Time Nick Message 00:06 dcook Yeah, that's a lot of what I do :p 00:07 dcook I'll be glad when I'm done this OAI client so I can upstream it 00:07 dcook Then hopefully work on upstreaming other changes... or work on fixing the query building 00:14 wizzyrea well it is just not every day you get a 500 error from youtube. 00:20 dcook oh nose 00:20 dcook someone broke the intertubes? 00:21 bag hey anyone have this problem? A SIP2 self-checkout isn't respecting the holidays entered on the calender (but like everything - it's sporadic - during time periods of the day) 00:21 dcook bag: Haven't heard anything but you never know... 00:21 bag hmmm... maybe the it's the time settings - you know JesseM like that 12hr vs 24hr 00:21 bag thing 00:22 bag nah probably not 00:54 dcook wizzyrea: In addition to having "OVerdue notice/status triggers" move from Tools to Admin, it would be great to move "Notices & slips" too 00:54 wizzyrea yes, agreed 00:54 wizzyrea and configuring holidays 00:55 dcook Actually, there's a fair number of "tools" that aren't tools 00:55 wizzyrea yes. 00:55 dcook It might make more sense to break up the administration area into more distinct sub-categories 00:55 dcook Rather than having one epic page 00:56 wizzyrea Notices & slips, overdue notice/status triggers, calendar, csv profiles, task scheduler 00:56 dcook The "Additional parameters" should probably be under "Catalog" as well.. 00:56 wizzyrea well not the task scheduler 00:56 dcook The task scheduler is probably still a tool yeah 00:56 bag I love THE epic! 00:56 dcook hehe 00:56 wizzyrea if it's "set up" it should be in admin 00:57 wizzyrea if it's "manage" it should be a tool. 00:57 dcook ^ 00:57 bag oh whoops dcook I was off topic :P 00:57 * wizzyrea thought of beer 00:57 dcook Mmm beer 00:57 wizzyrea which probably says something about my state of mind today. 00:57 dcook Although administration does imply administering 00:57 wizzyrea Administration -> Configuration 00:58 dcook Ooooh 00:58 dcook I like that 00:58 wizzyrea or Settings 00:58 wahanui Settings are in there 00:58 bag yeah beer sounds excellent - but I'm a month of no drinking which ends Saturday :D 00:58 dcook All stuff that should be done once really 00:58 wizzyrea well, nobody ever goes in there just once. 00:58 dcook True. Things get tweaked over time. 00:59 wizzyrea There would probably be a mutiny if we changed the name. 00:59 dcook Sadly yes :( 00:59 wizzyrea could do it in stages 00:59 wizzyrea move the tools, leave a message "hey, some things have moved, check in Administration" 01:00 wizzyrea remove the message, change the name of administration to "settings" or something. 01:00 wizzyrea only show the message to superlibrarians, etc. 01:00 wizzyrea force a news item "hey, we did stuff" 01:01 dcook Not a bad idea 01:02 wizzyrea good things about kombucha, it's tasty 01:02 dcook Although as long as the help and manual are up-to-date.. 01:02 wizzyrea bad things about kombucha... slimy blobby things. 01:03 wajasu got to feed your motha 01:03 wizzyrea on a related note, I am now covered in kombucha. 01:03 wizzyrea because that was a texture my mouth disagreed with. 01:04 dcook lol 01:04 wajasu pour through a coffee filter if you don't like the growth 01:04 dcook Can't say I've ever had it. Not sure I want to. 01:04 wizzyrea wajasu: good advice 01:05 wizzyrea the one I'm having is feijoa flavoured, quite nice. 01:06 wajasu also if you want cheap grolsch style bottles to store it, look for some cheap similiar bottle at an ALDI (if you have them nearby) 01:09 bag alright later peeps - I'll be back for the meeting in a few hours - hopefully catch all you wonderful people tonight :D 01:10 wizzyrea this is a commercial one 01:10 * wizzyrea is not brave enough to make her own kombucha 01:12 ibeardslee Wow .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombucha ".. in rare cases, to serious side effects and deaths" 01:12 eythian from spillage? 01:12 wajasu imy 1st two batches got tainted and grew mold. smelled bad, so had to start over. third batch worked (used coffer filter over jar top). too much work and time. 01:13 eythian it sounds terrible 01:13 eythian and looks pretty gross too 01:13 wizzyrea I suspect this is why they put it in brown bottles. 01:14 wizzyrea this one I have is pretty ok though. 01:14 wizzyrea to be honest, I didn't realise it was a real kombucha when I bought it 01:14 wizzyrea I saw "feijoa" and my brain turned off. 01:15 wajasu i put my scoby in the fridge for next year :) 01:15 eythian did you get it from haere mai? 01:15 eythian that sounds like the sort of place you'd find something like that 01:15 wizzyrea no, from nic nacz 01:15 wizzyrea nic nacs 01:15 wizzyrea they have many kinds of strange drinks. 01:22 * dcook will stick to his water and iced tea he thinks 01:42 eythian http://search.cpan.org/~ferreira/Carp-Always-0.13/lib/Carp/Always.pm <-- oh handy 01:44 rangi ohh yes that is handy 01:54 schnydszch anybody here from biblibre? 01:54 rangi id doubt it, given the time 01:56 wizzyrea I certainly hope they are sleeping :) 01:56 schnydszch it's okay I wanted to feel attending koha meeting. If my timer is right, that's three hours away right? 01:56 wizzyrea 4 hours I think 01:57 eythian wasn't it at 6 NZ time? Or was it 7? 01:58 rangi it 0500 utc 01:58 rangi so i think thats 6pm nz time 01:58 rangi and the next one is at 2100 01:58 rangi we repeat them so people can attend one or the other 01:59 wizzyrea well gosh, when I said 4 hours I didn't realise it was 14:55, so you're right, 3 hours SORRY 01:59 rangi i liked it better when we were +12 01:59 rangi easier to work out 01:59 wizzyrea my brain computer is broken today. 02:00 * wizzyrea blames the kombucha 02:01 schnydszch it's 10AM here, so that's gonna be 1PM 02:02 schnydszch i saw that Kombucha wiki, when it says food and bacteria, did not read it further 02:02 wizzyrea hehe 02:09 eythian http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl <-- there is now an elasticsearch server up and running 02:10 wizzyrea oh look at that it even works! 02:11 * dcook takes a gander 02:11 dcook "It's gonna be weird." 02:11 dcook hehe 02:12 dcook I really hope I'm able to find time someday to switch us over to using the QueryParser... 02:12 dcook Although I think that would make life potentially harder for eythian 02:12 dcook Or possibly easier I suppose 02:12 eythian hmm, well if you fit into my querybuilder api, then it's all good :) 02:13 dcook hehe 02:13 dcook I guess so 02:13 dcook I'm really keen to find a way to make QP work without requiring any syntactical changes in the templates 02:13 dcook (while also supporting the QP syntax) 02:14 dcook Or if I need to make those changes, I want to do them soon so that it's not an issue for ES 02:22 wizzyrea one thing I've noticed, search "fish" order by author a-z - why is Big Fish result 2? 02:22 mtj woah, awesome eythian :0) 02:22 eythian wizzyrea: because august comes after adams 02:22 eythian It's the alphabet ;) 02:23 wizzyrea mmm but why august and not wallace? 02:23 eythian Because it has multiple authors, and it's sorting them as well, I guess. 02:23 eythian (it splits them up for indexing.) 02:24 wizzyrea aha, interesting 02:24 wizzyrea I accept your explanation, assert that it will still befuddle librarians. 02:24 eythian oh, it sorts them according to the sort request 02:24 eythian so if you invert the sort, it comes first still 02:24 eythian probably because of Zanuck Company 02:25 wizzyrea hehe 02:25 dcook Tricksy 02:25 eythian well, it's not a terribly hard thing to change if we want to. 02:25 dcook Yeah, there's really no reason to privilege August over Wallace 02:25 cjh so it is always sorting by the best case, heh 02:25 eythian cjh: exactly 02:25 * eythian steals that phrasing 02:25 wizzyrea is that the kind of thing you want us to point out? 02:25 * wizzyrea wants to be helpful, and not annoying 02:26 eythian eventually perhaps, probably not right now 02:26 wizzyrea what is helpful now? 02:26 eythian I think it's more useful when almost everything is done and there's just polish needed 02:26 eythian hmm 02:26 eythian code that makes authority searching work ;) 02:27 wizzyrea what I'm hearing is "keep your grubby hands off of it and be quiet until I say do stuff" 02:27 wizzyrea in nicer words. 02:27 wizzyrea :) 02:27 eythian roughly :) though, I might create a thing for little weirdnesses like that, so do bring them to my attention. 02:27 eythian also like the broader/narrower/related subject searches not working 02:27 wizzyrea yeah, I noticed that one 02:27 eythian (which is odd, I thought I'd implemented that) 02:28 wizzyrea and I noticed there were no authority searches :P 02:28 eythian yeah, they should be getting indexed, but not searched yet 02:29 wizzyrea hm, this test data should be sure to have some items that aren't available 02:29 mtj interesting -> http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/analysis-lang-analyzer.html 02:29 eythian the database has no users currently, so that's tricky :) 02:29 eythian feel free to fix that if you want :) 02:29 wizzyrea I MAY JUST. :) 02:30 eythian mtj: I'd be interested in experimenting with that 02:30 mtj yeah, an impressive list already 02:34 dcook Hmm, how many records in this catalogue, eythian? 02:34 dcook ~500? 02:34 eythian 8679 02:34 eythian hmm 02:34 dcook Ahh 02:34 eythian 8639 02:34 dcook 8639 02:34 dcook Just tried a local-number:* 02:35 eythian the database count and the number indexed differ. 02:35 dcook Z for Zachariah, eh? 02:35 dcook Weird book 02:35 eythian That might be important 02:35 dcook Maybe :) 02:36 dcook Hmm, what sort of speed differences should there be? 02:36 dcook I'm getting 8639 results in about 5 seconds with ES 02:37 dcook Getting 19897 results in about 5 seconds with Zebra on a different system 02:37 eythian probably not much, koha itself will have a bigger overhead. 02:37 eythian this is not a production ES install running here :) 02:37 dcook Excellent 02:37 wizzyrea that probably has more to do with the hardware :P 02:37 dcook Those were my two thoughts as well :) 02:38 * dcook wants an extra server at work just for him to play with... 02:38 mtj eythian: wow, it looks like ES can use lucene lanaguage-analyzers too 02:38 dcook ES is pretty rad 02:38 eythian ES requires three servers for production 02:38 eythian well, a minimum of three 02:39 dcook ^I've been wondering about that 02:39 dcook Why's that? 02:39 eythian data safety, mostly 02:39 dcook I was just about to ask besides redundnacy 02:39 eythian it's less important for Koha where you can regenerate everything 02:39 eythian it'll also be faster under load 02:39 eythian well, that's just saying it'll scale better 02:39 eythian which it will 02:39 dcook Hence all the load balancing stuff you've been doing as well, eh? 02:40 dcook Would love that.. 02:40 eythian Nah, ES does it automagically. 02:40 dcook Oooo :D 02:40 eythian That's planning for it in a cloudy cloud type environment 02:40 dcook I would love that for some of our million record catalogues.. 02:40 dcook Righto 02:40 eythian yeah, it'd be good on them 02:41 eythian I'd like to make the indexer multithreaded to work well on big systems 02:41 dcook So in production you'd have three dedicated ES servers? 02:41 eythian I'm not going to just yet though 02:41 eythian yeah 02:41 eythian maybe not for koha, but in general for ES 02:42 eythian if we ever put things into ES that are only in ES, then definitely 02:42 dcook Yeah, using ES for storage would be interesting 02:42 dcook I think the paranoia in me would struggle with it a bit 02:43 dcook Yet not having records in a million places... 02:43 * dcook looks in biblioitems 02:43 dcook We still have the MARC blob, eh.. 02:43 * dcook wishes that he could scale himself 02:43 dcook Three dedicated dcooks 02:44 eythian heh 02:44 eythian yes, we still have MARC there 02:44 dcook I can never remember what that one is for 02:55 dcook It's actually kind of neat harvesting records from several different Koha instances per day via OAI... 02:55 dcook Some might only add/edit a couple records, and some are crazy busy... 02:57 dcook Hmm... no idea why these records are getting selected now though.. 02:59 dcook Mmm biblioitems timestamp isn't the same as the biblio timestamp 03:04 dcook bug 11891 03:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11891 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Make Koha::Schema use C4::Context->dbh 03:08 dcook bug 12725 03:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12725 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Show RDA tag 264 on Intranet Results and Detail XSLT view (MARC21) 03:08 dcook Huh.. 03:09 wizzyrea hm, if you turn off email in Koha, does it still email lists and things, or does it not send any email at all? Also, how did I not know this before. 