Time  Nick         Message
01:17 eythian      so much chicken in that burger-like thing
01:18 dcook        burger-like?
01:19 eythian      > Two fried chicken thighs with smoked provolone, crisp onions, cos lettuce and Duke’s sambal, with fries
01:19 eythian      so instead of buns, it had chicken
01:21 dcook        Interesting
01:21 wahanui      Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
01:22 dcook        Seems like it would be difficult to eat/
01:22 dcook        ?
01:22 dcook        (yet tasty)
01:23 eythian      I cheated and used cutlery
01:46 rangi        https://twitter.com/PeopleofNZ/status/501867479883202560
01:49 ibeardslee   I remember a story of someone talking to someone on the phone at a cafe with Helen Clarke (the then PM) at a nearby table. They weren't believed so the passed the phone to Helen to tall them.
01:49 ibeardslee   tell them
01:49 ibeardslee   John Key just kicks people out of the cafe when he shares a cup of tea.
01:49 rangi        heh
02:50 dac          marc?
02:50 wahanui      The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.
02:50 dac          marc history?
02:50 wahanui      marc history is probably http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html
02:56 vinz3g       hi, goodnight
02:57 vinz3g       is possible to translate the context of cataloging koha
02:59 vinz3g       hello
02:59 wahanui      kia ora, vinz3g
03:01 vinz3g       is possible to translate the framework of cataloging koha
03:02 wizzyrea     I'm not sure which part you mean
03:02 wizzyrea     it is possible, as far as I know, but it is not in the usual translation workflow.
03:07 vinz3g       ok, if you agree, I did not found it in the translation files, which refers to the names of labels is no translation
03:10 wizzyrea     right, you will not find that in the translation files
03:10 eythian      there are specificly translated SQL files, I think.
03:12 wizzyrea     wr 229142 - any thoughts there?
03:12 wizzyrea     er
03:12 wizzyrea     ww
03:15 vinz3g       someone there will be translated into Spanish?
03:16 eythian      if someone translates it, yes.
03:21 vinz3g       good!
03:21 eythian      this assumes that someone is going to translate it however
03:28 vinz3g       hi, koha-kobli was traslated sql file
03:28 vinz3g       s
03:29 eythian      ah yep. You should talk them into upstreaming it.
03:29 eythian      (assuming they haven't already)
03:33 vinz3g       Thank you. Thank you for your help
04:43 dac          Interesting... looks like someone's computer is in the future
04:43 dac          We already have an author of the month for November 2014 ;)
04:43 * eythian    wonders what the best process is for loading a large chunk of SQL is in updatedatabase.
04:43 eythian      I might have to load the .sql file
04:43 eythian      heh
04:45 dac          Hmm, I seem to recall bgkriegel saying something about problems with loading SQL files using updatedatabase (or some other installer script)
04:45 eythian      there's not really another option, as they'll need to be kept in sync
04:45 dac          Ahh, my bad. I think it was something else?
04:45 eythian      well, it might be
04:45 eythian      but I need to make it work somehow :)
04:46 eythian      I don't want to copy-paste 150 lines of SQL into updatedatabase and keep it up to date
04:46 dac          Hmm, pastebot seems to be on the fritz...
04:46 dac          "There's another thing to take into account: when MySQL 5.6 arrives to new debian/ubuntu versions, we'll have a problem. 5.6 client complains a lot to be used on CLI with password as argument, so Koha installer fails miserably because it uses 'mysql' command to load mandatory/optional values in database.
04:46 dac          Another reason to find other way."
04:47 eythian      yep
04:47 eythian      the package tools will get bit by that too
04:47 eythian      I have a plan to fix that
04:47 eythian      it's not very elegant, but it'll work.
04:47 dac          :D
04:48 eythian      (creating mysql .cnf files in /tmp that contain the password
04:48 eythian      )
04:49 * dac        shrugs
04:49 dac          I'll trust you :)
04:49 eythian      you better, it's the only option I can think of :)
04:49 dcook        hehe
04:50 eythian      it is nicer and safer than including them on the command line though.
04:53 * dcook      thumbs up
04:58 eythian      @wunder nzwn
04:58 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (4:30 PM NZST on August 20, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling).
04:58 eythian      ick
04:59 dcook        @wunder syd
04:59 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 15.0°C (2:30 PM EST on August 20, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
04:59 * dcook      peeks out the window
04:59 dcook        Looks about accurate
05:01 eythian      ah, I've found a bit of code that does what I need. Excellent.
