Time Nick Message 23:37 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: add DBRev for 3.16.1 release 23:37 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: release notes for Koha 3.16.1 23:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #7: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/7/ 23:19 gmcharlt eythian: yep, I figured you might do that 23:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12143 - hiding alternate address on patron self registration doesn't hide heading <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37ec008df79d36f065b1138912cbfd2b3d37565f> 23:15 eythian never mind, I'll roll it in anyway. 23:15 eythian oh bother, I forgot to make that patch 23:12 gmcharlt Koha 3.16.1 is now available - http://koha-community.org/koha-3-16-1-released/ 23:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #7 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 22:38 eythian hi 22:28 wizzyrea hi 20:18 huginn rhcl: jcamins was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <jcamins> 3.12.9 works fine for me. 20:18 rhcl @seen jcamins 20:10 kathryn hi cait 20:10 cait good morning kathryn :) 20:09 kathryn morning :) 20:05 cait oleonard++ # all those lovely patches 20:04 oleonard_ Bye #koha 19:19 cait ih tcohen 19:11 tcohen hi #koha 18:53 oleonard Okay then I'll stop :P 18:52 pianohacker oleonard: I think you're one of the few people that sends patches to the mailing list these days, is the thing. 18:44 * oleonard wonders if more recent version of git can git-send-email patches with lines longer than 998 characters 18:44 CBrannon \nick MasterOfAllThingsFluffy 18:43 barton yeah, and talljoy was waving a magic wand around in #bywater ... 18:42 CBrannon oleonard: nice 18:42 barton CBrannon, you're not the first person who's said that ... 18:41 oleonard He must have asked someone to make him a sandwich 18:41 CBrannon barton: you're a little strange. :) 18:36 cait :) 18:33 CBrannon cait: I don't claim to have any skill in speaking German. :) Hooray Germany. :) 18:28 cait CBrannon: hm not sure i understand :) but the result was 0:1 for germany 18:20 CBrannon Ist die USA gehen, um zu gewinnen? 18:01 CBrannon Ah...I was trying to figure out what was going on. 18:01 cait you can subscribe to the bugs mailing list if you want info about updates 18:00 cait and it will bring up the link 18:00 cait and you can always refer to a bug using bug <number> here 18:00 cait and the results of the automated testing 18:00 cait whensomething goes into master that is reported here 18:00 cait CBrannon: hmm updates are not... commits i think are still 17:59 CBrannon Are bug updates being posted to the IRC? 17:58 oleonard Must be something about how the font renders at certain sizes... 17:58 oleonard Oh and it gets weirder... The arrows appear correctly if I scale the font size up or down... 17:57 cait :) 17:57 CBrannon I'll probably send a message to Jonathan an ask. It would be helpful if it did. Maybe they can figure out a way to enter multiple bug numbers separated by commas, if it doesn't already. 17:57 oleonard It's weird: http://www.screencast.com/t/YtBR8MBiyHg 17:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12464 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Bootstrap XSLT view no longer displaying 505 correctly formatted 17:57 oleonard Bug 12464 I mean. 17:57 oleonard But 12464 is caused by some missing CSS not transferred from the prog theme, but copying the relevant CSS doesn't entirely fix the problem. 17:55 cait Joubu would know, but I think it's too late for him to be around 17:54 cait hm not sure 17:52 CBrannon Does anyone know if you can apply more than one patch at a time on a sandbox? Particularly if one patch depends on another? 17:51 cait you are doing well, really, don't worry 17:50 CBrannon Good. I know I've been making some mistakes, but I am trying to get procedures down. I miss some things too when the ticket gets so long. :P 17:49 cait i had missed that 17:49 cait yes :) 17:49 CBrannon cait: so was it appropriate that I brought up the themes in the bug, since the feature was showing up in them? 17:46 cait CBrannon: no problem, just ask - and thx for taking the times to write notes about your testing, i really like that :) 17:46 rangi hi oleonard 17:46 rangi and yes it should, and yeah, thats a new feature so will only go in master, so actually adding the changes to prog .. would make the patch fail qa 17:46 CBrannon Okay. Thanks. Still figuring things out. :) 17:46 oleonard Hi rangi 17:46 cait for a bugfix it would be discussable if it should be backported, but then best to make a separate patch for each theme 17:46 cait CBrannon: patches iwth new features are not backported to older versions 17:45 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#HTML5:_Deprecation_of_the_.27prog.27_and_.27CCSR.27_OPAC_themes 17:45 CBrannon What happens if a patch is applied to an older version though? Is there some indication that it won't work? Should the patch be limited to specific versions at that point? 17:44 cait bit distracted by watching germany vs USA :) 17:44 cait hope i ammaking sense :) 17:43 cait the next release won't have them 17:43 cait actually i tihnk we deprecated them a while ago... and now we are about to remove them totally 17:42 cait CBrannon: all the files will be removed soon I think 17:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , relative's checkouts in the opac 17:42 CBrannon I replied to your comment in bug 9303. I understand that prog and ccsr are depreciated, but I'm wondering if since they are still available as options, should preferences indicate what themes will or won't work with certain themes? 17:40 cait here :) 17:40 oleonard CBrannon: You don't have to "/" anything to get cait's attention, just say her name :) 17:39 CBrannon \notice cait Got a moment? 17:31 cda_brannon \nick 17:10 liw pianohacker, I need to dash to the train, but: dh-make-perl shouldn't require any root access, so running it under sudo should be unnecessary; the #debian-perl channel (this irc network) is usually very friendly and helpful, when anyone's awake 16:58 pianohacker future note: dh-make-perl depends on $PWD, so you can't run it under sudo (unless you manually pass through the environment variable) 16:51 pianohacker dernit. Anybody use dh-make-perl around here? (And successfully at that?) 16:27 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) 16:27 gmcharlt @quote random 16:15 Tony Okay I'm trying to reindex my zebra but I'm getting a lot of errors.. can someone help me on this: root@cat:/usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools# Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./rebuild_zebra.pl line 6. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./rebuild_zebra.pl line 6. > root 16:02 cait I've never seen that 16:02 cait a keyword search for germany from the simple search won't give any results 16:01 cait i think it's something in your setup 16:01 cait ok... also your simple search is broken 15:57 Tony Thanks for finding that 15:56 Tony I totally agree because that wasn't happening earlier 15:56 fridolin byyyy 15:56 cait for the first 2 results on the page at least 15:55 cait first thing i'd try is a complete reindex 15:55 cait i think your index might be not ok 15:55 cait when i try to access the detail page 15:55 cait i tried this and I get a 404 for the books 15:55 cait http://cat.columbiasc.