Time Nick Message 23:58 bgkriegel__ tcohen: which strings? 23:58 bgkriegel__ my nick is getting longer 23:45 rangi yeah thats from aimee who is cool and eythian's friend 23:45 wizzyrea ooh but I just thought of somewhere to look. 23:45 wizzyrea ... but i'm sorry I really don't know 23:44 wizzyrea http://ideaforge.io/about/ 23:44 cait i think it was blue :P 23:44 cait lol 23:44 rangi nope cant rememeber 23:43 rangi https://www.bountysource.com/trackers/367557-koha 23:43 cait and it ranked 23:43 cait you picked one out of 2 23:43 wizzyrea yeah that was a different thing 23:43 cait it was kind of a ranking thing 23:43 rangi hmm bountysource gets ideas out of bugzilla 23:43 rangi ideatorrent 23:43 cait it got data out of bugzilla 23:42 rangi hmm no, thats not what i was thinking of 23:41 rangi there is ideaforge now 23:40 cait how can you forget that :) 23:40 cait it was cool! 23:40 cait lol 23:40 rangi no idea 23:40 cait rangi? :) 23:40 rangi nope 23:40 wizzyrea some weird web service. 23:39 wizzyrea rangi might remember too I thought he set it up 23:39 wizzyrea I do remember this 23:39 cait :) 23:38 wizzyrea buuuuuuut I might have IRC logs from when we talked about it :P 23:37 cait ah :( 23:37 wizzyrea yes, I do and I do not remember what it was... 23:36 tcohen :-P 23:36 cait yep 23:36 tcohen cait is trying to adjust to Argentina's tz, to avoid jetlag 23:36 cait i am not sure it was officially there, but i am trying to find out what that was :) 23:36 cait wizzyrea: do you remember that thing we had on the website for bit? it gave you 2 bugs and you picked the more important one 23:35 tcohen ? 23:35 cait oh 23:35 cait hi there 23:35 eythian also, hi :) 23:35 cait :) 23:35 eythian cait: go to bed 23:32 tcohen bgkriegel_: are the new guided reports strings appearing? (master) 23:30 cait i am not aware of a bug for it 23:30 cait hi bgkriegel :) 23:29 huginn bgkriegel_: The operation succeeded. 23:29 bgkriegel_ @later tell cait master DE staff, Administration > Systemparameter > Kataloganreicherung, Alle section, there is an untranslated "NOTE: you can...". Do we have a bug number for this? 23:21 bgkriegel_ cait, still around? 22:40 tcohen hi eythian 22:28 wahanui hi, eythian 22:28 eythian hi 22:24 rangi true 22:21 wizzyrea for example: if you put a barcode into a title search, it wouldn't come up with the item. 22:21 wizzyrea I wonder if the librarians at that library are using a different default search, or changing the search to one that doesn't work. It does seem unusual that it wouldn't come up with a barcode 22:18 wizzyrea more, similar, problems. 22:17 wizzyrea for more similar problems 22:17 wizzyrea yeah another 22:17 tcohen is there a new patch? 22:17 tcohen ubuntu upgraded bash today 22:16 wizzyrea HOPEFULLY SOON JEEZ 22:16 wizzyrea debian anyway, ubuntu is "not yet" 22:11 rangi hi tcohen 22:10 cait hi wizzyrea 22:10 tcohen hicait 22:10 wizzyrea hi cait :) 22:10 cait hi tcohen 22:10 wizzyrea hi tcohen :) 22:10 tcohen hi rangi wizzyrea 22:09 wizzyrea funny because I checked about 40 minutes ago and it wasn't there 22:08 rangi i just did git, doing bugs now 22:08 wizzyrea d* 22:08 wizzyrea koha-community.org update 22:08 wizzyrea ah yep so it is 22:08 wizzyrea yeah 22:07 rangi and the search email? 22:07 rangi seems to be 22:07 wizzyrea oh is it out now? 22:06 rangi and upgraded bash again 21:42 wizzyrea oh that latest email to the list... buuuurn. 21:42 wnickc bye #koha, have a good weekend! 21:37 jmsasse Later. 21:36 jmsasse I'm off to a Plum Creek 40th anniversary thing tonight. 21:32 jmsasse Ready for a looonnggg weekend but don't have one coming. 21:31 wnickc how are you? 21:31 wnickc not too much going on ehre, looking forward to a long weekend 21:29 wnickc Hi jmsasse 21:28 cait here :) 21:26 jmsasse wnickc: what's happening, bro? 21:19 * wizzyrea nods 21:19 wahanui you are a Cylon, and they all have plans. 