Time Nick Message 00:05 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "idiomatic question: does this read ok?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/247 00:25 eythian tcohen: why would you set zebra_bib_index_mode to grs1 to deprecate grs1? 00:32 tcohen good question, as the code accepts that option, i considered leaving as an option, with a "(deprecated)" tag 00:32 tcohen ah, i was talking about something else (other phrase I changed) 00:32 tcohen the one i pasted is for people upgrading and already having grs1 in the config file 00:36 tcohen night #koha 00:40 mtompset Good night, tcohen. 00:45 rangi @later tell pianohacker https://soundcloud.com/karimchehab/in-the-dub-tonight-karim 00:45 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 00:51 oleonard Hi #koha 00:52 rangi hi oleonard 00:55 wizzyrea omgosh. 00:56 wizzyrea what are you doing up oleonard! 00:56 wizzyrea or here, I suppose. 00:56 oleonard Not quite too late for me to be up, but definitely too late for me to be here :) 00:57 oleonard Feeling restless, so I was looking at the needs-signoff list 01:04 oleonard You know... Like normal people do on a normal evening, everything normal about that. 01:08 eythian nothing strange at all 01:21 oleonard Okay, at least I've found a couple of things to add to my list when I'm more awake... and sober. 01:22 wizzyrea oh drunk koha-ing 01:22 wizzyrea atta boy :) 02:28 wizzyrea drunk kohacking is what I meant. 05:18 mtompset Have a great day, #koha wizzyrea eythian rangi. :) 05:32 cait hi #koha 05:43 magnuse hiya cait and #koha 05:43 cait morning magnuse :) 05:56 alexia good morning everyone. I have a working koha installation where all of our records are entered using the Greek language. no problems so far. Recently we started adding serials in our system and I get a strange problem with the display of greek under the subscription details (in the administration koha, not the opac). In particular and only in tis page , the name of the library set for my patron which is in greek appears corrupted as well as the name of the 05:56 alexia any ideas? 05:56 wahanui any ideas are welcome :) 06:08 cait alexia: which version are you using? 06:24 alexia cait: i am using version 3.12.05 06:25 cait hm it's possible that this is fixed in more current versions 06:25 cait if it's only a display problem, i wouldn't wory too much about it right now until you can update 06:25 alexia i am planning to upgrade soon 06:25 alexia ok will do that 06:25 alexia thank you! :-) 06:25 cait i know it's probabl yannoying 06:26 alexia \the cataloguers are complaining 06:26 cait yeah I understand 06:26 alexia but i will try to see what happens when i upgrade 06:26 cait but probably not much else you can do then update for now 06:26 cait maybe try in a demo install if you can reproduce the problemin a newer version too 06:26 alexia ok thanks a lot 06:31 ashimema monrin' 06:32 cait morning ashimema 06:48 reiveune hello 06:54 schnydszch hi all! 06:56 alex_a bonjour 07:19 schnydszch if I'm not mistaken koha con 15 proposal had ended right? 07:21 rangi thats right 07:22 schnydszch rangi, our group intends to, but yeah it will be for 2016. we want koha con in the next few years in the Philippines :) 07:24 gaetan_B hello 07:26 schnydszch the head of IT at the National Library of the Philippines has expressed his support. They're the biggest Koha user in the Philippines. 07:28 rangi maybe we can get them to upgrade to a more modern (one from this decade) at the same time :) 07:29 schnydszch haha there are actually lots of issues within the organization, that's why 07:30 schnydszch and maybe you can convince sir Ed, the head IT ;) (winks) 07:30 schnydszch aside from customizations they did with their koha ils 07:30 rangi there are lot using 2.2.8 which was about 7 years old, when they chose it .. made their own lives really hard 07:34 schnydszch yeah maybe you can convince them.. but as far as other libraries are concerned, they're more recent: ours: hreplib.congress.gov.ph and that of opac.filipinaslibrary.org.ph and http://library.southville.edu.ph/ These are more 3.14 up 07:43 magnuse did i see somewhere that the national library has been rolling out 2.2.x to lots of public libraries? or did i misunderstand that? 07:43 rangi nope thats what they did 07:45 rangi to give you an idea why we still use the older version as per recommendation of The National Library of the Philippines (which all public libraries here in the Philippines are