Time  Nick       Message
22:10 eythian    bye cait
22:10 eythian    hi cait
22:10 wahanui    goodnight cait. You'll be back.
22:10 cait       night all
22:10 * cait     waves at eythian
22:09 huginn     eythian: The operation succeeded.
22:09 eythian    @later tell tcohen it should have appeared as a warning. We should start using this: http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Test-NoWarnings-1.04/lib/Test/NoWarnings.pm in test cases to catch that kind of thing.
22:07 wahanui    bonjour, eythian
22:07 eythian    hi
21:22 francharb  thanks!
21:21 cait       youtoo
21:21 francharb  have a good evening cait
21:21 francharb  it will but it's time to rest!
21:21 cait       hope it goes away
21:21 cait       same here today
21:21 cait       oh
21:21 francharb  ahah
21:21 francharb  I spent the day with a headache and computer work doesnt help!
21:20 francharb  but it will be tomorrow!
21:20 francharb  thanks for the wiki page, I'm going to read it and do a couple of checks!
21:19 francharb  ok
21:19 cait       we are moving to it yes
21:19 francharb  cait, but it's the default setting now, right?
21:19 cait       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MRenvoize/zebra
21:19 cait       maybe you can find some info here
21:18 cait       i think the xml xsl in the same directory... but i haven't taken a closer look at dom config so far :(
21:17 francharb  ok. do you know what is the dom equivalent?
21:17 cait       i am cetain about that
21:17 cait       yes
21:17 francharb  cait, record.abs is just for grs?
21:17 cait       dom is a  ibt of a blind spot for me still
21:17 cait       hm not totally sure either
21:17 francharb  I never actually pay attention to this, so I'm not sure how it works
21:16 francharb  I dont have the reference to dom-config.xml
21:16 francharb  but but, zebra-biblios.cfg doesnt seem complete...
21:14 cait       hm you can ignore record.abs then
21:14 francharb  cait, koha-conf says "dom"
21:11 francharb  let me see if I can see it
21:11 francharb  I dont know
21:11 francharb  good question
21:11 cait       ah are you using dom or grs-1 indexing?
21:11 francharb  thanks! ;)
21:11 cait       you don't seem to be
21:11 francharb  ;)
21:11 francharb  but :), I'm not crazy
21:10 francharb  ok :(
21:10 francharb  but with ln=fre, the records I found have 041$a = fre
21:10 cait       francharb: it doesn't work for me iether
21:09 francharb  cait, the records I'm looking for have 008 35/3 = fre but no 041$a
21:08 wahanui    well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:08 cait       hm interesting
21:08 francharb  yes
21:08 cait       francharb: does ln=fre work in a keyword search?
21:07 cait       one for unimarc too
21:07 cait       ah, there are multiple :)
21:07 francharb  ;)
21:07 huginn     04Bug 7586: normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, CLOSED FIXED, Search: Language restriction does  NOT show expected results (no items shown)
21:07 francharb  cait, I guess here is the bug you are refering to : http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7586
21:06 cait       i will try and catalog a record in my installation sec
21:06 francharb  I removed the rtrn, it doesnt work either...
21:06 cait       hm
21:06 francharb  ln,rtrn=fre
21:06 francharb  http://koha.vaniercollege.qc.ca/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=inde&op=and&idx=kw&q=&op=and&idx=kw&q=&limit-yr=&limit=ln%2Crtrn%3Afre&limit=&sort_by=pubdate_dsc&limit=&limit=&limit=&limit=&do=Rechercher
21:06 francharb  sure
21:05 francharb  ;)
21:05 francharb  I found the budg
21:05 cait       can you share a search link?
21:05 francharb  in 2012
21:05 cait       i think we had some trouble there in the past
21:05 francharb  yes
21:05 cait       did you chck the codes match?
21:05 francharb  I used the search page
21:04 francharb  cait, yes, marc21
21:04 cait       hm marc21? how are you searching for the language code?
21:04 francharb  wizzyrea, I think this library import record and doesn't change this value
21:02 wizzyrea   (of course, not everyone has it that way)
21:02 wizzyrea   or someone at some point had records that had language in the 041, and thought "well everyone has it this way I'll change it"
21:02 wizzyrea   someone at some point thought it was too tricky to encode it in the 008?
21:01 francharb  Any idea?
21:01 francharb  I don't get why the index doesn't contain the 008 value.
