Time Nick Message 22:10 eythian bye cait 22:10 eythian hi cait 22:10 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 22:10 cait night all 22:10 * cait waves at eythian 22:09 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 22:09 eythian @later tell tcohen it should have appeared as a warning. We should start using this: http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Test-NoWarnings-1.04/lib/Test/NoWarnings.pm in test cases to catch that kind of thing. 22:07 wahanui bonjour, eythian 22:07 eythian hi 21:22 francharb thanks! 21:21 cait youtoo 21:21 francharb have a good evening cait 21:21 francharb it will but it's time to rest! 21:21 cait hope it goes away 21:21 cait same here today 21:21 cait oh 21:21 francharb ahah 21:21 francharb I spent the day with a headache and computer work doesnt help! 21:20 francharb but it will be tomorrow! 21:20 francharb thanks for the wiki page, I'm going to read it and do a couple of checks! 21:19 francharb ok 21:19 cait we are moving to it yes 21:19 francharb cait, but it's the default setting now, right? 21:19 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MRenvoize/zebra 21:19 cait maybe you can find some info here 21:18 cait i think the xml xsl in the same directory... but i haven't taken a closer look at dom config so far :( 21:17 francharb ok. do you know what is the dom equivalent? 21:17 cait i am cetain about that 21:17 cait yes 21:17 francharb cait, record.abs is just for grs? 21:17 cait dom is a ibt of a blind spot for me still 21:17 cait hm not totally sure either 21:17 francharb I never actually pay attention to this, so I'm not sure how it works 21:16 francharb I dont have the reference to dom-config.xml 21:16 francharb but but, zebra-biblios.cfg doesnt seem complete... 21:14 cait hm you can ignore record.abs then 21:14 francharb cait, koha-conf says "dom" 21:11 francharb let me see if I can see it 21:11 francharb I dont know 21:11 francharb good question 21:11 cait ah are you using dom or grs-1 indexing? 21:11 francharb thanks! ;) 21:11 cait you don't seem to be 21:11 francharb ;) 21:11 francharb but :), I'm not crazy 21:10 francharb ok :( 21:10 francharb but with ln=fre, the records I found have 041$a = fre 21:10 cait francharb: it doesn't work for me iether 21:09 francharb cait, the records I'm looking for have 008 35/3 = fre but no 041$a 21:08 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 21:08 cait hm interesting 21:08 francharb yes 21:08 cait francharb: does ln=fre work in a keyword search? 21:07 cait one for unimarc too 21:07 cait ah, there are multiple :) 21:07 francharb ;) 21:07 huginn 04Bug 7586: normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, CLOSED FIXED, Search: Language restriction does NOT show expected results (no items shown) 21:07 francharb cait, I guess here is the bug you are refering to : http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7586 21:06 cait i will try and catalog a record in my installation sec 21:06 francharb I removed the rtrn, it doesnt work either... 21:06 cait hm 21:06 francharb ln,rtrn=fre 21:06 francharb http://koha.vaniercollege.qc.ca/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=inde&op=and&idx=kw&q=&op=and&idx=kw&q=&limit-yr=&limit=ln%2Crtrn%3Afre&limit=&sort_by=pubdate_dsc&limit=&limit=&limit=&limit=&do=Rechercher 21:06 francharb sure 21:05 francharb ;) 21:05 francharb I found the budg 21:05 cait can you share a search link? 21:05 francharb in 2012 21:05 cait i think we had some trouble there in the past 21:05 francharb yes 21:05 cait did you chck the codes match? 21:05 francharb I used the search page 21:04 francharb cait, yes, marc21 21:04 cait hm marc21? how are you searching for the language code? 21:04 francharb wizzyrea, I think this library import record and doesn't change this value 21:02 wizzyrea (of course, not everyone has it that way) 21:02 wizzyrea or someone at some point had records that had language in the 041, and thought "well everyone has it this way I'll change it" 21:02 wizzyrea someone at some point thought it was too tricky to encode it in the 008? 21:01 francharb Any idea? 21:01 francharb I don't get why the index doesn't contain the 008 value. 