05:10 dcook        Nice one!
05:10 * dcook      needs food
05:10 dcook        Where does the day go...
06:33 reiveune     hello
06:33 wahanui      hello, reiveune
07:24 magnuse      *drumroll*
07:25 magnuse      kia ora #koha!
07:25 dcook        heya magnuse :)
07:26 magnuse      hiya dcook
07:31 * magnuse    hopes life is treating dcook better these days
07:32 dcook        Thanks, magnuse :). It certainly is better. Each day is better than the last. This week has a few more chores, and then it should be onto more fun things :).
07:33 magnuse      yay! :-)
07:51 dcook        :)
07:52 dcook        I'm off for the night though. Be back tomorrow. Have a good day, magnuse and other folks :)
08:00 mtj          hey #koha, has anyone else bumped into the confusing 'dontmerge' syspref ?
08:06 * cait       waves
08:08 mtj          hey cait
08:08 * magnuse    waves to cait and mtj
08:09 mtj          system preference set to 'Do' the next time the merge_authority.pl cronjob ....
08:09 ashimema     pianohacker++ # koha::services
08:09 mtj          ..should be 'Dont', not 'Do'? ^^
08:10 ashimema     looks like allot went on last night :)
08:10 ashimema     morning all
08:10 magnuse      hiya ashimema
08:10 mtj          hiya ashimema, magnuse
08:10 ashimema     @later tell pianohacker been reading the rancor bug again recently.. why the need for jsonp?
08:10 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
08:11 cait         hey magnuse :)
08:11 cait         and mtj and ashimema :)
08:12 cait         ashimema: hm?
08:12 * magnuse    wonders about the fate of bug 11944
08:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
08:12 ashimema     cait.. what?
08:12 wahanui      cait is going to add: gmcharlt: +1
08:12 cait         lots going on
08:12 cait         :)
08:13 cait         forget cait..
08:13 wahanui      cait: I forgot cait
08:13 cait         oups
08:13 cait         cait?
08:13 cait         :(
08:13 cait         i gave wahanui memory loss and now he doesn't know who I am *sob*
08:13 ashimema     lots of chat fixing that facets bug.. lots of chatter around services api, lots of chatter around mysql cli.. all intesting stuff last night..
08:13 ashimema     wish i'de been about ;)
08:13 ashimema     oops cait?
08:14 ashimema     cait.. what?
08:14 magnuse      was that a dev meeting or just general chatter?
08:14 ashimema     just general chatter I think.
08:14 magnuse      kewl
08:14 ashimema     prompted by a list post..
08:14 ashimema     and then the right epople turning up here to chat it out ;)
08:14 ashimema     looked interesting though
08:14 ashimema     sounds like pianohacker has been playing with api's for a school project..
08:15 cait         ashimema: you need to stop sleeping :P
08:15 ashimema     anyone else know why rancor needs jsonp api's?
08:15 ashimema     lol.. sleep is for wimps aye cait
08:16 ashimema     my understanding is that jsonp is basically to enable cross domain ajax requests.. but sureley we're not doing cross domain for the catalogue editor
08:18 ashimema     Joubu.. if you want to rebase your date on overdues bug, I'll happily test.. I tend to concentrate on stuff in the qa queue at the minute.. hense my seeing chris's bug affecting similar code first.. I took a look at your bug though and thought ti looked simpler to refactor than the other way around.
08:19 Joubu        ashimema: I had a look yesterday and it does not seem easy to rebase it :-/
08:19 ashimema     But first.. I'm just about done reviewing the testbuilder code..  I have a feeling it's not gonna get a huge amount of uptake.. but I can't see any real reason to fail it.
08:19 ashimema     oh.. really?
08:20 ashimema     I obviosly didn't look at it in enough depth then
08:20 Joubu        ashimema: Actually I didn't plan to rebase it. It was waiting a SO for 1 year, I raise an alert on the bug report letting a comment.
08:20 Joubu        IMO the ft should not be pushed before the bug fix.
08:21 cait         nah, don't listen tome
08:21 cait         i am just silly on a train again
08:21 cait         i will be kicked out soon for a few minutes - lots of tunnels
08:21 cait         will be back after
08:21 cait         the stop sleeping comment wasn't to be taken serious
08:21 Joubu        I don't have time at the moment to rebase old stuff, sorry
08:21 cait         i am on a train, so the internet connection will be bad again
08:21 ashimema     ok.