21:01 francharb  record.abs gives me melm 041$a      ln
21:00 francharb  on the other hand, if the language code is in 041$a, it works
21:00 francharb  but I can't find the record if I limit the search by language
20:59 francharb  hi all, I have a record with the correct language code in 008, record.abs gives me melm 008 ln:w:range(data,35,3) so I guess the index is correctly built
19:56 rangi      heh
19:56 tcohen     \o/
19:56 tcohen     s/o//
19:55 tcohen     hi rangio
19:55 cait       morning rangi
19:54 rangi      morning
19:42 cait       bye khall_away
19:42 cait       ok
19:40 khall      gotta run. later all!
19:37 khall      that could be very different depending on the outcome of our dbic discussion. I don't think we can nail down anything just yet
19:36 cait       but my impression was that we were looking for something written with best practice or so
19:35 cait       yep, i will add it again
19:35 khall      but should be discussed during the meeting
19:35 khall      I think the discussion is still ongoing
19:35 cait       we haven't added anything to the coding guidelines yet
19:34 cait       I was looking at the items from last time
19:34 cait       agenda is here
19:34 khall      is it on the wiki? can you give me a link?
19:33 cait       khall: working with tcohen on the agenda for tomorrow - did you find something about dbic conventions for the coding guidelines?
19:18 cait       but can we also include sloths?
19:18 cait       hm good point
19:17 khall      heh, don't tell nengard that!
19:17 cait       khall: i don't agree about the dogs ;)
19:00 cait       :)
18:59 oleonard   Gotta run, but I'll check the logs to see if anyone has suggestions for improvement
18:59 tcohen     jcamins: ubuntu 14.04 ships with 5.18
18:59 oleonard   3.16 release notes say "Perl 5.10 is required"
18:58 jcamins    While "too old" does sound a bit better, I feel like we can call Perl 5.8 "obsolete."
18:58 jcamins    Unless 5.18.0 has been released, in which case the oldest supported version is 5.16.
18:57 jcamins    oleonard: because the oldest supported version of Perl is Perl 5.14.
18:57 cait       it's in the release notes i think
18:57 oleonard   jcamins: I don't know, I'm just the front-end guy ;)
18:57 oleonard   "is too old" sounds better to me, and sounds technically more accurate
18:57 jcamins    oleonard: do we still only require Perl 5.10?
18:56 cait       maybe... is too old... we recommend.... ?
18:56 oleonard   It's part of the web installer
18:56 cait       hm where does it appear?
18:55 oleonard   Is "Your Perl version seems to be obsolete" the best way to say that? "Out of date" perhaps? Or is obsolete technically correct?
18:46 huginn     New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12918: fix failing test case <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a63c17f79d63bcdb669b74b084b83b65295d246> / Bug 12870 - require a higher version of Test::Simple <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=692e0572e1a1f96412ac665d090ccb08cd4b9132>
18:42 cait       just thinking about it is work
18:42 cait       oleonard++ :)
18:41 cait       probably... go back to the command line? no idea :)
18:34 oleonard   We don't offer any suggestions.
18:33 oleonard   What do you do if it *isn't* correct?
18:33 oleonard   In "Step 2" (actually step 3) of the web installer it says "Please click 'Next' to continue if this information is correct"
18:31 oleonard   No idea.
18:30 tcohen     oleonard: can we do it in a 6-month cycle?
18:18 oleonard   So... we have an installer template called "step1.tt" which encompasses two steps. Tricky.
18:15 oleonard   ...but having a staff client that was more usable on mobile would be pretty cool.
18:15 oleonard   I foresee a long long period in which the old and new grid systems are both in place and pages are updated one by one
18:14 oleonard   Settle down guys, I'm only pondering vaguely how we would have to go about it
18:11 * magnuse  cheers oleonard on too
17:47 cait       hi #koha
17:45 * mtompset cheers oleonard on in his "procrastination". :)
17:44 oleonard   YUI won't be COMPLETELY DEAD until we get rid of the YUI grid. (and update basket groups)
17:44 mtompset   Greetings, cait. :)
17:43 mtompset   You are contemplating bootstrap for the staff client too?! :)
17:42 oleonard   I must be procrastinating if I'm asking myself questions like "How would we go about changing the staff client's CSS grid system?
17:32 magnuse    all my zebra logs (/var/log/koha/*/zebra*.log) are empty - any way to increase the verbosity?
17:15 gaetan_B   bye!
16:44 mtompset   Frequently, oleonard.
16:16 oleonard   Anyone else seeing mailing list traffic moving slowly? I just now got some Bugzilla update emails from hours ago.
16:13 bag        yup
16:12 oleonard   YUI is officially dead. We did well ditching it when we did.
