Time Nick Message 00:00 dcook I think another thing to keep in mind with that one is the manual and training I suppose. 00:00 * dcook goes back to his XSLTs 00:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13122 - Patron holds table no longer display date item went in transit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3d1e527e7cf23c20db8ed35c8de678d8f8a9d92> / Bug 13256 - Typographical error on item search template <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=433d9d3d9f6ef429f95f39dbe5811a04fa441f82> / Bug 13233 - Patron search by birth date tooltip broken <http://git.koha-commun 00:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13254 - Delete record don't wait for confirmation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=866017e1523ec430d4ec37fc92a02edb86c106e5> / Bug 10878: Correct Display856uAsImage pref description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=474735017379277b5f613b43686049ff955e152f> / Bug 13258 - Clicking the "show checkouts" button should return focus to the barcode... <http://git.k 00:31 BobB hi 00:31 wahanui what's up, BobB 00:33 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13236 - Regression: Table of checkouts no longer preselects overdue items for... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=48db11d68b7f83588903d7c9621a144ca3be8d3a> / Bug 13196 - "Always show checkouts immediately" cookie should persist across sessions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fdc60b0d1064d279053d8953c69c5cadb6b07266> / Bug 13168 - "Today's checkouts" sort i 00:33 tcohen wizzyrea: core functionalities might better belong to ADmin, right? 00:33 wizzyrea yep 00:33 wizzyrea imo 00:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12992: Fund planning should display actual values <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b584f8f71ed2206856b0b1bf42d2972f78fcc4a> / Bug 13195 - Regression: Circulation checkouts table no longer shows item type description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=13fda8378337388e0bf353eacfb26ac3d3511dc8> 00:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #233: UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/233/ 00:57 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 13227: Display856uAsImage displays images in OPAC in original size 00:57 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13233 - Patron search by birth date tooltip broken 00:57 jenkins_koha * Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos: Bug 13256 - Typographical error on item search template 00:57 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13122 - Patron holds table no longer display date item went in transit 00:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13227 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Display856uAsImage displays images in OPAC in original size 00:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13233 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Patron search by birth date tooltip broken 00:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13256 trivial, P5 - low, ---, hector.hecaxmmx, Pushed to Master , Typographical error on item search template 00:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13122 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Patron holds table no longer display date item went in transit 01:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #234: NOW UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/234/ 01:40 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12778 - Regression: Item lost status doesn't show in list of checkouts 01:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13258 - Clicking the "show checkouts" button should return focus to the barcode field 01:40 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 10878: Correct Display856uAsImage pref description 01:40 jenkins_koha * Rafal Kopaczka: Bug 13254 - Delete record don't wait for confirmation 01:40 jenkins_koha * Olli-Antti Kivilahti: Bug 13168 - "Today's checkouts" sort improperly because issuedate lacks seconds. 01:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12778 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Regression: Item lost status doesn't show in list of checkouts 01:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13196 - "Always show checkouts immediately" cookie should persist across sessions 01:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13236 - Regression: Table of checkouts no longer preselects overdue items for rewewal 01:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13258 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Clicking the "show checkouts" button should return focus to the barcode field 01:40 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13195 - Regression: Circulation checkouts table no longer shows item type description 01:40 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12992: Fund planning should display actual values 01:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10878 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Display856uAsImage works in Results pages, can remove caveat text from system preference. 01:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13254 major, P3, ---, rkopaczka, Pushed to Master , Delete record don't wait for confirmation 01:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13168 normal, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Master , "Today's checkouts" sort improperly because issuedate lacks seconds. 01:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13196 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , "Always show checkouts immediately" cookie should persist across sessions 01:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13236 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Regression: Table of checkouts no longer preselects overdue items for rewewal 01:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13195 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Regression: Circulation checkouts table no longer shows item type description 01:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12992 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Fund planning does not display actual values 02:00 larryb hello #koha 02:03 dcook hey larry 02:03 larryb anyone want to help me with an ubunutu problem? 02:05 larryb I'm testing out koha package install on 14.04, and it won't install. It basically boils down this dependency issue: 02:05 larryb libnet-z3950-zoom-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 but it is not installable 02:05 larryb anyone found a good way around that? 02:05 eythian that shouldn't happen 02:05 larryb it does. it did 02:06 eythian is this a fresh install? 02:06 eythian what repo? 02:06 wahanui somebody said repo was sitting waiting :) 02:06 larryb yep 02:06 rangi do you have the indexdata repos or something 02:06 larryb I added the repos for indexdata and k-c 02:06 eythian yeah 02:06 eythian don't do that 02:06 rangi yeah 02:06 eythian that's not in the instructions :) 02:06 larryb leave out indexdata? 02:06 eythian (because it's not necessary) 02:06 rangi yes 02:06 eythian libnet-z3950-zoom-perl is in Ubuntu's repo 02:07 larryb but I'm guessing here it's trying to pull from the indexdata one? 02:07 eythian probably a newer version 02:07 eythian however, Ubuntu doesn't do the whole perlapi stuff 02:08 eythian (I think) 02:08 larryb guess I'm still operating on three-year old instructions. I thought we still needed the indexdata repos. 02:08 eythian at the least, it doesn't have 5.10 02:08 eythian nope 02:08 eythian you should use the current instructions, they worked for me a couple of days ago 02:08 larryb what about on debian wheezy? same thing? 02:08 eythian I think you needed them in whatever came before squeeze, but that was a while ago now 02:09 eythian same thing, the current instructions work 02:09 larryb well, when I started with Koha, we were on Lenny. Guess old habits die hard. 02:09 eythian lenny, that was it 02:09 eythian that's when you last needed them :) 02:10 larryb HA! 02:11 larryb bingo! 02:11 larryb thank you gents 02:14 larryb Anybody running koha on wheezy yet? 02:15 eythian we have a site on it 02:15 eythian I think it's just our demo stuff 02:15 eythian our newer stuff is tending to be 14.04 02:15 larryb how's that doing for you? any issues? 02:15 eythian however I am forming a plan to upgrade some of our stuff over xmas/ny 02:16 eythian no issues 02:17 larryb I haven't seen a date yet, but I'm expecting squeeze repos to go away in 2015 02:17 tcohen larryb: we've been using Ubuntu 12.04 for a while and are now moving to 14.04 02:18 tcohen they seem to share lots of libs 02:18 eythian larryb: I'd like to get builds for squeeze removed some time soonish (not immediately though.) I know that the ES stuff won't work on it. 02:19 larryb so that is that the way we're going, from debian to ubuntu? 02:20 tcohen nah 02:20 tcohen just our institution 02:20 eythian oh, no. 02:20 larryb cool. I like debian 02:20 eythian it's just squeeze is going EOL, jessie is nearly out, I don't want to maintain across three debian releases. 02:21 larryb yeah, that's kind what I'm thinking about, when to start moving to wheezy. 02:22 eythian Probably now if you're not doing anything else 02:22 larryb well, I just finished upgrading all our sites to 3.16 . . . sure, why not 02:23 eythian I haven't done it on real production, but the systems I have done it on haven't had any issues 02:25 larryb well, as you say, squeeze is going to be EOL soon, so it's probably time we found out if there are issues with wheezy in production 02:28 larryb well, it's almost dinner time here, and my ubuntu install finished, so thanks again. 02:28 larryb 'night all 02:28 tcohen night! 02:33 eythian rangi: can kamal.bhagtani99@gmail.com be set to nomail? I get a bounce from 2003 to every message I send to the koha list. 02:34 rangi interesting i dont get that, but ill nomail it 02:34 rangi and that georgew 02:34 rangi who consistently sends away from my desk mails 02:34 eythian ah yeah 02:34 eythian well, I've just had two bounces so far, so maybe it just started 02:34 rangi hmm nope 02:35 rangi they arent even on the list 02:35 eythian odd 02:35 rangi probably via gmane or something 02:35 eythian sunita.pujar@dsims.org.in 02:35 eythian that's the X-Original-To 02:35 rangi they are 02:35 rangi no mailed now 02:35 eythian oh, it's a bounce from something I sent on the 13th 02:36 eythian their system is screwed in multiple ways I think 02:36 eythian ah, gmail was retrying 02:36 eythian and gave up 02:41 tcohen eythian: you don't run t/Circulation on building, right? 02:41 rangi everything in t/ is run 02:41 eythian I think everything in t/ runs 02:41 rangi just not in directories under that 02:42 rangi its what is run when you do make test 02:42 rangi or prove without -r 02:43 tcohen t/Circulation/AgeRestrictionMarkers.t seems to depend on the db 02:43 rangi that wont 02:43 rangi cos its a directory 02:43 * tcohen nods 02:43 rangi should still be in the db_dependent tho, just to make it clear it depends on a db 02:44 tcohen I think they pretended to make it a mocked one 02:45 jcamins rangi: do you know of anyone who is using RDA with Koha in a way that makes it seem like something different from using AACR2 with Koha? 02:46 rangi nope 02:46 rangi i dont know anyone who is using RDA in that way at all tbh 02:46 rangi ie not in any way that the users would notice 02:46 jcamins rangi: neither do I, but a friend thought that if anyone was doing something worthwhile with RDA, they'd probably be using Koha. 02:47 rangi its a reasonable theory 02:47 rangi but so far i think RDA is by the cataloguers and for the cataloguers 02:47 rangi and no one else cares 02:47 rangi if i could think of something to do with it, id probably have a crack :) 02:48 rangi but the stumbling block is most people are going to have a mixed catalogue .. for the foreseeable future 02:48 jcamins I think there can be no question about RDA being by the cataloguers for the cataloguers... except with less actual cataloguer involvement. 