08:21 ashimema     I;m not really sure how to fix the issue of overlapping bugs in general though..
08:22 ashimema     splitter really helps if people use it..
08:22 Joubu        ashimema: but it's a real lack. As I explained in my comment, it's the only (simple) way to launch overdues with a date != today
08:22 ashimema     but even then.. you never really know when a bug has been abandoned..
08:22 ashimema     yeah.. it would be a fine bug to fix.
08:22 ashimema     maybe I'll take a look at rebasing it myself if I get a moment.
08:22 cait         hopefully not
08:22 Joubu        ashimema: I don't abandon bugs :) I just haven't the time at the moment
08:23 cait         @wunder Konstanz
08:23 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.9°C (10:20 AM CEST on August 20, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
08:23 ashimema     I also want to see bug 6427 moving again too.. but it's massive and scary
08:23 Joubu        ashimema: tcohen told me he will try to have a look too.
08:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6427 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Rewrite of the accounts system
08:25 ashimema     We can't expect people to fix long standing bugs before doing work they've been paid to do though.. which is more the bugger.. I admit, in this case I wish Chris had spotted the conflict and signed your bug off first..
08:25 ashimema     I just don't know the answer.
08:25 cait         i had hoped that we could concentrate on it after we are done with the utf-8 fixes
08:25 magnuse      is there a plan for bug 11944 now?
08:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
08:25 ashimema     anywho.. was nothing personal.. the other bug just hit my vision first :(
08:25 Joubu        ashimema: maybe I should increase the severity of my bugfix, because it's a major one (even if the date option never worked...)
08:26 ashimema     yeah.. it is pretty severe
08:26 ashimema     that would certianly help..
08:26 Joubu        magnuse: yes, you have been selected to SO it! Congratulations!
08:27 ashimema     actually maybe we should put some rules around that.. using severity as an indicator to QA for when such occurrences happen.
08:27 Joubu        I should have increased*
08:27 ashimema     randon question.. does your splitter app have an API?
08:27 magnuse      Joubu: thanks! ;-)
08:27 cait         but it seems that those take a lot longer than i had hoped they would :(
08:27 cait         for various reasons, just things take generally longer than expected
08:27 ashimema     almost wonder if we could add a check for conflicts in the qa script.. it's stupidly easy to miss them
08:27 Joubu        ashimema: what do you want to do with it?
08:28 magnuse      the last thing i remember, there was a plan to have a bug squash day for the utf-8 stuff, and i think there was one? so what happens now?
08:29 Joubu        ashimema: there is a rest api, yes
08:29 ashimema     I'm thinking of doing a file based check for conflicting bugs from the command line as part of the qa process
08:29 cait         I can test the date overdue bug too - helping with ashimema to get it in
08:29 cait         i know we labelled the other as a ft, but actually it's something that's been pretty awful for us a long time - every single of our libraires using fines complained about it
08:29 cait         so at least for those libraries it's a bug fix too
08:29 cait         i hadn't seen the other bug - if I had known ealrier maybe we could have figured out something
08:29 ashimema     highlighting to QA that maybe the bug your QAing should have been based atop another more important one?
08:29 cait         Joubu: i saw paola left some notes on the wiki - are those bugs that need to be fixed still?
08:30 Joubu        ashimema: I let a note, I though it was enough. It could be great to highlight some important comment on a bug report.
08:31 Joubu        thought*
08:31 Joubu        cait: I didn't see them
08:32 ashimema     I used the comment to go look at the bug.. and wrongly from what your saying, thought it would be easier to rebase in that direction as apposed to the other.
08:32 ashimema     blame me in this case..  we'll get there in the end I hope.
08:32 eythian      wahanui: cait is from germany. Ask \me about germany.
08:32 wahanui      ...but cait is just silly on a train again...
08:32 Joubu        IMO, the only way to go further with bug 11944 is to push all patches into master and fix remaining bugs when we will find them.
08:32 eythian      wahanui: cait is also from germany. Ask \me about germany.
08:32 wahanui      okay, eythian.
08:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
08:33 Joubu        Because for now, we introduce new regressions in master, and we will have to fix it later.
08:33 Joubu        (yes I know nobody agrees)
08:34 Joubu        magnuse: to answer you, I think we are waiting someone to write UT.