16:08 cait       bye all
16:06 druthb     hiyas, bag
16:06 bag        heya cait and druthb
16:05 huginn     druthb: 1, "rebasing_patches_for_2_years": 1, "--": 1, "-/----": 1, "--//": 1, and "https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Pabell%C3%B3n+Argentina+-+Haya+de+la+Torre,+C%C3%B3rdoba,+Argentina/Manzana+Jesu%C3%ADtica+": 1
16:05 druthb     @more
16:05 * cait     gives up on ie for today
16:05 huginn     druthb: "-": 9, "^": 7, "ie": 7, "MARC": 5, "<-": 5, "indexdata": 3, "yui": 3, "css": 3, "windchill": 3, "regressions": 2, "<---": 2, "-rw-r---": 2, "overdues": 2, "failed": 2, "people_who_use_windows_xp_past_april_8": 2, "windows": 2, "Microfilm": 2, "http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=SSSSSu7zK1fslxtUm8_9m82Uev7qe1%207zHvTSevTSeSSSSSS": 1, "+<!": 1, "scheduling_things_with_more_than_two_people": (1 more message)
16:05 druthb     @most decreased
16:04 huginn     druthb: "gmcharlt": 138, "cait": 134, "oleonard": 87, "eythian": 85, "tcohen": 81, "Joubu": 72, "ashimema": 69, "rangi": 63, "khall": 56, "bgkriegel": 45, "magnuse": 37, "dcook": 27, "fridolin": 26, "jcamins": 25, "wizzyrea": 23, "marcelr": 23, "pianohacker": 21, "bag": 20, "mveron": 16, "dpavlin": 15, "Viktor": 13, "mtompset": 12, "paul_p": 11, "yohann": 10, and "biblibre": 10
16:04 druthb     @most increased
16:04 huginn     druthb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (138), "cait" (134), and "oleonard" (87).  Lowest karma: "-" (-9), "^" (-7), and "ie" (-7).  You (druthb) are ranked 28 out of 270.
16:04 druthb     @karma
15:50 druthb     cait++ #it's monday.
15:47 cait       IE--
15:22 cait       good testing
15:22 cait       paola++
15:00 reiveune   bye
14:29 oleonard   Ah well, if someone wants to sign on with a vendor who says they support Koha but actually sell a closed fork I guess that's their business, even if they don't know any better.
14:28 jeff       i don't actively participate in that list, so i'm not likely to respond.
14:27 oleonard   jeff: The person posting the question may know the identity of the vendor, but it may not be a vendor who actually supports Koha.
14:24 oleonard   jeff: Will you be responding?
14:23 * oleonard is not surprised
14:23 cait       ah, no public archive
14:22 cait       oh
14:21 jeff       OCLC-CAT
14:20 cait       jeff: which mailing list was that?
14:18 cait       :( maybe a link to the support provider list would be in order then?
14:14 jeff       Since the person has an address ending in .GOV, I'm going to assume I know the identity of the vendor in question.
14:14 jeff       I probably shouldn't be amused.
14:13 mtompset   User education is difficult. We probably shouldn't be amused by the lack of understanding.
14:09 * jeff     is amused
14:09 jeff       ``Please answer this question on list.  We just recently spoke to the salesmen from Koha and are considering using it.''
13:50 mtompset   ^but^my^
13:49 mtompset   Just to note, but comment about failing on 5.14 is not a comment on the patch, but the version of perl tcohen should be using. :)
13:24 tcohen     =D
13:24 cait       tcohen will be happy
13:24 cait       thx .)
13:23 khall      done! easy qa on that one ; )
13:19 khall      will do!
13:19 cait       then i will probably stop bugging you for today :)
13:18 cait       could you qa 12918?
13:18 khall      thanks!
13:18 cait       i will put a link
13:18 khall      cait: not sure where that should be filed, can you take care of that?
13:17 khall      cait, I just filed a followup to use EncodeUTF8
13:17 cait       khall: maybe we should create a link so Joubu notices?
13:17 cait       khall: i wonder if the follow up needs to be taken into account for the utf-8 patches?
13:16 cait       oleonard: i think running the test file with prove it should pass
13:15 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen
13:15 oleonard   Bug 12892's unit test patch doesn't have a test plan
13:14 cait       oleonard++ :)
13:00 cait       nah, it is
13:00 cait       not sure if the RM signing them off is valid :P
12:59 tcohen     i will
12:59 khall      maybe tcohen could spare a moment to sign them off?
12:59 cait       so would be good if we got that all ready for tcohen and gmcharlt
12:59 khall      indeed
12:58 cait       because it's in 3.16.3
12:58 cait       khall: i think we erally need to fix those - the ajax related bugs
12:58 khall      good ; )
12:58 cait       khall: it starts to make sense again :)
12:56 khall      yep
12:56 cait       so right now we need a signoff for the waiting bug (12892 prio 1) and this follow-up 12920
12:55 khall      12920 isn't critical either. It's just cleanup to follow current guidelines
12:55 cait       ok
12:55 khall      yep, it's all good
12:54 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12811 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Passed QA , Patron 'Details' and 'Check out' pages not working properly for staff users which don't have renewal override permissions
12:54 khall      so bug 12811 is good and ready to but pushed, bug 12920 depends on it and needs sign-off.