02:48 rangi which is going to make doing anything RDA specific kinda hard 02:50 rangi we need cascading catalogue rules 02:51 dcook cascading catalogue rules? 02:51 rangi to cope with the fact that you have mixed AARC2 and RDA records 02:52 rangi at which point i file it in the "this is a really bad idea" basket 02:52 rangi and move on 02:56 tcohen damn 02:57 tcohen t/Circulation/AgeRestrictionMarkers.t fails "yesterday" =D 02:57 jcamins tcohen: oh, that pitcher! 02:58 jcamins ... this is one of those jokes that isn't funny to anyone but me, isn't it? 02:58 dcook I think I recall that joke now that I think about it 02:58 tcohen damn 02:58 tcohen t/Circulation/AgeRestrictionMarkers.t fails "yesterday" =D 03:00 jcamins dcook: if you had to think about it, the answer to my question is "yes, you're the only one who hears the word 'yesterday' and thinks of Abbot and Costello." 03:00 dcook Yes, that. 03:01 dcook :) 03:03 dcook Also wondering why XSLT_Handler.t is in t/db_dependent... 03:03 dcook When it doesn't look like it touches the DB at all 03:03 tcohen because it needs context 03:03 tcohen *probably 03:04 dcook If it does, it must be buried deep in its dependencies.. 03:04 dcook Nope, I don't see it needing context 03:04 tcohen it doesn't 03:05 tcohen turn your mysql off 03:05 dcook O_o 03:11 tcohen to test if it depends on the db, of course 03:12 dcook I suppose that's one option. Not an option on this server, but oh well. Doesn't really matter where it is. I shall add a new test to it anyway. 05:02 dcook eythian: still around? 05:02 eythian yarp 05:03 dcook Question for you regarding verbosity, cronjobs, and modules 05:03 eythian was supposed to be at training, but the rain got worse and I didn't feel up to biking 05:03 dcook Boo rain 05:03 dcook You suggested using a verbose flag to turn on output for the cronjob 05:03 dcook I added that as it seemed like a good idea, but to get it to do anything I have to pass it to my module 05:03 dcook Which seems sub-optimal :/ 05:04 eythian hmm 05:04 eythian maybe look into something that lets you see loglevels 05:04 eythian *set 05:04 eythian papa: you have dealt with this recently, you may have more ideas 05:04 dcook Well, I was thinking more along the lines of what gets printed where 05:04 dcook and by what 05:05 eythian these are very vague questions, you know. 05:05 dcook I'm happy to be more specific :) 05:05 dcook You suggested moving the DBIC stuff into the module, so I did that 05:06 dcook So I select X number of records 05:06 dcook If I want to print that out (when my verbose flag is on), I'm currently printing that in the module 05:06 dcook But I'm thinking it might make more sense to make a sub like "gather_records", use that in the cronjob, print the number if the verbose flag is active, and then act on the data returned by "gather_records" using another object method 05:07 eythian yeah, so two ways of doing that. Passing "hey, print stuff" into the module (which I think is what I suggested) and the normal way, which I apparently forgot. Which is to use a logging system. 05:07 dcook The downside of that is that I have about 5 different subs in my cronjob when I'm only doing 1 thing 05:07 dcook I'm not sure I follow 05:07 dcook Well, maybe.. 05:08 dcook In this case, logging it would be most useful 05:08 eythian many small subs isn't the end of the world 05:08 eythian if you have a logging framework thing, then you can say "Loglevel(DEBUG)" and everything will get logged, etc. 05:08 dcook Well, there are going to be many small subs. It's just whether they're called by a master sub in the module or individually in the cronjob 05:08 eythian oh. Up to you. 05:10 dcook Hmm, I suppose neither way seems particularly perfect 05:11 eythian on the surface, either seems fine 05:11 dcook I would think that you'd want to avoid printing stuff in the module as it should just be behind the scenes logic, yeah? 05:11 eythian mostly, yeah 05:11 eythian it depends 05:12 eythian if you're outputting debug stuff, then anywhere is fine 05:12 eythian if this is output to be informative about someting happening for a regular human, then probably at a higher level 05:12 dcook Hmm, that's what I was starting to think as well 05:12 dcook I figure using warnings in the sub is useful for debugging 05:12 eythian so it has appropriate semantic info, or can make summaries, or whatever 05:12 dcook And then informative info should be done in the cronjob 05:13 dcook Or logged from the cronjob 05:14 eythian yeah, that sounds sensible 05:14 dcook Cool :) 05:23 dcook Yeah, I think this makes more sense 05:26 dcook Actually, one more question, eythian :) 05:26 dcook Which is more preferable? Using a hash or a hashref for method parameters? 05:26 dcook It seems like many methods in the wild accept hashes 05:26 eythian personally, I like hash, but Class::Accessor likes hashref, so I tend to go with that for consistency. 05:27 dcook Hmm, I thought I'd noticed a fair number of hashrefs in Koha 05:27 dcook Coolbeans 06:49 Oak kia ora #koha 06:49 Oak magnuse 06:50 Oak hello cait ! 07:03 cait hi Oak - sorry, not really here :) 07:03 Oak okay. won't tell anyone. i did not see you. 07:03 Oak cait? cait who? 07:04 cait heh 07:04 Oak no worries. 