Time  Nick          Message
23:33 drojf         or maybe that isn't true and it's auckland
23:31 * drojf       listens to wellington death metal :D
23:30 dcook         Alas, it's only morning
23:30 dcook         Mmm curry
23:30 eythian       but first, curry time while debian/control regenerates.
23:30 eythian       I think this afternoon might have to be a 90's industrial afternoon. It's got that kind of feel to it.
23:29 dcook         Mogwai just came on, which... I listen to them probably every other day, so that's less remarkable
23:29 eythian       neither
23:29 dcook         I totally haven't listened to them in ages..
23:28 eythian       well, KMFDM just came on. That's a good start.
23:27 dcook         I don't have any more videos or images to express "I hope so"
23:26 eythian       (easy enough to fix though I expect)
23:26 eythian       the dependecies have been broken.
23:26 eythian       no, the opposite.
23:25 dcook         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfLcC1o85bo
23:23 eythian       no
23:23 eythian       ohh
23:23 eythian       no, typo in debian/control
23:22 dcook         lols
23:22 dcook         "...potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes"
23:22 eythian       oh, dependency issues
23:22 eythian       then why did the build fail
23:21 eythian       wtf
23:21 eythian       oh hey, tests passed
23:16 huginn        wizzyrea: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. []
23:16 wizzyrea      @marc 008
23:03 wajasu        when i signoff and code needs a tweak to pass QA code format rules, can I amend a signoff patch to tweak it, then signoff the tweak,  to prevent QA fail?
23:03 wajasu        ethian: i was going to get my docker kohapatch have a way to give a list of patches, maybe query the depends on, and create a branch with them applied upon instance being run
22:57 dcook         Keep meaning to take a look at ol' python
22:56 eythian       oh, I had an old version of master.
22:53 eythian       actually, an easier thing would be to allow a list of bugs to be passed. Even that doesn't work.
22:53 eythian       ha ha python is stupid
22:52 cait          that would save me a ton of time
22:52 cait          and while yo uare on it... can you make it work with a non ascii character in the commit message and doing git bz attach -e?
22:52 eythian       I don't really know python well, but also don't have time
22:52 cait          eythian: you could make it do that...
22:52 dcook         ^
22:51 * eythian     thinks git-bz needs a thing that says "apply the patch on this bug, and the patches on all the ones it depends on."
22:48 cait          ah, browser made something weird of it then :)
22:47 wizzyrea      heh, no, there was an extra http: on there.
22:47 rangi         that fix the db dependencies
22:47 rangi         theres a bunch of patches that need sign off
22:47 * eythian     notes that master still fails to build.
22:46 wizzyrea      ah thanks
22:46 cait          wizzyrea: tiny typo in the ibadan link - missing :
22:45 cait          wizzyrea: news_item++ :)
22:45 cait          i like it
22:44 rangi         cool
22:44 wizzyrea      May do a news item about it as well.
22:43 bag           wizzyrea++
22:42 wizzyrea      http://koha-community.org/about/ > any objections to that? I already cleared it with tcohen
22:40 eythian       actually, will do that now while this tries to build
22:40 eythian       I did, will look at it today.
22:39 huginn        04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues
22:39 bag           hey eythian did you see the comments from tomas on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998
22:38 * eythian     wonders if master will build today
22:37 cait          bag++ :)
22:37 bag           always seems short when talking koha
22:37 bag           I love this stuff
22:37 cait          but it's good it felt shorter to you :)
22:36 drojf         heh
22:36 bag           doh
22:36 drojf         95 minutes
22:36 cait          bag: 1:35 :)
22:36 bag           not too bad 35 minutes - I think this mornings was longer-ish
22:36 cait          a bit  - the elections make it long
22:36 eythian       that was a long meeting
22:36 bag           thd BobB had to step out
22:35 drojf         i said 9/21 would work for europe, either one or the other. that didn't gegt through it seems ^^
22:35 huginn        Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2.2014-11-19-21.03.log.html
22:35 huginn        Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2.2014-11-19-21.03.txt
22:35 huginn        Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2.2014-11-19-21.03.html
22:35 huginn        Meeting ended Wed Nov 19 22:35:47 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
22:35 cait          #endmeeting
22:35 gbengaadara   +1
22:35 cait          #agreed december 17th - 9 and 21 utc
22:35 rangi         +1
22:35 thd           +1
22:35 thd           BobB: Is that good?
22:35 cait          or is everyone asleep  now? :)
22:35 cait          can i get some +1 -1?
22:34 drojf         got disconnected
22:34 gbengaadara   ok
22:34 gbengaadara   If I miss one I should be able to make the other
22:34 cait          ok?
22:34 cait          suggestion would then be: 17th december, 9 and 21 utc
22:34 cait          i am bad with timezones, so someone needs to check if i am making bad suggestions :)
22:33 gbengaadara   9 is ok
22:33 cait          gbengaadara: what time was better for you?
22:33 cait          any opinions?
22:32 wahanui       thanks cait :)
22:32 cait          wahanui botsnack cookie
22:32 wahanui         30
22:32 cait          or 9 and 21?
22:32 cait          drojf - what do you think?
22:31 cait          i think
22:31 cait          normally at 9 most should be at work
22:31 thd           Is 9 am not a problem with many working people in transit?
22:31 drojf         lol
22:31 wahanui         29
22:31 cait          8 and 21?
22:30 cait          9 am is a good time in europe - not usre if uk is -1/+1
22:30 cait          or 3
22:30 cait          and move the first by 2 hours
22:30 thd           UTC 18.00 would be somewhat better for Europe but perhaps not enough better.
22:30 cait          hm what about keep this time - for nz and australia
22:30 bag           yeah can we shift the timing of things a bit - missed ashimema and paul_p and such
22:29 thd           This second meeting time should be a good time for Europe if the first one cannot be.
22:29 gbengaadara   wizzyrea: thanks
22:29 cait          well it's problem, if we don't do much earlier, we will still be outside of work time - so not sure
22:29 cait          i think
22:29 cait          for europe a bit earlier would get more attendance
22:29 thd           The first meeting time a UTC 5 is  a poor time  for Europe.
22:29 wizzyrea      gbengaadara: http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/
22:28 dcook         Mmm, I thought I'd missed this meeting
22:28 thd           I suggest  an earlier time
22:28 magnuse       good night or other time of the day, #koha!
22:28 cait          we have a suggestion for 17th from the first meeting
22:28 cait          #topic Set time and date of next general IRC meeting
22:27 cait          so jumping over that
22:27 cait          we had no actions form last meeting/they got all done
22:27 cait          ok
22:27 drojf         let the communication manager handle it ^^
22:26 magnuse       nah, just consider the idea aired, and move on :-)
22:26 cait          hm not sur how to get thi smoving for now
22:25 magnuse       yup
22:25 cait          i think the hard bit is finding the volunteer
22:24 drojf         i watched the evergreen episode earlier today. wouldn't hurt if anyone wants to do it
22:24 cait          it fits into the communication manager idea...
22:23 cait          aaah there you are :)
22:23 * magnuse     is not volunteering
22:23 magnuse       just an idea from me, that i wanted to put out there :-)
22:23 cait          #topic Koha on FLOSS weekly
22:23 rangi         thanks gbengaadara
22:23 cait          thx gbengaadara
22:22 gbengaadara   thats all info for now on kohacon15
22:22 cait          #action adding a note/link to the kc website about kohacon15
22:22 wizzyrea      Sure
22:21 cait          wizzyrea: coudl we add a link to the other site for now?
22:21 gbengaadara   cait: that will be great
22:21 drojf         website is looking good, thanks gbengaadara
22:20 gbengaadara   will keep info coming and updated.
22:20 cait          maybe we should add a short note to the website about KohaCon15 if we haven't yet?
22:20 cait          not right now - looks pretty good :)
22:19 bag           anybody have recommendations or comments for gbengaadara
22:19 gbengaadara   Should have some info in the kohacon15 page on the wiki in a couple of days too.
22:19 cait          #info http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/ updated now :)
22:19 rangi         yep he has :)
22:19 bag           adding the airport info like rangi asked is key :)
22:18 bag           good work gbengaadara
22:18 bag           later BobB
22:18 barton        nice explanations earlier.
22:18 cait          BobB++
22:18 barton        BobB++
22:18 * BobB        has to leave now, apologies
22:17 gbengaadara   but still finding my feet
22:17 rangi         excellent
22:17 gbengaadara   Attempting to edit the wiki pages
22:17 gbengaadara   Done some update to http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/ after the first meeting
22:16 gbengaadara   #info Conference 19th - 21st, Hackfest 23rd - 25th
22:16 gbengaadara   hi bag
22:16 bag           heya gbengaadara
22:16 gbengaadara   #info kohacon15 will be between 19th - 25th October 2015
22:15 gbengaadara   yup
22:15 cait          gbengaadara: still around? :)
22:15 cait          #topic KohaCon15
22:15 BobB          ok
22:15 cait          #action BobB will email the mailing list about the new roles
22:15 bag           yuppers
22:14 cait          i thik as we heard no 'no' - we can do that?
22:14 cait          first meeting agreed to have BobB send something to the mailing list
22:13 eythian       actually even someone sending notices about releases to the places that are likely to publish that sort of thing would do good.
22:13 drojf         +1 i like it too
22:12 bag           right thank you for saying that cait and BobB - more is better than nothing and being overwhelmed
22:12 cait          yeah that's pretty cool
22:12 rangi         i think thats a good start
22:12 rangi         and used to, (still does some) update stuff
22:12 cait          +1 like it
22:12 rangi         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Announcements  <-- david nind did this
22:12 BobB          but if someone comes forward, its a win
22:12 cait          ok, quick like/not like vote?
22:12 BobB          We can put it out to the list, if there is not response, nothing is lost,
22:10 BobB          if they do a bit, its more than now :)
22:10 cait          and maybe it could grow into a team?
22:10 cait          i think if we got a bit more done than now... already a win
22:10 wizzyrea      I like it, but I don't know if it's going to be economically possible for a volunteer to do what you are asking.
22:10 bag           (voted this morning)
22:10 BobB          exactly droif
22:09 bag           yup good point drojf
22:09 cait          should we have a quick vote to see if people like the idea?
22:09 drojf         BobB: i think that may have to do with the "free & open" thing. you can get every information you would ever like to have about koha by yourself. that is not the case with proprietary systems. but we should not assume that everyone will know that and/or want to go looking for all the things themselves
22:09 bag           and of course whomeever volunteers for this - will help create and shape the roll
22:08 BobB          more to pull stuff together and to get it out there, rather than to do stuff oneself
22:08 cait          turkey... not greece, although who knows? :)
22:08 bag           yeah what cait and BobB are saying
22:08 bag           sort of more a journalist
22:08 BobB          or phillipines or turkey ...
22:07 cait          orthe public libraries in greece
22:07 BobB          the closed source systems have marketing departments, we have word of mouth :)
22:07 bag           but not an evangelist
22:07 bag           the idea is someone to help us all promote koha better (not protect it)
22:06 BobB          we just found out there is a union catalogue in Argentina with a thousand public libraries:  wow! but who knows that?
22:06 bag           rangi had a few good things to say in it too - check the logs
22:06 drojf         makes sense. thinking of the excellent video that was done in argentina… we could probably have more things pushed to the outside world
22:05 wizzyrea      we should ask marshall breeding to publish our newsletter.
22:05 BobB          Stuff gets on list but not pushed as a press release e.g. to Marshall Breeding
22:05 cait          and trying to think of ways how we could make that happen
22:05 cait          i think we started with a discussion that we do great things, but don't tlak about it
22:05 drojf         ok
22:04 BobB          so maybe that could come later
22:04 BobB          droif not necessarily, but it could be if the community had that level of confidence
22:04 bag           thd: no
22:04 bag           drojf: nope
22:04 bag           BobB: no worries - I'm thinking a phone call will work from me (of course)
22:03 drojf         is it supposed to be some kind of official spokesperson to direct inquieres to?
22:03 BobB          if so, it can be fleshed out and call for nominations put out to the list
22:03 BobB          I think the question is: do we endorse the role
22:03 thd           Is this the role Kahtiki [please correct my spelling]?
22:03 BobB          I don't have anything to hand bag
22:03 bag           ok cool - I have some people in mind
22:02 BobB          not elsewhere, in any great detail
22:02 BobB          its in the minutes of the first meeting I guess
22:01 bag           BobB: is this written up anywhere?  or waiting for vote and then forwarding to mailing list?
22:01 BobB          liaising with the (excellent) newsletter team
22:01 BobB          So: prompting other people to write stuff,
22:01 BobB          but is active in seeing the project is promoted more than it is now
22:01 BobB          so that it does not consume development time
22:00 BobB          we thought it would be a role a librarian could fulfill, rather than a developer,
22:00 BobB          #info this is to be a coordinating role, more than a doing role
22:00 bag           yes let's move on cait
21:59 BobB          #info on the sidelines of KohaCon there was discussion about adding a Communications Manager role to the release team
21:59 cait          should we omve on to Communication Manager?