08:35 ashimema     Will buy you a pint when in liverpool in october if your about Joubu
08:36 Joubu        ashimema: In october I will be in Argentina :)
08:36 cait         Joubu: i think if there are no known bugs in opac
08:36 cait         i could agree
08:36 cait         i don't care so much if things show up in staff, but everything visible to the user we know about i'd like to see fixed
08:37 ashimema     of course.. silly me
08:38 Joubu        cait: Zeno and Paola did an amazing job, they tested ~80% of Koha. They found bugs on master too.
08:38 ashimema     that's impressive
08:39 cait         yep
08:39 cait         it's good to have Paola testing
08:40 cait         Joubu: about the overdues when patron has no email - the mtt broke an existing feature
08:40 cait         we already had a feature to automatically send an email to the library - that is no longer working
08:40 cait         we need to fix that with a high priority
08:41 cait         bug 12717
08:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12717 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Library no longer receiving Overdue email for patrons without email address
08:41 cait         i want to comment on the bug, but internet on the train is really... annoying
08:41 magnuse      Joubu: i agree with you. noone will evr be able to signoff on testing everything. the only option i can see is to push what we have as soon as possible and fix things if and when they turn up
08:42 rangi        i agree with cait
08:42 rangi        the opac is small
08:42 rangi        30ish pages
08:42 rangi        we should be able to test all of that, and fix that before putting it in master, any staff issues can be fixed after pushing
08:42 Joubu        There are no known bugs. The only known bugs is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Handling_UTF8_in_development#Known_bugs
08:43 Joubu        the 4 first points. The others is fixed or not relevant
08:43 Joubu        are*!
08:43 magnuse      (and kia ora rangi and eythian!)
08:46 cait         Joubu: maybe update the wki page?
08:47 Joubu        it's updated, there are notes
08:48 cait         magnuse: are you back now? :)
08:48 magnuse      cait: yeah, more or less
08:48 magnuse      tomorrow will be the first full day
08:49 * magnuse    wonders off for a moment
08:50 cait         Joubu: I think we need to restore the option to send a text summary of the print notices to the library for patrons without email only  - i am not sure how
08:51 Joubu        cait: did you see my comment on that (don't remember the bug number)?
08:52 Joubu        cait: it could be done using the gather_print_notices (with new patches already submit), but no really sure...
08:53 Joubu        cait: Do you know why aqorders_items.itemnumber does not have a FK to items.itemnumber?
08:57 cait         i saw a commen tlast night - i just wanted to add it's not something new - it's a regression and libraries might not even notice it for a while :(
08:57 cait         assuming not getting an email means there have been no notices for patrons without email
08:57 cait         and htat's bad
08:57 cait         because they have never used the other cronjob
08:57 cait         Joubu: not sure about that, it does seem to make sense to add one
08:57 cait         Joubu: i think you can't do text with your new patches?
08:57 cait         but i am still not sure how to alert libraries of the change
08:57 cait         and that they need to setup a new tool
08:58 cait         having a print entry for each patron is actually nice - i am worried about the change it means and that we didn't notice it
08:58 Joubu        cait: "can't do text"?
08:59 cait         a plain text attachement like it used to - can you give me the bug number of your patch again?
09:00 Joubu        cait: I am not sure it's a good idea to reintroduce this behavior into the overdue_notices script. IMO gather_print_notices should do the job.
09:00 Joubu        But I agree, the change has not been reported somewhere.
09:01 Joubu        bug 11603 and bug 11678
09:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Gather print notices: add csv and ods export
09:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11678 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Gather print notices: send files by email
09:01 cait         Joubu: i tend to agree - but then we should remove the email code from the script too... after restoring the feature
09:01 cait         and it still has a lot of code to create files
09:01 Joubu        you will be able to do something like : gather_print_notices.pl --email=e@ex.org --letter_code=ODUE
09:02 Joubu        cait: overdue_notices can sent an email if you call it without --no-email
09:02 Joubu        with!
09:03 cait         yes, but it#s not quite right
09:03 cait         see the bug i posted earlier - it sends an email with data for ALL oerdues
09:03 cait         without setting any parameter it just sent you the ones for patrons without email before
09:03 cait         as a text attachement in a mail to the library - not pretty
09:03 cait         but a lot of libraries are using that
09:04 cait         bug 12717
09:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12717 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Library no longer receiving Overdue email for patrons without email address
09:04 cait         so maybe we do need to reintroduce
09:04 cait         and then phase it out
09:04 cait         properly
09:05 Joubu        but we can't sent to the library AND put it in the message_queue
09:08 Joubu        actually, the current code only generate the csv if --no-email is given
09:10 cait         Joubu: why not?