07:17 Oak Bonjour monsieur paul_p 07:36 * magnuse waves 07:38 magnuse dcook: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL16:_Hashrefs_should_be_used_as_arguments 07:42 cait thx magnuse :) 07:42 cait i was thinking about that one earlier 07:42 reiveune hello 07:43 magnuse eythian too: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL16:_Hashrefs_should_be_used_as_arguments :-) 07:44 cait bbiab 07:44 magnuse @wunder boo 07:44 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:20 AM CET on November 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 07:54 alex_a Bonjour 07:54 wahanui privet, alex_a 07:56 marcelr hi #koha 08:12 Oak Bonjour monsieur alex_a 08:20 gaetan_B hello 08:20 wahanui hey, gaetan_B 08:20 cait hi Oak, gaetan_B and wahanui :) 08:23 cait morning akafred 08:24 akafred good morning, cait :-) 08:24 marcelr hi cait Oak gaetan_B and akafred 08:26 cait morning mar 08:26 cait morning marcelr 08:26 cait :) 08:57 simabelew I have come seeking assistance on running koha 08:58 simabelew any one for help? 08:59 ashimema morning #koha 09:00 cait moring ashimema 09:01 cait simabelew: just ask your question - people will answer if they can haelp 09:01 cait help... 09:02 magnuse hiya ashimema 09:14 simabelew I was running koha on debian linux but When I upgrade debian 6 squeeze to debian 7 wheezy, it has also upgraded mysql 5.1 to mysql 5.5. After that I was not able to access my database. The configuration has been changed I think but I dodnot where the change has taken place. I cannot my library system now. any help please? 09:14 nlegrand hiya #koha 09:33 cait simabelew: we'd need an error message or something to help you 09:33 cait i haven't heard of probles after updating so far 09:34 cait hi nlegrand :) 09:36 nlegrand hey cait o/ :) 09:44 lawalebalty Please, I need help on koha ....I have installed it but the web installation is not coming up 09:44 lawalebalty when I did localhost:80 it was apache2 index page that was coimng up 09:45 cait you need to access the staff interface to run the web installer - 80 would usually be the end user catalog (OPAC) 09:45 cait try 8080 for a start 09:51 lawalebalty okie 09:52 lawalebalty this is what came up when I tried localhost:8080 Index of / [ICO] Name Last modified Size Description [DIR] html/ 2014-11-17 10:42 - Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 8080 09:53 drojf hi #koha 09:53 cait hi drojf 09:53 drojf hi cait :) 09:57 lawalebalty hi cait 10:00 cait lawalebalty: i am not sure, it hink something is wrong with your apache configuration 10:02 lawalebalty Can you please help me out?.. we can do team viewer please 10:04 cait no sorry, i am at work 10:05 drojf lawalebalty: have you disabled the default apache website? 10:05 drojf (do you get a page that says "it works"?) 10:07 lawalebalty @drojf, yes i got a page that says it works 10:07 huginn lawalebalty: I suck 10:08 drojf lawalebalty: you have to disable this default website. you could try "sudo a2dissite default" 10:08 lawalebalty @drojf, okay..I will run the command now...Thanks 10:08 huginn lawalebalty: downloading the Perl source 10:10 lawalebalty drojf: ERROR: Site default does not exist! 10:12 drojf lawalebalty: what instructions did you use to install koha? 10:12 magnuse it might be called something like 000-default 10:13 magnuse do "ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/" to check 10:13 lawalebalty someone sent document to me which I followed....I can forward it to you if you drop me ur email or you can just hi me: lawalebalty@gmail.com 10:14 lawalebalty magnuse: I got this when I ran the command you sent ; 000-default.conf library.conf 10:18 drojf lawalebalty: there are instructions in the official wiki. if you are using debian have a look here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 10:20 lawalebalty drojf: I have installed ubuntu 14.04 10:20 drojf lawalebalty: it's for ubuntu too, there are some extra notes about 14.04 on the bottom of the page 10:26 lawalebalty drojf: Thanks 10:26 magnuse lawalebalty: you'll have to do "sudo a2dissite 000-default" then 10:28 drojf magnuse is right of course, sorry 10:47 simabelew Can't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 102. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 102. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/eiarkoha/lib/C4/Output.pm line 31. BEGIN fai 10:47 simabelew That is the error message. 10:48 simabelew please help 10:48 nlegrand sudo apt-get install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl 10:55 nlegrand I think last time I wanted to install all perl deps with a dev install I did something silly like this : sudo apt-get install $(./koha_perl_deps.pl -a|perl -ne 'if (/(?:No|Yes)/) { s/(^.*?)\s.*/lib\L$1-perl/; s/::/-/g; print }' |tr '\n' ' ') 10:56 nlegrand :) well, some of them aren't in debian 11:07 simabelew The following packages have unmet dependencies: libnet-z3950-zoom-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 Unable to correct problems, you have held proken packages 11:08 simabelew that is the error when I try to install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl 11:13 nlegrand simabelew: so it's an APT problem :) you may have some hints on the web (eg http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/121149/fix-held-broken-packages-on-debian or http://askubuntu.com/questions/223237/unable-to-correct-problems-you-have-held-broken-packages) 11:13 nlegrand simabelew: by the way, if it's a new install, I suggest you to run it on wheezy (current stable) instead of squeeze (old stable) 11:19 simabelew nlegrand: it is not a new install. I have been it for some time. It was running on Debian 6 squeez. But when I run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, it has upgraded it to Debian. But then my koha system which was running fine stopped working. what went wrong, i do not know. 11:21 nlegrand simabelew: you mean it's a Wheezy now ? 