21:59 BobB          or just whether it is being worked on now or not
21:58 BobB          yes, prominently
21:58 wizzyrea      and maybe a statement of priority.
21:58 wizzyrea      or "these are the goals we have for the project"
21:58 wizzyrea      A statement of "these are the things we're working on, but we don't know when we'll get them done"
21:57 bag           drojf++  good comment
21:57 BobB          thd that is a core aspect of the proposal - the roadmap will not be time based
21:57 drojf         i understood the roadmap to be not time/releasebased so i see no problem there
21:57 thd           I also prefer feature based releases but that has not worked as well for the project.
21:56 cait          thd: i think the danger is that we can't give guarantees formost things - as we are on time based - hope we can avoid wrong expectations
21:56 BobB          yeah I think we have resolved wiki curator for now?
21:56 thd           One of the key things I examine for any software project which posts one is the development roadmap.
21:56 cait          BobB: could you explain?
21:56 cait          the other idea is having a communication manager
21:55 cait          we already heard a bit about the idea of having a wiki curator i think
21:55 cait          #topic Establish new roles within the release team
21:55 cait          #agreed We will gather information and ideas for the road map on the next meetings agenda
21:55 BobB          yes please
21:55 bag           cait++
21:55 cait          ok, so going to add ideas to next meetings agenda?
21:54 drojf         yes, exactly :D
21:54 bag           there were no objections is maybe a good way to put it
21:54 drojf         i think it's a good idea
21:54 wizzyrea      it's a good idea.
21:54 BobB          it got positive response withut a formal vote
21:53 cait          well ... when i got something wrong :)
21:53 thd           My specific proposal for the wiki was mostly related to other maintenance issues.
21:53 cait          BobB and bag were there too this morning, so I hope they correct me :)
21:53 BobB          will keep you posted, thd
21:53 cait          i think it got positive response
21:53 cait          we could collect examples on the wiki until then, or on the next agenda
21:53 thd           Sadly, I am unlikely toi be able to attend the next meeting but I will read the logs and any discussion on the mailing list.
21:52 drojf         did you vote yes or no in general for a roadmap in the first meeting?
21:52 cait          also to 'Have a retrospective meeting as part of the release process'
21:52 bag           yeah lets do the roadmap next meeting :D
21:52 BobB          indeed cait
21:52 cait          the first meeting suggested discussing the road map more at the next meeting, which will be shortly after release I think
21:51 bag           welcome back BobB
21:50 BobB          back
21:50 wizzyrea      which makes use of the internal bugzilla priorities
21:50 cait          #link https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Roadmap
21:50 drojf         when the roadmap is discussed after releases it may be a good moment to transfer a current state from teh wiki to the website
21:50 wizzyrea      bugzilla has a nice, wiki based, example.
21:50 wizzyrea      https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Roadmap
21:49 cait          well looks like a promise
21:49 cait          for a certain release or date
21:49 cait          i am pro trying a roadmap, but i think we need tomake sure it's not a promise
21:49 cait          #link https://www.drupal.org/roadmap
21:49 wizzyrea      roadmap.
21:49 thd           Is wiki content ever stable?
21:48 wizzyrea      Koha needs a roadmac
21:48 cait          #link https://core.trac.wordpress.org/roadmap
21:48 bag           the process and what it's like will come with time :)  for now - yes let's do it or not
21:48 wizzyrea      I'm suggesting ways in which it could be done ;)
21:48 bag           I think for now we are just trying to get it going again
21:48 mario         +1
21:48 wizzyrea      the dashboard does some of that
21:47 wizzyrea      https://core.trac.wordpress.org/roadmap or something like this
21:47 cait          or have a link
21:47 cait          and when we have a stable state we could move it to the website?
21:47 cait          i think maybe draft on the wiki
21:46 wizzyrea      on our website
21:46 wizzyrea      https://www.drupal.org/roadmap I would like to see a page like this
21:46 cait          I think we had talked about the wiki too in argentina when discussing this
21:46 BobB          on phone
21:46 BobB          it would of course be a page on teh wiki
21:45 thd           BobB: You seem to be describing a wiki.
21:45 bag           thanks again BobB
21:45 BobB          even
21:45 BobB          #info with a link to another page providing a full RFC
21:44 BobB          's it
21:44 BobB          that
21:44 BobB          with a link to another page providing a full RFS
21:44 BobB          #info the other idea was that items in the roadmap would be described in just a few lines ...
21:44 BobB          #info but maintaining the roadmap can be a continuous process, of course
21:43 BobB          #info we suggest taht the first meeting after the Release should review the release and discuss updates to the roadmap
21:43 BobB          #info so it serves a little like a strategic plan for the code, less formal
21:42 BobB          #info the idea is to re-create the roadmap, but not time based
21:42 BobB          #info Until at least 3.12 we had a roadmap that was time (release) based
21:42 BobB          #info this arises from a discussion on the sidelines of KohaCon
21:41 cait          #topic Establish a Road Map for Koha
21:41 BobB          well done cait and thank you!!!! to all team members
21:41 cait          we got a release team!
21:41 BobB          cool
21:40 cait          #info official elections for Wiki curator to take place next meeting
21:40 cait          the same as for other roles
21:40 wizzyrea      as you wish
21:39 cait          wizzyrea: i think because we want to give it a more official touch :)
21:39 barton        makes sense, BobB.
21:39 BobB          in the meantime, of course, those willing continue
21:39 BobB          and we vote at next month's meeting
21:39 thd           I wrote the entry in plural form like bug wrangler.
21:39 BobB          that note can point to the wiki and existing nominations
21:39 wizzyrea      I guess that's the part I don't understand, why it actually needs a vote?
21:38 BobB          #info So I think it still needs a short note to the list, but now ...
21:38 wizzyrea      yeah, vote next time, if it really requires a vote?
21:38 BobB          #info Then there were no nominations, now there are
21:38 cait          we don't keep people from cleaning up the wiki now :)
21:38 cait          I think so too
21:38 BobB          #info the first meeting decided to advertise the role on the list and call for nominations
21:38 barton        wizzyrea++
21:38 drojf         i don't think postponing the vote should/will keep anyone from volunteering on things
21:37 wizzyrea      Personally, I think if they are volunteering, and they want to do it, they should.
21:37 BobB          hi cait, I can speak to this
21:37 thd           However, the whole role should be open to everyone always.
21:37 cait          didn't have the time
21:37 cait          i haven't yet to be honest
21:36 thd           cait: no, you should read my proposal.
21:36 cait          did you plan to start right away?
21:35 cait          i don't think people won't be voted
21:35 thd           cait: OK, I agree.
21:35 cait          i'd like to not spread out a vote over a month :)
21:35 cait          i am not sure it would make sense to split like that
21:35 thd           The first meeting can vote again next month.
21:35 drojf         not that i don't like the category but i think we should vote that next time then?
21:34 cait          because the nominations were added after the first meeting today
21:34 cait          i am not sure how to deal with that
21:34 cait          yes
21:34 cait          #agreed Bug Wrangler: Magnus Enger
21:34 thd           cait: There is one more category added.
21:34 eythian       +1
21:34 jmsasse       +1
21:34 wizzyrea      :)
21:33 barton        (+2 if magnus does neat stuff with kohadevbox)
21:33 drojf         +1
21:33 thd           +1
21:33 talljoy       +1
21:33 wizzyrea      +1
21:33 nancyk        +1
21:33 barton        +1
21:33 cait          please vote :)
21:32 cait          any questions?
21:32 cait          last one is bug wrangler
21:32 cait          #agreed Packaging Manager: Robin Sheat
21:32 gbengaadara   +1
21:32 thd           +1
21:32 nancyk        +1
21:32 barton        +1
21:32 eythian       ±0
21:32 drojf         +1
21:32 wizzyrea      +1
21:31 cait          please vote for packaging manager :)
21:31 cait          ok, we have one, it#s eythian
21:31 cait          i wish :)
21:31 talljoy       cait's minions
21:31 cait          ok, next is packaging manager... do we have a volunteer for that?
21:31 cait          #agreed QA Team: Marcel de Rooy, Jonathan Druart, Paul Poulain, Christopher Brannon, Brendan Gallagher, Martin Renvoize, Kyle M Hall
21:30 talljoy       +1
21:30 eythian       +1
21:30 wizzyrea      +1
21:30 thd           +1
21:29 nancyk        +1
21:29 drojf         +1
21:29 cait          ok, please vote on the qa team now
21:28 cait          drojf: we both are now :)
21:28 cait          any questions?
21:28 drojf         do i have to rechair you? :)
21:28 cait          next on the list is our QA team
21:28 bag           cait++
21:28 cait          thx :) drojf++
21:28 drojf         #agreed Quality Assurance Manager Katrin Fischer
21:27 thd           +1
21:27 drojf         +1
21:27 drojf         am i still allowed to vote? ^^
21:27 talljoy       +1
21:27 jmsasse       +1
21:27 nancyk        +1
21:26 eythian       +1
21:26 wizzyrea      +1 I for one welcome our lovely QA overlord.
21:26 drojf         ok then, please vote for qa manager now
21:26 cait          not sure if it sticks without being chair
21:26 wizzyrea      yep nw
21:26 cait          thx wizzyrea
21:25 wizzyrea      #agreed Documentation manager: Nicole Engard
21:25 drojf         oops
21:25 cait          you got randomly picked to do the votes for qa :)
21:25 huginn        Current chairs: cait drojf
21:25 cait          #chair drojf
21:25 cait          sent too fast
21:25 cait          oh sorry
21:25 dani          +1
21:25 cait          #agreed (Database) Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard
21:25 edveal        +1
21:24 talljoy_phone +1
21:24 eythian       +1
21:24 drojf         +1
21:24 nancyk        +1
21:24 wizzyrea      +1
21:24 thd           +1
21:24 cait          please vote for (database) documentation manager
21:23 cait          and wuestions about documentation manager or database documentation manager?
21:23 cait          i'd like to combine the documentation roles into one vote
21:23 wahanui       i don't know, bobb
21:23 BobB          wahanui: next?
21:23 cait          #agreed Translation Manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel
21:22 eythian       +1
21:22 nancyk        +1
21:22 barton        +1
21:22 drojf         +1
21:22 thd           +1
21:22 wizzyrea      +1
21:22 cait          ok, please vote on translation manager now :)
21:22 wizzyrea      bgkriegel++
21:22 cait          ... and bgkriegel++ while we are there
21:22 wahanui       wizzyrea: I forgot next
21:22 wizzyrea      forget next
21:21 cait          any questions?
21:21 wahanui       i already had it that way, cait.
21:21 cait          next is translation manager
21:21 barton        nod.
21:21 wizzyrea      I think it's worth trying until we get there
21:21 cait          i think it's worth giving it a second try
21:21 wizzyrea      We had no QA manager for years, that was not a reason to remove the role. Now QA is well established. I hope that it will be the same for Module Maintainers  < I agree with PaulP
21:21 cait          #agreed Module Maintainers: Martin Renvoize (Auth), Colin Campbell (SIP), Kyle M Hall (Holds), Galen Charlton (Patron Privacy)
21:21 cait          ah, RM interrupts
21:20 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13277: (QA followup) use t::lib::Mocks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95ce6945d879dd2ca82ccc988e84535f89a384f3> / Bug 13277: t/SuggestionEngine_AuthorityFile.t shouldn't depend on the DB <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98fcda28ff119bc6ef6b35e5cd32e57f50870d6f> / Bug 13278: (QA followup) use t::lib::Mocks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;
21:20 jmsasse       +1
21:20 thd           +1
21:20 gbengaadara   +1
21:20 thd           I assume that everyone contributes more than enough despite some adverse comment in the list.
21:20 eythian       +1
21:20 nancyk        +1
21:20 wizzyrea      +1
21:20 drojf         +1
21:20 cait          Please vote for the module maintainers as listed on the wiki now
21:19 wahanui       i guess vote is going to the list regardless of what we decide
21:19 cait          vote?
21:19 thd           It is a very unfair question.
21:19 cait          I think it was the one doing OPAC
21:19 cait          thd: not sure that's a fair question :)
21:19 cait          trying to leave some room for questions in between voting - please tell me if i am too fast or slow
21:19 thd           Who was the only module maintainer who contributed last time?
21:19 barton        I'm good, cait.
21:19 cait          so any questions about the module maintainers?
21:19 cait          it just didn't get cleaned up form the page yet
21:19 barton        HA
21:19 thd           barton: That is you
21:19 cait          barton: in case someone wanted to step up and maintain an older version
21:19 barton        although, just for the sake of completeness, who does "..." represent?
21:19 cait          #agreed Release Maintainers: Chris Cormack (3.18), Mason James (3.16), Fridolin Somers (3.14)
21:17 nancyk        +1
21:17 barton        +1
21:17 drojf         +1
21:16 jmsasse       +1
21:16 wizzyrea      +1
21:16 thd           +1
21:16 cait          please vote for the release maintainers now as listed on the wiki
21:16 drojf         +1 for group voting
21:16 thd           +1 for groups
21:16 wizzyrea      +1
21:16 cait          any problem with voting them as a group?