09:11 Joubu        Because this script is a mess :)
09:11 cait         Joubu: it was a text attachement with th emessage texts not csv
09:11 cait         if you switch back to the commit before mtt - you can see the behaviour, even with the current table structure
09:11 cait         i noted the commit on the bug
09:11 cait         it is
09:12 Joubu        and because I suppose that the print message in the queue could be use later
09:12 cait         a mess
09:12 Joubu        supposed*
09:13 Joubu        cait: I understand perfectly the issue and it can be critical for some libraries. But I need a good idea to fix the workflow
09:13 cait         I am not sure how to fix it, but i think we need to figure something out
09:13 cait         yeah i think we can agree on that then
09:13 Joubu        If the message exist in the message_queue with the mtt print, I don't think we need it sent too
09:14 cait         we need to notify the library and give them a means to notify the patrons
09:14 cait         i am not against the gather print script - but i am not sure how to fit it in and how to tell libraries they need to switch
09:15 Joubu        (remember: I rebased these patches for 2 years...)
09:15 cait         and also... we use up to 6 different overdue letters
09:15 cait         we need an option to send them all in one email
09:15 Joubu        that what does the gather_print_notices :-/
09:16 Joubu        it's why I add the csv and ods option and the --email
09:16 cait         does your change take more than one letter code?
09:16 Joubu        no
09:16 Joubu        because it's not relevant
09:17 Joubu        Actually I am confuse. I will try to have a look in the afternoon
09:17 cait         the old behaviour was: send an email with a plain text attachement with all the notices texts that couldn#t be send by email to the library
09:17 Joubu        (the csv and ods option are for something else...)
09:17 cait         i think we need to get as close to that as possible again
09:25 cait         ok
10:28 ashimema     Joubu.. I've added a few comment to TestBuilder. would be interested to see Yohann's thoughts.. he's still about for the next couple of days right?
10:30 Joubu        ashimema: great, thanks! Yes, his trainee ends on Friday
10:31 ashimema     sorry it's taken me a while to get to.. I've been mulling it over for a fiar chunk of time..
10:31 ashimema     I'm getting mroe and mroe keen to stick it in.. but I wan't to make sure it's got a decent chance of being utilised
10:36 Joubu        ashimema: The lack of pod is my fault. I told yohann it is better to provide examples than a lot of words to explain why it's useful.
10:36 ashimema     There's half reasonable POD in there actually.. only a couple of translation issues I think really..
10:37 ashimema     it's more things like adding it's use to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Unit_Tests
10:37 ashimema     for example.. to encourage adoption ;)
10:39 ashimema     and a more wordy description of 'why' is makes a developers life easier/why they should start using it to write new tests.
10:40 ashimema     That's whats taken time for me to get my head around.. I want others to get their heads around it faster so that they make the effort to learn how to use it.
10:40 ashimema     :)
10:40 rangi        it feels to me like sqlhelper all over again, building our own bespoke abstraction layers that come back to annoy us all
10:41 ashimema     oh.. rangi :).. That's the sort of opinion I was hoping to catch you for yesterday.
10:42 ashimema     I can see it's merits.. but yeah.. I'm still on the knife edge in terms of whether I think it's a good abstraction or not... if it lead to one test running as db dependant and independent.. then I'd see allot more merit. ;)
10:47 Joubu        ashimema: Since it's based on the DB structure, I don't understand why you want it to manage db independent tests.
10:48 Joubu        rangi: Do you know an abstraction layer we could use to build data for UT?
10:51 rangi        we could use Test::DBIx::Class::Factory
10:59 * rangi      has to go to sleep, gotta teach people jenkins tomorrow
11:04 magnuse      Joubu: have you looked at Test::DBIx::Class?
11:04 magnuse      https://metacpan.org/pod/Test::DBIx::Class
11:06 Joubu        magnuse: yes, a bit, but I wasn't aware of Test::DBIx::Class::Factory
11:09 * magnuse    neither
11:09 ashimema     nor me..
11:09 ashimema     sounds like just the ticket though in a very brief look..
11:10 ashimema     anyone happen to be aware of any bugs with our modal dialogue and safari recently?