03:10 dcook wizzyrea: That's a good question 03:10 dcook I mean the first question 03:10 wizzyrea hehe I read the intent of that :) 03:10 rangi lists will still go 03:11 eythian there are some things that don't use the mail queue 03:11 eythian some bad, naughty things 03:11 rangi anything that doesnt use the queue 03:11 rangi lists/carts 03:11 rangi i think is about it nowadays 03:11 eythian passwords 03:12 rangi ah yeah, we should just accidentally stop it sending those at all 03:12 rangi or at least timelimit them 03:12 wizzyrea passwords! 03:12 wizzyrea oh. right selfreg. 03:12 rangi self reg is tokens 03:12 rangi its the feature you can switch on 03:12 rangi for staff side 03:12 wizzyrea oh right 03:12 rangi that emails people when you make their account 03:12 rangi its bad wrong and evil 03:13 dcook bug 12725 looks weird... 03:13 * wizzyrea imagines rangi slipping with his code scalpel "oops I nuked your password sendy-thing!" 03:13 rangi but at least its off by default 03:13 wizzyrea yeah true. 03:13 wizzyrea so bad and wrong. 03:13 wizzyrea ok thank you all for your excellent advice. 03:13 * dcook doesn't want to know how many people have it turned on.. 03:13 dcook The password thing not the 264 thing 03:14 rangi if you really wanted all mail off, you could switch off postfix :-) 03:14 wizzyrea suggestion mails I reckon wouldn't go out 03:14 wizzyrea those are queued. 03:14 wizzyrea and hold placed emails 03:14 rangi yeah 03:14 rangi yep 03:14 wizzyrea right thanks 03:16 dcook rangi: Did you get Koha::Email in? 03:16 dcook I thought I saw it the other day 03:17 rangi yep, it should be in master now 03:17 rangi all it does is handle the headers so far 03:17 rangi return path, reply to, from etc 03:17 rangi but it does it consistently 03:17 wizzyrea and boy do we like consistency 03:20 bag hola 03:20 wahanui niihau, bag 03:20 wajasu hopefully it will set the charset to utf8 for header Subject, and Attachment filename. 03:21 rangi yep 03:21 wajasu yeah! 03:26 dcook Coool beans :) 03:26 dcook Cool* 03:26 dcook No three Os in this house 03:26 dcook which is actually an office... 03:28 dcook All right, I'm going to experiment more with DBIC 03:28 dcook Whenever we talk about DBIC and kohastructure.sql, we say "for now", but I don't know if anyone is actually planning to deprecate kohastructure.sql... 03:35 dcook Hmm, not as automagical as one would hope 03:41 wizzyrea ^ probably explains it's lack of wide adoption 03:42 dcook Oh, I meant in terms of deploying the schema 03:42 dcook DBIC itself is actually pretty decent :) 03:42 dcook A bit scary at first 03:47 dcook Hmm, looks like the deploy() method generates the SQL... 03:48 dcook But that would just be to dump the whole schema I think 03:48 amit_ heya chris_n 03:48 amit_ hi rangi 03:49 dcook Oooh. I see that we have the Perl module there... 03:52 dcook No idea why we have a Koha::Schema and a Koha::Database... 03:53 AmitG chris around? 03:53 mtj hey #koha, is there a good koha-master for testing, on the webs? 03:53 AmitG hi mtj 03:54 mtj yo AmitG 03:55 mtompset Koha::Email? 03:55 mtj ill try the BL vm's - for a start 03:56 mtj does anyone have problems with the shelfbrowser in bootstrap, for non-EN langs? 03:56 mtj opac shelfbrowser, specifically 03:58 mtj the left/right buttons are giving me 500 errors 03:58 mtj "NetworkError: 500 Internal Server Error - http://mykohaxxx/cgi-bin/koha/svc/shelfbrowser.pl" 03:58 eythian that's not something I would expect bootstrap to cause 03:59 mtompset I would check log files if you are getting a 500. 03:59 eythian dcook: oh, apparently we are getting rid of biblioitems.marc 03:59 * mtj switches themes... 03:59 mtompset getting rid of biblioitems.marcxml?! 03:59 dcook eythian: sweeeet 04:00 mtompset how? 04:00 wajasu whoa! 04:00 eythian mtompset: try re-reading 04:00 dcook Darn, eythian 04:00 dcook I was going to say after we invert the OPAC 04:00 eythian heh 04:00 dcook Or dismantle the flux capacitor :p 04:00 eythian sorry :) 04:00 mtompset oh. 04:00 dcook Although getting rid of biblioitems.marcxml would be cool too... 04:00 * mtompset is pleased at a duplication removal. 04:01 dcook I think I see the purpose of Koha::Database now as handling the connection.. 04:01 mtompset dcook: The problem with everyone having different standards is you need a place to dump values that don't make it to fields. 04:01 mtj hum, bug happens with prog theme too 04:01 dcook mtompset: O_o? 04:03 mtompset Every possible MARC field/subfield is not represented in the physical data structures. 04:03 mtompset marcxml is a good catchall. 04:03 dcook o_O 04:04 dcook Sorry. Not following. I'm going to go try to explode my server now :) 04:05 dcook Hmm, depending on which documentation I choose to follow... 04:05 mtompset Liblime's? ;) 04:06 dcook nah, it's all DBIC documentation 04:06 dcook But the Cookbook seems slightly different to the POD for the classes 04:06 dcook I think I get it though 04:06 dcook Seems a shame not to take more advantage of DBIC for managing upgrades 04:07 dcook Mmm, I think I understand now 04:07 dcook create_ddl_dir() will give you a dump of the whole database 04:08 dcook But if you've included verisons in your code, and in the method call, you can get "diffs" for upgrading too 04:08 dcook Which can be managed more automagically by DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned 04:08 dcook Or in a pinch, manually 04:10 dcook All right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W6as8oVcuM 04:11 dcook Bollocks 04:11 dcook DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::create_ddl_dir(): Can't create a ddl file without SQL::Translator >= 0.11016 04:11 dcook I had a feeling that might be a problem 04:11 eythian not bollocks, butts. 04:11 dcook hehe 04:11 dcook indeed! 04:11 dcook I should really keep my story straight 04:14 dcook I foresee perhaps one other problem... but fingers crossed 04:14 dcook Hmm, no warnings or errors, but that was too fast... 04:14 dcook Then again.. 04:15 mtj well... i cant replicate my bug on BL koha (3.17.00.016) 04:16 mtj bootstrap and IT lang - thats good :) 04:16 dcook Hmm, I wonder how it decides what order to do.. 04:17 dcook 480 differences between the dumped file and kohastructure.sql 04:17 dcook But how many are just because they're in different spots in the document.. 04:18 eythian mtj: see the link to Carp::Always I posted, run the script from the command line with that loaded, it'll give you a stack trace when it dies. 04:20 mtj will do eythian 04:20 dcook I suppose the way to do it would be to create a new schema using this dump... then dump it using mysql and see how that compares against kohastructure.sql... 04:20 Oak @seen tcohen 04:20 huginn Oak: tcohen was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <tcohen> jcamins++ # liguistic aid 04:20 dcook maybe 04:20 mtj fyi, i cant see your previous post eythian 04:20 Oak tcohen++ 04:20 eythian <eythian> http://search.cpan.org/~ferreira/Carp-Always-0.13/lib/Carp/Always.pm <-- oh handy 04:21 * Oak waves 04:21 mtj ah, i see it now :) 04:24 * mtompset waves back to Oak. 04:27 mtompset Did anyone see my inquiry that circles about C4::Letters::EnqueueLetter? 04:27 mtj does anyone have a method for building langs, for a koha-gitify koha? 04:28 mtompset wouldn't it be the same after you make it a git? 04:34 mtj nah, koha-translate doesnt work for gitify setup 04:34 mtj ...assumes /usr/share/koha 04:35 dcook Hmm, I don't think SQL::Translator likes "double precision" in itemtypes... 04:35 RTerrenal hello everyone 04:39 mtompset Greetings, RTerrenal. :) 04:39 mtompset Glad to see you online here, Ryan. :) 04:40 mtj looks like koha-translate could be patched to take non-default paths, pretty easily 04:40 mtj hiya RTerrenal 04:41 mtompset Ryan, where's Eugene? 04:43 RTerrenal idk 04:43 Oak wdk 04:45 mtompset He said he is here, but I don't know his nickname. 04:46 mtompset Hopefully we can pull in a Filipino contingent today. :) 04:47 bag :) 04:48 mtompset Ryan, have you read the agenda for the meeting? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_19_November_2014 04:48 RTerrenal reading now 04:54 mtj how do people feel about getting the koha-* CLI tools working with koha-gitify? 04:54 mtompset I'm indifferent, though I can see a benefit for those who actually use koha-gitify. 04:56 * cait waves 04:57 bag heya cait 04:58 cait heya 04:58 cait are we having a meeting or can i go back to sleep? :) 04:59 bag I think we are having a meeting 04:59 cait :) 04:59 mtompset I count 1 minute to meeting plus or minus a minute. :) 04:59 cait ok 04:59 cait i better go look for the agenda :) 05:00 bag cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_19_November_2014 05:00 cait thanks bag 05:01 dcook Man DBIC... 05:01 dcook Ahhh 05:01 dcook Change the code dcook...not the POD 05:01 wahanui dcook: that doesn't look right 05:02 mtompset cait: Are you chairing? 05:03 cait i think i can 05:03 cait if noone else more awake wants to :) 05:03 Oak did you brush your teeth? 05:03 mtompset It's midnight here. Not I. :) 05:03 cait 6 am here 05:03 cait sshhh Oak 05:03 cait :) 05:03 cait ok 05:03 Oak :) 05:04 dcook (Damned "double precision" will stop create_ddl_dir() from doing a SQL diff...) 05:04 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 19 November 2014 - part 1 05:04 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 19 05:04:15 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:04 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 05:04 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1' 05:04 cait #topic introductions 05:04 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 05:04 cait hi, please all introduce yourself with #info 05:04 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett, Canadian contributor. 05:04 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 05:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 05:05 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia 05:05 dcook #info David Cook, Prosentient Systems 05:05 cait ok, small meeting :) 05:05 * mtompset pokes RTerrenal and manny 05:05 BobB hi all, I just came in 05:05 * cait waits for a moment 05:05 manny #info Manny, I am Koha- Philippines 05:06 Oak #info Arslan Farooq, Pakistan 05:06 bag heya BobB 05:06 BobB :) 05:06 * mtompset pokes RTerrenal 05:07 cait hi clint_ - here for the meeting? 05:07 * cait waits a moment longer for #info s 05:07 clint_ yes 05:07 clint_ #info Clint Anact 05:07 * BobB pokes mtj 05:07 cait :) ok movig on 05:07 cait poked people can do their infos later :) 05:08 cait #topic Announcements 05:08 RTerrenal #info Ryan Terrenal National library of the Philippines 05:08 mtj #info Mason James, NZ 05:08 cait any announcements? :) 05:08 cait #topic Update on releases (3.8 - 3.18) 05:09 mtompset tcohen did an awesome video? 05:09 cait right :) 05:09 Oak yes! 05:09 cait does someone have the link for an #info? 05:09 dcook http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHav6PL_4Bo&feature=youtu.be 05:09 * dcook isn't sure how you want to add that officially :) 05:10 cait #info Koha, a community - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHav6PL_4Bo&feature=youtu.be A video made during KohaCon14 in Argentina got published yesterday 05:10 dcook [off] But rangi has a great facial expression at 3:02 05:10 cait me neither, hope that's ok 05:10 cait [off] don't get me started thinking about my facial expressions and broken english again 05:11 cait ok, do we have any release managers or maints around? 05:11 mtompset [off] you were fine, Katrin. 05:11 bag cait++ 05:11 cait #info String Freeze for 3.18 is on 20th this week 05:11 cait #info Release 3.18 is on 28th next week 05:12 cait #info There is a list of critical bugs to be solved before release on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Critical_circ_bugs 05:12 cait ... and also 3.18 is gonna rock :) 05:12 Oak Amen. 05:13 cait anything else? 05:13 bag I'd like it if someone could look at http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 05:13 huginn 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 05:13 cait #info bug 11998 is waiting for sign off - syspref caching issues 05:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 05:13 bag that should maybe be the last thing that we need for perhaps running the staff-side safely on plack 05:13 cait would it be ok if we did the elections next? 05:14 schnydszch #info Eugene Espinoza House of Representatives Library 05:14 cait i'd like to get those done before discussing the other topics 05:14 bag sure thing 05:14 mtj go for it cait 05:14 cait ok :) 05:15 cait #topic Elections! 