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3A12-RESERVE&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3A24-RESERVE&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3A3-RESERVE&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3A3WEEK-RESV&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3A72-RESERVE&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3AARCHIVE&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3ABOOK&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3ABK&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3ACDS&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3ADVDS&sort_by=relevance&do=Search 15:55 Tony cait: thank you very much 15:55 cait Tony: i think there is something wrong with your search 15:53 cait an upgrade to the newest verseion would be pretty huge and should be prepared well 15:53 Tony cat.columbiasc.edu 15:53 cait Tony: if your opac is publicly available... can you give us the url? :) 15:53 Tony Perfect guys... then let me do the upgrades and see what I get at that point... Thank you all for help and suggestions... 15:52 cait for me too 15:52 cait yep 15:52 jcamins 3.12.9 works fine for me. 15:52 cait i think it's something in your setup 15:52 cait Tony: for me it's also working in 3.12 15:52 Tony Oh okay I get it... sorry so you are thinking that is fixed in a later version... Okay so I need to go through the update process... 15:51 Tony oleonard: not following 15:51 cait we are running 3.12.9 - works there as well 15:50 oleonard For what it's worth Tony trying your searches as you pasted them above in my 3.16 test system returned different results sets 15:49 gaetan_B bye! 15:49 Tony What is the current version 15:49 Tony Okay so do you suggest that I should update 15:49 cait 3.12 is pretty old 15:49 oleonard ... 15:48 Tony Yes it is public 15:48 Tony 3.12.01.000 15:46 cait which version are you on? 15:46 cait is our opac publicly accessible? 15:45 Tony cait here you are /cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=Germany&op=or&idx=kw&q=Europe&op=and&idx=kw&do=Search&sort_by=relevance 15:44 Tony cait: sorry for the dely .. give me a sec 15:38 cait and with or? 15:37 Tony here it is : /cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=Germany&op=and&idx=kw&q=Europe&op=and&idx=kw&do=Search&sort_by=relevance 15:35 Tony Okay let me bring it up on this machine 15:35 oleonard Please copy and paste 15:34 Tony sorr typed it wrong i think it is idx 15:34 Tony hmmm it looks like the operator never changed 15:34 cait hm really udx? 15:33 Tony cait: /cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=germany&op-and&udx=kw&q=Europe&op=and&idx=kw&do=Search&sort_by=relevance 15:31 cait thx oleonard 15:31 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org 15:31 oleonard paste? 15:29 cait what does the link look like that koha generated for your 2 seaches? 15:29 Tony cait: yes that is correct... I'm only using the first two fields and changing the operator on each search 15:26 cait Tony: just checking... you are using the first and second field? not leaving any blank? 15:22 Tony Thank you 15:22 jcamins Good luck. 15:22 Tony hmmm I don't know either but I really need to figure this out for the students here 15:22 jcamins I don't know if they work for other people, though. 15:21 jcamins Right, I don't know why they're not working for you. 15:21 Tony jcmins: no, using the option operators in the search block is what I would like to function correctly 15:20 jcamins Literally typing "and" and "or"? 15:20 Tony jcamins: that is just what I'm trying to do 15:20 jcamins Or do you mean literally typing "and" and "or"? 15:20 jcamins oleonard: I thought the problem was that using and and or didn't work. 15:20 oleonard ...and have each give him different results ;) 15:20 oleonard jcamins: Basically Tony wants to be able to use "and" and "or" in searches 15:19 jcamins Tony: but that was in answer to oleonard not you. I have no idea what's going on with your system. 15:18 jcamins QP is QueryParser. ccl= is what you have to prefix your queries with if you want to write your queries in CCL. However, you don't want to write your queries in CCL. 15:18 Tony What is QP and where would I write ccl using ccl= 15:17 jcamins Or write ccl using ccl= 15:17 jcamins oleonard: use QP. 15:17 oleonard Is there a fix for "quick search" not recognizing and/or operators? It's not that something is broken, it's simply a feature Koha doesn't have. 15:16 Tony Using the example that I gave... hmmm it doesn't do that for us.. so maybe we have a setting incorrect 15:15 Tony That is just what I am seeing as the problem so is there a fix that you are aware of or not 15:15 oleonard Using the and/or operators in the advanced search form seemed to work for me though. I got different numbers of results with the two different operators 15:15 oleonard My understanding of Koha "quick search" is that and/or operators are not recognized, but I could be wrong 15:14 oleonard ...since your question is about Koha usage. 15:14 oleonard Tony: pianohacker is suggesting the Koha users list, not the developers list 15:13 Tony pianohacker do you know the URL for me to get to the developers because I thought they would be on here.. 15:10 Tony Yes I am.. but I didn't use any of the options when I did this search on the top area with the and, or, not selections 15:04 oleonard Tony: You're talking about using the advanced search form with "more options?" 15:04 reiveune bye 15:00 pianohacker a nice way of saying "Sorry, I don't got no ideer" 15:00 pianohacker Tony: It would probably be best to send a post to the users mailing list... a lot of the developers and librarians that would have better knowledge of the search interface would be there rather than IRC 14:55 Tony Is there anyone that can help me with this issue.. I don't know if Koha has a fix or not.. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this problem. 14:50 Tony Thank you for understanding.. This is causing our students at the college a real headache because they can't trust the numbers or results 14:46 pianohacker Tony: Ah, I see what you mean 14:39 Tony Well if you are using and against an or it would appear that the number should be higher on the or than on the and.. and is looking for both combined and or is looking for both as individual.. 14:32 pianohacker Tony: what would you expect in the second case? 14:28 Tony When you use the advance search and say your are wanting "Germany" and "England" you will get one set of results and use "Germany" or " England" and you get the same results.. the number of returns should be different.. 