Time Nick Message 23:33 drojf or maybe that isn't true and it's auckland 23:31 * drojf listens to wellington death metal :D 23:30 dcook Alas, it's only morning 23:30 dcook Mmm curry 23:30 eythian but first, curry time while debian/control regenerates. 23:30 eythian I think this afternoon might have to be a 90's industrial afternoon. It's got that kind of feel to it. 23:29 dcook Mogwai just came on, which... I listen to them probably every other day, so that's less remarkable 23:29 eythian neither 23:29 dcook I totally haven't listened to them in ages.. 23:28 eythian well, KMFDM just came on. That's a good start. 23:27 dcook I don't have any more videos or images to express "I hope so" 23:26 eythian (easy enough to fix though I expect) 23:26 eythian the dependecies have been broken. 23:26 eythian no, the opposite. 23:25 dcook http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfLcC1o85bo 23:23 eythian no 23:23 eythian ohh 23:23 eythian no, typo in debian/control 23:22 dcook lols 23:22 dcook "...potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes" 23:22 eythian oh, dependency issues 23:22 eythian then why did the build fail 23:21 eythian wtf 23:21 eythian oh hey, tests passed 23:16 huginn wizzyrea: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. [] 23:16 wizzyrea @marc 008 23:03 wajasu when i signoff and code needs a tweak to pass QA code format rules, can I amend a signoff patch to tweak it, then signoff the tweak, to prevent QA fail? 23:03 wajasu ethian: i was going to get my docker kohapatch have a way to give a list of patches, maybe query the depends on, and create a branch with them applied upon instance being run 22:57 dcook Keep meaning to take a look at ol' python 22:56 eythian oh, I had an old version of master. 22:53 eythian actually, an easier thing would be to allow a list of bugs to be passed. Even that doesn't work. 22:53 eythian ha ha python is stupid 22:52 cait that would save me a ton of time 22:52 cait and while yo uare on it... can you make it work with a non ascii character in the commit message and doing git bz attach -e? 22:52 eythian I don't really know python well, but also don't have time 22:52 cait eythian: you could make it do that... 22:52 dcook ^ 22:51 * eythian thinks git-bz needs a thing that says "apply the patch on this bug, and the patches on all the ones it depends on." 22:48 cait ah, browser made something weird of it then :) 22:47 wizzyrea heh, no, there was an extra http: on there. 22:47 rangi that fix the db dependencies 22:47 rangi theres a bunch of patches that need sign off 22:47 * eythian notes that master still fails to build. 22:46 wizzyrea ah thanks 22:46 cait wizzyrea: tiny typo in the ibadan link - missing : 22:45 cait wizzyrea: news_item++ :) 22:45 cait i like it 22:44 rangi cool 22:44 wizzyrea May do a news item about it as well. 22:43 bag wizzyrea++ 22:42 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/about/ > any objections to that? I already cleared it with tcohen 22:40 eythian actually, will do that now while this tries to build 22:40 eythian I did, will look at it today. 22:39 huginn 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 22:39 bag hey eythian did you see the comments from tomas on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 22:38 * eythian wonders if master will build today 22:37 cait bag++ :) 22:37 bag always seems short when talking koha 22:37 bag I love this stuff 22:37 cait but it's good it felt shorter to you :) 22:36 drojf heh 22:36 bag doh 22:36 drojf 95 minutes 22:36 cait bag: 1:35 :) 22:36 bag not too bad 35 minutes - I think this mornings was longer-ish 22:36 cait a bit - the elections make it long 22:36 eythian that was a long meeting 22:36 bag thd BobB had to step out 22:35 drojf i said 9/21 would work for europe, either one or the other. that didn't gegt through it seems ^^ 22:35 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2.2014-11-19-21.03.log.html 22:35 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2.2014-11-19-21.03.txt 22:35 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2.2014-11-19-21.03.html 22:35 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 19 22:35:47 2014 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 22:35 cait #endmeeting 22:35 gbengaadara +1 22:35 cait #agreed december 17th - 9 and 21 utc 22:35 rangi +1 22:35 thd +1 22:35 thd BobB: Is that good? 22:35 cait or is everyone asleep now? :) 22:35 cait can i get some +1 -1? 22:34 drojf got disconnected 22:34 gbengaadara ok 22:34 gbengaadara If I miss one I should be able to make the other 22:34 cait ok? 22:34 cait suggestion would then be: 17th december, 9 and 21 utc 22:34 cait i am bad with timezones, so someone needs to check if i am making bad suggestions :) 22:33 gbengaadara 9 is ok 22:33 cait gbengaadara: what time was better for you? 22:33 cait any opinions? 22:32 wahanui thanks cait :) 22:32 cait wahanui botsnack cookie 22:32 wahanui 30 22:32 cait or 9 and 21? 22:32 cait drojf - what do you think? 22:31 cait i think 22:31 cait normally at 9 most should be at work 22:31 thd Is 9 am not a problem with many working people in transit? 22:31 drojf lol 22:31 wahanui 29 22:31 cait 8 and 21? 22:30 cait 9 am is a good time in europe - not usre if uk is -1/+1 22:30 cait or 3 22:30 cait and move the first by 2 hours 22:30 thd UTC 18.00 would be somewhat better for Europe but perhaps not enough better. 22:30 cait hm what about keep this time - for nz and australia 22:30 bag yeah can we shift the timing of things a bit - missed ashimema and paul_p and such 22:29 thd This second meeting time should be a good time for Europe if the first one cannot be. 22:29 gbengaadara wizzyrea: thanks 22:29 cait well it's problem, if we don't do much earlier, we will still be outside of work time - so not sure 22:29 cait i think 22:29 cait for europe a bit earlier would get more attendance 22:29 thd The first meeting time a UTC 5 is a poor time for Europe. 22:29 wizzyrea gbengaadara: http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/ 22:28 dcook Mmm, I thought I'd missed this meeting 22:28 thd I suggest an earlier time 22:28 magnuse good night or other time of the day, #koha! 22:28 cait we have a suggestion for 17th from the first meeting 22:28 cait #topic Set time and date of next general IRC meeting 22:27 cait so jumping over that 22:27 cait we had no actions form last meeting/they got all done 22:27 cait ok 22:27 drojf let the communication manager handle it ^^ 22:26 magnuse nah, just consider the idea aired, and move on :-) 22:26 cait hm not sur how to get thi smoving for now 22:25 magnuse yup 22:25 cait i think the hard bit is finding the volunteer 22:24 drojf i watched the evergreen episode earlier today. wouldn't hurt if anyone wants to do it 22:24 cait it fits into the communication manager idea... 22:23 cait aaah there you are :) 22:23 * magnuse is not volunteering 22:23 magnuse just an idea from me, that i wanted to put out there :-) 22:23 cait #topic Koha on FLOSS weekly 22:23 rangi thanks gbengaadara 22:23 cait thx gbengaadara 22:22 gbengaadara thats all info for now on kohacon15 22:22 cait #action adding a note/link to the kc website about kohacon15 22:22 wizzyrea Sure 22:21 cait wizzyrea: coudl we add a link to the other site for now? 22:21 gbengaadara cait: that will be great 22:21 drojf website is looking good, thanks gbengaadara 22:20 gbengaadara will keep info coming and updated. 22:20 cait maybe we should add a short note to the website about KohaCon15 if we haven't yet? 22:20 cait not right now - looks pretty good :) 22:19 bag anybody have recommendations or comments for gbengaadara 22:19 gbengaadara Should have some info in the kohacon15 page on the wiki in a couple of days too. 22:19 cait #info http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/ updated now :) 22:19 rangi yep he has :) 22:19 bag adding the airport info like rangi asked is key :) 22:18 bag good work gbengaadara 22:18 bag later BobB 22:18 barton nice explanations earlier. 22:18 cait BobB++ 22:18 barton BobB++ 22:18 * BobB has to leave now, apologies 22:17 gbengaadara but still finding my feet 22:17 rangi excellent 22:17 gbengaadara Attempting to edit the wiki pages 22:17 gbengaadara Done some update to http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/ after the first meeting 22:16 gbengaadara #info Conference 19th - 21st, Hackfest 23rd - 25th 22:16 gbengaadara hi bag 22:16 bag heya gbengaadara 22:16 gbengaadara #info kohacon15 will be between 19th - 25th October 2015 22:15 gbengaadara yup 22:15 cait gbengaadara: still around? :) 22:15 cait #topic KohaCon15 22:15 BobB ok 22:15 cait #action BobB will email the mailing list about the new roles 22:15 bag yuppers 22:14 cait i thik as we heard no 'no' - we can do that? 22:14 cait first meeting agreed to have BobB send something to the mailing list 22:13 eythian actually even someone sending notices about releases to the places that are likely to publish that sort of thing would do good. 22:13 drojf +1 i like it too 22:12 bag right thank you for saying that cait and BobB - more is better than nothing and being overwhelmed 22:12 cait yeah that's pretty cool 22:12 rangi i think thats a good start 22:12 rangi and used to, (still does some) update stuff 22:12 cait +1 like it 22:12 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Announcements <-- david nind did this 22:12 BobB but if someone comes forward, its a win 22:12 cait ok, quick like/not like vote? 22:12 BobB We can put it out to the list, if there is not response, nothing is lost, 22:10 BobB if they do a bit, its more than now :) 22:10 cait and maybe it could grow into a team? 22:10 cait i think if we got a bit more done than now... already a win 22:10 wizzyrea I like it, but I don't know if it's going to be economically possible for a volunteer to do what you are asking. 22:10 bag (voted this morning) 22:10 BobB exactly droif 22:09 bag yup good point drojf 22:09 cait should we have a quick vote to see if people like the idea? 22:09 drojf BobB: i think that may have to do with the "free & open" thing. you can get every information you would ever like to have about koha by yourself. that is not the case with proprietary systems. but we should not assume that everyone will know that and/or want to go looking for all the things themselves 22:09 bag and of course whomeever volunteers for this - will help create and shape the roll 22:08 BobB more to pull stuff together and to get it out there, rather than to do stuff oneself 22:08 cait turkey... not greece, although who knows? :) 22:08 bag yeah what cait and BobB are saying 22:08 bag sort of more a journalist 22:08 BobB or phillipines or turkey ... 22:07 cait orthe public libraries in greece 22:07 BobB the closed source systems have marketing departments, we have word of mouth :) 22:07 bag but not an evangelist 22:07 bag the idea is someone to help us all promote koha better (not protect it) 22:06 BobB we just found out there is a union catalogue in Argentina with a thousand public libraries: wow! but who knows that? 22:06 bag rangi had a few good things to say in it too - check the logs 22:06 drojf makes sense. thinking of the excellent video that was done in argentina… we could probably have more things pushed to the outside world 22:05 wizzyrea we should ask marshall breeding to publish our newsletter. 22:05 BobB Stuff gets on list but not pushed as a press release e.g. to Marshall Breeding 22:05 cait and trying to think of ways how we could make that happen 22:05 cait i think we started with a discussion that we do great things, but don't tlak about it 22:05 drojf ok 22:04 BobB so maybe that could come later 22:04 BobB droif not necessarily, but it could be if the community had that level of confidence 22:04 bag thd: no 22:04 bag drojf: nope 22:04 bag BobB: no worries - I'm thinking a phone call will work from me (of course) 22:03 drojf is it supposed to be some kind of official spokesperson to direct inquieres to? 22:03 BobB if so, it can be fleshed out and call for nominations put out to the list 22:03 BobB I think the question is: do we endorse the role 22:03 thd Is this the role Kahtiki [please correct my spelling]? 22:03 BobB I don't have anything to hand bag 22:03 bag ok cool - I have some people in mind 22:02 BobB not elsewhere, in any great detail 22:02 BobB its in the minutes of the first meeting I guess 22:01 bag BobB: is this written up anywhere? or waiting for vote and then forwarding to mailing list? 22:01 BobB liaising with the (excellent) newsletter team 22:01 BobB So: prompting other people to write stuff, 22:01 BobB but is active in seeing the project is promoted more than it is now 22:01 BobB so that it does not consume development time 22:00 BobB we thought it would be a role a librarian could fulfill, rather than a developer, 22:00 BobB #info this is to be a coordinating role, more than a doing role 22:00 bag yes let's move on cait 21:59 BobB #info on the sidelines of KohaCon there was discussion about adding a Communications Manager role to the release team 21:59 cait should we omve on to Communication Manager? 