Time Nick Message 23:22 * dcook really needs to remember to write up that talk at some point.. 23:22 dcook I like liking people! 23:22 dcook Oh? That's neat :) 23:21 wizzyrea bummer, you'd have liked each other I think. 23:20 dcook wizzyrea: Nope. Not even a little bit. Just seen his comments on Bugzilla and Git 23:20 dcook (Yet still responsive. Got good help there) 23:20 wizzyrea dcook did you ever have occasion to work much with sekjal? 23:20 dcook Although the Postgresql channel is rather busy 23:20 dcook So much that 23:20 dcook "lamenting how unresponsive everywhere-thats-not-#koha seems to be" 22:53 sekjal :) 22:53 talljoy i'm blowing out the door to pick up the teenager. (sekjal....they get there very quickly...just FYI) 22:52 talljoy very exciting!!! 22:52 talljoy baby countdown commences i see! 22:52 sekjal hi, talljoy! 22:52 talljoy hiya sekjal 22:50 bag sekjal++ 22:50 sekjal thanks, you too 22:50 bag whoops 22:50 bag be well man 22:50 sekjal later, bag! 22:50 huginn bag: I've exhausted my database of quotes 22:50 bag @sekjal++ 22:49 bag catch you later sekjal :) 22:49 sekjal less than 2 weeks to the due date 22:49 * bag was just running out the door 22:48 bag I see from the scrollback - pretty soon man 22:48 bag I was just thinking about you the other day 22:47 sekjal hey, bag! 22:47 bag heya sekjal 22:08 * sekjal was sad to miss KohaCon 2014… so close yet so far 22:07 wizzyrea teehee 22:07 sekjal obviously 22:07 wahanui i haven't a clue, sekjal 22:07 sekjal wahanui: take a check? 22:06 * wizzyrea pats wahanui 22:06 wahanui wizzyrea: huh? 22:06 wizzyrea oh, don't know if you met our resident snark bot, wahanui. 22:06 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, sekjal 22:06 sekjal awesome! 22:06 wizzyrea things gradually getting better, all the time :) 22:05 wizzyrea acquisitions is finally starting to make a bit of sense 22:05 wizzyrea and we now have borrower lists, and borrower attributes (basically user definable borrower fields) 22:05 wizzyrea that was pretty neat 22:05 wizzyrea we just did an ajax circ 22:05 wizzyrea well there's always stuff coming 22:03 wizzyrea hmm 22:01 sekjal any fun developments in the pipeline lately? or new community pushes/initiatives? 22:01 wizzyrea http://gifshost.com/112011/1321036635_cat_wants_attention.gif < kinda like that 22:00 sekjal truly 22:00 wizzyrea boo for them, yay for us :) 21:58 sekjal I was just in another IRC channel trying to get help for an application I'm writing, and was lamenting how unresponsive everywhere-thats-not-#koha seems to be 21:57 wizzyrea that's how excited we are to see you :) 21:57 wizzyrea https://33.media.tumblr.com/aff465c27e808e4b01ead3891e86f0da/tumblr_mus7djXfmK1sc9rdlo1_400.gif 21:57 sekjal yup, hospital duffle is ready to go 21:57 wizzyrea doin pretty well :) 21:57 wizzyrea you've got the bags packed right :P 21:57 sekjal how're you? 21:56 sekjal :) 21:55 wizzyrea oh my gosh. 21:54 sekjal 6 work days left before going on leave 21:54 sekjal its really exciting 21:54 wizzyrea Squee! 21:54 sekjal getting very very close to becoming a dad 21:53 sekjal I'm well 21:53 wizzyrea how are you! 21:53 sekjal hi, wizzyrea! 21:53 wizzyrea sekjal! 21:53 wizzyrea ! 21:50 sekjal hi, eythian 21:48 eythian hi 20:20 cait np, hope it can be fixed fast :) 20:20 tgoat thanks cait! 20:20 cait tgoat: wrong window? :) 20:20 tgoat bywater .. just got a call from siskiyou county. There down! 20:20 cait a blank line at the end might help 20:20 cait hm if marjorie comes back 20:12 rangi no one is disputing that its not a DB abstraction layer, but some are saying that we should follow the same rules no dbi stuff in .pl .. no dbix stuff in .pl too 20:11 rangi hmm i think people are talking past each other with the DBIx thing 20:07 * indradg goes to read irc logs 19:50 marjorie rangi: thanks. i put location:[CODE] in sys pref but it does not work and i don't know why. 19:47 rangi marjorie: not that ive heard reported 19:47 rangi morning 19:47 rangi i can get it back if you want (the stats page that is) 19:31 ashimema https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/module/filter-cache-extend 19:27 ashimema if you have qp turned on.. it doesn't work ;) 19:25 ashimema https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/module 19:25 ashimema this is one of the things mod_pagespeed does, or did ? 19:25 marjorie hi, is anyone having trouble with opachiddenitems since 3.12 19:22 ashimema I've been thinking similar thoughts on having some sort of versioning on with your stylesheets, and had simlarly had issues with using a query appended.. 