under, including our library) KOHA 2.2.9 is the most stable version. Is it true? 07:46 rangi so it might be a good opportunity for some FUD busting 07:46 schnydszch yeah you're right magnuse 07:47 schnydszch ..but for those asking me regarding Koha ILS, I always point them to the newer versions 07:47 rangi i tried explaining, when the national librarian was at LIANZA in nz a few years ago, but they are still spreading misinformation :( 07:47 rangi so a conference might be a way to reach a wider audience, and hopefully fix that 07:48 schnydszch maybe you can convince our NL :D 07:49 rangi already tried :) 07:49 schnydszch well aside from internal issues which i 07:50 schnydszch ..if there are other library and info professionals attending from the PHilippines, they'll take your words :) 07:52 schnydszch I've also asked that question why theirs is older version, internal issues and customizations are the problems. probably misquoted with 2.2.9 as stable version, but i dunno.. 08:17 ashimema 2.2.9... wow.. that's an ass to upgrade to 3.0+ 08:18 ashimema 'barge pole' and 'don't touch' comes to mind 08:18 ashimema would be good to make them understand how old and crusty that version is compared to the recent 3.x releases 08:19 ashimema hey rangi.. 08:19 ashimema you had a play with using koha::objects and creating a 'nice' singular object involving borrower attributes didn't you? 08:20 ashimema is that code available to see anywhere? 08:20 * ashimema is still having a proper love/hate relationship with koha::objects :( 09:04 cait morning #koha 09:09 magnuse kia ora cait 09:11 cait hi magnuse :) 09:56 magnuse airnz ftw! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOw44VFNk8Y 10:00 ashimema awesome 10:01 cait yeah :) 10:01 cait kiwis++ 10:07 magnuse and they have really comfy planes too :-) 10:38 ashimema We basically decided against extending dbic result classes in the end didn't we.. 10:39 * ashimema feels it's going to be a real pain implementing what would be a 3 liner in dbic in the koha::objects structure instead :( 10:51 ashimema khall about? 10:51 ashimema ping khall_away ;) 10:56 ashimema has anyone else worked with koha::objects yet? 10:57 ashimema i'm trying to work out what the pracice should be for creating an object which joins table internally 10:57 ashimema dbic would be easy.. i'd just override a method 10:58 ashimema but I feel we're 'not meant to' directly play with db in the koha::objects.. at which point I become truly lost. 11:03 khall ashimema: not sure I'm following what you wrote 11:16 * cait waves at khall 11:16 khall mornin cait! 11:16 cait wish i could help - but hope you 2 can figure out something 11:17 khall I'm sure we can, but I think we's wandered away ; ) 11:17 ashimema back now ;) 11:17 * magnuse cheers ashimema and khall on :-) 11:17 khall ; ) 11:18 ashimema I have a pair of tables.. much like borrowers and borrower_attributes.. and want the object to seamlessly return a 'borrower' object that hides the borrower_attributes table 11:18 ashimema (only in my case it's ill_requests and ill_request_attributes.. 11:19 khall I understand 11:19 ashimema in dbic.. I'd add a method to the IllRequest result class somthing sub get_columns { dbic join on self query goes here } to override the get columns method.. 11:21 khall so, you want a way to read/write the attributes without creating another full blown object, right? 11:21 ashimema but I'm nto sure what we should do in a koha::object to achieve the same. We can obviosly override soe methods.. but I'm less sure which ones to override... but i'm also not sure your 'meant' to include arbitrary dbic select queries in a koha::object module.. as I thought a huge amount of the point of these objects was to abstract away the reliance on dbic. 11:21 ashimema exactly. 11:22 ashimema basically.. I want my request object to seamlesly return on object which is the combination of the two tables.. 11:22 ashimema rather than requiring two separate objects.. 11:22 khall you could have a get_attributes method that just returns a list of available attributes for the object, and then an attribute getter and setter 11:22 ashimema sorry for the bombardment ;) 11:22 khall np! 11:23 khall I think you are right that it would be overkill to make the attributes objects unto themselves if they are as simple as they sound 11:23 ashimema so in effect recreating the 'get_columns' call from dbic and overriding it 11:23 khall ashimema: not sure if this helps, but I wrote another version of the authorised values package http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10363 11:23 huginn 04Bug 10363: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , There is no package for authorised values. 