21:59 BobB or just whether it is being worked on now or not 21:58 BobB yes, prominently 21:58 wizzyrea and maybe a statement of priority. 21:58 wizzyrea or "these are the goals we have for the project" 21:58 wizzyrea A statement of "these are the things we're working on, but we don't know when we'll get them done" 21:57 bag drojf++ good comment 21:57 BobB thd that is a core aspect of the proposal - the roadmap will not be time based 21:57 drojf i understood the roadmap to be not time/releasebased so i see no problem there 21:57 thd I also prefer feature based releases but that has not worked as well for the project. 21:56 cait thd: i think the danger is that we can't give guarantees formost things - as we are on time based - hope we can avoid wrong expectations 21:56 BobB yeah I think we have resolved wiki curator for now? 21:56 thd One of the key things I examine for any software project which posts one is the development roadmap. 21:56 cait BobB: could you explain? 21:56 cait the other idea is having a communication manager 21:55 cait we already heard a bit about the idea of having a wiki curator i think 21:55 cait #topic Establish new roles within the release team 21:55 cait #agreed We will gather information and ideas for the road map on the next meetings agenda 21:55 BobB yes please 21:55 bag cait++ 21:55 cait ok, so going to add ideas to next meetings agenda? 21:54 drojf yes, exactly :D 21:54 bag there were no objections is maybe a good way to put it 21:54 drojf i think it's a good idea 21:54 wizzyrea it's a good idea. 21:54 BobB it got positive response withut a formal vote 21:53 cait well ... when i got something wrong :) 21:53 thd My specific proposal for the wiki was mostly related to other maintenance issues. 21:53 cait BobB and bag were there too this morning, so I hope they correct me :) 21:53 BobB will keep you posted, thd 21:53 cait i think it got positive response 21:53 cait we could collect examples on the wiki until then, or on the next agenda 21:53 thd Sadly, I am unlikely toi be able to attend the next meeting but I will read the logs and any discussion on the mailing list. 21:52 drojf did you vote yes or no in general for a roadmap in the first meeting? 21:52 cait also to 'Have a retrospective meeting as part of the release process' 21:52 bag yeah lets do the roadmap next meeting :D 21:52 BobB indeed cait 21:52 cait the first meeting suggested discussing the road map more at the next meeting, which will be shortly after release I think 21:51 bag welcome back BobB 21:50 BobB back 21:50 wizzyrea which makes use of the internal bugzilla priorities 21:50 cait #link https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Roadmap 21:50 drojf when the roadmap is discussed after releases it may be a good moment to transfer a current state from teh wiki to the website 21:50 wizzyrea bugzilla has a nice, wiki based, example. 21:50 wizzyrea https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Roadmap 21:49 cait well looks like a promise 21:49 cait for a certain release or date 21:49 cait i am pro trying a roadmap, but i think we need tomake sure it's not a promise 21:49 cait #link https://www.drupal.org/roadmap 21:49 wizzyrea roadmap. 21:49 thd Is wiki content ever stable? 21:48 wizzyrea Koha needs a roadmac 21:48 cait #link https://core.trac.wordpress.org/roadmap 21:48 bag the process and what it's like will come with time :) for now - yes let's do it or not 21:48 wizzyrea I'm suggesting ways in which it could be done ;) 21:48 bag I think for now we are just trying to get it going again 21:48 mario +1 21:48 wizzyrea the dashboard does some of that 21:47 wizzyrea https://core.trac.wordpress.org/roadmap or something like this 21:47 cait or have a link 21:47 cait and when we have a stable state we could move it to the website? 21:47 cait i think maybe draft on the wiki 21:46 wizzyrea on our website 21:46 wizzyrea https://www.drupal.org/roadmap I would like to see a page like this 21:46 cait I think we had talked about the wiki too in argentina when discussing this 21:46 BobB on phone 21:46 BobB it would of course be a page on teh wiki 21:45 thd BobB: You seem to be describing a wiki. 21:45 bag thanks again BobB 21:45 BobB even 21:45 BobB #info with a link to another page providing a full RFC 21:44 BobB 's it 21:44 BobB that 21:44 BobB with a link to another page providing a full RFS 21:44 BobB #info the other idea was that items in the roadmap would be described in just a few lines ... 21:44 BobB #info but maintaining the roadmap can be a continuous process, of course 21:43 BobB #info we suggest taht the first meeting after the Release should review the release and discuss updates to the roadmap 21:43 BobB #info so it serves a little like a strategic plan for the code, less formal 21:42 BobB #info the idea is to re-create the roadmap, but not time based 21:42 BobB #info Until at least 3.12 we had a roadmap that was time (release) based 21:42 BobB #info this arises from a discussion on the sidelines of KohaCon 21:41 cait #topic Establish a Road Map for Koha 21:41 BobB well done cait and thank you!!!! to all team members 21:41 cait we got a release team! 21:41 BobB cool 21:40 cait #info official elections for Wiki curator to take place next meeting 21:40 cait the same as for other roles 21:40 wizzyrea as you wish 21:39 cait wizzyrea: i think because we want to give it a more official touch :) 21:39 barton makes sense, BobB. 21:39 BobB in the meantime, of course, those willing continue 21:39 BobB and we vote at next month's meeting 21:39 thd I wrote the entry in plural form like bug wrangler. 21:39 BobB that note can point to the wiki and existing nominations 21:39 wizzyrea I guess that's the part I don't understand, why it actually needs a vote? 21:38 BobB #info So I think it still needs a short note to the list, but now ... 21:38 wizzyrea yeah, vote next time, if it really requires a vote? 21:38 BobB #info Then there were no nominations, now there are 21:38 cait we don't keep people from cleaning up the wiki now :) 21:38 cait I think so too 21:38 BobB #info the first meeting decided to advertise the role on the list and call for nominations 21:38 barton wizzyrea++ 21:38 drojf i don't think postponing the vote should/will keep anyone from volunteering on things 21:37 wizzyrea Personally, I think if they are volunteering, and they want to do it, they should. 21:37 BobB hi cait, I can speak to this 21:37 thd However, the whole role should be open to everyone always. 21:37 cait didn't have the time 21:37 cait i haven't yet to be honest 21:36 thd cait: no, you should read my proposal. 21:36 cait did you plan to start right away? 21:35 cait i don't think people won't be voted 21:35 thd cait: OK, I agree. 21:35 cait i'd like to not spread out a vote over a month :) 21:35 cait i am not sure it would make sense to split like that 21:35 thd The first meeting can vote again next month. 21:35 drojf not that i don't like the category but i think we should vote that next time then? 21:34 cait because the nominations were added after the first meeting today 21:34 cait i am not sure how to deal with that 21:34 cait yes 21:34 cait #agreed Bug Wrangler: Magnus Enger 21:34 thd cait: There is one more category added. 21:34 eythian +1 21:34 jmsasse +1 21:34 wizzyrea :) 21:33 barton (+2 if magnus does neat stuff with kohadevbox) 21:33 drojf +1 21:33 thd +1 21:33 talljoy +1 21:33 wizzyrea +1 21:33 nancyk +1 21:33 barton +1 21:33 cait please vote :) 21:32 cait any questions? 21:32 cait last one is bug wrangler 21:32 cait #agreed Packaging Manager: Robin Sheat 21:32 gbengaadara +1 21:32 thd +1 21:32 nancyk +1 21:32 barton +1 21:32 eythian ±0 21:32 drojf +1 21:32 wizzyrea +1 21:31 cait please vote for packaging manager :) 21:31 cait ok, we have one, it#s eythian 21:31 cait i wish :) 21:31 talljoy cait's minions 21:31 cait ok, next is packaging manager... do we have a volunteer for that? 21:31 cait #agreed QA Team: Marcel de Rooy, Jonathan Druart, Paul Poulain, Christopher Brannon, Brendan Gallagher, Martin Renvoize, Kyle M Hall 21:30 talljoy +1 21:30 eythian +1 21:30 wizzyrea +1 21:30 thd +1 21:29 nancyk +1 21:29 drojf +1 21:29 cait ok, please vote on the qa team now 21:28 cait drojf: we both are now :) 21:28 cait any questions? 21:28 drojf do i have to rechair you? :) 21:28 cait next on the list is our QA team 21:28 bag cait++ 21:28 cait thx :) drojf++ 21:28 drojf #agreed Quality Assurance Manager Katrin Fischer 21:27 thd +1 21:27 drojf +1 21:27 drojf am i still allowed to vote? ^^ 21:27 talljoy +1 21:27 jmsasse +1 21:27 nancyk +1 21:26 eythian +1 21:26 wizzyrea +1 I for one welcome our lovely QA overlord. 21:26 drojf ok then, please vote for qa manager now 21:26 cait not sure if it sticks without being chair 21:26 wizzyrea yep nw 21:26 cait thx wizzyrea 21:25 wizzyrea #agreed Documentation manager: Nicole Engard 21:25 drojf oops 21:25 cait you got randomly picked to do the votes for qa :) 21:25 huginn Current chairs: cait drojf 21:25 cait #chair drojf 21:25 cait sent too fast 21:25 cait oh sorry 21:25 dani +1 21:25 cait #agreed (Database) Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard 21:25 edveal +1 21:24 talljoy_phone +1 21:24 eythian +1 21:24 drojf +1 21:24 nancyk +1 21:24 wizzyrea +1 21:24 thd +1 21:24 cait please vote for (database) documentation manager 21:23 cait and wuestions about documentation manager or database documentation manager? 21:23 cait i'd like to combine the documentation roles into one vote 21:23 wahanui i don't know, bobb 21:23 BobB wahanui: next? 21:23 cait #agreed Translation Manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 21:22 eythian +1 21:22 nancyk +1 21:22 barton +1 21:22 drojf +1 21:22 thd +1 21:22 wizzyrea +1 21:22 cait ok, please vote on translation manager now :) 21:22 wizzyrea bgkriegel++ 21:22 cait ... and bgkriegel++ while we are there 21:22 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot next 21:22 wizzyrea forget next 21:21 cait any questions? 21:21 wahanui i already had it that way, cait. 21:21 cait next is translation manager 21:21 barton nod. 21:21 wizzyrea I think it's worth trying until we get there 21:21 cait i think it's worth giving it a second try 21:21 wizzyrea We had no QA manager for years, that was not a reason to remove the role. Now QA is well established. I hope that it will be the same for Module Maintainers < I agree with PaulP 21:21 cait #agreed Module Maintainers: Martin Renvoize (Auth), Colin Campbell (SIP), Kyle M Hall (Holds), Galen Charlton (Patron Privacy) 21:21 cait ah, RM interrupts 21:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13277: (QA followup) use t::lib::Mocks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95ce6945d879dd2ca82ccc988e84535f89a384f3> / Bug 13277: t/SuggestionEngine_AuthorityFile.t shouldn't depend on the DB <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98fcda28ff119bc6ef6b35e5cd32e57f50870d6f> / Bug 13278: (QA followup) use t::lib::Mocks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git; 21:20 jmsasse +1 21:20 thd +1 21:20 gbengaadara +1 21:20 thd I assume that everyone contributes more than enough despite some adverse comment in the list. 21:20 eythian +1 21:20 nancyk +1 21:20 wizzyrea +1 21:20 drojf +1 21:20 cait Please vote for the module maintainers as listed on the wiki now 21:19 wahanui i guess vote is going to the list regardless of what we decide 21:19 cait vote? 21:19 thd It is a very unfair question. 21:19 cait I think it was the one doing OPAC 21:19 cait thd: not sure that's a fair question :) 21:19 cait trying to leave some room for questions in between voting - please tell me if i am too fast or slow 21:19 thd Who was the only module maintainer who contributed last time? 21:19 barton I'm good, cait. 21:19 cait so any questions about the module maintainers? 21:19 cait it just didn't get cleaned up form the page yet 21:19 barton HA 21:19 thd barton: That is you 21:19 cait barton: in case someone wanted to step up and maintain an older version 21:19 barton although, just for the sake of completeness, who does "..." represent? 21:19 cait #agreed Release Maintainers: Chris Cormack (3.18), Mason James (3.16), Fridolin Somers (3.14) 21:17 nancyk +1 21:17 barton +1 21:17 drojf +1 21:16 jmsasse +1 21:16 wizzyrea +1 21:16 thd +1 21:16 cait please vote for the release maintainers now as listed on the wiki 21:16 drojf +1 for group voting 21:16 thd +1 for groups 21:16 wizzyrea +1 21:16 cait any problem with voting them as a group? 