Time Nick Message 00:00 tcohen heh 00:01 dcook That can't be a real bug.. 00:01 rangi 11244 00:02 * dcook was just doing the process of elimination 00:02 dcook hehe 00:03 tcohen not even the linux kernel bugzilla has that bug number 00:03 tcohen night 00:04 rangi night 00:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10220 IDs on checkin columns <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccd2a36c3c08f4ba25f9b6c29bcd33ab9c060820> 00:41 pianohacker heh, has mozilla hit the millions yet? 00:42 dcook Dang, they do seem to have a lot... 00:51 eythian http://opensource.com/business/14/8/interview-michael-tiemann-red-hat <-- dcook, for your OSDC talk 00:51 dcook Never heard about about that so not sure it's a thing, but thanks! 00:52 eythian neither have I yet, but that's not too unexpected 00:53 eythian it looks like the CFP is still open, too. 00:58 dcook Hmm, interesting. 00:58 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 01:25 * dcook wonders how people manage their authorities in Koha 01:25 dcook I'm planning to upload 600,000+ authorities into Koha 01:26 dcook Store the 001 from the original system in the 035 01:26 dcook Then upload annual updates using the 001 from those updates against the 035 for the existing records 01:26 dcook In theory, that should work perfectly 01:26 dcook But...I'll have to tweak Zebra to do it...which makes me wonder what folks do now... 01:26 * dcook assumes that people don't update their authorities 01:27 * dcook looks at record matching rules more... 01:30 dcook Ah...except I don't think you can compare different fields... 01:34 dcook Oh wait...yes it does 01:34 dcook Derp 01:35 dcook Muahahahaha 01:35 dcook Except...that still won't work 01:35 dcook Unless... 01:35 wahanui unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either 01:36 dcook Marc modification templates might work for this... 01:40 dcook Hmmm 01:41 dcook Well that's special... 01:41 dcook Turns out importing an authority using matching rules will overwrite the 001... 01:41 dcook That's not good... 01:41 dcook (I imagine) 01:55 dcook Interesting... "authid" really is just the auth_header.authid column...hmmm 01:58 dcook So really your 001 can be anything you want... 01:59 mtj hey dcook 01:59 dcook heya mtj 02:00 mtj i have been poking at a similar AUTH task to yours 02:00 dcook Neato! 02:00 dcook I'd love to hear about it :) 02:02 mtj importing newer LA auth records into a koha, matching on 035 strings 02:02 dcook Intriguing 02:02 dcook Are you moving the 001 from the LA records into the 035? 02:03 mtj actually i cant remember if i matched on 035 or 001, atm 02:03 dcook If you didn't changing the indexing, it would be 001 02:03 mtj ok, its 001 then :) 02:03 dcook Because Koha doesn't index 035 by default 02:03 dcook Interesting 02:03 wahanui rumour has it Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 02:03 dcook So how are you importing the records in the beginning? 02:04 mtj ./bulkmarcimport.pl -v -a -m ISO2709 -file ~/formal_extra_final_10184.aut 02:04 dcook Mmm, same 02:04 dcook Well, actually 02:04 dcook I used -keepid=035a 02:04 dcook To move the 001 into the 035a 02:05 dcook In your case, I imagine you're nuking the 001? 02:05 dcook Unless bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't do that.. 02:05 mtj then a --update for the following files... 02:05 mtj ./bulkmarcimport.pl -u -v -a -file ./NCG-20140212-18_00_44-All-titles.prd 02:06 mtj i dont seem to have required any more tricks than that ^^ 02:07 dcook Interesting 02:07 wahanui Interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad 02:07 dcook I'm surprised that would update properly 02:07 dcook Because -u will match on the 001 02:07 mtj record matching seemed to 'just work' 02:07 dcook Unless bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't nuke the 001 and replace it with the authid from auth_header... 02:07 dcook Which it probably doesn't 02:07 dcook Interesting 02:07 wahanui well, Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 02:07 dcook Thanks for that, mtj :) 02:08 dcook Ideally, we should be using a Koha-specific number in 001, and put LA's 001 in the 016$a or 035$a... 02:08 dcook Probably 016$a according to the spec 02:08 mtj ah ok 02:09 dcook But...*shrug* 02:09 dcook I can't be too fussed over this 02:09 dcook If I were really fussed over everything, I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning :p 02:10 dcook Ahh, yep, as I expected 02:11 dcook bulkmarcimport.pl won't replace the 001 unless you use -keepid=FIELD 02:12 dcook That's probably a bug... 02:12 dcook But fixing that will screw up the workflow for others (like yourself) 02:13 dcook Which could get nasty when importing records... 