Time  Nick      Message
00:09 rangi     mtj: melrose
00:15 mtj       hey rangi, dcook :0)
00:16 rangi     heya mtj
00:16 mtj       friday stupid question... does anyone know why koha-zebra-stop only works on enabled instances?
00:17 rangi     cos zebra wont be running on disabled instances?
00:18 eythian   in an ideal world, it won't be.
00:19 eythian   disabling an instance should call koha-stop-zebra
00:19 mtj       zebra does indeed run for disabled kohas
00:19 eythian   and it isn't launched on boot
00:19 eythian   (and koha-start-zebra won't work on disabled instances.)
00:19 eythian   mtj: it shouldn't
00:20 eythian   if it gets into a state where it can, it's probably a bug. That said, koha-stop-zebra should check for that to make it easy to get out of an inconsistent state.
00:22 mtj       hmm, for me ... something starts zebras for all kohas, regardless of whether they are enabled, or otherwise
00:23 mtj       ill check that...
00:24 eythian   mtj: with packages?
00:24 mtj       yep
00:24 eythian   koha-start-zebra tests for enabled status
00:24 * eythian -> lunch
00:25 mtj       yeah, i see that...
00:25 mtj       koha-start-zebra $(koha-list --enabled)
00:25 mtj       well, thats good to know
00:26 mtj       ..i'm fxd if i know what happening on my box then ?!
00:28 mtj       aaah, click
00:28 mtj       its koha-create
00:29 mtj       which makes a koha, starts its zebra... and leaves it disabled
00:31 mtj       heh, actually thats not true ^^
00:32 mtj       calyx is running a modded version of koha-create... that disables the koha without stopping zebra
00:33 mtj       got there in the end :)
00:36 mtj       the actual problem i was having was koha-remove failing, coz zebra was still running
00:37 mtj       there is a line in koha-remove to stop zebra... but that was failing too (as the koha was disabled)
00:39 mtj       i was trying to work out which of those 2 scripts to fix, ...turns out the bug was in koha-create
00:45 dcook     Glad you got it sorted, mtj :)
01:12 dcook     It's funny...I just wrote a service for doing checkins and checkouts. Didn't realize that bug 11703 would do that too :p
01:12 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
01:38 dcook     What do folks use for buying books online?
01:38 * dcook   says as a librarian/library software developer who avoids his local library
01:39 * dcook   seems to recall eythian using Tor
01:39 dcook     Or maybe it's Pan Macmillan...
01:39 eythian   dcook: ebooks or physical books?
01:40 dcook     Mmm, physical books
01:40 eythian   Book Depository, generally
01:40 dcook     I don't tend to read ebooks, although maybe I'll start when I get that tablet
01:40 dcook     Interesting
01:40 wahanui   i guess Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
01:40 dcook     I just got a book from there.
01:40 eythian   tablets are good for ebooks
01:40 dcook     Free shipping and cheaper than list price...
01:40 dcook     eythian: I hope so :)
01:40 eythian   The shipping takes just long enough that by the time it arrives, I've forgotten I ordered it.
01:40 eythian   So it's like a magical present.
01:40 dcook     My Galaxy S3 is bigger than my LG Optimus One was, but still too small for quality reading
01:41 dcook     hehe
01:41 dcook     I love when that happens!
01:41 * dcook   thinks about when these were ordered
01:41 dcook     Week and a half ago
01:41 dcook     5 were ordered but only one has been packed and shipped so far though, I think
01:42 * dcook   sometimes fantasizes about having a "Like" button on Bugzilla comments
01:44 * tcohen  thinks dcook should be happy with his S3, his Nexus 5 is rebooting several times per hour
01:45 dcook     Oh, as a phone, I love my S3
01:45 dcook     That sucks about your Nexus 5 :(
01:45 dcook     I was fortunate to get the latest gen S3 as well so it can use 4G as well despite being an older model
01:46 * tcohen  has to send it to Spain to ask Google for replacement :-/
01:46 dcook     :(
01:47 dcook     How long have you had it, tcohen?
01:47 tcohen    a lot
01:47 tcohen    about 3 month
01:47 tcohen    :-)
01:49 dcook     Ah, not too long then!
01:49 dcook     I suppose I've had mine about...6 months now
01:50 rangi     actually no
01:50 rangi     that list does not take the pressure off
01:50 dcook     ?
01:50 rangi     now i just have to correct misunderstandings from that as well as the FUD from proprietary vendors
01:50 rangi     </rant about email on the mailing list>
01:53 rangi     [off] also if you think ptfs and libllime belong in the same list as catalyst, equinox and bywater then you definitely should not be writing any stuff about koha or evergreen
01:54 * tcohen  feels is missing a part of the list conversation
01:55 tcohen    [off] ah, just received it
02:06 tcohen    bye rangi
02:11 dcook     [off] totes
02:15 eythian   https://kristopolous.github.io/BOOTSTRA.386/ <-- oh wow, we need to plug this into a Koha for people migrating from old terminal systems.