21:16 nancyk roles 21:15 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT 21:15 cait any questions? 21:15 cait mtj volunteered for the missing post of 3.16 rmaint, so we have a full set of rmaints now 21:15 learn_koha ok 21:15 BobB back 21:14 cait Next are module maintainers 21:14 cait #agreed Release Manager 3.18: Tomas Cohen Arazi 21:14 cait learn_koha: we are int he middle of a meeting - maybe try again a bit later? 21:14 cait tcohen++ :) 21:14 cait :) 21:14 learn_koha hi anyone knows how to import bulk books to koha please? 21:14 barton +1 21:13 drojf +1 21:13 jmsasse +1 21:13 JesseM +1 21:13 nancyk +1 21:13 cait +1, -1.. you know how it works :) 21:13 thd +1 21:13 cait ok, vote on Release manager now - candidate is Tomas Cohen Arazi 21:12 cait any questions? 21:12 cait ok, first, RM 21:12 * BobB goes to grab breakfast 21:11 cait i also won't vote as i voted this morning 21:11 * bag already voted this morning (so I will pass too) 21:11 cait #info Nominations are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 21:11 BobB I voted yesterday, will pass 21:11 cait #topic Elections! 21:11 wizzyrea go for it 21:11 cait i'd like to do elections next, like in the first meeting if that#s ok for everyone? 21:10 cait ok, anything else? :) 21:10 BobB :) 21:10 cait thx BobB 21:10 wahanui i already had it that way, cait. 21:10 cait #info Release 3.18 is on 28th next week 21:10 BobB #info a Beta for 3.18 was released a few days ago: please test 21:10 cait see tomas' email earlier 21:10 cait #info String Freeze for 3.18 is on 21th this week 21:09 bag bummer no tcohen 21:09 cait rm or rmaints around? :) 21:09 mario #info Mario Guilin ByWater 21:09 cait #topic Update on releases (3.8 - 3.18) 21:08 cait moving on to the releases 21:08 wizzyrea bgkriegel++ 21:08 wizzyrea tcohen++ unc++ the video is cool 21:08 cait please keep an eye on that page and see how you can help 21:08 cait yes, we still need testing and patches 21:08 bag #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Critical_circ_bugs 21:08 cait #info Koha, a community - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHav6PL_4Bo&feature=youtu.be A video made during KohaCon14 in Argentina got published yesterday 21:07 cait #info ES demo is up from Robin http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 21:07 bag not totally ready for feedback though - since we're still doing lots of development 21:07 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, Kentucky, USA 21:07 wizzyrea erm, I suppose a general announcement is that one should file bugs for anything website related on bugzilla, under "website" 21:07 cait but please start testing afterthe meeting :) 21:07 wahanui i guess good news is it looks like it's running properly. 21:07 cait good news! 21:07 bag ES demo is up from Robin http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 21:07 dani #info Dani Elder BWS, USA 21:07 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT 21:06 dani #Dani Elder BWS, USA 21:06 cait any announcements? 21:06 cait #topic Announcements 21:06 cait yw 21:05 bag hey thanks for the link cait 21:05 edveal #info Ed Veal ByWater 21:05 talljoy_phone #info Joy Nelson BWS, USA 21:05 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 21:05 edveal #info edveal, BWS USA 21:05 wajasu #info! 21:05 gbengaadara #info Olugbenga Adara Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria 21:05 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 21:05 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto, BWS, USA 21:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 21:04 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin 21:04 nancyk #info nancyk Reno, Nevada Washoe County Library System 21:04 jmsasse #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek, MN 21:04 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia 21:04 cait it is time for the meeting, isn't it? 21:03 cait please introuce yourself with #info! 21:03 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 21:03 cait #topic introductions 21:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2' 21:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 19 21:03:22 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:03 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 19 November 2014, part 2 21:02 wahanui i guess meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe 21:02 cait ok, meeting time? 21:02 wajasu ha! 21:02 drojf a photo of you and the banana? 21:01 cait which photo? :) 21:01 kathryn cait I think it is a consolation prize really, as that silly photo is now gone :) 21:00 cait he is usually to blame for things like hat 21:00 wahanui i think eythian is Time's Person of the Year for 2006. 21:00 cait wizzyrea: eythian? 21:00 cait hi nancyk 20:57 * wizzyrea wonders why wahanui thinks kathryn was beaten by a banana 20:54 nancyk hicait, just checking to see if I can get in 20:54 cait 5 mins to meeting, brb 20:54 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Critical_circ_bugs 20:53 cait sure, if you are lookign for new pages the 'recent changes' link is pretty handy 20:53 bag hey cait you shared a nice wiki page last night of the bugs for 3.18 - do you still have that page handy? I'd like to share that with a few people 19:33 mtompset Oh my! I remember this bug I was working on. 18:40 kathryn Hi AmitG and mtompset :) 18:40 mtompset Greetings, AmitG bag kathryn. :) 18:34 AmitG heya kathryn 18:32 kathryn :) 18:32 kathryn I did NOT hear that wahanui! 18:32 kathryn oh for goodness sake... 18:32 wahanui i heard kathryn was beaten by a banana. 18:31 bag heya kathryn 18:31 kathryn hi bag 'n'all 18:30 bag heya AmitG 18:29 AmitG bag around? 17:54 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 17:54 mtompset Bye, tcohen. :) 17:53 tcohen bye #koha 17:35 * cait waves 17:06 reiveune bye 16:56 huginn 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 16:56 huginn bag: The operation succeeded. 16:56 bag @later tell eythian - Hey Robin you've got a little feedback on this - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 What do you think about it? 16:56 huginn 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 16:56 bag tcohen: thanks for the feedback on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 16:33 bag nice 16:33 cait and don't forget... second election meetig later :) 16:32 cait hi drojf, hi bag - bbiab :) 16:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7143 : Updating history and about page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=719c1335d878cc2ab94af262bea4540daabc5d55> / Bug 12132: display guarantees if a patron has them, regardless of category type <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=857c68e2a667eea55255a373583c9ed69ea1cea9> / Bug 13223: [QA Follow-up] Adding some unit tests for wrapper <http://git.koha-communit 16:14 drojf hi #koha 16:03 bag morning 16:03 Joubu see you #koha 16:03 * Joubu is sending an audio file to oleonard 14:57 littleboss music 14:57 oleonard Why? 14:56 littleboss audio 14:56 oleonard Is it text? 14:56 oleonard You post the file somewhere and share a link to it here 14:56 littleboss suppose I need to share files in chat 14:55 littleboss RngTFM does not help 14:55 oleonard Download in chat? What do you mean? 14:55 littleboss anyone :( 14:54 littleboss how do i download in chat ? 14:54 oleonard Joubu++ 14:54 oleonard Thanks Joubu 14:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12376 - blinking cursor not clear in larger resolutions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b60192397c30cc25d8f9ff4eec5f021111ef9c2d> / Bug 13234 [Follow-up] Make on-site checkouts visible in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=535a224b8710e8218bae40649d72b626d8fc412d> / Bug 13234: On-site checkouts - OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a= 14:31 Joubu oleonard: ok patch sent 14:24 oleonard I'll take a look and see if I can get any ideas Joubu 14:22 Joubu But I don't know how we could fix that 14:22 Joubu oleonard: Which is really dirty 14:22 Joubu oleonard: repeatable holidays: it comes from the document.write into a td (...) 14:17 tcohen mtj++ 14:14 oleonard I have 31 reports in all 14:14 Joubu hum... 14:14 oleonard So: Click the tab... Wait one second... The tab switches. 14:14 oleonard After the patch it takes about one second for the tab to switch 14:13 Joubu but I don't have a lot of report (something like ~30) 14:13 oleonard When I test it before the DataTables upgrade, clicking each tab brings up the contents of the tab almost instantly 14:13 Joubu I didn't notice that 14:13 Joubu how? 14:12 oleonard The patch works, but there seems to be a noticeable slowdown with loading each tab 14:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13288 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Saved reports tabs broken by DataTables upgrade 14:12 oleonard Joubu: Before you get too deep into that problem I have a question about Bug 13288 14:11 Joubu outch 14:11 Joubu yep, same here... 14:11 oleonard Joubu: I mean the page doesn't load at all 14:11 Joubu I get really weird behaviors on the page too 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13289 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Calendar with weekly repeating holidays completely broken by DataTables upgrade 14:10 Joubu oleonard: what do you mean by "broken" in bug Bug 13289? 14:05 schnydszch__ Thank you very much jajm for the Koha-Drupal integration. I'll configure and read further. I'll try to remap koha.conf UNIMARC to MARC21 and share it. Cheers! :) 14:01 bigbrovar cait: That as it. placing holds now work 14:00 bigbrovar cait: Thanks alot. I will do just that 13:50 cait bigbrovar: also make sure that you have the number of reserves in the cirulation rule not empty, but with a number 13:50 ashimema so does it work on your intranets installation? 13:50 cait bigbrovar: check allowonshelfholds preference 13:49 bigbrovar this is even when the item information are displayed and the item is marked as available. I crossed check the circulation and fine rules and have the default all setup 13:48 bigbrovar Hi guys. after setting up koha instance for my school (on our intranet) it worked fine so we proceeded to do a setup on linode everything seems ok.. exporting marc from the intranet version to the version on linode went well without problems.. however when I did test to put a book on hold I get this error "Sorry, none of these items can be placed on hold." " No available items" 13:42 jajm schnydszch_, i don't have any other idea... :/ 13:39 schnydszch_ is my ILS Connection test through ILS-DI 13:39 schnydszch_ jajm same as before http response 200 13:31 schnydszch_ i'm trying to upload the opac alpha 13:30 jajm schnydszch_, can you confirm your drupal installation have access to koha ils-di ? (you can see it in admin » config » opac servers » YOUR SERVER, or, in URL terms, /admin/config/opac/servers/manage/YOURSERVER/view) 13:27 schnydszch_ jajm, i'm seeing opac alpha uploaded 11/19 13:27 schnydszch_ jajm i have just run it 13:25 jajm schnydszch_, did you run the updatedb after upgrading to 3.x ? 13:21 cait not right now sorry :( 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13289 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Calendar with weekly repeating holidays completely broken by DataTables upgrade 13:19 oleonard Can someone please see if they can reproduce Bug 13289? 13:16 schnydszch_ same errors 13:16 schnydszch_ jajm, I tried the dev versions still getting the 13:14 cait hm 8 hours? 13:14 cait i think the next meeting in a few hours? 13:02 schnydszch_ i look at my perl module of the same, it's 0.03 13:01 schnydszch_ here's the link http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/F/FA/FAYLAND/Template-Plugin-HtmlToText-0.03.tar.gz 13:01 schnydszch_ littleboss maybe you need to install the perl module manually 12:59 cait thx oleonard 12:55 oleonard cait++ # for chairing the meeting earlier 12:54 Joubu tcohen: yep 12:52 tcohen Joubu: would u agree to rename mock_dbh for mock_context? 12:52 littleboss koha 3.16.04 on ubuntu 14 12:51 littleboss :( 12:51 littleboss any pointers 12:51 littleboss Have installed it by hand still missing 12:51 littleboss This module is driving me nuts ! Template::Plugin::HtmlToText 12:50 oleonard Hi #koha 12:38 tcohen hi again 12:28 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 12.1°C (1:28 PM CET on November 19, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 12:28 mveron @wunder Allschwil 12:28 * mveron waves 12:09 cait #communicating even 12:09 cait tcohen++ # commnicating :) 12:06 * magnuse waves temporarily 12:03 wahanui hey, tcohen 12:03 tcohen hi 10:50 Joubu mveron: looks good, thanks! 10:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash 10:45 mveron Joubu: Bug 10956 changed 10:31 schnydszch okay thanks, I'm trying it now. I downloaded it already 10:28 jajm koha-connector 3.x-dev was not visible on drupal.org, but i just fixed that 10:27 schnydszch okay jajm, i'll try 10:27 jajm schnydszch, you should probably upgrade to 3.x-dev for both 10:27 schnydszch opac-7.x-2.0 10:26 jajm schnydszch, and which version of opac ? 10:24 schnydszch koha_connector-7.x-2.x-dev 10:23 jajm schnydszch, hmm, which version of koha-connector do you use ? 10:22 schnydszch somewhere along the line 456: // Title information. $bib['title'] = ''; $title = $this->get(array('value' => '200$a'), $bib_info_marc); $bib['title'] = $title[0]; if (!$bib['title']) { $bib['title'] = ' '; 10:21 schnydszch jajm, probably this error above the message will help (?): Undefined offset: 0 koha.inc:456 10:17 Joubu mveron: yes I saw. That's why I suggested you to use the same code 10:16 littleboss installed. bn doing that on past installs 10:15 littleboss downloaded the kohalatest 10:15 littleboss yes 10:15 schnydszch ? 10:15 schnydszch you passed through koha web installer 10:14 littleboss schnydszch it has funnyly installed but the the recheck still fails 10:14 schnydszch control no 10:14 schnydszch 001 I mean 10:14 littleboss mtj it installs but the recheck still fails 10:13 wahanui control field is number ? 10:13 schnydszch how about control field? 10:13 schnydszch jajm, okay i'll try to look at my marc records 10:13 schnydszch littleboss, yeah never experienced that as of late since using the debian package 10:12 jajm schnydszch, try with a non-item field, a non-repeatable one if possible 10:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash 10:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8646 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, CLOSED FIXED, Certain search terms cause browser "script taking too long" error 10:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9419 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, The highlight feature can cause a browser freeze 10:12 mveron Joubu: The fixes in bug 9419 and bug 8646 are related to the prog theme (Opac). My fix in Bug 10956 is for bootstrap 10:12 littleboss schnydszch thnks for the heads-up 10:10 schnydszch ; Itype biblioFields[itype][label] = 952 Items type biblioFields[itype][description] = "items type in 952\$y marc field." biblioFields[itype][get][0][value] = '952$y' biblioFields[itype][default] = 'INC' 10:10 schnydszch i edited 995 to 952 10:10 schnydszch yep 10:09 jajm schnydszch, an item field ? 10:09 schnydszch which is the itemtype 10:09 schnydszch yes it's in 952$y 10:07 schnydszch littleboss, you can follow this http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze I'm not sure if it's doable in Ubuntu 10:07 littleboss schnydszch let me share the error 10:07 littleboss schnydszch tried it 10:06 jajm schnydszch, Books content type corresponds to a MARC field in koha.conf, do your Koha records have 'BK' in this MARC field ? 10:06 schnydszch littleboss try cpan 10:04 littleboss schnydszch: stuck at web installer step 1 because of Template::Plugin::HtmlToText 10:04 schnydszch jajm, Books content type 10:04 schnydszch jajm, "/^BK$/" 10:04 schnydszch Books content type 10:03 jajm schnydszch, on which field do you try to match '^BK$' ? 10:03 littleboss running it on ubuntu :) 10:02 schnydszch by the way, koha installation is debian package 10:01 schnydszch jajm, i've tried with books field value "/^BK$/" and only mapping is ISBN because it was the only field I can edit on the fly (from 010 to 020). I'm still getting the same error 10:01 littleboss schnydszch: from here http://download.koha-community.org/koha-latest.tar.gz 09:57 schnydszch littleboss, is this for koha-restful? if it is, I was not successful installing it 09:53 littleboss schnydszch: building a test env to handle this any suggestions ? 09:52 littleboss schnydszch: how did you get past Package libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is not available error in 3.16.4 09:45 schnydszch jajm, okay i'll try 09:45 schnydszch can somebody using 3.16.4 confirm if they're getting the same. In circulation and fine rules, heard due date is non editable. Whenever it is edited it sets to None define. i've also tried this with bywater's http://intranet.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl which is 3.17.x Please confirm. Thanks! 09:44 jajm schnydszch, as i said, maybe it's not possible to use an item field for that, could you try with another field ? 09:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8646 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, CLOSED FIXED, Certain search terms cause browser "script taking too long" error 09:42 Joubu mveron: see bug 8646 too 09:41 schnydszch jajm, okay. I have a item type RETRATO in Koha ILS. In Drupal, I have content type retrato. i tried in field value "/^RETRATO$/" and "/RETRATO /" But still giving me WD OPAC HARVEST: Can't determine the content type for record n° 19 [warning] coming from filipinas_library server. Title: . Switch this record when I issue drush opac-harvest --from=1 --to=20 --print-id -v 09:40 Joubu mveron: maybe it could be good to have the same function 09:39 Joubu the patch fixed opac-results only... 09:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9419 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, The highlight feature can cause a browser freeze 09:39 Joubu bug 9419 09:39 Joubu mveron: 9419: 09:38 mveron Joubu:I searchd Bugzilla first, but did not find anything. That's why I worked on it. Do you rmember the Bug number? 09:37 jajm schnydszch, koha-restful is not needed for opac-harvest, it uses ILS-DI GetRecords 09:35 Joubu at least submited a patch! 09:35 mveron Joubu: Fixed in master? 09:35 Joubu weird, let me check 09:34 Joubu mveron: I have already fixed that! 09:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash 09:31 * mveron neded quite a time to find a three line fix for Bug 10956 freezing browser while highlighting... 09:29 mveron hi #koha 09:11 schnydszch I was thinking that could be one of the reason(s)? 09:11 schnydszch oh.. one question further. Is the koha-restful needed to be configured? or ILS-DI is enough? 09:07 jajm schnydszch, maybe it's a bad idea to use an item field for guessing the content type, there could be multiple different values, also we never used an item field for that, so you probably found a bug 09:06 schnydszch http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wheke.org 09:06 schnydszch it was the default 09:05 schnydszch it's inaccessible for me. right now, itype is 995 09:05 jajm schnydszch, hmm... wheke.org is still up for me 09:04 schnydszch by the way, wheke.org is down, this was presented in Koha Con '13 :) 09:02 jajm schnydszch, what do you have in koha.conf about itemtype ? 09:00 schnydszch as i see in the mapping 09:00 schnydszch the itemtype is 995. however the field for itemtype is 952 08:59 jajm it seems that the rule you set doesn't match 08:58 schnydszch I've already configured. do i need to configure them all. I only configured one field 08:58 jajm schnydszch, https://www.drupal.org/node/1780226 08:57 jajm schnydszch, you need to configure the content types for your opac server, in drupal admin 08:56 paul_p schnydszch (the author of the connector is jajm, not me. I'm jajm boss ;-) ) 08:55 schnydszch i'm testing this in Koha 3.16.4 drush version 6.2.0 and drupal 7.28. hi paul_p :) 08:53 schnydszch is this related to the koha connector not configured for UNIMARC? or another thing 08:52 schnydszch WD OPAC HARVEST: Can't determine the content type for record 08:52 schnydszch so the koha.conf in one of the files in the module needs to be configured. However, when I run the drush opac-harvest I get this WD OPAC HARVEST: Can't determine the content type for record 08:47 jajm schnydszch, hi, the koha connector is very configurable, but maybe some things are UNIMARC only, like 200$a for the title (but that could be changed easily in the source code) 08:45 paul_p jajm ^ 08:44 schnydszch please correct me if I'm wrong, is the Koha connector module in drupal for UNIMARC only? 08:39 schnydszch hi sophiem of biblibre, i have question regarding koha-drupal koha connector 08:33 rangi not sure, the cron is set up, ill set it to mail me instead of > /dev/null so i can see if it throws an error 08:32 Joubu So what the problem? 08:32 Joubu rangi: yep! 08:31 rangi just ran it manually, look better now? 08:31 rangi Joubu: it should be running every morning, it might have died for some reason, ill check 08:30 littleboss mtj: true 08:28 * cait waves 08:27 mtj ..you can always create a new linux VM, to test :) 08:27 mtj no probs littleboss 08:26 littleboss mtj: let me try tht will get back to you asap 08:25 littleboss :eythian bn checking it out in vain 08:25 littleboss mtj: yes 08:18 Joubu rangi: I don't see patches I sent recently 08:18 Joubu rangi: do you know when the spliter update its data? 08:18 mtj i think you miss this step? ^ 08:17 mtj . 08:17 mtj deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main 08:17 mtj 'To get the stable 3.16 release, add this to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file:' 08:15 mtj -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze 08:15 mtj littleboss: are you following the good install instructions? 08:14 eythian littleboss: it sounds like you might not have the Koha repo sources added correctly, I'll let mtj help with that :) 08:14 * eythian is not good at leaving but it really doing it now 08:14 eythian there is a version of libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl in all the Koha repos. 08:14 littleboss mtj: :) 08:13 littleboss mtj: what would be the work around 08:12 mtj you have some mistake with your apt sources , i think 08:11 littleboss is only available from another source 08:11 littleboss This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or 08:11 littleboss mtj: Package libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is not available, but is referred to by another package. 08:11 littleboss mtj: E: Package 'libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl' has no installation candidate 08:09 mtj littleboss: paste error there ^ 08:09 wahanui i think paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org 08:09 mtj paste? 08:09 mtj hmm, ok 08:09 littleboss mtj: all the other modules install 08:08 littleboss mtj: have an error on that 08:08 mtj ok, got it :) 08:08 Joubu mtj: that's it, I did not write this module (Clickatell.pm) 08:08 mtj littleboss: # apt-get intsall libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl 08:07 mtj aah Joubu, you made a general SMS patch? - not a patch for clickatell 08:07 Joubu mtj: ha yes :) I forgot this email 08:06 littleboss mtj: pachkages yes 08:06 littleboss mtj: Had to step away 08:06 mtj Joubu: https://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/msg06687.html 08:04 * eythian makes like a tree and leaves 08:04 Joubu mtj: I had problems with clickatell? Hum, it had to be someone else, I don't know what is clickatell :) 08:03 littleboss mtj: Yes 08:03 eythian Joubu: thanks :D 08:02 Joubu eythian: I will try to have a look at your new syspref cache patch 08:01 eythian hi Joubu, alex_a 07:59 rangi hi Joubu 07:59 rangi [off] seems not too snarky to me 07:59 Joubu hello #koha 07:58 rangi [off] i was gonna reply to it, but hadnt got round to it 07:56 eythian [off] I hope my snarky reply about the cataloguing interface wasn't too snarky. We shall see. 07:55 alex_a bonjour 07:44 * cait runs off to work 07:44 * cait waves 07:44 wahanui hello, reiveune 07:44 reiveune hello 07:37 mtj i see Joubu had some problems with koha and clickatell, and needed to patch 07:36 mtj with his GSM box 07:36 mtj http://search.cpan.org/dist/SMS-Send-DeviceGsm/lib/SMS/Send/DeviceGsm.pm 07:36 mtj hmm, i think Malik might be better off using this... 07:26 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze 07:24 mtj littleboss: you are installing koha using packages, yes? 07:16 Malik____ quite: 07:14 littleboss hello can help fixing the install for this dep on koha 3.16 Template::Plugin::HtmlToText 07:14 Malik____ nice and thanks now i will start working with Clickatell 07:11 mtj http://search.cpan.org/~nobull/SMS-Send-Clickatell-0.02/lib/SMS/Send/Clickatell.pm 07:11 mtj ...and has perl driver too 07:10 mtj https://www.clickatell.com/test-sms-gateway/ 07:10 Malik____ ok let me check 07:09 mtj Malik____: clickatell.com looks good for PK 07:04 Malik____ i think GSM has drivers those are compatible with pearl 07:04 Malik____ what 07:03 mtj ok, then you have a problem 07:03 Malik____ i have tried but there API are not working in Pakistan 07:03 mtj ...choose a company, that has a working driver for perl 07:02 Malik____ in GSM device i am using a mobile phone company 07:02 schnydszch I haven't tried it. I actually wanted to test this, however there are none yet in the Philippines. 