05:15 mtompset Is there a page listing people? 05:15 cait #info Nominations are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 05:15 cait you will all notice... we still lack a 3.16 rmaint 05:16 cait #info Wanted: 3.16 Release maintainer 05:16 cait but as the release is next week ... I think we should still vote :) 05:16 cait any preference on how to vote? 05:17 cait the usual? i put the names and everyone +1 -1? 05:17 mtompset sounds good to me. 05:17 cait so let's get started then :) 05:17 Oak yes. raising hands won't work sadly. 05:17 cait First, I am very happy that we got tcohen to do it again :) 05:17 bag +1 for them all - no objections 05:17 cait tcohen++ 05:17 Oak tcohen++ 05:17 bag yes 05:17 bag tcohen++ 05:17 cait Vote for Release manager please - candidate is Tomas Cohen Arazi 05:18 mtompset tcohen++ # most assuredly. 05:18 cait +1 ! 05:18 Oak +1 05:18 bag +1 05:18 mtompset +1 05:18 BobB +1 05:18 clint_ +1 05:18 schnydszch +1 05:18 RTerrenal +1 05:19 cait #agreed Meeting part 1 elects Tomas Cohen Arazi for release manager of 3.20 05:19 cait Please vote for the listed Release Maintainers - we got 3.18 - Chris Cormack and 3.14 Fridolin Somers (cont.) 05:20 mtompset +1 for both. 05:20 cait is that ok, if we do a group vote? 05:20 cait +1 +1 for me as well, no objections :) 05:20 mtompset Unless someone objects, I don't see why not. 05:20 Oak +1 +1 05:21 bag +1 +1 05:21 clint_ +1 +1 05:21 BobB +2 :) 05:21 cait #agreed Release Maintainers: 3.18 - Chris Cormack and 3.14 - Fridolin Somers 05:22 cait Next are the module maintainers, please refer to the wiki for those :) 05:22 cait any questions for comments before we vote? 05:22 mtompset Who is PP? 05:22 cait siileeence :) 05:22 cait paul_p 05:23 bag no objection 05:23 cait Please vote on the module maintainers as listed on the wiki (auth, sip, holds, patron privacy) 05:23 BobB +1 to all 05:24 clint_ no objection 05:24 bag +1 05:24 cait +1 to all from me too 05:24 Oak +1 to all 05:24 cait especially happy about patron privacy and sip :) 05:24 mtompset What other work has Colin done? 05:24 cait (sip tends to get stuck a bit) 05:25 bag colin has done a lot with SIP 05:25 cait colin works for ptfs europe, he has some plumbing/architecture patches in too, improving code 05:25 bag he was a QA person awhile ago too 05:25 cait yep, even qa manager 05:25 bag yeah 05:26 cait he usually comments on the sip patches too 05:26 mtompset Okay, then I'm all in. :) +1 to all. 05:26 cait #agreed Module Maintainers: Martin Renvoize (Auth), Colin Campbell (SIP), Kyle M Hall (Holds), Galen Charlton (Patron Privacy) 05:26 cait moving on 05:26 cait Translation manager - comments or questions? 05:26 schnydszch +1 to all also no objection 05:27 cait Please vote on Translation manager - Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 05:27 cait +1 :) 05:27 bag +1 go bernardo ! 05:27 mtompset +1 to everything... until we hit QA team. :) 05:27 cait oh? 05:27 Oak +1 05:27 mtompset I have a question about the QA team, that's all. nothing negative. :) 05:28 cait BobB, mtj - where is Australia? :) 05:28 mtj next to NZ :p 05:29 mtj hey cait, i would be happy to do 3.16 RMaint role 05:29 bag mtj++ 05:29 bag awesome 05:29 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, bag 05:29 mtompset Really?! 05:29 bag +1 05:29 mtompset mtj++ # stepping it up nicely! 05:29 BobB +1 05:29 mtompset +1 05:29 cait #agreed Translation manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 05:29 cait mtj: do you want to add yourself to the wiki? 05:29 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 05:29 mtj yes, will do cait 05:30 Oak i can do it so mtj can focus on the meeting? 05:30 cait i will just continue and put you at the end - in case you change your mind ;) 05:30 * mtompset laughs. 05:30 mtj ok for me Oak :) 05:30 cait i'd like to vote documentation togehter, that ok? 05:30 Oak ok :) 05:30 mtompset nicole is the queen of documentation. +1 05:31 cait So please vote for (Database) Documentation manager, candidate is Nicole Engard 05:31 bag +1 05:31 cait +1 05:31 clint_ +1 05:31 manny +1 05:31 RTerrenal +1 05:31 schnydszch very much +1 for Nicole Engard 05:31 BobB +1 05:31 Oak +1 05:31 cait #agreed (Database) Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard 05:31 cait #chair bag 05:31 huginn Current chairs: bag cait 05:32 * cait hands voting for qa over to bag ;) 05:32 bag umm ok 05:32 * cait pokes bag 05:32 BobB Good procedure Koha, ++ 05:33 bag Please vote on the Quality Assurance (QA) Manager - Katrin Fischer 05:33 mtompset cait++ # nice removing conflict of interest. 05:33 BobB +1 05:33 bag [off] was typing 05:33 bag +1 05:33 mtompset +1 -- like that is hard to vote on. :) 05:33 schnydszch +1 05:33 manny +1 05:34 RTerrenal +1 05:34 bag #agreed Quality Assurance (QA) Manager - Katrin Fischer 05:35 bag please vote for the whole team for --> Quality Assurance (QA) Team 05:35 schnydszch i saw some of the QA in the very nice video produced by UNC (Argentina) 05:35 bag (pasting in names - one sec) 05:35 mtompset Just a quick question. 05:35 bag Marcel de Rooy (continuing) 05:35 bag Jonathan Druart (continuing) 05:35 bag Paul Poulain (continuing) 05:35 bag Christopher Brannon (would like to be considered) 05:35 bag Brendan Gallagher (continuing - some months stronger than others ;) ) 05:35 bag Martin Renvoize (continuing) 05:35 bag Kyle M Hall (continuing) 05:35 bag yes go ahead mtompset 05:35 mtompset The "would like to be considered" 05:36 mtompset What does it take to be considered for QA? how long should you have worked on/with Koha? 05:36 cait ah forgot bag is also on the list - so much for the plan :) 05:36 cait i think we don't have a strict rule currently 05:36 * rangi is sorta here dealing with kids 05:37 bag IMO mtompset I think as long as you volunteer - then lets give it a shot 05:37 cait i think a decent amount of sign offs before would be good 05:37 cait but we all shoudl do sign offs... right? :) 05:37 mtompset AMEN! 05:37 mtompset We should all do signoffs. 05:37 bag I've learned more when I vounteered to be a QA person 05:37 rangi All the qa team including Christopher Brannon have my vote 05:38 rangi Bbiab 05:38 bag he wants to start small - not QAing the large patches - but the smaller ones 05:38 mtompset Okay, given that clarified criteria, and rangi's vote of confidence... I'm +1 for all. 05:38 BobB and RM has final call 05:38 bag no vote 05:38 cait I am quite happy with the list 05:38 cait :) 05:38 cait i think i can? +1 :) 05:39 bag yes you can :D 05:39 BobB QA team +1 05:39 bag objections? 05:39 mtompset Nope. :) 05:39 cait i will start typing :) 05:39 clint_ no objection 05:39 BobB no objections 05:39 mtj +1 for all 05:39 bag #agreed Quality Assurance (QA) Team (all listed on the wiki) 05:40 cait #agreed QA team: Marcel de Rooy, Jonathan Druart, Paul Poulain, Christopher Brannon, Brendan Gallagher, Martin Renvoize, Kyle M Hall 05:40 bag #chair cait 05:40 huginn Current chairs: bag cait 05:40 cait i am still :) 05:40 bag oh yeah :P 05:40 mtompset then how do you unchair? 05:40 cait Please vote on Packaging Manager: Robin Sheat 05:40 BobB +1 05:40 cait mtompset: i odn't know, but you can have a list of people chairing 05:40 mtompset +1 -- eythian rocks. 05:40 cait +1 05:40 clint_ +1 05:40 bag +1 05:40 Oak +1 05:41 bag #dechair 05:41 bag HA! 05:41 cait #agreed Packaging Manager: Robin Sheat 05:41 BobB #standup? 05:41 bag BobB++ 05:41 cait Last but not least before we go back to the top: Bug Wranglers 05:41 cait Plase vote: Bug Wrangler - Magnus Enger 05:42 bag oh yeah!!! +1 magnuse! 05:42 Oak +1 05:42 RTerrenal +1 05:42 cait +1 :) 05:42 mtompset +1 05:42 BobB magnuse +1 05:42 cait #agreed Bug Wrangler: Magnus Enger 05:42 rangi +1 05:42 mtompset Reading the job description, every so often, I guess I feel like one. 05:43 cait mtompset: that might be right :) 05:43 cait do you want to add yourself? 05:43 mtompset Nah. I can't commit. 05:43 mtj aah, # unchair -> http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html 05:43 manny + 1 mtompset 05:43 mtompset Conflict of interest, manny. :P 05:44 cait hm don't see mtj on the wiki yet? 05:44 mtompset I do. 05:44 Oak added him here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 05:44 cait ok, my browser was being werid 05:44 cait all good 05:44 Oak :) 05:44 cait so please vote on rmaint for 3.16 - candidate is Mason James 05:44 bag +1 for mtj for 3.16 05:45 mtompset And yes... +1 for mtj as 3.16 05:45 cait +1 05:45 Oak +1 05:45 BobB +1 05:45 rangi +1 05:45 clint_ +1 05:45 RTerrenal +1 05:45 mtompset Because it would be super weird to not have a 3.16 RM. :) 05:45 cait #agreed Release Maintainer 3.16: Mason James 05:45 bag yeah that would 05:45 mtj heh, indeed mtompset :0) 05:45 cait first part of the meeting is done with elections now :) 05:45 cait we almost got a release team! 05:46 cait koha++ 05:46 cait #topic Establish a roat map for Koha 05:46 cait sec 05:46 cait #topic Establish a road map for Koha 05:46 mtompset ^roat^road^ 05:46 cait can't leave that typo in 05:46 mtompset :) 05:46 cait BobB: do you want to explain a bit? 05:46 BobB this arose on the sidelines of KohaCon14 05:47 BobB we used to have release specific roadmaps, like this: 05:47 BobB http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.12 05:47 BobB but if features were held up it got messy 05:47 BobB so now 05:47 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.12 05:48 BobB #info the idea is to have a road map that is not time linked, 05:48 BobB #info not linked to any one release 05:48 BobB so it becomes a bit of a strategic plan for the code, if you like 05:49 BobB #info so people can see what is coming up, but not necessarily when it might get there 05:49 cait so more.. general things we work towards to than a schedule? 05:50 mtompset functionality plans? 05:50 BobB #info The suggestion is to include both proposed new features and also plumbing improvements 05:50 BobB #info It was suggested the Road Map could have just a brief description of each proposal ... 05:51 BobB #info with a link to a separate page where the full RFC might be 05:51 BobB that's it 05:51 Oak an aerial view :) 05:51 rangi the idea is its reevaluated after each major release 05:52 BobB oh yeah, thx rangi 05:52 BobB #info It was also suggested .. 05:52 cait #info the idea is to reevaluate after each release 05:52 * dcook likes this idea 05:52 rangi so its not fixed, always moving, more of a aspirational list than a roadmap 05:52 cait sorry BobB 05:52 BobB #info that the meeting after each major release could consider updates to the road map 05:52 cait I'd like to try it :) 05:52 BobB #info but that its maintenance can also be a continuous process 05:52 bag +1 05:53 cait but i think then the next question would be - how do we get started? 05:53 mtompset from bugzilla? 05:53 cait hm I think as we are collectiing more general ideas, there might not be bugs 05:53 cait or many bugs :) 05:53 rangi cait: we dont have to decide that til after the release 05:54 BobB there might be big bugs, but certainly not every bug, or even close 05:54 cait thought we could collect some ideas 05:54 rangi for now, lets focus our energy on it, and people can write notes and we can look at them post release 05:54 cait sounds good to me 05:54 rangi so part of the release process can be a retrospective meeting 05:55 Oak yes! 05:55 rangi what went well, what didnt, what can we do better 05:55 cait #idea Have a retrospective meeting as part of the release process 05:55 rangi and update the roadmpa at that 05:55 cait +1 05:55 Oak +1 05:55 cait i like that 05:55 BobB #idea so we could endorse the idea today, and list it for more discussion at the next meeting? 05:55 rangi sounds good to me BobB 05:55 bag maybe at the next meeting - we do it 05:55 mtompset Actually won't the next meeting be after the release? 05:55 cait i think the general response was positive - souns good tome too 05:56 BobB exactly mtompset 05:56 mtompset So it aligns nicely. 05:56 BobB :) 05:56 cait first retro and road map meeting than? 05:56 cait moving on? 05:56 BobB yep, ok 05:56 cait #idea use the next meeting to have more discussion, past and future on the road map 05:57 * mtompset likes that idea. 05:57 cait #topic Establish new roles within the release team 05:57 BobB #info This arose from the same discussion 05:58 BobB #info the proposal is to establish a Wiki Maintainer as a member of the release team 05:58 BobB #info and a Communications Manager 05:58 mtompset The agenda says curator nor maintainer. ;) 05:58 BobB #info peeps thought these might be available to Librarians rather than developers ... 