11:23 ashimema they are indeed.. 11:23 khall it deals with the branch limiting table 11:24 khall ashimema: basically 11:24 wahanui it has been said that basically is all but closed/wontfix/invalid 11:24 khall so the attributes are hard coded into the database then, as columns? 11:26 ashimema they're very much like the borrower attributes table.. 11:26 khall look at get_branch_limitations 11:26 ashimema it's a way to make requests flexible.. 11:26 khall I understand 11:26 ashimema just reading that routine ;) 11:27 ashimema I see.. you are directly using dbic in that class then.. 11:27 ashimema _avb_resultset dos a dbic call 11:27 khall yes 11:28 ashimema ack.. this would be sooo sooo muhc easier to just add to the base dbic classes :'( 11:28 ashimema well.. neater rather than easier maybe.. 11:28 ashimema thanks khall anyways.. 11:28 khall I would generally avoid using it in our classes, but sometimes we definitely will need to. The key is the keep the calling code from needing to be dbic aware 11:29 ashimema indeed.. 11:29 khall That way, in the future we could theorectially replace dbic 11:29 ashimema It feels more and more like we're basically saying that dbic was the wrong decision by abstracting it. 11:29 khall no that I expect that to happen any time soon 11:29 khall I'm afraid so 11:30 khall *but* it does give us db portability 11:30 ashimema but dbic was certailny the right decision in my mind.. 11:30 ashimema I really really wish we'de use it.. 11:30 khall I agree, there are compelling arguments for both sides 11:30 ashimema dbic inherantly gives us a good amount of db portability. 11:30 khall and this appears to be the best compromise 11:30 cait maybe you 2 should discuss with tcohen some more? 11:31 ashimema I think what we'll end up with is a layer of code on top of dbic which bascially completely mimicks all of dbic and uses allot of dbic speciifc code to make it work.. 11:31 khall ashimema: to me the there is a huge benefit to this system, and that's schema encapsulation 11:31 ashimema so we'll be left with bascialyl doubling the code. 11:31 khall since dbic works based on our schema, we can't use it for encapsulation 11:32 khall this actually is very good for our community development model, which doesn't work well with huge radical changes all at one 11:32 khall I'm sure you've heard this argument from me before ; ) 11:32 khall the biblio/biblioitems example is what I always use. 11:33 khall We can create Koha::Biblio which can handle having two separate tables internally, and then when all the code uses Koha::Biblio, we can merge the tables in the db, and update only one file 11:34 khall so we can fix the issue over a long period of time, rather than one giant overnight change 11:34 khall which we'd have to keep chasing down new bits to fix because of new patches 11:36 khall ashimema: I could also have avoided storing my own resultset and used dbic relationships instead. Jonathans preliminary work uses them. I avoided it for simplicity: https://git.biblibre.com/biblibre/kohac/commit/69559b53700d5aa532b32a98a6dbd14c0f70f255#diff-5 11:37 ashimema My feeling is that Koha::Object are still too tied to schema for that to really be the case. 11:39 ashimema I still like the idea of Koha::Borrower for example but I’m more and more tending towards feeling those should be written with a series of rules in mind as opposed to a base class system.. by having such a base class system we're hiding away allot of the goodness that dbic has developed over the years and encouraging devs to actualyl jsut create again all the coresponding objects from the db tables.. 11:39 ashimema which is exactly what we're wanting to avoid. 11:40 ashimema dbic relationships are fantastically powerful, why not make use of them in our next level object instead of attempting to completely recreate them? 11:41 khall too many developers appear to disagree with that stance 11:42 ashimema So.. to me.. for the simple case a Koha::thing should pure adn simple be a pass through of the dbic baed object.. but for the complex case where mroe than one table is involved in an object we should create sadi object and use dbic in all it's glory to create useful methods that mimick the style of the setters/getters for other modules. 