07:01 mtj you need to choose a good SMS company Malik____ 07:01 Malik____ i have tried these but i am working with GSM device is it possible to configure this device with koha on ubuntu 07:01 schnydszch you enable in sms send driver in global system preference the driver for sending your SMS (SMSSendDriver) 06:58 schnydszch Malik: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Use-the-SMS-Send-driver-to-send-SMS-messages-in-Koha-td5727805.html 06:57 mtompset Have a great day, #koha schnydszch RTerrenal rangi mtj Malik____ dcook 06:54 Malik____ hello to all i am working with sms configuration in koha so can anyone tell me that how it is possible to send notices to patrons in SMS 06:44 rangi https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication.html 06:44 schnydszch okay, I''m setting some cron jobs on mine through webmin, it's easier to manage through an interface :) 06:43 schnydszch as they say yeah it's a bad idea to backup hourly 06:43 rangi and nightly full dumps 06:43 rangi id suggest doing actual replication 06:42 rangi doing a full backup when the library is in heavy use is not a good idea, if you want it for hourly 06:42 mtompset schnydszch: The backup script is written for daily purposes, there is nothing hourly. A DB dump hourly is quickest and easiest. 06:42 rangi so will cause lock ups/ go slows while you are doing it 06:42 Malik____ ok got that 06:42 rangi bearing in mind it will lock tables etc as its doing it 06:42 rangi just write a cronjob that dumps the db every hour 06:41 schnydszch set the settings to do it hourly 06:40 Malik____ but i want hourly backup 06:40 mtompset Malik____: There is a cronjob installed by default for a package installation that does 2 days automatically. 06:39 Malik____ can any one tell me 06:39 schnydszch good night to all that's about to go to sleep. Good day to others! :) 06:39 Malik____ how to take schedule backup of koha 06:39 huginn mtompset: Karma for "manny" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 06:39 mtompset @karma manny 06:38 schnydszch you're welcome mtompset 06:38 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 06:38 dcook night all 06:36 mtompset RTerrenal++ 06:36 huginn 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 06:36 bag just a reminder --> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 if anyone could maybe sign-off that last patch from eythian that would be rad 06:36 mtompset manny++ 06:36 huginn mtompset: Karma for "everyone" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. 06:36 Oak later gbengaadara 06:36 mtompset @karma everyone 06:36 manny everyone++ 06:35 gbengaadara bye folks 06:35 Oak rangi only cait and mtompset need to sleep i think 06:35 mtompset Thanks to the Filipino contingent that made it: manny schnydszch RTerrenal 06:35 bag I'm off to bed 06:35 gbengaadara cait++ 06:35 rangi I'm off to put kids to bed 06:35 Oak everyone++ 06:35 * dcook sighs over SQL::Translator::Diff 06:35 Oak bag++ 06:35 Oak cait++ 06:35 mtompset bag++ # subchairing. :) 06:34 mtompset cait++ # awesome chairing. 06:34 cait i am going back to bed for a bit before work now :) 06:34 mtompset -- I was going to say nope, but that's okay. :P 06:34 bag thanks cait 06:34 cait thx for staying with me 06:34 BobB thank you cait 06:34 Oak :) 06:34 cait heh thx Oak :) 06:34 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1.2014-11-19-05.04.log.html 06:34 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1.2014-11-19-05.04.txt 06:34 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1.2014-11-19-05.04.html 06:34 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 19 06:34:22 2014 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 06:34 cait #endmeeting 06:34 * Oak hugs cait 06:34 cait anything else? 06:33 mtompset This is crazy late. :) 06:33 cait #agreed meeting part 1 suggests December 17th for the next meeting 06:33 mtompset +1 06:33 mtompset okay. 06:33 Oak +1 06:33 cait any veto? 06:33 bag +1 06:33 cait we can suggest a date and leave times to the other meeting heh 06:33 mtj dec 17 +1 06:33 rangi Fine by me 06:33 cait ) 06:33 BobB snap 06:33 BobB what about Dec 17? 06:33 cait 17th? 06:32 cait maybe more mid-week? 06:32 Oak mtompset++ 06:32 * mtompset shrugs. 06:32 cait ah right, i was looking at november 06:32 mtompset That's the last friday before Christmas holidays. 06:32 cait any suggestions on the time? 06:31 cait should work for me 06:31 rangi 19 December? 06:31 cait maybe early december? 06:31 cait i am tired :) any suggestions? 06:30 cait #topic Set time and date of next General IRC meeting 06:30 cait i think if not it's probably on his list still :) 06:30 cait some are on the wiki 06:29 mtompset Actually, did Tomas get the presentations uploaded? 06:29 cait so next meeting... 06:29 BobB all done there cait 06:29 cait also, we figured out kohacon15... looking good to me on the list 06:28 mtompset Yes, indeed. 06:27 cait #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_22_october_2014.2014-10-22-13.05.html 06:27 cait tcohen++ getting the film done :) 06:27 cait cheking 06:27 mtompset Were there any actions? 06:27 cait #topic Actions from General IRC meeting 22 October 2014 06:27 cait hm getting too tired 06:27 cait #info Actions from General IRC meeting 22 October 2014 06:26 cait move on? 06:26 cait #info we generally like the idea, but no volunteer yet 06:26 cait heh 06:26 cait i think it could be good, but i am not listening to it regularly 06:26 rangi As long as it's not me, I'm for it 06:25 Oak [off] WAKE UP magnuse! 06:25 mtompset But yes, seems like a good idea to me. :) 06:25 mtompset Sounds like a Communications Manager thing. ;) 06:25 cait any thoughts? :) 06:25 cait who is sleeping now... tsk 06:24 cait this is from magnuse i think 06:24 cait #topic Koha on FLOSS weekly 06:24 bag yup moving on 06:24 cait moving on? 06:23 rangi thanks gbengaadara 06:23 gbengaadara we will update both the wiki and http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/getting-to-ibadan/ 06:23 mtompset gbengaadara: You might want to fix the dates section. :) 06:23 huginn dcook: ribasushi was last seen in #koha 4 days, 22 hours, 23 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <ribasushi> dcook: can you tell me where in the docs does it say that chaining will work the way you expected? can't seem to find it... 06:23 dcook @seen ribasushi 06:22 gbengaadara noted oak 06:22 Oak but October may not be hot i guess. 06:22 Oak and maybe what to pack specific to your part of the world, for example, sunscreen? 06:22 schnydszch rangi, its posted here http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/getting-to-ibadan/ but if the community wants a more detailed one then please Olug :) 06:21 gbengaadara thanks 06:21 gbengaadara noted @rangi 06:21 rangi but no other questions 06:21 rangi helps when researching flights/prices 06:20 rangi like what airport is closest, etc 06:20 rangi gbengaadara: if you could put up travel info asap that would be great 06:20 mtompset Nope. just a little sad that the Philippines didn't get their bid in on time. But we have 2016 already under way. :) 06:20 rangi liw++ 06:19 wahanui Questions are good :) 06:19 gbengaadara Questions?? 06:19 Oak gbengaadara++ 06:19 liw http://imgur.com/ZfFPZjt may be amusing 06:19 cait thx gbengaadara for doing it 06:19 gbengaadara and great thanks for allowing us to host this 06:18 gbengaadara We will keep the community posted as we move forward 06:18 cait #info http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon15 06:18 cait rangi++ 06:18 gbengaadara thanks rangi and cait 06:17 cait we can help figure it out 06:17 cait gbengaadara: sure, just jump in here when there is a wiki problem 06:17 rangi its all ready for you to start editing :) 06:17 rangi gbengaadara: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon15 06:16 rangi yep, its a great place to put notes etc as you are planning things 06:16 gbengaadara May need help about that though 06:16 gbengaadara and can edit that. 06:16 gbengaadara I just learnt today we can create the conference wiki page 06:16 cait any questions for gbengaadara? 06:15 gbengaadara Thanks cait 06:15 cait gbengaadara++ sounds good 06:15 cait #link http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/ 06:14 mtompset http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/ 06:13 gbengaadara and follow the usual Kohacon pattern for conference and hackfest 06:12 gbengaadara We have a suggestion to host from 19th Oct. to 25th Oct 06:12 gbengaadara ok then 06:11 cait late #info s are always ok too 06:11 BobB hi olug 06:11 gbengaadara hi all 06:11 mtj hiya gbengaadara :) 06:11 cait it's alright :) the meetings are at weird times 06:10 gbengaadara I did not just want jump in 06:10 rangi it must be early for you gbengaadara 06:10 gbengaadara Sorry was late 06:10 gbengaadara yes 06:10 cait gbengaadara: ? 06:10 cait i am not sure, is someone from Nigeria here? 06:09 cait #topic KohaCon15 06:09 bag thank you very much BobB 06:09 BobB np 06:09 Oak BobB++ 06:09 cait moving on? 06:09 cait BobB++ thx 06:09 cait #action BobB will email the mailing list about the new roles 06:09 BobB yes I can 06:08 cait is somonewilling to write to the ml ?:) 06:08 BobB yep 06:08 cait #agreed Look for a Wiki Curator and Communication manager 06:08 cait what can i put in the agreed? 06:07 Oak yes! i was thinking same thing. 06:07 BobB good point bag 06:07 bag I think part of the call for volunteers - will be they get to help create and shape this role too 06:06 cait ok, any veto? 06:06 schnydszch *other media 06:06 schnydszch media as in TV, newspaper and radio? 06:06 bag +1 06:06 rangi *nod* 06:06 BobB if we find people to fill them its a win, if we don't nothing is lost 06:06 mtompset but back on topic... yes, let's put that out on the list for a call for nominations. 06:06 rangi minute that at least 06:06 rangi should we agree on the positions? 06:05 cait Oak++ :) 06:05 mtompset true, true. :) 06:05 rangi thats pr people and pr people :) 06:05 rangi i think calling people on fox news journalists is a huge disservice to journalists :) 06:05 bag awesome Oak !!! 06:05 Oak Fox News.... really bad example 06:05 cait :) 06:05 mtompset both journalists and pr people lie, rangi. Fox News. ;) 06:04 Oak i feel like i can do that. 06:04 mtompset Okay, I think I got it. 06:04 rangi more like a journalist than a pr person ... we dont expect them to actually lie ;-) 06:04 rangi you know when you see somethign come across the list, 1000 libraries in turkey using koha .. someone who follows that up, finds out more info, gets it more widely circulated etc 06:04 BobB #info, if agreed to, these roles would be defined and advertised on the list: a call for nominations 06:03 bag Oak +1 06:03 BobB Oak +1 06:03 Oak when you choose that person, i can be his/her assistant. 06:03 BobB necessarily 06:02 BobB but not to do stuff, oneself 06:02 mtompset Public Relations person? 06:02 rangi yes 06:02 BobB a coordinator of stuff that is already happening, and a stirrer to make more stuff happen 06:02 cait help us do good things AND actually talk about it? :) 06:02 rangi thats a whole other thing 06:02 rangi no 06:01 mtompset A Koha Evangelist? 06:01 BobB its broader imo 06:01 cait mtompset: i think reaching into other media/places a bit more 06:01 BobB rangi ++ 06:01 mtompset Isn't that part of what the newsletter folks are doing? or is that something more than that? 06:01 BobB liaise with the newsletter eds, bash people to write articles, etc 06:00 rangi they dont have to write it, but they can learn who to ask to write things, and then where to send them 06:00 cait nudge people to get their news into the newsletter.. on the blog... write something up etc 06:00 BobB I mailed the list about it but don't have that to hand .... 06:00 rangi press releases, get info out about the releases to places like librarytechnology.org etc 06:00 rangi pretty much what coms do at any organisation 05:59 mtompset What is the idea for a communication manager? 05:59 BobB #info /Wiki Manager/ Wiki Curator/ 05:59 rangi i like the idea, finding volunteers would be the trick, but we can ask and see if anyone does volunteer 05:59 BobB oops big correction, gives a whole different sense of, thx mtompset 05:58 BobB #info who are busy enough already 05:58 mtompset ^nor^not^ 05:58 BobB #info peeps thought these might be available to Librarians rather than developers ... 