05:58 mtompset ^nor^not^ 05:58 BobB #info who are busy enough already 05:59 BobB oops big correction, gives a whole different sense of, thx mtompset 05:59 rangi i like the idea, finding volunteers would be the trick, but we can ask and see if anyone does volunteer 05:59 BobB #info /Wiki Manager/ Wiki Curator/ 05:59 mtompset What is the idea for a communication manager? 06:00 rangi pretty much what coms do at any organisation 06:00 rangi press releases, get info out about the releases to places like librarytechnology.org etc 06:00 BobB I mailed the list about it but don't have that to hand .... 06:00 cait nudge people to get their news into the newsletter.. on the blog... write something up etc 06:00 rangi they dont have to write it, but they can learn who to ask to write things, and then where to send them 06:01 BobB liaise with the newsletter eds, bash people to write articles, etc 06:01 mtompset Isn't that part of what the newsletter folks are doing? or is that something more than that? 06:01 BobB rangi ++ 06:01 cait mtompset: i think reaching into other media/places a bit more 06:01 BobB its broader imo 06:01 mtompset A Koha Evangelist? 06:02 rangi no 06:02 rangi thats a whole other thing 06:02 cait help us do good things AND actually talk about it? :) 06:02 BobB a coordinator of stuff that is already happening, and a stirrer to make more stuff happen 06:02 rangi yes 06:02 mtompset Public Relations person? 06:02 BobB but not to do stuff, oneself 06:03 BobB necessarily 06:03 Oak when you choose that person, i can be his/her assistant. 06:03 BobB Oak +1 06:03 bag Oak +1 06:04 BobB #info, if agreed to, these roles would be defined and advertised on the list: a call for nominations 06:04 rangi you know when you see somethign come across the list, 1000 libraries in turkey using koha .. someone who follows that up, finds out more info, gets it more widely circulated etc 06:04 rangi more like a journalist than a pr person ... we dont expect them to actually lie ;-) 06:04 mtompset Okay, I think I got it. 06:04 Oak i feel like i can do that. 06:05 mtompset both journalists and pr people lie, rangi. Fox News. ;) 06:05 cait :) 06:05 Oak Fox News.... really bad example 06:05 bag awesome Oak !!! 06:05 rangi i think calling people on fox news journalists is a huge disservice to journalists :) 06:05 rangi thats pr people and pr people :) 06:05 mtompset true, true. :) 06:05 cait Oak++ :) 06:06 rangi should we agree on the positions? 06:06 rangi minute that at least 06:06 mtompset but back on topic... yes, let's put that out on the list for a call for nominations. 06:06 BobB if we find people to fill them its a win, if we don't nothing is lost 06:06 rangi *nod* 06:06 bag +1 06:06 schnydszch media as in TV, newspaper and radio? 06:06 schnydszch *other media 06:06 cait ok, any veto? 06:07 bag I think part of the call for volunteers - will be they get to help create and shape this role too 06:07 BobB good point bag 06:07 Oak yes! i was thinking same thing. 06:08 cait what can i put in the agreed? 06:08 cait #agreed Look for a Wiki Curator and Communication manager 06:08 BobB yep 06:08 cait is somonewilling to write to the ml ?:) 06:09 BobB yes I can 06:09 cait #action BobB will email the mailing list about the new roles 06:09 cait BobB++ thx 06:09 cait moving on? 06:09 Oak BobB++ 06:09 BobB np 06:09 bag thank you very much BobB 06:09 cait #topic KohaCon15 06:10 cait i am not sure, is someone from Nigeria here? 06:10 cait gbengaadara: ? 06:10 gbengaadara yes 06:10 gbengaadara Sorry was late 06:10 rangi it must be early for you gbengaadara 06:10 gbengaadara I did not just want jump in 06:11 cait it's alright :) the meetings are at weird times 06:11 mtj hiya gbengaadara :) 06:11 gbengaadara hi all 06:11 BobB hi olug 06:11 cait late #info s are always ok too 06:12 gbengaadara ok then 06:12 gbengaadara We have a suggestion to host from 19th Oct. to 25th Oct 06:13 gbengaadara and follow the usual Kohacon pattern for conference and hackfest 06:14 mtompset http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/ 06:15 cait #link http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/ 06:15 cait gbengaadara++ sounds good 06:15 gbengaadara Thanks cait 06:16 cait any questions for gbengaadara? 06:16 gbengaadara I just learnt today we can create the conference wiki page 06:16 gbengaadara and can edit that. 06:16 gbengaadara May need help about that though 06:16 rangi yep, its a great place to put notes etc as you are planning things 06:17 rangi gbengaadara: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon15 06:17 rangi its all ready for you to start editing :) 06:17 cait gbengaadara: sure, just jump in here when there is a wiki problem 06:17 cait we can help figure it out 06:18 gbengaadara thanks rangi and cait 06:18 cait rangi++ 06:18 cait #info http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon15 06:18 gbengaadara We will keep the community posted as we move forward 06:19 gbengaadara and great thanks for allowing us to host this 06:19 cait thx gbengaadara for doing it 06:19 liw http://imgur.com/ZfFPZjt may be amusing 06:19 Oak gbengaadara++ 06:19 gbengaadara Questions?? 06:19 wahanui Questions are good :) 06:20 rangi liw++ 06:20 mtompset Nope. just a little sad that the Philippines didn't get their bid in on time. But we have 2016 already under way. :) 06:20 rangi gbengaadara: if you could put up travel info asap that would be great 06:20 rangi like what airport is closest, etc 06:21 rangi helps when researching flights/prices 06:21 rangi but no other questions 06:21 gbengaadara noted @rangi 06:21 gbengaadara thanks 06:22 schnydszch rangi, its posted here http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/getting-to-ibadan/ but if the community wants a more detailed one then please Olug :) 06:22 Oak and maybe what to pack specific to your part of the world, for example, sunscreen? 06:22 Oak but October may not be hot i guess. 06:22 gbengaadara noted oak 06:23 dcook @seen ribasushi 06:23 huginn dcook: ribasushi was last seen in #koha 4 days, 22 hours, 23 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <ribasushi> dcook: can you tell me where in the docs does it say that chaining will work the way you expected? can't seem to find it... 06:23 mtompset gbengaadara: You might want to fix the dates section. :) 06:23 gbengaadara we will update both the wiki and http://kohacon15bid.projektlinkkonsult.com/getting-to-ibadan/ 06:23 rangi thanks gbengaadara 06:24 cait moving on? 06:24 bag yup moving on 06:24 cait #topic Koha on FLOSS weekly 06:24 cait this is from magnuse i think 06:25 cait who is sleeping now... tsk 06:25 cait any thoughts? :) 06:25 mtompset Sounds like a Communications Manager thing. ;) 06:25 mtompset But yes, seems like a good idea to me. :) 06:25 Oak [off] WAKE UP magnuse! 06:26 rangi As long as it's not me, I'm for it 06:26 cait i think it could be good, but i am not listening to it regularly 06:26 cait heh 06:26 cait #info we generally like the idea, but no volunteer yet 06:26 cait move on? 06:27 cait #info Actions from General IRC meeting 22 October 2014 06:27 cait hm getting too tired 06:27 cait #topic Actions from General IRC meeting 22 October 2014 06:27 mtompset Were there any actions? 06:27 cait cheking 06:27 cait tcohen++ getting the film done :) 06:27 cait #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_22_october_2014.2014-10-22-13.05.html 06:28 mtompset Yes, indeed. 06:29 cait also, we figured out kohacon15... looking good to me on the list 06:29 BobB all done there cait 06:29 cait so next meeting... 06:29 mtompset Actually, did Tomas get the presentations uploaded? 06:30 cait some are on the wiki 06:30 cait i think if not it's probably on his list still :) 06:30 cait #topic Set time and date of next General IRC meeting 06:31 cait i am tired :) any suggestions? 06:31 cait maybe early december? 06:31 rangi 19 December? 06:31 cait should work for me 06:32 cait any suggestions on the time? 06:32 mtompset That's the last friday before Christmas holidays. 06:32 cait ah right, i was looking at november 06:32 * mtompset shrugs. 06:32 Oak mtompset++ 06:32 cait maybe more mid-week? 06:33 cait 17th? 06:33 BobB what about Dec 17? 06:33 BobB snap 06:33 cait ) 06:33 rangi Fine by me 06:33 mtj dec 17 +1 06:33 cait we can suggest a date and leave times to the other meeting heh 06:33 bag +1 06:33 cait any veto? 06:33 Oak +1 06:33 mtompset okay. 06:33 mtompset +1 06:33 cait #agreed meeting part 1 suggests December 17th for the next meeting 06:33 mtompset This is crazy late. :) 06:34 cait anything else? 06:34 * Oak hugs cait 06:34 cait #endmeeting 06:34 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 19 06:34:22 2014 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 06:34 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1.2014-11-19-05.04.html 06:34 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1.2014-11-19-05.04.txt 06:34 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014___part_1.2014-11-19-05.04.log.html 06:34 cait heh thx Oak :) 06:34 Oak :) 06:34 BobB thank you cait 06:34 cait thx for staying with me 06:34 bag thanks cait 06:34 mtompset -- I was going to say nope, but that's okay. :P 06:34 cait i am going back to bed for a bit before work now :) 06:34 mtompset cait++ # awesome chairing. 06:35 mtompset bag++ # subchairing. :) 06:35 Oak cait++ 06:35 Oak bag++ 06:35 * dcook sighs over SQL::Translator::Diff 06:35 Oak everyone++ 06:35 rangi I'm off to put kids to bed 06:35 gbengaadara cait++ 06:35 bag I'm off to bed 06:35 mtompset Thanks to the Filipino contingent that made it: manny schnydszch RTerrenal 06:35 Oak rangi only cait and mtompset need to sleep i think 06:35 gbengaadara bye folks 06:36 manny everyone++ 06:36 mtompset @karma everyone 06:36 Oak later gbengaadara 06:36 huginn mtompset: Karma for "everyone" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. 06:36 mtompset manny++ 06:36 bag just a reminder --> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 if anyone could maybe sign-off that last patch from eythian that would be rad 06:36 huginn 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 06:36 mtompset RTerrenal++ 06:38 dcook night all 06:38 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 06:38 schnydszch you're welcome mtompset 06:39 mtompset @karma manny 06:39 huginn mtompset: Karma for "manny" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 06:39 Malik____ how to take schedule backup of koha 06:39 schnydszch good night to all that's about to go to sleep. Good day to others! :) 06:39 Malik____ can any one tell me 06:40 mtompset Malik____: There is a cronjob installed by default for a package installation that does 2 days automatically. 06:40 Malik____ but i want hourly backup 06:41 schnydszch set the settings to do it hourly 06:42 rangi just write a cronjob that dumps the db every hour 06:42 rangi bearing in mind it will lock tables etc as its doing it 06:42 Malik____ ok got that 06:42 rangi so will cause lock ups/ go slows while you are doing it 06:42 mtompset schnydszch: The backup script is written for daily purposes, there is nothing hourly. A DB dump hourly is quickest and easiest. 06:42 rangi doing a full backup when the library is in heavy use is not a good idea, if you want it for hourly 06:43 rangi id suggest doing actual replication 06:43 rangi and nightly full dumps 06:43 schnydszch as they say yeah it's a bad idea to backup hourly 06:44 schnydszch okay, I''m setting some cron jobs on mine through webmin, it's easier to manage through an interface :) 06:44 rangi https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication.html 06:54 Malik____ hello to all i am working with sms configuration in koha so can anyone tell me that how it is possible to send notices to patrons in SMS 06:57 mtompset Have a great day, #koha schnydszch RTerrenal rangi mtj Malik____ dcook 06:58 schnydszch Malik: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Use-the-SMS-Send-driver-to-send-SMS-messages-in-Koha-td5727805.html 07:01 schnydszch you enable in sms send driver in global system preference the driver for sending your SMS (SMSSendDriver) 07:01 Malik____ i have tried these but i am working with GSM device is it possible to configure this device with koha on ubuntu 07:01 mtj you need to choose a good SMS company Malik____ 07:02 schnydszch I haven't tried it. I actually wanted to test this, however there are none yet in the Philippines. 