21:16 nancyk        roles
21:15 eythian       #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT
21:15 cait          any questions?
21:15 cait          mtj volunteered for the missing post of 3.16 rmaint, so we have a full set of rmaints now
21:15 learn_koha    ok
21:15 BobB          back
21:14 cait          Next are module maintainers
21:14 cait          #agreed Release Manager 3.18: Tomas Cohen Arazi
21:14 cait          learn_koha: we are int he middle of a meeting - maybe try again a bit later?
21:14 cait          tcohen++ :)
21:14 cait          :)
21:14 learn_koha    hi   anyone knows how to import bulk books to koha please?
21:14 barton        +1
21:13 drojf         +1
21:13 jmsasse       +1
21:13 JesseM        +1
21:13 nancyk        +1
21:13 cait          +1, -1.. you know how it works :)
21:13 thd           +1
21:13 cait          ok, vote on Release manager now - candidate is Tomas Cohen Arazi
21:12 cait          any questions?
21:12 cait          ok, first, RM
21:12 * BobB        goes to grab breakfast
21:11 cait          i also won't vote as i voted this morning
21:11 * bag         already voted this morning (so I will pass too)
21:11 cait          #info Nominations are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20
21:11 BobB          I voted yesterday, will pass
21:11 cait          #topic Elections!
21:11 wizzyrea      go for it
21:11 cait          i'd like to do elections next, like in the first meeting if that#s ok for everyone?
21:10 cait          ok, anything else? :)
21:10 BobB          :)
21:10 cait          thx BobB
21:10 wahanui       i already had it that way, cait.
21:10 cait          #info Release 3.18 is on 28th next week
21:10 BobB          #info a Beta for 3.18 was released a few days ago:  please test
21:10 cait          see tomas' email earlier
21:10 cait          #info String Freeze for 3.18 is on 21th this week
21:09 bag           bummer no tcohen
21:09 cait          rm or rmaints around? :)
21:09 mario         #info Mario Guilin ByWater
21:09 cait          #topic Update on releases (3.8 - 3.18)
21:08 cait          moving on to the releases
21:08 wizzyrea      bgkriegel++
21:08 wizzyrea      tcohen++ unc++ the video is cool
21:08 cait          please keep an eye on that page and see how you can help
21:08 cait          yes, we still need testing and patches
21:08 bag           #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Critical_circ_bugs
21:08 cait          #info Koha, a community  -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHav6PL_4Bo&feature=youtu.be A video made during KohaCon14 in Argentina got published yesterday
21:07 cait          #info ES demo is up from Robin http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
21:07 bag           not totally ready for feedback though - since we're still doing lots of development
21:07 barton        #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, Kentucky, USA
21:07 wizzyrea      erm, I suppose a general announcement is that one should file bugs for anything website related on bugzilla, under "website"
21:07 cait          but please start testing afterthe meeting :)
21:07 wahanui       i guess good news is it looks like it's running properly.
21:07 cait          good news!
21:07 bag           ES demo is up from Robin http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
21:07 dani          #info Dani Elder BWS, USA
21:07 wizzyrea      #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT
21:06 dani          #Dani Elder BWS, USA
21:06 cait          any announcements?
21:06 cait          #topic Announcements
21:06 cait          yw
21:05 bag           hey thanks for the link cait
21:05 edveal        #info Ed Veal ByWater
21:05 talljoy_phone #info Joy Nelson BWS, USA
21:05 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
21:05 edveal        #info edveal, BWS USA
21:05 wajasu        #info!
21:05 gbengaadara   #info Olugbenga Adara Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria
21:05 bag           #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater
21:05 JesseM        #info Jesse Maseto, BWS, USA
21:05 cait          #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
21:04 drojf         #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin
21:04 nancyk        #info nancyk Reno, Nevada  Washoe County Library System
21:04 jmsasse       #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek, MN
21:04 BobB          #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia
21:04 cait          it is time for the meeting, isn't it?
21:03 cait          please introuce yourself with #info!
21:03 wahanui       #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
21:03 cait          #topic introductions
21:03 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2'
21:03 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
21:03 huginn        Meeting started Wed Nov 19 21:03:22 2014 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
21:03 cait          #startmeeting General IRC meeting 19 November 2014, part 2
21:02 wahanui       i guess meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe
21:02 cait          ok, meeting time?
21:02 wajasu        ha!
21:02 drojf         a photo of you and the banana?
21:01 cait          which photo? :)
21:01 kathryn       cait I think it is a consolation prize really, as that silly photo is now gone :)
21:00 cait          he is usually to blame for things like hat
21:00 wahanui       i think eythian is Time's Person of the Year for 2006.
21:00 cait          wizzyrea: eythian?
21:00 cait          hi nancyk
20:57 * wizzyrea    wonders why wahanui thinks kathryn was beaten by a banana
20:54 nancyk        hicait, just checking to see if I can get in
20:54 cait          5 mins to meeting, brb
20:54 cait          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Critical_circ_bugs
20:53 cait          sure, if you are lookign for new pages the 'recent changes' link is pretty handy
20:53 bag           hey cait you shared a nice wiki page last night of the bugs for 3.18 - do you still have that page handy?  I'd like to share that with a few people
19:33 mtompset      Oh my! I remember this bug I was working on.
18:40 kathryn       Hi AmitG and mtompset :)
18:40 mtompset      Greetings, AmitG bag kathryn. :)
18:34 AmitG         heya kathryn
18:32 kathryn       :)
18:32 kathryn       I did NOT hear that wahanui!
18:32 kathryn       oh for goodness sake...
18:32 wahanui       i heard kathryn was beaten by a banana.
18:31 bag           heya kathryn
18:31 kathryn       hi bag 'n'all
18:30 bag           heya AmitG
18:29 AmitG         bag around?
17:54 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
17:54 mtompset      Bye, tcohen. :)
17:53 tcohen        bye #koha
17:35 * cait        waves
17:06 reiveune      bye
16:56 huginn        04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues
16:56 huginn        bag: The operation succeeded.
16:56 bag           @later tell eythian - Hey Robin you've got a little feedback on this - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998  What do you think about it?
16:56 huginn        04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues
16:56 bag           tcohen: thanks for the feedback on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998
16:33 bag           nice
16:33 cait          and don't forget... second election meetig later :)
16:32 cait          hi drojf, hi bag - bbiab :)
16:32 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7143 : Updating history and about page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=719c1335d878cc2ab94af262bea4540daabc5d55> / Bug 12132: display guarantees if a patron has them, regardless of category type <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=857c68e2a667eea55255a373583c9ed69ea1cea9> / Bug 13223: [QA Follow-up] Adding some unit tests for wrapper <http://git.koha-communit
16:14 drojf         hi #koha
16:03 bag           morning
16:03 Joubu         see you #koha
16:03 * Joubu       is sending an audio file to oleonard
14:57 littleboss    music
14:57 oleonard      Why?
14:56 littleboss    audio
14:56 oleonard      Is it text?
14:56 oleonard      You post the file somewhere and share a link to it here
14:56 littleboss    suppose I need to share files in chat
14:55 littleboss    RngTFM does not help
14:55 oleonard      Download in chat? What do you mean?
14:55 littleboss    anyone :(
14:54 littleboss    how do i download in chat ?
14:54 oleonard      Joubu++
14:54 oleonard      Thanks Joubu
14:43 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12376 - blinking cursor not clear in larger resolutions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b60192397c30cc25d8f9ff4eec5f021111ef9c2d> / Bug 13234 [Follow-up] Make on-site checkouts visible in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=535a224b8710e8218bae40649d72b626d8fc412d> / Bug 13234: On-site checkouts - OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=
14:31 Joubu         oleonard: ok patch sent
14:24 oleonard      I'll take a look and see if I can get any ideas Joubu
14:22 Joubu         But I don't know how we could fix that
14:22 Joubu         oleonard: Which is really dirty
14:22 Joubu         oleonard: repeatable holidays: it comes from the document.write into a td (...)
14:17 tcohen        mtj++
14:14 oleonard      I have 31 reports in all
14:14 Joubu         hum...
14:14 oleonard      So: Click the tab... Wait one second... The tab switches.
14:14 oleonard      After the patch it takes about one second for the tab to switch
14:13 Joubu         but I don't have a lot of report (something like ~30)
14:13 oleonard      When I test it before the DataTables upgrade, clicking each tab brings up the contents of the tab almost instantly
14:13 Joubu         I didn't notice that
14:13 Joubu         how?
14:12 oleonard      The patch works, but there seems to be a noticeable slowdown with loading each tab
14:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13288 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Saved reports tabs broken by DataTables upgrade
14:12 oleonard      Joubu: Before you get too deep into that problem I have a question about Bug 13288
14:11 Joubu         outch
14:11 Joubu         yep, same here...
14:11 oleonard      Joubu: I mean the page doesn't load at all
14:11 Joubu         I get really weird behaviors on the page too
14:10 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13289 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Calendar with weekly repeating holidays completely broken by DataTables upgrade
14:10 Joubu         oleonard: what do you mean by "broken" in bug Bug 13289?
14:05 schnydszch__  Thank you very much jajm for the Koha-Drupal integration. I'll configure and read further. I'll try to remap koha.conf UNIMARC to MARC21 and share it. Cheers! :)
14:01 bigbrovar     cait: That as it. placing holds now work
14:00 bigbrovar     cait: Thanks alot. I will do just that
13:50 cait          bigbrovar: also make sure that you have the number of reserves in the cirulation rule not empty, but with a number
13:50 ashimema      so does it work on your intranets installation?
13:50 cait          bigbrovar: check allowonshelfholds preference
13:49 bigbrovar     this is even when the item information are displayed and the item is marked as available. I crossed check the circulation and fine rules and have the default all setup
13:48 bigbrovar     Hi guys. after setting up koha instance for my school (on our intranet) it worked fine so we proceeded to do a setup on linode everything seems ok.. exporting marc from the intranet version to the version on linode went well without problems.. however when I did test to put a book on hold I get this error "Sorry, none of these items can be placed on hold." " No available items"
13:42 jajm          schnydszch_, i don't have any other idea... :/
13:39 schnydszch_   is my ILS Connection test through ILS-DI
13:39 schnydszch_   jajm same as before http response 200
13:31 schnydszch_   i'm trying to upload the opac alpha
13:30 jajm          schnydszch_, can you confirm your drupal installation have access to koha ils-di ? (you can see it in admin » config » opac servers » YOUR SERVER, or, in URL terms, /admin/config/opac/servers/manage/YOURSERVER/view)
13:27 schnydszch_   jajm, i'm seeing opac alpha uploaded 11/19
13:27 schnydszch_   jajm i have just run it
13:25 jajm          schnydszch_, did you run the updatedb after upgrading to 3.x ?
13:21 cait          not right now sorry :(
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13289 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Calendar with weekly repeating holidays completely broken by DataTables upgrade
13:19 oleonard      Can someone please see if they can reproduce  Bug 13289?
13:16 schnydszch_   same errors
13:16 schnydszch_   jajm, I tried the dev versions still getting the
13:14 cait          hm 8 hours?
13:14 cait          i think the next meeting in a few hours?
13:02 schnydszch_   i look at my perl module of the same, it's 0.03
13:01 schnydszch_   here's the link http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/F/FA/FAYLAND/Template-Plugin-HtmlToText-0.03.tar.gz
13:01 schnydszch_   littleboss maybe you need to install the perl module manually
12:59 cait          thx oleonard
12:55 oleonard      cait++ # for chairing the meeting earlier
12:54 Joubu         tcohen: yep
12:52 tcohen        Joubu: would u agree to rename mock_dbh for mock_context?
12:52 littleboss    koha 3.16.04 on ubuntu 14
12:51 littleboss    :(
12:51 littleboss    any pointers
12:51 littleboss    Have installed it by hand still missing
12:51 littleboss    This module is driving me nuts ! Template::Plugin::HtmlToText
12:50 oleonard      Hi #koha
12:38 tcohen        hi again
12:28 huginn        mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 12.1°C (1:28 PM CET on November 19, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
12:28 mveron        @wunder Allschwil
12:28 * mveron      waves
12:09 cait          #communicating even
12:09 cait          tcohen++ # commnicating :)
12:06 * magnuse     waves temporarily
12:03 wahanui       hey, tcohen
12:03 tcohen        hi
10:50 Joubu         mveron: looks good, thanks!
10:45 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash
10:45 mveron        Joubu: Bug 10956 changed
10:31 schnydszch    okay thanks, I'm trying it now. I downloaded it already
10:28 jajm          koha-connector 3.x-dev was not visible on drupal.org, but i just fixed that
10:27 schnydszch    okay jajm, i'll try
10:27 jajm          schnydszch, you should probably upgrade to 3.x-dev for both
10:27 schnydszch    opac-7.x-2.0
10:26 jajm          schnydszch, and which version of opac ?
10:24 schnydszch    koha_connector-7.x-2.x-dev
10:23 jajm          schnydszch, hmm, which version of koha-connector do you use ?