02:15 rangi     :)
02:15 dcook     eythian: That is awesome
02:28 * dcook   wonders if items.reserves is even used anymore...
02:29 rangi     it was just a counter iirc
02:29 dcook     Yeah, I think so
02:29 rangi     not sure it is anymore
02:29 dcook     I'm not sure either
02:29 dcook     I'm thinking not
02:30 dcook     I think issues and renewals are though
03:25 rangi     http://demo.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=bear&branch_group_limit=
03:40 dcook     rangi: Yes?
03:41 rangi     just checking people can see it
03:41 dcook     Mostly
03:41 dcook     "Place hold" is hard to see
03:41 dcook     Especially when it's white on white (despite the shadow)
03:42 dcook     Otherwise winning :)
03:42 rangi     hm i think there is an image missing there
03:42 dcook     Ah, could be
03:43 * dcook   changes the search to "beer"
03:43 dcook     "7. Write your way to a higher GPA : how to dramatically boost your GPA simply by sharpening your writing skills"
03:43 dcook     I like your demo :)
03:43 * dcook   always found beer + writing = A+
03:44 dcook     Well...A/A+
04:55 dcook     yo cait
04:55 dcook     Quiet today
04:57 * cait    waves
07:08 reiveune  hello
07:25 cait      good friday morning #koha :)
07:30 dcook     evening, cait :)
07:30 * dcook   wishes that issues_stats.pl worked better...
07:30 sophie_m  hello #koha
07:32 cait      evening dcook, morning sophie_m
07:33 dcook     Everyone have a good friday/weekend!
07:33 * dcook   scampers off
07:34 gaetan_B  hello
07:34 cait      hi gaetan_B :)
12:13 tcohen    morning!
12:13 wahanui   it has been said that morning is a state of the cait
13:05 tcohen    #koha : what would be the expected behaviour (on the _UI) if a biblio that is on the basket is deleted from the DB?
13:05 cait      i think what shoudl happen is that it still displays
13:05 cait      pulling the data from deleted*
13:06 cait      but I think it's not the case currently, mathieu was working on things in this area
13:06 tcohen    oh, i found the bug and noticed no one was working on it
13:06 tcohen    bug 3873
13:06 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3873 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Gracefully handle errors when item in staff client cart has been deleted
13:06 cait      aaah
13:06 cait      you mean cart
13:06 cait      i as thinking acq :)
13:06 cait      hm it's a low bug number
13:06 * tcohen  is lost in translation
13:07 cait      i thougth owen or marcel maybe had looked into that
13:07 tcohen    reported 2010, last comment 2013
13:08 cait      bug 1889
13:08 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1889 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, VERIFIED REMIND, Virtual shelves leave blank field in staff intranet when BIB is deleted
13:08 cait      bug 7252
13:08 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7252 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Lists inaccessible when one or more MARC records listed have been deleted
13:09 cait      bug 7258
13:09 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7258 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cannot delete a title from a list if the bibliographic record has been deleted
13:09 tcohen    we don't seem to have a method for accessing deleted_biblio
13:10 tcohen    deletedbiblio
13:10 cait      bug 8638
13:10 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8638 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Display title of deleted biblios in cancelled orders
13:10 cait      all the same somehow
13:10 cait      well the same basic question
13:11 tcohen    i think DBIx should do it better than this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=28514
13:11 tcohen    ok, time to learn DBIx :-D
13:11 cait      hehe
13:11 cait      yep!
13:12 cait      so then you can teach me in argentina :)
13:12 tcohen    khall_away will
13:12 cait      oh is he coming?
13:12 tcohen    (hopefully)
13:13 * tcohen  just expressed his wish
13:13 cait      :)
13:15 tcohen    OMFG
13:15 cait      tcohen: hm i think for the cart - maybe the record should get deleted
13:15 cait      for the one in opac
13:15 tcohen    i was thinking on the staff side
13:16 cait      the entry in the cart i mean
13:16 cait      ah
13:16 cait      yeah i think more information there might be better
13:16 tcohen    and i've noticed that a major rewrite is needed for your intended behaviour :-/
13:16 cait      but probably harder, because you will still want to be able to remove it from the list etc.
13:16 cait      i was afraid of that
13:16 tcohen    C4::Biblio doesn't have a good API
13:17 tcohen    and there isn't C4::OldBiblio
13:17 tcohen    can table names be passed variable names in DBIx?