21:19 wizzyrea wizzyrea? 21:19 wizzyrea hehe 21:19 wahanui i think cait is just silly on a train again 21:19 bgkriegel_ cait? 21:16 wnickc It is at that 21:15 wnickc :-) 21:14 wizzyrea see, a happy day. 21:14 wizzyrea ...and I don't even owe the awesome jar 21:14 bgkriegel_ Hi wizzyrea :) 21:14 wizzyrea it's a beautiful day, the world still turns, and making library software is awesome! 21:13 wizzyrea Hello #koha! 21:13 wizzyrea naw, make a big noise! 21:12 * wnickc waves so as not to disturb the silence 21:12 cait hm? 21:03 wizzyrea oh you guys. 18:42 cait :) 18:40 magnuse how hard can it be? 18:39 cait with insane rules... 18:39 cait heh 18:38 oleonard It's all just a big database! ;) 18:38 oleonard Who wants to re-write the lists feature from scratch? Anyone? 18:37 oleonard ...and everyone that looks at the code says "Wow this code really should be re-written!" 18:37 oleonard The latest patch is an improvement, but not a complete fix. 18:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6279 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Can't delete lists from the second page of lists in the OPAC 18:36 oleonard Ugh. Bug 6279. 17:14 Oak \o/ 17:12 magnuse Oak 16:55 * indradg waves 16:55 Oak magnuse 16:55 Oak hello rambutan ! 16:54 rambutan hey Oak 16:54 * Oak waves 16:53 indradg Joubu: around? 16:52 huginn indradg: Joubu was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 44 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <Joubu> cait: I let a note ;) 16:52 indradg @seen Joubu 15:32 reiveune bye 15:10 * oleonard thinks 3 pallets? That's a lot of Kindles 15:10 Shane-S oh GTG, 3 pallets just came in...be back 15:09 Shane-S yeah, I am seeing this as I go through the fields...I notice many say [Obsolete] 15:09 jcamins If you have, e.g., 20 iPads, you'd still only want one record so that people could figure out what to place a hold on. 15:09 jcamins Shane-S: you're likely to spend more time making a framework than you would cataloging items, I'd think. 15:08 Shane-S however, when we go 1 to 1, I am thinking Koha would be great to "sign out" student chromebooks for the year 15:08 jcamins (and if you are cataloging enough to justify a new framework, please feel free to send me some of the devices you're deaccessioning:) 15:08 oleonard Shane-S: The other reason might be if the default framework had *required* fields you didn't want to populate. 15:08 Shane-S oh...right now at most 20 15:07 oleonard Shane-S: I would only create a new framework if it helps with the workflow of frequently adding items of that type 15:07 jcamins Shane-S: how many electronic devices do you plan on cataloging? 15:05 Shane-S I though I would need to, since it is an electronic device and many fields are not needed, like bibliographic and library of congress type of things 15:04 oleonard Shane-S: Why are you creating a new framework? 15:01 Shane-S I just made a new type based on the default and I am removing some obvious stuff that is useless..like bibliographic fields 14:57 oleonard Actually Shane-S now that I think about it they probably composed the records outside of Koha and imported it 14:56 Shane-S okay, I was just curious if they made a new one....but this looks way over my head (understanding all the codes). 14:55 oleonard Probably the default. You can look at the links above and download the MARC record if you're curious how our catalogers did it. 14:54 Shane-S oleonard: what MARC framework did you use for the laptops? 14:36 wahanui thanks druthb :) 14:36 druthb wahanui: botsnack cookie 14:21 oleonard Give it a try 14:21 oleonard I don't know Shane-S 14:20 Shane-S oleonard: tablet (item type) current checkouts: 1 load period: 7 ; all (item type) current checkout: 2 load period: 7 14:19 Shane-S oleonard: will having this rule allow 3 checkout total (2 anything, 1 tablet) or will it only allow 2 max (1 anything, 1 tablet).... 