07:02 Malik____ in GSM device i am using a mobile phone company 07:03 mtj ...choose a company, that has a working driver for perl 07:03 Malik____ i have tried but there API are not working in Pakistan 07:03 mtj ok, then you have a problem 07:04 Malik____ what 07:04 Malik____ i think GSM has drivers those are compatible with pearl 07:09 mtj Malik____: clickatell.com looks good for PK 07:10 Malik____ ok let me check 07:10 mtj https://www.clickatell.com/test-sms-gateway/ 07:11 mtj ...and has perl driver too 07:11 mtj http://search.cpan.org/~nobull/SMS-Send-Clickatell-0.02/lib/SMS/Send/Clickatell.pm 07:14 Malik____ nice and thanks now i will start working with Clickatell 07:14 littleboss hello can help fixing the install for this dep on koha 3.16 Template::Plugin::HtmlToText 07:16 Malik____ quite: 07:24 mtj littleboss: you are installing koha using packages, yes? 07:26 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze 07:36 mtj hmm, i think Malik might be better off using this... 07:36 mtj http://search.cpan.org/dist/SMS-Send-DeviceGsm/lib/SMS/Send/DeviceGsm.pm 07:36 mtj with his GSM box 07:37 mtj i see Joubu had some problems with koha and clickatell, and needed to patch 07:44 reiveune hello 07:44 wahanui hello, reiveune 07:44 * cait waves 07:44 * cait runs off to work 07:55 alex_a bonjour 07:56 eythian [off] I hope my snarky reply about the cataloguing interface wasn't too snarky. We shall see. 07:58 rangi [off] i was gonna reply to it, but hadnt got round to it 07:59 Joubu hello #koha 07:59 rangi [off] seems not too snarky to me 07:59 rangi hi Joubu 08:01 eythian hi Joubu, alex_a 08:02 Joubu eythian: I will try to have a look at your new syspref cache patch 08:03 eythian Joubu: thanks :D 08:03 littleboss mtj: Yes 08:04 Joubu mtj: I had problems with clickatell? Hum, it had to be someone else, I don't know what is clickatell :) 08:04 * eythian makes like a tree and leaves 08:06 mtj Joubu: https://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/msg06687.html 08:06 littleboss mtj: Had to step away 08:06 littleboss mtj: pachkages yes 08:07 Joubu mtj: ha yes :) I forgot this email 08:07 mtj aah Joubu, you made a general SMS patch? - not a patch for clickatell 08:08 mtj littleboss: # apt-get intsall libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl 08:08 Joubu mtj: that's it, I did not write this module (Clickatell.pm) 08:08 mtj ok, got it :) 08:08 littleboss mtj: have an error on that 08:09 littleboss mtj: all the other modules install 08:09 mtj hmm, ok 08:09 mtj paste? 08:09 wahanui i think paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org 08:09 mtj littleboss: paste error there ^ 08:11 littleboss mtj: E: Package 'libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl' has no installation candidate 08:11 littleboss mtj: Package libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is not available, but is referred to by another package. 08:11 littleboss This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or 08:11 littleboss is only available from another source 08:12 mtj you have some mistake with your apt sources , i think 08:13 littleboss mtj: what would be the work around 08:14 littleboss mtj: :) 08:14 eythian there is a version of libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl in all the Koha repos. 08:14 * eythian is not good at leaving but it really doing it now 08:14 eythian littleboss: it sounds like you might not have the Koha repo sources added correctly, I'll let mtj help with that :) 08:15 mtj littleboss: are you following the good install instructions? 08:15 mtj -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze 08:17 mtj 'To get the stable 3.16 release, add this to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file:' 08:17 mtj deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main 08:17 mtj . 08:18 mtj i think you miss this step? ^ 08:18 Joubu rangi: do you know when the spliter update its data? 08:18 Joubu rangi: I don't see patches I sent recently 08:25 littleboss mtj: yes 08:25 littleboss :eythian bn checking it out in vain 08:26 littleboss mtj: let me try tht will get back to you asap 08:27 mtj no probs littleboss 08:27 mtj ..you can always create a new linux VM, to test :) 08:28 * cait waves 08:30 littleboss mtj: true 08:31 rangi Joubu: it should be running every morning, it might have died for some reason, ill check 08:31 rangi just ran it manually, look better now? 08:32 Joubu rangi: yep! 08:32 Joubu So what the problem? 08:33 rangi not sure, the cron is set up, ill set it to mail me instead of > /dev/null so i can see if it throws an error 08:39 schnydszch hi sophiem of biblibre, i have question regarding koha-drupal koha connector 08:44 schnydszch please correct me if I'm wrong, is the Koha connector module in drupal for UNIMARC only? 08:45 paul_p jajm ^ 08:47 jajm schnydszch, hi, the koha connector is very configurable, but maybe some things are UNIMARC only, like 200$a for the title (but that could be changed easily in the source code) 08:52 schnydszch so the koha.conf in one of the files in the module needs to be configured. However, when I run the drush opac-harvest I get this WD OPAC HARVEST: Can't determine the content type for record 08:52 schnydszch WD OPAC HARVEST: Can't determine the content type for record 08:53 schnydszch is this related to the koha connector not configured for UNIMARC? or another thing 08:55 schnydszch i'm testing this in Koha 3.16.4 drush version 6.2.0 and drupal 7.28. hi paul_p :) 08:56 paul_p schnydszch (the author of the connector is jajm, not me. I'm jajm boss ;-) ) 08:57 jajm schnydszch, you need to configure the content types for your opac server, in drupal admin 08:58 jajm schnydszch, https://www.drupal.org/node/1780226 08:58 schnydszch I've already configured. do i need to configure them all. I only configured one field 08:59 jajm it seems that the rule you set doesn't match 09:00 schnydszch the itemtype is 995. however the field for itemtype is 952 09:00 schnydszch as i see in the mapping 09:02 jajm schnydszch, what do you have in koha.conf about itemtype ? 09:04 schnydszch by the way, wheke.org is down, this was presented in Koha Con '13 :) 09:05 jajm schnydszch, hmm... wheke.org is still up for me 09:05 schnydszch it's inaccessible for me. right now, itype is 995 09:06 schnydszch it was the default 09:06 schnydszch http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wheke.org 09:07 jajm schnydszch, maybe it's a bad idea to use an item field for guessing the content type, there could be multiple different values, also we never used an item field for that, so you probably found a bug 09:11 schnydszch oh.. one question further. Is the koha-restful needed to be configured? or ILS-DI is enough? 09:11 schnydszch I was thinking that could be one of the reason(s)? 09:29 mveron hi #koha 09:31 * mveron neded quite a time to find a three line fix for Bug 10956 freezing browser while highlighting... 09:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash 09:34 Joubu mveron: I have already fixed that! 09:35 Joubu weird, let me check 09:35 mveron Joubu: Fixed in master? 09:35 Joubu at least submited a patch! 09:37 jajm schnydszch, koha-restful is not needed for opac-harvest, it uses ILS-DI GetRecords 09:38 mveron Joubu:I searchd Bugzilla first, but did not find anything. That's why I worked on it. Do you rmember the Bug number? 09:39 Joubu mveron: 9419: 09:39 Joubu bug 9419 09:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9419 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, The highlight feature can cause a browser freeze 09:39 Joubu the patch fixed opac-results only... 09:40 Joubu mveron: maybe it could be good to have the same function 09:41 schnydszch jajm, okay. I have a item type RETRATO in Koha ILS. In Drupal, I have content type retrato. i tried in field value "/^RETRATO$/" and "/RETRATO /" But still giving me WD OPAC HARVEST: Can't determine the content type for record n° 19 [warning] coming from filipinas_library server. Title: . Switch this record when I issue drush opac-harvest --from=1 --to=20 --print-id -v 09:42 Joubu mveron: see bug 8646 too 09:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8646 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, CLOSED FIXED, Certain search terms cause browser "script taking too long" error 09:44 jajm schnydszch, as i said, maybe it's not possible to use an item field for that, could you try with another field ? 09:45 schnydszch can somebody using 3.16.4 confirm if they're getting the same. In circulation and fine rules, heard due date is non editable. Whenever it is edited it sets to None define. i've also tried this with bywater's http://intranet.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl which is 3.17.x Please confirm. Thanks! 09:45 schnydszch jajm, okay i'll try 09:52 littleboss schnydszch: how did you get past Package libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is not available error in 3.16.4 09:53 littleboss schnydszch: building a test env to handle this any suggestions ? 09:57 schnydszch littleboss, is this for koha-restful? if it is, I was not successful installing it 10:01 littleboss schnydszch: from here http://download.koha-community.org/koha-latest.tar.gz 10:01 schnydszch jajm, i've tried with books field value "/^BK$/" and only mapping is ISBN because it was the only field I can edit on the fly (from 010 to 020). I'm still getting the same error 10:02 schnydszch by the way, koha installation is debian package 10:03 littleboss running it on ubuntu :) 10:03 jajm schnydszch, on which field do you try to match '^BK$' ? 10:04 schnydszch Books content type 10:04 schnydszch jajm, "/^BK$/" 10:04 schnydszch jajm, Books content type 10:04 littleboss schnydszch: stuck at web installer step 1 because of Template::Plugin::HtmlToText 10:06 schnydszch littleboss try cpan 10:06 jajm schnydszch, Books content type corresponds to a MARC field in koha.conf, do your Koha records have 'BK' in this MARC field ? 10:07 littleboss schnydszch tried it 10:07 littleboss schnydszch let me share the error 10:07 schnydszch littleboss, you can follow this http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze I'm not sure if it's doable in Ubuntu 10:09 schnydszch yes it's in 952$y 10:09 schnydszch which is the itemtype 10:09 jajm schnydszch, an item field ? 10:10 schnydszch yep 10:10 schnydszch i edited 995 to 952 10:10 schnydszch ; Itype biblioFields[itype][label] = 952 Items type biblioFields[itype][description] = "items type in 952\$y marc field." biblioFields[itype][get][0][value] = '952$y' biblioFields[itype][default] = 'INC' 10:12 littleboss schnydszch thnks for the heads-up 10:12 mveron Joubu: The fixes in bug 9419 and bug 8646 are related to the prog theme (Opac). My fix in Bug 10956 is for bootstrap 10:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9419 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, The highlight feature can cause a browser freeze 10:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8646 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, CLOSED FIXED, Certain search terms cause browser "script taking too long" error 10:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash 10:12 jajm schnydszch, try with a non-item field, a non-repeatable one if possible 10:13 schnydszch littleboss, yeah never experienced that as of late since using the debian package 10:13 schnydszch jajm, okay i'll try to look at my marc records 10:13 schnydszch how about control field? 10:13 wahanui control field is number ? 10:14 littleboss mtj it installs but the recheck still fails 10:14 schnydszch 001 I mean 10:14 schnydszch control no 10:14 littleboss schnydszch it has funnyly installed but the the recheck still fails 10:15 schnydszch you passed through koha web installer 10:15 schnydszch ? 10:15 littleboss yes 10:15 littleboss downloaded the kohalatest 10:16 littleboss installed. bn doing that on past installs 10:17 Joubu mveron: yes I saw. That's why I suggested you to use the same code 10:21 schnydszch jajm, probably this error above the message will help (?): Undefined offset: 0 koha.inc:456 10:22 schnydszch somewhere along the line 456: // Title information. $bib['title'] = ''; $title = $this->get(array('value' => '200$a'), $bib_info_marc); $bib['title'] = $title[0]; if (!$bib['title']) { $bib['title'] = ' '; 10:23 jajm schnydszch, hmm, which version of koha-connector do you use ? 10:24 schnydszch koha_connector-7.x-2.x-dev 10:26 jajm schnydszch, and which version of opac ? 10:27 schnydszch opac-7.x-2.0 10:27 jajm schnydszch, you should probably upgrade to 3.x-dev for both 10:27 schnydszch okay jajm, i'll try 10:28 jajm koha-connector 3.x-dev was not visible on drupal.org, but i just fixed that 10:31 schnydszch okay thanks, I'm trying it now. I downloaded it already 10:45 mveron Joubu: Bug 10956 changed 10:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash 10:50 Joubu mveron: looks good, thanks! 