11:11 ashimema     I've just had a customer report that on their mac machines (a macbook air, and an ipad) they can't login to the opac in bootstrap becasue the modal doesn't open.
11:11 ashimema     I've never seen it before?
11:53 oleonard     Hi #koha
11:54 cait         hi oleonard :)
11:54 magnuse      kia ora oleonard
11:56 cait         oleonard: vacation? :)
11:57 oleonard     Taking care of the kids during the transition between summer day care and the first week of school
11:59 cait         :)
12:00 oleonard     My youngest starts kindergarten Friday. No more preschool for us!
12:02 cait         :)
12:03 khall        looks like cait beat me to the qa punch on 12781 ; )
12:04 cait         bug 12781
12:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12781 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , DBIx::Class schema should preserve case for column names
12:05 cait         ah, hope it was ok
12:05 cait         i prompty fell asleep after that tho - sleepy cait on a train today
12:06 cait         i am working on the follow up now - 12784
12:08 cait         khall: still around?
12:08 khall        yo
12:08 khall        np!
12:09 cait         i wonder
12:09 cait         could you maybe take a look?
12:10 cait         12784 and 12371
12:10 wahanui      25155
12:11 cait         not quite that many bugs yet wahanui
12:12 cait         khall: bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12371#c7 < is a comment from nick about your patch, but couldn't make sense of it
12:12 khall        I'll take a look
12:13 cait         thx
12:15 khall        cait: nick may be correct, but he's trying to solve the problem at the wrong level.
12:15 khall        if we do it the way he suggests it could easily introduce regressions at a later date
12:16 cait         could you try and clear things up a bit so we can get that bug moving? :)
12:16 khall        k
12:18 khall        cait: Chris signed it, so you can qa it
12:19 cait         that's ok, but i didn't want to ignore nick's comment
12:20 khall        I understand. I've added a reply to his comment
12:27 tcohen       morning!
12:27 wahanui      it has been said that morning is a state of cat
12:28 oleonard     Open of share file /tmp/sharefile-koha-koha failed: Permission denied at /usr/lib/perl5/Cache/FastMmap.pm line 640.
12:28 cait         coudl you check how your patch goes together with yohann's?
12:28 cait         he also adds some line about the verification token
12:29 cait         khall: talking about bug 1274
12:29 cait         hm bug 12784 that is
12:29 cait         morning tcohen
12:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1274 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED FIXED, problem in UNIMARC Editor, when adding a subfield
12:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12784 critical, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Signed Off , A patron cannot change his personal details
12:30 khall        cait: those should dovetail together just fine
12:32 cait1        qa from a train isn't easy... khall - it seems with yohann's patch one modification request overwrites the other - i am a bit worried by that
12:32 cait1        so for a borrower there is always only one line in the table
12:33 khall        that's actually how it's intended to work, even if it didn't previously.
12:33 cait1        hm ok
12:33 cait1        i will put a note in the comment
12:35 bgkriegel    buen día
12:36 oleonard     Hi bgkriegel
12:39 * cait1      waves
12:44 oleonard     Anyone know if there are simple ways to get authority records from LOC or elsewhere besides though the web site?
12:45 cait1        hm z39.50 an then export maybe=
12:45 cait1        ?
12:45 cait1        oleonard: what are you trying to do ? :)
12:45 oleonard     Uh... Get authorities? :)
12:47 cait1        ok, i might be confused :)
12:47 cait1        did you see you can download them now via z39.50 in the authorities module?
12:47 tcohen       hi cait bgkriegel oleonard
12:48 bgkriegel    hi cait oleonard tcohen and all
12:49 oleonard     cait1: No I didn't. Now I need some authority record sources I guess.
12:50 cait1        oleonard: i think the sample file has loc
12:50 cait1        oleonard: not sure if there was a database update to add them, maybe check the sql files directly
12:51 oleonard     "Q: Does the Library of Congress provide Z39.50 access to authority records? A: No." :P
12:52 jcamins      oleonard: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/lcserver.html
12:52 cait1        hm
12:52 cait1        i could offer you access to our german gnd file for authorities :)
12:53 cait1        http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/en/optional/sample_z3950_servers.sql;h=68e28a04f7b3131753e6cf8415ca0d37192f66db;hb=71ba269136c61e57e8388f91f2562d062004d7fd
12:54 oleonard     That should teach me never to read a FAQ: http://authorities.loc.gov/help/auth-faq.htm#5
12:54 oleonard     Thanks jcamins and cait1
12:55 cait1        heh
13:05 oleonard     The "New from Z39.50" button does nothing
13:05 cait1        did you set up the server in the config?