14:26 Tony I'm wondering if someone can help me with a search issue in Koha 14:06 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:06 Joubu @later tell rangi on the dashbard, the search for "pushed to mm" displayed an error "The search named PushedMM has not been made visible to you.". I'm not sure it's expected. 13:42 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Increment version for 3.14.8 release 13:42 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Update release notes for 3.14.8 release 13:42 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.14.08 release 13:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x_D7 build #8: FIXED in 32 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x_D7/8/ 13:42 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 13:42 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 13:33 fridolin paring via bluethooth is enoying when you whant to use your KB on another pc 13:33 nlegrand :D 13:32 fridolin ;) note it uses radio wireless, not bluethooth 13:31 Joubu erk 13:29 fridolin nlegrand: nop, I'm a fan of curved KB : http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/sculpt-ergonomic-desktop/L5V-00001 13:27 nlegrand fridolin: new keyboard? A squarred stuff like Joubu or Stéphane? 13:09 fridolin thanks 13:08 magnuse fridolin++ for 3.14.8 13:07 * magnuse sheds a (small) tear 13:06 * jcamins failed it. 13:03 jcamins Determining that there was no test plan took all the time I had for testing, though, so I didn't look at any other patches before asking. 13:03 * magnuse chants "fail it, fail it, fail it" 13:02 jcamins magnuse: yeah, it looks like it was just happenstance that the first patch I looked at when I considered signing something off didn't have one. 13:02 magnuse in patches? i'd say they are 12:55 jcamins Are test plans no longer de rigeur? 12:52 oleonard Anyway I'm glad to confirm that my patch works since I submitted it without doing a real test :) 12:50 Joubu oleonard: maybe it's because you didn't choose a DB :-/ 12:50 Joubu Sandbox setup by oleonard@myacpl.org with database -1 and bug 12220 on Thu Jun 26 14:21:00 2014 12:50 Joubu oleonard: yes, you can take a look at the news, on the mainpage 12:49 oleonard Ah, okay I see now that the patch was applied this time. 12:48 Joubu oleonard: yes, since the last hackfest, it seems that all emails are not sent 12:48 oleonard I tried the same thing yesterday and the only message I got was "Sandbox not ready!" 12:48 Joubu oleonard: they don't work ? 12:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12220 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , bootstrap not responsive on all devices 12:48 oleonard I tried to set up Sandbox 13 with Bug 12220 but haven't gotten any email after 30 minutes 12:46 oleonard Joubu or anyone else know if something is going on with the Biblibre sandboxes? 12:13 magnuse hiya oleonard 12:13 magnuse fridolin: yeah, i struggle a bit with my new laptop, fortunately i have my old external keyboard at home :-) 12:12 oleonard Hi #koha 12:10 fridolin ;) 12:10 fridolin bonjour magnuse : I have a new kb, so i make a lot of mistakes 12:10 magnuse bonojur fridolin 12:03 fridolin hie lal 10:51 cait hi nlegrand 10:49 nlegrand hey $koha 10:35 cait Joubu++ 10:35 cait thx a lot! 10:35 Joubu cait: yes, if the session does not exist anymore in the table, the search history is deleted 10:34 cait do the entries in the db table get deleted? 10:34 cait hm or when it's cleaned out of the session table 10:33 Joubu when is the session deleted? When the browser is closed I suppose 10:33 cait np :) 10:32 Joubu cait: yes, anonyous, sorry... 10:32 cait Joubu: when the user doesn't log in 10:32 Joubu it should 10:32 Joubu cait: when the user log out? 10:25 cait hm does someone know if anonymous search history gets cleaned up when the session is deleted? 09:55 cait Viktor: enjoy your vacation! 09:52 Viktor But know that I didn't quit - I just went of into the sun for a few weeks :) 09:52 Viktor And I'm off for vacation now so even if I highly enjoy coding for Koha patches will be quite a bit slower. 09:51 Viktor Thanks! 09:51 Viktor magnuse He is getting better. But had a few days now that were a little more than the usual things you expect. 09:50 * cait too 09:50 Viktor It's easy enough but they were not in the right format to validate. And even though there's a function in Koha to get the right dates I ran into some things with references that I didn't quite get right. 09:50 magnuse hope the son is/gets better! 09:49 Viktor But next step would be to add dates. 09:49 Viktor I'm a bit behind with work on this one since I've been away from work due to my son being ill. 09:48 Viktor That sounds about right. 09:48 Viktor Ah - thanks for pointing it out magnuse. 09:08 magnuse it should probably be copyright you, but also saying "based on <filename> by ..." 09:07 magnuse you added the new file opac/opac-news-rss.pl, right? but it says "Parts Copyright (C) 2013 Mark Tompsett" 09:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7843 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, viktor.sarge, Needs Signoff , Create RSS for OPAC news 09:07 magnuse Viktor: a small thing in Bug 7843... 08:56 Joubu cait: thanks 08:46 cait I've added a comment 08:42 Joubu cait: yes, a filters parameter could be a good idea 08:42 cait Joubu: i was wondering if maybe having a parameter for the subs might be better... but it's a more complicated change too 08:41 cait I tend to say so too. writing up a comment and checking something in one of our databases 08:40 Joubu cait: I think they should be displayed too. And the itemlost specific case should be manage in the fines calculation script 08:38 cait but then i am not sure where checkoverdues and GetOverduesForBranch are used - we might want to make sure the lost items on the patron account stll display in OPAC etc. 08:37 cait i think if it doesn't accrue fines, it's not overdue but 'just' lost 08:36 cait hm. 08:36 cait but i think it's a good point - is a lost item overdue. 08:36 ashimema oh.. thats interesting. 08:35 cait there are so many prefs and options for lost items now nd our libraries don't use it yet, i have to think more about it 08:35 cait hm I don't have an answer right away Joubu 08:34 cait which means i have to explain to a library now that they can't use the feature... meh. 08:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Show OPAC search history when opacuserlogin is OFF 08:34 cait bug 12485 08:34 cait ashimema: there is -- but it won't display when opacuserlogin is off 08:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11872 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Lost overdue items should not generate fines 08:34 Joubu cait: I would like to get your opinion on my last note of bug 11872, if you have time... 08:33 ashimema hmm.. I thought there was a local anonymous search history cait? 08:33 * Viktor waves to cait and all the other nice people here :) 08:32 Joubu Hello 08:32 * cait waves at Viktor too 08:32 * Viktor waves back 08:32 * magnuse waves to ashimema and Viktor 08:30 wahanui bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber 08:30 cait hm bug? 08:29 cait hm looks like you can only have a search history if you have patrno accunts 08:28 cait good morning ashimema 08:27 ashimema morning #koha 08:19 cait hi magnuse :) 08:17 magnuse kia ora cait 07:32 magnuse have fun dcook 07:27 * dcook waves goodbye 07:27 * dcook apparently has no concept of English grammar today. 