02:14 mtj hmm, this is stuff i havent considered yet, to be honest 02:14 dcook I don't think anyone ever considers it ;) 02:14 mtj i'll take a closer look next tme i work on it 02:15 * dcook shrugs 02:15 dcook Your workflow works, which is good 02:15 dcook The only downside would be if someone imported records via the web UI 02:16 dcook Because that will toss the 001 and put authid there instead 02:19 dcook Ideally, I think the 001 would be a unique number that we would also store in the DB and use for linking records together 02:19 dcook (the 001 for both authorities and bibliographic records) 02:19 dcook I suppose there is some difficulty with that though.. 02:19 dcook So maybe not store in the DB... 02:19 dcook Well, stored in the DB but maybe not as the primary key 02:20 dcook I don't know. 02:27 dcook I don't know about this stuff either 02:28 dcook Now that I think about it, perhaps it is appropriate to leave the 001 untouched 02:28 dcook An organization receiving a record may move the incoming control number from field 001 (and the control number identifier from field 003) to field 035 (System Control Number), 010 (Library of Congress Control Number), or 016 (National Bibliographic Agency Control Number), as appropriate, and place its own system control number in field 001 (and its control number identifier in field 003). 02:28 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd001.html 02:30 dcook Same for authorities.. 02:30 dcook Since it's "may", you could never count on 001 as a local number really... 02:30 dcook MARC-- 02:39 dcook mtj: Now that I think about it... wouldn't -u not work that well? 02:39 dcook I'm just looking at the documentation now, but it looks like that's supposed to only update existing authorities 02:39 dcook Not add missing ones 02:40 dcook Hmm, the documentation looks like it might be wrong... 02:47 dcook mtj++ 02:47 dcook I think I'm going to use your method. Cheers :) 02:48 mtj afaik, the -u arg did add new unmatched records too (as i hoped) 02:48 dcook Yep, it does 02:49 dcook The documentation is wrong :/ 03:01 dcook Hmm, trying to think of all the ways to import authorities... 03:01 dcook Staged MARC Management, Z39.50 Authority Search, bulkmarcimport.pl... 03:28 mtj dcook: thats all , i think... ^^ 03:31 dcook Me too 03:31 dcook Btw, mtj, you might want to look at your action_logs 03:32 dcook If you have logging for authorities turned on, your action_logs will fill up when using bulkmarcimport.pl for authorities 04:14 eythian There's a terrible annoyance with the plugin system. When you upload files using them, they go onto the system with 666 perms. a) other-writable is bad, b) some of them may need to be 755 and you have to manually update that. 04:14 eythian .zip is a silly format on unix machines. 04:16 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 04:16 mtompset How accurate is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Translating_Koha 04:18 eythian I'm not sure, but that is pretty accurate: http://youtu.be/0j74jcxSunY 04:24 dcook Bahaha 04:24 dcook This guy is fantastic 04:26 eythian he does a lot of videos on various interesting things that are good. 04:26 dcook Apparently Korean is super interesting when it comes to counting 04:26 dcook No, not counting 04:26 dcook Placement I think... 04:26 dcook He seems like he'd be good for a few things 04:28 mtompset Good video. 04:32 mtompset Have a great day, #koha eythian dcook. 04:33 * dcook ponders patching bulkmarcimport.pl 04:34 dcook But... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0 04:34 dcook Well, not the actual patching. Just the process... 04:35 dcook fix is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0 04:35 dcook fix? 04:35 wahanui somebody said fix was going to be something else 04:35 dcook fix? 04:35 wahanui fix is going to be something else 04:35 dcook hmm 04:35 dcook fix is also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0 04:35 wahanui okay, dcook. 04:35 dcook fix? 04:35 wahanui well, fix is going to be something else 04:35 dcook fix? 04:35 wahanui fix is probably https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0 04:42 dcook Hehe. Like this line in updatadatabase.pl: "Upgrade to 3.15.00.000 done (the road goes ever on)" 04:42 dcook "Upgrade to 3.17.00.000 done (there is no time to rest on our laurels)" 04:46 eythian hi cait 04:46 dcook hey cait 05:01 * cait waves 05:04 dcook Hmm, I seem to recall there being an issue with system preference caching... 