12:03 tcohen hi 12:03 wahanui hey, tcohen 12:06 * magnuse waves temporarily 12:09 cait tcohen++ # commnicating :) 12:09 cait #communicating even 12:28 * mveron waves 12:28 mveron @wunder Allschwil 12:28 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 12.1°C (1:28 PM CET on November 19, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 12:38 tcohen hi again 12:50 oleonard Hi #koha 12:51 littleboss This module is driving me nuts ! Template::Plugin::HtmlToText 12:51 littleboss Have installed it by hand still missing 12:51 littleboss any pointers 12:51 littleboss :( 12:52 littleboss koha 3.16.04 on ubuntu 14 12:52 tcohen Joubu: would u agree to rename mock_dbh for mock_context? 12:54 Joubu tcohen: yep 12:55 oleonard cait++ # for chairing the meeting earlier 12:59 cait thx oleonard 13:01 schnydszch_ littleboss maybe you need to install the perl module manually 13:01 schnydszch_ here's the link http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/F/FA/FAYLAND/Template-Plugin-HtmlToText-0.03.tar.gz 13:02 schnydszch_ i look at my perl module of the same, it's 0.03 13:14 cait i think the next meeting in a few hours? 13:14 cait hm 8 hours? 13:16 schnydszch_ jajm, I tried the dev versions still getting the 13:16 schnydszch_ same errors 13:19 oleonard Can someone please see if they can reproduce Bug 13289? 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13289 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Calendar with weekly repeating holidays completely broken by DataTables upgrade 13:21 cait not right now sorry :( 13:25 jajm schnydszch_, did you run the updatedb after upgrading to 3.x ? 13:27 schnydszch_ jajm i have just run it 13:27 schnydszch_ jajm, i'm seeing opac alpha uploaded 11/19 13:30 jajm schnydszch_, can you confirm your drupal installation have access to koha ils-di ? (you can see it in admin » config » opac servers » YOUR SERVER, or, in URL terms, /admin/config/opac/servers/manage/YOURSERVER/view) 13:31 schnydszch_ i'm trying to upload the opac alpha 13:39 schnydszch_ jajm same as before http response 200 13:39 schnydszch_ is my ILS Connection test through ILS-DI 13:42 jajm schnydszch_, i don't have any other idea... :/ 13:48 bigbrovar Hi guys. after setting up koha instance for my school (on our intranet) it worked fine so we proceeded to do a setup on linode everything seems ok.. exporting marc from the intranet version to the version on linode went well without problems.. however when I did test to put a book on hold I get this error "Sorry, none of these items can be placed on hold." " No available items" 13:49 bigbrovar this is even when the item information are displayed and the item is marked as available. I crossed check the circulation and fine rules and have the default all setup 13:50 cait bigbrovar: check allowonshelfholds preference 13:50 ashimema so does it work on your intranets installation? 13:50 cait bigbrovar: also make sure that you have the number of reserves in the cirulation rule not empty, but with a number 14:00 bigbrovar cait: Thanks alot. I will do just that 14:01 bigbrovar cait: That as it. placing holds now work 14:05 schnydszch__ Thank you very much jajm for the Koha-Drupal integration. I'll configure and read further. I'll try to remap koha.conf UNIMARC to MARC21 and share it. Cheers! :) 14:10 Joubu oleonard: what do you mean by "broken" in bug Bug 13289? 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13289 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Calendar with weekly repeating holidays completely broken by DataTables upgrade 14:11 Joubu I get really weird behaviors on the page too 14:11 oleonard Joubu: I mean the page doesn't load at all 14:11 Joubu yep, same here... 14:11 Joubu outch 14:12 oleonard Joubu: Before you get too deep into that problem I have a question about Bug 13288 14:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13288 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Saved reports tabs broken by DataTables upgrade 14:12 oleonard The patch works, but there seems to be a noticeable slowdown with loading each tab 14:13 Joubu how? 14:13 Joubu I didn't notice that 14:13 oleonard When I test it before the DataTables upgrade, clicking each tab brings up the contents of the tab almost instantly 14:13 Joubu but I don't have a lot of report (something like ~30) 14:14 oleonard After the patch it takes about one second for the tab to switch 14:14 oleonard So: Click the tab... Wait one second... The tab switches. 14:14 Joubu hum... 14:14 oleonard I have 31 reports in all 14:17 tcohen mtj++ 14:22 Joubu oleonard: repeatable holidays: it comes from the document.write into a td (...) 14:22 Joubu oleonard: Which is really dirty 14:22 Joubu But I don't know how we could fix that 14:24 oleonard I'll take a look and see if I can get any ideas Joubu 14:31 Joubu oleonard: ok patch sent 14:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12376 - blinking cursor not clear in larger resolutions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b60192397c30cc25d8f9ff4eec5f021111ef9c2d> / Bug 13234 [Follow-up] Make on-site checkouts visible in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=535a224b8710e8218bae40649d72b626d8fc412d> / Bug 13234: On-site checkouts - OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a= 14:54 oleonard Thanks Joubu 14:54 oleonard Joubu++ 14:54 littleboss how do i download in chat ? 14:55 littleboss anyone :( 14:55 oleonard Download in chat? What do you mean? 14:55 littleboss RngTFM does not help 14:56 littleboss suppose I need to share files in chat 14:56 oleonard You post the file somewhere and share a link to it here 14:56 oleonard Is it text? 14:56 littleboss audio 14:57 oleonard Why? 14:57 littleboss music 16:03 * Joubu is sending an audio file to oleonard 16:03 Joubu see you #koha 16:03 bag morning 16:14 drojf hi #koha 16:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7143 : Updating history and about page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=719c1335d878cc2ab94af262bea4540daabc5d55> / Bug 12132: display guarantees if a patron has them, regardless of category type <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=857c68e2a667eea55255a373583c9ed69ea1cea9> / Bug 13223: [QA Follow-up] Adding some unit tests for wrapper <http://git.koha-communit 16:32 cait hi drojf, hi bag - bbiab :) 16:33 cait and don't forget... second election meetig later :) 16:33 bag nice 16:56 bag tcohen: thanks for the feedback on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 16:56 huginn 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 16:56 bag @later tell eythian - Hey Robin you've got a little feedback on this - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 What do you think about it? 16:56 huginn bag: The operation succeeded. 16:56 huginn 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 17:06 reiveune bye 17:35 * cait waves 17:53 tcohen bye #koha 17:54 mtompset Bye, tcohen. :) 17:54 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:29 AmitG bag around? 18:30 bag heya AmitG 18:31 kathryn hi bag 'n'all 18:31 bag heya kathryn 18:32 wahanui i heard kathryn was beaten by a banana. 18:32 kathryn oh for goodness sake... 18:32 kathryn I did NOT hear that wahanui! 18:32 kathryn :) 18:34 AmitG heya kathryn 18:40 mtompset Greetings, AmitG bag kathryn. :) 18:40 kathryn Hi AmitG and mtompset :) 19:33 mtompset Oh my! I remember this bug I was working on. 20:53 bag hey cait you shared a nice wiki page last night of the bugs for 3.18 - do you still have that page handy? I'd like to share that with a few people 20:53 cait sure, if you are lookign for new pages the 'recent changes' link is pretty handy 20:54 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Critical_circ_bugs 20:54 cait 5 mins to meeting, brb 20:54 nancyk hicait, just checking to see if I can get in 20:57 * wizzyrea wonders why wahanui thinks kathryn was beaten by a banana 21:00 cait hi nancyk 21:00 cait wizzyrea: eythian? 21:00 wahanui i think eythian is Time's Person of the Year for 2006. 21:00 cait he is usually to blame for things like hat 21:01 kathryn cait I think it is a consolation prize really, as that silly photo is now gone :) 21:01 cait which photo? :) 21:02 drojf a photo of you and the banana? 21:02 wajasu ha! 21:02 cait ok, meeting time? 21:02 wahanui i guess meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe 21:03 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 19 November 2014, part 2 21:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 19 21:03:22 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2' 21:03 cait #topic introductions 21:03 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 21:03 cait please introuce yourself with #info! 21:04 cait it is time for the meeting, isn't it? 21:04 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia 21:04 jmsasse #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek, MN 21:04 nancyk #info nancyk Reno, Nevada Washoe County Library System 21:04 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin 21:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 21:05 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto, BWS, USA 21:05 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 21:05 gbengaadara #info Olugbenga Adara Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria 21:05 wajasu #info! 21:05 edveal #info edveal, BWS USA 21:05 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 21:05 talljoy_phone #info Joy Nelson BWS, USA 21:05 edveal #info Ed Veal ByWater 21:05 bag hey thanks for the link cait 21:06 cait yw 21:06 cait #topic Announcements 21:06 cait any announcements? 21:06 dani #Dani Elder BWS, USA 21:07 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT 21:07 dani #info Dani Elder BWS, USA 21:07 bag ES demo is up from Robin http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 21:07 cait good news! 21:07 wahanui i guess good news is it looks like it's running properly. 21:07 cait but please start testing afterthe meeting :) 21:07 wizzyrea erm, I suppose a general announcement is that one should file bugs for anything website related on bugzilla, under "website" 21:07 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, Kentucky, USA 21:07 bag not totally ready for feedback though - since we're still doing lots of development 21:07 cait #info ES demo is up from Robin http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 21:08 cait #info Koha, a community - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHav6PL_4Bo&feature=youtu.be A video made during KohaCon14 in Argentina got published yesterday 21:08 bag #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Critical_circ_bugs 21:08 cait yes, we still need testing and patches 21:08 cait please keep an eye on that page and see how you can help 21:08 wizzyrea tcohen++ unc++ the video is cool 21:08 wizzyrea bgkriegel++ 21:08 cait moving on to the releases 21:09 cait #topic Update on releases (3.8 - 3.18) 21:09 mario #info Mario Guilin ByWater 21:09 cait rm or rmaints around? :) 21:09 bag bummer no tcohen 21:10 cait #info String Freeze for 3.18 is on 21th this week 21:10 cait see tomas' email earlier 21:10 BobB #info a Beta for 3.18 was released a few days ago: please test 21:10 cait #info Release 3.18 is on 28th next week 21:10 wahanui i already had it that way, cait. 21:10 cait thx BobB 21:10 BobB :) 21:10 cait ok, anything else? :) 21:11 cait i'd like to do elections next, like in the first meeting if that#s ok for everyone? 21:11 wizzyrea go for it 21:11 cait #topic Elections! 21:11 BobB I voted yesterday, will pass 21:11 cait #info Nominations are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 21:11 * bag already voted this morning (so I will pass too) 21:11 cait i also won't vote as i voted this morning 21:12 * BobB goes to grab breakfast 21:12 cait ok, first, RM 21:12 cait any questions? 21:13 cait ok, vote on Release manager now - candidate is Tomas Cohen Arazi 21:13 thd +1 21:13 cait +1, -1.. you know how it works :) 21:13 nancyk +1 21:13 JesseM +1 21:13 jmsasse +1 21:13 drojf +1 21:14 barton +1 21:14 learn_koha hi anyone knows how to import bulk books to koha please? 21:14 cait :) 21:14 cait tcohen++ :) 21:14 cait learn_koha: we are int he middle of a meeting - maybe try again a bit later? 21:14 cait #agreed Release Manager 3.18: Tomas Cohen Arazi 21:14 cait Next are module maintainers 21:15 BobB back 21:15 learn_koha ok 21:15 cait mtj volunteered for the missing post of 3.16 rmaint, so we have a full set of rmaints now 21:15 cait any questions? 21:15 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT 21:16 nancyk roles 21:16 cait any problem with voting them as a group? 