21:01 francharb record.abs gives me melm 041$a ln 21:00 francharb on the other hand, if the language code is in 041$a, it works 21:00 francharb but I can't find the record if I limit the search by language 20:59 francharb hi all, I have a record with the correct language code in 008, record.abs gives me melm 008 ln:w:range(data,35,3) so I guess the index is correctly built 19:56 rangi heh 19:56 tcohen \o/ 19:56 tcohen s/o// 19:55 tcohen hi rangio 19:55 cait morning rangi 19:54 rangi morning 19:42 cait bye khall_away 19:42 cait ok 19:40 khall gotta run. later all! 19:37 khall that could be very different depending on the outcome of our dbic discussion. I don't think we can nail down anything just yet 19:36 cait but my impression was that we were looking for something written with best practice or so 19:35 cait yep, i will add it again 19:35 khall but should be discussed during the meeting 19:35 khall I think the discussion is still ongoing 19:35 cait we haven't added anything to the coding guidelines yet 19:34 cait I was looking at the items from last time 19:34 cait agenda is here 19:34 khall is it on the wiki? can you give me a link? 19:33 cait khall: working with tcohen on the agenda for tomorrow - did you find something about dbic conventions for the coding guidelines? 19:18 cait but can we also include sloths? 19:18 cait hm good point 19:17 khall heh, don't tell nengard that! 19:17 cait khall: i don't agree about the dogs ;) 19:00 cait :) 18:59 oleonard Gotta run, but I'll check the logs to see if anyone has suggestions for improvement 18:59 tcohen jcamins: ubuntu 14.04 ships with 5.18 18:59 oleonard 3.16 release notes say "Perl 5.10 is required" 18:58 jcamins While "too old" does sound a bit better, I feel like we can call Perl 5.8 "obsolete." 18:58 jcamins Unless 5.18.0 has been released, in which case the oldest supported version is 5.16. 18:57 jcamins oleonard: because the oldest supported version of Perl is Perl 5.14. 18:57 cait it's in the release notes i think 18:57 oleonard jcamins: I don't know, I'm just the front-end guy ;) 18:57 oleonard "is too old" sounds better to me, and sounds technically more accurate 18:57 jcamins oleonard: do we still only require Perl 5.10? 18:56 cait maybe... is too old... we recommend.... ? 18:56 oleonard It's part of the web installer 18:56 cait hm where does it appear? 18:55 oleonard Is "Your Perl version seems to be obsolete" the best way to say that? "Out of date" perhaps? Or is obsolete technically correct? 18:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12918: fix failing test case <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a63c17f79d63bcdb669b74b084b83b65295d246> / Bug 12870 - require a higher version of Test::Simple <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=692e0572e1a1f96412ac665d090ccb08cd4b9132> 18:42 cait just thinking about it is work 18:42 cait oleonard++ :) 18:41 cait probably... go back to the command line? no idea :) 18:34 oleonard We don't offer any suggestions. 18:33 oleonard What do you do if it *isn't* correct? 18:33 oleonard In "Step 2" (actually step 3) of the web installer it says "Please click 'Next' to continue if this information is correct" 18:31 oleonard No idea. 18:30 tcohen oleonard: can we do it in a 6-month cycle? 18:18 oleonard So... we have an installer template called "step1.tt" which encompasses two steps. Tricky. 18:15 oleonard ...but having a staff client that was more usable on mobile would be pretty cool. 18:15 oleonard I foresee a long long period in which the old and new grid systems are both in place and pages are updated one by one 18:14 oleonard Settle down guys, I'm only pondering vaguely how we would have to go about it 18:11 * magnuse cheers oleonard on too 17:47 cait hi #koha 17:45 * mtompset cheers oleonard on in his "procrastination". :) 17:44 oleonard YUI won't be COMPLETELY DEAD until we get rid of the YUI grid. (and update basket groups) 17:44 mtompset Greetings, cait. :) 17:43 mtompset You are contemplating bootstrap for the staff client too?! :) 17:42 oleonard I must be procrastinating if I'm asking myself questions like "How would we go about changing the staff client's CSS grid system? 17:32 magnuse all my zebra logs (/var/log/koha/*/zebra*.log) are empty - any way to increase the verbosity? 17:15 gaetan_B bye! 16:44 mtompset Frequently, oleonard. 