12:54 cait       ok
12:54 cait       aah so the follow up is for that
12:53 khall      the comment was that my switch to Koha.Preference was incomplete, I filed a new bug with that bug being a blocker for it
12:52 cait       we only got one in pqa, but with a comment from jacek that it is incomplete... could you take a look at that one?
12:52 mtompset   http://youtu.be/F7952B8oLmE -- Beatles HELP! :)
12:51 khall      lol, those three bugs fix the same thing
12:50 cait       help?! :)
12:50 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12915 critical, P1 - high, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable [3.16.x], AllowRenewalLimitOverride crashes datatable
12:50 cait       and bug 12915
12:50 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12878 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Not having the permission circulate_override_renewals triggers error that prevents checkouts table from loading
12:50 cait       bug 12878
12:50 cait       hm no
12:50 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12920 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Remove AllowRenewalLimitOverride from pl scripts, use Koha.Preference instead
12:50 cait       we also got bug 12920
12:50 cait       jacek left a comment there, but i am highly confused by now
12:49 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12811 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Passed QA , Patron 'Details' and 'Check out' pages not working properly for staff users which don't have renewal override permissions
12:49 cait       is it bug 12811?
12:49 cait       khall: you said there is a third one, wondering where it's hiding :)
12:48 tcohen     cait++
12:48 khall      do you have a bug number?
12:48 cait       khall: any chance you can find the other duplicate for the javascript error? I am trying to untangle the ajax related bugs a bit :)
12:40 fridolin   see u
12:37 cait       i wondered it seemed unrelated at first
12:36 cait       oki
12:36 cait       ah
12:36 khall      cait: the holds loop was removed when we ajaxified the holds table. That loop was partly used for the holds waiting list as well
12:35 cait       could you tell how it broke? it looks like we need to add back quite a bit of code
12:35 cait       thx :)
12:34 khall      let me know when you want to and I can do that
12:34 cait       must not be right now, just interested to understand  a bit more
12:34 cait       what it does in the modules?
12:34 cait       khall: maybe you can walk me through the solution sometime?
12:33 khall      cait: I'll work on a unit test right now ; )
12:33 tcohen     he will
12:33 khall      oleonard: might you have a moment to test bug 12892?
12:32 cait       tcohen might ask for unit tests
12:32 khall      should be an easy sign-off and qa
12:32 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen
12:32 khall      cait: I've submitted a new patch for bug 12892
12:31 cait       khall++
12:29 cait       ah ther eit is
12:29 huginn     tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:29 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12899 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Row grouping in checkouts table is alphabetical and layout depends on words chosen in translation
12:29 tcohen     @later tell eythian good catch, it was working on my box (perl 5.18) so I overlooked it
12:29 wahanui    bug 12899 is ready for another look
12:29 cait       bug 12899
12:27 oleonard   Bug 12899 is ready for another look
12:27 magnuse    $1 before $a
12:27 magnuse    gah
12:27 mtompset   -- what you were blaming tcohen for. :)
12:27 * magnuse  is sometimes amazed that noone is complaining loudly about numeric subfields being displayed before alphabetic fields (e.g. $1 before $0) in the cataloguing form
12:26 wahanui    signed off is the queue the QA team should watch
12:26 mtompset   eythian: Signed off.
12:26 mtompset   Greetings, #koha.
12:25 tcohen     hi oleonard
12:25 tcohen     morning
12:24 oleonard   Yeah I've got a correction
12:23 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12899 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Row grouping in checkouts table is alphabetical and layout depends on words chosen in translation
12:23 magnuse    bug 12899?
12:13 oleonard   I think it failed QA though. I haven't had a chance to look at it again.
12:12 paxed      at least the moremember.pl table seems to sort with due_date desc, which should be asc.
12:12 khall      cait: owen submitted one
12:11 oleonard   paxed: I'm curious, how do you want it to sort?
12:11 cait       khall: hm do we have a patch yet for fixing the sorting?
12:10 khall      paxed: you'd need to be sure the datatable has loaded before executed any javascript to manipulate it. I can't think of any easy way to do that.
12:09 paxed      khall: so, how can i change the default sorting in the ajax table with jQuery in IntranetUserJS? i've tried everything easily googleable.
