18:20 mtj hey rsz, what koha version? 18:21 tcohen cait: it is sad that i cannot reproduce to aid debugging 18:21 cait yeah and also that i don't know more about how this all works *sigh* 18:33 cait hmpf 18:33 cait i have removed utils too 18:33 cait i can't even install koha-common rightnow :( 18:33 cait i have held back defect packages? 18:33 cait anyone? 18:33 wahanui Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? 18:34 tcohen you need to comment the indexdata's repo out 18:37 rangi yeah 18:39 tcohen hi rangi! 18:39 cait tcohen: thought it was? 18:40 rangi did you do an apt-get update? 18:40 tcohen it seemed 18:40 rangi tcohen: dns change made, not sure how long it will take to propogate 18:41 tcohen no worries 18:41 tcohen thanks 18:41 cait rangi: yes, but i will do it again 18:42 tcohen cait: sudo apt-get remove koha-deps ; sudo apt-get autoremove 18:42 tcohen just in case 18:42 cait i will do once the update is done, not seeing indexdata listed so far 18:43 cait removing things now 18:43 cait ah -doc and -common 18:44 tcohen hmpf, the amount of time needed to calculate the facets is linear with respect to the amount of facets to retrieve 18:45 tcohen so elem zebra::facet::au:0:100 takes 1.3s and elem zebra::facet::au:0:10 around 0.13s 18:45 * tcohen is trying to find the bottleneck 18:45 tcohen our default (20) is not a bad one 18:47 cait tcohen: looks like this is working 18:50 tcohen @later tell Joubu try FacetMaxCount = 10 with use_zebra_facets 18:50 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 19:02 tcohen later #koha 19:39 cait @later tell tcohen facets are working now again 19:39 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 19:43 tcohen hi there 19:44 cait tcohen: back to a working search :D 19:44 * tcohen read 19:44 tcohen exzcellent 19:45 tcohen now, we need to try setting the newest zebra, and finding what changed 19:45 tcohen heh 20:22 rangi back 20:23 cait wb rangi 20:32 tcohen hi rangi 20:50 wizzyrea tcohen++ for heroic tackling of zebras. 20:51 tcohen heh 20:51 tcohen you mean, unsuccessfully? :-P 20:51 tcohen we'll find out 20:51 wizzyrea wrestling, wrangling, lassoing, your choice. 20:51 tcohen domesticating? 20:51 wizzyrea whichever verb you choose, it will probably end up with a subdued zebra. 20:51 tcohen *does that exist? 20:52 wizzyrea more like, compliant. 20:52 wizzyrea maybe not domesticated 20:52 wizzyrea trained? 20:52 wizzyrea there we go. 20:52 tcohen it is the second time in my life that I read/listen to that word: subdued 20:52 tcohen :-D 20:52 wizzyrea hehe 20:53 tcohen the first one was in "The unforgiven" 20:53 tcohen "... and quickly he's subdued..." 20:54 wizzyrea I wonder which instructions people are following that they get their zebras from indexdata, instead of debian/ubuntu 20:54 wizzyrea it seems clear that the debian packages *don't* track indexdata closely. 21:01 tcohen we need to tackle problems with newer zebras before they hit Debian 21:12 eythian hi 21:12 cait hi eythian 21:13 eythian hello cait 21:16 cait hi eythian 21:19 magnuse tcohen: ooh, metallica! 21:20 tcohen \o/ 21:21 eythian cait: you just said that 21:21 cait right 21:21 eythian cait: are you a bot? You have to tell us if you are. 21:21 cait my head hurts tonight, side effects 21:21 magnuse \m/ 21:22 wizzyrea I meant people who were installing production servers 21:23 eythian wizzyrea: the debian packages are reasonably current for when they're released, but they won't get updated beyond that. Jessie has 2.0.59. 21:23 tcohen ohhhhhh 21:24 wizzyrea eythian++ for knowing all the things 21:24 rangi right, so we definitely need to find out the issue before jessie becomes the new stable 21:24 magnuse or switch to ES ;-) 21:24 eythian magnuse: getting there :) 21:26 magnuse excellent! 21:26 magnuse well, have fun #koha! 21:26 eythian bye magnuse 21:26 cait eythian: what if i was? 21:27 eythian *were 21:27 eythian and, then you'd have to tell us 21:27 cait why? 21:27 eythian it's the rules 21:28 cait which rules? 