16:16 oleonard Anyone else seeing mailing list traffic moving slowly? I just now got some Bugzilla update emails from hours ago. 16:13 bag yup 16:12 oleonard YUI is officially dead. We did well ditching it when we did. 16:08 cait bye all 16:06 druthb hiyas, bag 16:06 bag heya cait and druthb 16:05 huginn druthb: 1, "rebasing_patches_for_2_years": 1, "--": 1, "-/----": 1, "--//": 1, and "https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Pabell%C3%B3n+Argentina+-+Haya+de+la+Torre,+C%C3%B3rdoba,+Argentina/Manzana+Jesu%C3%ADtica+": 1 16:05 druthb @more 16:05 * cait gives up on ie for today 16:05 huginn druthb: "-": 9, "^": 7, "ie": 7, "MARC": 5, "<-": 5, "indexdata": 3, "yui": 3, "css": 3, "windchill": 3, "regressions": 2, "<---": 2, "-rw-r---": 2, "overdues": 2, "failed": 2, "people_who_use_windows_xp_past_april_8": 2, "windows": 2, "Microfilm": 2, "http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=SSSSSu7zK1fslxtUm8_9m82Uev7qe1%207zHvTSevTSeSSSSSS": 1, "+<!": 1, "scheduling_things_with_more_than_two_people": (1 more message) 16:05 druthb @most decreased 16:04 huginn druthb: "gmcharlt": 138, "cait": 134, "oleonard": 87, "eythian": 85, "tcohen": 81, "Joubu": 72, "ashimema": 69, "rangi": 63, "khall": 56, "bgkriegel": 45, "magnuse": 37, "dcook": 27, "fridolin": 26, "jcamins": 25, "wizzyrea": 23, "marcelr": 23, "pianohacker": 21, "bag": 20, "mveron": 16, "dpavlin": 15, "Viktor": 13, "mtompset": 12, "paul_p": 11, "yohann": 10, and "biblibre": 10 16:04 druthb @most increased 16:04 huginn druthb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (138), "cait" (134), and "oleonard" (87). Lowest karma: "-" (-9), "^" (-7), and "ie" (-7). You (druthb) are ranked 28 out of 270. 16:04 druthb @karma 15:50 druthb cait++ #it's monday. 15:47 cait IE-- 15:22 cait good testing 15:22 cait paola++ 15:00 reiveune bye 14:29 oleonard Ah well, if someone wants to sign on with a vendor who says they support Koha but actually sell a closed fork I guess that's their business, even if they don't know any better. 14:28 jeff i don't actively participate in that list, so i'm not likely to respond. 14:27 oleonard jeff: The person posting the question may know the identity of the vendor, but it may not be a vendor who actually supports Koha. 14:24 oleonard jeff: Will you be responding? 14:23 * oleonard is not surprised 14:23 cait ah, no public archive 14:22 cait oh 14:21 jeff OCLC-CAT 14:20 cait jeff: which mailing list was that? 14:18 cait :( maybe a link to the support provider list would be in order then? 14:14 jeff Since the person has an address ending in .GOV, I'm going to assume I know the identity of the vendor in question. 14:14 jeff I probably shouldn't be amused. 14:13 mtompset User education is difficult. We probably shouldn't be amused by the lack of understanding. 14:09 * jeff is amused 14:09 jeff ``Please answer this question on list. We just recently spoke to the salesmen from Koha and are considering using it.'' 13:50 mtompset ^but^my^ 13:49 mtompset Just to note, but comment about failing on 5.14 is not a comment on the patch, but the version of perl tcohen should be using. :) 13:24 tcohen =D 13:24 cait tcohen will be happy 13:24 cait thx .) 13:23 khall done! easy qa on that one ; ) 13:19 khall will do! 13:19 cait then i will probably stop bugging you for today :) 13:18 cait could you qa 12918? 13:18 khall thanks! 13:18 cait i will put a link 13:18 khall cait: not sure where that should be filed, can you take care of that? 13:17 khall cait, I just filed a followup to use EncodeUTF8 13:17 cait khall: maybe we should create a link so Joubu notices? 13:17 cait khall: i wonder if the follow up needs to be taken into account for the utf-8 patches? 13:16 cait oleonard: i think running the test file with prove it should pass 13:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen 13:15 oleonard Bug 12892's unit test patch doesn't have a test plan 13:14 cait oleonard++ :) 13:00 cait nah, it is 13:00 cait not sure if the RM signing them off is valid :P 12:59 tcohen i will 12:59 khall maybe tcohen could spare a moment to sign them off? 12:59 cait so would be good if we got that all ready for tcohen and gmcharlt 12:59 khall indeed 12:58 cait because it's in 3.16.3 12:58 cait khall: i think we erally need to fix those - the ajax related bugs 12:58 khall good ; ) 12:58 cait khall: it starts to make sense again :) 12:56 khall yep 12:56 cait so right now we need a signoff for the waiting bug (12892 prio 1) and this follow-up 12920 12:55 khall 12920 isn't critical either. It's just cleanup to follow current guidelines 12:55 cait ok 12:55 khall yep, it's all good 12:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12811 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Passed QA , Patron 'Details' and 'Check out' pages not working properly for staff users which don't have renewal override permissions 12:54 khall so bug 12811 is good and ready to but pushed, bug 12920 depends on it and needs sign-off. 12:54 cait ok 12:54 cait aah so the follow up