Time Nick Message 23:50 dcook Only made sense once I read it outloud :p 23:49 dcook Nope. Left hand side. Right hand side. 23:49 dcook I figure they're "hospital services" of some kind 23:49 dcook I'm looking at this email and totally confused by "LHS" and "RHS" 23:49 dcook lol... 23:12 eythian ? 23:08 tcohen mbeaulieu? 23:08 eythian it's needed for the qa tools 23:08 wahanui ah is ? 23:08 tcohen ah? 23:07 eythian btw I'm putting libtest-perl-critic-progressive-perl because that's where it should be 23:07 eythian hi 23:01 tcohen hi there 22:14 dcook morning 22:06 cait bye all :) 22:06 cait found enough bugs for one night 21:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13332 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Items disappear from staff detail page when there is an on-site checkout 21:40 cait bug 13332 21:40 cait thx for helping test :) 21:39 cait will have to leave that to more awake people tomorrow 21:39 cait dunno, maybe it#s an easy fix even 21:36 wizzyrea perhaps easiest to revert that for now 21:36 cait maybe it can help track it down 21:36 cait it happens, filing a bug, will set a link to the other bug 21:35 wizzyrea can def call in papa for that one :) 21:35 wizzyrea yes, it must be because it doesn't cope with onsite. 21:35 cait removing the patch above fixes it for me - i think something was missed, the patch is old, onsite is new... boom 21:34 cait *sigh* filing another blocker bug 21:34 wizzyrea no items when onsite is on 21:34 cait i think a side effect 21:33 wizzyrea no I didn't save it it's definitely to do with onsite. 21:33 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=421761e2743ab260092a5234b7b8b1c33c64107f 21:33 wizzyrea oh oh 21:33 cait it works for me, but only if i remove the patch 21:33 cait hmmm 21:33 wizzyrea still ok 21:33 cait you can turn on both, but the normal one should be enough 21:33 wizzyrea just the one or both? 21:32 cait could you try an on-site checkout? there is a onsite pref to turn on 21:32 cait they show up when i check them in again 21:32 cait mine def disappear 21:32 cait maybe it's related to the local use 21:32 wizzyrea I see the items there 21:31 wizzyrea sec 21:31 cait please 21:30 cait check it out and then check the detail page 21:30 cait wizzyrea: try an item checked out 21:30 cait hm it's the patch from srdjan 21:30 wizzyrea not related: I like how we did this syspref: OpacAdvSearchMoreOptions 21:27 wizzyrea I"m looking hang on 21:27 cait wizzyrea: which setting? 21:27 wizzyrea hm mine are there. 21:26 cait where there shoudl be an item? 21:26 cait could you check on your master install? a staff detail page? 21:26 wizzyrea all of them! 21:26 cait wizzyrea: it looks like all my items disappeared 21:26 wizzyrea showing them in the staff client. 21:26 wizzyrea there is a setting for withdrawn items 21:24 cait [Mon Nov 24 22:22:36.686597 2014] [cgi:error] [pid 24868] [client 127.0.0.1:41651] AH01215: [Mon Nov 24 22:22:36 2014] detail.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Not unique table/alias: 'issues' at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Items.pm line 1332., referer: http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl?borrowernumber=1 21:23 eythian but I think that it should only ever not show up in staff if it's not there. 21:23 eythian but maybe 21:23 eythian I don't know, I shouldn't think so. 21:23 cait in staff? 21:23 cait should that make a difference? 21:23 cait he item is withdrawn... 21:22 cait it#s quite scary 21:22 cait me neither 21:22 eythian cait: I don't remember any situation where that should happen 21:21 cait so why... would the detai page claim no physical records? in staff? 21:21 cait the items table also agrees that the item is on the record 21:21 cait ok 21:21 eythian hi 21:20 kathryn hallo cait :) 21:20 cait whom to believe? 21:20 cait and the account claims it's a normal checkout 21:20 cait ok... so the record claims to not have physical items 21:19 cait but the title and all shows 21:19 cait how??? 21:19 cait i have an item on my account... that is not on the record 21:19 cait gah 21:16 cait hi kathryn :) 21:11 mtj http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/logs.html#piped 21:11 mtj aah, i do see a 'piped logs' example for 2.2 - that would actually work pretty ok :) 21:06 mtj anyhoo, its great to hear its finally fkn fixed in 2.4 21:04 mtj hey, this has been a bugbear of mine for years 21:03 * mtj winces 21:02 mtj that perhaps? ^ 21:01 mtj http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/mod/mod_log_debug.html 21:01 mtj ahh... 21:01 mtj http://serverfault.com/questions/267036/is-it-possible-to-create-custom-error-log-in-apache-2 21:01 mtj hum really?!, the webs say its a no-go 20:59 wizzyrea I've used it... 20:59 wizzyrea there's something similar for the older version though 20:59 mtj looks like its time to bump my box to apache2.4 :0) 20:49 mtj no 'ErrorLogFormat' directive until 2.4 20:46 mtj ive sort of just clicked on still on debian/apache 2.2, not 2.4 20:28 cait yes exactly 20:27 wizzyrea O.o. 20:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13330 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , All overdue items with fines returned via checkouts table will have fines forgiven! 