07:26 dcook (Well, to the vet, then home) 07:26 dcook But this guy should go home 07:26 * dcook looks at the clock 07:26 dcook Would be better if it were centralized.. 07:26 dcook Well...I guess maybe it does have a purpose sometimes... 07:25 * dcook thinks parse_letter is a stupid sub :p 07:20 dcook Then you remember that you're setting the value of a key in a hashref all wrong.. 07:20 dcook Got to love that moment when you're kicking yourself wondering where your code isn't working... 07:17 dcook magnuse: Yeah, it looks like it could be neat! 07:16 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B 07:15 gaetan_B hello 07:15 magnuse whoa http://www.indexdata.com/news/2014/06/adding-discovery-and-more-koha-smart-widgets 07:12 irma night dcook ^..^ 07:11 dcook night irma :) 07:10 dcook Busy busy folks.. 07:10 dcook I'm heading to Europe in late September so before that sounds good 07:10 irma have a nice evening/day all :-) 07:10 irma cheers for now dcook ... 07:09 irma July or before mid August would be good. After that I am taking a week off 07:08 dcook Might be a bit tight for the next couple weeks but I think it would be doable in July 07:08 dcook Sure, that sounds good to me :) 07:07 irma dcook a Friday is probably the best day for me but let's email and see what suits ...ok? 07:06 irma dcook ; I got your koha-oz email and we should meet after (when we return from Melbourne) for a catch-up 07:05 dcook how goes it? 07:05 dcook heya irma :) 07:05 irma Hi dcook 07:05 irma Hi all in #koha 07:03 reiveune hello 06:44 alex_a bonjour 06:39 cait ok bbiab 06:35 cait i am going to a concert on friday - not a wedding :) 06:33 dcook Concert? 06:26 cait concert 06:26 cait mine too 06:26 cait yeah he is good at that 06:26 dcook Today is my Friday as I"m heading to a wedding tomorrow.. 06:26 dcook eythian and his derailing me :p 06:26 * dcook should concentrate for a bit though 06:25 cait i thought i had triggered that with the question how zebra did it heh 06:25 dcook I'm not sure anymore haha 06:25 cait aah 06:25 dcook Hence the idea to try out yaz-client ;) 06:25 cait *confused* 06:25 cait so waht was your question then? 06:25 cait ah right 06:25 dcook I had tried it out ages ago and forgot about it until today 06:25 dcook Yeah, I was playing with that earlier 06:25 cait in staff advanced search 06:25 cait add a word to a title search, check the scan index checkbox 06:25 dcook Where? 06:24 cait heh, see my comment 06:24 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 06:24 cait @later tell eythian - in case you didn't know - index search with zebra is a bit ugly and hiding on the staff advanced search page 06:24 dcook Gui? 06:24 dcook Alphabetic index? 06:24 dcook A lot of the indexing isn't bad though 06:24 cait and the alphabetic index was hardly implemented at all and the gui is buggy 06:23 cait yeah 06:23 dcook The facets just weren't done (or really understood until now) 06:23 dcook But the query building is horrible 06:23 dcook Maybe not set up wrong 06:23 dcook Well... 06:23 cait yeah:( 06:22 dcook Painfully wrong 06:22 dcook cait: Yeah, there's definitely something to be said for Zebra just being set up wrong 06:22 cait yeah ... like that :) 06:22 dcook So that we'd use the same code but in a where we could use a syspref to switch to native facets 06:22 cait it just seems for everytime we said: zebra can't do that... it was just something we got wrong 06:22 dcook I think my first step would be to decompose the existing code 06:21 cait no pressure 06:21 dcook cait: Yeah, it's sort of on the list 06:21 dcook hehe, night, eythian 06:21 cait dcook: someone should really impelment those facets with zebra... ;) 06:20 eythian later 06:20 cait have a nice evening :) 06:20 eythian have a good (evening|morning) all. 06:20 cait finally! 06:20 cait hehe 06:20 eythian With that, I'm leaving! 06:20 eythian meanies 06:20 cait heh 06:20 cait me too :) 06:19 * dcook apparently likes to make eythian's life more complicated 06:19 dcook and number 06:19 cait i htink position looks like it would do it 06:17 dcook http://search.cpan.org/~mirk/Net-Z3950-ZOOM/lib/ZOOM.pod#scan()_/_scan_pqf() 06:17 cait underestimated... 06:17 cait poor understimated zebra 06:17 * dcook looks at zoom 06:16 eythian ah yep 06:16 dcook You'd need to play with the values a bit and what you wanted to show, but I think you could do it 06:16 dcook In this example, to scan backwards you'd issue a "scan @attr 1=1003 ed" query to jump backwards 06:15 dcook But you'd need to use the value rather than an id 06:15 dcook Yep 06:15 eythian ? 06:15 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "zebra scan output" (30 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/64 06:15 eythian will it scan backwards 06:15 cait heh 06:15 eythian shush 06:15 dcook Done and home in time for dinner ;) 06:14 dcook Really, "scansize 30", "scanpos 15", "scan @attr 1=1003 test" 06:14 eythian wash your mouth out ;) 06:14 eythian heh 06:14 dcook eythian: You could always use Zebra for it :p 06:12 cait cool :) 06:11 eythian I'll see if I can put one on our demo server or something. 06:10 eythian that's probably a good idea. 06:09 cait do you think we could do a demo opac somewhere? like we had for bootstrap? 06:08 cait but on the other hand... esier for early testers if it's a one bug thing maybe 06:08 cait just thought that might be separate enoughwith database tables that it might make sense 06:08 cait not sure what's better really 06:08 eythian yeah 06:08 cait it's just a question of how to organize best i guess 06:07 eythian I do plan to split all the patches up eventually 06:07 dcook Zebra could totally do this 06:07 cait because the elastic search will get quite big to test :) 06:07 dcook scan @attr 1=4 water 06:07 cait ah 06:07 eythian probably not 06:07 eythian *oh 06:07 eythian separate bug 06:07 eythian of 06:07 eythian cait: define separate 06:06 dcook scanpos 15 06:06 dcook scansize 30 06:06 cait eythian: is the alphabetic indexing going to be a separate bug? 06:06 dcook Then use your top and bottom figures to determine your next range I guess 06:06 dcook You can set it to be in the middle of a range... 06:05 dcook That's a bit neat.. 06:05 dcook scanpos 06:05 eythian heh 06:04 wahanui http://buikitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120202-094434.jpg 06:04 * dcook facepalm 06:04 dcook Yaz-client: "[205] Only zero step size supported for Scan -- v2 addinfo ''" 06:04 dcook "Set step-size for scan. This value is used in next scan sent to the target. By default step-size is 0." 