12:00 cait       but only for a few days now and they are new to Koha
12:00 cait       we have a library on 3.16.2
12:00 cait       it might :( not seen that and not keen to see it
11:59 * magnuse  kind of fears it's a normarc thing
11:59 magnuse    after upgrading from 3.14.x to 3.16.3 i have at least one instance where editing a record/adding items results in searches returning that record multiple times. so the same record is shown more than once in the results. reindexing fixes it. anyone else seen that?
11:55 cait       hi oleonard :)
11:55 oleonard   Hi everyone
11:54 khall      np!
11:54 cait       khall++ thx!
11:53 cait       magnuse: it's a one line change, i think picking it should work
11:48 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12883 major, P5 - low, ---, gmc, Pushed to Master , Holds tab on checkout screen never stops processing
11:48 * magnuse  hopes it will be easy for gmcharlt to cherrypick a patch for bug 12883
11:31 khall      cait: I'll take a look at both those
11:29 * cait     waves
11:27 cait       that's a really bad one for the circ desk
11:26 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Patch doesn't apply , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen
11:26 cait       i'd also love to see a fix for bug 12892
11:25 cait       it was already switched to signed off, that's why I tackled it and then I saw it had the wrong status
11:25 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12729 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Overdue items won't show as overdue in red in circulation
11:25 cait       bug 12729
11:25 cait       it hink we need them in 3.16 asap
11:25 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
11:25 khall      thanks!
11:25 cait       i#d like to give a bit of prio to teh bugs linked to bug 11703
11:24 cait       hm let me find it then :)
11:24 khall      looks like I've lost it : \
11:23 cait       hm i sent a later to khall_away :)
11:23 paxed      can i change the default sorting in the ajax table with jQuery in IntranetUserJS?
11:23 khall      bug number?
11:23 cait       the one for overdues showing in red
11:23 cait       could you maybe qa it?
11:23 cait       khall: i signed off ne of the patches from dobrica
11:17 khall      cait: that's what I figured
11:16 cait       khall: i insited you make it translatable in some way, i think the option for the placeholders was not there yet
11:15 cait       the patch was around, but probably not pushed yet
11:15 cait       i think it overlapped
11:15 paxed      as it is, the AJAX-table is impossible to translate in a way that would satisfy users.
11:14 paxed      in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/js/checkouts.js
11:13 paxed      title += " " + BY + " " + oObj.author;
11:13 paxed      title += " " + BY.replace( "_AUTHOR_",  " " + oObj.author );
11:13 khall      paxed: either this hadn't been pushed to master yet, or the qa'er didn't know about it at the time. Good to know for the future!
11:07 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
11:07 dexap      khall: re. bug 11703, there IS javascript interpolation, see commit 9e9088049c343cc86
10:20 magnuse    here too!
10:19 cait       lunch time :)
10:18 magnuse    cait++
10:10 magnuse    my $suspension_days = $deltadays * $finedays; http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Circulation.pm;h=55f0c2786eaca39c158eae8e84bb7d4c27d5e852;hb=HEAD#l2125
10:01 magnuse    yup, that looks about right
10:00 magnuse    14 days late x 30 days ~= 14 months
10:00 magnuse    with a "fine" of 30 days, i returned a book that was due on september 1st and got debarred until 09/11/2015
09:53 cait       magnuse: maybe run a quick test if we are right about that first?
09:53 cait       hm would be good that this will apply for each day the item is late
09:48 magnuse    "If your library 'fines' patrons by suspending their account you can enter the number of days their fine should be suspended in the 'Suspension in days' field" from http://manual.koha-community.org/3.16/en/patscirc.html#circfinerules
09:44 cait       to make it more clear
09:44 cait       i think the documentation could maybe be amended
09:44 magnuse    that is probably not how this library wanted it to work... ;-)
09:43 magnuse    cait: yeah, probably
09:40 cait       magnuse: would that explain the years? 30 * x days late?
09:40 cait       thx, we are not using the feature currently :)
09:39 Joubu      cait: yes, if I remember correctly, it works like that
09:36 cait       Joubu: do you know if that is right?
09:35 cait       i think if you return the book 3 days late, it might use 3*what is configured
09:35 cait       ok, that probably made no sense :)
09:35 cait       hm and the fines by date... i think it might be by day late
09:35 cait       what debar code does it have?
09:34 cait       hm maybe a manually entered one?
09:34 magnuse    i'm seeing some crazy values for borrowers.debarred, like 2133-06-25. anyone else seen that? the library does have rules using debarrments for 0, 10, 30 and days, but 100+ years is a looong time...
09:09 cait       trying to keept rack of the discussion, but i think i am int he club with indradg
09:08 Joubu      We need more participants, to get more ideas :)
09:08 cait       ah ok, mailing list goes to a separate email, will check later!