is for that 12:53 khall the comment was that my switch to Koha.Preference was incomplete, I filed a new bug with that bug being a blocker for it 12:52 cait we only got one in pqa, but with a comment from jacek that it is incomplete... could you take a look at that one? 12:52 mtompset http://youtu.be/F7952B8oLmE -- Beatles HELP! :) 12:51 khall lol, those three bugs fix the same thing 12:50 cait help?! :) 12:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12915 critical, P1 - high, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable [3.16.x], AllowRenewalLimitOverride crashes datatable 12:50 cait and bug 12915 12:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12878 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Not having the permission circulate_override_renewals triggers error that prevents checkouts table from loading 12:50 cait bug 12878 12:50 cait hm no 12:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12920 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Remove AllowRenewalLimitOverride from pl scripts, use Koha.Preference instead 12:50 cait we also got bug 12920 12:50 cait jacek left a comment there, but i am highly confused by now 12:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12811 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Passed QA , Patron 'Details' and 'Check out' pages not working properly for staff users which don't have renewal override permissions 12:49 cait is it bug 12811? 12:49 cait khall: you said there is a third one, wondering where it's hiding :) 12:48 tcohen cait++ 12:48 khall do you have a bug number? 12:48 cait khall: any chance you can find the other duplicate for the javascript error? I am trying to untangle the ajax related bugs a bit :) 12:40 fridolin see u 12:37 cait i wondered it seemed unrelated at first 12:36 cait oki 12:36 cait ah 12:36 khall cait: the holds loop was removed when we ajaxified the holds table. That loop was partly used for the holds waiting list as well 12:35 cait could you tell how it broke? it looks like we need to add back quite a bit of code 12:35 cait thx :) 12:34 khall let me know when you want to and I can do that 12:34 cait must not be right now, just interested to understand a bit more 12:34 cait what it does in the modules? 12:34 cait khall: maybe you can walk me through the solution sometime? 12:33 khall cait: I'll work on a unit test right now ; ) 12:33 tcohen he will 12:33 khall oleonard: might you have a moment to test bug 12892? 12:32 cait tcohen might ask for unit tests 12:32 khall should be an easy sign-off and qa 12:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen 12:32 khall cait: I've submitted a new patch for bug 12892 12:31 cait khall++ 12:29 cait ah ther eit is 12:29 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 12:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12899 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Row grouping in checkouts table is alphabetical and layout depends on words chosen in translation 12:29 tcohen @later tell eythian good catch, it was working on my box (perl 5.18) so I overlooked it 12:29 wahanui bug 12899 is ready for another look 12:29 cait bug 12899 12:27 oleonard Bug 12899 is ready for another look 12:27 magnuse $1 before $a 12:27 magnuse gah 12:27 mtompset -- what you were blaming tcohen for. :) 12:27 * magnuse is sometimes amazed that noone is complaining loudly about numeric subfields being displayed before alphabetic fields (e.g. $1 before $0) in the cataloguing form 12:26 wahanui signed off is the queue the QA team should watch 12:26 mtompset eythian: Signed off. 12:26 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 12:25 tcohen hi oleonard 12:25 tcohen morning 12:24 oleonard Yeah I've got a correction 12:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12899 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Row grouping in checkouts table is alphabetical and layout depends on words chosen in translation 12:23 magnuse bug 12899? 12:13 oleonard I think it failed QA though. I haven't had a chance to look at it again. 12:12 paxed at least the moremember.pl table seems to sort with due_date desc, which should be asc. 12:12 khall cait: owen submitted one 12:11 oleonard paxed: I'm curious, how do you want it to sort? 12:11 cait khall: hm do we have a patch yet for fixing the sorting? 12:10 khall paxed: you'd need to be sure the datatable has loaded before executed any javascript to manipulate it. I can't think of any easy way to do that. 12:09 paxed khall: so, how can i change the default sorting in the ajax table with jQuery in IntranetUserJS? i've tried everything easily googleable. 