20:27 cait bug 13330 20:27 cait hm need a sign off of for 13330 please 20:27 wizzyrea then you don't have to change the default ones. 20:26 wizzyrea then make a CustomLog that uses that 20:26 wizzyrea but basically, what I'd do, is set up a logformat with just the things you want, give it a nickname 20:23 mtj well.. it was one of the many tabs i was reading thru... 20:23 wizzyrea :D 20:23 mtj fwiw, i'm already on that page :) 20:22 mtj ooh, i can almost taste the victory... 20:22 wizzyrea https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/logs.html might help (note, that's not really a "rtfm," it just looks like one - that's what I used the last time I was thinking about the contents of logs. 20:20 wizzyrea you can specify your own logformat as well 20:20 wizzyrea and if it's not there, it's probably in the apache config 20:20 mtj awesome :) 20:20 wizzyrea a directive like "logformat" 20:19 wizzyrea files 20:19 wizzyrea I'm sure the logfile definitions are in /etc/koha somewhere, in one of the shared 20:19 mtj ..all the stuff that is not 'XXXXX' ^ 20:19 mtj [Tue Nov 25 09:04:19 2014] [error] [client 192.168.10.107] XXXXX referer: http://master.xen1.kohaaloha.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?frameworkcode= 20:19 mtj [Tue Nov 25 09:04:19 2014] [error] [client 192.168.10.107] XXXXX referer: http://master.xen1.kohaaloha.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?frameworkcode= 20:19 mtj [Tue Nov 25 09:04:19 2014] [error] [client 192.168.10.107] XXXXX referer: http://master.xen1.kohaaloha.com:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?frameworkcode= 20:19 wizzyrea line noise? 20:18 mtj all the crap either side of the actual warn msg, itself 20:17 mtj i dont think i ever worked out how to do that! :) 20:16 mtj i really need a way to turn off all that apache line noise stuff in the error.log 20:12 mtj yeah... me too cait 20:12 gaetan_B bye 20:12 cait and that goes into the koha log files 20:12 cait mtj: normally using warns 20:11 cait bye tcohen 20:11 cait oh 20:11 mtj than 20:10 mtj ..other that just the generic apache error.log file 20:10 mtj stupid dev question here... what techniques do people use to dump stuff to log files when debugging koha? 20:09 tcohen bye #koha 19:52 cait hi bag 19:48 bag hey cait 19:33 cait hi #koha 19:25 tcohen bag++ 19:24 bag death of marc 19:20 rangi im sure 19:18 oleonard Has anyone called for the death of MARC yet today? 19:08 oleonard Hi rangi 19:06 tcohen :-D 19:06 tcohen ah 19:05 rangi new devs since the 3.16.0 release 19:04 rangi tcohen: the history.txt 19:04 rangi fwiw 19:04 rangi i like it 18:34 tcohen oleonard: http://snag.gy/AFTBI.jpg 18:28 tcohen i think it will fit well inside wordpress (the main purpose) 18:28 tcohen (<nav>) 18:28 oleonard Oh I see 18:28 tcohen just wanted to know if it would be fine to use it 18:27 tcohen i'm refactoring (a bit) the release notes templates, and am adding a table of contents 18:27 oleonard tcohen: Perhaps I misunderstand your question? 18:26 * tcohen is tidying the release notes templates 18:23 oleonard To my understanding most of the new HTML5 elements are interesting if you're concerned about semantics but that there aren't necessarily practical benefits from user agents yet 18:22 oleonard I don't know a lot about it tcohen 18:20 tcohen oleonard: any thoughts about the <nav> tag? 17:35 reiveune bye 17:23 mtj looking fwd to fixing that one 17:16 mtj but... if you hide opac, display staff - subfield *wont* display in editor 17:15 mtj if you hide staff, display opac - subfield displays OK in editor 17:15 mtj if you hide both opac and staff options, subfield displays OK in editor 17:14 mtj the bug seems to be quite subtle... 17:14 mtj heh, fair point owen :) 17:14 mtj hmm, i recall reading a related bug to this... the bitwise math was buggy, for the subfield visibility stuff 17:13 oleonard Has hiding a subfield in the OPAC ever really worked properly? 17:10 mtj ..if you decide to hide a subfield in the OPAC, via the frameworks - it no longer shows in the cataloging editor 17:10 mtj hows this for a weird bug.. 17:05 mtj something like that? ^ 17:05 mtj $( "optgroup[label*='Popularity']" ).remove() 16:56 nengard_phone hi all is there a jquery way i can hide popularity as a sort option in the opac? 16:55 ashimema hey bag.. 16:53 bag morning 16:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9165 enhancement, P4, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Allow preventing passwords from being stored locally when using LDAP 16:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12831 critical, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , local only logins should still work when ldap authentication is enabled 16:53 ashimema need comments on bug 12831 and bug 9165 16:52 ashimema any ldap people in da' house? 16:50 mtj sweet :0) 16:49 ashimema odd indeed.. 