14:04 Shane-S Likely a Winter Break project now 14:04 Shane-S seperate question i used packages...can I get from 3.12 to 3.16 easily (I wanted to do it this summer, but it got shelved for about 30 other projects) 14:00 Shane-S oleonard: ty, I will go play! 13:59 oleonard Shane-S: Yes. Assign those items a different item type and create a separate circulation rule for that item type. 13:58 Shane-S hmm...i guess now the question is...since I don't mess with Koha much (I just got it running), can I set-up special checkout rules separate from normal library media rules? 13:48 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=289796 13:48 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=324410 13:44 oleonard Shane-S: We have added other equipment, like laptops and bicycles. 13:42 Shane-S Has anyone added Kindle's into their systems? I am thinking of doing that so I can check-out and check-in borrowed kindles. 12:10 cait Joubu: saw your comment just now sorry 12:09 oleonard Oh jeeze you guys I just realized Koha sucks. I'm outta here. 12:09 cait Andy for self checkout you need staff user to login with, the students need no permissions 12:08 Joubu cait: I let a note ;) 12:08 Andy chris_n this is self checkout 12:07 Joubu cait: I wait for an answer from Maxime 12:07 chris_n Andy: http://tinyurl.com/mjo2tec 12:06 cait Joubu: shoudl 11876 be pqa or do you want someone to take a look at the follwo up? 12:05 Andy but when I give them only check out and check in permission the system won't let me sign in 12:05 Andy for students, I just want them to check out/check in books and nothing else 12:04 jcamins Andy: if you are giving your students access to the staff client, then yes, you will need to follow the instructions that say to give your staff catalogue and staff_access permissions. 12:03 chris_n Andy: expressing opinions such as "Koha sucks" will probably not encourage the folks here to be of much help. But maybe you should have a look around the FAQ on the website: specifically this one: http://tinyurl.com/lvfna3j 11:58 Andy My question is for a question what are the basic permissions we should give? Koha sucks if there is no permission list for students. 11:58 Andy Is this okay? 11:57 huginn Andy: downloading the Perl source 11:57 Andy @chris: It only worked after adding: catalogue Required for staff login. Staff access, allows viewing of catalogue in staff client. 11:53 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 11:53 chris_n heya oleonard 11:53 chris_n Andy: try giving your user borrowers permissions 11:52 oleonard Hi #koha 11:48 chris_n mtj: ping 11:27 Andy Anybody there? 11:26 Andy I get it. It's the permission issue but I have given the circulation permission to this user, but still I am getting this error 11:25 Andy I get this Error: You do not have permission to access this page. 11:25 Andy but when I try to login using the ID and password 11:25 Andy (students) 11:25 Andy I am making patrons 11:25 Andy I need help 11:25 wahanui hi, Andy 11:25 Andy Hi there 09:47 paxed from a translation viewpoint, that strings.inc needs to be reworked anyway. 09:45 cait maybe at hackfest 09:45 cait and it would make a good bug for a beginner 09:45 cait paxed: can you please file a bug? I think just posting here it will get lost 09:38 paxed koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/strings.inc: var REASON_UNKNOWN = _("reason unkown"); typo: "unkown" 08:18 cait hi fridolin :) 08:16 fridolin hie cait good morning 08:09 cait good morning #koha 07:19 wahanui salut, Joubu 07:19 Joubu hello 06:55 fridolin hie all 06:44 reiveune salut dcook 06:43 dcook salut alex_a, reiveune 06:43 alex_a bonjour 06:41 dcook This should've taken maybe an hour.. 06:41 dcook I can't believe I've been working on this server all day... 06:41 eythian heh 06:41 dcook eythian: Finally saw the email to the list ;) 06:36 reiveune hello 06:27 eythian there we go, swervers all patched 06:18 cait dcook: have a nice time :) 06:11 dcook Rather excited :D 06:10 eythian nice :) 06:10 dcook eythian: Tomorrow after work :) 06:05 eythian dcook: when do you leave for holiday? 