13:06 cait1        it does nothing if no server as added
13:06 cait1        and also there was a javascript error in one of the versions, which version are you on?
13:07 oleonard     Now it's working. Firefox hiccup I guess.
13:29 tcohen       bug 12788
13:29 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12788 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records
13:30 cait1        i think it would be cool if one of the libraries tested it
13:30 cait1        it should be totally doable on a sandbox, if you switch the pref before creating your authority and record
13:31 tcohen       cait1: agreed
13:35 tcohen       cait1: it needs love, anyway
13:43 ashimema     cait1.. feel free to point one of them at the ptfs-euroep sandboxes.. they're all feeling lonely at the moment ;)
13:43 tcohen       hi ashimema
13:43 ashimema     though I have no idea if there are 400's and 100s in the db's as is..
13:44 ashimema     hi tcohen..
13:46 oleonard     cait1: I can't reproduce Bug 12783
13:46 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12783 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Tabbed view on acq basket group page broken
13:46 oleonard     cait1: Do you get a JS error?
13:48 Joubu        works for me too
14:03 oleonard     rangi++ # nice blog post about Jim Minges
14:03 oleonard     http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2014/08/20/unsung-heroes-of-koha-29-jim-minges/
14:04 magnuse      hooray for the unsung heroes!
14:15 cait1        oleonard: yes
14:15 cait1        aout files not being found
14:16 cait1        quite a few
14:16 Joubu        cait1: which ones?
14:16 wahanui      which ones are those?
14:17 oleonard     wahanui: forget which ones
14:17 wahanui      oleonard: I forgot which ones
14:20 cait1        really bad internet now - black forrest
14:20 cait1        trying
14:20 cait1        oh
14:20 cait1        i think i know
14:20 cait1        my vendor is: katrin's bookshop
14:20 cait1        wth apostrophe
14:20 cait1        i didn't notice that when i filed the bug
14:20 cait1        hm
14:20 cait1        it happens for Books Books Books too :(
14:20 cait1        yahoo is not defined
14:21 oleonard     cait1: What is your yuipath system preference setting?
14:23 oleonard     cait1: Actually it shouldn't matter, not on the tabbed page.
14:23 oleonard     There shouldn't be any YUI dependencies on that page.
14:23 oleonard     Oh I guess they're included even if you're not in the basket edit view
14:24 oleonard     The yuipath doesn't seem to matter in my test
14:52 cait         oleonard?
14:52 wahanui      oleonard is, like, still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
14:53 oleonard     present
14:53 cait         oleonard, Joubu: http://paste.koha-community.org/165
14:53 cait         sorry, you just asked before we got into the mountains
14:53 cait         another hour on the train for me now :) then home
14:54 barton       morning, #koha!
14:54 barton       morning, rocio.
14:55 rocio        morning!
14:55 wahanui      well, morning is a state of the cait
14:55 barton       heh.
14:56 Joubu        cait: your yuipath is empty?
14:56 oleonard     cait: Looks like your yuipath system preference is missing, probably from testing Bug 12494
14:56 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12494 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Remove yuipath system preference
14:56 cait         ooh
14:56 cait         what should go in htere?
14:57 barton       I'm trying to find out a bit about a change that was made to circ between 3.12 and 3.14 ... apparently, we removed the 'override all' option on checkout -- now, if a patron has items overdue, circ staff have to override every item.
14:57 cait         you are right, it's empty
14:58 barton       ... I'm trying to find out more about that change ... who, what, where, why ....
14:59 cait         barton: hm i am not sure if we changed that
15:00 cait         barton: you tried both settings for OverduesBlockCirc?
15:03 cait         oleonard, Joubu: you were right
15:08 barton       cait -- I'll have to check that syspref.
15:08 barton       cait++
15:12 tcohen       oleonard: have you bisected your permission problem regarding cache::fastmmap ?
15:12 oleonard     no
15:12 reiveune     bye
15:13 barton       cait -- the possible values for OverduesBlockCirc are 'Ask for confirmation', 'Block' and "Don't Block" ... The partner wants to ask for confirmation on the *first* checkin, but wants the option to override any following check outs for the same patron.