16:49 ashimema and git started to work :) 16:49 wahanui i think the git gc is fine 16:49 ashimema the git gc 16:49 ashimema rm -rfv refs/biblibre nuked it.. 16:49 ashimema I found 11944 in a ref 16:49 ashimema But.. when I did a grep for biblibre inside my .git dir 16:48 ashimema the above command gave nothing.. 16:48 ashimema there were some old refs lying around. 16:48 ashimema sorted.. 16:47 mtj what does that give you? ^ 16:47 mtj $ git branch -a | grep biblibre 16:47 mtj curious... 16:47 mtj np 16:46 ashimema thanks mtj 16:46 ashimema could do without this headache today.. 16:45 ashimema very odd.. 16:43 mtj its one of those 'your repo is somehow out-of-sync with a remote repo' bugs, huh.. 16:42 mtj all stuff ive never done before 16:42 mtj http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8839958/how-does-origin-head-get-set 16:41 mtj http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18570982/intellij-error-branch-origin-head-does-not-point-at-a-commit-some-refs-could 16:41 ashimema What more weird is that I only push up another patch moments ago and that went fine. 16:40 ashimema yeah.. I'm baffled.. 16:40 mtj hmm, thats an 'interesting' one ashimema :/ 16:40 huginn ashimema: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 11 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 15 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <dpavlin> khall: take a look at bug 12729 -- I opted to use mysql to tell me if date is overdue which will probably have some performance advantage over using DateTime perl module 16:40 ashimema @seen dpavlin 16:39 ashimema but surely bz shouldn't care about that.. 16:39 ashimema seems like somthings got out of sync.. 16:39 ashimema I removed the biblibre remote days ago.. 16:38 ashimema no idea where the biblibre branch is coming from.. 16:38 ashimema really odd one I've never seen before. 16:38 ashimema nah.. 16:38 pastebot "ashimema" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git-bz" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/294 16:38 mtj a timeout error? 16:37 ashimema randomly can't seem to attach a patch :( 16:37 mtj whats up ashimema? 16:36 ashimema any git bz pros here.. 16:33 mtj in 3.14... and master too 16:33 mtj ..the subfield no longer shows in the editor, anymore?! 16:32 mtj but then..enabling some of the other visibility options for the subfield, in the fwrk 16:32 mtj when creating a new bib, with that fwrk - the 'checked' subfield shows in the editor (good) 16:31 mtj specifically with the 'editor' checked ^ 16:29 mtj Visibility: OPAC Intranet Editor Collapsed Flagged 16:29 mtj hey #koha, have other people spotted weird behaviour around the 'visibility' stuff, for subfields in fwrks 16:02 ashimema haha. 15:59 wahanui ashimema is on qa now .) 15:59 cait ashimema? 15:59 cait well maybe about a third... 15:59 cait only half 15:58 ashimema community++ 15:58 ashimema cait you about..? 15:50 tcohen i love this community 15:38 khall it's an easy test and I though you may be able to make it more prettier ; ) 15:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12123 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , HTML notices can break the notice viewer 15:37 khall oleonard: want to give bug 12123 a shot when you have a moment? 15:34 cait i think there is script from marcel on the about.pl omnibus bug that does soemthing like find missing people 15:33 cait ah for the release notes? 15:33 tcohen will create a new_devs_3.18.tt template ;-) 15:32 cait afaik he updates that portion of the dashboard manually 15:32 tcohen rangi++ 15:32 tcohen cait++ 15:32 cait tcohen: manually :) 15:06 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 15:06 tcohen @later tell rangi how are you calculating the new devs? 14:23 cait mveron++ 14:08 magnuse tcohen++ 13:51 * mveron has a meeting... 13:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13329 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Can't make new suggestion with AllowPurchaseSuggestionBranchChoice turned on 13:51 mveron cait: Bug 13329 is signed-off 13:48 tcohen oh noes 13:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add base classes on which to build Koha objects 13:25 marcelr tcohen: bug 13019 is for you now! 13:25 * druthb scratches her head, and goes back to her corner. 13:24 wahanui druthb: bugger all, i dunno 13:24 druthb wahanui: morning? 13:24 wahanui Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast. 13:24 jcamins Morning. 13:24 tcohen morning jcamins 13:17 jcamins magnuse: oh, yeah. 13:16 magnuse jcamins: you made an integration test and documented stuff on the wiki :-) 13:12 marcelr no sir 13:11 wahanui marcelr: that doesn't look right 13:11 marcelr and change status again 13:11 khall excellent! 13:11 marcelr khall: will still add a qa comment 13:09 marcelr ok i look 13:09 khall marcelr: ok, patch has been uploaded! 