12:00 cait but only for a few days now and they are new to Koha 12:00 cait we have a library on 3.16.2 12:00 cait it might :( not seen that and not keen to see it 11:59 * magnuse kind of fears it's a normarc thing 11:59 magnuse after upgrading from 3.14.x to 3.16.3 i have at least one instance where editing a record/adding items results in searches returning that record multiple times. so the same record is shown more than once in the results. reindexing fixes it. anyone else seen that? 11:55 cait hi oleonard :) 11:55 oleonard Hi everyone 11:54 khall np! 11:54 cait khall++ thx! 11:53 cait magnuse: it's a one line change, i think picking it should work 11:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12883 major, P5 - low, ---, gmc, Pushed to Master , Holds tab on checkout screen never stops processing 11:48 * magnuse hopes it will be easy for gmcharlt to cherrypick a patch for bug 12883 11:31 khall cait: I'll take a look at both those 11:29 * cait waves 11:27 cait that's a really bad one for the circ desk 11:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Patch doesn't apply , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen 11:26 cait i'd also love to see a fix for bug 12892 11:25 cait it was already switched to signed off, that's why I tackled it and then I saw it had the wrong status 11:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12729 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Overdue items won't show as overdue in red in circulation 11:25 cait bug 12729 11:25 cait it hink we need them in 3.16 asap 11:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable 11:25 khall thanks! 11:25 cait i#d like to give a bit of prio to teh bugs linked to bug 11703 11:24 cait hm let me find it then :) 11:24 khall looks like I've lost it : \ 11:23 cait hm i sent a later to khall_away :) 11:23 paxed can i change the default sorting in the ajax table with jQuery in IntranetUserJS? 11:23 khall bug number? 11:23 cait the one for overdues showing in red 11:23 cait could you maybe qa it? 11:23 cait khall: i signed off ne of the patches from dobrica 11:17 khall cait: that's what I figured 11:16 cait khall: i insited you make it translatable in some way, i think the option for the placeholders was not there yet 11:15 cait the patch was around, but probably not pushed yet 11:15 cait i think it overlapped 11:15 paxed as it is, the AJAX-table is impossible to translate in a way that would satisfy users. 11:14 paxed in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/js/checkouts.js 11:13 paxed title += " " + BY + " " + oObj.author; 11:13 paxed title += " " + BY.replace( "_AUTHOR_", " " + oObj.author ); 11:13 khall paxed: either this hadn't been pushed to master yet, or the qa'er didn't know about it at the time. Good to know for the future! 11:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable 11:07 dexap khall: re. bug 11703, there IS javascript interpolation, see commit 9e9088049c343cc86 10:20 magnuse here too! 10:19 cait lunch time :) 10:18 magnuse cait++ 10:10 magnuse my $suspension_days = $deltadays * $finedays; http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Circulation.pm;h=55f0c2786eaca39c158eae8e84bb7d4c27d5e852;hb=HEAD#l2125 10:01 magnuse yup, that looks about right 10:00 magnuse 14 days late x 30 days ~= 14 months 10:00 magnuse with a "fine" of 30 days, i returned a book that was due on september 1st and got debarred until 09/11/2015 09:53 cait magnuse: maybe run a quick test if we are right about that first? 09:53 cait hm would be good that this will apply for each day the item is late 09:48 magnuse "If your library 'fines' patrons by suspending their account you can enter the number of days their fine should be suspended in the 'Suspension in days' field" from http://manual.koha-community.org/3.16/en/patscirc.html#circfinerules 09:44 cait to make it more clear 09:44 cait i think the documentation could maybe be amended 09:44 magnuse that is probably not how this library wanted it to work... ;-) 09:43 magnuse cait: yeah, probably 09:40 cait magnuse: would that explain the years? 30 * x days late? 09:40 cait thx, we are not using the feature currently :) 09:39 Joubu cait: yes, if I remember correctly, it works like that 09:36 cait Joubu: do you know if that is right? 