21:16 wizzyrea +1 21:16 thd +1 for groups 21:16 drojf +1 for group voting 21:16 cait please vote for the release maintainers now as listed on the wiki 21:16 thd +1 21:16 wizzyrea +1 21:16 jmsasse +1 21:17 drojf +1 21:17 barton +1 21:17 nancyk +1 21:19 cait #agreed Release Maintainers: Chris Cormack (3.18), Mason James (3.16), Fridolin Somers (3.14) 21:19 barton although, just for the sake of completeness, who does "..." represent? 21:19 cait barton: in case someone wanted to step up and maintain an older version 21:19 thd barton: That is you 21:19 barton HA 21:19 cait it just didn't get cleaned up form the page yet 21:19 cait so any questions about the module maintainers? 21:19 barton I'm good, cait. 21:19 thd Who was the only module maintainer who contributed last time? 21:19 cait trying to leave some room for questions in between voting - please tell me if i am too fast or slow 21:19 cait thd: not sure that's a fair question :) 21:19 cait I think it was the one doing OPAC 21:19 thd It is a very unfair question. 21:19 cait vote? 21:19 wahanui i guess vote is going to the list regardless of what we decide 21:20 cait Please vote for the module maintainers as listed on the wiki now 21:20 drojf +1 21:20 wizzyrea +1 21:20 nancyk +1 21:20 eythian +1 21:20 thd I assume that everyone contributes more than enough despite some adverse comment in the list. 21:20 gbengaadara +1 21:20 thd +1 21:20 jmsasse +1 21:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13277: (QA followup) use t::lib::Mocks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95ce6945d879dd2ca82ccc988e84535f89a384f3> / Bug 13277: t/SuggestionEngine_AuthorityFile.t shouldn't depend on the DB <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98fcda28ff119bc6ef6b35e5cd32e57f50870d6f> / Bug 13278: (QA followup) use t::lib::Mocks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git; 21:21 cait ah, RM interrupts 21:21 cait #agreed Module Maintainers: Martin Renvoize (Auth), Colin Campbell (SIP), Kyle M Hall (Holds), Galen Charlton (Patron Privacy) 21:21 wizzyrea We had no QA manager for years, that was not a reason to remove the role. Now QA is well established. I hope that it will be the same for Module Maintainers < I agree with PaulP 21:21 cait i think it's worth giving it a second try 21:21 wizzyrea I think it's worth trying until we get there 21:21 barton nod. 21:21 cait next is translation manager 21:21 wahanui i already had it that way, cait. 21:21 cait any questions? 21:22 wizzyrea forget next 21:22 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot next 21:22 cait ... and bgkriegel++ while we are there 21:22 wizzyrea bgkriegel++ 21:22 cait ok, please vote on translation manager now :) 21:22 wizzyrea +1 21:22 thd +1 21:22 drojf +1 21:22 barton +1 21:22 nancyk +1 21:22 eythian +1 21:23 cait #agreed Translation Manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 21:23 BobB wahanui: next? 21:23 wahanui i don't know, bobb 21:23 cait i'd like to combine the documentation roles into one vote 21:23 cait and wuestions about documentation manager or database documentation manager? 21:24 cait please vote for (database) documentation manager 21:24 thd +1 21:24 wizzyrea +1 21:24 nancyk +1 21:24 drojf +1 21:24 eythian +1 21:24 talljoy_phone +1 21:25 edveal +1 21:25 cait #agreed (Database) Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard 21:25 dani +1 21:25 cait oh sorry 21:25 cait sent too fast 21:25 cait #chair drojf 21:25 huginn Current chairs: cait drojf 21:25 cait you got randomly picked to do the votes for qa :) 21:25 drojf oops 21:25 wizzyrea #agreed Documentation manager: Nicole Engard 21:26 cait thx wizzyrea 21:26 wizzyrea yep nw 21:26 cait not sure if it sticks without being chair 21:26 drojf ok then, please vote for qa manager now 21:26 wizzyrea +1 I for one welcome our lovely QA overlord. 21:26 eythian +1 21:27 nancyk +1 21:27 jmsasse +1 21:27 talljoy +1 21:27 drojf am i still allowed to vote? ^^ 21:27 drojf +1 21:27 thd +1 21:28 drojf #agreed Quality Assurance Manager Katrin Fischer 21:28 cait thx :) drojf++ 21:28 bag cait++ 21:28 cait next on the list is our QA team 21:28 drojf do i have to rechair you? :) 21:28 cait any questions? 21:28 cait drojf: we both are now :) 21:29 cait ok, please vote on the qa team now 21:29 drojf +1 21:29 nancyk +1 21:30 thd +1 21:30 wizzyrea +1 21:30 eythian +1 21:30 talljoy +1 21:31 cait #agreed QA Team: Marcel de Rooy, Jonathan Druart, Paul Poulain, Christopher Brannon, Brendan Gallagher, Martin Renvoize, Kyle M Hall 21:31 cait ok, next is packaging manager... do we have a volunteer for that? 21:31 talljoy cait's minions 21:31 cait i wish :) 21:31 cait ok, we have one, it#s eythian 21:31 cait please vote for packaging manager :) 21:32 wizzyrea +1 21:32 drojf +1 21:32 eythian ±0 21:32 barton +1 21:32 nancyk +1 21:32 thd +1 21:32 gbengaadara +1 21:32 cait #agreed Packaging Manager: Robin Sheat 21:32 cait last one is bug wrangler 21:32 cait any questions? 21:33 cait please vote :) 21:33 barton +1 21:33 nancyk +1 21:33 wizzyrea +1 21:33 talljoy +1 21:33 thd +1 21:33 drojf +1 21:33 barton (+2 if magnus does neat stuff with kohadevbox) 21:34 wizzyrea :) 21:34 jmsasse +1 21:34 eythian +1 21:34 thd cait: There is one more category added. 21:34 cait #agreed Bug Wrangler: Magnus Enger 21:34 cait yes 21:34 cait i am not sure how to deal with that 21:34 cait because the nominations were added after the first meeting today 21:35 drojf not that i don't like the category but i think we should vote that next time then? 21:35 thd The first meeting can vote again next month. 21:35 cait i am not sure it would make sense to split like that 21:35 cait i'd like to not spread out a vote over a month :) 21:35 thd cait: OK, I agree. 21:35 cait i don't think people won't be voted 21:36 cait did you plan to start right away? 21:36 thd cait: no, you should read my proposal. 21:37 cait i haven't yet to be honest 21:37 cait didn't have the time 21:37 thd However, the whole role should be open to everyone always. 21:37 BobB hi cait, I can speak to this 21:37 wizzyrea Personally, I think if they are volunteering, and they want to do it, they should. 21:38 drojf i don't think postponing the vote should/will keep anyone from volunteering on things 21:38 barton wizzyrea++ 21:38 BobB #info the first meeting decided to advertise the role on the list and call for nominations 21:38 cait I think so too 21:38 cait we don't keep people from cleaning up the wiki now :) 21:38 BobB #info Then there were no nominations, now there are 21:38 wizzyrea yeah, vote next time, if it really requires a vote? 21:38 BobB #info So I think it still needs a short note to the list, but now ... 21:39 wizzyrea I guess that's the part I don't understand, why it actually needs a vote? 21:39 BobB that note can point to the wiki and existing nominations 21:39 thd I wrote the entry in plural form like bug wrangler. 21:39 BobB and we vote at next month's meeting 21:39 BobB in the meantime, of course, those willing continue 21:39 barton makes sense, BobB. 21:39 cait wizzyrea: i think because we want to give it a more official touch :) 21:40 wizzyrea as you wish 21:40 cait the same as for other roles 21:40 cait #info official elections for Wiki curator to take place next meeting 21:41 BobB cool 21:41 cait we got a release team! 21:41 BobB well done cait and thank you!!!! to all team members 21:41 cait #topic Establish a Road Map for Koha 21:42 BobB #info this arises from a discussion on the sidelines of KohaCon 21:42 BobB #info Until at least 3.12 we had a roadmap that was time (release) based 21:42 BobB #info the idea is to re-create the roadmap, but not time based 21:43 BobB #info so it serves a little like a strategic plan for the code, less formal 21:43 BobB #info we suggest taht the first meeting after the Release should review the release and discuss updates to the roadmap 21:44 BobB #info but maintaining the roadmap can be a continuous process, of course 21:44 BobB #info the other idea was that items in the roadmap would be described in just a few lines ... 21:44 BobB with a link to another page providing a full RFS 21:44 BobB that 21:44 BobB 's it 21:45 BobB #info with a link to another page providing a full RFC 21:45 BobB even 21:45 bag thanks again BobB 21:45 thd BobB: You seem to be describing a wiki. 21:46 BobB it would of course be a page on teh wiki 21:46 BobB on phone 21:46 cait I think we had talked about the wiki too in argentina when discussing this 21:46 wizzyrea https://www.drupal.org/roadmap I would like to see a page like this 21:46 wizzyrea on our website 21:47 cait i think maybe draft on the wiki 21:47 cait and when we have a stable state we could move it to the website? 21:47 cait or have a link 21:47 wizzyrea https://core.trac.wordpress.org/roadmap or something like this 21:48 wizzyrea the dashboard does some of that 21:48 mario +1 21:48 bag I think for now we are just trying to get it going again 21:48 wizzyrea I'm suggesting ways in which it could be done ;) 21:48 bag the process and what it's like will come with time :) for now - yes let's do it or not 21:48 cait #link https://core.trac.wordpress.org/roadmap 21:48 wizzyrea Koha needs a roadmac 21:49 thd Is wiki content ever stable? 21:49 wizzyrea roadmap. 21:49 cait #link https://www.drupal.org/roadmap 21:49 cait i am pro trying a roadmap, but i think we need tomake sure it's not a promise 21:49 cait for a certain release or date 21:49 cait well looks like a promise 21:50 wizzyrea https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Roadmap 21:50 wizzyrea bugzilla has a nice, wiki based, example. 21:50 drojf when the roadmap is discussed after releases it may be a good moment to transfer a current state from teh wiki to the website 21:50 cait #link https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Roadmap 21:50 wizzyrea which makes use of the internal bugzilla priorities 21:50 BobB back 21:51 bag welcome back BobB 21:52 cait the first meeting suggested discussing the road map more at the next meeting, which will be shortly after release I think 21:52 BobB indeed cait 21:52 bag yeah lets do the roadmap next meeting :D 21:52 cait also to 'Have a retrospective meeting as part of the release process' 21:52 drojf did you vote yes or no in general for a roadmap in the first meeting? 21:53 thd Sadly, I am unlikely toi be able to attend the next meeting but I will read the logs and any discussion on the mailing list. 21:53 cait we could collect examples on the wiki until then, or on the next agenda 21:53 cait i think it got positive response 21:53 BobB will keep you posted, thd 21:53 cait BobB and bag were there too this morning, so I hope they correct me :) 21:53 thd My specific proposal for the wiki was mostly related to other maintenance issues. 21:53 cait well ... when i got something wrong :) 21:54 BobB it got positive response withut a formal vote 21:54 wizzyrea it's a good idea. 21:54 drojf i think it's a good idea 21:54 bag there were no objections is maybe a good way to put it 21:54 drojf yes, exactly :D 21:55 cait ok, so going to add ideas to next meetings agenda? 21:55 bag cait++ 21:55 BobB yes please 21:55 cait #agreed We will gather information and ideas for the road map on the next meetings agenda 21:55 cait #topic Establish new roles within the release team 21:55 cait we already heard a bit about the idea of having a wiki curator i think 21:56 cait the other idea is having a communication manager 21:56 cait BobB: could you explain? 21:56 thd One of the key things I examine for any software project which posts one is the development roadmap. 21:56 BobB yeah I think we have resolved wiki curator for now? 21:56 cait thd: i think the danger is that we can't give guarantees formost things - as we are on time based - hope we can avoid wrong expectations 21:57 thd I also prefer feature based releases but that has not worked as well for the project. 21:57 drojf i understood the roadmap to be not time/releasebased so i see no problem there 21:57 BobB thd that is a core aspect of the proposal - the roadmap will not be time based 21:57 bag drojf++ good comment 21:58 wizzyrea A statement of "these are the things we're working on, but we don't know when we'll get them done" 21:58 wizzyrea or "these are the goals we have for the project" 21:58 wizzyrea and maybe a statement of priority. 21:58 BobB yes, prominently 21:59 BobB or just whether it is being worked on now or not 21:59 cait should we omve on to Communication Manager? 