13:07 marcelr ok 13:06 khall marcelr: I'll post a patch right now and you can sign off on it 13:06 marcelr you do not need it 13:06 marcelr the encode must be removed 13:06 marcelr khall: i tested with éºè·¡ç™ºè¦‹ and with áéÃóú in the surname in a modified Borrowers.t 13:06 tcohen probably at the beggining of the 3.20 cycle they'll have enough coverage we can feel confident on pushing 13:06 khall marcelr: I've tested from the command line and so far it looks like the encode is not needed 13:06 barton thanks tcohen 13:06 tcohen yeap, we already have regression tests for UTF-8 13:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 13:05 khall tcohen: I'll test on top of bug 11944 13:05 marcelr i think the encode in bg 13019 must be removed 13:05 tcohen barton: happy birthday 13:05 marcelr no 13:04 tcohen khall and marcel, i'm sure you're testing the use of encode in the context of 11944, right? 13:03 barton ah, thanks! :-) 13:03 oleonard Hey barton, a belated happy birthday to you! 13:01 marcelr the two finds would get out of sync little bit 13:01 marcelr ok 13:01 marcelr no problem with removing the last patch for find 13:01 khall doh! Let me test that right now. Haven't been sleeping too well. Daria's teething now ; ) 13:00 marcelr did you test the encode? 13:00 khall I think renaming new_from_dbic was a good idea 12:59 marcelr i look 12:59 khall marcelr: I signed off on your last followup and set to passed qa. Please change the status if you weren't ready to pass it. 12:59 oleonard Hi #koha 12:58 tcohen fredericd: did u see my followup for 13157? 12:52 ashimema what happened to windows in the intervening years since I last played with it.. 12:52 ashimema wow.. this new laptop comes with no less than 7 partitions out of the box.. 12:44 khall does that make sense marcelr? 12:44 khall in addition, it means we have two separate implementations of fetch which could deviate over time 12:43 khall marcelr: I really don't see that advantage to having a find method in Koha::Object. We've already got it in Koha::Objects, which is where we have all object getting methods already 12:42 khall I'm not entirely sure about the encode question. i'll test and confirm if it's needed 12:41 khall ah, I see 12:41 khall marcelr: what are your questions? 12:41 jcamins magnuse: what did I do? 12:40 * cait has to run off to a meeting 12:40 cait it has a patch now and is on the circ bugs wiki page 12:40 cait can someone please sign off the suggestion blocker? 12:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add base classes on which to build Koha objects 12:39 marcelr khall: i looked at bug 13019, have two questions on the report 12:33 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 22.0°C (9:00 AM ART on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1008 hPa (Rising). 12:33 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:15 * tcohen is uploading the french subtitles 12:15 tcohen morning cait 12:15 cait morning tcohen 11:02 magnuse tcohen often shows up around this time, i think? 11:00 cait argentina is a few hours behind us, not sure when he will see it 10:55 mveron Thanks, cait :-) 10:55 cait i dropped bernardo an email 10:54 * mveron can not open http://translate.koha-community.org (as yesterday) 10:40 * cait agrees 10:40 magnuse hm, that is not how it should work, i *think* 10:35 kivilahtio magnuse: When doing the full reindexing our searches have always been off when the zebraidx starts, without the -w -flag 10:32 magnuse no, if you do a normal full reindex, it will build the new index in a temporary location, while serving new searches from the old index. then when the new index is finished it will replace the old index. or so i think... 10:29 kivilahtio thanks for the tip. I'll try that 10:27 kivilahtio i htought the searching has always been unavailable during full reindexing 10:16 magnuse have you tried reindexing without the shadow indexing? that *will* make searching unavailable during the indexing 10:15 magnuse true 10:15 kivilahtio lemme see 10:14 kivilahtio then we shouldn't have a search index in the first place :) 10:14 magnuse could it be that the full reindex fails silently? 10:11 kivilahtio still there is the small gnome deleting those index records 10:11 kivilahtio maybe it doesn't actually reindex fully 10:11 magnuse i can't remember hearing about that before 10:11 kivilahtio tell me about it, maybe there is something wrong with the full indexing 10:11 magnuse wow, that is weird 10:10 kivilahtio exactly 10:10 kivilahtio yes 10:10 magnuse so you notice a record is missing from the index, do a full reindex, still missing, put it in the zebra queue and then when -z has done its thing it is searchable? 10:09 magnuse yeah, that is really weird 10:09 kivilahtio but it doesnt' explain why after a full reindex those records are not available 10:08 kivilahtio cait: I should 10:08 cait you shoudl setup gnome traps 10:08 cait y 10:08 cait that sounds very likel 10:07 kivilahtio or maybe some message_queue -etries 10:07 kivilahtio maybe there is a small gnome who randomly logs in to our server and randomly deletes stuff, like zebra index records 10:07 kivilahtio I think I will crash :) 10:06 * cait agrees with magnuse 09:58 magnuse i think it will crash if there is no more space 09:56 kivilahtio you set the index space from the zebra config files 09:56 kivilahtio or should Zebra just crash when the allocated disk space is used? 09:55 kivilahtio is this crazy? 