05:58 mtompset The agenda says curator nor maintainer. ;) 05:58 BobB #info and a Communications Manager 05:58 BobB #info the proposal is to establish a Wiki Maintainer as a member of the release team 05:57 BobB #info This arose from the same discussion 05:57 cait #topic Establish new roles within the release team 05:57 * mtompset likes that idea. 05:56 cait #idea use the next meeting to have more discussion, past and future on the road map 05:56 BobB yep, ok 05:56 cait moving on? 05:56 cait first retro and road map meeting than? 05:56 BobB :) 05:56 mtompset So it aligns nicely. 05:56 BobB exactly mtompset 05:55 cait i think the general response was positive - souns good tome too 05:55 mtompset Actually won't the next meeting be after the release? 05:55 bag maybe at the next meeting - we do it 05:55 rangi sounds good to me BobB 05:55 BobB #idea so we could endorse the idea today, and list it for more discussion at the next meeting? 05:55 cait i like that 05:55 Oak +1 05:55 cait +1 05:55 rangi and update the roadmpa at that 05:55 cait #idea Have a retrospective meeting as part of the release process 05:55 rangi what went well, what didnt, what can we do better 05:55 Oak yes! 05:54 rangi so part of the release process can be a retrospective meeting 05:54 cait sounds good to me 05:54 rangi for now, lets focus our energy on it, and people can write notes and we can look at them post release 05:54 cait thought we could collect some ideas 05:54 BobB there might be big bugs, but certainly not every bug, or even close 05:53 rangi cait: we dont have to decide that til after the release 05:53 cait or many bugs :) 05:53 cait hm I think as we are collectiing more general ideas, there might not be bugs 05:53 mtompset from bugzilla? 05:53 cait but i think then the next question would be - how do we get started? 05:52 bag +1 05:52 BobB #info but that its maintenance can also be a continuous process 05:52 cait I'd like to try it :) 05:52 BobB #info that the meeting after each major release could consider updates to the road map 05:52 cait sorry BobB 05:52 rangi so its not fixed, always moving, more of a aspirational list than a roadmap 05:52 * dcook likes this idea 05:52 cait #info the idea is to reevaluate after each release 05:52 BobB #info It was also suggested .. 05:52 BobB oh yeah, thx rangi 05:51 rangi the idea is its reevaluated after each major release 05:51 Oak an aerial view :) 05:51 BobB that's it 05:51 BobB #info with a link to a separate page where the full RFC might be 05:50 BobB #info It was suggested the Road Map could have just a brief description of each proposal ... 05:50 BobB #info The suggestion is to include both proposed new features and also plumbing improvements 05:50 mtompset functionality plans? 05:49 cait so more.. general things we work towards to than a schedule? 05:49 BobB #info so people can see what is coming up, but not necessarily when it might get there 05:48 BobB so it becomes a bit of a strategic plan for the code, if you like 05:48 BobB #info not linked to any one release 05:48 BobB #info the idea is to have a road map that is not time linked, 05:47 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.12 05:47 BobB so now 05:47 BobB but if features were held up it got messy 05:47 BobB http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.12 05:47 BobB we used to have release specific roadmaps, like this: 05:46 BobB this arose on the sidelines of KohaCon14 05:46 cait BobB: do you want to explain a bit? 05:46 mtompset :) 05:46 cait can't leave that typo in 05:46 mtompset ^roat^road^ 05:46 cait #topic Establish a road map for Koha 05:46 cait sec 05:46 cait #topic Establish a roat map for Koha 05:46 cait koha++ 05:45 cait we almost got a release team! 05:45 cait first part of the meeting is done with elections now :) 05:45 mtj heh, indeed mtompset :0) 05:45 bag yeah that would 05:45 cait #agreed Release Maintainer 3.16: Mason James 05:45 mtompset Because it would be super weird to not have a 3.16 RM. :) 05:45 RTerrenal +1 05:45 clint_ +1 05:45 rangi +1 05:45 BobB +1 05:45 Oak +1 05:45 cait +1 05:45 mtompset And yes... +1 for mtj as 3.16 05:44 bag +1 for mtj for 3.16 05:44 cait so please vote on rmaint for 3.16 - candidate is Mason James 05:44 Oak :) 05:44 cait all good 05:44 cait ok, my browser was being werid 05:44 Oak added him here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 05:44 mtompset I do. 05:44 cait hm don't see mtj on the wiki yet? 05:43 mtompset Conflict of interest, manny. :P 05:43 manny + 1 mtompset 05:43 mtj aah, # unchair -> http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html 05:43 mtompset Nah. I can't commit. 05:43 cait do you want to add yourself? 05:43 cait mtompset: that might be right :) 05:42 mtompset Reading the job description, every so often, I guess I feel like one. 05:42 rangi +1 05:42 cait #agreed Bug Wrangler: Magnus Enger 05:42 BobB magnuse +1 05:42 mtompset +1 05:42 cait +1 :) 05:42 RTerrenal +1 05:42 Oak +1 05:42 bag oh yeah!!! +1 magnuse! 05:41 cait Plase vote: Bug Wrangler - Magnus Enger 05:41 cait Last but not least before we go back to the top: Bug Wranglers 05:41 bag BobB++ 05:41 BobB #standup? 05:41 cait #agreed Packaging Manager: Robin Sheat 05:41 bag HA! 05:41 bag #dechair 05:40 Oak +1 05:40 bag +1 05:40 clint_ +1 05:40 cait +1 05:40 mtompset +1 -- eythian rocks. 05:40 cait mtompset: i odn't know, but you can have a list of people chairing 05:40 BobB +1 05:40 cait Please vote on Packaging Manager: Robin Sheat 05:40 mtompset then how do you unchair? 05:40 bag oh yeah :P 05:40 cait i am still :) 05:40 huginn Current chairs: bag cait 05:40 bag #chair cait 05:40 cait #agreed QA team: Marcel de Rooy, Jonathan Druart, Paul Poulain, Christopher Brannon, Brendan Gallagher, Martin Renvoize, Kyle M Hall 05:39 bag #agreed Quality Assurance (QA) Team (all listed on the wiki) 05:39 mtj +1 for all 05:39 BobB no objections 05:39 clint_ no objection 05:39 cait i will start typing :) 05:39 mtompset Nope. :) 05:39 bag objections? 05:39 BobB QA team +1 05:39 bag yes you can :D 05:38 cait i think i can? +1 :) 05:38 cait :) 05:38 cait I am quite happy with the list 05:38 bag no vote 05:38 BobB and RM has final call 05:38 mtompset Okay, given that clarified criteria, and rangi's vote of confidence... I'm +1 for all. 05:38 bag he wants to start small - not QAing the large patches - but the smaller ones 05:38 rangi Bbiab 05:37 rangi All the qa team including Christopher Brannon have my vote 05:37 bag I've learned more when I vounteered to be a QA person 05:37 mtompset We should all do signoffs. 05:37 mtompset AMEN! 05:37 cait but we all shoudl do sign offs... right? :) 05:37 cait i think a decent amount of sign offs before would be good 05:37 bag IMO mtompset I think as long as you volunteer - then lets give it a shot 05:36 * rangi is sorta here dealing with kids 05:36 cait i think we don't have a strict rule currently 05:36 cait ah forgot bag is also on the list - so much for the plan :) 05:36 mtompset What does it take to be considered for QA? how long should you have worked on/with Koha? 05:35 mtompset The "would like to be considered" 05:35 bag yes go ahead mtompset 05:35 bag Kyle M Hall (continuing) 05:35 bag Martin Renvoize (continuing) 05:35 bag Brendan Gallagher (continuing - some months stronger than others ;) ) 05:35 bag Christopher Brannon (would like to be considered) 05:35 bag Paul Poulain (continuing) 05:35 bag Jonathan Druart (continuing) 05:35 bag Marcel de Rooy (continuing) 05:35 mtompset Just a quick question. 05:35 bag (pasting in names - one sec) 05:35 schnydszch i saw some of the QA in the very nice video produced by UNC (Argentina) 05:35 bag please vote for the whole team for --> Quality Assurance (QA) Team 05:34 bag #agreed Quality Assurance (QA) Manager - Katrin Fischer 05:34 RTerrenal +1 05:33 manny +1 05:33 schnydszch +1 05:33 mtompset +1 -- like that is hard to vote on. :) 05:33 bag +1 05:33 bag [off] was typing 05:33 BobB +1 05:33 mtompset cait++ # nice removing conflict of interest. 05:33 bag Please vote on the Quality Assurance (QA) Manager - Katrin Fischer 05:32 BobB Good procedure Koha, ++ 05:32 * cait pokes bag 05:32 bag umm ok 05:32 * cait hands voting for qa over to bag ;) 05:31 huginn Current chairs: bag cait 05:31 cait #chair bag 05:31 cait #agreed (Database) Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard 05:31 Oak +1 05:31 BobB +1 05:31 schnydszch very much +1 for Nicole Engard 05:31 RTerrenal +1 05:31 manny +1 05:31 clint_ +1 05:31 cait +1 05:31 bag +1 05:31 cait So please vote for (Database) Documentation manager, candidate is Nicole Engard 05:30 mtompset nicole is the queen of documentation. +1 05:30 Oak ok :) 05:30 cait i'd like to vote documentation togehter, that ok? 05:30 mtj ok for me Oak :) 05:30 * mtompset laughs. 05:30 cait i will just continue and put you at the end - in case you change your mind ;) 05:30 Oak i can do it so mtj can focus on the meeting? 05:29 mtj yes, will do cait 05:29 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 05:29 cait mtj: do you want to add yourself to the wiki? 05:29 cait #agreed Translation manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 05:29 mtompset +1 05:29 BobB +1 05:29 mtompset mtj++ # stepping it up nicely! 05:29 bag +1 05:29 mtompset Really?! 05:29 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, bag 05:29 bag awesome 05:29 bag mtj++ 05:29 mtj hey cait, i would be happy to do 3.16 RMaint role 05:28 mtj next to NZ :p 05:28 cait BobB, mtj - where is Australia? :) 05:27 mtompset I have a question about the QA team, that's all. nothing negative. :) 05:27 Oak +1 05:27 cait oh? 05:27 mtompset +1 to everything... until we hit QA team. :) 05:27 bag +1 go bernardo ! 05:27 cait +1 :) 05:27 cait Please vote on Translation manager - Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 05:26 schnydszch +1 to all also no objection 05:26 cait Translation manager - comments or questions? 05:26 cait moving on 05:26 cait #agreed Module Maintainers: Martin Renvoize (Auth), Colin Campbell (SIP), Kyle M Hall (Holds), Galen Charlton (Patron Privacy) 05:26 mtompset Okay, then I'm all in. :) +1 to all. 05:26 cait he usually comments on the sip patches too 05:25 bag yeah 05:25 cait yep, even qa manager 05:25 bag he was a QA person awhile ago too 05:25 cait colin works for ptfs europe, he has some plumbing/architecture patches in too, improving code 05:25 bag colin has done a lot with SIP 05:24 cait (sip tends to get stuck a bit) 05:24 mtompset What other work has Colin done? 05:24 cait especially happy about patron privacy and sip :) 05:24 Oak +1 to all 05:24 cait +1 to all from me too 05:24 bag +1 05:24 clint_ no objection 05:23 BobB +1 to all 05:23 cait Please vote on the module maintainers as listed on the wiki (auth, sip, holds, patron privacy) 05:23 bag no objection 05:22 cait paul_p 05:22 cait siileeence :) 05:22 mtompset Who is PP? 05:22 cait any questions for comments before we vote? 05:22 cait Next are the module maintainers, please refer to the wiki for those :) 05:21 cait #agreed Release Maintainers: 3.18 - Chris Cormack and 3.14 - Fridolin Somers 05:21 BobB +2 :) 05:21 clint_ +1 +1 05:21 bag +1 +1 05:20 Oak +1 +1 05:20 mtompset Unless someone objects, I don't see why not. 05:20 cait +1 +1 for me as well, no objections :) 05:20 cait is that ok, if we do a group vote? 05:20 mtompset +1 for both. 05:19 cait Please vote for the listed Release Maintainers - we got 3.18 - Chris Cormack and 3.14 Fridolin Somers (cont.) 05:19 cait #agreed Meeting part 1 elects Tomas Cohen Arazi for release manager of 3.20 05:18 RTerrenal +1 05:18 schnydszch +1 05:18 clint_ +1 05:18 BobB +1 05:18 mtompset +1 05:18 bag +1 05:18 Oak +1 05:18 cait +1 ! 05:18 mtompset tcohen++ # most assuredly. 05:17 cait Vote for Release manager please - candidate is Tomas Cohen Arazi 05:17 bag tcohen++ 05:17 bag yes 05:17 Oak tcohen++ 05:17 cait tcohen++ 05:17 bag +1 for them all - no objections 05:17 cait First, I am very happy that we got tcohen to do it again :) 05:17 Oak yes. raising hands won't work sadly. 05:17 cait so let's get started then :) 05:17 mtompset sounds good to me. 05:17 cait the usual? i put the names and everyone +1 -1? 05:16 cait any preference on how to vote? 05:16 cait but as the release is next week ... I think we should still vote :) 05:16 cait #info Wanted: 3.16 Release maintainer 05:15 cait you will all notice... we still lack a 3.16 rmaint 05:15 cait #info Nominations are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 05:15 mtompset Is there a page listing people? 05:15 cait #topic Elections! 