06:03 dcook http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz-client.html 06:03 dcook Looks kinda cool actually 06:01 eythian yeah. 06:01 * dcook is curious about Zebra's scan now.. 06:00 dcook Probably reducing complexity is good 06:00 dcook I think there is something called ElasticSearch Rails which might have some support for this...but :S 05:59 eythian they're rolling in their tenure. 05:59 dcook Totes 05:59 eythian I just wish the facet stuff was more powerful, it's so close to doing what I want. 05:59 dcook There we go.. 05:59 dcook It's not a bug; it's a feature. 05:59 dcook Well most of them are still alive. 05:59 dcook Oh dear God. My English profs are rolling in their... 05:59 dcook It's not a bug, it's a feature ;) 05:59 eythian that too 05:58 dcook If you go the database route, you could use other search engines as well I suppose 05:58 * dcook shrugs 05:57 eythian OK, tomorrow I'm going to have a go at this database table plan. I think there's not much point twisting ES into doing something it's not designed for. 05:54 eythian it really is 05:54 dcook This C4::Letter stuff is a bit bonkers.. 05:51 dcook CSV wasn't really cutting it 05:51 dcook Yay 05:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11679 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add an ods export choice for reports 05:50 cait bug 11679 05:50 cait looking for the bug 05:49 eythian oh cool 05:49 cait since 3.16 05:49 cait eythian: we do support odf now :) 05:49 * eythian gets to have a little snark about supporting XSLX on the mailing list. 05:46 * dcook grumbles a bit about creating notices 05:38 cait but not sure if that was us ...or a limitation of it 05:38 cait i think at leat in our feature for that you can't page backwards 05:35 cait k 05:34 eythian I have no idea how zebra does it. 05:34 * dcook might send the dspace folk an email anyway 05:34 cait our implementation there is not really good, but it's gotten nicer since tcohen fixed the display 05:33 cait how does zebra do it? 05:33 eythian cait: well that'd be part of the collation I expect. 05:33 cait eythian: can you get the capitalization right? :) most catalogs seem not to :) 05:31 cait [off] index field in advaned search: http://katalog.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/ 05:30 eythian then use ES to get counts. 05:30 eythian So my plan is to throw every field that you might want to do this sort of search on into a database table, and then treat it like we do with the shelf browser. 05:30 cait icould ask how the second example did it... coworkers should know 05:30 cait looking for another example i am thinking about 05:29 cait hm 05:29 eythian ah right 05:29 cait [off] we did a new opac design, but this library didn't switch over to it 05:29 eythian but maybe another time 05:29 eythian well, I was thinking it'd be possible to tie authorities in too 05:28 cait eythian: i am not going to correct htat now - it#s the last one that is left :) 05:28 dcook Looks like an authority browser 05:28 dcook or "pickles" 05:28 * dcook always searches "e" 05:28 eythian the first link is odd, it changes styling when you hit previous the first time 05:28 dcook Yeah, I did "e" 05:28 cait 'a' 05:28 cait i looked up a and went back, now there are all records with numbers 05:27 cait i think it takes stop words into account 05:27 dcook Not so bad after a few clicks 05:27 cait heh 05:27 dcook Because I don't read German ;) 05:27 cait did you went backwards? 05:27 cait why do you think that? 05:27 cait it's not really 05:27 dcook Actually it's really bad.. 05:27 cait i know 05:27 eythian cait: it's Japanese for "idiot" 05:27 dcook That Horizon one cheats a bit I think 05:27 cait it's an abbreviation 05:26 cait eythian: stop thinking that :) 05:26 eythian heh baka 05:26 cait [off] last search option on the page 05:26 cait [off] another example with horizon: http://webpac7.bsz-bw.de/webpac-bin/wgbroker?new+-access+bw.baka 05:25 * dcook shudders 05:25 cait and ([,:-° ... 05:24 cait they use diacritics here in callnumbers 05:24 cait lol thx 05:24 cait and use our currnet plugin system to help people adapt it to their custom schemes if necessary... 05:24 eythian I'm planning on allowing collations so weirdo languages like German can be handled too :) 05:24 cait creating a sortable form 05:24 cait probably the only way 05:24 eythian using cn_sort is no problem. 05:24 eythian yeah 05:24 eythian I was thinking of using an approach similar to how we do that. 05:24 cait yeah, using cn_sort i think :) 05:23 cait because most callnumbers can not really be sorted easily 05:23 eythian we already support call number in the shelf browser. 05:23 cait from my experience 05:23 cait eythian: really hard it's going to be when people are asking for callnumber ... 05:22 eythian cait: yeah, that's the sort of thing I want 05:22 dcook Mmm 05:22 eythian _id is the biblio number, and the score is how well it matches. 05:21 eythian where _source contains your data 05:21 eythian "_score" : 1.0, "_source" 05:21 eythian "_id" : "122", 05:21 eythian "_type" : "data", 05:21 eythian "_index" : "koha_robin_biblios", 05:21 cait [off] an example http://www.biblio.tu-bs.de/db/vk 05:21 dcook Hmm 05:21 dcook No ES metadata about the document? 05:20 dcook That's it? 05:20 eythian dcook: you get the document that you put in. 05:20 eythian my other plan of throwing them all in a database table and doing sorted/limited queries might be the best way. 05:20 cait dcook: hm not sure 05:20 dcook What sort of data do you get in a result set, eythian? 05:20 eythian my plan of backing off the search precision (i.e. manually stemming) is ugly but wouldn't require reindexing. 05:19 dcook At least that's how it looks like it's done in DSpace and by another person using ES 05:19 dcook cait: I think that's how others do it ^ 05:19 dcook Agreed 05:19 eythian adding a special index with a pre-sorted index is probably the cleanest way, but if you add an author you have to reindex the whole lot, which is a problem. 05:18 cait wonder how others do it 05:18 cait hmm 05:17 eythian cait: they're more or less uncountably infinite, so saying "give me the ten previous" is tricky. 05:17 dcook cait: yeah trying to do an author browse 05:16 dcook Adding them anywhere except the end really 05:16 dcook eythian: Yeah, that's the thing that gets me too :/ 05:16 cait alphabetic indexes? 05:16 eythian the problem with that is adding an author in the middle is hard. 05:16 dcook hey cait :) 05:16 * dcook apparently can't stop thinking about this 05:16 dcook The adding a sort value before indexing 05:15 dcook Just re-read Jorg Prante's earlier post...that must be what DSpace does as well.. 05:06 cait hi eythian :) 05:06 eythian hi cait 05:05 eythian With some smartly crafted indices, it could be speedy, and then query ES to get counts. 05:05 eythian So, I'm thinking of taking everything that we want to extract and shoving it into a db table and using that. 05:00 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 05:00 huginn wizzyrea: An added entry in which the entry element is a personal name. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,x,3,4,5,6,8] 05:00 wizzyrea @marc 700 04:55 dcook http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/search-aggregations.html 04:55 dcook Hmm what about this? 04:33 dcook Possibly 04:32 dcook I suppose in that case an authority browser would be easier 04:32 eythian well, taking all of the authors, anyway 04:32 dcook Yeah :/ 04:32 eythian There might be millions 04:32 eythian It's still taking /all/ the documents and putting parts of them into a table. 04:32 dcook I suppose you have an arbitrary number of hits though so that wouldn't scale even if that seemed doable 04:31 dcook But if it's indexing in memory rather than on disk, it would be faster, yeah? 04:31 dcook Hmm 04:31 dcook Do a search, throw it into the index (where the ids would be sequential) then search that index and return your one result and do things based on id.. 04:31 eythian Not at any sort of speed, it'd have to reindex everything. 04:30 dcook Could you create a temporary index on the fly in ES? 04:30 dcook That also seems a bit suboptimal :/ 04:29 eythian The other way would be to do it in mysql 04:29 dcook Definitely a bit ugly :/ 04:29 eythian It just seems a bit ugly 04:28 eythian I might have to give the relaxing of search terms thing a try. 04:28 eythian yeah 04:27 dcook But then still the problem of finding your term in the first place in that list 04:27 dcook If you could access "score" that would probably do it.. 04:24 dcook Dunno. Definitely have a few problems here. 04:23 dcook I thought that might be the other case... :/ 04:23 dcook SortValues(): This is the value/values used to sort the recored. It's only available if sort is specified during search phase. 04:22 dcook According to the ElasticSearch cookbook on Google Books: 04:21 eythian yeah, I've not seen it anywhere. 04:21 * dcook is just skimming code though 04:20 dcook I think they use sortValues on InternalSearchHit but that doesn't get surfaced in SearchResponse 04:19 dcook Love how folks don't document things 04:19 dcook It's certainly used in scroll 04:18 dcook Might be 04:18 eythian I think that's for scrolling again 04:16 dcook Glad that you're all right, eythian :) 04:16 dcook But I think that's internal.. 04:16 dcook hit.sortValues 04:02 eythian http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/2014p476125 <-- I missed the one this morning, so I guess it's only fair 04:00 eythian ah, just a baby one, that's good 04:00 eythian quakey 04:00 eythian ooh 03:59 eythian yeah, I'm doing something like that as it is 03:58 dcook http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/multi-fields.html 03:58 eythian so I end up back at having the code chop a letter off and looking for "Smit*" on your behalf. 03:58 dcook Hmm seems like sorting in ES might be interesting as well.. 03:58 eythian yeah 03:56 dcook Which is a huge problem 03:55 eythian but I can't go backwards, or to things that aren't "Smith*" 03:55 eythian so I can search for "smith" and page through all the "Smith*" results, easy. 03:55 eythian the problem then is it would be relative to your search 03:53 dcook I don't know. I don't know enough about sorting :) 03:53 dcook Right, I suppose it could just sort it into a response and use that for ordering 03:52 eythian because there's no such thing as a native order. 03:52 eythian I doubt it does. 03:52 dcook On the fly 03:52 dcook I assume ES must use an ordering value but must be done internally 03:52 eythian I don't like an ordering value as it makes insertions really hard. 03:52 dcook Yeah, the ordering value would be nice 03:52 eythian I always need to loosen the search term, or have an ordering value. 03:51 eythian damn. 03:51 eythian oh, but it still would only return the one you typed in. 03:51 dcook So you have an index of all authors...I'd assume you'd need to retrieve the whole thing, sort it, then look for your search term 03:51 dcook Hmm, then I'm not sure I understand 03:51 eythian No, that's a different idea :) 03:50 dcook Using that method you described before in that pasted explanation? 03:50 eythian yeah sure. So I have an index of all authors. I can page back and forward through them by knowing what search term to generate the prev/next page from. 03:50 dcook That is... 03:49 dcook You'd still need to be browsing though, right? 03:48 eythian no, because if my page size is ~20 I go 30 back (to work out the middle of the prev page) and 30 forward (to work out the middle of the next page) but only display the 10 forward and 10 back. 03:47 dcook Or knowing what results should come before/after? 03:47 dcook Wouldn't you still run into the problem of paging though? 03:46 eythian deleting records would be mildly tricky (i.e. detecting that there are none left) but solvable. 03:46 eythian then for each author name it can do a search on the main index to get the counts. 03:45 eythian All I'd need is an index containing only author names (and one for every other thing to search, but that's no big deal.) 03:44 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 03:44 dcook Interesting.. 03:44 eythian I don't actually need to know _where_ in the list I am, I just need to know how to page back and forward. 03:43 eythian I can run two queries, and sort them (one asc, one desc.) 03:43 eythian actually 03:41 eythian I guess I didn't think about it hard enough :) 03:41 eythian that's true 03:41 dcook Wouldn't you still have the problem of getting to the right place in the list? 03:41 eythian not harder. 03:41 eythian Well. 03:40 dcook Would it? 03:40 eythian Though I don't look forward to implementing authority linking. 03:40 eythian That would be easier. 03:40 eythian it looks like the hollis example pointed to is just an authority browser. 03:37 dcook Nowadays, they do both search and browse through Solr 03:37 eythian alternately, load authorities in and just use that. 03:37 dcook They used to do search via a home-cooked Lucene search engine and then browse using DB tables like you're thinking 03:37 dcook Actually, it might be worthwhile looking at what Dspace does 03:37 dcook Hmm 03:36 dcook "dfs_query_then_fetch" seems useful.. 03:36 eythian it almost seems to me that a set of tables in the DB that are periodically regenerated might be the best approach 03:35 eythian yeah 03:35 dcook Damn, this is a hard one :p 03:34 dcook Ideally it would be great if you could retrieve all authors (via search), sort them, store them, then re-query to get the offset of the one you want...then work from there. 03:31 eythian oh right :) 03:31 dcook I was initially 03:31 eythian (initially) 03:31 eythian I was thinking you were talking about the scan option to Search.pm 03:30 eythian yeah, looks like no 03:28 dcook Ah, maybe not.. 03:28 eythian ohh 03:27 dcook I wonder if "scrolling" might be what you want in ES.. 03:27 dcook Also, because of the need to sort the results, getting back a large document set, or even scrolling it, while maintaing the correct sorting behavior can be a very expensive operation. For large result set scrolling without sorting, the scan search type (explained below) is also available. 03:27 dcook If we want to support accurate ranking, we would need to first gather the term frequencies from all shards to calculate global term frequencies, then execute the query on each shard using these globale frequencies. 