09:55 kivilahtio I have no idea. My guess is that the space for the zebra index is getting low, or is spent and maybe indexing new records make old records vanish? 09:55 cait so it's something with how the cronjob runs... occasionally? feels like we can rule out the record itself 09:54 kivilahtio magnuse: it works fine 09:54 kivilahtio magnuse: yes 09:51 magnuse -z 09:51 cait kivilahtio: for the zebra script koha shoudl take care of that now itself 09:51 magnuse if you edit the missing record, does it get indexed by the normal process? 09:51 kivilahtio however 09:51 kivilahtio magnuse: zebraidx should throw errors if there are errors with the records 09:50 magnuse anything special about the missing records? like a missing 000 or 001 or something? 09:50 kivilahtio then log everything 09:50 kivilahtio cait: I made a wrapper for all koha-cronjobs to time them and to lock them from running on top of each others 09:49 kivilahtio rebuild_zebra.pl waits for the zebraidx to end before closing hte process 09:48 cait yeah, 3.16.4 shoudl have that 09:48 kivilahtio rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z -v runs every two minutes. There is a lock file in place to prevent all our cronjobs from starting before the running cronjobs closes 09:47 kivilahtio 3.16.04 09:47 kivilahtio yes 09:47 cait and are you using ht enormal -z way of indexing? 09:46 cait one index run not finished when the next starts... 09:46 cait could it be a runtime thing? 09:46 cait hm which version are you on? 09:43 kivilahtio I have a gut feeling this is an incredibly painful Zebra-problem 09:42 kivilahtio sometimes the normal indexing doesn't work 09:42 kivilahtio exactly, and the records are already normally indexed 09:42 kivilahtio yes 09:42 cait seems like your script would do the same as the normal reindexing? 09:42 kivilahtio Book was in DB and everything was ok but the zebra index record was missing 09:41 cait sounds indeed a bit weird 09:41 kivilahtio but we cannot manually reindex (or force reindex) every time we add new records. To add insult to injury, some old records are missing as well. We got a reservation for a book, which couldn't be found. 09:41 kivilahtio this seems to work 09:40 kivilahtio magnuse: I run the ModZebra( $biblionumber, "specialUpdate", "biblioserver" ); in a script to add the biblionumber to the zebraqueue and run the incremental rebuild_zebra.pl 09:39 magnuse very weird if even a full reindex does not help 09:38 magnuse kivilahtio: how do you "manually reindex those individual records"? 09:37 AmitG chris around? 09:35 kivilahtio this is very strange and happens randomly 09:35 kivilahtio now when I manually reindex those individual records, they become visible in the zebra. 09:34 kivilahtio magnuse: Any ideas why our Zebra doesn't index all records? In zebraqueue there definetely are entries where the given biblios have been indexed by rebuild_zebra.pl but I cannot find those records from Zebra using the Yaz-client? Even a full bibliographic reindexing doesn't help here. 09:32 magnuse cool, thought i recognized him 09:31 kivilahtio maybe 09:31 kivilahtio lol 09:31 kivilahtio magnuse: Yes, Ari 09:31 magnuse ...and into the fire? 09:31 kivilahtio but I am getting out of the frying pan !! 09:31 magnuse who was the guy on stage with you? ari mäkiranta? 09:31 kivilahtio lots of hard work :) 09:31 kivilahtio thanks magnuse 09:30 magnuse yeah congrats kivilahtio! 09:29 marcelr np 09:29 cait marcelr: sorry, haven't read the whole thread yet - thx for your patience :) 09:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12872 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Failed QA , Exclude some fields from Zebra indexing 09:27 marcelr kivilahtio: see also bug 12872; i have to get it out of FQA again 09:25 kivilahtio I mean I am finding solutions to manyu issues made possibly by clever use of XSLT 09:25 kivilahtio but I can imagine issues with large catalogues of 100GB+ 09:24 kivilahtio The more I work with Zebra the less I feel the need to change to elasticsearch 09:24 kivilahtio *I think I need to read the zebra manual from top to bottom 09:23 kivilahtio i use DuckDuckgo.org 09:23 cait or another search of your choice 09:23 kivilahtio nah 09:23 cait you could probably also just use google :) 09:23 kivilahtio strange world 09:23 cait i think one should have a search funtion at least 09:23 kivilahtio then we search from gmane to find the entries in koha-devel? 09:22 cait there are some 09:22 kivilahtio so gmane.org mirrors our koha-devel -mailinglist? 09:22 kivilahtio cait: so expect us :) 09:21 cait great :) 09:21 cait it sounds like a pretty cool award :) 09:21 kivilahtio cait: Yeah, we are working on it 09:21 cait ... and you shoudl write something for the newsletter about that 09:21 kivilahtio ok 09:21 cait nabble or something? 09:21 cait i think you can probably, using one of the mirrors 09:20 kivilahtio cait: This is a bit silly guestion but can I search the mailing list? All I get is hte archive :( 09:20 kivilahtio yeah, Ministry of Culture and Education gave us the annual library innovators award 09:19 cait hm, there was a video and lots of finish, hope google translate didn't mess up :) 09:19 kivilahtio :) 09:19 kivilahtio cait: we won a prize? 