19:21 ashimema oleonard, i'm glad you raised that.. 17:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Force browser to load new javascript files after upgrade 17:57 oleonard ...since Bug 12904 has got me thinking about caching, expiration, etc. 17:53 oleonard https://github.com/h5bp/server-configs-apache 17:06 wnickc thanks 17:05 jcamins I believe so, yeah. 17:05 wnickc jcamins: and -intra is default suffix, right? 17:03 wnickc Ah, I am going to update that line 17:01 jcamins wnickc: no, the defaults are 80 with packages. 17:01 wnickc jcamins: Just a question about those instructions, they say default ports are 80 for OPAC and 8080 for staff, maybe I missed soemthing, but when I set up my VM recently both seemed to be default to 80, did i miss something? 16:56 jcamins agbolo: ^^ those are good instructions. Good luck! 16:56 wahanui somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 16:56 jcamins packages? 16:55 agbolo please can someone help 16:54 agbolo i cannot solve this pending perl modules TEmplate::Plugin::HtmlToText , Local::Maketest , Locale::Maketext::Lexicon and MARC::Record 16:54 agbolo TEmplate::Plugin::HtmlToText , Local::Maketest , Locale::Maketext::Lexicon and MARC::Record 16:53 agbolo i dont know if i have the right files 16:53 agbolo i am stack on some package installation 16:53 agbolo hello team 16:20 bag hmm I don't think so oleonard 16:15 oleonard I wonder if rangi's old IRC stats page is still running somewhere 16:05 fridolin1 bye all 15:57 Joubu bye #koha 15:44 gaetan_B bye 15:44 kivilahtio ok 15:44 oleonard No 15:43 kivilahtio do I remember wrong but couldn't you set circulatin rules by ccode? 15:36 oleonard kivilahtio: Around 50 at last count, which isn't problematic for us. 15:35 kivilahtio only ccode 15:35 kivilahtio maybe we could use ccode for circulation 15:35 cait sorry have to run 15:34 kivilahtio oleonard: that is one extra select dropdown when items are added 15:34 kivilahtio oleonard: you need to set a lot of collection codes 15:34 cait ^^ 15:33 oleonard kivilahtio: For what it's worth, at my library we use itemtype only for setting circ policy and use collection codes for tracking statistics on specific collections. 15:33 cait i think we have even alibrary where itemtypes are 7-days 14-days etc. 15:33 kivilahtio so in addition to itemtype we would set the collection code and use that for circulation checks 15:33 cait or you could move those into the collection fied 15:33 cait and dvd would be in the record - material type 15:32 cait kivilahtio: we use short loan, long term etc. as itemtypes 15:32 kivilahtio DVD, shortloan, normal, quickloan 15:32 cait kivilahtio: hm maybe you need to rethink your approach 15:32 kivilahtio oleonard: actually triple :) 15:31 kivilahtio oleonard: double what we have now 15:31 kivilahtio oleonard: I think I will talk about that tomorrow and see if we could use extra itemtypes, but we would get a LOT of them 15:31 kivilahtio but changing hte itemtype would be visaully the best and easiest way to go 15:30 mveron redirection? 15:30 kivilahtio oleonard: maybe I could bring it out again considering thet the hack I made deosnt work anymore on the staff side due to the great and needed AJAXified checkin/out 15:30 tgoat thanks for the redirection mveron :) 15:30 kivilahtio oleonard: but we are yet to look too deeply into statistics, we have been looking into it and my suggestion of using itemtypes was crushed 15:29 tgoat good morning mveron :) 15:29 mveron hi tgoat :-) 15:29 tgoat hi everyone :) 15:29 kivilahtio oleonard: i think we ar efacing sttistical issues if we create many itemtypes 15:29 oleonard kivilahtio: Is there a disadvantage to adding additional item types which you are trying to avoid? 15:28 kivilahtio oleonard: yes 15:28 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 20.2°C (5:28 PM CEST on September 11, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 15:28 mveron @wunder Allschwil 15:27 mveron Hi #koha 15:19 oleonard kivilahtio: Is your goal to avoid creating additional item types? 15:08 agbolo how do i go by it with having to get series of dependencies using synaptic is it possible? 