21:28 eythian all of them. 21:29 rangi http://librarykris.tumblr.com/post/109948517243/lol-post-all-hail-the-necromouser 21:30 wizzyrea lol that's adorable 21:30 * cait dislikes facets strongly right now 21:30 eythian you don't anna fix the display of facets in the ES code, do you? 21:30 rangi so do most users 21:31 rangi so you aren't alone 21:31 * jcamins likes facets. Anyone who uses the word non-ironically is immediately identified as a librarian. 21:31 jcamins Too many people can pronounce "shibboleth" in this day and age. 21:32 eythian jcamins: though, you can tell where they're from by how they pronounce it. 21:34 cait trying to figureout why a search returning 22 results would not show both itemtypes in the result set as facets 21:35 eythian is it only showing one? 21:35 eythian or showing zero? 21:36 cait oh it depends on the sorting option you choose :( 21:36 cait poor tcohen already got me complaining about it 21:36 cait or had to listen to me complaining about it... 21:36 cait tcohen++ 21:37 * tcohen hides 21:39 wnickc wizzyrea++ highfives, virtual or otherwise, are the best 21:40 wizzyrea highfive! 21:40 wahanui o/* HIGHFIVE *o 21:40 wizzyrea aw. 21:40 wizzyrea well close enough 21:40 wizzyrea :) 21:40 tcohen DisplayLibraryFacets 21:41 cait hm? 21:41 tcohen nothing, I didn't remember that syspref, sorry 21:55 eythian https://twitter.com/erowidrecruiter 21:56 eythian https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says <-- also funny 21:58 * wizzyrea blinks at some of those 21:58 wizzyrea that's funny in an "oh god, seriously, humanity?" kind of way. 21:59 wizzyrea however, the erowid ones are quite funny 21:59 wizzyrea reminds me of kim kirkekardashian. 21:59 eythian http://thedoomthatcametopuppet.tumblr.com/ <-- similar 22:01 JoeLib001 I am trying to get Catalog Search to work. I have a package install of koha and tried to reindex zebra and that didn't help any. 22:01 JoeLib001 Anyone have any ideas? It started doing this when I upgraded to Koha 3.18.3. XD 22:01 eythian what happens when you try? 22:02 wizzyrea https://twitter.com/KimKierkegaard 22:02 wizzyrea what version of zebra are you using? 22:03 wizzyrea zebraidx -V 22:05 JoeLib001 Hmm..., it seems like it re-indexes just fine, but the new item I entered doesn't show up. 22:05 JoeLib001 Zebra 2.0.44 22:06 JoeLib001 I just re-installed everything to see, if that would help too.... XD 22:06 JoeLib001 Has something changed in how records are hidden? 22:08 eythian What do you mean? Since when? Are you using hidden things? 22:08 JoeLib001 I can search for my Acquisitions Orders, but the OPAC and Z39.50 don't work. 22:08 eythian how are you running your reindex? 22:08 JoeLib001 sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v koha 22:09 eythian that should be pretty correct 22:09 eythian you are getting search results at all? 22:09 cait aas you asked about hidden - does it work when turning opacsuppression off? 22:09 cait and with that... i am going to bed :) night all! 22:10 JoeLib001 Nope, I'm getting no search results. 22:10 JoeLib001 I can pull the records up by their biblionumber though. 22:11 eythian right 22:11 eythian so "but the new item I entered doesn't show up" is not the whole truth? nothing at all shows up? 22:11 JoeLib001 It's actually setup as don't hide. 22:12 JoeLib001 I was able to search for old stuff until I re-installed everything. 22:12 JoeLib001 I can't search for any titles. 22:12 eythian OK, I think two things are being conflated here making it confusing. 22:12 eythian First step: make sure zebra is running 22:12 eythian sudo service koha-common restart 22:13 JoeLib001 ok 22:14 JoeLib001 'heh, that worked. XD 22:15 JoeLib001 Thanks, eythian. :-) Apparently I hadn't done that after I re-installed everything. XD 22:15 * eythian wishes again that Koha would say "zebra isn't running" rather than "no results" when that happens. 