05:53 * dcook glares at Tomcat 05:53 dcook Speaking of slow... 05:52 eythian especially as some of them have slow internet 05:51 dcook Fair 'nuff 05:51 eythian I prefer to wait until after hours to do patching of things 05:50 dcook ? 05:50 eythian hmm, it's after 5:30. Time for some patching to happen. 05:50 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (5:30 PM NZST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 05:50 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:49 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.6°C (7:35 AM CEST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 05:49 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:30 mtj np dcook, i'll try to catch her on irc 05:29 mtj any behaviour other than a default submit, is a good fix 05:27 dcook mtj: Can't find the Nicole bug, but I swear she reported that... 05:26 dcook I guess that might be why 05:26 dcook I was just programming a scanner the other day, and it did have an option of adding a tab instead of a carriage return 05:26 eythian (at least, imo) 05:26 eythian and submit if it's the last field 05:26 eythian well no, it'd make the most sense for it to go to the next field 05:25 mtj yes, scanner could (perhaps) be reprogrammed too 05:25 dcook [off] Man... Tomcat why are you no fun... 05:24 cait and if they use the same barcode type for their items thatis isbn :) 05:24 dcook But yeah. What cait said :) 05:24 mtj agreed dcook 05:24 dcook So I guess it depends on the size of the library and where they do their work.. 05:24 dcook cait: You'd probably want to use the carriage return for circulation though 05:24 dcook mtj: Depending on your version, a fix might be as easy as adding "class="noEnterSubmit"" to the input 05:24 cait mtj: could you change the scanner configuration? some can be programmed by barcode type 05:23 cait gmcharlt++ 05:23 mtj if there is one screen/form in koha that shouldnt have a default submit, its prolly the cat tool 05:23 gmcharlt http://koha-community.org/koha-community-adopts-code-of-conduct/ 05:23 dcook Which prevented submit from a carriage return when using a barcode scanner to enter a patron's barcode in the patron record 05:23 dcook Looks like I applied a different patch 05:22 mtj i was thinking ... just use JS to fix it - but it feels like its a bug to me 05:21 dcook Of course, I could be crazy.. 05:21 rangi gmcharlt++ 05:21 mtj nice one, dcook 05:20 dcook I just applied that patch a few weeks ago I think 05:20 dcook Mmm, I think Nicole already opened a bug for that 05:20 mtj ..scanner magically sends a return, after the isbn... and form gets accidentally submitted - oops! 05:19 mtj we've got a workflow problem where someone is using a barcode scanner to enter ISBNs , when cataloging 05:19 cait :) hi all :) 05:19 mtj hiya cait 05:17 dcook hey cait 05:17 eythian hi cait 05:17 mtj eythian: i bet you do knwo what i mean :p 05:17 eythian but I'm not sure I know what I think you mean. 05:16 eythian if you mean what I think you mean, most likely a bug. 05:16 dcook default submit button? 05:16 mtj hey #koha, is having a default submit button set for the catalogue tool a feature, or a bug? 05:14 dcook Hmm, I suppose that's possible 05:11 eythian '08 apparently 05:10 dcook 2006-2010 were big metal years pour moi 05:10 dcook It was definitely around 2007 though 05:10 dcook Yeah, I can't remember how I heard about them 05:10 dcook :/ 05:10 eythian google music only has one album :/ 05:09 eythian I'm surprised I haven't encountered this before. 