10:22 schnydszch    somewhere along the line 456: // Title information.       $bib['title'] = '';       $title = $this->get(array('value' => '200$a'), $bib_info_marc);       $bib['title'] = $title[0];       if (!$bib['title']) {         $bib['title'] = ' ';
10:21 schnydszch    jajm, probably this error above the message will help (?): Undefined offset: 0 koha.inc:456
10:17 Joubu         mveron: yes I saw. That's why I suggested you to use the same code
10:16 littleboss    installed. bn doing that on past installs
10:15 littleboss    downloaded the kohalatest
10:15 littleboss    yes
10:15 schnydszch    ?
10:15 schnydszch    you passed through koha web installer
10:14 littleboss    schnydszch it has funnyly installed but the the recheck still fails
10:14 schnydszch    control no
10:14 schnydszch    001 I mean
10:14 littleboss    mtj it installs but the recheck still fails
10:13 wahanui       control field is number ?
10:13 schnydszch    how about control field?
10:13 schnydszch    jajm, okay i'll try to look at my marc records
10:13 schnydszch    littleboss, yeah never experienced that as of late since using the debian package
10:12 jajm          schnydszch, try with a non-item field, a non-repeatable one if possible
10:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash
10:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8646 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, CLOSED FIXED, Certain search terms cause browser "script taking too long" error
10:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9419 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, The highlight feature can cause a browser freeze
10:12 mveron        Joubu: The fixes in bug 9419 and bug 8646 are related to the prog theme (Opac).  My fix in Bug 10956 is for bootstrap
10:12 littleboss    schnydszch thnks for the heads-up
10:10 schnydszch    ; Itype biblioFields[itype][label] = 952 Items type biblioFields[itype][description] = "items type in 952\$y marc field." biblioFields[itype][get][0][value] = '952$y' biblioFields[itype][default] = 'INC'
10:10 schnydszch    i edited 995 to 952
10:10 schnydszch    yep
10:09 jajm          schnydszch, an item field ?
10:09 schnydszch    which is the itemtype
10:09 schnydszch    yes it's in 952$y
10:07 schnydszch    littleboss, you can follow this http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze I'm not sure if it's doable in Ubuntu
10:07 littleboss    schnydszch let me share the error
10:07 littleboss    schnydszch tried it
10:06 jajm          schnydszch, Books content type corresponds to a MARC field in koha.conf, do your Koha records have 'BK' in this MARC field ?
10:06 schnydszch    littleboss try cpan
10:04 littleboss    schnydszch: stuck at web installer step 1 because of Template::Plugin::HtmlToText
10:04 schnydszch    jajm, Books content type
10:04 schnydszch    jajm, "/^BK$/"
10:04 schnydszch    Books content type
10:03 jajm          schnydszch, on which field do you try to match '^BK$' ?
10:03 littleboss    running it on ubuntu :)
10:02 schnydszch    by the way, koha installation is debian package
10:01 schnydszch    jajm, i've tried with books field value "/^BK$/" and only mapping is ISBN because it was the only field I can edit on the fly (from 010 to 020). I'm still getting the same error
10:01 littleboss    schnydszch: from here http://download.koha-community.org/koha-latest.tar.gz
09:57 schnydszch    littleboss, is this for koha-restful? if it is, I was not successful installing it
09:53 littleboss    schnydszch: building a test env to handle this any suggestions ?
09:52 littleboss    schnydszch: how did you get past Package libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is not available error in 3.16.4
09:45 schnydszch    jajm, okay i'll try
09:45 schnydszch    can somebody using 3.16.4 confirm if they're getting the same. In circulation and fine rules, heard due date is non editable. Whenever it is edited it sets to None define. i've also tried this with bywater's http://intranet.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl which is 3.17.x  Please confirm. Thanks!
09:44 jajm          schnydszch, as i said, maybe it's not possible to use an item field for that, could you try with another field ?
09:42 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8646 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, CLOSED FIXED, Certain search terms cause browser "script taking too long" error
09:42 Joubu         mveron: see bug 8646 too
09:41 schnydszch    jajm, okay. I have a item type RETRATO in Koha ILS. In Drupal, I have content type retrato. i tried in field value "/^RETRATO$/" and "/RETRATO /"  But still giving me WD OPAC HARVEST: Can't determine the content type for record n° 19  [warning] coming from filipinas_library server. Title:  . Switch this record when I issue drush opac-harvest --from=1 --to=20 --print-id -v
09:40 Joubu         mveron: maybe it could be good to have the same function
09:39 Joubu         the patch fixed opac-results only...
09:39 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9419 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, The highlight feature can cause a browser freeze
09:39 Joubu         bug 9419
09:39 Joubu         mveron: 9419:
09:38 mveron        Joubu:I searchd Bugzilla first, but did not find anything. That's why I worked on it. Do you rmember the Bug number?
09:37 jajm          schnydszch, koha-restful is not needed for opac-harvest, it uses ILS-DI GetRecords
09:35 Joubu         at least submited a patch!
09:35 mveron        Joubu: Fixed in master?
09:35 Joubu         weird, let me check
09:34 Joubu         mveron: I have already fixed that!
09:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash
09:31 * mveron      neded quite a time to find a three line fix for Bug 10956 freezing browser while highlighting...
09:29 mveron        hi #koha
09:11 schnydszch    I was thinking that could be one of the reason(s)?
09:11 schnydszch    oh.. one question further. Is the koha-restful needed to be configured? or ILS-DI is enough?
09:07 jajm          schnydszch, maybe it's a bad idea to use an item field for guessing the content type, there could be multiple different values, also we never used an item field for that, so you probably found a bug
09:06 schnydszch    http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wheke.org
09:06 schnydszch    it was the default
09:05 schnydszch    it's inaccessible for me. right now, itype is 995
09:05 jajm          schnydszch, hmm... wheke.org is still up for me
09:04 schnydszch    by the way, wheke.org is down, this was presented in Koha Con '13 :)
09:02 jajm          schnydszch, what do you have in koha.conf about itemtype ?
09:00 schnydszch    as i see in the mapping
09:00 schnydszch    the itemtype is 995. however the field for itemtype is 952
08:59 jajm          it seems that the rule you set doesn't match
08:58 schnydszch    I've already configured. do i need to configure them all. I only configured one field
08:58 jajm          schnydszch, https://www.drupal.org/node/1780226
08:57 jajm          schnydszch, you need to configure the content types for your opac server, in drupal admin
08:56 paul_p        schnydszch (the author of the connector is jajm, not me. I'm jajm boss ;-) )
08:55 schnydszch    i'm testing this in Koha 3.16.4 drush version 6.2.0 and drupal 7.28. hi paul_p :)
08:53 schnydszch    is this related to the koha connector not configured for UNIMARC? or another thing
08:52 schnydszch    WD OPAC HARVEST: Can't determine the content type for record
08:52 schnydszch    so the koha.conf in one of the files in the module needs to be configured. However, when I run the drush opac-harvest I get this WD OPAC HARVEST: Can't determine the content type for record
08:47 jajm          schnydszch, hi, the koha connector is very configurable, but maybe some things are UNIMARC only, like 200$a for the title (but that could be changed easily in the source code)
08:45 paul_p        jajm ^
08:44 schnydszch    please correct me if I'm wrong, is the Koha connector module in drupal for UNIMARC only?
08:39 schnydszch    hi sophiem of biblibre, i have question regarding koha-drupal koha connector
08:33 rangi         not sure, the cron is set up, ill set it to mail me instead of > /dev/null so i can see if it throws an error
08:32 Joubu         So what the problem?
08:32 Joubu         rangi: yep!
08:31 rangi         just ran it manually, look better now?
08:31 rangi         Joubu: it should be running every morning, it might have died for some reason, ill check
08:30 littleboss    mtj: true
08:28 * cait        waves
08:27 mtj           ..you can always create a new linux VM, to test :)
08:27 mtj           no probs littleboss
08:26 littleboss    mtj: let me try tht will get back to you asap
08:25 littleboss    :eythian bn checking it out in vain
08:25 littleboss    mtj: yes
08:18 Joubu         rangi: I don't see patches I sent recently
08:18 Joubu         rangi: do you know when the spliter update its data?
08:18 mtj           i think you miss this step? ^
08:17 mtj           .
08:17 mtj           deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main
08:17 mtj           'To get the stable 3.16 release, add this to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file:'
08:15 mtj           -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze
08:15 mtj           littleboss:  are you following the good install instructions?
08:14 eythian       littleboss: it sounds like you might not have the Koha repo sources added correctly, I'll let mtj help with that :)
08:14 * eythian     is not good at leaving but it really doing it now
08:14 eythian       there is a version of libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl in all the Koha repos.
08:14 littleboss    mtj: :)
08:13 littleboss    mtj: what would be the work around
08:12 mtj           you have some mistake with your apt sources , i think
08:11 littleboss    is only available from another source
08:11 littleboss    This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
08:11 littleboss    mtj: Package libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is not available, but is referred to by another package.
08:11 littleboss    mtj: E: Package 'libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl' has no installation candidate
08:09 mtj           littleboss:  paste error there ^
08:09 wahanui       i think paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
08:09 mtj           paste?
08:09 mtj           hmm, ok
08:09 littleboss    mtj: all the other modules install
08:08 littleboss    mtj: have an error on that
08:08 mtj           ok, got it :)
08:08 Joubu         mtj: that's it, I did not write this module (Clickatell.pm)
08:08 mtj           littleboss:  # apt-get intsall libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl
08:07 mtj           aah Joubu, you made a general SMS patch? - not a patch for clickatell
08:07 Joubu         mtj: ha yes :) I forgot this email
08:06 littleboss    mtj: pachkages yes
08:06 littleboss    mtj: Had to step away
08:06 mtj           Joubu:  https://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/msg06687.html
08:04 * eythian     makes like a tree and leaves
08:04 Joubu         mtj: I had problems with clickatell? Hum, it had to be someone else, I don't know what is clickatell :)
08:03 littleboss    mtj: Yes
08:03 eythian       Joubu: thanks :D
08:02 Joubu         eythian: I will try to have a look at your new syspref cache patch
08:01 eythian       hi Joubu, alex_a
07:59 rangi         hi Joubu
07:59 rangi         [off] seems not too snarky to me
07:59 Joubu         hello #koha
07:58 rangi         [off] i was gonna reply to it, but hadnt got round to it
07:56 eythian       [off] I hope my snarky reply about the cataloguing interface wasn't too snarky. We shall see.
07:55 alex_a        bonjour
07:44 * cait        runs off to work
07:44 * cait        waves
07:44 wahanui       hello, reiveune
07:44 reiveune      hello
07:37 mtj           i see Joubu had some problems with koha and clickatell, and needed to patch
07:36 mtj           with his GSM box
07:36 mtj           http://search.cpan.org/dist/SMS-Send-DeviceGsm/lib/SMS/Send/DeviceGsm.pm
07:36 mtj           hmm, i think Malik might be better off using this...
07:26 mtj           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze
07:24 mtj           littleboss: you are installing koha using packages, yes?
07:16 Malik____     quite:
07:14 littleboss    hello can help fixing the install for this dep on koha 3.16 Template::Plugin::HtmlToText
07:14 Malik____     nice and thanks now i will start working with Clickatell
07:11 mtj           http://search.cpan.org/~nobull/SMS-Send-Clickatell-0.02/lib/SMS/Send/Clickatell.pm
07:11 mtj           ...and has perl driver too
07:10 mtj           https://www.clickatell.com/test-sms-gateway/
07:10 Malik____     ok let me check
07:09 mtj           Malik____:   clickatell.com looks good for PK
07:04 Malik____     i think GSM has drivers those are compatible with pearl
07:04 Malik____     what
07:03 mtj           ok, then you have a problem
07:03 Malik____     i have tried but there API are not working in Pakistan
07:03 mtj           ...choose a  company, that has a working driver for perl
07:02 Malik____     in GSM device i am using a mobile phone company
07:02 schnydszch    I haven't tried it. I actually wanted to test this, however there are none yet in the Philippines.
07:01 mtj           you need to choose a good SMS company Malik____
07:01 Malik____     i have tried these but i am working with GSM device is it possible to configure this device with koha on ubuntu
07:01 schnydszch    you enable in sms send driver in global system preference the driver for sending your SMS (SMSSendDriver)
06:58 schnydszch    Malik: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Use-the-SMS-Send-driver-to-send-SMS-messages-in-Koha-td5727805.html
06:57 mtompset      Have a great day, #koha schnydszch RTerrenal rangi mtj Malik____ dcook
06:54 Malik____     hello to all i am working with sms configuration in koha so can anyone tell me that how it is possible to send notices to patrons in SMS
06:44 rangi         https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication.html
06:44 schnydszch    okay, I''m setting some cron jobs on mine through webmin, it's easier to manage through an interface :)
06:43 schnydszch    as they say yeah it's a bad idea to backup hourly
06:43 rangi         and nightly full dumps
06:43 rangi         id suggest doing actual replication
06:42 rangi         doing a full backup when the library is in heavy use is not a good idea, if you want it for hourly
06:42 mtompset      schnydszch: The backup script is written for daily purposes, there is nothing hourly. A DB dump hourly is quickest and easiest.