09:06 Joubu      cait: yes, I already had a look. I still disagree. See my last answer on the ml thread
09:04 cait       Joubu: did you get a chance to look at kyle's code yet? i tried... but not sure i get it
09:04 cait       i guess finding the answer is not so easy :)
08:56 Joubu      indradg: the discussion is quite easy, and magnuse resumed it quite well.
08:42 magnuse    my take on it: we need a database abstraction. the question is if dbic is enough of an abstraction in itself (which means we can use dbic directly in .pl scripts), or if we need another abstraction on top of dbic (which means we should only use dbic in .pm files)
08:36 ashimema   I think allot of us are rather confused regarding the dbic debate
08:34 indradg    ashimema: heh
08:34 ashimema   join the club indradg
08:33 indradg    Joubu: more I keep reading the DBIC thread... more confused I keep getting :P
08:33 cait       :)
08:32 indradg    Joubu: ping
08:26 magnuse    cait: "hallais" is very informal way of saying hello in norwegian
08:21 wahanui    rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
08:21 cait       packages
07:54 akafred    morning magnuse
07:54 wahanui    cait: I forgot hello
07:54 cait       forget hello
07:54 wahanui    hello is probably it possible to install koha on debian wheezy? or do i have to install debian squeeze
07:54 cait       oh hello?
07:54 cait       ?
07:53 magnuse    hallais akafred
07:53 magnuse    so it is
07:38 cait       that's in 2 days
07:38 cait       hm
07:37 magnuse    ACTION: gmcharlt will ask about the meeting time on the list (cait, 15:48:22)
07:35 magnuse    "Next meeting is going to take place on September 17th - time to be agreeed on on the mailing list" http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_community_irc_meeting.2014-08-14-15.15.html
07:31 cait       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_16_September_2014
07:31 cait       me neither wahanui
07:30 wahanui    not sure cait is leistungsfähig
07:30 ashimema   not sure cait.
07:30 indradg    Good morning #koha
07:29 cait       did we set a date for that?
07:29 cait       hm the next general meeting is missing too
07:28 ashimema   tanks cait
07:28 ashimema   :)
07:28 cait       how does one set a motd?
07:27 magnuse    cait++
07:27 cait       ashimema: i will make the wiki page :)
07:24 sophie_m   good morning #koha
07:24 sophie_m   hello cait
07:24 cait       hi sophie_m
07:21 Joubu      hello cait, #koha
07:20 cait       hi Joubu :)
07:20 fridolin   hie cait
07:20 cait       hi fridolin
07:16 wahanui    gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons
07:16 cait       h gaetan_B
07:16 gaetan_B   hello
07:10 alex_a     bonjour
07:09 reiveune   hello
06:46 magnuse    yup
06:45 ashimema   that would be awesome ;)
06:45 ashimema   So yeah.. I wondered if there were any plans for some google hangouts or similar for any of the hackfest chats
06:45 magnuse    good plan
06:44 ashimema   we could get signoff/qa's done whilst your out ;)
06:44 dcook      I think I'll be on Crete
06:44 magnuse    us stay behind wuropeans can solve all the easy bugs before the hackfesters start their day ;-)
06:44 ashimema   cait.. might work perfect..
06:44 dcook      October 6 - 13..
06:44 magnuse    yeah, some overlap
06:44 cait       o, have to run, bbiab
06:44 * cait     crosses fingers :)
06:43 magnuse    ashimema++
06:43 cait       hm not ideal, but some overlap
06:43 dcook      Which days is it again?
06:43 ashimema   am giong to attempt to pursuade the boss to let Alex and I work purely on koha stuff during those days ;()
06:43 magnuse    soo... 10 am there will be 3 pm here
06:43 cait       i hope we can work on some bigger things this week
06:43 ashimema   I'm mostly interesting in partaking on the hackfest days..
06:43 cait       i hope people will be around for the hackfest online
06:42 ashimema   yup
06:42 dcook      I keep forgetting about Kohacon14... hope everyone (who is going) enjoys it
06:42 magnuse    gmt -3
06:42 cait       +- 1 for ashimema
06:42 cait       5 hours from here it seems
06:42 magnuse    yup, looks like 5 hours
06:42 cait       hm around 5? *checks*
06:42 ashimema   i.e. anything being videoed etc
06:42 magnuse    what's the time difference?
06:41 ashimema   anyone know if there are any plans for any online participation in kohacon14?
06:41 cait       good you don't have to leave home to get to work :)
06:41 cait       lol
06:41 ashimema   they're not joking when they say fog.. I can't see the house accross the street
06:41 cait       hm i think i will keep my weather
06:41 magnuse    just 3 weeks until kohacon14, eh?