09:35 cait i think if you return the book 3 days late, it might use 3*what is configured 09:35 cait ok, that probably made no sense :) 09:35 cait hm and the fines by date... i think it might be by day late 09:35 cait what debar code does it have? 09:34 cait hm maybe a manually entered one? 09:34 magnuse i'm seeing some crazy values for borrowers.debarred, like 2133-06-25. anyone else seen that? the library does have rules using debarrments for 0, 10, 30 and days, but 100+ years is a looong time... 09:09 cait trying to keept rack of the discussion, but i think i am int he club with indradg 09:08 Joubu We need more participants, to get more ideas :) 09:08 cait ah ok, mailing list goes to a separate email, will check later! 09:06 Joubu cait: yes, I already had a look. I still disagree. See my last answer on the ml thread 09:04 cait Joubu: did you get a chance to look at kyle's code yet? i tried... but not sure i get it 09:04 cait i guess finding the answer is not so easy :) 08:56 Joubu indradg: the discussion is quite easy, and magnuse resumed it quite well. 08:42 magnuse my take on it: we need a database abstraction. the question is if dbic is enough of an abstraction in itself (which means we can use dbic directly in .pl scripts), or if we need another abstraction on top of dbic (which means we should only use dbic in .pm files) 08:36 ashimema I think allot of us are rather confused regarding the dbic debate 08:34 indradg ashimema: heh 08:34 ashimema join the club indradg 08:33 indradg Joubu: more I keep reading the DBIC thread... more confused I keep getting :P 08:33 cait :) 08:32 indradg Joubu: ping 08:26 magnuse cait: "hallais" is very informal way of saying hello in norwegian 08:21 wahanui rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 08:21 cait packages 07:54 akafred morning magnuse 07:54 wahanui cait: I forgot hello 07:54 cait forget hello 07:54 wahanui hello is probably it possible to install koha on debian wheezy? or do i have to install debian squeeze 07:54 cait oh hello? 07:54 cait ? 07:53 magnuse hallais akafred 07:53 magnuse so it is 07:38 cait that's in 2 days 07:38 cait hm 07:37 magnuse ACTION: gmcharlt will ask about the meeting time on the list (cait, 15:48:22) 07:35 magnuse "Next meeting is going to take place on September 17th - time to be agreeed on on the mailing list" http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_community_irc_meeting.2014-08-14-15.15.html 07:31 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_16_September_2014 07:31 cait me neither wahanui 07:30 wahanui not sure cait is leistungsfähig 07:30 ashimema not sure cait. 07:30 indradg Good morning #koha 07:29 cait did we set a date for that? 07:29 cait hm the next general meeting is missing too 07:28 ashimema tanks cait 07:28 ashimema :) 07:28 cait how does one set a motd? 07:27 magnuse cait++ 07:27 cait ashimema: i will make the wiki page :) 07:24 sophie_m good morning #koha 07:24 sophie_m hello cait 07:24 cait hi sophie_m 07:21 Joubu hello cait, #koha 07:20 cait hi Joubu :) 07:20 fridolin hie cait 07:20 cait hi fridolin 07:16 wahanui gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons 07:16 cait h gaetan_B 07:16 gaetan_B hello 07:10 alex_a bonjour 07:09 reiveune hello 06:46 magnuse yup 06:45 ashimema that would be awesome ;) 06:45 ashimema So yeah.. I wondered if there were any plans for some google hangouts or similar for any of the hackfest chats 06:45 magnuse good plan 06:44 ashimema we could get signoff/qa's done whilst your out ;) 06:44 dcook I think I'll be on Crete 06:44 magnuse us stay behind wuropeans can solve all the easy bugs before the hackfesters start their day ;-) 06:44 ashimema cait.. might work perfect.. 06:44 dcook October 6 - 13.. 06:44 magnuse yeah, some overlap 06:44 cait o, have to run, bbiab 06:44 * cait crosses fingers :) 06:43 magnuse ashimema++ 06:43 cait hm not ideal, but some overlap 06:43 dcook Which days is it again? 06:43 ashimema am giong to attempt to pursuade the boss to let Alex and I work purely on koha stuff during those days ;() 06:43 magnuse soo... 10 am there will be 3 pm here 06:43 cait i hope we can work on some bigger things this week 06:43 ashimema I'm mostly interesting in partaking on the hackfest days.. 06:43 cait i hope people will be around for the hackfest online 06:42 ashimema yup 06:42 dcook I keep forgetting about Kohacon14... hope everyone (who is going) enjoys it 06:42 magnuse gmt -3 06:42 cait +- 1 for ashimema 06:42 cait 5 hours from here it seems 06:42 magnuse yup, looks like 5 hours 06:42 cait hm around 5? *checks* 06:42 ashimema i.e. anything being videoed etc 06:42 magnuse what's the time difference? 