15:08 agbolo i want the system to download it automatically 15:08 agbolo noo 15:05 oleonard agbolo: Did you try manually installing them? For instance: sudo apt-get install libcrypt-eksblowfish-perl 15:04 huginn 04Bug 6685: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , circ rules by groups of items 15:04 kivilahtio Hi there! I just commented http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6685 would anyone care to comment on that? 15:03 wahanui i think any help is appreciated ;) 15:03 agbolo any help 15:03 agbolo hello 15:00 reiveune bye 14:56 agbolo these are my issues when i lunch to perl koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u 14:56 oleonard agbolo: http://paste.koha-community.org/ 14:55 agbolo Crypt::Eksblowfish::Bcrypt 0 * 0.008 Yes Email::Valid 0 * 0.190 Yes GD::Barcode::UPCE 0 * 1.1 Yes Library::CallNumber::LC 0 * 0.22 Yes Locale::Maketext::Lexicon 0 * 0.91 Yes Op 14:52 agbolo i have 11 more packeges left 14:52 agbolo i am using indexdata 14:52 agbolo yes 14:50 oleonard How are you installing agbolo? Packages? 14:48 agbolo i am having problems with perl 14:47 agbolo please i am installing for the first time koha on squeeeze 14:45 agbolo hello 14:27 gaetan_B do we have a list of characters that are part of the zebra syntax and are not really allowed in a seach ? (like parenthesis) 14:23 cait Joubu++ fridolin++ 14:16 cait :) 14:13 fridolin oki 13:55 cait you could give the patch a first sign off maybe? 13:55 cait hm right now i think not 13:53 fridolin cait: can I do something as 3.14 RM right now ? 13:53 fridolin oki 13:52 cait not something that is strictly needed in a bugfix release 13:52 cait to be honest i think if the performance problem is not a regression, soemthing we made slower ... I'd think it's an enh 13:52 cait hm yes 13:51 fridolin some updates with database indexes 13:51 cait hm do you have an example? 13:51 fridolin some important/performance patches 13:50 fridolin but many patches will remain in master then 13:50 cait more bugs in our program logic than in the database 13:50 cait i am not sure, but i feel it should happen quite seldomly 13:49 fridolin cait: ok it's more clear for me 13:49 cait yeah i think if you really wanted to bacport a database chance, you'd have to submit a patch to master too 13:49 fridolin but the work can not be done when backporting no ? it me be prepared in the patch for master 13:48 fridolin cait: our totally right 13:47 cait You should be particularly cautious about backporting a change that includes a database update. This is because a library that uses your stable branch will eventually upgrade to a newer major release, and as a consequence may run the same DB revision. 13:47 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance 13:46 cait actually kind of that yes 13:46 cait fridolin: hm what are you looking for? 13:46 oleonard I thought it was a guideline that database changes should not be backported. 13:45 fridolin guide 13:45 fridolin i there something in the gide lines ? 13:45 fridolin oleonard: I'd like to, but in this case all database update should check they are not already launched no ? 13:42 cait but when you go from a version where the roadtype has been deleted already to the current one, then yes 13:42 cait if you go from before the first roadtime to a current version, ther eis no problem 13:41 cait it's depending on timing and where you come from 13:41 cait does that make sense? 13:41 cait then it will run again 13:41 cait then later decide to go a version up 13:41 cait so you ran it as part of your bugfix updates the first time 13:41 Joubu (we should not use updatedatabase.pl) 13:41 cait actually 13:41 cait i think the problem is when you update from the last bugfix release to master 13:41 oleonard fridolin: Are you saying you don't expect libraries to upgrade from 3.14.x to 3.16.x? 13:41 cait hm 13:40 fridolin Joubu: should we not use RaiseError flag in updatedatabase ? 13:40 fridolin because database update will run has if the database was on master version 13:38 oleonard Why wouldn't that be supported? 13:38 fridolin cait: i realy thought updating from a stable branch to another was not supported 13:38 Joubu fridolin: no, it's caused by the RaiseError flag 13:37 cait that's not a bad one, but when we shuffle data around it should be tested if the update is ok i guess 13:37 cait fridolin: i think even a syspref backported will raise a duplicate warn when there is no 'ignore' in the statement 13:36 Joubu for master, but easily backportable on 3.16.x 13:36 cait ah cool 13:36 Joubu I sent a patch on the bug report 13:36 cait updating the second database update to check for the existance of the table first 13:36 fridolin you think that when creating the database update, one should test if it has been launched already ? 