21:59 BobB #info on the sidelines of KohaCon there was discussion about adding a Communications Manager role to the release team 22:00 bag yes let's move on cait 22:00 BobB #info this is to be a coordinating role, more than a doing role 22:00 BobB we thought it would be a role a librarian could fulfill, rather than a developer, 22:01 BobB so that it does not consume development time 22:01 BobB but is active in seeing the project is promoted more than it is now 22:01 BobB So: prompting other people to write stuff, 22:01 BobB liaising with the (excellent) newsletter team 22:01 bag BobB: is this written up anywhere? or waiting for vote and then forwarding to mailing list? 22:02 BobB its in the minutes of the first meeting I guess 22:02 BobB not elsewhere, in any great detail 22:03 bag ok cool - I have some people in mind 22:03 BobB I don't have anything to hand bag 22:03 thd Is this the role Kahtiki [please correct my spelling]? 22:03 BobB I think the question is: do we endorse the role 22:03 BobB if so, it can be fleshed out and call for nominations put out to the list 22:03 drojf is it supposed to be some kind of official spokesperson to direct inquieres to? 22:04 bag BobB: no worries - I'm thinking a phone call will work from me (of course) 22:04 bag drojf: nope 22:04 bag thd: no 22:04 BobB droif not necessarily, but it could be if the community had that level of confidence 22:04 BobB so maybe that could come later 22:05 drojf ok 22:05 cait i think we started with a discussion that we do great things, but don't tlak about it 22:05 cait and trying to think of ways how we could make that happen 22:05 BobB Stuff gets on list but not pushed as a press release e.g. to Marshall Breeding 22:05 wizzyrea we should ask marshall breeding to publish our newsletter. 22:06 drojf makes sense. thinking of the excellent video that was done in argentina… we could probably have more things pushed to the outside world 22:06 bag rangi had a few good things to say in it too - check the logs 22:06 BobB we just found out there is a union catalogue in Argentina with a thousand public libraries: wow! but who knows that? 22:07 bag the idea is someone to help us all promote koha better (not protect it) 22:07 bag but not an evangelist 22:07 BobB the closed source systems have marketing departments, we have word of mouth :) 22:07 cait orthe public libraries in greece 22:08 BobB or phillipines or turkey ... 22:08 bag sort of more a journalist 22:08 bag yeah what cait and BobB are saying 22:08 cait turkey... not greece, although who knows? :) 22:08 BobB more to pull stuff together and to get it out there, rather than to do stuff oneself 22:09 bag and of course whomeever volunteers for this - will help create and shape the roll 22:09 drojf BobB: i think that may have to do with the "free & open" thing. you can get every information you would ever like to have about koha by yourself. that is not the case with proprietary systems. but we should not assume that everyone will know that and/or want to go looking for all the things themselves 22:09 cait should we have a quick vote to see if people like the idea? 22:09 bag yup good point drojf 22:10 BobB exactly droif 22:10 bag (voted this morning) 22:10 wizzyrea I like it, but I don't know if it's going to be economically possible for a volunteer to do what you are asking. 22:10 cait i think if we got a bit more done than now... already a win 22:10 cait and maybe it could grow into a team? 22:10 BobB if they do a bit, its more than now :) 22:12 BobB We can put it out to the list, if there is not response, nothing is lost, 22:12 cait ok, quick like/not like vote? 22:12 BobB but if someone comes forward, its a win 22:12 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Announcements <-- david nind did this 22:12 cait +1 like it 22:12 rangi and used to, (still does some) update stuff 22:12 rangi i think thats a good start 22:12 cait yeah that's pretty cool 22:12 bag right thank you for saying that cait and BobB - more is better than nothing and being overwhelmed 22:13 drojf +1 i like it too 22:13 eythian actually even someone sending notices about releases to the places that are likely to publish that sort of thing would do good. 22:14 cait first meeting agreed to have BobB send something to the mailing list 22:14 cait i thik as we heard no 'no' - we can do that? 22:15 bag yuppers 22:15 cait #action BobB will email the mailing list about the new roles 22:15 BobB ok 22:15 cait #topic KohaCon15 22:15 cait gbengaadara: still around? :) 22:15 gbengaadara yup 22:16 gbengaadara #info kohacon15 will be between 19th - 25th October 2015 22:16 bag heya gbengaadara 22:16 gbengaadara hi bag 22:16 gbengaadara #info Conference 19th - 21st, Hackfest 23rd - 25th 22:17 gbengaadara Done some update to http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/ after the first meeting 22:17 gbengaadara Attempting to edit the wiki pages 22:17 rangi excellent 22:17 gbengaadara but still finding my feet 22:18 * BobB has to leave now, apologies 22:18 barton BobB++ 22:18 cait BobB++ 22:18 barton nice explanations earlier. 22:18 bag later BobB 22:18 bag good work gbengaadara 22:19 bag adding the airport info like rangi asked is key :) 22:19 rangi yep he has :) 22:19 cait #info http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/ updated now :) 22:19 gbengaadara Should have some info in the kohacon15 page on the wiki in a couple of days too. 22:19 bag anybody have recommendations or comments for gbengaadara 22:20 cait not right now - looks pretty good :) 22:20 cait maybe we should add a short note to the website about KohaCon15 if we haven't yet? 22:20 gbengaadara will keep info coming and updated. 22:21 drojf website is looking good, thanks gbengaadara 22:21 gbengaadara cait: that will be great 22:21 cait wizzyrea: coudl we add a link to the other site for now? 22:22 wizzyrea Sure 22:22 cait #action adding a note/link to the kc website about kohacon15 22:22 gbengaadara thats all info for now on kohacon15 22:23 cait thx gbengaadara 22:23 rangi thanks gbengaadara 22:23 cait #topic Koha on FLOSS weekly 22:23 magnuse just an idea from me, that i wanted to put out there :-) 22:23 * magnuse is not volunteering 22:23 cait aaah there you are :) 22:24 cait it fits into the communication manager idea... 22:24 drojf i watched the evergreen episode earlier today. wouldn't hurt if anyone wants to do it 22:25 cait i think the hard bit is finding the volunteer 22:25 magnuse yup 22:26 cait hm not sur how to get thi smoving for now 22:26 magnuse nah, just consider the idea aired, and move on :-) 22:27 drojf let the communication manager handle it ^^ 22:27 cait ok 22:27 cait we had no actions form last meeting/they got all done 22:27 cait so jumping over that 22:28 cait #topic Set time and date of next general IRC meeting 22:28 cait we have a suggestion for 17th from the first meeting 22:28 magnuse good night or other time of the day, #koha! 22:28 thd I suggest an earlier time 22:28 dcook Mmm, I thought I'd missed this meeting 22:29 wizzyrea gbengaadara: http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/ 22:29 thd The first meeting time a UTC 5 is a poor time for Europe. 22:29 cait for europe a bit earlier would get more attendance 22:29 cait i think 22:29 cait well it's problem, if we don't do much earlier, we will still be outside of work time - so not sure 22:29 gbengaadara wizzyrea: thanks 22:29 thd This second meeting time should be a good time for Europe if the first one cannot be. 22:30 bag yeah can we shift the timing of things a bit - missed ashimema and paul_p and such 22:30 cait hm what about keep this time - for nz and australia 22:30 thd UTC 18.00 would be somewhat better for Europe but perhaps not enough better. 22:30 cait and move the first by 2 hours 22:30 cait or 3 22:30 cait 9 am is a good time in europe - not usre if uk is -1/+1 22:31 cait 8 and 21? 22:31 wahanui 29 22:31 drojf lol 22:31 thd Is 9 am not a problem with many working people in transit? 22:31 cait normally at 9 most should be at work 22:31 cait i think 22:32 cait drojf - what do you think? 22:32 cait or 9 and 21? 22:32 wahanui 30 22:32 cait wahanui botsnack cookie 22:32 wahanui thanks cait :) 22:33 cait any opinions? 22:33 cait gbengaadara: what time was better for you? 22:33 gbengaadara 9 is ok 22:34 cait i am bad with timezones, so someone needs to check if i am making bad suggestions :) 22:34 cait suggestion would then be: 17th december, 9 and 21 utc 22:34 cait ok? 22:34 gbengaadara If I miss one I should be able to make the other 22:34 gbengaadara ok 22:34 drojf got disconnected 22:35 cait can i get some +1 -1? 22:35 cait or is everyone asleep now? :) 22:35 thd BobB: Is that good? 22:35 thd +1 22:35 rangi +1 22:35 cait #agreed december 17th - 9 and 21 utc 22:35 gbengaadara +1 22:35 cait #endmeeting 22:35 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 19 22:35:47 2014 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 22:35 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2.2014-11-19-21.03.html 22:35 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2.2014-11-19-21.03.txt 22:35 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_irc_meeting_19_november_2014__part_2.2014-11-19-21.03.log.html 22:35 drojf i said 9/21 would work for europe, either one or the other. that didn't gegt through it seems ^^ 22:36 bag thd BobB had to step out 22:36 eythian that was a long meeting 22:36 cait a bit - the elections make it long 22:36 bag not too bad 35 minutes - I think this mornings was longer-ish 22:36 cait bag: 1:35 :) 22:36 drojf 95 minutes 22:36 bag doh 22:36 drojf heh 22:37 cait but it's good it felt shorter to you :) 22:37 bag I love this stuff 22:37 bag always seems short when talking koha 22:37 cait bag++ :) 22:38 * eythian wonders if master will build today 22:39 bag hey eythian did you see the comments from tomas on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 22:39 huginn 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues 22:40 eythian I did, will look at it today. 22:40 eythian actually, will do that now while this tries to build 22:42 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/about/ > any objections to that? I already cleared it with tcohen 22:43 bag wizzyrea++ 22:44 wizzyrea May do a news item about it as well. 22:44 rangi cool 22:45 cait i like it 22:45 cait wizzyrea: news_item++ :) 22:46 cait wizzyrea: tiny typo in the ibadan link - missing : 22:46 wizzyrea ah thanks 22:47 * eythian notes that master still fails to build. 22:47 rangi theres a bunch of patches that need sign off 22:47 rangi that fix the db dependencies 22:47 wizzyrea heh, no, there was an extra http: on there. 22:48 cait ah, browser made something weird of it then :) 22:51 * eythian thinks git-bz needs a thing that says "apply the patch on this bug, and the patches on all the ones it depends on." 22:52 dcook ^ 22:52 cait eythian: you could make it do that... 22:52 eythian I don't really know python well, but also don't have time 22:52 cait and while yo uare on it... can you make it work with a non ascii character in the commit message and doing git bz attach -e? 22:52 cait that would save me a ton of time 22:53 eythian ha ha python is stupid 22:53 eythian actually, an easier thing would be to allow a list of bugs to be passed. Even that doesn't work. 22:56 eythian oh, I had an old version of master. 22:57 dcook Keep meaning to take a look at ol' python 23:03 wajasu ethian: i was going to get my docker kohapatch have a way to give a list of patches, maybe query the depends on, and create a branch with them applied upon instance being run 23:03 wajasu when i signoff and code needs a tweak to pass QA code format rules, can I amend a signoff patch to tweak it, then signoff the tweak, to prevent QA fail? 23:16 wizzyrea @marc 008 23:16 huginn wizzyrea: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. [] 23:21 eythian oh hey, tests passed 23:21 eythian wtf 23:22 eythian then why did the build fail 23:22 eythian oh, dependency issues 23:22 dcook "...potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes" 23:22 dcook lols 23:23 eythian no, typo in debian/control 23:23 eythian ohh 23:23 eythian no 23:25 dcook http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfLcC1o85bo 23:26 eythian no, the opposite. 23:26 eythian the dependecies have been broken. 23:26 eythian (easy enough to fix though I expect) 23:27 dcook I don't have any more videos or images to express "I hope so" 23:28 eythian well, KMFDM just came on. That's a good start. 23:29 dcook I totally haven't listened to them in ages.. 23:29 eythian neither 23:29 dcook Mogwai just came on, which... I listen to them probably every other day, so that's less remarkable 23:30 eythian I think this afternoon might have to be a 90's industrial afternoon. It's got that kind of feel to it. 23:30 eythian but first, curry time while debian/control regenerates. 23:30 dcook Mmm curry 23:30 dcook Alas, it's only morning 23:31 * drojf listens to wellington death metal :D 23:33 drojf or maybe that isn't true and it's auckland