Time Nick Message 12:31 drojf is this page still valid? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switching_to_dom_indexing 12:32 drojf i wasn't sure so i did not pass it around on the mailing list 12:33 drojf we should have up to date information on that somewhere, there will be more people with the wrong zebra_*_index_mode 12:33 drojf and since gprs is deprecated and all… 12:38 drojf @later tell cait you mean like http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9248 ? ;) 12:38 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 12:38 huginn 04Bug 9248: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Failed QA , Add a German Zebra language definition file 14:11 drojf the message for zebra_bib_grs_warn on about.pl suggests that setting zebra_bib_index_mode to 'dom' is enough to switch to dom indexing. is that true these days? (given the mail on the list, i assume it is not, but it sounds like it is supposed to?) 14:34 jcamins drojf: not at all true, no. 18:48 cait hi #koha 18:49 cait @later tell drojf then we should fix it :) 18:49 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 18:49 drojf @later tell cait ok :) 18:49 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 18:49 cait oh hey :) 18:49 drojf hi 18:49 drojf that was fun :) 18:49 cait sorry, just got back from a weekend trip 18:50 drojf oh nice 18:51 cait we were at a chocolate christmas market... 18:59 rangi http://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences sweet aleisha fixed the scaling issue 19:00 rangi morning 19:01 drojf hi rangi 19:01 drojf cait: oh chocolate. what did you bring for us? :) 19:01 cait morning rangi 19:01 cait 2kg ritter sport surprise bag? :) 19:01 cait and one roses and one with rapsberry... i think 19:02 drojf sounds great :D 19:08 drojf i accidentally added >2mb translation stuff to a patch. that would have had a nice impact on my contributed lines ;) 19:09 cait heh 20:26 * wizzyrea gives a monday wave 20:45 wizzyrea ibeardslee: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/12/04/new-york-city-libraries-soon-will-let-patrons-check-out-the-internet/ 20:59 ibeardslee wizzyrea: ohhh 21:00 ibeardslee Good to see things like that happen 21:00 wizzyrea amazing eh 21:01 wizzyrea some libraries in kansas doing it too, I'm told. 21:02 wizzyrea It is also testing its model with state library systems in Kansas and Maine. < NEKLS, to be exact. 21:02 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 21:02 wizzyrea forget it 21:02 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot it 21:02 ibeardslee NZ should be able to do something like that in all libraries 21:03 ibeardslee we have a UFB network going through the country, we should be able to have a solid backbone that have ISPs peered 21:03 wizzyrea exactly 21:03 wizzyrea rural areas are a bit hard 21:03 wizzyrea some places that still have line of sight phone 21:04 wizzyrea though getting better maybe. 21:04 ibeardslee not that hard, .. although depends how you do it. if you can get network to a community centre and encourage people to use that, it is a start 21:04 wizzyrea *nod* 21:05 ibeardslee sigh .. for a big lotto win 21:05 wizzyrea yeah, or less douchey politicians 21:06 ibeardslee yep .. paying for carbon credits so we can increase emmisions seems to be more important 21:06 wizzyrea so dumb, I know we can do better at carbon emissions. 21:08 ibeardslee unfortunately a big lotto win is more likely than less douchey politicians 21:09 * ibeardslee is too young to be so cynical 21:10 wizzyrea it's part of the plan to make good people feel hopeless. 21:10 wizzyrea so they won't object. 21:15 ibeardslee that and subsidising reality TV 21:24 eythian hi 21:24 wahanui niihau, eythian 21:34 jcamins wizzyrea: unfortunately, the libraries still aren't at times when people might want to go in to check out the access points. 21:34 wizzyrea aren't what? open? 21:34 eythian yeah, that sentence no verb. 21:35 jcamins Heh. 21:35 jcamins Yeah, open. 21:35 wizzyrea :( that sucks 22:13 * magnuse waves at all the cool people then promptly falls asleep 22:18 ibeardslee still need to find a way to bootstrap things like that .. do you still need to go irl to join a library? 22:19 dcook ibeardslee, depends on the library, I suppose? 22:19 dcook If it's a public library, you almost always need to show some proof of residence 22:20 ibeardslee yeah true. But I suppose once that has happened then, online checkout/delivery of books/access points are possible although, I imagine, costly. 