13:36 cait i thinkw e need a patch for master and have that in the next 3.16.x release 13:35 fridolin but i thought this update was pretty clear 13:34 fridolin I agree 13:34 cait in my opinion 13:34 cait ideally not many shoudl go into the bugfix releases, if at all 13:34 cait I think the main thing here is that we need to be extremely careful when backporting database updates 13:34 fridolin whe have the same issue when updating from 3.2 to recent branch 13:34 cait hm it would not be good if it wasn't 13:33 fridolin but i think this is not the only database update that can not be executed twice 13:33 fridolin ah ok 13:33 cait yes 13:32 fridolin Joubu: you mean when you update from 3.14.x to 3.16 or master ? 13:32 cait when you update a 3.14.7 to a 3.16.x it will run the same table drop twice 13:32 cait fridolin: did you find it? 13:32 cait reading back now 13:31 cait sorry, had to talk to a coworker 13:30 Joubu raiseerror is set, so the select raise an error and stop the updadb script 13:30 fridolin the drop of the table is once in updatedatabase 13:29 fridolin Joubu: what do you mean by "it got backported from 3.16 to 3.14 - so it's there twice" ? 13:27 Joubu 7372 13:27 fridolin i do not see the Bug number. which is it ? Joubu cait 13:21 fridolin ouch 13:16 Joubu http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2014-09-11#i_1567078 13:16 fridolin where do I find it ? cait 13:15 fridolin heuu 13:15 Joubu fridolin: have a look at the backlog 13:15 fridolin cait: you look for me ? 13:15 fridolin sorry I come not every day, we have problems with this chan when using our VPN 13:14 fridolin hie all 13:12 cait checking for existance of the table int he second database update 13:11 cait master and 3.16 13:11 cait but you are right, now we need to fix it from top to bottom 13:11 Joubu Frido is coming 13:11 cait I know :) 13:11 Joubu I am not 3.14 RM :) 13:10 Joubu cait: the change should be done on master, not 3.14 13:10 cait i think ideally this shoudl not have been in 3.14 - it's mostly clean up and not fixing a bug 13:10 cait everything with a database update is potentially causing problems 13:10 cait hm i think maybe something to keep in mind as rmaint 13:08 Joubu whaou, something to think for the QA step! 13:08 Joubu cait: ok I see 13:07 oleonard I checked out tags/v3.14.09 13:07 cait Joubu: the problem is that it got backported from 3.16 to 3.14 - so it's there twice 13:06 Joubu oleonard: do you know why the table didn't exist? From where come your "earlier version"? 13:06 Joubu oleonard: arg, yes 13:05 oleonard Joubu: The problem is that the db error prevented me from completing the upgrade process. I got stuck in a loop. 13:04 oleonard Joubu: Here's how I ran into it: I dropped my database and checked out an earlier version to test something. Then I checked out master and updated that database 13:03 Joubu oleonard: actually the updatedb entry removes the table. So I am not sure there is a problem if it didn't exist before. 13:01 oleonard Is there a bug for that? 13:01 oleonard I know someone has mentioned before the upgrade problem where " Table 'koha.roadtype' doesn't exist" 12:08 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 12:08 jcamins @later tell dcook No, pseudonyms are never put in the 7xx field in bib records. 12:08 indradg hi oleonard 12:08 cait hi oleonard :) 12:07 oleonard Hi #koha 11:29 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 31.0°C (4:50 PM IST on September 11, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 11:29 indradg @wunder Kolkata 09:47 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 09:47 cait @later tell tcohen you asked me about relator terms a whie ago, i figured out how it works now i think 09:09 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:09 Joubu @later tell tcohen could you have a look at my comment on bug 12859 please? 09:05 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 15.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on September 11, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 09:05 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:36 indradg ok 08:35 Joubu indradg: yes, locaton could be a solution 08:35 cait indradg: hm location or a special notforloan status in our libraries i think 08:32 wahanui indradg: that doesn't look right 08:32 indradg change the location code? 08:32 indradg cait, Joubu : how to do you guys handle it when a part of the inventory is off-access - say out for physical restoration or binding or pest control purposes? 