11:22 simabelew yes it is. but koha is not running. 11:25 nlegrand It looks like something went wrong with your Debian upgrade, you'll need to fix it first. libnet-z3950-zoom-perl depends on perlapi-5.14.2, which is a virtual package. 11:38 * ashimema is back 11:42 tcohen morning! 12:02 ashimema morning tcohen 12:03 * ashimema is just about getting his head around oauth and Bearer Tokens now.. and is tempted to add oauth to koha if and when a moment arrises.. 12:05 cait ashimema: funny, my coworker asked me about oauth today 12:05 cait what are your plans for it? 12:05 ashimema at the minute.. to get it working in the app i'm developing here.. 12:06 ashimema once i've got that fully working I 'might' think koha.. 12:06 ashimema but it kinda depends on whether there much interest in it.. and whether I'll ever get funding to do it ;) 12:06 ashimema though I'd be happy to test somthing if your co-worker implements it ;) 12:07 ashimema What is he/she wanting to achieve? 12:08 ashimema allot of stuff can be acheived using a shibboleth gateway (simplesamlphp for instance can convert oauth claims into shibboleth sessions ;), so by proxy we already support oauth if your happy using such a mash up ) 12:08 ashimema That would be what we did when we tested shib in fact... you logged in with google credentials.. they came into fiede via oauth 12:11 cait he was looking for a standard way to authenticate other library services 12:11 cait using Koha as the identity provider(?) 12:12 cait so the other side of what we have with shib now 12:15 ashimema interseting.. 12:15 ashimema tell him to take a look at simplesamlphp.. 12:16 ashimema it's a reasonably complete authentication (SSO) solution.. including the ability to be an 'authentication bridge' or 'Identity Provider' 12:17 ashimema I'm actually digging into the OAuth as provider for my application at the minute and it's not especially straight forward it seems.. 12:17 ashimema it's much easir to consume the tokens than to provide them to the world.. 12:18 * ashimema is working on the multiple issuer paradox at this precise moment ;) 12:22 tcohen morning! 12:24 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:24 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 26.6°C (9:20 AM ART on November 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 12:51 marcelr hi tcohen 12:51 tcohen hi marcelr 12:51 tcohen thought i was alone here :-P 12:52 marcelr yes it is quiet 12:56 oleonard Hi #koha 13:02 tcohen hi oleonard 13:02 magnuse @wunder boo 13:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (1:50 PM CET on November 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 13:03 tcohen magnuse: can u take a look at bug 12750? 13:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-create should be able to configure SRU server for the created instance 13:05 cait hi paul_p 13:06 nlegrand hey paul_p :) 13:07 tcohen hi paul_p 13:08 paul_p (meeting in ebaf/jerusalem all the week, sorry, i'm not really here) 13:08 magnuse hei paul_p 13:08 magnuse and hi nlegrand 13:08 cait you sure get around this year :) 13:09 nlegrand hey magnuse ! 13:09 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 13:09 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 13:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #235: FIXED in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/235/ 13:12 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 13:12 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 13:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U14 build #224: FIXED in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U14/224/ 13:13 cait paul_p: I wrote you an email about the hackfest earlier - would be gread if you could give a quick answer 13:14 paul_p can it wait for tomorrow morning ? 13:14 paul_p (seen it, I only don't have impossible dates in mind. there are some/few) 13:15 cait paul_p: tomorrow morning owuld be great 13:15 cait we are trying to find a date for our user meeting and the dates look like they might collide :( 13:25 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 13:25 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 13:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #242: FIXED in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12/242/ 13:27 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 13:27 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 13:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #168: FIXED in 1 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB/168/ 13:34 oleonard This morning I'm back to trying to figure out why some renewals are coming up with a different due date than others 13:34 oleonard anyone else seen anything like that? 13:37 cait oleonard: i have a library reporting something like that 13:37 cait they think it might be refreshing the page... but I doubt it 13:38 cait but they said all checkuts have one due date... and one has another 13:38 oleonard I've only heard reports of it in 3.16.x and I was able to reproduce in master 13:38 cait ths is a 3.12 one :( 13:50 * oleonard would like to upload a .koc to test with but it isn't working 13:51 oleonard enqueue_koc.pl: Use of uninitialized value $command in hash element at offline_circ/enqueue_koc.pl line 176 13:51 oleonard enqueue_koc.pl: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at offline_circ/enqueue_koc.pl line 147 13:53 Joubu Is there a financial expert arround? 13:53 Joubu The question is: how should be calculated the tax value? 13:54 Joubu round(quantity * ecost * tax rate) or quantity * round(ecost) * tax rate? 13:54 Joubu Maybe it depends on the country... 13:57 marcelr could be 13:59 Joubu marcelr: do you know how it is in Netherlands? 