06:41 ashimema anyone know if there are any plans for any online participation in kohacon14? 06:41 cait good you don't have to leave home to get to work :) 06:41 cait lol 06:41 ashimema they're not joking when they say fog.. I can't see the house accross the street 06:41 cait hm i think i will keep my weather 06:41 magnuse just 3 weeks until kohacon14, eh? 06:41 ashimema oh.. my weather station appears to be back up and running ;) 06:40 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 13.0°C (7:30 AM BST on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 06:40 ashimema @wunder stevenage,uk 06:39 magnuse that's not too hot :-) 06:39 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 11.7°C (3:35 AM ART on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling). 06:39 cait @wunder Cordoba, Argentina 06:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (6:30 PM NZST on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). 06:39 magnuse @wunder wellington, nz 06:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 18.2°C (8:36 AM CEST on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 06:38 magnuse @wunder marseille 06:38 magnuse yeah, chilly here today 06:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady). 06:38 magnuse @wunder boo 06:36 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.4°C (8:35 AM CEST on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 06:36 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:35 cait :) 06:35 cait maybe i was sneakily trying to get someone make one... 06:34 cait heh 06:34 ashimema don'#t thin that's been done yet. 06:34 ashimema good point.. we aught to have a wiki page 06:34 ashimema Yes.. 06:33 cait hm we have a dev meeting tomorrow? 06:30 dcook cait: Yeah, I think that will probably what will happen with me. Hehe. 06:29 cait and then... i got used to it 06:29 cait i thnk it was just too much trouble for me to not use it 06:29 dcook I use Debian on my desktop and used Lubuntu on my netbook, but this laptop is quite a bit more powerful, so could probably handle full Ubuntu 06:27 dcook I might give it a whirl for a little bit. 06:27 ashimema me too magnuse 06:25 magnuse felt like it might be good on a tablet, though 06:25 magnuse i can't even remember what i didn't like, just that i found it annoying 06:24 * cait uses it 06:24 cait hm 06:21 * magnuse tried unity, gave up on it 06:14 dcook Mmm 06:14 dcook Just annoying as? ;) 06:14 ashimema I just hated it on multi-monitor 06:14 ashimema Yeah.. Unity didn't give me any crashes.. 06:14 dcook As I imagine it'll be the best supported. 06:14 dcook Weird. I think I might give Unity a bit of a try. 06:13 ashimema probably 14.04.01 actually 06:13 dcook Mmm 06:13 ashimema Ubuntu Gnome Edition, 14.04 I think. 06:13 dcook Hmm, now whether or not to test my Windows recovery... 06:12 dcook ashimema: You use Ubuntu? What version? 06:12 dcook I've found it better latley 06:12 dcook I used to have bad times with Google Chrome 06:12 dcook Mmm 06:11 cait hmpf? 06:11 ashimema I get a crash say once every 3 or 4 days.. 06:11 ashimema but it's not enough of an annoyance to move away. 06:11 ashimema which happen to be my main fongic.. 06:11 ashimema I find it's the mix of google chrome and gone shalle with dual displays that hurts me.. 06:10 dcook No random crashes or freezes though I don't think 06:10 dcook Mmm, I've only tried with one monitor so far I Think 06:09 ashimema if I on;y use one moniotr all the issues go away.. 06:09 * cait waves 06:08 ashimema and my main monitor has window drag issues. 06:08 magnuse hiya dcook and ashimema and cait and #koha 06:08 ashimema I have random crashes/freezes now and then.. 06:08 dcook Mmm, could be. 06:08 ashimema I tihnk it's probably my graphics setup to be honest. 06:08 dcook I don't think I've had any issues so far. At least not on Debian. 06:08 dcook Oh yeah? 06:07 ashimema Though it's not as 100% bombproof stable as I would like. 06:07 dcook yo magnuse 06:07 ashimema I just find it does what I want, and gets out of the way 06:06 ashimema :) 06:06 dcook (obviously hey ashimema :P) 06:06 dcook hey cait 06:06 dcook ashimema: I'm a fan of Gnome as well :) 06:05 ashimema I couldn't get on with Unity dcook.. gnome shell all th way for me ;) 06:01 ashimema morning 05:03 dcook I imagine it is probably the most well supported UI 05:03 dcook Perhaps it takes time to grow on a person 04:54 eythian I find it pretty good to use, mostly that it just stays out of my way and does what it's supposed to. 04:45 dcook Man...this UI is a bit irksome 04:45 dcook Unlike Unity 04:44 wizzyrea I finally... no, today has been alright. 