09:18 kivilahtio mveron, you should go. It is warm and tasty 09:16 Joubu Hi cait, #koha o/ 09:15 cait now we need a sign off.. 09:15 cait ... and Joubu++ for patching 13329 09:14 cait also maybe running a reindex with more verbosity? 09:14 cait kivilahtio: ther eis a script in the misc folder somewhere... something with slice - it could help you find the records that don't get indexed 09:14 cait kivilahtio: and congratulations for the prize :) 09:13 cait kivilahtio: it's sitll being developed i think, if you look on the indexdata website you shoudl see when the last version came out 09:13 cait kivilahtio: there have been facets for a while - we didn't use them until lately 09:13 * mveron is invited to a Glögi... Maybe kivilahtio can explain? 09:12 cait hi Oak, mveron and kivilahtio 09:10 kivilahtio Is Zebra still under development? I don't remember there being facets in zebra? 09:09 mveron And hi :-) 09:09 mveron cait: I prefer Vor-Ort-Ausleihe (On-site-checkouts) 09:09 kivilahtio CAn I search the mailing list archive? 09:09 kivilahtio I guess someone must have encountered a similar issue. 09:08 kivilahtio I am looking for information regarding Zebra not indexing all records in our DB, and can't figure out could we search our mailing list? 09:08 mveron :-) 09:08 kivilahtio wahanui is my friend 09:08 wahanui OK, mveron. 09:08 mveron wahanui: Are you a bot? :-) 09:05 huginn kivilahtio: The current temperature in Kontiolahti, Finland is 0.5°C (11:04 AM EET on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling). 09:05 kivilahtio @wunder Joensuu 09:05 wahanui OK, kivilahtio. 09:05 kivilahtio wahanui: I already did, but we are canging our SMS provider 09:04 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 10.6°C (10:04 AM CET on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 09:04 wahanui somebody said kivilahtio was working to integrate our SMS provider to Koha 09:04 Oak hey kivilahtio 09:04 mveron @wunder Allschwil 09:04 kivilahtio hello Oak 09:04 mveron ...and all the others 09:04 mveron hello Oak 09:04 Oak Lady Katrin. 09:04 Oak hello mveron 09:04 Oak magnuse 09:03 mveron Hi #koha 08:59 magnuse Oak 08:56 * Oak waves 08:44 marcelr :) 08:44 magnuse hiya marcelr 08:44 marcelr hi #koha 08:32 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B and akafred 08:25 gaetan_B hello 08:16 cait heh 08:15 magnuse maybe someone wanted to give translators the weekend off? ;-) 08:14 cait hm is pootle down? 08:13 cait did you have a good time? 08:12 paul_p (after a week-end in Nazareth) 08:12 paul_p hi cait. Yep, back home 08:12 cait are you back home? 08:12 cait morning paul_p 08:06 cait hi magnuse 07:59 magnuse kia ora cait 07:58 cait hi #koha 07:58 magnuse one problem with the integrations tests is example data. should we have a default set of sample data? should the tests create the data they need? or should the tests be configurable so they could work with different data? 07:57 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on November 24, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 07:57 magnuse @wunder boo 07:57 magnuse the new library in Bodø: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/nov/21/norway-concert-hall-bodo?CMP=share_btn_link 07:57 magnuse jcamins++ 07:56 alex_a bonjour 07:49 * ashimema wishes he had more time to focus on koha at the moment... but alas other projects are at the top of the pile right now :( 07:46 ashimema will do.. thanks Rangi 07:46 rangi also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Interface_testing_with_WWW::Mechanize 07:45 rangi ashimema: look at t/db_dependent/www/batch.t 07:39 reiveune hello 07:36 ashimema hense walking into a shop and getting one off the shelf 07:36 ashimema I had to get one in a hurry magnuse.. my last one finally completely blew up last week and I'm meant to be out with customers this week.. 07:36 huginn ashimema: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 07:36 ashimema @you'de like to login to your new computer would you... ok, you'll need a microsoft account for that.. tell me every tiny personal detail about you and i'll store it forever on my cloud.. then, maybe, if your locuky I'll let you sign in to your new computer 07:36 * magnuse bought a laptop without an os 07:35 ashimema and man windos 8.1 is really really naughty demanding personal details all over the shop 07:34 cait andnow... i amreally gone :) 07:34 cait hope it will stop you from falling out of irc all the time :) 07:34 cait but good luck with the new machine 07:34 ashimema it's madness 07:34 ashimema I've never seen so many crazy partitions shippped on a machine before.. 07:34 cait boooo for the windows thing 07:34 cait for the new machine 07:33 cait ashimema: yay!!! 07:33 ashimema before I strip it of windows and install linux I felt I aught to back up the spagetti of partitions they now call windows... just in case I eer needed to make a warranty claim (as they seem to claim warranties are now void if you wipe windows!) 