05:05 dcook eythian: Didn't you do a fix for that? 05:05 eythian there is, sometimes 05:05 eythian yeah 05:05 eythian I need to re-do it actually 05:05 eythian after doing it, I wrote a proper caching system, and the syspref fix doesn't use it. 05:06 dcook Hmm 05:08 dcook I suppose for now I should just use "C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache();" ? 05:08 dcook bulkmarcimport.pl temporarily changes CataloguingLog, but it with caching it doesn't actually change... 05:08 eythian ah, that'd be an issue 05:09 dcook Totes 05:09 eythian yeah, I think then you should call that 05:09 dcook Sweet. 05:09 dcook Would I need to re-enable it afterward? 05:09 dcook I suppose for Plack setups... 05:10 eythian it's just an in-process cache, I think 05:10 eythian it's not setting any global state 05:10 dcook Admittedly, I don't know how that works with Plack :/ 05:11 eythian it'll just apply to the bulkmarcimport.pl process 05:11 dcook So that means C4::Context gets re-loaded regularly with Plack? 05:12 eythian no, you're not setting it in plack if you call it from bulkmarcimport 05:14 dcook Stop me if I'm wrong... in both Plack and non-Plack, bulkmarcimport.pl will load C4::Context, then calling C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache(); will create a new C4::Context object and disable the syspref cache, then the object is destroyed at the end of the process? 05:14 eythian yeah, though I'm not sure that it creates a new C4::Context (it might, I can't remember.) 05:14 dcook Or is it with Plack it would only load C4::Context when Plack goes up, but the object is still created and destroyed within the process? 05:14 eythian plack has nothing to do with bulkmarcimport 05:15 eythian bulkmarcimport doesn't know nor care that you have plack somewhere else. 05:15 dcook So long as there are no "our" variables? 05:15 dcook Admittedly, I've only poked at Plack a little bit so far 05:15 eythian it's a totally different process. The only communication they have is via the database or memcache. 05:16 dcook Interesting.. 05:16 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 05:16 dcook So what sort of persistence does Plack provide then? 05:17 eythian it serves multiple requests with one process, so once C4::Context etc. is loaded in that particular process, it doesn't need to be loaded again. 05:19 dcook Multiple requests you say? 05:19 eythian yeah 05:19 eythian that's why it's faster 05:19 eythian the startup overhead only happens once per process 05:20 dcook And how often is a process initiated? 05:20 eythian it depends. You might have 10 on startup, and it gets killed after say 50 requests. 05:21 eythian when it's killed a new one is started. 05:22 dcook Hmm, I think that leads me to more questions, which I might not burden you with at the moment 05:22 dcook Suffice it to say, I won't bother re-enabling the syspref cache in this case :) 05:22 eythian good, because I have to leave in a few minutes :) 05:22 dcook Me too, so I should hurry up on this patch 05:29 dcook Yay...now I won't get a million entries in my action_logs... 05:29 dcook Of course, I suppose I could've just turned off AuthoritiesLogging this time... 05:29 dcook Actually, I think I might do that rather than do a local patch while waiting for this one to be signed off... 05:42 dcook Interesting...if I slump forward I get sunlight reflecting off a window, but if I have proper posture there is no glare 05:42 dcook Need to get more windows around here... 06:14 pianohacker jaysis I never closed my IRC! 07:52 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (9:50 AM CEST on August 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 07:59 Viktor Hi! 07:59 Viktor Is anyone aware of any work on a separate renewal fee for item types? 08:00 Viktor We have DVDs that should cost the same for each renewals while ILLs is a one off fee where renewals are free. 08:01 Viktor Asking so I don't post a duplicate thread on Bugzilla. 08:02 cait Viktor: hm I can't remember something like that 08:02 cait but we'd have a similar problem i think 08:06 Viktor It's not the end of the world of course. But it would be a welcome improvement 08:08 Viktor Then I think a bugzilla thread might be called for. But as it feels like a patch that needs to store an extra parameter in the database it might be a little over my head. 08:28 cait maybe a step by step thing 08:28 cait the change int he database is not too bad 08:29 cait i think the rental fee is charged every time 08:29 cait for checkout and for renewal 08:29 cait the hold/reserve fee is what we use for ILL 08:29 cait bit it depends on the workflow 08:30 Viktor Hm - wondering if I missed an important part 08:31 Viktor I only see rental fee under item types. Does hold/reserve fee live i syspref? 