04:44 dcook I finally managed to get the wifi hard block off. Yay! 04:40 eythian finally, I have a sodding build of master working 04:34 eythian bars, but yeah 04:34 dcook So brownie with kit-kat chunks? 04:34 * dcook just bought a new laptop, so naturally the first thing he plans to do is put Ubuntu on it 04:34 eythian exactly as the name implies 04:33 * dcook drools 04:33 dcook kit-kat brownie? 04:33 dcook Yay, 64bit success! 04:33 dcook Kept crashing though 04:33 eythian oh hey, forgotten kit-kat brownie, excellent! 04:33 dcook You'd think so 04:33 eythian it should 04:33 dcook Who knew... 04:33 dcook Hmm, turns out that trying a 32bit LiveUSB on a 64bit machine doesn't work too well. 04:31 wizzyrea lol. 04:31 wahanui OK, eythian. 04:31 eythian wahanui: code monkey is <reply>http://imgur.com/qItTmcp 04:31 wahanui OK, eythian. 04:31 eythian wahanui: web developer is <reply>Like that Tim Berners-Lee Guy|<reply>http://uber.geek.nz/webdeveloper.jpg 02:09 cjh that is neat. 02:09 rangi *nod* 02:09 eythian in fact, pretty much ideal 02:09 eythian oh yes, that's good. 02:08 rangi In general, your tests shouldn't produce warnings. This modules causes any warnings to be captured and stored. It automatically adds an extra test that will run when your script ends to check that there were no warnings. If there were any warings, the test will give a "not ok" and diagnostics of where, when and what the warning was, including a stack trace of what was going on when the it occurred. 02:08 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Test-NoWarnings-1.04/lib/Test/NoWarnings.pm or that 02:07 eythian yeah 02:06 rangi wouldnt be hard to make jenkins do that 02:06 rangi we should 02:06 eythian http://perldoc.perl.org/warnings.html#Fatal-Warnings <-- we should do this on test cases. 02:03 rangi that accidentally works 02:03 rangi probably just a typo 02:02 rangi cos a @ would fix that 02:02 rangi and its just lazy 02:02 wizzyrea wow wahanui really called that one didn't he. 02:02 rangi but not in whatever is in squeeze 02:02 rangi or maybe 5.20 02:02 eythian ah 02:02 rangi its a perl 5.18 experimental thing 02:02 rangi we shouldnt use it 02:01 eythian it does eat babies 02:01 rangi exactly 02:01 wahanui But it also eats babies. 02:01 rangi it works 02:01 rangi keys on reference is experimental at t/Templates.t line 43. 02:00 eythian t/Templates.t 01:59 rangi what test is that? 01:59 rangi yeah 01:59 rangi hmmm 01:59 eythian (given $colums is a hashref, not a hash) 01:59 eythian "@keys = sort keys $columns;" should always fail though, unless there's some new syntax thing I don't know about. 01:58 rangi and running trusty or something 01:58 rangi with databases 01:58 rangi most people run them on their dev box 01:58 eythian It's possible. 01:58 rangi i suspect that you and are are some of the few left that do tests on clean systems 01:58 eythian but one is a plain syntax error, and the other is a test that requires the database. 01:58 eythian squeeze, yeah 01:57 rangi but there is somethng broken with the squeeze test machine, so that there are too many false positives 01:56 * wizzyrea imagines eythian playing whack a mole 01:56 rangi cos yes tests are failing on jenkins too 01:55 rangi building on squeeze eh? 01:50 cjh :( 01:49 eythian man, does no one run test cases properly these days? I'm just playing whack-a-mole with test case failures trying to get a new master package to build. 01:47 wizzyrea later :) 01:46 mtompset Have a great day, #koha eythian wizzyrea rangi ibeardslee papa dcook etc. :) 01:45 mtompset Such love. ;) 01:45 mtompset eythian: An "I told you so"?! 01:26 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 01:26 eythian @later tell tcohen that'll never work, keys requires a hash, not a hashref. 01:25 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 01:25 eythian @later tell tcohen oh hey, that thing I was blaming you for seems to actually be your fault :) "4c2467d4 (Tomás Cohen Arazi 2014-08-06 14:22:23 -0300 43) my @keys = sort keys $columns;" 01:24 huginn eythian: tcohen was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 48 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <tcohen> :-D 01:24 eythian @seen tcohen 00:51 * mtompset is listening to #bgfest www.festivalofhope.ca (Michael W. Smith is performing). 00:50 mtompset Thanks for the bug fix appreciation, wizzyrea. :)