13:18 tcohen    like in
13:18 tcohen    $schema->resultset( $correct_biblio_table )->find( $biblionumber );
13:32 cait      tcohen: C4/Maintenance.pm - that was once used to back records from deleted to life... :)
13:32 cait      but i think way before 3.2
13:33 tcohen    heh
13:34 cait      @wunder Konstanz
13:34 huginn    cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 24.6°C (3:30 PM CEST on July 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
13:41 bgkriegel @wunder cordoba, argentina
13:41 huginn    bgkriegel: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 10.0°C (10:00 AM ART on July 04, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
13:43 cait      we should have a thunderstorm soon... hopefully
13:43 cait      it feels very damp right now
13:46 bgkriegel we will have rains... on September
13:47 cait      hm and october?
13:47 bgkriegel may be :)
13:53 cait      bgkriegel: there is a pool i want to use! but i guess the chances are not so good
13:53 paul_p    cait = just in case => http://fr.slideshare.net/abesweb/jabes14-uwe-rischprojetcib
13:54 cait      paul_p: i have seen that one in german i think
13:54 paul_p    cait probably ;-) (this one is in english, despite the fr at the beginning of the url)
13:56 paul_p    "nice" to see that kuali is cited, but not Koha. OTOH, no-one is using Kuali yet, while Koha is widely used...
13:56 paul_p    (sarcastic "nice")
13:57 cait      difficult topic I think
13:57 bgkriegel cait: what pool?
13:57 cait      i think my accomodation has one
14:01 tcohen    hi paul_p!
14:01 paul_p    hello tcohen
14:01 cait      paul_p: ready for the soccer game? :)
14:01 paul_p    tcohen what about a final France <> Argentina ?
14:01 paul_p    cait not yet but soon.
14:01 tcohen    i hope not :-P
14:02 cait      paul_p: iwhat about germany <> argentina?
14:02 paul_p    tcohen why ? you think Argentina will loose before the final ?
14:02 paul_p    cait mmm... no, not a good idea.
14:02 paul_p    cait I prefer mine :D :D
14:02 cait      we will see... :)
14:02 tcohen    you have a strong team, I prefer Brazil
14:02 cait      to be honest, i mostly look forward to the bbq tonight
14:03 cait      and then the game will be a nice addition :)
14:05 jcamins   What's the culture like?
14:06 jcamins   Sorry, wrong window.
14:06 jcamins   @wunder 11375
14:06 huginn    jcamins: The current temperature in South Richmond Hill, South Richmond Hill, New York is 23.4°C (10:06 AM EDT on July 04, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling).  Flash Flood Watch in effect until noon EDT today... 
14:06 jcamins   Pfeh. Flash floods.
14:08 gaetan_B  bug 11030 should be pretty easy to qa for someone having a lazy friday ;)
14:08 huginn    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Signed Off , Add 359, 947 and 969 fields in french unimarc_complete framework
14:08 cait      gaetan_B: what is a lazy friday?
14:09 gaetan_B  i meant a friday were you don't feel like working too much :p
14:09 cait      i know the queue is getting a bit long right now, but hard to find time
14:30 pastebot  "tcohen" at pasted "Learning DBIx: how does this look?" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/78
14:32 tcohen    anyone?
14:32 wahanui   anyone is free to organize one at any time :-)
14:36 bgkriegel tcohen: looks clean. What's the result, a hashref?
14:37 tcohen    a result object
14:37 tcohen    i'm having trouble to reach CPAN
14:37 tcohen    (to read the docs)
14:39 bgkriegel Mmmm, 503 Service Unavailable!
14:40 gaetan_B  bye!
14:40 bgkriegel and ... 504 Gateway Time-out
14:41 tcohen    yeap
14:44 bgkriegel http://www.dbix-class.org/documentation.html
14:45 tcohen    thanks bgkriegel
14:45 bgkriegel :)
14:49 tcohen    YAY: DBIx::Class::ResultClass::HashRefInflator
14:50 tcohen    now i understood what khall_away said yesterday!
14:53 pastebot  "tcohen" at pasted "bgkriegel: this returns a hashref" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/79
14:54 reiveune  bye
15:01 cait      tcohen: think a lot of people are already gone for today
15:03 tcohen    good point
15:05 jcamins   I think a lot of people were never here for today.
15:07 bgkriegel hehe
15:08 cait      i think a holiday in US
15:08 cait      oh
15:08 jcamins   Yep.
15:48 tcohen    @later tell gmcharlt is it possible to have the relations between Deletedbiblio and Deletedbiblioitems in Koha::Schema ?
15:48 huginn    tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:57 bgkriegel "Football is a simple game. Twenty-two men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans always win." G. Lineker
18:11 huginn    New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Bug 8567: Set output directory for fines.pl in cron config created by the... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=16250f76d2bbdbee0cb8d6115a80c182e84e94e4>
19:57 ivan_     Hello. I am on Ubuntu 14.04  and after a large import search is not finding any of my imported records. Zebra is running and I have run koha-rebuild-zebra without error.
19:58 ivan_     I am not sure how to tell if the the rebuild even worked. I have my rebuild command output if someone cares.