07:32 ashimema I got myself a shiny new latop on saturday.. 07:32 ashimema dd is a linux tool to bit by bit copy stuff cait. 07:32 wahanui dd is, like, Debian Developer 07:32 cait dd? 07:32 * ashimema thinks he may have to re-acquaint himself with 'dd' today. 07:31 magnuse one of these days i will get around to reading http://modernperlbooks.com/mt/2012/08/simplified-html-testing-with-mojodom-and-mech.html 07:31 magnuse have fun cait 07:31 cait bbiab 07:31 cait talking about steps... it's time to go to owrk :) 07:31 ashimema doesn't stop me wishing they worked a bit better though ;) 07:30 liw (but I have not enough experience with web stuff to be able to say anything actually useful that Koha _should_ do) 07:30 ashimema indeed... me to 07:30 magnuse good point, liw 07:30 liw I've found the "recording" type test frameworks to be fragile against changes: you get to re-create the test too often when minute details change that don't really affect the thing being tested but ruin the recording 07:29 magnuse one step at a time :-) 07:29 cait there is soo crzay much we shoudl be doing 07:29 cait with our templates changing too much, not sure if it makes sense to have them right now or focus on other clean up tasks first 07:29 magnuse hehe 07:28 ashimema else it would be a meanigless 'test' 07:28 ashimema warning if they don't replay correctly of course 07:27 ashimema Would be fantastic to have a 'record' type testing framework.. to just record and replay actions 07:27 cait that is maybe a bit too ambiious 07:27 ashimema indeed.. that's a more sensible route.. but also more work and my understanding was that selenium should be so simple that every day users could write/record tests 07:26 cait ashimema: me neither 07:26 magnuse i think of it as tests using Test::WWW::Mechanize or something similar 07:26 ashimema Never could get Selenium working reliably... 07:26 ashimema I'm still a bit hazy on writing integration tests (as apposed to unit tests) myself thouhg :( 07:25 laurence hi magnuse 07:25 ashimema Don't we all Magnuse 07:25 * magnuse wishes we had tons of integration tests 07:25 magnuse kia ora ashimema and laurence 07:24 ashimema Monring #koha 07:16 cait night dcook 07:16 magnuse have fun dcook 07:16 dcook Night all :) 07:16 dcook Ok. I got to bounce. 07:15 * magnuse sent tcohen an email 06:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13314 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Fixes to .mailmap for the 3.18 release 06:56 magnuse also bug 13314 06:54 magnuse cait++ 06:54 magnuse this looks promising: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=gitdm/domain-map :-) 06:53 * dcook isn't sure 06:53 cait tomas said he had asked on the list, but i think imissed the mail 06:53 magnuse ah, ok 06:53 cait magnuse: i think maybe in the release notes script 06:53 magnuse i thought it was .mailmap, but it doesn't look like it 06:53 dcook magnuse: How do you mean? 06:52 magnuse hm, is there somwhere we map between email domain names and institution names? 06:50 dcook I was a bit swamped today and couldn't confirm for sure 06:50 dcook btw, thanks for opening that report, cait :) 06:50 dcook heya magnuse && cait 06:50 * magnuse waves 05:06 dcook Almost pulled one of those O_o faces 05:06 dcook Ahh, k. For a moment, I thought you were saying that it was sane 05:05 eythian there is no planet where this is sane 05:05 eythian then you can use svc/config/systempreferences/* and it responds in json 05:04 eythian well, you call svc/authenticate and it responds in XML 05:04 dcook ? 05:03 eythian there's also this handy library for working with json, but to authenticate, you use the XML part. 05:03 * dcook counts how many super long emails he's just sent out 05:03 eythian definitely 05:03 dcook Maybe 05:03 dcook If we went to a more service oriented structure, it would probably be easier to be consistent 05:02 dcook I wonder sometimes how many rules it would take to be consistent though.. 05:02 dcook Koha isn't that great for consistency 05:02 dcook Agreed 04:56 eythian one or the other, I don't care which 04:56 eythian that's dumb 04:55 dac Like... 99.9% sure 04:55 * dac is pretty sure that's true 04:53 eythian I hope that's not true 04:53 * eythian notes that it looks like the /svc API sometimes returns XML, sometimes JSON. 04:28 eythian nope, she's gone 04:25 AmitG liz around? 04:25 AmitG heya all 03:08 dcook Man... yeah... suggestions is ugly as sin 02:58 dcook The other one is... ugh 02:58 dcook Ah, that's just a plain old accidental bug, me thinks 02:49 dcook Mmm, rather old code... 02:48 dcook my $suggestion = $input->Vars; 02:48 dcook wth... 02:45 dcook And... dbic error 02:42 dcook Yeah... I'm thinking it's coincidence 02:41 dcook Unless that's coincidence... 02:41 dcook But it seems to work right in dev 02:40 dcook Nope. Code looks the same in prod and in dev... 02:40 dcook Hmm... 02:39 dcook I'm thinking this is something that got fixed.. 02:39 dcook $suggestion_ref isn't a copy... it's a reference to the object 02:38 dcook Because... my $suggestion_ref = $input->Vars; 02:38 dcook $$suggestion_ref{'branchcode'} = C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'}; 02:37 dcook Yep, I'm pretty sure that's it 02:36 dcook Which makes it super not obvious 02:36 dcook I'm guessing it's because of a reference somewhere... 