15:13 cait         i think we never could do hat
15:13 cait         buti am not totally sure, it sounds unusual
15:13 tcohen       @seen gmcharlt
15:13 oleonard     I don't think it works that way for any override
15:13 huginn       tcohen: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 19 hours, 11 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> but rangi's right, can ask
15:14 oleonard     barton: For instance, one must confirm each time to override checking out an item which exceeds item type limits
15:15 barton       hmmm. Someone in #bywater mentioned that there was an "Override all" button at one time.
15:15 oleonard     I don't think so
15:17 cait         hm don't remember something like that either
15:17 barton       Oh well, not the first time a partner led me down the primrose path; won't be the last.
15:37 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12782: (followup) skip tests that fail because of provider's error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8193c40b9dc8f952ff0774d8503bd0e018cf7c05> / Bug 12782: t/db_dependent/XISBN.t fails in DOM setup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eca3f6d37c24b5a510d26e0a0b8e0233420fe03a> / Bug 1561 - z39.50 results do not show search terms <http://git.koha-community.org/git
15:47 datadoctor   Hi All!
15:48 oleonard     link_bibs_to_authorities.pl attempts to find authority records which match, for instance, subject headings in a bib record? Is that right?
15:51 oleonard     jcamins?
15:51 wahanui      well, jcamins is the best cookie-chef in #koha.
15:51 druthb       wahanui:  botsnack cookie
15:51 wahanui      thanks druthb :)
15:52 jcamins      That is correct.
15:53 oleonard     Thanks jcamins
16:00 Joubu        tcohen: I added UT on bug 11244.
16:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11244 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , notices ignoring the dateformat preference
16:30 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
16:30 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
16:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #133: FIXED in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/133/
16:30 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 1561 - z39.50 results do not show search terms
16:30 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12782: t/db_dependent/XISBN.t fails in DOM setup
16:30 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12782: (followup) skip tests that fail because of provider's error
16:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1561 enhancement, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , z39.50 results do not show search terms
16:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12782 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , t/db_dependent/XISBN.t should work on DOM too
16:38 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
16:38 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
16:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #138: FIXED in 1 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12/138/
16:38 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 1561 - z39.50 results do not show search terms
16:38 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12782: t/db_dependent/XISBN.t fails in DOM setup
16:38 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12782: (followup) skip tests that fail because of provider's error
16:38 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1561 enhancement, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , z39.50 results do not show search terms
16:38 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12782 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , t/db_dependent/XISBN.t should work on DOM too
16:40 tcohen       Joubu++
16:47 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11244: (follow-up) Fix $dateonly flag <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f68dad1f2a872fc30b579180c6a5a415cdd77a1> / Bug 11244: notices ignoring the dateformat preference <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7605f91f0f4903b256f5f060ee9845c427947096> / Bug 11244: Add unit tests for GetPreparedLetter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=
17:34 cait         also cool to see bugs with so low  numbers fixed :)
19:19 tcohen       bye #koha
20:14 tcohen       hi there
20:14 wahanui      privet, tcohen
20:17 tcohen       rangi: can we change the dashboard? so the build status for master checks Koha_Master_U14?
20:17 tcohen       *kidding
20:17 tcohen       I mean Koha_Master_D7
20:44 tcohen       @later tell rangi please change the dashboard so the status for master is picked from Koha_Master_D7 on jenkins
20:44 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
20:47 tcohen       @wunder cordoba, argentina
20:47 huginn       tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 34.6°C (5:45 PM ART on August 20, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
20:47 * tcohen     misses cold weather
20:59 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8539: Library transfer limits page has incorrect permission <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=59fc1f5b4106a312d3d1e75d127e6c5a19373075> / Bug 4162 - Followup: only count potential barcodes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0deb4908a24c03c03cc9a7a0353f47a947648852> / Bug 4162 The inventory tool lacks validation for barcodes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe
21:28 * wizzyrea   wishes for warm weather
21:28 wizzyrea     @wunder nzwn
21:28 huginn       wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on August 21, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
21:28 wizzyrea     hm that's not terrible.
21:28 wizzyrea     but it's windy.
22:10 eythian      hi
22:10 wahanui      bonjour, eythian
22:16 tcohen       hi eythian
23:46 indradg      hi!
23:46 indradg      Readonly::XS 1.05 is installed on my Kubuntu 13.04
23:47 indradg      however, ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u is showing missing dep
23:49 indradg      I see a thread here http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2014-May/039555.html
23:49 indradg      how to resolve this? I'm trying to build off git