05:09 eythian heh, every "related artist" is something I have. 05:09 eythian ooh, neat 05:08 * eythian listens 05:06 dcook Unsun, I think 05:06 dcook Hmm, I think they were actually Polish 05:06 eythian dcook: there's also a lot of stuff like that coming out of the Netherlands. 05:05 eythian however, I'd have to patch it out I think. 05:05 dcook hehe 05:05 * dcook is pretty sure he has a note somewhere with their name.. 05:05 eythian I was thinking the same :) 05:04 eythian dcook: they are 05:04 * dcook wonders if there is something in the code of conduct about not talking about metal 05:04 gmcharlt http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/ 05:04 eythian in that general genre 05:04 dcook Aren't they Finnish? 05:04 eythian Nightwish is the most well known, probably 05:04 dcook That's what makes it more difficult to recall who they were 05:04 dcook hehe true 05:04 eythian dcook: there's quite a few in that category 05:03 dcook magnuse: We can talk about other things too :D 05:03 eythian magnuse: later for now :) 05:03 dcook I keep thinking there is another Scandinavian metal band I used to listen to around then that had a similar sound.. 05:03 eythian http://youtu.be/dwoeKyqdNyg <-- that's from 2004 05:03 * magnuse wanders off 05:02 eythian that'd be about right 05:02 dcook Looks like they changed singers in 2008, me thinks 05:02 eythian this came out after then, iirc 05:02 dcook Hmm, I have heard this song before though 05:02 dcook I keep thinking that I listened to them a bit in... 2007? 05:01 eythian actually, that youtube track is from their newer, wussier stuff. 05:01 magnuse i know, my bad probably 05:01 dcook hehe 05:01 eythian magnuse: but metal is your country's main export 05:01 dcook The name sounds really familiar 05:00 * magnuse never heard of it 05:00 eythian http://youtu.be/ouZQ7rgAq-I <-- e.g 05:00 eythian Sirenia 04:59 dcook Btw, what was the Norwegian gothic metal, eythian? 04:59 dcook Actually, it's mostly just Tomcat. Bleargh, Tomcat. 04:57 eythian heh 04:57 dcook Cool. I seem to recall a Koha person being a Java fan, and I didn't want to grump around them too much :p. 04:56 eythian I know it, that's as far as I'll commit to 04:56 dcook eythian: Are you a Java fan? 04:54 eythian ah right 04:53 dcook Overfishing the local salmon :( 04:53 eythian I have no experience with them 04:52 dcook They're bad. 04:52 dcook They're not so good 04:52 dcook Well, except Norwegian owned fisheries on the North American west coast 04:52 dcook Pretty much everything Norwegian is just great 04:52 eythian I'll stick with my Norwegian gothic metal for now. 04:49 * dcook goes back to his Norwegian post-rock and refuses to click anymore links or watch any videos. 04:49 * dcook shudders 04:49 dcook Maybe a shower? 04:48 dcook I want to cry but I can't. 04:47 eythian ah yeah, that was terribawesome 04:46 dcook [off] Oh... I would like the last 5 minutes of my life back please: http://io9.com/scorpion-brings-the-stupidest-most-batshit-insane-hack-1638333877 04:10 dcook Seems a bit slow over here at the moment 04:10 dcook Might've been something on my end as well I suppose 04:09 rangi you might have caught it when it was hupping apache 04:07 dcook That's interesting 04:07 dcook now it is 04:07 dcook Or... 04:07 dcook In a browser 04:07 dcook The website won't load though :/ 04:07 dcook Hmm, me too 04:06 rangi git fetch just worked for me 04:06 dcook That sounded rude. Sorry. git.koha-community.org appears to be down. 04:06 dcook rangi: By patched, do you mean down? 04:04 rangi our git server is patched 04:02 rangi yep 04:01 eythian oh, also gitweb 04:00 dcook rangi: Nice one with the Redhat link. 04:00 dcook (makes sense) 04:00 eythian but if you're running a git server on it, say... 04:00 dcook Yeah, the Errata blog is interesting. Probably heaps of devices that will never be updated. 