06:42 rangi         so will cause lock ups/ go slows while you are doing it
06:42 Malik____     ok got that
06:42 rangi         bearing in mind it will lock tables etc as its doing it
06:42 rangi         just write a cronjob that dumps the db every hour
06:41 schnydszch    set the settings to do it hourly
06:40 Malik____     but i want hourly backup
06:40 mtompset      Malik____: There is a cronjob installed by default for a package installation that does 2 days automatically.
06:39 Malik____     can any one tell me
06:39 schnydszch    good night to all that's about to go to sleep. Good day to others! :)
06:39 Malik____     how to take schedule backup of koha
06:39 huginn        mtompset: Karma for "manny" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
06:39 mtompset      @karma manny
06:38 schnydszch    you're welcome mtompset
06:38 wahanui       goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
06:38 dcook         night all
06:36 mtompset      RTerrenal++
06:36 huginn        04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues
06:36 bag           just a reminder --> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 if anyone could maybe sign-off that last patch from eythian that would be rad
06:36 mtompset      manny++
06:36 huginn        mtompset: Karma for "everyone" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3.
06:36 Oak           later gbengaadara
06:36 mtompset      @karma everyone
06:36 manny         everyone++
06:35 gbengaadara   bye folks
06:35 Oak           rangi only cait and mtompset need to sleep i think
06:35 mtompset      Thanks to the Filipino contingent that made it: manny schnydszch RTerrenal
06:35 bag           I'm off to bed
06:35 gbengaadara   cait++
06:35 rangi         I'm off to put kids to bed
06:35 Oak           everyone++
06:35 * dcook       sighs over SQL::Translator::Diff
06:35 Oak           bag++
06:35 Oak           cait++
06:35 mtompset      bag++ # subchairing. :)
06:34 mtompset      cait++ # awesome chairing.
06:34 cait          i am going back to bed for a bit before work now :)
06:34 mtompset      -- I was going to say nope, but that's okay. :P
06:34 bag           thanks cait
06:34 cait          thx for staying with me
06:34 BobB          thank you cait
06:34 Oak           :)
06:34 cait          heh thx Oak :)
06:34 huginn        Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1.2014-11-19-05.04.log.html
06:34 huginn        Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1.2014-11-19-05.04.txt
06:34 huginn        Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1.2014-11-19-05.04.html
06:34 huginn        Meeting ended Wed Nov 19 06:34:22 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
06:34 cait          #endmeeting
06:34 * Oak         hugs cait
06:34 cait          anything else?
06:33 mtompset      This is crazy late. :)
06:33 cait          #agreed meeting part 1 suggests December 17th for the next meeting
06:33 mtompset      +1
06:33 mtompset      okay.
06:33 Oak           +1
06:33 cait          any veto?
06:33 bag           +1
06:33 cait          we can suggest a date and leave times to the other meeting heh
06:33 mtj           dec 17 +1
06:33 rangi         Fine by me
06:33 cait          )
06:33 BobB          snap
06:33 BobB          what about Dec 17?
06:33 cait          17th?
06:32 cait          maybe more mid-week?
06:32 Oak           mtompset++
06:32 * mtompset    shrugs.
06:32 cait          ah right, i was looking at november
06:32 mtompset      That's the last friday before Christmas holidays.
06:32 cait          any suggestions on the time?
06:31 cait          should work for me
06:31 rangi         19 December?
06:31 cait          maybe early december?
06:31 cait          i am tired :) any suggestions?
06:30 cait          #topic Set time and date of next General IRC meeting
06:30 cait          i think if not it's probably on his list still :)
06:30 cait          some are on the wiki
06:29 mtompset      Actually, did Tomas get the presentations uploaded?
06:29 cait          so next meeting...
06:29 BobB          all done there cait
06:29 cait          also, we figured out kohacon15... looking good to me on the list
06:28 mtompset      Yes, indeed.
06:27 cait          #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_22_october_2014.2014-10-22-13.05.html
06:27 cait          tcohen++ getting the film done :)
06:27 cait          cheking
06:27 mtompset      Were there any actions?
06:27 cait          #topic  Actions from General IRC meeting 22 October 2014
06:27 cait          hm getting too tired
06:27 cait          #info Actions from General IRC meeting 22 October 2014
06:26 cait          move on?
06:26 cait          #info we generally like the idea, but no volunteer yet
06:26 cait          heh
06:26 cait          i think it could be good, but i am not listening to it regularly
06:26 rangi         As long as it's not me, I'm for it
06:25 Oak           [off] WAKE UP magnuse!
06:25 mtompset      But yes, seems like a good idea to me. :)
06:25 mtompset      Sounds like a Communications Manager thing. ;)
06:25 cait          any thoughts? :)
06:25 cait          who is sleeping now... tsk
06:24 cait          this is from magnuse i think
06:24 cait          #topic Koha on FLOSS weekly
06:24 bag           yup moving on
06:24 cait          moving on?
06:23 rangi         thanks gbengaadara
06:23 gbengaadara   we will update both the wiki and http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/getting-to-ibadan/
06:23 mtompset      gbengaadara: You might want to fix the dates section. :)
06:23 huginn        dcook: ribasushi was last seen in #koha 4 days, 22 hours, 23 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <ribasushi> dcook: can you tell me where in the docs does it say that chaining will work the way you expected? can't seem to find it...
06:23 dcook         @seen ribasushi
06:22 gbengaadara   noted oak
06:22 Oak           but October may not be hot i guess.
06:22 Oak           and maybe what to pack specific to your part of the world, for example, sunscreen?
06:22 schnydszch    rangi, its posted here http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/getting-to-ibadan/ but if the community wants a more detailed one then please Olug :)
06:21 gbengaadara   thanks
06:21 gbengaadara   noted @rangi
06:21 rangi         but no other questions
06:21 rangi         helps when researching flights/prices
06:20 rangi         like what airport is closest, etc
06:20 rangi         gbengaadara: if you could put up travel info asap that would be great
06:20 mtompset      Nope. just a little sad that the Philippines didn't get their bid in on time. But we have 2016 already under way. :)
06:20 rangi         liw++
06:19 wahanui       Questions are good :)
06:19 gbengaadara   Questions??
06:19 Oak           gbengaadara++
06:19 liw           http://imgur.com/ZfFPZjt may be amusing
06:19 cait          thx gbengaadara for doing it
06:19 gbengaadara   and great thanks for allowing us to host this
06:18 gbengaadara   We will keep the community posted as we move forward
06:18 cait          #info http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon15
06:18 cait          rangi++
06:18 gbengaadara   thanks rangi and cait
06:17 cait          we can help figure it out
06:17 cait          gbengaadara: sure, just jump in here when there is a wiki problem
06:17 rangi         its all ready for you to start editing :)
06:17 rangi         gbengaadara: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon15
06:16 rangi         yep, its a great place to put notes etc as you are planning things
06:16 gbengaadara   May need help about that though
06:16 gbengaadara   and can edit that.
06:16 gbengaadara   I just learnt today we can create the conference wiki page
06:16 cait          any questions for gbengaadara?
06:15 gbengaadara   Thanks cait
06:15 cait          gbengaadara++ sounds good
06:15 cait          #link http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/
06:14 mtompset      http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/
06:13 gbengaadara   and follow the usual Kohacon pattern for conference and hackfest
06:12 gbengaadara   We have a suggestion to host from 19th Oct. to 25th Oct
06:12 gbengaadara   ok then
06:11 cait          late #info s are always ok too
06:11 BobB          hi olug
06:11 gbengaadara   hi all
06:11 mtj           hiya gbengaadara :)
06:11 cait          it's alright :) the meetings are at weird times
06:10 gbengaadara   I did not just want jump in
06:10 rangi         it must be early for you gbengaadara
06:10 gbengaadara   Sorry was late
06:10 gbengaadara   yes
06:10 cait          gbengaadara: ?
06:10 cait          i am not sure, is someone from Nigeria here?
06:09 cait          #topic KohaCon15
06:09 bag           thank you very much BobB
06:09 BobB          np
06:09 Oak           BobB++
06:09 cait          moving on?
06:09 cait          BobB++ thx
06:09 cait          #action BobB will email the mailing list about the new roles
06:09 BobB          yes I can
06:08 cait          is somonewilling to write to the ml ?:)
06:08 BobB          yep
06:08 cait          #agreed Look for a Wiki Curator and Communication manager
06:08 cait          what can i put in the agreed?
06:07 Oak           yes! i was thinking same thing.
06:07 BobB          good point bag
06:07 bag           I think part of the call for volunteers - will be they get to help create and shape this role too
06:06 cait          ok, any veto?
06:06 schnydszch    *other media
06:06 schnydszch    media as in TV, newspaper and radio?
06:06 bag           +1
06:06 rangi         *nod*
06:06 BobB          if we find people to fill them its a win, if we don't nothing is lost
06:06 mtompset      but back on topic... yes, let's put that out on the list for a call for nominations.
06:06 rangi         minute that at least
06:06 rangi         should we agree on the positions?
06:05 cait          Oak++ :)
06:05 mtompset      true, true. :)
06:05 rangi         thats pr people and pr people :)
06:05 rangi         i think calling people on fox news journalists is a huge disservice to journalists :)
06:05 bag           awesome Oak !!!
06:05 Oak           Fox News.... really bad example
06:05 cait          :)
06:05 mtompset      both journalists and pr people lie, rangi. Fox News. ;)
06:04 Oak           i feel like i can do that.
06:04 mtompset      Okay, I think I got it.
06:04 rangi         more like a journalist than a pr person ... we dont expect them to actually lie ;-)
06:04 rangi         you know when you see somethign come across the list, 1000 libraries in turkey using koha .. someone who follows that up, finds out more info, gets it more widely circulated etc
06:04 BobB          #info, if agreed to, these roles would be defined and advertised on the list: a call for nominations
06:03 bag           Oak +1
06:03 BobB          Oak +1
06:03 Oak           when you choose that person, i can be his/her assistant.
06:03 BobB          necessarily
06:02 BobB          but not to do stuff, oneself
06:02 mtompset      Public Relations person?
06:02 rangi         yes
06:02 BobB          a coordinator of stuff that is already happening, and a stirrer to make more stuff happen
06:02 cait          help us do good things AND actually talk about it? :)
06:02 rangi         thats a whole other thing
06:02 rangi         no
06:01 mtompset      A Koha Evangelist?
06:01 BobB          its broader imo
06:01 cait          mtompset:  i think reaching into other media/places a bit more
06:01 BobB          rangi ++
06:01 mtompset      Isn't that part of what the newsletter folks are doing? or is that something more than that?
06:01 BobB          liaise with the newsletter eds, bash people to write articles, etc
06:00 rangi         they dont have to write it, but they can learn who to ask to write things, and then where to send them
06:00 cait          nudge people to get their news into the newsletter.. on the blog... write something up etc
06:00 BobB          I mailed the list about it but don't have that to hand ....
06:00 rangi         press releases, get info out about the releases to places like librarytechnology.org etc
06:00 rangi         pretty much what coms do at any organisation
05:59 mtompset      What is the idea for a communication manager?
05:59 BobB          #info /Wiki Manager/ Wiki Curator/
05:59 rangi         i like the idea, finding volunteers would be the trick, but we can ask and see if anyone does volunteer
05:59 BobB          oops big correction, gives a whole different sense of, thx mtompset
05:58 BobB          #info who are busy enough already
05:58 mtompset      ^nor^not^
05:58 BobB          #info peeps thought these might be available to Librarians rather than developers ...
05:58 mtompset      The agenda says curator nor maintainer. ;)
05:58 BobB          #info and a Communications Manager
05:58 BobB          #info the proposal is to establish a Wiki Maintainer as a member of the release team
05:57 BobB          #info This arose from the same discussion
05:57 cait          #topic Establish new roles within the release team
05:57 * mtompset    likes that idea.
05:56 cait          #idea use the next meeting to have more discussion, past and future on the road map
05:56 BobB          yep, ok
05:56 cait          moving on?
05:56 cait          first retro and road map meeting than?
05:56 BobB          :)
05:56 mtompset      So it aligns nicely.
05:56 BobB          exactly mtompset
05:55 cait          i think the general response was positive - souns good tome too
05:55 mtompset      Actually won't the next meeting be after the release?
05:55 bag           maybe at the next meeting - we do it
05:55 rangi         sounds good to me BobB
05:55 BobB          #idea so we could endorse the idea today, and list it for more discussion at the next meeting?
05:55 cait          i like that
05:55 Oak           +1
05:55 cait          +1
05:55 rangi         and update the roadmpa at that
05:55 cait          #idea Have a retrospective meeting as part of the release process
05:55 rangi         what went well, what didnt, what can we do better
05:55 Oak           yes!
05:54 rangi         so part of the release process can be a retrospective meeting
05:54 cait          sounds good to me
05:54 rangi         for now, lets focus our energy on it, and people can write notes and we can look at them post release
05:54 cait          thought we could collect some ideas
05:54 BobB          there might be big bugs, but certainly not every bug, or even close
05:53 rangi         cait: we dont have to decide that til after the release
05:53 cait          or many bugs :)
05:53 cait          hm I think as we are collectiing more general ideas, there might not be bugs
05:53 mtompset      from bugzilla?