06:41 ashimema   oh.. my weather station appears to be back up and running ;)
06:40 huginn     ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 13.0°C (7:30 AM BST on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
06:40 ashimema   @wunder stevenage,uk
06:39 magnuse    that's not too hot :-)
06:39 huginn     cait: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 11.7°C (3:35 AM ART on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
06:39 cait       @wunder Cordoba, Argentina
06:39 huginn     magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (6:30 PM NZST on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
06:39 magnuse    @wunder wellington, nz
06:38 huginn     magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 18.2°C (8:36 AM CEST on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
06:38 magnuse    @wunder marseille
06:38 magnuse    yeah, chilly here today
06:38 huginn     magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady).
06:38 magnuse    @wunder boo
06:36 huginn     cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.4°C (8:35 AM CEST on September 15, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
06:36 cait       @wunder Konstanz
06:35 cait       :)
06:35 cait       maybe i was sneakily trying to get someone make one...
06:34 cait       heh
06:34 ashimema   don'#t thin that's been done yet.
06:34 ashimema   good point.. we aught to have a wiki page
06:34 ashimema   Yes..
06:33 cait       hm we have a dev meeting tomorrow?
06:30 dcook      cait: Yeah, I think that will probably what will happen with me. Hehe.
06:29 cait       and then... i got used to it
06:29 cait       i thnk it was just too much trouble for me to not use it
06:29 dcook      I use Debian on my desktop and used Lubuntu on my netbook, but this laptop is quite a bit more powerful, so could probably handle full Ubuntu
06:27 dcook      I might give it a whirl for a little bit.
06:27 ashimema   me too magnuse
06:25 magnuse    felt like it might be good on a tablet, though
06:25 magnuse    i can't even remember what i didn't like, just that i found it annoying
06:24 * cait     uses it
06:24 cait       hm
06:21 * magnuse  tried unity, gave up on it
06:14 dcook      Mmm
06:14 dcook      Just annoying as? ;)
06:14 ashimema   I just hated it on multi-monitor
06:14 ashimema   Yeah.. Unity didn't give me any crashes..
06:14 dcook      As I imagine it'll be the best supported.
06:14 dcook      Weird. I think I might give Unity a bit of a try.
06:13 ashimema   probably 14.04.01 actually
06:13 dcook      Mmm
06:13 ashimema   Ubuntu Gnome Edition, 14.04 I think.
06:13 dcook      Hmm, now whether or not to test my Windows recovery...
06:12 dcook      ashimema: You use Ubuntu? What version?
06:12 dcook      I've found it better latley
06:12 dcook      I used to have bad times with Google Chrome
06:12 dcook      Mmm
06:11 cait       hmpf?
06:11 ashimema   I get a crash say once every 3 or 4 days..
06:11 ashimema   but it's not enough of an annoyance to move away.
06:11 ashimema   which happen to be my main fongic..
06:11 ashimema   I find it's the mix of google chrome and gone shalle with dual displays that hurts me..
06:10 dcook      No random crashes or freezes though I don't think
06:10 dcook      Mmm, I've only tried with one monitor so far I Think
06:09 ashimema   if I on;y use one moniotr all the issues go away..
06:09 * cait     waves
06:08 ashimema   and my main monitor has window drag issues.
06:08 magnuse    hiya dcook and ashimema and cait and #koha
06:08 ashimema   I have random crashes/freezes now and then..
06:08 dcook      Mmm, could be.
06:08 ashimema   I tihnk it's probably my graphics setup to be honest.
06:08 dcook      I don't think I've had any issues so far. At least not on Debian.
06:08 dcook      Oh yeah?
06:07 ashimema   Though it's not as 100% bombproof stable as I would like.
06:07 dcook      yo magnuse
06:07 ashimema   I just find it does what I want, and gets out of the way
06:06 ashimema   :)
06:06 dcook      (obviously hey ashimema :P)
06:06 dcook      hey cait
06:06 dcook      ashimema: I'm a fan of Gnome as well :)
06:05 ashimema   I couldn't get on with Unity dcook.. gnome shell all th way for me ;)
06:01 ashimema   morning
05:03 dcook      I imagine it is probably the most well supported UI
05:03 dcook      Perhaps it takes time to grow on a person
04:54 eythian    I find it pretty good to use, mostly that it just stays out of my way and does what it's supposed to.
04:45 dcook      Man...this UI is a bit irksome
04:45 dcook      Unlike Unity
04:44 wizzyrea   I finally... no, today has been alright.
04:44 dcook      I finally managed to get the wifi hard block off. Yay!