05:14 cait ok :) 05:14 mtj go for it cait 05:14 bag sure thing 05:14 cait i'd like to get those done before discussing the other topics 05:14 schnydszch #info Eugene Espinoza House of Representatives Library 05:13 cait would it be ok if we did the elections next? 05:13 bag that should maybe be the last thing that we need for perhaps running the staff-side safely on plack 05:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 05:13 cait #info bug 11998 is waiting for sign off - syspref caching issues 05:13 huginn 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 05:13 bag I'd like it if someone could look at http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 05:13 cait anything else? 05:12 Oak Amen. 05:12 cait ... and also 3.18 is gonna rock :) 05:12 cait #info There is a list of critical bugs to be solved before release on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Critical_circ_bugs 05:11 cait #info Release 3.18 is on 28th next week 05:11 cait #info String Freeze for 3.18 is on 20th this week 05:11 bag cait++ 05:11 mtompset [off] you were fine, Katrin. 05:11 cait ok, do we have any release managers or maints around? 05:10 cait [off] don't get me started thinking about my facial expressions and broken english again 05:10 cait me neither, hope that's ok 05:10 dcook [off] But rangi has a great facial expression at 3:02 05:10 cait #info Koha, a community - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHav6PL_4Bo&feature=youtu.be A video made during KohaCon14 in Argentina got published yesterday 05:09 * dcook isn't sure how you want to add that officially :) 05:09 dcook http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHav6PL_4Bo&feature=youtu.be 05:09 cait does someone have the link for an #info? 05:09 Oak yes! 05:09 cait right :) 05:09 mtompset tcohen did an awesome video? 05:08 cait #topic Update on releases (3.8 - 3.18) 05:08 cait any announcements? :) 05:08 mtj #info Mason James, NZ 05:08 RTerrenal #info Ryan Terrenal National library of the Philippines 05:08 cait #topic Announcements 05:07 cait poked people can do their infos later :) 05:07 cait :) ok movig on 05:07 * BobB pokes mtj 05:07 clint_ #info Clint Anact 05:07 clint_ yes 05:07 * cait waits a moment longer for #info s 05:07 cait hi clint_ - here for the meeting? 05:06 * mtompset pokes RTerrenal 05:06 BobB :) 05:06 bag heya BobB 05:06 Oak #info Arslan Farooq, Pakistan 05:05 manny #info Manny, I am Koha- Philippines 05:05 * cait waits for a moment 05:05 BobB hi all, I just came in 05:05 * mtompset pokes RTerrenal and manny 05:05 cait ok, small meeting :) 05:05 dcook #info David Cook, Prosentient Systems 05:05 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia 05:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 05:04 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 05:04 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett, Canadian contributor. 05:04 cait hi, please all introduce yourself with #info 05:04 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 05:04 cait #topic introductions 05:04 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1' 05:04 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 05:04 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 19 05:04:15 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:04 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 19 November 2014 - part 1 05:04 dcook (Damned "double precision" will stop create_ddl_dir() from doing a SQL diff...) 05:03 Oak :) 05:03 cait ok 05:03 cait :) 05:03 cait sshhh Oak 05:03 cait 6 am here 05:03 mtompset It's midnight here. Not I. :) 05:03 Oak did you brush your teeth? 05:03 cait if noone else more awake wants to :) 05:03 cait i think i can 05:02 mtompset cait: Are you chairing? 05:01 wahanui dcook: that doesn't look right 05:01 dcook Change the code dcook...not the POD 05:01 dcook Ahhh 05:01 dcook Man DBIC... 05:00 cait thanks bag 05:00 bag cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_19_November_2014 04:59 cait i better go look for the agenda :) 04:59 cait ok 04:59 mtompset I count 1 minute to meeting plus or minus a minute. :) 04:59 cait :) 04:59 bag I think we are having a meeting 04:58 cait are we having a meeting or can i go back to sleep? :) 04:58 cait heya 04:57 bag heya cait 04:56 * cait waves 04:54 mtompset I'm indifferent, though I can see a benefit for those who actually use koha-gitify. 04:54 mtj how do people feel about getting the koha-* CLI tools working with koha-gitify? 04:48 RTerrenal reading now 04:48 mtompset Ryan, have you read the agenda for the meeting? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_19_November_2014 04:47 bag :) 04:46 mtompset Hopefully we can pull in a Filipino contingent today. :) 04:45 mtompset He said he is here, but I don't know his nickname. 04:43 Oak wdk 04:43 RTerrenal idk 04:41 mtompset Ryan, where's Eugene? 04:40 mtj hiya RTerrenal 04:40 mtj looks like koha-translate could be patched to take non-default paths, pretty easily 04:39 mtompset Glad to see you online here, Ryan. :) 04:39 mtompset Greetings, RTerrenal. :) 04:35 RTerrenal hello everyone 04:35 dcook Hmm, I don't think SQL::Translator likes "double precision" in itemtypes... 04:34 mtj ...assumes /usr/share/koha 04:34 mtj nah, koha-translate doesnt work for gitify setup 04:28 mtompset wouldn't it be the same after you make it a git? 04:27 mtj does anyone have a method for building langs, for a koha-gitify koha? 04:27 mtompset Did anyone see my inquiry that circles about C4::Letters::EnqueueLetter? 04:24 * mtompset waves back to Oak. 04:21 mtj ah, i see it now :) 04:21 * Oak waves 04:20 eythian <eythian> http://search.cpan.org/~ferreira/Carp-Always-0.13/lib/Carp/Always.pm <-- oh handy 04:20 Oak tcohen++ 04:20 mtj fyi, i cant see your previous post eythian 04:20 dcook maybe 04:20 huginn Oak: tcohen was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <tcohen> jcamins++ # liguistic aid 04:20 Oak @seen tcohen 04:20 dcook I suppose the way to do it would be to create a new schema using this dump... then dump it using mysql and see how that compares against kohastructure.sql... 04:20 mtj will do eythian 04:18 eythian mtj: see the link to Carp::Always I posted, run the script from the command line with that loaded, it'll give you a stack trace when it dies. 04:17 dcook But how many are just because they're in different spots in the document.. 04:17 dcook 480 differences between the dumped file and kohastructure.sql 04:16 dcook Hmm, I wonder how it decides what order to do.. 04:16 mtj bootstrap and IT lang - thats good :) 04:15 mtj well... i cant replicate my bug on BL koha (3.17.00.016) 04:14 dcook Then again.. 04:14 dcook Hmm, no warnings or errors, but that was too fast... 04:14 dcook I foresee perhaps one other problem... but fingers crossed 04:11 dcook I should really keep my story straight 04:11 dcook indeed! 04:11 dcook hehe 04:11 eythian not bollocks, butts. 04:11 dcook I had a feeling that might be a problem 04:11 dcook DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::create_ddl_dir(): Can't create a ddl file without SQL::Translator >= 0.11016 04:11 dcook Bollocks 04:10 dcook All right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W6as8oVcuM 04:08 dcook Or in a pinch, manually 04:08 dcook Which can be managed more automagically by DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned 04:08 dcook But if you've included verisons in your code, and in the method call, you can get "diffs" for upgrading too 04:07 dcook create_ddl_dir() will give you a dump of the whole database 04:07 dcook Mmm, I think I understand now 04:06 dcook Seems a shame not to take more advantage of DBIC for managing upgrades 04:06 dcook I think I get it though 04:06 dcook But the Cookbook seems slightly different to the POD for the classes 04:06 dcook nah, it's all DBIC documentation 04:05 mtompset Liblime's? ;) 04:05 dcook Hmm, depending on which documentation I choose to follow... 04:04 dcook Sorry. Not following. I'm going to go try to explode my server now :) 04:03 dcook o_O 04:03 mtompset marcxml is a good catchall. 04:03 mtompset Every possible MARC field/subfield is not represented in the physical data structures. 04:01 dcook mtompset: O_o? 04:01 mtj hum, bug happens with prog theme too 04:01 mtompset dcook: The problem with everyone having different standards is you need a place to dump values that don't make it to fields. 04:01 dcook I think I see the purpose of Koha::Database now as handling the connection.. 04:00 * mtompset is pleased at a duplication removal. 04:00 dcook Although getting rid of biblioitems.marcxml would be cool too... 04:00 mtompset oh. 04:00 eythian sorry :) 04:00 dcook Or dismantle the flux capacitor :p 04:00 eythian heh 04:00 dcook I was going to say after we invert the OPAC 04:00 dcook Darn, eythian 04:00 eythian mtompset: try re-reading 04:00 wajasu whoa! 04:00 mtompset how? 03:59 dcook eythian: sweeeet 03:59 mtompset getting rid of biblioitems.marcxml?! 03:59 * mtj switches themes... 03:59 eythian dcook: oh, apparently we are getting rid of biblioitems.marc 03:59 mtompset I would check log files if you are getting a 500. 03:58 eythian that's not something I would expect bootstrap to cause 03:58 mtj "NetworkError: 500 Internal Server Error - http://mykohaxxx/cgi-bin/koha/svc/shelfbrowser.pl" 03:58 mtj the left/right buttons are giving me 500 errors 03:56 mtj opac shelfbrowser, specifically 03:56 mtj does anyone have problems with the shelfbrowser in bootstrap, for non-EN langs? 03:55 mtj ill try the BL vm's - for a start 03:55 mtompset Koha::Email? 03:54 mtj yo AmitG 03:53 AmitG hi mtj 03:53 mtj hey #koha, is there a good koha-master for testing, on the webs? 03:53 AmitG chris around? 03:52 dcook No idea why we have a Koha::Schema and a Koha::Database... 03:49 dcook Oooh. I see that we have the Perl module there... 03:48 amit_ hi rangi 03:48 amit_ heya chris_n 03:48 dcook But that would just be to dump the whole schema I think 03:47 dcook Hmm, looks like the deploy() method generates the SQL... 03:42 dcook A bit scary at first 03:42 dcook DBIC itself is actually pretty decent :) 03:42 dcook Oh, I meant in terms of deploying the schema 03:41 wizzyrea ^ probably explains it's lack of wide adoption 03:35 dcook Hmm, not as automagical as one would hope 03:28 dcook Whenever we talk about DBIC and kohastructure.sql, we say "for now", but I don't know if anyone is actually planning to deprecate kohastructure.sql... 03:28 dcook All right, I'm going to experiment more with DBIC 03:26 dcook which is actually an office... 03:26 dcook No three Os in this house 03:26 dcook Cool* 03:26 dcook Coool beans :) 03:21 wajasu yeah! 03:21 rangi yep 03:20 wajasu hopefully it will set the charset to utf8 for header Subject, and Attachment filename. 03:20 wahanui niihau, bag 03:20 bag hola 03:17 wizzyrea and boy do we like consistency 03:17 rangi but it does it consistently 03:17 rangi return path, reply to, from etc 03:17 rangi all it does is handle the headers so far 03:17 rangi yep, it should be in master now 03:16 dcook I thought I saw it the other day 03:16 dcook rangi: Did you get Koha::Email in? 03:14 wizzyrea right thanks 03:14 rangi yep 03:14 rangi yeah 03:14 wizzyrea and hold placed emails 03:14 wizzyrea those are queued. 03:14 wizzyrea suggestion mails I reckon wouldn't go out 03:14 rangi if you really wanted all mail off, you could switch off postfix :-) 03:13 dcook The password thing not the 264 thing 03:13 * dcook doesn't want to know how many people have it turned on.. 03:13 wizzyrea ok thank you all for your excellent advice. 03:13 wizzyrea so bad and wrong. 03:13 wizzyrea yeah true. 03:13 rangi but at least its off by default 03:13 * wizzyrea imagines rangi slipping with his code scalpel "oops I nuked your password sendy-thing!" 03:13 dcook bug 12725 looks weird... 03:12 rangi its bad wrong and evil 03:12 rangi that emails people when you make their account 03:12 wizzyrea oh right 03:12 rangi for staff side 03:12 rangi its the feature you can switch on 03:12 rangi self reg is tokens 03:12 wizzyrea oh. right selfreg. 03:12 wizzyrea passwords! 03:12 rangi or at least timelimit them 03:12 rangi ah yeah, we should just accidentally stop it sending those at all 03:11 eythian passwords 03:11 rangi i think is about it nowadays 03:11 rangi lists/carts 03:11 rangi anything that doesnt use the queue 03:11 eythian some bad, naughty things 03:11 eythian there are some things that don't use the mail queue 03:10 rangi lists will still go 03:10 wizzyrea hehe I read the intent of that :) 03:10 dcook I mean the first question 03:10 dcook wizzyrea: That's a good question 03:09 wizzyrea hm, if you turn off email in Koha, does it still email lists and things, or does it not send any email at all? Also, how did I not know this before. 