04:00 rangi (not even an exageration) 04:00 eythian can also do stuff with SSH, though it's authenticated SSH so not so terrible. 03:59 dcook hehe 03:59 rangi basically unless your machine is not connected to the internet ever .. you should update bash ;) 03:59 rangi The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol Client (dhclient) is used to automatically obtain network configuration information via DHCP. This client uses various environment variables and runs Bash to configure the network interface. Connecting to a malicious DHCP server could allow an attacker to run arbitrary code on the client machine. 03:59 rangi https://access.redhat.com/articles/1200223 03:58 eythian a DHCP server sends things to the DHCP client. That client does things, and then puts some of those values into envvars and calls a shell script so you can do special things on connect. Then it runs the shell script, which causes the variables to be executed. 03:58 rangi yeah thats just barely scraping the skin of what is vulnerable 03:57 dcook Or accessing a weird URL 03:57 dcook All the tests I see are based on already having shell access 03:56 dcook But how does the attacker inject anything from the start? 03:56 dcook Hmm 03:55 eythian that's thw whole bug :) 03:55 dcook Pays to read the full sentence 03:55 dcook lol 03:55 dcook Sorry 03:55 dcook Ah 03:55 dcook Why can you run arbitrary code as root? 03:55 eythian and it'd be mine because once I can run arbitrary code on it as root, which I could do through dhclient, then you can't tell what I've done to it. 03:55 dcook I've heard that about the VPN 03:54 eythian a VPN would do even better 03:54 eythian SSL would protect you, mostly 03:53 dcook Why would you say that the laptop is "mine now"? 03:53 dcook But that's another thing 03:53 dcook I suppose the dummy could pretend to be the end site though, yeah? 03:53 * dcook needs to do more study 03:52 dcook I've been wondering if you'd still be safe if you were using SSL.. 03:52 dcook If you connect to a dummy AP, then everything you do is proxied through that dummy, yeah? 03:52 dcook I've been pondering that one for a while though 03:52 dcook Well, screwed is relative 03:51 eythian otherwise you could never use wifi at all 03:51 eythian not necessarily 03:49 dcook Mind you, if you do that in general, you're sort of screwed, no? 03:48 dcook Mmm, I thought that might be it, but only because it reminded me of APN 03:48 eythian wireless access point 03:48 dcook AP? 03:47 eythian e.g. if I set up a dummy AP that your laptop connects to, it's mine now. 03:47 dcook Totes 03:47 eythian there'll be many subtle, unexpected places it can be exploited through 03:47 eythian well 03:46 dcook (depending on how you've set up your system) 03:46 dcook Although not as nasty as some articles make it sound 03:46 dcook Sounds nasty 03:45 eythian our sysadmins have been busily patching for much of the day 03:45 eythian ah right :) 03:44 dcook So nope :) 03:44 dcook Ahh. Still on digests for that one. I only get the devel ones individually. 03:44 wahanui koha list is not hosted by biblibre 03:44 eythian koha list 03:44 dcook eythian: which list? 03:43 eythian I hadn't seen the second one though 03:43 dcook Hmm, I hadn't seen one from you. 03:43 jcamins Yes, it's real. 03:43 eythian dcook: did you even read my email to the list? ;) 03:41 dcook Or this one? http://blogs.mcafee.com/executive-perspectives/need-know-berserk-mozilla 03:41 dcook Hmm, interesting. Anyone else heard this one? http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/shell-shock-bash-bug-labelled-largest-ever-to-hit-the-internet-20140925-10ltx1.html 01:14 wizzyrea felt a bit warmer than that. 01:14 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (1:00 PM NZST on September 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 01:14 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn