Time Nick Message
00:00 rangi i suspect we are on the same flight for at least one leg of our journeys
00:00 rangi im flying LAN (via qantas)
00:01 BobB hi rangi, you are on the flight from Santiago?
00:01 BobB I get into Santiago late morning and have about 10 hours layover
00:01 rangi yeah ditto
00:02 BobB I'll get hotel room at the airport
00:02 BobB my flight is direct from Sydney; I guess you fly from Auckland?
00:02 rangi i was gonna investigate if they having anything like singapore where you can get a little tour
00:02 rangi yep, wlg->akl->santiago->cordoba
00:03 BobB I have a full day there on the way back, so will take a tour then
00:03 rangi ahh cool
00:03 rangi i only have 4 hours on way back
00:03 BobB not enough to do much
00:04 rangi i land at 12.35 and the leave and 21.15
00:04 BobB let me check ...
00:04 rangi then leave at even
00:06 BobB rangi I arrive in Santiago at 11.05 and have your flight out
00:06 rangi sweet
00:07 BobB I'll let you know what arrangements I make
00:07 rangi thanks
00:07 BobB nice :)
00:11 * rangi goes for lunch
00:11 tcohen hi rango
00:11 tcohen rangi
00:12 vinz3g hi, good afternoon
00:17 vinz3g Hi I need help for config z39.50 server
00:18 dcook vinz3g: How do you mean config?
00:19 dcook So that Koha can use it or so that you can access it externally?
00:20 vinz3g to access externally
00:21 vinz3g I tried config koha-conf.xml
00:21 dcook That would be the place to do it
00:21 dcook Uncomment the relevant sections, and then probably restart your Zebra server
00:22 vinz3g how restart zebra serve?
00:22 vinz3g server
00:22 dcook Well, how did you install Koha and on what operating system?
00:22 dcook Did you use the Debian packages on Debian?
00:22 vinz3g My SO es Ubuntu
00:23 dcook Ok, did you use the Debian packages?
00:23 vinz3g yes
00:23 dcook Cool
00:23 dcook http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-restart-zebra
00:23 dcook koha-restart-zebra INSTANCENAME
00:23 dcook That should do the trick
00:24 vinz3g ok!
00:25 dcook After you do that, I'd tried to access it locally (over tcp), and if that works, then try to access it externally
00:25 dcook If you can't, then you probably need to open a port on your router or change a firewall rule
00:25 vinz3g I was using other
00:25 dcook other?
00:25 wahanui i heard other was to add additional counts.
00:26 vinz3g yeah
00:26 dcook What do you mean other?
00:27 vinz3g http://manual.koha-community.org/3.16/en/resetzebra.html
00:27 vinz3g :(
00:27 vinz3g jaaaaa
00:27 vinz3g thanks the little things
00:28 dcook Sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying
00:28 dcook Those commands would wipe out your Zebra databases
00:29 vinz3g now work z39.50
00:30 tcohen @later tell jcamins Evergreen's QueryParser tests don't cover loading config from a file, I bet they would fail
00:30 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
00:30 vinz3g gracias! son las pequeñas grandes cosas que ayudan a resolver problemas
00:31 vinz3g perdon
00:31 vinz3g sorry
00:31 dcook haha
00:31 dcook I'm glad it's working
00:31 vinz3g Thank you! They are great little things that help solve problems
00:58 vinz3g hi <dcook>
01:00 vinz3g this is what brings me the web connection when I write http://myadress.com:9999
01:00 pastebot "vinz3g" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "<zs:explainResponse xmlns:zs="" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/148
01:01 eythian that's talking about SRU, not Z39.50.
01:01 eythian maybe you uncommented the wrong part of your koha-conf.xml
01:04 vinz3g ok
01:08 pastebot "vinz3g" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Uncomment the following entry" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/149
01:09 vinz3g esa instrucción me confunde
01:09 vinz3g that statement confuses me
01:37 tcohen heh: https://www.change.org/petitions/change-org-don-t-allow-people-to-sign-up-with-other-peoples-email-addresses
01:40 dcook Huzzah. Pen just ran out of ink, but found a new CatalystIT pen in my desk from Kohacon13 :D
01:41 dcook Also a Kohacon13 pen :D
01:41 dcook Although apparently that one is broken :(
01:43 * tcohen hopes kohacon14's reach Australia :-D
01:44 dcook BobB will have to bring me back some ;)
01:45 tcohen :-D
01:45 BobB will be happy to, sorry you can't grab one in person
01:45 dcook :)
01:46 dcook I'll be island hoping in Europe at the time, so don't feel too bad ;)
01:46 dcook hopping*
01:46 dcook Still, wish I could be there
01:46 eythian dcook: it's how we subtly market to you. You should consider catalyst for your Koha support needs ;)
01:46 BobB hmm, tough choice :)
01:46 dcook Well, my wife's birthday is also during that time
01:46 dcook And I'm not making the mistake of going away during her birthday again :p
01:46 BobB No choice! :)
01:47 dcook (Still glad I went to Kohacon13 though :P)
01:47 dcook If only we could travel extremely quickly and cheaply around the globe...
01:57 eythian @wunder nzwn
01:57 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0°C (1:30 PM NZST on August 08, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
01:57 dcook @wunder syd
01:57 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (11:30 AM EST on August 08, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Falling).
01:57 dcook Hmm, clearing up a bit at least..
02:03 dcook Hmm..
02:04 dcook Potentially figured out a fix for bulkmarcimport.pl...which requires no fix to bulkmarcimport.pl...
02:04 dcook But it would require changing AddAuthority()...
02:04 dcook To be more in line with AddBiblio()...
02:05 dcook Which probably also distrupts too many expectations of how AddAuthority() currently works...
02:07 dcook Of course that somewhat invalidates some of my ranting yesterday...
02:08 * dcook shrugs
02:14 eythian I'm currently trying to deal with the impedance mismatch of people who had one way of working, and trying to get as close to that as resonably possible with koha.
02:14 eythian It's always a little tricky
02:17 dcook ?
02:17 dcook BobB: Are you having any problems with LibrariesAustralia Z39.50?
02:17 dcook I'm getting time outs, so I'm thinking their server is down again
02:18 eythian well, they're moving from a non-MARC system to Koha, and have some custom fields etc. so I'm trying to fit them in to the most correct place in MARC that does what they want.
02:18 dcook Ahhhh
02:18 dcook Ah, I also read "one way of working" as "one day of working"
02:18 dcook My bad
02:18 tcohen eythian: field 1000
02:18 dcook hehe
02:18 BobB not that I am aware, hold on dcook, I'll test
02:19 eythian tcohen: :D
02:19 dcook BobB: thanks :)
02:20 BobB dcook 'connection failed'
02:22 BobB http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/z3950.librariesaustralia.nla.gov.au:210
02:22 dcook BobB: Sweet. Glad it's not just us then.
02:24 dcook Hmm, I never thought about trying that
02:24 dcook Neato
02:25 eythian I'm a little surprised that works, I guess dfeojm doesn't actually check to see if it speaks http
02:26 dcook I was surprised too
02:27 dcook But LoC and NLM give back 404 messages that are prefaced with a Yaz version
02:27 eythian ahh
02:38 vinz3g I still have the z39.50, achievement make the connection but it says the database is not available
02:40 dcook vinz3g: That probably means that nothing has been indexed
02:41 dcook As you mentioned running the commands from this page (http://manual.koha-community.org/3.16/en/resetzebra.html), that doesn't surprise me
02:42 dcook Add some records into Koha, then run this command: "sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instancename"
02:42 dcook Then the database should be available and should return records
02:42 vinz3g ok, i tried
02:47 vinz3g Permission denied at /usr/share/perl5/XML/SAX/Expat.pm :(
02:49 vinz3g jo jo change the permissions working
02:49 vinz3g now
02:57 eythian it's good to watch link_bibs_to_authorities.pl working
02:57 eythian and saying that it's doing things
03:12 eythian hrm, the linker, when run in test mode, says "0 bibs modified", which is correct but totally unhelpful.
03:12 eythian It should say how many it would have done.
03:15 dcook Probably :/
03:47 indradg bug 12735
03:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12735 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Koha as a CMS manual entry does not reflect bootstrap template usage
03:53 rangi @wunder nzwn
03:53 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 4.0°C (3:30 PM NZST on August 08, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
03:53 rangi that temp is dropping fast
03:53 rangi apparently snow in newlands
03:55 eythian urf
03:55 indradg @wunder kolkata
03:55 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 29.0°C (9:20 AM IST on August 08, 2014). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
03:55 eythian I might leave my bike at work given I forgot my rain/cold gear.
03:56 dcook @wunder syd
03:56 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 15.0°C (1:00 PM EST on August 08, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
03:56 dcook Hmm, I should go for a walk...
04:15 cbrannon hi #koha!
04:19 cbrannon identify
04:20 cbrannon IDENTIFY
04:20 cbrannon ugh
04:22 dcook http://www.cbc.ca/thisisthat/blog/2013/11/20/town-in-montana-changes-its-name-to-banff-alberta-canada/
04:37 cbrannon hello #koha
04:38 cbrannon koha?
04:38 wahanui it has been said that koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
04:38 cbrannon NateC?
04:38 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
04:38 cbrannon JesseM?
04:38 wahanui rumour has it JesseM is new to the committers list (from yesterday)
04:40 cbrannon register
04:41 cbrannon nickserv?
04:44 cbrannon anyone home?
04:47 dcook Hmm?
04:48 cbrannon dcook: FINALLY got VM running. :) Although everyone has different opinions on packages and git. :/
04:49 dcook hehe
04:49 dcook I imagine so
04:49 dcook Glad you got it running in the end
04:49 dcook If it helps, rangi is really good at what he does
04:49 cbrannon Just have to gitify it now. Working on that.
04:49 * dcook would listen to his advice
04:49 dcook Cool\
04:50 cbrannon question - do I have to register my nickname?
04:50 dcook Btw, if you want to communicate with NickServ, you'll need to message it like "/msg NickServ" (without the quotes)
04:50 dcook Nope
04:51 dcook But it's not a bad idea if you're on IRC a lot
04:51 dcook If you don't register it, someone else could use it
04:51 cbrannon Thanks. Still figuring this all out.
04:51 dcook They could pretend to be you, or...when you want to use it, you might not be able to because they're using it
04:51 dcook IRC can take some figuring, but it's pretty useful :)
04:54 cbrannon hmmm....says my name is registered. Is there a way to look up who it is regestered to?
04:59 mtj cbrannon: you can ask the nicksrv bot
04:59 mtj /msg nickserv INFO cbrannon
04:59 cbrannon just found it. Thanks :)
05:02 dcook Neat. I never knew about that trick.
05:02 dcook heya cait
05:03 cait morning:)
05:03 dcook Oh yeah...mtj, I figured I'd share my latest bulkmarcimport.pl stuff with you
05:04 dcook I ended up using... bulkmarcimport.pl -a -file="blahblah.mrc" -match "Identifier-Standard,001" -keepids=035a
05:04 dcook I had to change the Zebra indexing to also index 035$a into Identifier-Standard, but it works a treat
05:05 dcook When you do an add, the 001 will be the same as auth_header.authid
05:05 dcook Also if you do an update, the 001 will get nuked :/
05:05 dcook But it's ok, because the 001 will be populated with auth_header.authid when indexing
05:05 * dcook would prefer consistent data, but it's not a huge problem
05:07 dcook Technically, we should be doing a better job moving the 001 into the 035$a...but...I don't particularly care just right now :p
05:07 dcook Bug report filed.
05:09 mtj thanks dcook, ill take your advice
05:10 dcook :)
05:11 dcook Of course, if there is no match, I think it just gets added as a new authority, which is perhaps sub-optimal
05:11 dcook But the war of metadata management will not be solved today
05:19 mtj i guess the script needs a few diff. modes
05:23 mtj ...add/update or update-only
05:24 mtj hmm, is it possible to get those 2 behaviours, with the current script
05:24 CPBrannon Anyone know what it means to "create your first koha instance"? What is an instance?
05:24 mtj anyhoo.. i look later
05:25 mtj an instance is a koha
05:25 mtj CPBrannon: ^^
05:27 CPBrannon (hm)
05:27 cait if you are using packages
05:27 CPBrannon yes
05:27 cait you can have multiple kohas on one server running from the same code
05:28 cait one if them then would be an 'instance' :)
05:28 CPBrannon ah
05:28 CPBrannon thanks for translating. :)
05:28 cait so it might refer to doing someting like koha-create --create-db or similar
05:29 dcook mtj: I don't think it's possible to get those behaviours at the moment. The documentation for the script says that -u will only do updates, but it's a lie
05:29 dcook The only downside of having figured out a solution is that now I have less incentive to fix things for others :(
05:29 dcook I have to move on to the next problem...
05:29 CPBrannon cait: So I'm supposed to use the name of my instance in a command. I'm not sure what my instance is actually called.
05:30 dcook CPBrannon: When you're creating it for the first time, you can choose the name
05:30 cait i haven'tdone much with packages so far, but i think koha-list shoudl show you
05:30 cait ah right, also that :) sorry, i haven't been awkae for long enough yet
05:33 CPBrannon okay. Think I got it. :)
05:34 mtj CPBrannon: just make a new one, to test...
05:34 mtj # koha-create --create-db koha1
05:34 mtj # koha-create --create-db koha2
05:34 mtj # koha-remove koha1
05:34 mtj # koha-remove koha2
05:35 dcook Man...packages are the best
05:41 CPBrannon So, I think the instance I have is just called koha. When I tried creating koha1, it says Koha instance is empty, no staff user created. ERROR: Site koha1 does not exist!
05:46 cait hm
05:46 cait haven't seen that yet i think
06:04 CPBrannon I did it! :) (Happy Dance)
06:05 dcook Well done :)
06:05 CPBrannon Now, I just have to help teach others in the morning.
06:06 pianohacker yo
06:07 CPBrannon yo pianohacker
06:07 dcook hey pianohacker
06:07 wahanui somebody said pianohacker was a Dune fan, it seems.
06:07 dcook CPBrannon: Sharing knowledge is always good :)
06:07 pianohacker @later tell cait wait, what? what tags? and when?
06:07 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
06:07 pianohacker hi guys
06:08 dcook pianohacker: If you look at the XSLT, I think you'll see the indicator with "z" in it
06:08 pianohacker just checking in real quick, long day and I didn't get in as early as I expected, impromptu movie night
06:08 pianohacker wat
06:08 cait pianohacker: 9xx tags - not sure if only in our union catalog or national
06:08 CPBrannon Ninja Turtles?
06:08 cait pianohacker: woud be nice if rancor didn't freak out about it
06:08 wnickc TMNT was awesome!
06:09 cait i thin ours are within a-z
06:09 CPBrannon Glad you enjoyed it. :)
06:09 pianohacker ah lord 9xx tags, the bane of my existence
06:09 pianohacker that and crap like 02d
06:09 pianohacker kk, cait, I'll make sure it does
06:09 CPBrannon wnickc: got the VM up and gitified
06:09 pianohacker cait: but... why?
06:09 dcook 02d?
06:10 dcook I thought there was only 01e :S
06:10 dcook Aha!
06:10 dcook pianohacker: MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
06:10 dcook <xsl:for-each select="marc:datafield[(@tag=111 or @tag=711) and @ind1!='z']">
06:10 cait pianohacker: hm?
06:11 dcook I think jcamins added "z" as an indicator 1 for certain authority-related stuff
06:11 cait dcook: yep - if you want to search for the see also - there is a pref for that
06:11 pianohacker oh yeah I'm thinking of 01e. Either way, GAH. MARC.
06:11 cait so those get included in the records at indexing tiem to enhance search
06:11 cait pianohacker: gah marc.
06:11 dcook Yeah, I was thinking that might be added at indexing time...
06:11 cait i ahve seen r v as indicators in ours
06:11 * dcook shrugs
06:11 dcook Also...
06:11 dcook MARC--
06:12 cait for rvk classification things
06:12 pianohacker cait: I was curious why your union catalog has non-numeric indicators
06:12 dcook Actually fairly impressed with Zebra. It's indexed nearly 635,000 authority records in about 2 hours
06:12 cait ah, i am not sure, maybe they ran out of numeric ones
06:12 wnickc cpbrannon: awesome, this is why you get to lead tomorrow :)
06:12 pianohacker dear lord. Wouldn't surprise me
06:13 pianohacker marc--
06:13 dcook marc--
06:13 pianohacker every time I think I have alllll the weirdness pinned down, something new sticks its head out
06:13 cait i know
06:13 dcook Yep. It's the non-standard of standards.
06:13 cait go to bed :)
06:13 pianohacker like I only found out about 880 fields the other day!
06:13 pianohacker @marc 880
06:13 huginn pianohacker: The fully content-designated representation, in a different script, of another field in the same record. Field 880 is linked to the associated regular field by subfield $6 (Linkage). The first and second indicator positions in field 880 have the same definition and values as the indicators in the associated field. The subfield codes in field 880 are the same as those defined in the associated field (1 more message)
06:14 pianohacker You can attach versions of fields in different scripts to almost anything, and there's all these semi-standards and different workflows around that linkage.
06:14 cait oh 880
06:14 cait we have lots of those
06:14 cait if you need examples
06:15 CPBrannon y start loading apache mysql and koha? That's going to take some time.
06:15 pianohacker If rancor ever adds support, I will definitely be talking to people for examples. Thank you :)
06:15 cait [off] https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=30613
06:15 * dcook hopes MARC dies before that
06:15 cait pianohacker: hm what do you mean by adding support?
06:15 CPBrannon wnickc: um...yeah. I'll fumble through what I managed. So, I know folks are hopefully pre-loading debian, but what about when they start loading apache, mysql and koha?
06:15 pianohacker cait: making linkage semi-automatic like connexion
06:15 CPBrannon wnickc: sorry, finger slipped.
06:16 cait but you could manually enter now?
06:16 pianohacker aka it takes care of the linkage identifiers
06:16 pianohacker yes
06:16 cait ok
06:16 CPBrannon wnickc: Those loads are going to take time.
06:16 pianohacker dcook: if MARC dies before rancor has been polished and used for a good long time I will be very sad
06:16 dcook [off] cait: That's amazing
06:16 wnickc they are, but not crazy amounts of time, and if we stagger folks it should give us the opportunity to float around
06:17 * dcook mangles the URL to view the mar
06:17 dcook marc*
06:17 cait dcook: yeah it's hidden there - what i do is download the marcxml :)
06:17 cait and open it directly in my editor, if i need to check something
06:17 dcook [off] https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=30613 :D
06:17 wnickc cpbrannon:downtime can be used for searching for bugs we can reasonably handle
06:18 dcook pianohacker: good point
06:18 cait dcook: don't wonder about the strange 9xx duplication - we do that in order to index better (with grs1)
06:18 wnickc or asking in here what koha might want us to look at
06:18 cait dcook: 880 could only be indexed in total, we divided the info up a bit on 9xx fields additionally, so we could index as author, title, etc
06:18 cait dcook: thisis hopefully going to go away with dom at some point
06:19 CPBrannon wnickc: So, I'm thinking that the link bag gave me today (https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify) was the cleanest and most straight forward. Why didn't I see that one first???
06:19 pianohacker jeez. Not counting libraries and JS embedded in script tags, Rancor has 3/4 as much JS as the entire rest of the staff client (~3000 lines vs ~4000)
06:20 CPBrannon pianohacker: that's awesome. :)
06:21 pianohacker awesome and terrifying. I've been working on this for a long time!
06:21 pianohacker I don't really write Perl anymore...
06:22 * cait votes for terrifying
06:22 pianohacker hi qam
06:22 * cait waves ;)
06:22 cait i hope for you all your licenses are compatibel and libraries added to the about page :P
06:22 CPBrannon pianohacker: sorry for jumping in - is rancor the new cataloging module?
06:23 pianohacker I think that was mentioned in the last QA round (maybe for bug 10486 instead)? The licenses are compatible, but I need to add them to the about page. My heart almost stopped before I figured out everything was GPL/MIT
06:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC
06:23 pianohacker CPBrannon: yes, rancor is the not-secret codename :)
06:24 wnickc cpbrannon: I don't know, I think because of the whole back and for about to gitify or not to gitify
06:25 pianohacker okay, I need to head towards bed. Good to see you all :)
06:26 CPBrannon wnickc: yes, I know...don't get me started. No one can agree on a solid method. But the packages are what I got working and that's what I'm going with if you throw it in my court. :D
06:27 CPBrannon wnickc: besides, it sounded like the issues were marginal (something to do with crons?) according to kh.
06:27 wnickc I think they will be fine, those who want to be advanced and compile from git can do so later
06:27 wnickc did you get gitbz up and running too?
06:28 CPBrannon I won't know or understand the difference until I start doing stuff and cait tells me I am screwing something up.
06:29 CPBrannon Really? I just got gitify done. Nope. I haven't touched it yet. Guess we'll have to do it on the fly.
06:30 wnickc you can do it without bz, can give them bz as homework
06:30 wnickc it just makes life easier
06:30 cait you can still do git-format
06:30 cait i think - it's just a bit mean when you have lots of patches on a bug
06:32 CPBrannon I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. KH was pretty fast in the walkthrough. I had to back him up a couple times, and I still don't think I got it all. I'll have to go over my notes again and again and see what I can do. I don't think I could convey half of what he shared though.
06:33 dcook Well, there are usually knowledgeable folks on here to help as well
06:33 dcook for help*
06:33 CPBrannon who? ;)
06:33 dcook Oh, it's just what I hear :p
06:34 wnickc cpbrannon: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Get_git-bz
06:34 CPBrannon I'm just kiddin you. Yep. I couldn't have gotten this far without you guys.
06:34 wnickc it's not a rough process, we can do in am prob
06:35 dcook Yeah, Git BZ is a pretty easy set up
06:35 dcook So useful too
06:35 dcook So so useful
06:36 cait super useful
06:37 cait everytime an update breaks it
06:37 cait i am a very unhappy qam
06:37 cait and now i need to go to work :)
06:37 cait bbiab
06:39 wnickc cpbrannon: oh yeah, cloning git is not fast
06:39 wnickc stupid hotel wifi
06:39 ashimema gitbz++
06:40 ashimema morning #koha
06:40 CPBrannon I'm calling it a night too. See you in the morning wnickc. I'll try and come in a bit early...if you are there, we can make some plans. (cloaning - yep) MY wifi is pretty darn good. :)
06:40 wnickc morning ashimema
06:40 ashimema how are peeps today. sounds like your all at a conferance?
06:41 CPBrannon wnickc: schedule starts at 10am. I may just come in at 9am again. Because I can.
06:41 wnickc NAKUG
06:41 wnickc North America Koha Users Group
06:42 ashimema take it that's an american one.. oh cool
06:42 CPBrannon I hate acronyms :P
06:42 ashimema I'm slowly trying to build up a decent users group in the UK at the moment.
06:42 ashimema we're getting there.
06:42 CPBrannon Yep...it's been pretty good for being the first one too.
06:42 wnickc ashimema: any progress on PTFS Europe sandboxes? Just curious
06:42 ashimema plenty of users.. they just arent that good at talking to each other yet ;)
06:43 ashimema not ye I'm afraid.. had very little time to get back to them of late..
06:43 CPBrannon goodnight #koha
06:43 ashimema there's something wrong with the server they're on and I've not found out what yet.
06:43 wnickc see you in the morning cpbrannon
06:44 ashimema Our sandboxes are all hosted on one machines.. whereas the biblibre one's have a vm each I believe..
06:44 ashimema that's the challenge I'm facing.. multi-tenant sandboxes
06:45 ashimema I've recently been hitting bug 8446 hard instead.
06:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8446 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Shibboleth authentication patch
06:45 wnickc ah...beyond my knowledge
06:45 wnickc but good luck
06:47 ashimema you've inspired me to take a look at the sandboxes again this morning now.
06:48 wnickc ashimema++
06:50 wnickc we are pushing sandboxes hard to the group so hopefully they will be well used
06:54 ashimema :)
07:13 dcook Friday night time!
07:13 dcook Have a good Friday/weekend, folks!
07:25 Viktor Is there any "show borrowers remaining issue count" in sysprefs that I missed? Would be great to at a glance be able to confirm "Yes that was the last book on your account" when returning.
07:39 wnickc good night all
07:49 * cait waves
08:14 cait @later tell nengard I think one of the sandboxes might still be reserved for testing the utf-8 bug
08:14 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
08:58 ashimema anyone seen this error with git bz
08:58 ashimema NameError: global name 'host' is not defined
08:58 wahanui i already had it that way, ashimema.
09:44 Viktor I remember having that problem when first trying to get a working dev install ashimema - think you along with cait and magnuse helped me out.
09:46 indradg @wunder kolkata
09:46 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0°C (2:50 PM IST on August 08, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
09:47 Viktor ashimema As boom I'm not in any position to help with any git bz problems. But in my particular case the logs seems to suggest it was "git config bz.default-tracker bugs.koha-community.org" that finally settled it.
09:48 Viktor "as noob" - dyac
09:52 ashimema got the bugger.
09:52 ashimema somehow the bz user details had dissapeared from the config..
09:53 Viktor Yay.
09:53 ashimema in fact.. then entire .gitconfig for each user of the system had gone.. (except for one).
09:53 ashimema so.. what that means in the grand scheme..
09:53 ashimema ptfs-europe sandboxes are back up and running..
09:53 ashimema I'll update the snadbox page on the wiki as I re-enable them all one by one.
09:57 Viktor Weirdness with "Koha as cms". I get a "software error" template process failed: file error - /home/viktor/koha/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl//prog/en/modules/pages.tt: not found at /home/viktor/koha/C4/Templates.pl line 131
09:59 ashimema you have a / too many in there..
10:00 ashimema opac-tmpl//prog
10:00 ashimema should be opac-tmpl/prog
10:00 ashimema I reckon.
10:00 Viktor Yep - wonder why.
10:00 Viktor Escpecially since I'm running bootstrap
10:00 ashimema ;)
10:00 ashimema it'll be in the code somewhere I reckon.
10:01 Viktor It might be my install that's messed up, but I've taken care to follow the updated instructions.
10:01 ashimema did you do the vhost alias bit..
10:02 ashimema that may also be the issue..
10:02 ashimema I've messed that up before ;)
10:02 Viktor No I waited with that.
10:03 Viktor And I wonder why the new files I created would make Templates.pm look for the wrong file path.
10:06 cait ashimema++
10:06 cait ptfs-europe++
10:06 Viktor (messing around with stuff. My pages.tt might have been eaten)
10:09 Viktor Ok I'll have to confess for the logs: it was my fault Koha as CMS acted up.
10:12 Viktor I copied the files to Home, edited them, saved and moved them to the rights dirs (all visually with nautilus and gedit). Then may have double checked the files and saved the .tt file back to home.
10:13 cait not sure i can follow - ubt i am glad you figured it out :)
10:14 cait Viktor: indradg has updated the wiki page yesterday
10:15 * indradg waves
10:15 Viktor cait Yes I saw and got curious to try it out :) Thanks indradg!
10:16 cait :)
10:16 * cait waves back
10:16 indradg Viktor: things are working for you now?
10:16 Viktor Works like a charm :)
10:17 Viktor I like the CMS-functionality and would love to see it expanded. Was doing a little hack of my own to get tabbed navigation before the summer.
10:18 indradg i'm writing a plugin to give a koha news editor style interface for the CMS
10:18 Viktor I might bug you guys here on how to get a clean way to create nav tabs later.
10:19 Viktor Great news indradg++
10:19 cait indradg: cool idea :)
10:20 cait it would be nice if it was less 'hacky' - a lot of people seem to use or want to use it
10:20 Viktor That would be very useful. I have no problem with pasting code, but an editor helps a _lot_ for most people.
10:20 indradg I *hate* the idea of having to input the content via sys pref - (a) easy to mess up other things (b) allot userflag with lower perms to update these
10:21 Viktor Yep. Not very clean at all...
10:21 indradg i'm wrapping the mceditor that we already have in place for other things like kohanews
10:21 indradg thanks cait :)
10:32 ashimema I've been tempted to do a proper patch fro koha as cms for years..
10:32 ashimema never gotten around to it..
10:32 ashimema I'd happily test if someone got round to it though ;)
10:57 bgkriegel morning
10:57 bgkriegel @wunder cordoba, argentina
10:57 huginn bgkriegel: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 3.8°C (7:55 AM ART on August 08, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).
11:32 ashimema @later tell matts_away Any chance you could take a look at the last two followups for bug 8446 pretty please.
11:32 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
11:32 ashimema matts_away has been away for a while.. wonder if he's on holiday
11:35 cait maybe
11:47 Viktor What's the most reasonable way to translate when you are multiple translators? I don't really like the online tool and prefer poedit...
11:48 Viktor (but overwriting the existing file with my offline might of course kill off progress others made online during the day)
11:49 cait Viktor: it's nt perfect, but i usually stick with the online tool now that we are more translators involved
11:49 cait if i wanted tow rok on clean up, i have send an email to them in the past, to ot make changes until i reuploaded the files
11:51 Viktor Thanks cait - I'll probably have to learn to live with using Pootle then. But an email "keep out today" system sounds promising too.
11:54 cait i like the search options of poedit - so for making sure the same term was used everywhere in the beginning, that was quite useful
11:55 Viktor indradg by the way: when doing the CMS-patch will you work on auto creation of navigation for the pages too?
11:56 Viktor cait - Useful indeed. What I like about poedit is good keyboard shortcuts and fast ways to browse for low hanging fruit.
11:57 cait ashimema++
11:57 cait Viktor: the new pootle has keyboard shortcuts - maybe take alook if that makes your life a littleeasier
12:00 Viktor Thanks cait - that sounds promising!
12:01 Viktor Have a nice weekend folks! I'm heading afk now.
12:44 tcohen morning
12:46 ashimema morning tcohen
12:46 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:46 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 7.6°C (9:45 AM ART on August 08, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady).
12:46 tcohen hi ashimema
12:46 tcohen nice job with the shibboleth patches
12:47 ashimema Cheers.. hopefully the last two are up to scratch.. one being a fairly chunky re-factor.. and the second being the tests.
12:48 ashimema not sure i've caught everything in those tests yet.. feel free to scrutinise ;)
13:03 tcohen bug 12738
13:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12738 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Search behaviour inconsistent with QueryParser on Perl 5.18
13:42 ashimema oooh.
13:43 ashimema tcohen that's the bug I was looking for only moments ago.
13:43 ashimema wanted to point bug 10542 at it..
13:43 tcohen i have the fix, and am struggling to get a regression test for it
13:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10542 critical, P1 - high, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , QueryParser + OpacSuppression doesn't allow search in 'all libraries'
13:43 ashimema didn't realise it hadn't acutally been opened yet!
13:44 ashimema you have the fix.. awesome!
13:44 ashimema may I be of any assistance?
13:45 tcohen the problem is that each ru nof a perl script shares the same hash seed
13:45 tcohen i need to randomize that between calls to the same method, so the non-determinism is reproduced inside the unit tests file
13:49 ashimema challenging.
13:51 tcohen it seems... I might need to mock keys, to make sure it is truly random inside the same run
13:51 ashimema I'm slightly confused.. I thought the tests were already failing due to this randomisation.
13:51 ashimema or were they inconsistently failing..
13:52 ashimema or is it that your trying to get the test to fail on an older perl that doesn't do the randomization.
13:53 tcohen there are two problems: tests failing for the QueryParser PQF driver
13:54 tcohen and the bug i mentioned, which is related, but is not the same
13:54 tcohen t/QueryParser.t tests the PQF driver behaviour
13:54 ashimema from Colin: there are tests in perl 5.18 for this to ensure that the seed is not repeated over successive iterations. Is his prob is he needs to emulate that on older perls?
13:55 tcohen ashimema: the question would be what is he calling iterations
13:55 tcohen each time I run the test, a different seed is used
13:55 ashimema indeed..
13:55 tcohen i want to make same same function call inside the same "run"
13:56 tcohen and have different results
13:57 ashimema I see.. a different seed per call of the same function inside the same run of the script overall..
13:58 ashimema brain is catching up...
13:58 * tcohen doesn't want to introduce a new dependency, like Hash::Util...
14:02 ashimema that reminds me..
14:03 ashimema I must check whether my tests introduce any dependancies..
14:03 ashimema and tidy up the debuging cruft.. think I forgot to do that
14:08 ashimema so your looking to change 'PERL_HASH_SEED' during a script run.. between function calls. I see, and 'PERL_HASH_SEED' expects a binary value encoded hex string
14:19 ashimema tcohen: from colin (he's palyed with this a fair bit i beleive): Each time you create a hash you should get a random seed.. so if your sub does a %hash = @array; @x = keys %hash; The order of @x sould differ each time it is called (provided @array is big enough). The release docs suggests that modules should run tests repeatedly to ensure that sequence isnt predictable. I assume there are similar tests in the perl source
14:19 ashimema distrib
14:21 tcohen yeah, I cannot reproduce that expected behaviour
14:21 cait ashimema: i think we installed some packaces for shibboleth
14:22 tcohen i'm thinking of forking with fixed PERL_HASH_SEED for each
14:22 ashimema sounds fair..
14:23 ashimema really odd that you can't get the expected behaviour..
14:23 ashimema that almost sounds like a perl bug in itself.
14:23 ashimema huh cait?
14:23 wahanui somebody said cait was a bit worried about lumping all code into a single file a sa first step
14:24 cait you said you needed to check that and clean up debugging...
14:24 * cait blames her headache for not making sens
14:24 ashimema i'm even more confused now cait.
14:25 ashimema my last shibboleth patch.. adds unit tests.. I need to check whether the required Test::* dependancies are already in koha.. I forgot to..
14:25 ashimema And.. whilst writing the tests I has stuff like 'use Data::Dumper' which cna now go ;)
14:25 ashimema that's what I meant.
14:26 cait ok
14:36 tcohen how do i get the location of a script from inside the script?
14:40 ashimema use File::Basename;
14:40 ashimema my $dirname = dirname(__FILE__);
14:40 ashimema or at least.. I think that's how I did it a while back.
14:40 ashimema http://stackoverflow.com/questions/84932/how-do-i-get-the-full-path-to-a-perl-script-that-is-executing
14:40 tcohen ashimema: regression test ready :-D
14:41 ashimema awesome!
14:41 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema
14:41 ashimema damnit
14:42 wnickc ashimema: the sandboxes are back?!?!
14:42 wnickc hooray!
14:43 ashimema indeed..
14:43 ashimema I fixed them this morning..
14:43 ashimema wasn't anything to do with what I thought it was..
14:43 ashimema was actually a git bz bug.
14:43 ashimema sorted none the less
14:43 ashimema hows the conferance going out there?
14:43 wnickc thnak you!
14:43 wnickc not started yet, 9am
14:44 wnickc pacific us time
14:44 cait ashimema++
14:44 cait ptfs-europe++ :)
14:44 cait @karma ptfs-europe
14:44 huginn cait: Karma for "ptfs-europe" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
14:44 cait @karma ptfs_europe
14:44 huginn cait: Karma for "ptfs_europe" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
14:44 cait hmm
14:44 wnickc ashimema++
14:46 ashimema :)
14:46 cait wnickc: i think one of the biblibre sandboxes is set so it's stuck on the utf-8 bug - might explain some of the problems
14:46 ashimema shout if they stop working.. in my tests they were fine.. but there's nothing like the stress test of a conference to break stuff ;)
14:47 cait hm biblibre number 6
14:47 cait so maybe avoid that one
14:47 cait frido asked which to fix, but i think you all were asleep and now it's late friday afternoon here :)
14:47 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Handling_UTF8_in_development#UTF-8_GBSD_-_23rd_July
14:48 wnickc yeah, I tried to get back to him, but I only had incomplete info
14:49 wnickc off to find food, be back soon
14:50 wnickc thanks to everyone
14:55 cait hi CPBrannon
14:56 CPBrannon hi @cait. What's the @ for?
14:57 cait hm not used here i think
14:57 cait maybe your irc client?
14:58 jcamins CPBrannon: phenomenal cosmic power!
14:58 jcamins (cait is an op)
14:58 ashimema haha..
14:58 CPBrannon dunno - I see six users at the top of the nick list with @ in front. And when you talk it is in front of your name.
14:58 CPBrannon op?
14:58 wahanui op is the Original Poster, the person who started the discussion or asked the question.
14:59 ashimema magic super cait.
14:59 cait ashimema: yeah ops i think :)
14:59 cait don't mess with me... i can kick people!
14:59 ashimema op = operator (i think)
14:59 CPBrannon okay - there is always something I don't know around here.
14:59 cait ok, first i'd have to figure out how to do that exactly
15:00 ashimema basically an irc admin/moderator type person
15:00 cait for me it's little yellow stars :)
15:00 cait so i was not sure what you meant, i am using pidgin
15:00 ashimema little yellow stars.. shiny.
15:00 CPBrannon she's not so flashy here
15:00 CPBrannon ;)
15:00 cait on closer inspection, little sheriff stars
15:00 cait that looks spelt wrong
15:01 CPBrannon don't worry cait - we'll learn ya
15:02 mveron Hi #koha
15:03 CPBrannon heading out to breakfast. Later #koha
15:03 ashimema tcohen let me know when you throw patches at bug 12738 and i'll happily test them.. got the perfect setup for it now ;)
15:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12738 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Search behaviour inconsistent with QueryParser on Perl 5.18
15:03 ashimema mmm. breakfast.. that was far too long ago
15:03 tcohen i'm about to attach!
15:03 ashimema awesome
15:13 tcohen ashimema: done
15:13 ashimema :)
15:15 * tcohen feels this is a good way of finishing the week
15:19 ashimema :)
15:20 ashimema me too.. feels like we're getting some real deal breaker fixed recently
15:20 cait :)
15:20 cait yeah, people have stopped being scared and start working on the search code again :)
15:21 ashimema :)
15:21 tcohen heh
15:21 tcohen yeah!
15:22 bgkriegel mveron, around?
15:22 mveron hi bkriegel
15:22 bgkriegel hi :)
15:22 bgkriegel Do you plan to upload a new patch to 12705?
15:23 ashimema tcohen.. any idea's who/whether I need to test a sub that just ends in a 'print $query->redirect'
15:23 ashimema I've not got so far as to testing cgi stuff yet :
15:23 bgkriegel i'm willing to test it
15:24 tcohen ashimema: it is an easy one :-)
15:24 ashimema :)
15:24 mveron bgkriegel: Maybe i find time over the weekend.
15:24 ashimema that's good news.. was about to dive in..
15:24 ashimema I'll test your qp patch firth though ;)
15:24 tcohen ;)
15:25 bgkriegel mveron: Ok :)
15:25 * cait waves to mveron :)
15:25 mveron bgkriegel: Thanks for testing!
15:25 mveron hi cait :-)
15:28 ashimema damn that's a tiny patch to fix the problem tcohen.
15:28 tcohen hell yeah
15:28 ashimema bet it took ages to work out though.
15:28 tcohen and it took me day and a half :-P
15:34 ashimema hmm.
15:34 ashimema tcohen..
15:34 wahanui tcohen is obsessed with automated testing :)
15:34 tcohen ?
15:34 tcohen problems?
15:35 ashimema if I only apply the test patch against master on an old deb system (pre 5.18).. should the test fail?
15:35 tcohen i don't think so
15:36 ashimema ok.. will try wrapping my head around that
15:36 tcohen because of the way queryparser.yaml is crafted and then parsed, it always returned 'keyword' as the default search class
15:36 ashimema i see..
15:37 ashimema so.. when would your test fail then?
15:37 tcohen on a "truly" randomized perl hash context, QueryParser chooses the first it reads
15:37 tcohen when looping through what was read from the yaml file
15:38 tcohen the test would fail on Perl 5.18
15:38 tcohen and the patch only makes a decision already made (fallback to 'keyword' search) explicit
15:38 ashimema hmm. I see.. i think I misundertsand your test.. will have another read..
15:38 tcohen ah
15:39 ashimema I though by forcing a random seed per run then we we're able to in effect mock the 5.18 behaviour in prior perls.
15:39 tcohen if you run in on pre-5.18, each of the 4 run will return 'keyword', and thus not fail
15:39 ashimema I understand.
15:40 * tcohen doesn't know how pre-5.18 behaves related to the hash seed
15:41 ashimema yeah.. I think I follow now.
15:42 ashimema I may have to move my dev env to ubuntu to catch such tests in the future.
15:43 ashimema else I'll miss such failures during qa
15:44 * ashimema now runs tests as part of qa
15:58 * ashimema really doesnt like db dependant tests!
16:08 ashimema I wish I could set signed-off status using git-bz.. never seem to work for me now days.
16:10 jcamins ashimema: maybe your version of git-bz is out of date.
16:10 cait ashimema: works for me :)
16:10 cait or does passed qa work but signed off does not?
16:11 cait sometimes it explodes for me when i try to set a status that the bugzlla workflow settings don't allow
16:11 cait like when you have to set another status first
16:13 CPBrannon Preparing for Hackfest! :)
16:15 ashimema git-bz very recently pulled.
16:15 ashimema so it's not out of date (like 30 minutes ago pulled)
16:15 ashimema it's when I do a multi-patch attach.
16:16 jcamins ashimema: oh, I never attach more than one patch.
16:16 ashimema so say for instance 'git bz attach -e 12738 commithash..HEAD'
16:16 ashimema I save changing the status for that last patch.. and it always blows up if you set the status at the same time.
16:17 jcamins I just do every patch one at a time.
16:17 ashimema in that case.. I was attaching two patches.
16:17 ashimema I see..
16:17 jcamins Lots of '^'s.
16:17 ashimema I 'think' it usually works for me if I'm only using one commit
16:17 ashimema lots of ^?
16:18 ashimema do you mean 'git bz attach -e 12345 ^^^HEAD'
16:18 jcamins Yeah. git-bz attach -e 12345 HEAD^^^^
16:18 ashimema is that not pretty much the same as commithash..HEAD
16:18 jcamins No, that attaches only one patch.
16:19 ashimema or do you do HEAD^^^^ followed by HEAD^^^ and then HEAD^^
16:19 jcamins Exactly.
16:19 ashimema oh..
16:19 ashimema :(..
16:19 jcamins Attaching ranges never really worked great IMO.
16:19 ashimema it's so much nicer doing it with one command
16:19 jcamins It would be nice.
16:20 ashimema I thought attaching ranges basically just stepped through anyway..
16:20 ashimema I take it I'm wrong then..
16:20 ashimema assume it does it all in once connection.. rather than opening and closing connections ?
16:20 jcamins That's what it should do, but it's less trouble to just use the carets than to read the git-bz code.
16:20 ashimema I'de really like to see us move to a git bz that used the proper api's
16:21 jcamins If there's a branch of git bz that uses different APIs, there is no reason you couldn't use it.
16:21 ashimema Well.. not git bz per say.. but there are other similar clients..
16:21 jcamins The reason we have the repo on git.k-c.org is not because anyone in the community maintains it, but because then it's easy to find.
16:22 ashimema who braught git bz to our attention?
16:22 jcamins rangi, maybe?
16:22 ashimema wow.. it's a 2644 line single file..
16:22 ashimema ouch.
16:54 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "jcamins: how would you name the these variables?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/150
16:55 jcamins tcohen: I'll think for a bit.
16:56 hbraum good morning :) we’re starting our hackfest in Wenatchee (most of us are newbies), and looking at bugzilla, how do we get the severity column to display in the search results of bugzilla? One person here has the column displaying on his search, but the rest of us aren’t seeing it in our bugzilla accounts.
16:58 hbraum someone in our group answered the question already: it looksl ike if you use the saved searches at the bottom of the screen (like needs signed off), severity displays.
17:01 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "jcamins: this is what i was thinking of" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/151
17:07 jcamins tcohen: I'd prefer: qr/\@or \@or $keyword_search "smith" ($weight1 "smith" $weight2 "smith"|$weight2 "smith" $weight1 "smith){2}/
17:07 jcamins And no groupings in the variables.
17:08 tcohen the problem is that they are swapped too
17:09 jcamins Yes, that's why I have a grouping.
17:10 tcohen jcamins: but I see $weight* have their contents swaped too
17:11 jcamins There are only two weights, but they can be in either order, right?
17:12 tcohen (\@attr 9=20 \@attr 2=102|\@attr 2=102 \@attr 9=20) \@attr 4=6
17:12 tcohen it is needed
17:44 CPBrannon hbraum: when you gtet your box figured out, make a few more to make sure you have your method down. :)
17:45 hbraum CPBrannon we’ll see :)
18:03 tcohen bye #koha
18:05 CPBrannon hbraum: what was the code you wanted me to post?
18:05 hbraum CPBrannon the jquery for how you changed your availability column on staff client
18:06 CPBrannon hbraum: I'll let you know when it is posted
18:13 * cait waves
18:14 * pianohacker waves
18:21 wnickc is there a password available for the installer on the biblibre sandboxes?
18:21 jcamins sandboxes?
18:21 wahanui sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
18:22 wnickc ashimema: sandbox 4 seems to be out of comission
18:23 CPBrannon hbraum: it's in there. Last one in the intranet jquery section http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Hide_locations.2Fcopies_on_Staff_search_results
18:24 hbraum tyvm
18:40 cait :)
18:46 CPBrannon :)
21:23 tcohen hi
21:23 tcohen ashimema: thanks for signing
21:28 ashimema no worries tcohen
21:33 ashimema wnickc: thanks for the notice about sandbox4
21:34 ashimema I'll take a quick look..
21:39 wnickc :)
21:39 wnickc kohana installfest now has several peopel with working git installs and git bz
21:39 * mtompset cheers, because it sounds good.
21:39 wnickc hopefully sign offs to follow
21:39 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
21:44 wnickc 1 bug down
21:45 tcohen ashimema: where is the suppress parameter defined for PQF?
21:45 * tcohen is reading the PQF grammar definition
21:46 ashimema erm.. i'm not actually sure
21:46 ashimema dcook got there in the end with that bug to be fair to him..
21:46 tcohen :-D
21:47 ashimema I just kept getting advice from people until it worked
21:47 tcohen http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#PQF
21:47 tcohen ok, I trust you both so...
21:47 tcohen i guess is some zebra trick
21:47 ashimema http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-zebra.html was the last zebra doc I got into.. to try and work out how relevance works.
21:47 ashimema zebra is plain freaky
21:47 tcohen heh
21:48 tcohen asado tonight, have to leave to get all the stuff
21:48 tcohen bye #koha, nice weekend for every1
21:48 * ashimema has just realised that the out of the box db's for the sandboxes all default to prog for the opac theme..
21:48 ashimema have a nice weekend tcohen
21:50 CPBrannon Yay! Tested my first patch from my VM! I'm like a giddy little school girl!
21:50 ashimema CPBrannon++
21:51 ashimema wnickc: sandbox4 is back up..
21:51 ashimema stupid typo in the apache virtual host conf
21:51 wnickc awesome, thank you!
21:52 ashimema hmm..
21:52 ashimema well.. sandbox 0, 1, 2 and 3 are up.. I take it back that 4 is..
21:53 ashimema got an error in updatedatabase.. bear with me.
21:58 ashimema wnickc: now snadbox4 is up.. ack.. two typos later!
21:59 wnickc ashimema++
22:00 ashimema oh.. the stats are now starting to look interesting..
22:00 ashimema more than just my name in the list :)
22:27 ashimema
22:27 ashimema night all.. bed time for me
22:27 * ashimema ashimema_afk
22:50 wnickc hi all
22:50 wnickc does the package command koha-upgrade-schema run updatedatabase.pl?
22:52 pianohacker wnickc: yes
22:53 wnickc pianohacker: thanks
23:15 mtompset pianohacker: Greetings. Did MySQL historically not allow NULL as a Date? And if so, do you recall the version?
23:17 pianohacker Hmm, there have been historical problems with NULL/0000-00-00 but I'm not sure of the cause or which versions were affected
23:19 mtompset Because someone was asking for me to take out a '0000-00-00' comparison on bug 12167, and using just NULLs does seem to work for my version of MySQL currently.
23:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12167 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , datetime type casting issue regarding bug 7567
23:20 mtompset do you have any ancient koha database backups with opac_news?
23:20 mtompset could you check to see if the expirationdate is 0000-00-00? :)
23:20 pianohacker oh, lord. I don't, unfortunately
23:28 pianohacker mtompset: and unfortunately I can't seem to find any helpful information on google
23:28 mtompset I had the same bad luck trying to answer the question using google too.
23:56 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
23:56 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 11.8°C (8:55 PM ART on August 08, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
23:57 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
23:57 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 11.8°C (8:55 PM ART on August 08, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
23:57 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
23:57 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 11.8°C (8:55 PM ART on August 08, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).