22:15 eythian it should start automatically, but there's situations I've not really figured out where it doesn't seem to. 22:15 JoeLib001 That would be helpful. ;-) 22:15 JoeLib001 gotcha. 22:19 mtj eythian: erowid link is genuis 22:27 mtj its fun to think of various combinations 22:36 eythian I really need to write a guide for migrating data from an old Koha to a new package-installed one. The instructions that people tend to cite are not the best. 22:36 dcook ^ 22:37 eythian http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/page/60452540/How%20to%20move%20your%20koha%20database%20to%20newly%20installed%20Koha <-- this one, for example, tells you to drop your database and then create it. All that does is get rid of the grants on the original that are done to make sure it works. 22:48 JoeLib001 Thanks again eythinan. :-) 22:48 eythian np 22:53 wizzyrea I think eythian has the highest question -> happy user ratio here. 22:54 * eythian starts providing wrong answers 22:54 wizzyrea lol. 23:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #67 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL FAILING) 23:17 BobB http://mrjohnclarke.com/tinkering/post/new-zealand-a-user-s-guide/ 23:17 BobB :) 23:38 tcohen @later tell cait seems to work here :-/ 23:38 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 23:38 tcohen @later tell cait things look... consistent 23:38 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 23:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #67: NOW UNSTABLE in 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/67/ 23:40 jenkins_koha Mason James: fix for 13331 [Bug 13331] Subfield does not show in cataloging editor - if subfield is disabled in OPAC/enabled in Staff, via frameworks 23:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13331 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Subfield does not show in cataloging editor - if subfield is disabled in OPAC/enabled in Staff, via frameworks 23:53 dcook Adventures in ICU + Zebra continue 23:53 tcohen dcook: Zebra 2.0.59? 23:53 dcook On the plus side, I'm learning all about Unicode Regular Expressions: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr18/#Categories 23:53 dcook Because you know... who doesn't want to learn about that 23:53 dcook tcohen: Yeah, I found the problem surfaces in 2.0.59, but I think it can be avoided via the icu-words.xml thing 23:54 tcohen which problem specifically? 23:54 dcook The truncation of words that contain hyphens 23:55 dcook I've noticed that ICU tries to tokenize, but it just keeps the start of the word 23:55 dcook And discards the hyphen and anything after it 23:55 tcohen that's called... right truncation? :-P 23:55 dcook I've noticed in non-ICU that it'll break a hyphenated word into separate terms 23:56 dcook yeah, but it shouldn't be truncating :p 23:56 tcohen ah 23:56 dcook It should be tokenizing 23:56 dcook And it's not really 23:56 dcook Or it's getting halfway through and deciding "nah" 23:56 tcohen heh 23:56 dcook But this isn't a problem for numbers because of this line: 23:56 dcook <transliterate rule="[:Number:] { '-' > '' "/> 23:56 tcohen i was revisiting zebra's source code, again 23:56 dcook Poor tcohen 23:56 * tcohen agrees 23:57 * dcook figures if we turn a "-" into a " ", all will probably be well... or about the same as in non-ICU at least 23:57 tcohen i want it not to abort if an elementSet doesn't exist in a multi-elementSet context 23:58 dcook multi-elementSet, you say? 23:58 dcook How does that work? 23:58 tcohen that's why we cannot retrieve all facets at once 23:58 tcohen like in 23:58 tcohen elem zebra::facet::itype:0:20,se:0:20,au:0:20 23:58 tcohen ;) 23:59 tcohen i aborted the idea once i figured zebra would return an error code ("elem doesn't exit") if some facet doesn't have any member