02:36 dcook Somehow $input is being changed but I have no idea how.. 02:33 dcook ;) 02:33 dcook Overall, no 02:33 dcook In this case, I think so 02:33 dcook Mmm 02:32 ibeardslee are they mutually exclusive? 02:30 dcook Ok... glad to know I'm not going crazy... something weird is happening.. 02:14 dcook [off] Ok, j/k. It's not me. Just yet another doppelganger... 02:13 dcook [off] for those not on my FB: check out what I'm a part of: http://www.indiewire.com/article/why-nonprofits-are-the-future-of-indie-film-20141112 01:23 dcook Ah wait... 01:22 dcook No idea at all how $input->param('branchcode') can possibly be set... 01:21 dcook whew 01:21 dcook Ah wait, that's not doing what I thought it was doing 01:20 dcook $params .= $key . '=' . uri_escape($input->param($key)) . '&' 01:19 dcook wth.. 01:14 dcook There shouldn't be any input... 01:12 dcook $$suggestion_ref{'branchcode'} = C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'}; 01:12 dcook Huh... 01:12 dcook :S 01:12 dcook my $displayby = $input->param('displayby') || ''; 01:11 dcook my $branchfilter = ($displayby ne "branchcode") ? $input->param('branchcode') : ''; 01:05 dcook At least in 3.14.5 01:04 dcook And deleting all sorts of stuff out of that and yeah... it's a bit of a mess 01:04 eythian eww 01:04 dcook :S 01:04 dcook my $suggestion_ref = $input->Vars; 01:04 dcook But then I also see this 01:04 eythian ah 01:04 dcook So even though I have 5 suggestions for 5 branches, it's always going to use the first suggestion for the first branch :S 01:03 eythian ah 01:03 dcook It looks like it's using the first suggestion it comes across... 01:03 dcook What I meant is... I don't know why the script uses the suggestion in a lot of places... 01:03 eythian it's just usually you don't need them 01:03 dcook Ah, that's not what I meant 01:03 eythian they're not common, but they're sensible enough 01:03 eythian it's just a scalar dereference 01:02 dcook I probably don't understand it correctly though as it's all over the place 01:02 dcook If I understand "$$suggestion_ref" correctly, it's absolutely ridiculous.. 00:55 dcook So annoying 00:54 wizzyrea I've seen that, it's an annoying thing. 00:54 eythian I could be wrong though 00:54 eythian though I thought it was fixed 00:54 eythian it's a constant annoyance 00:54 eythian because it's dumb 00:52 dcook suggestion.pl is sure an interesting place to find oneself... 00:50 dcook On an unrelated note, does anyone know why Suggestions might filter by default to the user's branch only sometimes? 00:43 wahanui okay, eythian. 00:43 eythian wahanui: metadata is also <reply>http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=1176 00:43 wahanui ...but metadata is data... down with the distinction. ;)... 00:43 eythian wahanui: metadata is <reply>http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=1176 00:40 eythian err, probalby not useful for most of you 00:40 eythian http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=324e2f59c546a5dca0a29bfd3&id=174555d47c 00:38 dcook Yeah, I just did that 00:38 eythian ls -l will tell you 00:38 dcook Mmm, that must be the case this time 00:38 eythian I should make them be the same user 00:38 eythian because it's switching between web and command line 00:38 eythian I regularly get it creating with the wrong permissions in my dev environment. 00:36 dcook (Although in hindsight, that might not be the problem I'm having atm) 00:36 dcook That makes sense 00:36 eythian so it's never owned by someone else 00:36 dcook Sweet 00:36 dcook Actually... 00:36 eythian oh, in the packages, the web stuff runs as the relevant user 00:36 dcook As it's owned by someone else 00:35 dcook Well at the moment, when I go to supggestions.pl, I'm getting a fatal error because the web server can't write to that cache file 00:35 wahanui well, the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" 00:35 eythian what's the question? 00:35 eythian it...serves web pages? 00:35 dcook As it would need to write... help files and some cache files 00:35 dcook So how does the web server factor in? 00:34 dcook That's what I was thinking 00:30 eythian koha-instancename 00:30 eythian it's a user per instance 00:30 dcook Who owns the Koha files with the packages? 00:29 dcook init that is 00:29 dcook Yeah, it does 00:27 eythian iirc it activates all the cache types on init 00:27 eythian it might create it, not sure if it'll use it. 00:27 eythian they don't set it up by default 00:26 dcook That's... surprising 00:26 dcook Hmm... still using sharefile-koha-koha when I have MEMCACHED_NAMESPACE set anyways it seems... 00:25 dcook It's been a while since I've used them 00:25 * dcook was thinking a bit about how the Debian packages must work... 00:25 dcook Do the packages set up memcached by default? 00:24 dcook Apparently suggestions.pl also uses Koha::Cache... 00:24 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 00:24 dcook Interesting...