11:44 khall I don't care for the hybrid idea, I think we need to pick one style and stick with it for the sake of current and future developers 11:44 cait i think some devs were just hard about logic/database code in pl files 11:45 ashimema I totally agree.. but working with these objects and all the restirctions they seem to place is making me cry ;) 11:45 cait but both approaches could avoid that i think? 11:45 khall ashimema: you can do anything you want inside the object! 11:46 khall you can use all the fancy dbic goodness in any way you wish, it's just nicely encapsulated 11:46 ashimema Indeed.. but I'm at the point of basically forgetting about using base Koha::Object for my objects and building my own using dbic goodness to build stuff.. 11:46 ashimema which goes against the point surely 11:47 ashimema pl's should be like 5 lines long.. all Logic should be in pm's.. 11:47 khall right, and your Koha objects are pm's 11:47 ashimema pianohackers Services works shows a really really nice way of doing that. 11:48 ashimema feel like i'm being mean.. just trying to really understand the point of everything.. 11:48 ashimema I want a clear route going forward as you say.. 11:48 ashimema I'll go back to attempting to get this working now.. 11:54 ashimema didn't mean to sounds so negative there.. 11:56 khall no, I understand. 11:58 ashimema in fact.. thinking about it.. your AuthorisedValue object is a pretty good exaple of what I don't like about the objects stuff.. 11:58 khall I just want *something* and that something has to be something we cal all generally agree on. And afaict using dbic objects from pl is not going to happen, but I think we need to move to OO development in general, as it will greatly simply so many things about our code. And that simplification will lead to fewer bugs, and fewer barriers to entry for new devlopers. 11:58 ashimema The only stuff you've implemented in there is actualyl related to branches and their limitations.. 11:59 khall go on, not sure what you kmean 11:59 ashimema To me.. that stuff should be in the Branch object and there doesn't really need to be an AuthorisedValue object at all.. until we have somthing that's is AuthValue ONLY related.. 11:59 ashimema do you get my meaning there.. 12:00 ashimema but having a Koha::Object class as a base, you've been encouraged to create a AuthorizedValue object and enhance it with Branch based methods.. 12:00 oleonard Hi #koha 12:01 ashimema it's the wrong way around in my head ;) 12:01 khall we can easily add Koha::Branch->authorised_values( $auth_category ) that returns an AuthorisedValues object 12:01 ashimema indeed we can.. 12:02 khall I do see what you mean, but I don't think AV is intrinscly tied to branches, at least it wasn't at the start. 12:02 ashimema it's more the 'encouragement to put methods where they don't really belong' that I don't like ;) 12:02 ashimema AV isn't.. but Branch Limits (which just happen to be stored in the AV table are).. 12:03 ashimema so why polute the namespace with an AV and AVs object just to get BranchLimits.. 12:04 khall it's not just to get branch limits, it just happens that most of the logic need over top the base class relates to branch limits 12:05 khall for example, I also added a method opac_description to return the correct description for the catalog, so we don't have to spread $av->lib_opac || $av->lib throughout the templates 12:05 khall mornin tcohen! 12:05 tcohen morning khall ! 12:06 khall I think you may want to read the scrollback if you can ; ) 12:06 tcohen ok :-D 12:06 ashimema we're debating koha::objects and dbic again.. 12:06 ashimema sorry to have dragged it all up again.. 12:06 khall I'm sure you can't wait to jump in ; ) 12:06 oleonard debate++ 12:06 ashimema just trying to work with it and getting myself more and mroe tied in knotts. 12:08 oleonard https://secure.latimes.com/includes/projects/hollywood/portraits/don_knotts.jpg 12:16 khall ashimema: in the end, I just want a standard object oriented model, and we need to be able to use it from pl files. If it's dbic, great, it it's Koha::Object, great. The only thing I don't want to for us to all be creating bespoke classes where every object has different methods and conventions. 12:16 ashimema we agree on that 12:17 * khall nods 12:17 ashimema if I have time I'll try to submit my ILL piece as three disperate models.. 