22:21 dcook Hmm, good question 22:21 ibeardslee .. feel free to tweak punctuation 22:21 dcook hehe 22:21 dcook I've heard stories about "libraries" that are essentially just post boxes 22:21 dcook But I suppose that's still shipping to a "central" location 22:21 dcook Not to the users 22:21 dcook online checkout would be rad 22:22 dcook Very rad in fact 22:22 dcook Damn it, why don't libraries do that... 22:22 dcook :p 22:22 ibeardslee yeah .. I had a discussion a while back with wizzyrea about how the library access is a tablet of some sort. 22:22 ibeardslee electronic delivery of books 22:23 ibeardslee and other research, information access 22:23 wizzyrea curated things 22:23 ibeardslee yes 22:23 dcook I'm not sure I understand? 22:23 dcook Wait.. 22:23 dcook "I'm not sure I understand."* 22:24 * dcook is always confused when people put question marks instead of full stops. 22:24 eythian dcook: hello! 22:24 ibeardslee instead of a library card, people get a tablet that gives access to the library's resources 22:25 eythian what is this, star trek? 22:25 dcook heya, eythian :) 22:25 dcook ibeardslee: I'm also thinking star trek 22:26 dcook Sounds interesting. I wish I were more connected with my local library 22:26 dcook In the past, it was too far to walk from my house 22:26 dcook Now it's close enough to walk to, but it's a bit past my house... so I never go that far after work :p 22:27 eythian http://paste.koha-community.org/306 <-- related story about checking out the internet 22:27 ibeardslee walk home a different way 22:28 eythian http://youtu.be/9ZlBUglE6Hc <-- here's a guide 22:31 wizzyrea yeah, libraries think they need complicated software to manage computers 22:32 wizzyrea but what they really need, and what I always advocated for, was exactly what he described there. 22:32 wizzyrea a barcode, associated with a computer, with hourly loans and fines. 22:33 ibeardslee scan your card to 'login' and that kicks you off after your time. 22:33 wizzyrea even that's too complicated. 22:35 eythian ibeardslee: 22:35 eythian <neale> ha, nice 22:35 eythian <neale> SpaceHobo, what you don't understand is that we must apply technology to everything. 22:35 eythian <SpaceHobo> haha yeah 22:35 eythian <neale> It is a moral imperative 22:35 eythian <neale> cf: voting 22:35 eythian (those are the bits immediately after the paste) 22:35 wizzyrea yeah, it's always been a peeve of mine when people try to solve people problems with an overuse of technology. 22:36 wizzyrea often you don't have a technical problem - you have a people problem that seems like you might have to be confrontational so you seek a technical solution to that. 22:36 wizzyrea "I can't do anything about it, the computer says your time is up" 22:36 ibeardslee if I don't have to deal with people that's a win ;) 22:37 wizzyrea haha. 22:37 ibeardslee .. or maybe if people don't have to deal with me .. 22:37 dcook hehe 22:38 * wizzyrea is torn on being nice or being snarktastic 22:38 eythian https://twitter.com/hypatiadotca/status/541070697716412417 22:38 dcook It's a tough one. If you're only able to go to the library that day to print off your resume, and everyone else is hogging the computers (even if they are getting fines), that doesn't really help the person who needs to print off their resume :/ 22:39 wizzyrea yeah, this is why libraries have staff. :P 22:39 rangi i should get to see those in person tomorrow :) 22:39 wizzyrea i want some of those beads for soren. 22:39 dcook Those are rad 22:39 dcook I need some of those beads :p 22:40 eythian I'll see if they have extras 22:40 eythian it's possible they're only giving them out to people from overseas though 22:40 wizzyrea if they don't, at least find out where they got them ;) 22:40 eythian locals should know that sun == death 22:40 wizzyrea please and thank you 22:41 wizzyrea besides "the internet" though that's a valid answer - I just want to know if they walked into a shop and bought them. 22:41 wizzyrea or ordered them online. 22:45 dcook Oh man... the sun in Greece was awesome 22:45 dcook You could be in the sun all the time and not burn 22:46 dcook It was weird 22:46 dcook But awesome 22:48 eythian yeah, I found that in Europe too. 22:48 eythian spend all day walking in the sun and might be a little red at the end of it 23:09 dcook Yep. It's pretty great. Now that summer is here/approaching, I need to remember that I can't go outside for 5 minutes without sunscreen. 23:30 dcook @later tell tcohen back! I missed you too :) 23:30 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.