08:31 cait Viktor: ah you are right... we wanted to use it, but it's by patron category 08:31 cait it's been a while, our ill workflow is not in production yet 08:32 Viktor Ah. Glad I didn't miss an important part though :) 08:32 cait sorry for confusing 08:32 cait hm guess right now ill fee is a bit complicated 08:32 Viktor No problem. Being confused is part of the fun. 08:32 cait apart from putting it on the account manually 08:33 Viktor Yes. Manually is no fun.. 08:33 Viktor Another ILL-thought. A "per item type" flag for "allow patron renewals" would be great. 08:34 Viktor DVDs is fine if they renew by themselves but ILLs require the staff to check with issuing library before allowing renewal. A "request renewal" would be better for those. 08:45 cait Viktor: hm you can do renewals in the circulation matrix 09:02 Viktor @cait - Sorry. Browser acting up. Working away from regular computer and no IRC-client. 09:02 huginn Viktor: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 09:10 cait Viktor: i only said that for the renwals the configuratin is in the circ matrix now - so that shodl be ok 09:18 cait Viktor: ah... sorry, i am a bit slow today 09:18 cait Viktor: you could allow staff to override renewal limits 09:18 cait and set it to 0 for the patrons 09:41 Viktor Good idea. I think that is how we have it configured actually :) 09:42 Viktor But am I right that this will block borrower renewals altogheter? 09:43 Viktor I'd like to see a middle ground where you can still do a "request renewal from staff" where the renewal is handled by the staff as we do with tags etc. 10:19 cait renewals for this cmbination of itemtype/patron category/library 10:19 cait we use a separate itemtype for ill material 10:21 Viktor We do too :) Just thought it would be cool if people could still request a renewal in opac in the middle of the night. At least I as a patron would like that instead of having to wait until morning and call the library :) 10:55 cait @later tell Viktor - true :) 10:55 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 10:55 cait @seen ashimema 10:55 huginn cait: ashimema was last seen in #koha 4 days, 3 hours, 24 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <ashimema> laters 12:44 tcohen morning! 12:44 wahanui morning is, like, a state of the cait 12:59 tcohen oleonard: how do I add the calendar button to a form field? 13:01 oleonard tcohen: Often all you need is 'class="datepicker"' on the input 13:02 tcohen can the class be appended using jquery? 13:02 tcohen i was using $("#dateenrolled").datepicker({ maxDate: "-1D" }); 13:02 tcohen which adds the datepicker, but no icon 13:03 tcohen .addClass :-D 13:19 oleonard I disagree with the style changes made by Bug 12576 but I don't know if it's because of reasons or because I'm a stick-in-the-mud 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, seanh, Signed Off , search links need style id 14:31 cait oleonard: still around? 14:31 oleonard yes 14:32 cait not sure what a stick-in-the-mud is... but I added you in cc to the bug because I had similar feelings :) 14:37 oleonard A stick-in-the-mud is someone who doesn't like new things because they're different. 14:37 cait ah 14:37 cait is there a story to it or something? 14:37 cait why it's called so? 14:38 oleonard No idea :) I don't even know if it's a widely-used expression in the US or if it's a regional thing 14:38 cait it's a patch from a new contributor 14:38 cait i think it will make all links look the same? 14:38 cait all being buttons? 14:42 oleonard I think it's good that the links look like links because they look less important 14:42 oleonard But it is also true that the styling of the buttons make them appear less important too, but in a different way. 14:42 wahanui okay, oleonard. 14:43 oleonard okay what wahanui ? 14:43 wahanui i am a bot 14:43 oleonard But it? 14:47 cait but it 14:47 cait wahanui is being weird 14:47 cait i think i haven't looked at the styleing yet - i probably should 14:51 druthb wahanui: botsnack oatmeal cookie 14:51 wahanui :) 15:24 paul_p cait ? 15:24 wahanui cait: go to bed 15:24 paul_p not really a time to go to bed yet ;-) 15:25 paul_p cait = is it true that the german national library has closed its z39.50 server ? How do you copy catalogue then ? 15:25 * oleonard waves to paul_p 15:26 paul_p hi oleonard. I hope the mud is not annoying you too much :D 15:27 cait paul_p: i think they offer sru now 15:27 cait paul_p: and there are still union catalogs offering z39.50 15:27 paul_p cait right. but how do you manage copy catlaoguing with Koha then ? 15:27 cait we have our own target 15:27 paul_p own target ??? 15:28 cait the swb unoin catalog still offers z39.50 15:28 cait it's only the nationa library that does not 15:28 cait and i am not sure if they totally closed it - but i remember they don't offer for authorities 15:29 cait https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:z39.50neu 15:29 cait paul_p: remember, we are a bit similar to abes i think 15:29 paul_p cait (thanks, it's for a -I hope future- customer that has german books & would like retro-cataloguing) 15:30 cait it's free you can use ours 15:30 paul_p "give me a XSL with scanned ISBN, and we populate your database" 15:30 cait bibliographic and authorities 15:30 paul_p s/xsl/xls/ ;-) 15:30 cait hm the result might not be what they expect 15:31 cait given different editions can have different isbn etc 15:31 cait other union catalogs also offer z39.50 - but only marc21 I think not unimarc 15:37 Mahdi i'm setting up a fresh amazon machine to run a Koha instance. are there any suggestions about which machine is a better option? 16:30 indradg Hi oleonard... around? 16:30 oleonard yes 16:32 indradg sorry i wasnt clear enough on the m/l. the kohanews block (in the case I was working on) was large enough that it was pushing the new block almost down to the edge of the screen 16:33 indradg the idea behind pages.pl is (if I have it right) for news and other other updates that admins might want to publish... that why I was trying to bounce the idea 16:33 indradg nothing more 16:34 oleonard I still don't understand the problem. News is displaying but you don't want it to? You want news to display but too much displays? 16:37 oleonard Anyone hear any news from Koha North America conference? 16:41 WNickC Just getting underway 16:42 WNickC nengard is going to share the agenda asap 16:43 oleonard Oh yeah, time zones. 17:41 oleonard So a few days ago I found that I couldn't run xt/author/valid-templates.t without error, but some reported that it worked if the Perl version was 5.18.2 17:41 oleonard Anyone have any idea why a test would work with Perl v5.18.2 but not 5.14.2? 17:45 tcohen oleonard: jenkins nodes aren't having trouble with it 18:41 pianohacker hello 18:41 wahanui bidet, pianohacker 18:44 cait hm 18:44 cait my flight schedule just completely changed 18:44 cait i am arriving earlier, and leaving later... but still leave and arrive at the same time 18:45 cait and hi pianohacker :) 18:45 cait did i give you karma for helping me yesterday yet? pianohacker++ :D 18:49 pianohacker hahaha yes you did, but I always love me some internet points 19:42 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Errors following new package install on Ubuntu 14" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/144 19:43 oleonard Anyone know what I should do about those errors? 19:46 pianohacker oleonard: Those errors should correspond to some other message during the installatin 19:52 cait oleonard: hm i think therw as something about the apachee itk lately 19:53 cait hm maybe 19:53 cait http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Deb-package-causes-conflicts-td4521315.html 19:53 cait hm way too old, forget that 19:55 cait oleonard: maybe this? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11404#c6 19:55 huginn 04Bug 11404: major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , add out-of-the-box support for Apache 2.4 20:44 bag hi there 20:45 rangi hi bag 20:45 rangi hows hte conf going 20:45 bag it’s going well 20:52 bag rangi: is mibbit banned from irc? 20:52 ryanleesipes Hello Nicole. 20:52 bag hello nengard 20:52 WNickC_ Hi nengard 20:52 nengard Hi from the Koha Users Group meeting! 20:52 Robin_NEKLS Hi folks!! 20:53 bag @wunder wenatchee, WA 20:53 huginn bag: The current temperature in 3rd and Elliott, Wenatchee, Washington is 33.8°C (1:52 PM PDT on August 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 20:53 bag heya carmenh - nice lunch? 20:53 carmenh lunch was great… came back with a food baby though :) 20:53 bag HA 20:53 larryb o/ NAKUG 20:54 bag agenda? 20:54 wahanui it has been said that agenda is a wiki 20:54 bag heya larryb 20:55 larryb hi bag 20:55 bag hey there jmsasse 20:55 rangi bag: yeah, dont use mibbit 20:55 jmsasse Hello everybody! 20:56 bag nengard: yup looks like mibbit is blocked 20:56 Robin_NEKLS Hi jmsasse! 20:56 rangi http://webchat.oftc.net/?channels=koha use that if you have to use a web based one 20:56 carmenh hello jmsasse…. hello rangi 20:56 carmenh :) 20:56 rangi heya carmenh 20:56 wahanui i think carmenh is a new trainer :) ... and hello cait 20:56 ryanleesipes Too bad somebody didn't post some (safe) ascii art while she had the channel pulled up 20:56 bag sweet thanks rangi 20:56 carmenh I am wahanui :) 20:56 ryanleesipes ___ 20:56 ryanleesipes ( "> 20:56 ryanleesipes )( 20:56 ryanleesipes // ) 20:56 ryanleesipes jgs --//""-- 20:56 ryanleesipes -/------ 20:57 bag NateC? 20:57 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE 20:57 bag bag? 20:57 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL 20:57 nengard nengard? 20:57 wahanui hmmm... nengard is fast 20:57 NateC :) 20:57 bag hey there NateC 20:57 rangi carmenh? 20:57 wahanui I LOVE DISNEY 20:58 ryanleesipes nengard, example 20:58 jmsasse Hiya rangi 20:58 carmenh you know it rangi!!! :) :) 20:58 bag nengard: 20:58 bag nengard: 21:00 bag zebra? 21:00 wahanui well, zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses 21:00 jmsasse rangi glad to here you are no longer blocking all betas:) 21:00 rangi :) 21:01 bag oh nengard bring up the newsletter too 21:01 bag or maybe you can have chad talk about that 21:01 rangi also 21:01 bag and let’s all thank NCRL for having us :) 21:02 rangi can someone grab library cards for me 21:02 bag oh nice 21:02 rangi https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/14000457698/ <-- to go here 21:02 bag hey rangi - can you email me your mailing address? I’ll announce it here so peeps can send you library cards 21:02 * cait waves 21:02 * bag or maybe I’ll just collect them for you 21:02 carmenh hi cait 21:03 bag heya cait 21:03 rangi if you collect them and bring them to kohacon that would be sweet! 21:04 bag oh man rangi the second picture is your leg 21:04 bag ;) 21:04 rangi heh 21:04 cait ew 21:04 cait hehe 21:05 rangi before https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/10375159583/ 21:05 rangi after https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/10374977936/ 21:06 jmsasse Hi cait. Wie geht's heute? :) 21:07 LordOfKoha ByWater? 21:07 wahanui well, ByWater is a great place to work! 21:08 LordOfKoha naug? 21:08 cait jmsasse: good, how are you? 21:09 mario bag: 21:09 bag mario: 21:10 mario hey all 21:22 jmsasse cait: I'm good, thank you. 21:22 cait @seen ashimema 21:22 huginn cait: ashimema was last seen in #koha 4 days, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <ashimema> laters 21:23 cait jmsasse: having fun at nakug? 21:25 jmsasse cait: yes:) 21:25 cait :) 21:43 rangi hehe 21:43 rangi https://twitter.com/karencoyle/status/497072124540907520 21:46 pianohacker I really was not expecting that in an academic style paper 21:47 wizzyrea ...cascading vortex or horror is not a phrase that was previously in my vocabulary but I am glad that it is now. 21:48 rangi im reading this 21:48 rangi https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CSQMS_XbZVeA2IaniTQf_edqQaB4CJ6Ajk97MTWdU18/edit 21:48 rangi and there is a logical fallacy here 21:48 rangi http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 21:48 wahanui http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise 21:48 rangi check the numbers 21:49 rangi there are only 54 patches at signed off 21:49 rangi 187!!! waiting for sign off 21:49 rangi the bottle neck is not qa 21:49 rangi its initial sign off 21:49 rangi id edit the doc, but it wont let me 21:49 * cait agrees 21:49 pianohacker where is this from? 21:50 cait it also was down to 30 last week or so 21:50 rangi from NAKUG 21:50 rangi yeah 21:50 cait just went up a bit, will go down again 21:50 rangi qa is not, and hasnt been for a few years, where the bottle neck is 21:50 cait also - more sign offs, more testing... faster qa 21:50 rangi yep 21:50 cait less things get failed 21:50 rangi yep 21:50 cait and need to be redone 21:51 rangi the fact is 21:51 cait it takes a lot of time to come back to a bug again and again, so more eyes before it hits qa could also help that 21:51 wizzyrea ^ I think this is why people see QA as a bottleneck. 21:51 wizzyrea because you want quality, things get kicked out. 21:51 wizzyrea and that's OK!! 21:51 rangi bernardo has done 115 signoffs 21:51 cait wizzyrea: i can promise it's not fun... because those bugs keep coming back at you! like zombies heh 21:51 rangi marc has done 88 21:51 cait but it's good, of course they should 21:52 wizzyrea but people need to understand that dynamic. 21:52 wizzyrea bad solutions = qa kicks it out. 21:52 wizzyrea until it's a good solution. 21:52 rangi a few people are shouldering most of hte signoffs 21:52 rangi thats where the problem is imho 21:53 cait yeah, overall, we need more hands, but can't lessen quality control 21:53 cait lessen right word there? 21:53 wizzyrea (and testing the same things over and over is tiresome, for sure) 21:53 rangi pianohacker: its https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CSQMS_XbZVeA2IaniTQf_edqQaB4CJ6Ajk97MTWdU18/edit (from the NAKUG meeting) 21:53 rangi cait: yep you can use lessen in that way 21:53 cait cool :) 21:53 wizzyrea but that means we need more people willing to sign off, not more people to QA 21:53 rangi you could also use relax 21:54 cait ah thx 21:54 rangi wizzyrea: what you said 21:55 wizzyrea also reducing scope creep would be good. 21:56 rangi how many NA libraries .. 600 or so? 21:56 rangi 1 each a year 21:56 rangi holy crap thats 600 21:56 rangi problem solved 21:56 rangi im a math genius :) 21:56 cait lol 21:56 wizzyrea (we knew that) 21:57 cait rangi: does it mean you are going to do my math homework for me now? 21:57 cait i can do more qa that way :P 21:57 rangi only if its not combinatorics 21:57 cait it's encryption algorithms 21:57 bag yeah no worries rangi - we are pushing sign-offs here 21:58 bag the notes aren’t totally reflecting the actual conversation that is happening 21:58 rangi sweet 21:58 cait not sure it has been mentioned - but the dashboard is missing from the notes 21:58 bag just finished demoing sandboxes and now we’re going around helping set up people with a nice sign-off system 21:59 bag yeah don’t over react about the notes - those are from nicole - but she’s in the middle of talking at the same time - we’ll clean the notes up in a bit :) 21:59 rangi cait: you could always ask sonja (bag's wife) to help with math :) 21:59 bag goal tomorrow is to get everyone into the computer lab here and go at it 21:59 bag cait ANYTIME!!!! 21:59 rangi thats the 2nd time this week ive been accused of over reacting 21:59 cait the problem might be understanding her in english :) 22:00 cait i have trouble with the vocabulary in german already! 22:00 bag HA rangi I wasn’t accusing you - I was accusing everyone - don’t think I picked on just you 22:00 cait rangi: where now? 22:00 wahanui somebody said now was good time with holidays coming up 22:00 cait oh 22:00 cait time for sleep 22:00 bag night night cait 22:00 * cait just turned into a pumkin 22:01 cait it's midnight here :) 22:01 wizzyrea I'm ok with being accused of over-reacting - but it's more that I'm emphatic. 22:01 bag “don’t over react “ I guess /me just uses that as common speak 22:01 bag bag-- 22:01 huginn bag: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 22:01 wizzyrea ;) 22:01 * wizzyrea pats bag 22:01 cait bag: could you encourage them to write up how they test/what they test? 22:01 cait i always find that very helpful 22:01 bag will try cait 22:01 LordOfKoha I need a hug. Was just FORCED to do a presentation on Sandboxes with NO PREP! 22:02 bag LordOfKoha++ 22:02 * wizzyrea hugs LordOfKoha 22:02 wizzyrea i hope that's not weird. 22:03 * pianohacker blinks 22:07 LordOfKoha Great, a bot hug 22:07 wizzyrea err 22:08 LordOfKoha Liz, you're not a bot! 22:08 LordOfKoha hahaha 22:08 LordOfKoha sorry 22:08 wizzyrea ^.^ 22:08 LordOfKoha I can't keep this place straight! 22:08 wizzyrea ok now I have to know who you are >.> 22:09 bag wizzyrea: I’ll give you a hint 22:09 bag CIN 22:09 wizzyrea ummmmm 22:10 wizzyrea nope. Nuthin. 22:10 LordOfKoha :) 22:10 bag last night is the name of a yogurt 22:10 bag that’s the last one 22:10 * cait can't sleep with you all talking in here :P 22:10 bag you are on your own now 22:10 LordOfKoha I'm being ratted out! 22:11 wizzyrea Name of a yogurt? now you're just being obtuse 22:12 bag obtuse!!! 22:12 bag ouch wizzyrea 22:12 * wizzyrea guesses it's not Richard Peachesncream 22:12 bag well your husband has an excellent radio voice wizzyrea 22:12 LordOfKoha I could call bag a bot. 22:12 wizzyrea hehe yes he does. 22:12 bag wizzyrea: that’s the best dig I could come up with 22:12 wizzyrea lol, obtuse is just obtuse >.> 22:13 bag oh even better - wizzyrea your husband looks like a MLB baseball player 22:13 wizzyrea OH NO you've just crossed a line there bag. 22:13 bag !!!! 22:14 wizzyrea hafthor bjornsson is who he looks like. 22:14 LordOfKoha Hi pianohacker! 22:14 cait wizzyrea: i think now he got you distracted 22:14 cait and i was relying on you to figure out the riddle :) 22:15 wizzyrea the only yogurt I can think of is peaches and cream. 22:15 eythian hi 22:15 wahanui hola, eythian 22:15 wizzyrea OH WAIT. 22:15 bag yeah wizzyrea think company name 22:15 bag lightbulb !!!! 22:16 wizzyrea http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgn6chbBdF1qa6j6co1_500.gif 22:16 LordOfDuh There we go...a better fitting name 22:17 wizzyrea hrmph. 22:17 * cait is still confused 22:17 wizzyrea Dannon 22:17 cait danone? 22:17 LordOfDuh Brannon 22:17 wizzyrea well hi :) 22:17 LordOfDuh :) 22:21 * cait waves 22:21 cait now i want yoghurt 22:21 LordOfDuh I think we should remove scanning from inventory 22:22 wizzyrea cait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G17wQR3DL0 22:23 cait yes yes... i know 22:23 wizzyrea :) 22:26 LordOfDuh Now I don't like yogurt. Thanks bag. 22:29 pianohacker hi LordOfDuh 22:30 LordOfDuh pianohacker, are you writing any amazing code? 22:30 wizzyrea that's the wrong question. 22:30 wizzyrea pianohacker, what amazing code are you writing right now? 22:30 LordOfDuh ah. Duh. ;) 22:31 pianohacker I'm writing a macro language! 22:32 LordOfDuh Macros for cataloging? 22:32 pianohacker yup, for the new editor 22:32 pianohacker http://paste.koha-community.org/122 22:32 WNickC_ someone suggested today it would be nice of the macros were like authorized values and could be liimited as to who sees them 22:32 jmsasse quit 22:33 LordOfDuh I would just like macros for several tasks in Koha staff in general. 22:33 LordOfDuh pianohacker can you do that next? 22:33 LordOfDuh ;) 22:33 pianohacker hi, WNickC_. The macros already are limited; they're stored per-user 22:34 pianohacker LordOfDuh: of course ;) what specific areas, though? 22:34 WNickC_ yay! you read our minds! 22:34 pianohacker I'd like to have some sort of shared macro functionality, but that's down the line 22:35 bag yo pianohacker 22:35 bag what’s up man 22:35 WNickC_ pianohacker: are they stored in browser? or actually on the system 22:35 bag we demo’d your rancor today 22:37 pianohacker woot woot 22:37 LordOfDuh Seriously, though, when we pull holds that have been sitting too long, we have to search for the item, pull up the patron, write a note in the patron messages that they didn't pick up the item, then cancel the hold, and then check it in to trigger the next hold. It would be great if you have a repetitive group of tasks that you do over and over, if you could do it like a macro. :) 22:38 pianohacker WNickC_: In browser 22:38 pianohacker I have export/import functionality on the list, don't worry :) 22:38 pianohacker LordOfDuh: Ah, yeah. That kind of cross-module scripting would be rather tricky 22:39 LordOfDuh So you'll do it! Yay! 22:39 eythian when we have a nice ajax type API, then that sort of thing will become a lot more possible 22:39 pianohacker Yup 22:39 * pianohacker hides behind his "talk to my boss" mask 22:41 LordOfDuh Gotta run and talk with people face to face. Later! 22:46 pianohacker marc question; is it possible to ha 22:47 pianohacker *have indicators that are something besides a number or blank? 22:48 eythian pianohacker: according to the MARC standard, yes. 22:48 eythian (i.e. the MARC file format, I don't know if MARC21 or something ever actually does.) 22:48 pianohacker eythian: yeah, that's the main question 22:49 rangi probably in RDA you can 22:49 rangi a cascading vortex of horror of indicators 22:49 pianohacker I mean, MARC proper doesn't even require numeric field numbers 22:49 pianohacker heheheh 23:14 * dcook ponders 23:15 bag pianohacker: no hiding behind me :) I trust your judgement 23:15 bag nengard: where are you? 23:15 nengard at the hotel with dani, rocio, carmen and todd 23:15 nengard we wanted to work quietly 23:15 bag nengard: power cable? 23:16 bag one sec 23:16 nengard front of the room 23:16 bag Kyle just grabbed it YO 23:16 nengard thank you both!! 23:16 nengard If my battery dies before you return here I'll head back out to get it :) 23:16 nengard but I think I'm okay 23:17 nengard carmen has the new mac so her charger won't work on my old one :( 23:17 bag we’ll probably leave here in about 45 23:18 nengard hey #koha if anyoen wants to read the rough notes from the users group meeting today you are welcome - they are at: http://goo.gl/I62TGm 23:24 eythian g'day papa 23:25 * dcook was wondering what all this grabbing and hiding was about :p 23:49 dcook I love that Microsoft have a Windows app for troubleshooting issues with Windows... 23:51 dcook Right...so I need a Microsoft Account just to install some software onto Windows 8.1... 23:51 * dcook thinks this isn't going to happen 23:52 pianohacker what are you talking about in an open source channel >:( 23:52 nengard yeah ... what the heck is going on here?? 23:52 pianohacker we're far too polite to kick you out, but we'll give you very meaningful looks 23:52 dcook All the more reason to use open source :p 23:53 dcook I use open source at home... :(