03:08 dcook Huh.. 03:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12725 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Show RDA tag 264 on Intranet Results and Detail XSLT view (MARC21) 03:08 dcook bug 12725 03:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11891 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Make Koha::Schema use C4::Context->dbh 03:04 dcook bug 11891 02:59 dcook Mmm biblioitems timestamp isn't the same as the biblio timestamp 02:57 dcook Hmm... no idea why these records are getting selected now though.. 02:55 dcook Some might only add/edit a couple records, and some are crazy busy... 02:55 dcook It's actually kind of neat harvesting records from several different Koha instances per day via OAI... 02:44 dcook I can never remember what that one is for 02:44 eythian yes, we still have MARC there 02:44 eythian heh 02:43 dcook Three dedicated dcooks 02:43 * dcook wishes that he could scale himself 02:43 dcook We still have the MARC blob, eh.. 02:43 * dcook looks in biblioitems 02:43 dcook Yet not having records in a million places... 02:42 dcook I think the paranoia in me would struggle with it a bit 02:42 dcook Yeah, using ES for storage would be interesting 02:42 eythian if we ever put things into ES that are only in ES, then definitely 02:41 eythian maybe not for koha, but in general for ES 02:41 eythian yeah 02:41 eythian I'm not going to just yet though 02:41 dcook So in production you'd have three dedicated ES servers? 02:41 eythian I'd like to make the indexer multithreaded to work well on big systems 02:40 eythian yeah, it'd be good on them 02:40 dcook Righto 02:40 dcook I would love that for some of our million record catalogues.. 02:40 eythian That's planning for it in a cloudy cloud type environment 02:40 dcook Oooo :D 02:40 eythian Nah, ES does it automagically. 02:40 dcook Would love that.. 02:39 dcook Hence all the load balancing stuff you've been doing as well, eh? 02:39 eythian which it will 02:39 eythian well, that's just saying it'll scale better 02:39 eythian it'll also be faster under load 02:39 eythian it's less important for Koha where you can regenerate everything 02:39 dcook I was just about to ask besides redundnacy 02:39 eythian data safety, mostly 02:39 dcook Why's that? 02:39 dcook ^I've been wondering about that 02:38 eythian well, a minimum of three 02:38 eythian ES requires three servers for production 02:38 dcook ES is pretty rad 02:38 mtj eythian: wow, it looks like ES can use lucene lanaguage-analyzers too 02:38 * dcook wants an extra server at work just for him to play with... 02:37 dcook Those were my two thoughts as well :) 02:37 wizzyrea that probably has more to do with the hardware :P 02:37 dcook Excellent 02:37 eythian this is not a production ES install running here :) 02:37 eythian probably not much, koha itself will have a bigger overhead. 02:37 dcook Getting 19897 results in about 5 seconds with Zebra on a different system 02:36 dcook I'm getting 8639 results in about 5 seconds with ES 02:36 dcook Hmm, what sort of speed differences should there be? 02:35 dcook Maybe :) 02:35 eythian That might be important 02:35 dcook Weird book 02:35 dcook Z for Zachariah, eh? 02:35 eythian the database count and the number indexed differ. 02:34 dcook Just tried a local-number:* 02:34 dcook 8639 02:34 eythian 8639 02:34 dcook Ahh 02:34 eythian hmm 02:34 eythian 8679 02:34 dcook ~500? 02:34 dcook Hmm, how many records in this catalogue, eythian? 02:30 mtj yeah, an impressive list already 02:30 eythian mtj: I'd be interested in experimenting with that 02:29 wizzyrea I MAY JUST. :) 02:29 eythian feel free to fix that if you want :) 02:29 eythian the database has no users currently, so that's tricky :) 02:29 mtj interesting -> http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/analysis-lang-analyzer.html 02:29 wizzyrea hm, this test data should be sure to have some items that aren't available 02:28 eythian yeah, they should be getting indexed, but not searched yet 02:28 wizzyrea and I noticed there were no authority searches :P 02:27 eythian (which is odd, I thought I'd implemented that) 02:27 wizzyrea yeah, I noticed that one 02:27 eythian also like the broader/narrower/related subject searches not working 02:27 eythian roughly :) though, I might create a thing for little weirdnesses like that, so do bring them to my attention. 02:27 wizzyrea :) 02:27 wizzyrea in nicer words. 02:27 wizzyrea what I'm hearing is "keep your grubby hands off of it and be quiet until I say do stuff" 02:26 eythian code that makes authority searching work ;) 02:26 eythian hmm 02:26 eythian I think it's more useful when almost everything is done and there's just polish needed 02:26 wizzyrea what is helpful now? 02:26 eythian eventually perhaps, probably not right now 02:25 * wizzyrea wants to be helpful, and not annoying 02:25 wizzyrea is that the kind of thing you want us to point out? 02:25 * eythian steals that phrasing 02:25 eythian cjh: exactly 02:25 cjh so it is always sorting by the best case, heh 02:25 dcook Yeah, there's really no reason to privilege August over Wallace 02:25 eythian well, it's not a terribly hard thing to change if we want to. 02:25 dcook Tricksy 02:25 wizzyrea hehe 02:24 eythian probably because of Zanuck Company 02:24 eythian so if you invert the sort, it comes first still 02:24 eythian oh, it sorts them according to the sort request 02:24 wizzyrea I accept your explanation, assert that it will still befuddle librarians. 02:24 wizzyrea aha, interesting 02:23 eythian (it splits them up for indexing.) 02:23 eythian Because it has multiple authors, and it's sorting them as well, I guess. 02:23 wizzyrea mmm but why august and not wallace? 02:22 eythian It's the alphabet ;) 02:22 eythian wizzyrea: because august comes after adams 02:22 mtj woah, awesome eythian :0) 02:22 wizzyrea one thing I've noticed, search "fish" order by author a-z - why is Big Fish result 2? 02:14 dcook Or if I need to make those changes, I want to do them soon so that it's not an issue for ES 02:13 dcook (while also supporting the QP syntax) 02:13 dcook I'm really keen to find a way to make QP work without requiring any syntactical changes in the templates 02:13 dcook I guess so 02:13 dcook hehe 02:12 eythian hmm, well if you fit into my querybuilder api, then it's all good :) 02:12 dcook Or possibly easier I suppose 02:12 dcook Although I think that would make life potentially harder for eythian 02:12 dcook I really hope I'm able to find time someday to switch us over to using the QueryParser... 02:11 dcook hehe 02:11 dcook "It's gonna be weird." 02:11 * dcook takes a gander 02:10 wizzyrea oh look at that it even works! 02:09 eythian http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl <-- there is now an elasticsearch server up and running 02:02 wizzyrea hehe 02:02 schnydszch i saw that Kombucha wiki, when it says food and bacteria, did not read it further 02:01 schnydszch it's 10AM here, so that's gonna be 1PM 02:00 * wizzyrea blames the kombucha 01:59 wizzyrea my brain computer is broken today. 01:59 rangi easier to work out 01:59 rangi i liked it better when we were +12 01:59 wizzyrea well gosh, when I said 4 hours I didn't realise it was 14:55, so you're right, 3 hours SORRY 01:58 rangi we repeat them so people can attend one or the other 01:58 rangi and the next one is at 2100 01:58 rangi so i think thats 6pm nz time 01:58 rangi it 0500 utc 01:57 eythian wasn't it at 6 NZ time? Or was it 7? 01:56 wizzyrea 4 hours I think 01:56 schnydszch it's okay I wanted to feel attending koha meeting. If my timer is right, that's three hours away right? 01:56 wizzyrea I certainly hope they are sleeping :) 01:54 rangi id doubt it, given the time 01:54 schnydszch anybody here from biblibre? 01:44 rangi ohh yes that is handy 01:42 eythian http://search.cpan.org/~ferreira/Carp-Always-0.13/lib/Carp/Always.pm <-- oh handy 01:22 * dcook will stick to his water and iced tea he thinks 01:15 wizzyrea they have many kinds of strange drinks. 01:15 wizzyrea nic nacs 01:15 wizzyrea no, from nic nacz 01:15 eythian that sounds like the sort of place you'd find something like that 01:15 eythian did you get it from haere mai? 01:15 wajasu i put my scoby in the fridge for next year :) 01:14 wizzyrea I saw "feijoa" and my brain turned off. 01:14 wizzyrea to be honest, I didn't realise it was a real kombucha when I bought it 01:14 wizzyrea this one I have is pretty ok though. 01:13 wizzyrea I suspect this is why they put it in brown bottles. 01:13 eythian and looks pretty gross too 01:13 eythian it sounds terrible 01:12 wajasu imy 1st two batches got tainted and grew mold. smelled bad, so had to start over. third batch worked (used coffer filter over jar top). too much work and time. 01:12 eythian from spillage? 01:12 ibeardslee Wow .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombucha ".. in rare cases, to serious side effects and deaths" 01:10 * wizzyrea is not brave enough to make her own kombucha 01:10 wizzyrea this is a commercial one 01:09 bag alright later peeps - I'll be back for the meeting in a few hours - hopefully catch all you wonderful people tonight :D 01:06 wajasu also if you want cheap grolsch style bottles to store it, look for some cheap similiar bottle at an ALDI (if you have them nearby) 01:05 wizzyrea the one I'm having is feijoa flavoured, quite nice. 01:04 wizzyrea wajasu: good advice 01:04 dcook Can't say I've ever had it. Not sure I want to. 01:04 wajasu pour through a coffee filter if you don't like the growth 01:04 dcook lol 01:03 wizzyrea because that was a texture my mouth disagreed with. 01:03 wizzyrea on a related note, I am now covered in kombucha. 01:03 wajasu got to feed your motha 01:02 wizzyrea bad things about kombucha... slimy blobby things. 01:02 dcook Although as long as the help and manual are up-to-date.. 01:02 wizzyrea good things about kombucha, it's tasty 01:01 dcook Not a bad idea 01:00 wizzyrea force a news item "hey, we did stuff" 01:00 wizzyrea only show the message to superlibrarians, etc. 01:00 wizzyrea remove the message, change the name of administration to "settings" or something. 00:59 wizzyrea move the tools, leave a message "hey, some things have moved, check in Administration" 00:59 wizzyrea could do it in stages 00:59 dcook Sadly yes :( 00:59 wizzyrea There would probably be a mutiny if we changed the name. 00:58 dcook True. Things get tweaked over time. 00:58 wizzyrea well, nobody ever goes in there just once. 00:58 dcook All stuff that should be done once really 00:58 bag yeah beer sounds excellent - but I'm a month of no drinking which ends Saturday :D 00:58 wahanui Settings are in there 00:58 wizzyrea or Settings 00:58 dcook I like that 00:58 dcook Ooooh 00:57 wizzyrea Administration -> Configuration 00:57 dcook Although administration does imply administering 00:57 wizzyrea which probably says something about my state of mind today. 00:57 dcook Mmm beer 00:57 * wizzyrea thought of beer 00:57 bag oh whoops dcook I was off topic :P 00:57 dcook ^ 00:57 wizzyrea if it's "manage" it should be a tool. 00:56 wizzyrea if it's "set up" it should be in admin 00:56 dcook hehe 00:56 bag I love THE epic! 00:56 dcook The task scheduler is probably still a tool yeah 00:56 wizzyrea well not the task scheduler 00:56 dcook The "Additional parameters" should probably be under "Catalog" as well.. 00:56 wizzyrea Notices & slips, overdue notice/status triggers, calendar, csv profiles, task scheduler 00:55 dcook Rather than having one epic page 00:55 dcook It might make more sense to break up the administration area into more distinct sub-categories 00:55 wizzyrea yes. 00:55 dcook Actually, there's a fair number of "tools" that aren't tools 00:54 wizzyrea and configuring holidays 00:54 wizzyrea yes, agreed 00:54 dcook wizzyrea: In addition to having "OVerdue notice/status triggers" move from Tools to Admin, it would be great to move "Notices & slips" too 00:22 bag nah probably not 00:21 bag thing 00:21 bag hmmm... maybe the it's the time settings - you know JesseM like that 12hr vs 24hr 00:21 dcook bag: Haven't heard anything but you never know... 00:21 bag hey anyone have this problem? A SIP2 self-checkout isn't respecting the holidays entered on the calender (but like everything - it's sporadic - during time periods of the day) 00:20 dcook someone broke the intertubes? 00:20 dcook oh nose 00:14 wizzyrea well it is just not every day you get a 500 error from youtube. 00:07 dcook Then hopefully work on upstreaming other changes... or work on fixing the query building 00:07 dcook I'll be glad when I'm done this OAI client so I can upstream it 00:06 dcook Yeah, that's a lot of what I do :p