03:27 dcook ES docs: 03:27 dcook It looks alphabetic 03:26 eythian or just, order they're in in the index? 03:26 eythian how does it order them? 03:25 dcook Also gives a count 03:25 dcook Err "any" index 03:25 dcook If I scan for "test" in Koha (w/ Zebra), it shows me "test" and the next 19 term/phrases following it in the keyword index 03:25 dcook Sort of 03:24 dcook Well.. 03:24 dcook Ah, nah, I guess not 03:24 * dcook takes a look 03:24 dcook I want to say the Zebra scan is a bit like browse.. 03:24 dcook I'm not sure, haha 03:24 eythian what even is scan 03:23 dcook Too bad "scan" doesn't sort as well 03:23 dcook Although in theory you could probably adapt it to either case 03:23 dcook An authority browser would be nice, but not sure that's what they want :/ 03:23 dcook Yeah, fair enough 03:23 eythian I've had no real specs for this, so am mostly making it up to fit what it seems like people want. 03:22 eythian dcook: opinions welcome, I'm trying to get a firm idea in my head before I really start working on it. 03:21 eythian A real authority browser would be nice, but not everything is authorities. 03:20 eythian If you page back, it'll do the same with an earlier value. 03:19 dcook Hmm 03:19 eythian so you search for smith, and it starts "deep" and works its way out as it needs to to get adjacent results until it has enough for fill a page. 03:18 eythian something like that 03:18 eythian http://paste.koha-community.org/63 <-- dcook 03:18 dcook I suppose what you'd want is to return a list of all authors (with their occurence count), and then just search that sublist for an index to start... 03:15 * dcook is reading more of the list now 03:14 dcook Not so much by typical users 03:14 dcook Err researchers* 03:14 dcook I imagine it'll mostly be used by librarians or academics 03:14 dcook (Btw I've desired a browsing interface in Koha for ages) 03:13 dcook \o/ 03:13 eythian let me draw up some ascii art 03:13 dcook How's that? 03:13 eythian yeah, it'd allow you to do that. 03:12 dcook Although you still want to be able to browse back and forth 03:12 eythian (All these searches being startswith) 03:12 dcook I was thinking about that a bit 03:12 eythian and then merges all the results. 03:12 eythian Which is why I'm thinking of a different approach: You search for Smith, and it does that but also searches for "Smit". If that doesn't get many more results, it searches for "Smi", and so on. 03:12 dcook You can sort of "feel" the data 03:12 dcook Librarians like browse because it's a bit more hands on 03:11 dcook I suppose you can have fuzzy type searches at that point 03:11 eythian well, smitt is 03:11 eythian Oh, that's not a problem 03:11 dcook Or "Smitt" 03:11 dcook Because maybe you want "Smithe" 03:11 dcook That's the downside 03:11 eythian So if you seach for "Smith" you only get "Smith" authors back. 03:11 dcook I suppose it depends on whether you're doing an authority search or a facet search like you said 03:11 dcook Yeah, pretty much 03:10 dcook Hehe. 03:10 eythian the difference is you're not getting records back, you're getting author names back. 03:10 dcook A browse can be more precise than a search 03:10 eythian so, that's just an author search sorted by author 03:10 dcook Or if you can't remember the name but you know one of the names 03:10 dcook The author browse is basically an authority browse in my mind 03:10 dcook Author can be handy if it's a quite common name 03:09 eythian with exceptions, browsing by call number or similar, sure. 03:09 eythian as an end user, I can't really see the use case. 03:08 dcook The whole search vs browse thing is something we actually talked a lot about in library school (:p to Jorg Prante) 03:08 dcook Hmm 03:07 eythian bag: you about? 03:06 eythian The problem is that ES is a search engine, not really a sequential index system like a database can be. So at the moment it feels a bit like a square peg into a round hole. 03:01 eythian https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/elasticsearch/h496-uirfNo <-- like this 03:01 * dcook isn't sure he quite understands the idea 03:00 dcook Seems like it :/ 03:00 eythian It's something of a fiddly problem. 03:00 * eythian is now wondering how I'm going to design and build this browse interface. 03:00 dcook I suppose not necessarily... 03:00 dcook But I suppose implementing Koha::Email would probably require other changes to be made as well 02:59 dcook Agreed 02:59 eythian they shouldn't really be tied anyway. 02:59 eythian well, maybe. I'm not sure, but I'd think notices would sit on top of Koha::Email, and other things like SMS and such. 02:59 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 02:59 dcook @later tell rangi Is Koha::Email going to be responsible for notice generation? (e.g. advanced notices, overdues, etc) 02:58 dcook I suppose Koha::Email would include that anyway most likely... 02:53 * dcook thinks a Koha::Notices would be fantastic as well... 02:52 * dcook seems to recall rangi working on Koha::Email 02:44 jcamins I used a system that had cPanel once. It was so painful I just installed VirtualBox and used a VM with Debian. 02:41 a_m0d jcamins: I hate working with cPanel, but unfortunately that's what I have here. I must say, though, that the CentOS instructions on the wiki were actually very useful to get the system built. They just stopped being quite so relevant after that point. 02:39 jcamins a_m0d: it's worth a try. I refuse to work with Koha on CentOS/RHEL/whatever, though, so I can't give you any advice beyond noting that cPanel substantially changes your environment. 02:36 a_m0d jcamins: I've found the vhost configurations for my 2 sites (standard one and the 'intranet' one), and I'm wondering now if I could perhaps just remove them from the main apache config file and then replace them with the koha-conf.httpd ones instead ... ? 02:35 jcamins And none of the paths in the instructions are going to be correct for your system. 02:35 jcamins You're going to need to do some major modification to make it work, most likely. 02:35 jcamins a_m0d: cPanel's EasyApache substantially changes how Apache behaves. 02:35 a_m0d dcook: thanks for the advice - I'll change it then. This was randomly generated by cpanel. 02:34 * dcook probably wouldn't use an ampersand in a MySQL password as Google seems full of horror stories but definitely an issue nonetheless.. 02:34 a_m0d So now I've run into more issues with the apache config again - since it doesn't seem to have picked up the ~/koha/etc/koha-httpd.conf file, it doesn't know where `/cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl` is 02:33 dcook ^ 02:33 a_m0d but your suggestion is probably better :D 02:33 eythian a_m0d: that won't scale as you'll have to modify dozens of files :) 02:33 a_m0d use lib qw(/home/.....); 02:33 a_m0d eythian: thanks, I didn't realise I could do that. I actually modified mainpage.pl to use the lines 02:33 dcook Hmm apparently having an ampersand in your MySQL password will cause problems with mysqldump as well 02:32 eythian probably something like SetEnv PERL5LIB /home/whatever/perl5/lib/perl5 02:32 eythian a_m0d: to modify the INC you want to change PERL5LIB from within the apache config 02:32 eythian hmm yeah. that's probably worth filing a bug on. 02:31 a_m0d Not a huge issue, but since I was prompted for that password as part of the build I expected it would handle it a bit better 02:31 a_m0d If the database password contains a & symbol, it is put directly into the hoha-conf.xml file and than nothing can read that file anymore ... 