14:00 marcelr tax is applied at the end 14:00 oleonard Built-in offline circulation doesn't respect the date due selected in the "specify due date" field. 14:01 marcelr so say round( round(units * amount) * tax ) 14:05 cait Joubu: no idea :( 14:05 cait but if the code is all nicely centralized... :P 14:05 cait we canmake it a pref! 14:05 cait *hides* 14:05 cait only joking this time i would set on one for now 14:05 marcelr heh only one pref? 14:06 cait i am sure the list would grow :) 14:06 marcelr will there be a prize for the one adding syspref no. 1000 ? 14:06 cait we could make people enter their equations themselves 14:07 Joubu cait: good idea! :p 14:08 Joubu marcelr: ok, it seems to be the same as in France 14:08 * Joubu is going to edit the wiki.... 14:11 oleonard Okay so apparently the built-in offline circulation system NEVER respected the due date chosen at the time of checkout 14:14 nengard oleonard i had this css that was making matched records on the staged marc record management tool show in yellow - is there a way to do this with the new table? I can't seem to find a way 14:14 nengard i tried a jquery / css combo 14:14 oleonard What did you use before? 14:14 oleonard ...and have you tried sorting on that column? That's a good way to find the matches. 14:15 nengard eek - window closed - one sec will get it for you 14:16 nengard oleonard i had this 14:16 nengard #tools_manage-marc-import td.highlight { background-color: yellow; } 14:16 nengard i'll suggest to the library that they use the sorter 14:26 nengard hey #koha I'm wondering did renewing an item ever clear the lost status on that item? I don't think it did - but want to check before I report a bug/enh 14:28 oleonard nengard: Do you think it should or shouldn't? 14:31 oleonard If the item is long overdue (lost) I would say it should--if you renew it it's not overdue anymore! 14:31 oleonard ...but it doesn't in master. 14:35 oleonard ...and didn't in 3.14.x. 14:37 nengard i don't know really if it should or shouldn't 14:37 nengard when you check in an item that was lost it makes it not lost 14:37 nengard so i think renewing should be the same ... right? 14:39 oleonard I would consider it a bug, but it's a long-standing behavior so I wonder what others think. 14:45 oleonard In my library the only time someone would have something checked out which was lost would be long overdue (lost), and normally those items would not be eligible for renewal 14:45 oleonard So maybe it's just never come up for us. 15:15 tcohen @seen talljoy 15:15 huginn tcohen: talljoy was last seen in #koha 4 days, 16 hours, 26 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <talljoy> lot of paperwork, eh? 15:26 tcohen Joubu: have a minute 15:26 tcohen ? 15:27 Joubu tcohen: brain in the mist, but around 16:00 oleonard Bug 13265 16:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13265 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Still too many search cursor cookies 16:00 oleonard What are the search cookies for? What do they do? 16:01 bag I am always searching for cookies :P 16:02 Joubu bag: Aren't they just next to your keyboard? ;) 16:02 gaetan_B bye! 16:03 khall oleonard: it's a system to store your previous searches 16:04 oleonard But not the search history system, correct? 16:05 khall oleonard: I don't think so, but I'm not entirely sure. The only experience I've had with it is fixing this bug. I'm not even sure where you go to see the previous searches. 16:07 oleonard How can we be sure we're fixing the bug correctly if we don't even know what the cookies are for? 16:08 khall based on bug 11639 16:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11639 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Untranslatable strings in 007 builder 16:09 khall It put the limit to 10 cookies, which is just still too many for some sites 16:09 oleonard Bug 11369 16:09 wahanui rumour has it Bug 11369 is hitting us hard after upgrading to 3.14 16:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11369 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Stable , Too many search cursor cookies overflow HTTP-header size, when making multiple searches in the staff client. 16:11 oleonard jcamins: I think the issue could use your input 16:12 khall oleonard: the cookies are used for the previous/next links on the record details after you search. The cookies are used to remember what the search actually was if I understand correctly. So the data is stored in a cookie, rather than being coded into the previous/next links. 16:13 khall So, if you have multiple search tabs open using the system, each one needs a cookie, or your next button would give you the next record from the last search, instead of the search you are actually on. 16:13 khall at least, that's my understanding. 16:14 jcamins oleonard: why does it need my input? 16:14 jcamins Looks like a fix was submitted. 16:14 khall afk, brb 16:14 jcamins And pushed. 16:14 oleonard Bug 13265 16:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13265 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Still too many search cursor cookies 16:14 gerundio hi 16:15 gerundio I'm getting a strange behaviour on some links on OPAC 16:15 gerundio for instance, https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=47904&query_desc=kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20%22conjugar%20verbos%22 16:15 jcamins That seems like a reasonable solution. 16:16 drojf hi #koha 16:16 gerundio if I click on the links for Subject(s) I get a JS error on the browser developer console: "Uncaught ReferenceError: showSubjects is not defined" 16:17 gerundio there's an onclick property attached to the link: onclick="showSubjects(this, 1, 1); return false;" 16:17 gerundio does anybody know where should that showSubjects JS function be defined? 