12:17 ashimema koha::objects, dbic objects and koha::services 12:18 khall if you have time, that would be really great for everyone to look at. 12:18 khall ashimema: so Koha::Services wouldn't be OO right? 12:19 ashimema Services is more of a layer on top of either Koha::Objects or DBIx::Class Objects. 12:20 ashimema though I suppose you could think of a service as an object.. 12:20 khall yeah, that's what I though 12:20 ashimema /api/ill being the object and /api/ill?thing being the object method to call ;) 12:22 khall I'm all for a good standard REST model as well. That's definitely the way of the future. I'd love to see Koha be the most integratabtle ILS in the world! 12:22 khall though it probably is already ; ) 12:28 ashimema tcohen.. did you see my Shibboleth writeup? 12:28 tcohen ashimema: not yet :-D 12:28 ashimema if you want me to doctor it at all todays the day.. I'm off for a week form this evening ;) 12:29 * tcohen is reading it 12:32 cait ashimema: release is after you come back ;) 12:32 ashimema :) 12:32 ashimema indeed it is.. but I'm envisaging i'll be a tad overwhelemed when I get back.. 12:33 ashimema the usual post holidat million emails to go through and the like ;) 12:43 tcohen hi cait 12:49 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:49 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 32.4°C (9:44 AM ART on October 24, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 13:00 druthb @wunder 77098 13:00 huginn druthb: The current temperature in WEST UNIVERSITY, HOUSTON, Texas is 14.7°C (7:59 AM CDT on October 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 13:04 cait oleonard++ thank you! 13:04 * oleonard has done his good deed for the day: Testing IE in three different VMs 13:05 cait oleonard++ 13:05 oleonard IE doesn't not suck yet. 13:09 * oleonard overhears someone commenting, "oleonard's patches are always so easy to test, whenever I want to sign off on something I look for his!" 13:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13042 - Move budget action links into menu <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=91eb4252c7a120a6137123175e331dbe2f79dd77> / Bug 11945: The script should die if the pref are not filled <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbc4e94d7f389d6bac37d9145283239d872f82f5> / Bug 11945: SQL syntax error in delete_expired_opac_registrations.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/git 13:09 * oleonard overhears someone else agreeing wholeheartedly 13:12 cait oleonard: actually that's about what i told someone today asking about easy patches for sandboxes :) 13:13 oleonard I knew I really heard it! 13:17 ashimema hehe 13:18 cait not to say that you have a very low 'fail qa' rate 13:18 cait :) 13:20 oleonard I keep getting bumped back to the web installer after logging in to the staff client 13:21 oleonard "We are upgrading from Koha 3.17.00.031 to 3.17.00.031" 13:21 oleonard Run "update," log in to staff client, see staff client home page, click circulation, back to web installer. 13:22 oleonard Hm, clearing the cache seems to have fixed it? Not sure how that could be. 13:27 cait hm strange yes 13:27 ashimema tres odd 14:26 oleonard Can someone clarify for me whether it is now okay to put English strings into scripts and modules? They can now be handled by the translation process? 14:27 cait oleonard: it's only ok if you use soem special tool 14:27 cait are you looking at something specific? 14:27 oleonard I'm testing a patch that includes English in a script, and want to give the correct advice in my comments 14:28 cait i think if thee is an easy way to avoid it, we should still avoid 14:28 cait i see the use for command line scripts 14:28 cait hm and i can't find the bug report i wanted to point you to :( 14:29 oleonard I looked at Bug 11668 the other day but couldn't get it to work, not sure if I was doing something wrong 14:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11668 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Untranslatable "Total" in borrowers stats and other reports 14:29 cait i think the base bug was 8044 14:30 oleonard That patch adds lines like: print gettext("Total") . "\n"; 14:30 cait but probably you need to look at 11848 14:30 cait hm and that advises to do something like that 14:32 oleonard I couldn't find anywhere in master where that was being used, so I hesitated to recommend it. 14:32 cait i am not really sure either, tcohen? 