02:31 dcook issue with the build process? 02:31 * dcook perks up a bit 02:30 a_m0d btw, I found a small issue in the build process 02:26 a_m0d e.g. ~/perl5/lib/perl5/Modern/ 02:26 a_m0d Yup, but its in a sub-folder of the home directory 02:24 eythian that's the first thing to check. 02:24 eythian well, do you have Modern::Perl installed? 02:23 a_m0d Okay, looks like I need to adjust the @INC to include another directory 02:23 eythian now you're just going to have to chase up aalllll the dependencies :) 02:23 eythian that's a start 02:22 a_m0d and then a bunch more about that error 02:22 a_m0d Can't locate Modern/Perl.pm in @INC 02:22 a_m0d Okay, that's more like it - now I see an error message (in the logs) saying: 02:20 eythian try mainpage.pl 02:20 eythian it's not really a thing 02:20 eythian don't try to access kohalib.pl 02:19 a_m0d That error just says: End of script before headers: kohalib.pl 02:19 a_m0d eythian: I can't really find any errors in any of the apache error logs that relate to this, except for 1 error when I tried to access kohalib.pl 02:17 bag yes I will be arriving tomorrow 02:16 gmcharlt bag: you? 02:15 gmcharlt great 02:14 eythian gmcharlt: I might do that. 02:13 gmcharlt eythian: if you need a patch or two in 3.16.x to deal with packagnig for the OverDrive change more easily, bug it and shoot it over to me in the next 8 hours 02:12 bag cool 02:12 gmcharlt bag: Yep 02:03 a_m0d Yes, actually, just found that directive. Trying to load the error file now - hopefully it's in there since the CPanel view of the error log shows absolutely nothing. 02:02 eythian is the log directive specified in the apache config? 02:02 eythian hmm 02:02 a_m0d e.g. hitting ***/index.html generates a 500 error for me, but I can't find where that is logged. 02:01 a_m0d I can't even find an error log for the 500 errors I generate 02:00 eythian that's an easy thing to have not happen. 02:00 eythian that's when you want to see your logs to ensure the right virtualhost is being hit 02:00 a_m0d That's kind of what I figured, but I'm kind of stuck when it comes to configuring apache. 02:00 eythian like, it's not obeying the aliases or something 02:00 eythian that sounds like an apache config issue alright 01:59 eythian hmm 01:59 eythian well, you'd change localhost to be the relevant hostname. 01:59 a_m0d But when I hit that host name all I see is a directory listing. 01:59 eythian you can't really do that, it expects to be at the root from the point of view of the URL (i.e. you can virtual host it just fine, but it can't really share the same URL with something else unless that other thing can handle not being at the root.) 01:59 a_m0d I did make a change in the koha-httpd.conf file to make the `intranet` site have its own unique host name. 01:58 a_m0d Also, those docs specify to go to http://localhost:8008 to run the web installation, but I can't do that. 01:58 a_m0d I couldn't install to the root, since there are multiple sites on here and I wanted to keep everything under the one site's home directory 01:57 a_m0d I've seen those, but I haven't been able to follow them 100% because of CPanel. 01:57 eythian I'm not sure if cpanel will interfere, I don't know enough about it. 01:56 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_Documentation#Centos 01:56 eythian a_m0d: it probably won't be the most fun ride, but there's some centos docs here: 01:56 a_m0d eythian: CentOS 6.5, yes, and yes 01:54 eythian a_m0d: what distro is it running, do you have shell access, do you have root access? 01:52 a_m0d Hi all - is there anyone who can help me get Koha running on a VPS running CPanel? 00:48 dcook guidelines is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 00:48 dcook guidelines? 00:48 dcook Always handy to re-read the coding guidelines... 00:40 tcohen bye #koha 00:20 eythian That'll be easy enough. 00:20 eythian so, when I make a 3.16 package, I'll just regenerate the depends (which I don't normally do) and manually move the new entry down into recommends. 00:14 pianohacker ah, okay, that makes sense. That's actually perfect imo 00:13 eythian that's the standard I think, anyway. 00:12 eythian if you're doing an update, no 00:12 eythian if you're doing an install, yes 00:12 eythian well 00:12 eythian I don't think so, but it definitely tells you that they're an option. 00:12 pianohacker eythian: does aptitude auto-install recommends? 00:08 pianohacker makes sense 00:08 eythian we could do both, but making an extra package go away when it's no longer needed might be hard. 00:08 bag well I'm going to guess that you are going Galen - so see you soon :) 00:07 eythian it's quite similar to have a -deps package 00:07 eythian *major release 00:07 eythian pianohacker: yeah. recommends means people will be told that they should consider it. And then we can bump it up to required on the next release. 00:07 bag gmcharlt: you going to ALA? 00:07 Dyrcona I just had some questions and ideas about the generic part. 00:07 Dyrcona I can work on the Evergreen side of things without having the discussion. 00:06 Dyrcona OK. It can wait. 00:06 eythian nah, he's working on a client site for a couple of days, so I assume IRCing isn't so permitted :) 00:06 pianohacker either way works, though, I'd say. The specific approach I'd leave up to you and galen 00:05 Dyrcona I'm on "vacation," but its a working vacation. 00:05 Dyrcona eythian: Thanks. I didn't know that. 00:05 pianohacker eythian: I thought you meant throwing the overdrive-perl-deps in as a recommends 00:05 eythian Dyrcona: he probably doesn't, he's away until monday 00:05 pianohacker But I see what you meant now 00:05 pianohacker apologies if I didn't communicate that, don't want to volunteer you for work without yer knowing 00:04 eythian yeah, can stick it in as a recommends, or do the koha-overdrive-perl-deps thing 00:04 Dyrcona rangi: got a couple minutes to talk about NCIPServer? 00:04 eythian that part of it 00:04 eythian ohh 00:03 pianohacker eythian: http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2014-06-11#i_1521767 00:03 eythian I think it was more like "if we set it up right, it should just work" or something like that. 00:02 pianohacker eythian: I thought so, let me check. 00:01 eythian pianohacker: I don't think that's what I said, was it? 00:01 eythian <pianohacker> gmcharlt: He grumbled but said he could cut a separate 3.16 package for the overdrive dependencies 00:00 dcook Not that I don't think he could, but he's so nice!