16:25 oleonard gerundio: It should be defined right on that page, I'm not sure why it's not 16:25 gerundio I'm currently looking at the template source code 16:25 gerundio the function only gets defined [% IF OPACPopupAuthorsSearch %] 16:26 gerundio the onclick is set despite that condition 16:27 gerundio I've activated the OPACPopupAuthorsSearch setting in the OPAC preferences 16:28 gerundio and now a bootstrap modal pops up showing some options to search for 16:32 * oleonard always forgets that feature isn't available when using the xslt view 16:40 tcohen oleonard: can u take a look at the last patch for bug 9043? I'm in need for it, and want another pair of eyes 16:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9043 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Adding system preferences to control the visibility of the content on the Advanced Search page 16:41 oleonard Sure tcohen 16:41 tcohen if it's ok, sign it off 16:41 oleonard gerundio: I confirm the problem you describe. I'm curious: Is that subject search feature what you want? 16:41 oleonard gerundio: Or do you want the link to jump directly to a subject search? 16:42 oleonard gerundio: For example: http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=201776 16:42 gerundio oleonard, I just deal with the technical point of view of Koha, not the intended features 16:43 gerundio my question here originated from a complaint from our librarians who just said something like "all almost links from OPAC don't work" :) 16:43 oleonard gerundio: I hope that the people in charge of configuring the features understand what the options are 16:43 gerundio most of the time I think they don't 16:44 oleonard gerundio: I wouldn't expect someone to have turned off the xslt view in the OPAC unless they wanted a specific feature which wasn't available with xslt 16:44 gerundio I think that they want to jump directly into the search results for each link 16:47 oleonard gerundio: So it is important to find out why the OPAC xslt view is turned off 16:47 oleonard gerundio: If there's no reason for it, you can turn it on and turn off OPACPopupAuthorsSearch 16:53 reiveune bye 16:56 gerundio oleonard, thanks for the heads up on that 16:56 oleonard Thanks for helping diagnose the bug. I'll file a report for that if you haven't already. 16:56 gerundio go ahead, I haven't yet 17:04 oleonard tcohen: Does 9043 apply cleanly for you? 17:04 tcohen oleonard: it is just the latest patch 17:04 tcohen and it applies cleanly, yes 17:05 oleonard Oh are all the other patches pushed? I didn't realize. 17:06 tcohen yeap 17:23 tcohen oleonard: ? 17:25 oleonard ? 17:26 tcohen have you manged to test it? 17:26 tcohen :-D 17:26 * tcohen is anxious :-P 17:28 oleonard Working on it tcohen 17:36 oleonard I find it interesting that libraries can now configure the advanced search "more options" view to have fewer options 17:41 oleonard Looks good to me tcohen 17:46 tcohen oleonard: indeed! 17:46 tcohen I love the dropdown list too ;) 18:01 tcohen cait: 18:01 tcohen was waiting for you 18:01 cait ohoh 18:26 tcohen bywater 18:55 oleonard khall? 18:55 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;) 18:56 khall wait, what did I just miss? ; ) 18:57 oleonard khall: Bug 12971 needs a GPL license fix 18:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12971 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Regression: Patron print summary doesn't show checkouts 18:57 khall thanks for the heads up! 19:01 nengard okay, why the heck isn't this working? 19:01 nengard ("#memberentry_altaddress label[for='altcontactfirstname']").html("Organization"); 19:01 nengard oleonard ^^ 19:01 nengard has to be something small i'm missing 19:01 nengard this is simple stuff 19:09 oleonard nengard: Did you use Firebug to inspect the elements and confirm the attributes you're targeting? 19:10 nengard yup 19:10 nengard hence my confusion 19:11 nengard thought maybe i was missing a quote 19:11 nengard http://screencast.com/t/IcmtpoUmpItI 19:12 oleonard I don't know what to tell you nengard, it works for me. 19:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: DBRev 3.17.00.057 (Koha 3.18 beta) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cd7c24c11d46bed02601b0e63e62ade2995df8d> / Bug 9043: DBRev 3.17.00.056 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b500b996efca363fac8f908ed54f9647933f939> / Bug 9043: The comma (,) should be kept to separate multi-valuated prefs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dddde5896 19:13 nengard hmmm - okay then maybe a problem in the jquery above it in the pref 19:13 nengard off to check 19:14 nengard oleonard .... i was missing the $ 19:14 nengard which i guess you put in :) 19:14 nengard knew it was something small and silly 19:20 oleonard Ooh I spy a 3.18 beta 19:24 tcohen sneaky oleonard 19:25 ashimema :) 19:26 cait heh .9 19:26 cait :) 19:27 * cait made potato wedges! in the new oven! 19:27 nengard YUM 19:28 cait wohoo tcohen++ 19:31 cait koha++ 19:31 tcohen koha++ 19:33 cait :) 19:34 tcohen @later tell tcohen have a nice evening, try to relax now 19:34 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 20:03 wizzyrea hi 20:04 * cait waves at wizzyrea 20:05 * cait hopes tcohen listens to himself 20:07 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-beta-released/ I can't get this to misbehave 20:11 nengard hey all, i'm trying to find out how a purchase suggestion is linked to a order in the db 20:13 cait hm an ordered suggestion? 