14:33 cait or maybe bgkriegel 14:33 cait i'd like to avoid that devs get too lazy, but sometimes it m ight be really helpful 14:34 cait lazy = putting all kinds of strings in the perl scripts :) 14:34 * oleonard agrees 15:04 reiveune bye 15:28 * oleonard doesn't remember that we changed "other phone" to "mobile phone" 15:28 oleonard Didn't we change it from "mobile phone" to "other phone" a while ago? 15:31 jcamins Bug 12407 15:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12407 major, P5 - low, ---, brendon.ford, Pushed to Master , phone label or data switched 15:32 oleonard Yes, but Bug 5252 15:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, CLOSED FIXED, Emails & Phones On Patron Add/Edit form 15:33 oleonard We stopped calling it "mobile phone" at that time so that the patron could choose what was their primary phone regardless of what kind of phone it is 15:58 oleonard Grumpy Bug 13142 15:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13142 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Change "mobile phone" label back to "other phone" 16:19 gaetan_B bye 16:30 oleonard When I "print and confirm" a hold, the print receipt uses the notice template for Email. Is that a known bug? 16:38 oleonard Wow, 88 bugs with "notice" in the summary. 17:07 tcohen oleonard: did it became "mobile phone" again by mistake? 17:07 oleonard Incorrectly, I believe 17:11 tcohen @search DOM 17:11 huginn tcohen: There were no matching configuration variables. 17:11 tcohen @find DOM 17:11 huginn tcohen: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 18:13 mtompset khall: *ping* you here? 18:13 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:59 oleonard I signed off on Bug 6810 but then decided the prefs needed rewording so it's back to needs signoff. 18:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6810 enhancement, P4, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Send membership expiry reminder notices 18:59 oleonard I think it's a really worthwhile enhancement if anyone is inclined to give it a test and sign off. 18:59 cait is it only a string change for the prefs? 19:00 oleonard Yes 19:00 cait hmm 19:00 cait tempted to skip the rule :) 19:01 * oleonard must leave you all to decide without him 19:01 cait ah 19:01 cait mean :) 19:11 mtompset Might I get someone to look at bug 13141? Easiest to test if you have an Ubuntu and Debian git install. 19:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13141 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Add ability for biblio_framework to be a dropdown in Guided Reports 19:45 rangi ashimema: we decided against using dbic stuff in scripts, you are welcome to do it in modules 19:45 rangi just dont make the scripts needing to know about it 19:50 cait hola rangi 19:50 cait reading back? 19:50 cait ashimema is gone for a week of vacation now 20:33 * wajasu doing a wheezy pkg install of 16.4 20:33 * wajasu s/16.4/3.16.4/g 20:52 wnickc hi all 21:49 mtompset wajasu: what happened to arch linux? ;) 21:54 tcohen hi mtompset 21:54 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 21:54 mtompset So, KohaCon went well, I take it? :) 21:54 mtompset Nice pictures, by the way. 21:54 tcohen thanks, the guys were quite happy 21:54 tcohen so, i'm happy 21:54 tcohen we had great time 21:55 tcohen we are still waiting for a promotional spot we did about kohacon 21:55 tcohen and Koha itself ;) 21:58 tcohen does Z39.50 have some oai-set-like feature to filter the search domain? 22:16 mtompset Don't know. Sadly, I need to leave. Have a great day, #koha tcohen. :) 22:29 cbrannon Anyone have any ideas why the koha installer might not login? 22:30 tcohen you're talking about the web installer, right? 22:30 tcohen on a kosher setup? 22:32 cbrannon yes. Instructions say to use username koha_koha, but when I look in the koha-conf.xml file, the username is kohauser, and I do use the crazy long password shown in the file. 22:32 cbrannon I tried both koha_koha and kohauser for the username. Every time I try to log in the form just clears. No error message. 22:33 tcohen yes, you should use the <user>here</user> entry as username 22:33 tcohen and <pass>probably the long thing</pass> 22:33 cbrannon Which in this install is kohauser. So I use that username and password, and all it does is clear the form. 22:36 cbrannon I know it is actually using that xml file, because if I rename it, web installer breaks. So, it isn't pointing to some other file somewhere. 22:39 cbrannon Nevermind. I was looking at the wrong username and password. Sheesh! Sorry tcohen 22:40 eythian hi 22:40 wahanui hello, eythian