05:53 cait          but i think then the next question would be - how do we get started?
05:52 bag           +1
05:52 BobB          #info but that its maintenance can also be a continuous process
05:52 cait          I'd like to try it :)
05:52 BobB          #info that the meeting after each major release could consider updates to the road map
05:52 cait          sorry BobB
05:52 rangi         so its not fixed, always moving, more of a aspirational list than a roadmap
05:52 * dcook       likes this idea
05:52 cait          #info the idea is to reevaluate after each release
05:52 BobB          #info It was also suggested ..
05:52 BobB          oh yeah, thx rangi
05:51 rangi         the idea is its reevaluated after each major release
05:51 Oak           an aerial view :)
05:51 BobB          that's it
05:51 BobB          #info with a link to a separate page where the full RFC might be
05:50 BobB          #info It was suggested the Road Map could have just  a brief description of each proposal ...
05:50 BobB          #info The suggestion is to include both proposed new features and also plumbing improvements
05:50 mtompset      functionality plans?
05:49 cait          so more.. general things we work towards to than a schedule?
05:49 BobB          #info so people can see what is coming up, but not necessarily when it might get there
05:48 BobB          so it becomes a bit of a strategic plan for the code, if you like
05:48 BobB          #info not linked to any one release
05:48 BobB          #info the idea is to have a road map that is not time linked,
05:47 cait          #link  http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.12
05:47 BobB          so now
05:47 BobB          but if features were held up it got messy
05:47 BobB          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.12
05:47 BobB          we used to have release specific roadmaps, like this:
05:46 BobB          this arose on the sidelines of KohaCon14
05:46 cait          BobB: do you want to explain a bit?
05:46 mtompset      :)
05:46 cait          can't leave that typo in
05:46 mtompset      ^roat^road^
05:46 cait          #topic Establish a road map for Koha
05:46 cait          sec
05:46 cait          #topic Establish a roat map for Koha
05:46 cait          koha++
05:45 cait          we almost got a release team!
05:45 cait          first part of the meeting is done with elections now :)
05:45 mtj           heh, indeed mtompset :0)
05:45 bag           yeah that would
05:45 cait          #agreed Release Maintainer 3.16: Mason James
05:45 mtompset      Because it would be super weird to not have a 3.16 RM. :)
05:45 RTerrenal     +1
05:45 clint_        +1
05:45 rangi         +1
05:45 BobB          +1
05:45 Oak           +1
05:45 cait          +1
05:45 mtompset      And yes... +1 for mtj as 3.16
05:44 bag           +1 for mtj for 3.16
05:44 cait          so please vote on rmaint for 3.16 - candidate is Mason James
05:44 Oak           :)
05:44 cait          all good
05:44 cait          ok, my browser was being werid
05:44 Oak           added him here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20
05:44 mtompset      I do.
05:44 cait          hm don't see mtj on the wiki yet?
05:43 mtompset      Conflict of interest, manny. :P
05:43 manny         + 1 mtompset
05:43 mtj           aah, # unchair -> http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html
05:43 mtompset      Nah. I can't commit.
05:43 cait          do you want to add yourself?
05:43 cait          mtompset: that might be right :)
05:42 mtompset      Reading the job description, every so often, I guess I feel like one.
05:42 rangi         +1
05:42 cait          #agreed Bug Wrangler: Magnus Enger
05:42 BobB          magnuse +1
05:42 mtompset      +1
05:42 cait          +1 :)
05:42 RTerrenal     +1
05:42 Oak           +1
05:42 bag           oh yeah!!! +1 magnuse!
05:41 cait          Plase vote: Bug Wrangler - Magnus Enger
05:41 cait          Last but not least before we go back to the top: Bug Wranglers
05:41 bag           BobB++
05:41 BobB          #standup?
05:41 cait          #agreed Packaging Manager: Robin Sheat
05:41 bag           HA!
05:41 bag           #dechair
05:40 Oak           +1
05:40 bag           +1
05:40 clint_        +1
05:40 cait          +1
05:40 mtompset      +1 -- eythian rocks.
05:40 cait          mtompset: i odn't know, but you can have a list of people chairing
05:40 BobB          +1
05:40 cait          Please vote on Packaging Manager: Robin Sheat
05:40 mtompset      then how do you unchair?
05:40 bag           oh yeah :P
05:40 cait          i am still :)
05:40 huginn        Current chairs: bag cait
05:40 bag           #chair cait
05:40 cait          #agreed QA team: Marcel de Rooy, Jonathan Druart, Paul Poulain, Christopher Brannon, Brendan Gallagher, Martin Renvoize, Kyle M Hall
05:39 bag           #agreed Quality Assurance (QA) Team (all listed on the wiki)
05:39 mtj           +1 for all
05:39 BobB          no objections
05:39 clint_        no objection
05:39 cait          i will start typing :)
05:39 mtompset      Nope. :)
05:39 bag           objections?
05:39 BobB          QA team +1
05:39 bag           yes you can :D
05:38 cait          i think i can? +1 :)
05:38 cait          :)
05:38 cait          I am quite happy with the list
05:38 bag           no vote
05:38 BobB          and RM has final call
05:38 mtompset      Okay, given that clarified criteria, and rangi's vote of confidence... I'm +1 for all.
05:38 bag           he wants to start small - not QAing the large patches - but the smaller ones
05:38 rangi         Bbiab
05:37 rangi         All the qa team including Christopher Brannon have my vote
05:37 bag           I've learned more when I vounteered to be a QA person
05:37 mtompset      We should all do signoffs.
05:37 mtompset      AMEN!
05:37 cait          but we all shoudl do sign offs... right? :)
05:37 cait          i think a decent amount of sign offs before would be good
05:37 bag           IMO mtompset I think as long as you volunteer - then lets give it a shot
05:36 * rangi       is sorta here dealing with kids
05:36 cait          i think we don't have a strict rule currently
05:36 cait          ah forgot bag is also on the list - so much for the plan :)
05:36 mtompset      What does it take to be considered for QA? how long should you have worked on/with Koha?
05:35 mtompset      The "would like to be considered"
05:35 bag           yes go ahead mtompset
05:35 bag           Kyle M Hall (continuing)
05:35 bag           Martin Renvoize (continuing)
05:35 bag           Brendan Gallagher (continuing - some months stronger than others ;) )
05:35 bag           Christopher Brannon (would like to be considered)
05:35 bag           Paul Poulain (continuing)
05:35 bag           Jonathan Druart (continuing)
05:35 bag           Marcel de Rooy (continuing)
05:35 mtompset      Just a quick question.
05:35 bag           (pasting in names - one sec)
05:35 schnydszch    i saw some of the QA in the very nice video produced by UNC (Argentina)
05:35 bag           please vote for the whole team for -->  Quality Assurance (QA) Team
05:34 bag           #agreed Quality Assurance (QA) Manager - Katrin Fischer
05:34 RTerrenal     +1
05:33 manny         +1
05:33 schnydszch    +1
05:33 mtompset      +1 -- like that is hard to vote on. :)
05:33 bag           +1
05:33 bag           [off] was typing
05:33 BobB          +1
05:33 mtompset      cait++ # nice removing conflict of interest.
05:33 bag           Please vote on the Quality Assurance (QA) Manager - Katrin Fischer
05:32 BobB          Good procedure Koha, ++
05:32 * cait        pokes bag
05:32 bag           umm ok
05:32 * cait        hands voting for qa over to bag ;)
05:31 huginn        Current chairs: bag cait
05:31 cait          #chair bag
05:31 cait          #agreed (Database) Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard
05:31 Oak           +1
05:31 BobB          +1
05:31 schnydszch    very much +1 for Nicole Engard
05:31 RTerrenal     +1
05:31 manny         +1
05:31 clint_        +1
05:31 cait          +1
05:31 bag           +1
05:31 cait          So please vote for (Database) Documentation manager, candidate is Nicole Engard
05:30 mtompset      nicole is the queen of documentation. +1
05:30 Oak           ok :)
05:30 cait          i'd like to vote documentation togehter, that ok?
05:30 mtj           ok for me Oak :)
05:30 * mtompset    laughs.
05:30 cait          i will just continue and put you at the end - in case you change your mind ;)
05:30 Oak           i can do it so mtj can focus on the meeting?
05:29 mtj           yes, will do cait
05:29 mtompset      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20
05:29 cait          mtj: do you want to add yourself to the wiki?
05:29 cait          #agreed Translation manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel
05:29 mtompset      +1
05:29 BobB          +1
05:29 mtompset      mtj++ # stepping it up nicely!
05:29 bag           +1
05:29 mtompset      Really?!
05:29 wahanui       That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, bag
05:29 bag           awesome
05:29 bag           mtj++
05:29 mtj           hey cait, i would be happy to do 3.16 RMaint role
05:28 mtj           next to NZ :p
05:28 cait          BobB, mtj - where is Australia? :)
05:27 mtompset      I have a question about the QA team, that's all. nothing negative. :)
05:27 Oak           +1
05:27 cait          oh?
05:27 mtompset      +1 to everything... until we hit QA team. :)
05:27 bag           +1 go bernardo !
05:27 cait          +1 :)
05:27 cait          Please vote on Translation manager - Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel
05:26 schnydszch    +1 to all also no objection
05:26 cait          Translation manager - comments or questions?
05:26 cait          moving on
05:26 cait          #agreed Module Maintainers: Martin Renvoize (Auth), Colin Campbell (SIP), Kyle M Hall (Holds), Galen Charlton (Patron Privacy)
05:26 mtompset      Okay, then I'm all in. :) +1 to all.
05:26 cait          he usually comments on the sip patches too
05:25 bag           yeah
05:25 cait          yep, even qa manager
05:25 bag           he was a QA person awhile ago too
05:25 cait          colin works for ptfs europe, he has some plumbing/architecture patches in too, improving code
05:25 bag           colin has done a lot with SIP
05:24 cait          (sip tends to get stuck a bit)
05:24 mtompset      What other work has Colin done?
05:24 cait          especially happy about patron privacy and sip :)
05:24 Oak           +1 to all
05:24 cait          +1 to all from me too
05:24 bag           +1
05:24 clint_        no objection
05:23 BobB          +1 to all
05:23 cait          Please vote on the module maintainers as listed on the wiki (auth, sip, holds, patron privacy)
05:23 bag           no objection
05:22 cait          paul_p
05:22 cait          siileeence :)
05:22 mtompset      Who is PP?
05:22 cait          any questions for comments before we vote?
05:22 cait          Next are the module maintainers, please refer to the wiki for those :)
05:21 cait          #agreed  Release Maintainers: 3.18 - Chris Cormack and 3.14 - Fridolin Somers
05:21 BobB          +2  :)
05:21 clint_        +1 +1
05:21 bag           +1 +1
05:20 Oak           +1 +1
05:20 mtompset      Unless someone objects, I don't see why not.
05:20 cait          +1 +1 for me as well, no objections :)
05:20 cait          is that ok, if we do a group vote?
05:20 mtompset      +1 for both.
05:19 cait          Please vote for the listed Release Maintainers - we got 3.18 - Chris Cormack and 3.14 Fridolin Somers (cont.)
05:19 cait          #agreed Meeting part 1 elects Tomas Cohen Arazi for release manager of 3.20
05:18 RTerrenal     +1
05:18 schnydszch    +1
05:18 clint_        +1
05:18 BobB          +1
05:18 mtompset      +1
05:18 bag           +1
05:18 Oak           +1
05:18 cait          +1 !
05:18 mtompset      tcohen++ # most assuredly.
05:17 cait          Vote for Release manager please - candidate is Tomas Cohen Arazi
05:17 bag           tcohen++
05:17 bag           yes
05:17 Oak           tcohen++
05:17 cait          tcohen++
05:17 bag           +1 for them all - no objections
05:17 cait          First, I am very happy that we got tcohen to do it again :)
05:17 Oak           yes. raising hands won't work sadly.
05:17 cait          so let's get started then :)
05:17 mtompset      sounds good to me.
05:17 cait          the usual? i put the names and everyone +1 -1?
05:16 cait          any preference on how to vote?
05:16 cait          but as the release is next week ... I think we should still vote :)
05:16 cait          #info Wanted: 3.16 Release maintainer
05:15 cait          you will all notice... we still lack a 3.16 rmaint
05:15 cait          #info Nominations are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20
05:15 mtompset      Is there a page listing people?
05:15 cait          #topic Elections!
05:14 cait          ok :)
05:14 mtj           go for it cait
05:14 bag           sure thing
05:14 cait          i'd like to get those done before discussing the other topics
05:14 schnydszch    #info Eugene Espinoza House of Representatives Library
05:13 cait          would it be ok if we did the elections next?
05:13 bag           that should maybe be the last thing that we need for perhaps running the staff-side safely on plack
05:13 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues
05:13 cait          #info bug 11998 is waiting for sign off - syspref caching issues
05:13 huginn        04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues
05:13 bag           I'd like it if someone could look at http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998
05:13 cait          anything else?
05:12 Oak           Amen.
05:12 cait          ... and also 3.18 is gonna rock :)
05:12 cait          #info There is a list of critical bugs to be solved before release on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Critical_circ_bugs
05:11 cait          #info Release 3.18 is on 28th next week
05:11 cait          #info String Freeze for 3.18 is on 20th this week
05:11 bag           cait++
05:11 mtompset      [off] you were fine, Katrin.
05:11 cait          ok, do we have any release managers or maints around?
05:10 cait          [off] don't get me started thinking about my facial expressions and broken english again
05:10 cait          me neither, hope that's ok
05:10 dcook         [off] But rangi has a great facial expression at 3:02
05:10 cait          #info Koha, a community - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHav6PL_4Bo&feature=youtu.be A video made during KohaCon14 in Argentina got published yesterday
05:09 * dcook       isn't sure how you want to add that officially :)
05:09 dcook         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHav6PL_4Bo&feature=youtu.be
05:09 cait          does someone have the link for an #info?
05:09 Oak           yes!
05:09 cait          right :)
05:09 mtompset      tcohen did an awesome video?
05:08 cait          #topic Update on releases (3.8 - 3.18)
05:08 cait          any announcements? :)
05:08 mtj           #info Mason James, NZ
05:08 RTerrenal     #info Ryan Terrenal National library of the Philippines
05:08 cait          #topic Announcements
05:07 cait          poked people can do their infos later :)
05:07 cait          :) ok movig on
05:07 * BobB        pokes mtj
05:07 clint_        #info Clint Anact
05:07 clint_        yes
05:07 * cait        waits a moment longer for #info s
05:07 cait          hi clint_ - here for the meeting?
05:06 * mtompset    pokes RTerrenal
05:06 BobB          :)
05:06 bag           heya BobB
05:06 Oak           #info Arslan Farooq, Pakistan
05:05 manny         #info Manny, I am Koha- Philippines
05:05 * cait        waits for a moment
05:05 BobB          hi all, I just came in
05:05 * mtompset    pokes RTerrenal and manny
05:05 cait          ok, small meeting :)
05:05 dcook         #info David Cook, Prosentient Systems
05:05 BobB          #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia
05:05 cait          #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
05:04 bag           #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater
05:04 mtompset      #info Mark Tompsett, Canadian contributor.
05:04 cait          hi, please all introduce yourself with #info
05:04 wahanui       #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
05:04 cait          #topic introductions
05:04 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1'
05:04 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
05:04 huginn        Meeting started Wed Nov 19 05:04:15 2014 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
05:04 cait          #startmeeting General IRC meeting 19 November 2014 - part 1
05:04 dcook         (Damned "double precision" will stop create_ddl_dir() from doing a SQL diff...)
05:03 Oak           :)
05:03 cait          ok
05:03 cait          :)
05:03 cait          sshhh Oak
05:03 cait          6 am here
05:03 mtompset      It's midnight here. Not I. :)
05:03 Oak           did you brush your teeth?
05:03 cait          if noone else more awake wants to :)
05:03 cait          i think i can
05:02 mtompset      cait: Are you chairing?
05:01 wahanui       dcook: that doesn't look right
05:01 dcook         Change the code dcook...not the POD
05:01 dcook         Ahhh
05:01 dcook         Man DBIC...
05:00 cait          thanks bag
05:00 bag           cait  http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_19_November_2014
04:59 cait          i better go look for the agenda :)
04:59 cait          ok
04:59 mtompset      I count 1 minute to meeting plus or minus a minute. :)
04:59 cait          :)
04:59 bag           I think we are having a meeting
04:58 cait          are we having a meeting or can i go back to sleep? :)
04:58 cait          heya
04:57 bag           heya cait
04:56 * cait        waves
04:54 mtompset      I'm indifferent, though I can see a benefit for those who actually use koha-gitify.
04:54 mtj           how do people feel about getting the koha-* CLI tools working with koha-gitify?
04:48 RTerrenal     reading now
04:48 mtompset      Ryan, have you read the agenda for the meeting? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_19_November_2014
04:47 bag           :)
04:46 mtompset      Hopefully we can pull in a Filipino contingent today. :)
04:45 mtompset      He said he is here, but I don't know his nickname.
04:43 Oak           wdk
04:43 RTerrenal     idk
04:41 mtompset      Ryan, where's Eugene?
04:40 mtj           hiya RTerrenal
04:40 mtj           looks like koha-translate could be patched to take non-default paths, pretty easily
04:39 mtompset      Glad to see you online here, Ryan. :)
04:39 mtompset      Greetings, RTerrenal. :)
04:35 RTerrenal     hello everyone
04:35 dcook         Hmm, I don't think SQL::Translator likes "double precision" in itemtypes...
04:34 mtj           ...assumes /usr/share/koha
04:34 mtj           nah, koha-translate doesnt work for gitify setup
04:28 mtompset      wouldn't it be the same after you make it a git?
04:27 mtj           does anyone have a method for building langs, for a koha-gitify koha?
04:27 mtompset      Did anyone see my inquiry that circles about C4::Letters::EnqueueLetter?
04:24 * mtompset    waves back to Oak.
04:21 mtj           ah, i see it now :)
04:21 * Oak         waves
04:20 eythian       <eythian> http://search.cpan.org/~ferreira/Carp-Always-0.13/lib/Carp/Always.pm <-- oh handy
04:20 Oak           tcohen++
04:20 mtj           fyi, i cant see your previous post  eythian
04:20 dcook         maybe
04:20 huginn        Oak: tcohen was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <tcohen> jcamins++ # liguistic aid
04:20 Oak           @seen tcohen
04:20 dcook         I suppose the way to do it would be to create a new schema using this dump... then dump it using mysql and see how that compares against kohastructure.sql...
04:20 mtj           will do eythian
04:18 eythian       mtj: see the link to Carp::Always I posted, run the script from the command line with that loaded, it'll give you a stack trace when it dies.
04:17 dcook         But how many are just because they're in different spots in the document..
04:17 dcook         480 differences between the dumped file and kohastructure.sql
04:16 dcook         Hmm, I wonder how it decides what order to do..
04:16 mtj           bootstrap and IT lang - thats good :)
04:15 mtj           well... i cant replicate my bug on BL koha (3.17.00.016)
04:14 dcook         Then again..
04:14 dcook         Hmm, no warnings or errors, but that was too fast...
04:14 dcook         I foresee perhaps one other problem... but fingers crossed
04:11 dcook         I should really keep my story straight
04:11 dcook         indeed!
04:11 dcook         hehe
04:11 eythian       not bollocks, butts.
04:11 dcook         I had a feeling that might be a problem
04:11 dcook         DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::create_ddl_dir(): Can't create a ddl file without SQL::Translator >= 0.11016
04:11 dcook         Bollocks
04:10 dcook         All right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W6as8oVcuM
04:08 dcook         Or in a pinch, manually
04:08 dcook         Which can be managed more automagically by DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned
04:08 dcook         But if you've included verisons in your code, and in the method call, you can get "diffs" for upgrading too
04:07 dcook         create_ddl_dir() will give you a dump of the whole database
04:07 dcook         Mmm, I think I understand now
04:06 dcook         Seems a shame not to take more advantage of DBIC for managing upgrades
04:06 dcook         I think I get it though
04:06 dcook         But the Cookbook seems slightly different to the POD for the classes
04:06 dcook         nah, it's all DBIC documentation
04:05 mtompset      Liblime's? ;)
04:05 dcook         Hmm, depending on which documentation I choose to follow...
04:04 dcook         Sorry. Not following. I'm going to go try to explode my server now :)
04:03 dcook         o_O
04:03 mtompset      marcxml is a good catchall.
04:03 mtompset      Every possible MARC field/subfield is not represented in the physical data structures.
04:01 dcook         mtompset: O_o?
04:01 mtj           hum, bug happens with prog theme too
04:01 mtompset      dcook: The problem with everyone having different standards is you need a place to dump values that don't make it to fields.
04:01 dcook         I think I see the purpose of Koha::Database now as handling the connection..
04:00 * mtompset    is pleased at a duplication removal.
04:00 dcook         Although getting rid of biblioitems.marcxml would be cool too...
04:00 mtompset      oh.
04:00 eythian       sorry :)
04:00 dcook         Or dismantle the flux capacitor :p
04:00 eythian       heh
04:00 dcook         I was going to say after we invert the OPAC
04:00 dcook         Darn, eythian
04:00 eythian       mtompset: try re-reading
04:00 wajasu        whoa!
04:00 mtompset      how?
03:59 dcook         eythian: sweeeet
03:59 mtompset      getting rid of biblioitems.marcxml?!
03:59 * mtj         switches themes...
03:59 eythian       dcook: oh, apparently we are getting rid of biblioitems.marc
03:59 mtompset      I would check log files if you are getting a 500.
03:58 eythian       that's not something I would expect bootstrap to cause
03:58 mtj           "NetworkError: 500 Internal Server Error - http://mykohaxxx/cgi-bin/koha/svc/shelfbrowser.pl"
03:58 mtj           the left/right buttons are giving me 500 errors
03:56 mtj           opac shelfbrowser, specifically
03:56 mtj           does anyone have problems with the shelfbrowser in bootstrap, for non-EN langs?
03:55 mtj           ill try the BL vm's - for a start
03:55 mtompset      Koha::Email?
03:54 mtj           yo AmitG
03:53 AmitG         hi mtj
03:53 mtj           hey #koha, is there a good koha-master for testing, on the webs?
03:53 AmitG         chris around?
03:52 dcook         No idea why we have a Koha::Schema and a Koha::Database...
03:49 dcook         Oooh. I see that we have the Perl module there...
03:48 amit_         hi rangi
03:48 amit_         heya chris_n
03:48 dcook         But that would just be to dump the whole schema I think
03:47 dcook         Hmm, looks like the deploy() method generates the SQL...
03:42 dcook         A bit scary at first
03:42 dcook         DBIC itself is actually pretty decent :)
03:42 dcook         Oh, I meant in terms of deploying the schema
03:41 wizzyrea      ^ probably explains it's lack of wide adoption
03:35 dcook         Hmm, not as automagical as one would hope
03:28 dcook         Whenever we talk about DBIC and kohastructure.sql, we say "for now", but I don't know if anyone is actually planning to deprecate kohastructure.sql...
03:28 dcook         All right, I'm going to experiment more with DBIC
03:26 dcook         which is actually an office...
03:26 dcook         No three Os in this house
03:26 dcook         Cool*
03:26 dcook         Coool beans :)
03:21 wajasu        yeah!
03:21 rangi         yep
03:20 wajasu        hopefully it will set the charset to utf8  for header Subject, and Attachment filename.
03:20 wahanui       niihau, bag
03:20 bag           hola
03:17 wizzyrea      and boy do we like consistency
03:17 rangi         but it does it consistently
03:17 rangi         return path, reply to, from etc
03:17 rangi         all it does is handle the headers so far
03:17 rangi         yep, it should be in master now
03:16 dcook         I thought I saw it the other day
03:16 dcook         rangi: Did you get Koha::Email in?
03:14 wizzyrea      right thanks
03:14 rangi         yep
03:14 rangi         yeah
03:14 wizzyrea      and hold placed emails
03:14 wizzyrea      those are queued.
03:14 wizzyrea      suggestion mails I reckon wouldn't go out
03:14 rangi         if you really wanted all mail off, you could switch off postfix :-)
03:13 dcook         The password thing not the 264 thing
03:13 * dcook       doesn't want to know how many people have it turned on..
03:13 wizzyrea      ok thank you all for your excellent advice.
03:13 wizzyrea      so bad and wrong.
03:13 wizzyrea      yeah true.
03:13 rangi         but at least its off by default
03:13 * wizzyrea    imagines rangi slipping with his code scalpel "oops I nuked your password sendy-thing!"
03:13 dcook         bug 12725 looks weird...
03:12 rangi         its bad wrong and evil
03:12 rangi         that emails people when you make their account
03:12 wizzyrea      oh right
03:12 rangi         for staff side
03:12 rangi         its the feature you can switch on
03:12 rangi         self reg is tokens
03:12 wizzyrea      oh. right selfreg.
03:12 wizzyrea      passwords!
03:12 rangi         or at least timelimit them
03:12 rangi         ah yeah, we should just accidentally stop it sending those at all
03:11 eythian       passwords
03:11 rangi         i think is about it nowadays
03:11 rangi         lists/carts
03:11 rangi         anything that doesnt use the queue
03:11 eythian       some bad, naughty things
03:11 eythian       there are some things that don't use the mail queue
03:10 rangi         lists will still go
03:10 wizzyrea      hehe I read the intent of that :)
03:10 dcook         I mean the first question
03:10 dcook         wizzyrea: That's a good question
03:09 wizzyrea      hm, if you turn off email in Koha, does it still email lists and things, or does it not send any email at all? Also, how did I not know this before.
03:08 dcook         Huh..
03:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12725 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Show RDA tag 264 on Intranet Results and Detail XSLT view (MARC21)
03:08 dcook         bug 12725
03:04 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11891 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Make Koha::Schema use C4::Context->dbh
03:04 dcook         bug 11891
02:59 dcook         Mmm biblioitems timestamp isn't the same as the biblio timestamp
02:57 dcook         Hmm... no idea why these records are getting selected now though..
02:55 dcook         Some might only add/edit a couple records, and some are crazy busy...
02:55 dcook         It's actually kind of neat harvesting records from several different Koha instances per day via OAI...
02:44 dcook         I can never remember what that one is for
02:44 eythian       yes, we still have MARC there
02:44 eythian       heh
02:43 dcook         Three dedicated dcooks
02:43 * dcook       wishes that he could scale himself
02:43 dcook         We still have the MARC blob, eh..
02:43 * dcook       looks in biblioitems
02:43 dcook         Yet not having records in a million places...
02:42 dcook         I think the paranoia in me would struggle with it a bit
02:42 dcook         Yeah, using ES for storage would be interesting
02:42 eythian       if we ever put things into ES that are only in ES, then definitely
02:41 eythian       maybe not for koha, but in general for ES
02:41 eythian       yeah
02:41 eythian       I'm not going to just yet though
02:41 dcook         So in production you'd have three dedicated ES servers?
02:41 eythian       I'd like to make the indexer multithreaded to work well on big systems
02:40 eythian       yeah, it'd be good on them
02:40 dcook         Righto
02:40 dcook         I would love that for some of our million record catalogues..
02:40 eythian       That's planning for it in a cloudy cloud type environment
02:40 dcook         Oooo :D
02:40 eythian       Nah, ES does it automagically.
02:40 dcook         Would love that..
02:39 dcook         Hence all the load balancing stuff you've been doing as well, eh?
02:39 eythian       which it will
02:39 eythian       well, that's just saying it'll scale better
02:39 eythian       it'll also be faster under load
02:39 eythian       it's less important for Koha where you can regenerate everything
02:39 dcook         I was just about to ask besides redundnacy
02:39 eythian       data safety, mostly
02:39 dcook         Why's that?
02:39 dcook         ^I've been wondering about that
02:38 eythian       well, a minimum of three
02:38 eythian       ES requires three servers for production
02:38 dcook         ES is pretty rad
02:38 mtj           eythian:  wow, it looks like ES can use lucene lanaguage-analyzers too
02:38 * dcook       wants an extra server at work just for him to play with...
02:37 dcook         Those were my two thoughts as well :)
02:37 wizzyrea      that probably has more to do with the hardware :P
02:37 dcook         Excellent
02:37 eythian       this is not a production ES install running here :)
02:37 eythian       probably not much, koha itself will have a bigger overhead.
02:37 dcook         Getting 19897 results in about 5 seconds with Zebra on a different system
02:36 dcook         I'm getting 8639 results in about 5 seconds with ES
02:36 dcook         Hmm, what sort of speed differences should there be?
02:35 dcook         Maybe :)
02:35 eythian       That might be important
02:35 dcook         Weird book
02:35 dcook         Z for Zachariah, eh?
02:35 eythian       the database count and the number indexed differ.
02:34 dcook         Just tried a local-number:*
02:34 dcook         8639
02:34 eythian       8639
02:34 dcook         Ahh
02:34 eythian       hmm
02:34 eythian       8679
02:34 dcook         ~500?
02:34 dcook         Hmm, how many records in this catalogue, eythian?
02:30 mtj           yeah, an impressive list already
02:30 eythian       mtj: I'd be interested in experimenting with that
02:29 wizzyrea      I MAY JUST. :)
02:29 eythian       feel free to fix that if you want :)
02:29 eythian       the database has no users currently, so that's tricky :)
02:29 mtj           interesting -> http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/analysis-lang-analyzer.html
02:29 wizzyrea      hm, this test data should be sure to have some items that aren't available
02:28 eythian       yeah, they should be getting indexed, but not searched yet
02:28 wizzyrea      and I noticed there were no authority searches :P
02:27 eythian       (which is odd, I thought I'd implemented that)
02:27 wizzyrea      yeah, I noticed that one
02:27 eythian       also like the broader/narrower/related subject searches not working
02:27 eythian       roughly :) though, I might create a thing for little weirdnesses like that, so do bring them to my attention.
02:27 wizzyrea      :)
02:27 wizzyrea      in nicer words.
02:27 wizzyrea      what I'm hearing is "keep your grubby hands off of it and be quiet until I say do stuff"
02:26 eythian       code that makes authority searching work ;)
02:26 eythian       hmm
02:26 eythian       I think it's more useful when almost everything is done and there's just polish needed
02:26 wizzyrea      what is helpful now?
02:26 eythian       eventually perhaps, probably not right now
02:25 * wizzyrea    wants to be helpful, and not annoying
02:25 wizzyrea      is that the kind of thing you want us to point out?
02:25 * eythian     steals that phrasing
02:25 eythian       cjh: exactly
02:25 cjh           so it is always sorting by the best case, heh
02:25 dcook         Yeah, there's really no reason to privilege August over Wallace
02:25 eythian       well, it's not a terribly hard thing to change if we want to.
02:25 dcook         Tricksy
02:25 wizzyrea      hehe
02:24 eythian       probably because of Zanuck Company
02:24 eythian       so if you invert the sort, it comes first still
02:24 eythian       oh, it sorts them according to the sort request
02:24 wizzyrea      I accept your explanation, assert that it will still befuddle librarians.
02:24 wizzyrea      aha, interesting
02:23 eythian       (it splits them up for indexing.)
02:23 eythian       Because it has multiple authors, and it's sorting them as well, I guess.
02:23 wizzyrea      mmm but why august and not wallace?
02:22 eythian       It's the alphabet ;)
02:22 eythian       wizzyrea: because august comes after adams
02:22 mtj           woah, awesome eythian :0)
02:22 wizzyrea      one thing I've noticed, search "fish" order by author a-z - why is Big Fish result 2?
02:14 dcook         Or if I need to make those changes, I want to do them soon so that it's not an issue for ES
02:13 dcook         (while also supporting the QP syntax)
02:13 dcook         I'm really keen to find a way to make QP work without requiring any syntactical changes in the templates
02:13 dcook         I guess so
02:13 dcook         hehe
02:12 eythian       hmm, well if you fit into my querybuilder api, then it's all good :)
02:12 dcook         Or possibly easier I suppose
02:12 dcook         Although I think that would make life potentially harder for eythian
02:12 dcook         I really hope I'm able to find time someday to switch us over to using the QueryParser...
02:11 dcook         hehe
02:11 dcook         "It's gonna be weird."
02:11 * dcook       takes a gander
02:10 wizzyrea      oh look at that it even works!
02:09 eythian       http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl <-- there is now an elasticsearch server up and running
02:02 wizzyrea      hehe
02:02 schnydszch    i saw that Kombucha wiki, when it says food and bacteria, did not read it further
02:01 schnydszch    it's 10AM here, so that's gonna be 1PM
02:00 * wizzyrea    blames the kombucha
01:59 wizzyrea      my brain computer is broken today.
01:59 rangi         easier to work out
01:59 rangi         i liked it better when we were +12
01:59 wizzyrea      well gosh, when I said 4 hours I didn't realise it was 14:55, so you're right, 3 hours SORRY
01:58 rangi         we repeat them so people can attend one or the other
01:58 rangi         and the next one is at 2100
01:58 rangi         so i think thats 6pm nz time
01:58 rangi         it 0500 utc
01:57 eythian       wasn't it at 6 NZ time? Or was it 7?
01:56 wizzyrea      4 hours I think
01:56 schnydszch    it's okay I wanted to feel attending koha meeting. If my timer is right, that's three hours away right?
01:56 wizzyrea      I certainly hope they are sleeping :)
01:54 rangi         id doubt it, given the time
01:54 schnydszch    anybody here from biblibre?
01:44 rangi         ohh yes that is handy
01:42 eythian       http://search.cpan.org/~ferreira/Carp-Always-0.13/lib/Carp/Always.pm <-- oh handy
01:22 * dcook       will stick to his water and iced tea he thinks
01:15 wizzyrea      they have many kinds of strange drinks.
01:15 wizzyrea      nic nacs
01:15 wizzyrea      no, from nic nacz
01:15 eythian       that sounds like the sort of place you'd find something like that
01:15 eythian       did you get it from haere mai?
01:15 wajasu        i put my scoby in the fridge for next year :)
01:14 wizzyrea      I saw "feijoa" and my brain turned off.
01:14 wizzyrea      to be honest, I didn't realise it was a real kombucha when I bought it
01:14 wizzyrea      this one I have is pretty ok though.
01:13 wizzyrea      I suspect this is why they put it in brown bottles.
01:13 eythian       and looks pretty gross too
01:13 eythian       it sounds terrible
01:12 wajasu        imy 1st two batches got tainted and grew mold. smelled bad, so had to start over.  third batch worked (used coffer filter over jar top).  too much work and time.
01:12 eythian       from spillage?
01:12 ibeardslee    Wow .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombucha  ".. in rare cases, to serious side effects and deaths"
01:10 * wizzyrea    is not brave enough to make her own kombucha
01:10 wizzyrea      this is a commercial one
01:09 bag           alright later peeps - I'll be back for the meeting in a few hours - hopefully catch all you wonderful people tonight :D
01:06 wajasu        also if you want cheap grolsch style bottles to store it, look for some cheap similiar bottle at an ALDI (if you have them nearby)
01:05 wizzyrea      the one I'm having is feijoa flavoured, quite nice.
01:04 wizzyrea      wajasu: good advice
01:04 dcook         Can't say I've ever had it. Not sure I want to.
01:04 wajasu        pour through a coffee filter if you don't like the growth
01:04 dcook         lol
01:03 wizzyrea      because that was a texture my mouth disagreed with.
01:03 wizzyrea      on a related note, I am now covered in kombucha.
01:03 wajasu        got to feed your motha
01:02 wizzyrea      bad things about kombucha... slimy blobby things.
01:02 dcook         Although as long as the help and manual are up-to-date..
01:02 wizzyrea      good things about kombucha, it's tasty
01:01 dcook         Not a bad idea
01:00 wizzyrea      force a news item "hey, we did stuff"
01:00 wizzyrea      only show the message to superlibrarians, etc.
01:00 wizzyrea      remove the message, change the name of administration to "settings" or something.
00:59 wizzyrea      move the tools, leave a message "hey, some things have moved, check in Administration"
00:59 wizzyrea      could do it in stages
00:59 dcook         Sadly yes :(
00:59 wizzyrea      There would probably be a mutiny if we changed the name.
00:58 dcook         True. Things get tweaked over time.
00:58 wizzyrea      well, nobody ever goes in there just once.
00:58 dcook         All stuff that should be done once really
00:58 bag           yeah beer sounds excellent - but I'm a month of no drinking which ends Saturday :D
00:58 wahanui       Settings are in there
00:58 wizzyrea      or Settings
00:58 dcook         I like that
00:58 dcook         Ooooh
00:57 wizzyrea      Administration -> Configuration
00:57 dcook         Although administration does imply administering
00:57 wizzyrea      which probably says something about my state of mind today.
00:57 dcook         Mmm beer
00:57 * wizzyrea    thought of beer
00:57 bag           oh whoops dcook I was off topic :P
00:57 dcook         ^
00:57 wizzyrea      if it's "manage" it should be a tool.
00:56 wizzyrea      if it's "set up" it should be in admin
00:56 dcook         hehe
00:56 bag           I love THE epic!
00:56 dcook         The task scheduler is probably still a tool yeah
00:56 wizzyrea      well not the task scheduler
00:56 dcook         The "Additional parameters" should probably be under "Catalog" as well..
00:56 wizzyrea      Notices & slips, overdue notice/status triggers, calendar, csv profiles, task scheduler
00:55 dcook         Rather than having one epic page
00:55 dcook         It might make more sense to break up the administration area into more distinct sub-categories
00:55 wizzyrea      yes.
00:55 dcook         Actually, there's a fair number of "tools" that aren't tools
00:54 wizzyrea      and configuring holidays
00:54 wizzyrea      yes, agreed
00:54 dcook         wizzyrea: In addition to having "OVerdue notice/status triggers" move from Tools to Admin, it would be great to move "Notices & slips" too
00:22 bag           nah probably not
00:21 bag           thing
00:21 bag           hmmm... maybe the it's the time settings - you know JesseM like that 12hr vs 24hr
00:21 dcook         bag: Haven't heard anything but you never know...
00:21 bag           hey anyone have this problem?  A SIP2 self-checkout isn't respecting the holidays entered on the calender (but like everything - it's sporadic - during time periods of the day)
00:20 dcook         someone broke the intertubes?
00:20 dcook         oh nose
00:14 wizzyrea      well it is just not every day you get a 500 error from youtube.
00:07 dcook         Then hopefully work on upstreaming other changes... or work on fixing the query building
00:07 dcook         I'll be glad when I'm done this OAI client so I can upstream it
00:06 dcook         Yeah, that's a lot of what I do :p