08:30 cait morning ashimema :) 08:30 cait Joubu: actually we have a library that would be happy about it I think - I need to learn more about how it works with your patch 08:29 cait Joubu: see t positive - the feature is not in question, just the name :) 08:29 ashimema Morning all 08:28 Joubu indradg: I am with all propositions :) Could you please propose on the ML or bug report? I don't think it should me to decide. 08:27 indradg Joubu: how about "in-library" or "intra-library" use? keeps it 'in the library' but doesn't necessary restrict it to a specific area within the library? 08:04 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 08:04 Joubu @later tell pianohacker Hi! Are you working on an interface to configure cronjobs via the staff interface? (see bug 8337 last comments) 07:57 matts guten Morgen cait ! 07:56 cait bonjour matts :) 07:56 wahanui bonjour, matts 07:56 matts hello 07:29 Joubu hello 06:54 alex_a bonjour 06:39 reiveune hello 05:47 * cait waves 05:47 indradg hi cait :) 05:32 mtj ooh, that looks useful ^^ 05:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10860 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , In-House Use 05:28 indradg somewhat like bug 10860 05:28 indradg these are items in limbo for a time.... not properly property of the library, but yet has to be accounted for and subjected to restricted circulation 05:27 mtj ah ok, i got it indradg 05:26 indradg three things can happen: a) the "approved test copies" become "gift" and accessioned likewise, the rest returned or b) all are accessioned as "gift copies" c) in very rare case all are returned back 05:24 indradg and should it receive their approval order is placed 05:24 indradg these "test copies" are then actually circulated among the faculty 05:23 mtj ok 05:23 indradg not a govt requirement but very widely practised 05:23 mtj aah, 'approval basis' is an indian govt requirement? 05:23 indradg publishers / distributors will come in about 6 months before a new school year and dump out a load of their new inventory. 05:22 indradg for example we have an acquisition system that is called "approval basis" that Koha does not yet support. 05:21 indradg there are a few india specific requirements that won't get into Koha, unless people actually code it up. 05:20 mtj ok ok... seems like you are doing just fine :) 05:18 indradg just trying to cut my teeth on the coding guidelines... never coded in perl before... learning up 05:18 mtj i dont think i had ever seen it, before your patches 05:17 indradg thank you mtj 05:17 mtj hey indradg, great work on the jquery.ime stuff too 05:16 mtj yeah, i understand indradg 05:12 indradg :P 05:12 indradg everyone who claims to be an expert claims to have migrated data over to Koha. but no cogent HOWTO has ever emerged in all these years. 05:11 mtj ah ok, i have not heard much about libsys myself (from NZ) 05:10 indradg libsys is the bug bear of Indian libraries 05:10 indradg quite possible 05:09 mtj .. and not direct to chris ) 05:08 mtj indradg: i think email was to koha-owner@lists.katipo.co.nz 05:08 indradg morning mtj 05:08 mtj hiya indradg 05:06 indradg rangi: pdelnet@gmail mailed that you direct? 05:00 indradg morning #koha 02:45 wizzyrea it's the downfall of many projects: getting stuck trying to make voltron. 02:42 dcook lol 02:42 wahanui I got stuck trying to make voltron. 02:42 eythian wahanui: huginn: assemble! 02:41 dcook I also wish I had a robot army :D 02:40 tcohen :-D 02:39 dcook tcohen: I always wish I had 8 hours more in a day 02:38 * tcohen wishes he had 3 more hours a day 02:31 wizzyrea hi tcohen 02:30 rangi hi tcohen 02:30 tcohen hi 02:28 wizzyrea kek 02:28 eythian I think he got scared away by the robot army 02:28 wizzyrea the default is that it runs every hour 02:27 wizzyrea Dan_ the hold queue does some trickery matching up borrowers to items 01:34 dac O_o 01:08 Dan_ I see, I suppose of some trolling 01:07 wahanui Dan_: Change in Earth's rotational speed 01:07 huginn Dan_: My excuse for today is "capitalism" 01:07 Dan_ huginn: excuse me, what is RDA? 01:06 huginn Dan_: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 01:06 Dan_ @eythian thank you 01:03 eythian (that's how I remember it, anyway.) 01:03 eythian I think it can be an expensive process to calculate the queue, so it's done once a day and loaded into there. 01:00 Dan_ hello people. just a question: what is the reason of tmp_holdsqueue? why not just reading directly from reserves?