04:40 eythian    finally, I have a sodding build of master working
04:34 eythian    bars, but yeah
04:34 dcook      So brownie with kit-kat chunks?
04:34 * dcook    just bought a new laptop, so naturally the first thing he plans to do is put Ubuntu on it
04:34 eythian    exactly as the name implies
04:33 * dcook    drools
04:33 dcook      kit-kat brownie?
04:33 dcook      Yay, 64bit success!
04:33 dcook      Kept crashing though
04:33 eythian    oh hey, forgotten kit-kat brownie, excellent!
04:33 dcook      You'd think so
04:33 eythian    it should
04:33 dcook      Who knew...
04:33 dcook      Hmm, turns out that trying a 32bit LiveUSB on a 64bit machine doesn't work too well.
04:31 wizzyrea   lol.
04:31 wahanui    OK, eythian.
04:31 eythian    wahanui: code monkey is <reply>http://imgur.com/qItTmcp
04:31 wahanui    OK, eythian.
04:31 eythian    wahanui: web developer is <reply>Like that Tim Berners-Lee Guy|<reply>http://uber.geek.nz/webdeveloper.jpg
02:09 cjh        that is neat.
02:09 rangi      *nod*
02:09 eythian    in fact, pretty much ideal
02:09 eythian    oh yes, that's good.
02:08 rangi      In general, your tests shouldn't produce warnings. This modules causes any warnings to be captured and stored. It automatically adds an extra test that will run when your script ends to check that there were no warnings. If there were any warings, the test will give a "not ok" and diagnostics of where, when and what the warning was, including a stack trace of what was going on when the it occurred.
02:08 rangi      http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Test-NoWarnings-1.04/lib/Test/NoWarnings.pm or that
02:07 eythian    yeah
02:06 rangi      wouldnt be hard to make jenkins do that
02:06 rangi      we should
02:06 eythian    http://perldoc.perl.org/warnings.html#Fatal-Warnings <-- we should do this on test cases.
02:03 rangi      that accidentally works
02:03 rangi      probably just a typo
02:02 rangi      cos a @ would fix that
02:02 rangi      and its just lazy
02:02 wizzyrea   wow wahanui really called that one didn't he.
02:02 rangi      but not in whatever is in squeeze
02:02 rangi      or maybe 5.20
02:02 eythian    ah
02:02 rangi      its a perl 5.18 experimental thing
02:02 rangi      we shouldnt use it
02:01 eythian    it does eat babies
02:01 rangi      exactly
02:01 wahanui    But it also eats babies.
02:01 rangi      it works
02:01 rangi      keys on reference is experimental at t/Templates.t line 43.
02:00 eythian    t/Templates.t
01:59 rangi      what test is that?
01:59 rangi      yeah
01:59 rangi      hmmm
01:59 eythian    (given $colums is a hashref, not a hash)
01:59 eythian    "@keys = sort keys $columns;" should always fail though, unless there's some new syntax thing I don't know about.
01:58 rangi      and running trusty or something
01:58 rangi      with databases
01:58 rangi      most people run them on their dev box
01:58 eythian    It's possible.
01:58 rangi      i suspect that you and are are some of the few left that do tests on clean systems
01:58 eythian    but one is a plain syntax error, and the other is a test that requires the database.
01:58 eythian    squeeze, yeah
01:57 rangi      but there is somethng broken with the squeeze test machine, so that there are too many false positives
01:56 * wizzyrea imagines eythian playing whack a mole
01:56 rangi      cos yes tests are failing on jenkins too
01:55 rangi      building on squeeze eh?
01:50 cjh        :(
01:49 eythian    man, does no one run test cases properly these days? I'm just playing whack-a-mole with test case failures trying to get a new master package to build.
01:47 wizzyrea   later :)
01:46 mtompset   Have a great day, #koha eythian wizzyrea rangi ibeardslee papa dcook etc. :)
01:45 mtompset   Such love. ;)
01:45 mtompset   eythian: An "I told you so"?!
01:26 huginn     eythian: The operation succeeded.
01:26 eythian    @later tell tcohen that'll never work, keys requires a hash, not a hashref.
01:25 huginn     eythian: The operation succeeded.
01:25 eythian    @later tell tcohen oh hey, that thing I was blaming you for seems to actually be your fault :) "4c2467d4 (Tomás Cohen Arazi 2014-08-06 14:22:23 -0300 43) my @keys = sort keys $columns;"
01:24 huginn     eythian: tcohen was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 48 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <tcohen> :-D
01:24 eythian    @seen tcohen
00:51 * mtompset is listening to #bgfest www.festivalofhope.ca (Michael W. Smith is performing).
00:50 mtompset   Thanks for the bug fix appreciation, wizzyrea. :)