20:13 cait maybe by biblionumber 20:14 cait nengard: suggestions has a biblionumber column ,that would be my guess 20:14 cait aqorders - biblio - suggestions 20:15 nengard hmmm 20:15 nengard that seems kind of sloppy 20:16 cait hm makes sense to me 20:16 nengard okay 20:16 cait maybe a bit sloppy :) 20:17 nengard was thinking the suggestionid would be in the aqorders table 20:18 cait i think it should still work ok... at least i fail to find a problem use case right now 20:19 cait hm multiple suggestions for the same record maybe... but that is a problem currently anyway... we are not dealing well with duplicate wishes 20:23 wizzyrea schema definitely says that the link is biblionumber. 20:23 nengard thanks wizzyrea 20:23 nengard and cait 20:25 mveron Good evening / daytime #koha 20:25 cait hi mveron :) showing up for the beta release party? :) 20:25 wizzyrea is there a party!? 20:25 cait well... we could have one? 20:25 mveron Oh, partytime? - Coming from a dinner I had with my brother... 20:26 cait mveron: thx for the tip with the celery 20:26 cait it was really nice 20:27 mveron I like it very much. The same with beetroot... 20:27 cait maybe next time - raw beets? 20:27 mveron Yes. 20:28 mveron And sea salt, the one with big cristals 20:28 cait :) 20:28 wizzyrea I may have to read the scrollback 20:29 cait mveron recommended baking celery in the oven like you do potato wedges 20:29 wizzyrea aha 20:29 cait so i had potato wedges and celery stripes for dinner tonight :) 20:29 cait and a salad 20:29 wizzyrea beetroot would be awesome like that. 20:31 mveron I did it a couple of weeks ago for a James Bond dinner for a friend of ours. The wedges for Gold Finger, sea salt for diamonds are forever, mango cream for the mango song of Swiss Ursula Andress. And russian salade... 20:32 wizzyrea lol 1. fun theme 2. good interpretations 20:32 cait impressive :) 20:32 mveron ...and goulash stroganow... :-) 20:32 wizzyrea haha 20:48 mveron Sometimes 2 pixels can greatly enhance user xerience - 20:48 mveron experience... Bug 12376 20:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12376 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , blinking cursor not clear in larger resolutions 21:09 eythian hi 21:09 wahanui hola, eythian 21:14 cait hi eythian 21:14 eythian hi cait 21:24 nengard anyone around who can help with some jquery? 21:25 eythian wahanui: ask 21:25 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask. 21:27 nengard :) 21:27 nengard I'm trying to hide the suspend column on the opac 21:27 nengard $("#holdst td:contains['Suspend']").hide(); 21:27 nengard $("#holdst th:contains['Suspend']").hide(); 21:27 nengard doesn't work 21:27 nengard ideas? 21:27 wahanui ideas are good :) 21:27 nengard i agree 21:27 cbrannon isn't there a preference for that feature? 21:28 nengard nope 21:28 nengard just can you suspend or not 21:28 cait hm 21:28 cait i think cbrannon might be right 21:28 nengard they want to be able to suspend all but not individual 21:28 cait ah 21:28 nengard :) 21:28 cait ok, tht complicates :) 21:28 nengard yup 21:28 nengard so i want to hide the column if i can 21:28 cbrannon give me a sec... 21:28 * nengard loves having cbrannon help her :) 21:29 * cait loves having cbrannon to help nengard and with qa soon :) 21:29 nengard :) hehe 21:30 cait cbrannon: did you see my pm? 21:30 cbrannon yes. Thank you. I will look at the framework as soon as I find an answer for nengard. :) 21:31 cait ok :) time fo rme to sleep 21:31 cait bye all 21:45 * nengard is worrying at how long this is taking cbrannon ... 21:45 nengard is there maybe no answer 21:45 cbrannon working on it 21:46 cbrannon should be easy enough. Just testing. 21:46 nengard hehe 22:04 cbrannon nengard, not having any luck yet. Still working on it. So far it just breaks the page. 22:05 nengard yuck 22:05 nengard okay - i'll tell them we're trying but it might not be possible 22:17 cbrannon nengard of Vahalla, the magic is $("#holdst th:nth-child(6),#holdst td:nth-child(6)").hide(); 22:17 cbrannon Ack, doesn't translate. I'll e-mail it to you. 22:19 cbrannon nengard, I e-mailed the answer to you. 22:21 nengard cbrannon you're awesome 22:31 mveron good night / daytime #koha 23:00 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "3.18 beta doesn't build" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/290 23:01 eythian @later tell tcohen can't build 3.18 beta: http://paste.koha-community.org/290 23:01 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 23:36 dcook Anyone around who can offer some insight about how database updates are managed these days? 23:37 dcook We still use updatedatabase.pl? 23:37 dcook And the release manager handles adding the DBIC resultsets? 23:37 eythian I think that's it, yeah 23:37 dcook Mm, and we still update kohastructure.sql 23:37 rangi yep for the time being yes 23:37 dcook I guess kohastructure.sql can be run on a clean DB then they can make the resultsets from there 23:38 dcook Then we use updatedatabase.pl to update the database for existing installs.. 23:38 dcook Thanks for confirming, eythian and rangi :) 23:41 dcook Actually, while you two are around... 23:42 dcook I've been thinking about squashing some commits in Git 23:42 dcook So, I have three in a row 23:42 dcook A, B, and C 23:42 dcook Ideally, I'd like to squash A and C together 23:42 dcook C touches on files changed in A, but B is completely unrelated 23:43 rangi just rebase -i 23:43 dcook I can't imagine there being any problems there 23:43 rangi reorder them 23:43 eythian it might work, it might give you conflicts 23:43 rangi and squash 23:43 eythian the easy way to find out is to try 23:43 rangi it often works just fine 23:43 dcook Mmm, I hadn't thought of reordering them... interesting 23:43 dcook I was going to do rebase -i then just ignore B 23:43 eythian rebase -i makes it very easy to cut/paste things around 23:45 dcook Beautiful! 23:45 wahanui i guess Beautiful! is that a "moving to jquery (ui)" thing? 23:45 dcook Thanks guys :) 23:46 dcook Hmm 23:46 dcook Tried it again and now I think I've broken something.. 23:46 dcook Or not... that was weird