Time Nick Message 23:58 * dcook reads scrollback and tries to imagine oleonard punching someone in the face 23:49 tcohen night 23:22 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11715: Update POD for get_template_and_user 23:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11715: require authentication for various staff scripts 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11715 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Z39.50 search page does not check authorization 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9093 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , 008 forgetting what material type was chosen 23:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715 : require authentication for the cataloging authorities Z39.50 search 23:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: require authentication for the cataloging Z39.50 search 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12427 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Pushed to Stable , C4::Members::Attributes.pm needs unit tests 23:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: Set the default of authnotrequired = 0 in get_template_and_user 23:22 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9093 - 008 forgetting what material type was chosen 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11292 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , barcode scanner clicking 'save' 23:22 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12427: Allow execution of UTs on a DB with issues 23:22 jenkins_koha * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12427: adding unit tests of module C4::Members::Attributes.pm 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12350 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Disable apache indexes on package installation by default 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12086 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Hold priorities incorrect, when waiting status was reversed 23:22 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11292 [QA Followup] - Use noEnterSubmit instead of new keypress handler 23:22 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11292 - barcode scanner clicking 'save' 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12393 normal, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Stable , OverDrive does not depend on SSL modules for LWP, causing searches to fail 23:22 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 12350 - disable apache indexes 23:22 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12086: qa-followup: remove warning on launching unit tests 23:22 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12086 - Hold priorities incorrect, when waiting status was reversed 23:22 jenkins_koha * Jesse Weaver: Bug 12393 - Depend on SSL module for LWP, for OverDrive 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12416 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Pushed to Stable , DelUniqueDebarment (Debarments.pm) is not tested in Borrower_Debarments.t 23:22 jenkins_koha * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12416: add new tests of DelUniqueDebarment 23:22 jenkins_koha * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12416: the subroutine 'ok' is replaced by the subroutine 'is' 23:22 jenkins_koha * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12416: add the test of DelUniqueDebarment 23:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #6: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/6/ 22:57 pianohacker love it 22:57 wahanui ┳â”┳ ノ( ã‚œ-゜ノ) 22:57 pianohacker (╯°□°）╯︵ â”»â”â”» 22:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #6 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 22:27 cait hi eythian 22:24 eythian also, hi 22:24 wahanui OK, eythian. 22:24 eythian wahanui: (╯°□°）╯︵ â”»â”â”» is <reply>┳â”┳ ノ( ã‚œ-゜ノ) 20:28 jburds_ Is someone from Bywater able to call me on Ticket 20022. We are frozen. 19:50 tcohen +bye #koha 18:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #25: FIXED in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/25/ 18:44 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 18:44 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 18:37 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.16.01 release 18:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #5: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/5/ 18:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #5 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 18:05 * oleonard wonders why he received a "sandbox is not ready!" message after trying to set up a sandbox 16:57 jcamins I don't even pretend to have it straight. 16:56 pianohacker then I came to CT for business and woke up my gf in Seattle at 5 in the morning with a text 16:56 pianohacker yeah... I thought I had it down between Germany, Colorado, the East and West Coasts and New Zealand 16:55 jcamins I have enough trouble remembering what time it is in California, much less Colorado. 16:54 pianohacker that would be a very useful plugin for the bot though 16:53 jcamins You know, I should just keep a world map with timezones above my monitor. 16:52 pianohacker there are some amazing gems in there jcamins 16:48 huginn jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes 16:48 jcamins @time boulder, co 16:42 drojf and :( ^^ 16:42 drojf hi cait :) 16:42 cait drojf: no idea and hi :) 16:41 drojf is it just me or is it impossible to run nagios/icinga on the same server as koha? some permission stuff seems to go berzerk with apache2-mpm-itk 16:39 jcamins pianohacker: I saw this and thought of you: http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/ 16:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11715 is not accessible. 16:27 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11715: Update POD for get_template_and_user 16:27 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11715: require authentication for various staff scripts 16:27 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715 : require authentication for the cataloging authorities Z39.50 search 16:27 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: require authentication for the cataloging Z39.50 search 16:27 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: Set the default of authnotrequired = 0 in get_template_and_user 16:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #24: UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/24/ 15:45 gaetan_B bye ! 15:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11715: Update POD for get_template_and_user <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b161b5bbe09d80197906aa049080607852066d9> / Bug 11715: require authentication for various staff scripts <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=effb64f7f2e48f5cf87e39699bd93c5448160da5> / Bug 11715 : require authentication for the cataloging authorities Z39.50 search <http://git.koha-comm 15:23 cait :) 15:20 tcohen the guys bought me the official t-shirt for my birthday 15:20 tcohen not yet :-D still a happy guy 15:18 cait no grey hairs from being RM yet? :) 15:17 tcohen go argentina :-D http://snag.gy/bnhbW.jpg 15:15 pianohacker gmcharlt: cool, thanks 15:12 vfernandes thanks gmcharlt for the feedback :) 15:09 gmcharlt works for me 15:09 pianohacker gmcharlt: He grumbled but said he could cut a separate 3.16 package for the overdrive dependencies 15:07 gmcharlt and he said what? 15:07 huginn 04Bug 12393: normal, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , OverDrive does not depend on SSL modules for LWP, causing searches to fail 15:07 pianohacker gmcharlt: Any chance for http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12393 ? Have talked to eythian about the relevant packaging difficulties 15:06 reiveune bye 15:06 cait all good 15:05 gmcharlt no, it's not 15:05 cait right, i remember now - forget i asked :) 15:05 cait oh, maybe it's not a probelm in 3.16 15:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12454 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Can't add new patron categories 15:05 cait bug 12454 15:05 gmcharlt ok 15:04 cait i have one more bug cou miyhg tant to soncider 15:04 gmcharlt cait: vfernandes: I will be cutting 3.16.1 tomorrow morning 15:04 cait gmcharlt: vfernandes had asked about the release date for 3.16.1 15:03 cait :) 14:58 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #284: "<cait> you won't suggest cataloguing our bugs in MARC... right?" (added by gmcharlt at 06:40 PM, November 27, 2013) 14:58 gmcharlt @quote random 14:57 tcohen debian squeeze iso? 14:41 tcohen oleonard++ 14:36 nengard agreed oleonard 14:34 cait oleonard: not sure why it created problems... probably because they didn't use the utf-8 char for that? (i just guess there must be one) 14:33 cait oleonard: sounds like a good solution to me :) 14:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12468 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , copyright symbol not translating right 14:33 * oleonard would like to fix Bug 12468 by punching in the face whoever decided that putting the copyright symbol into MARC was a good idea 14:33 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658 14:33 cait gmcharlt: ping? 14:33 cait hm i think it is already on the way 14:32 vfernandes now one question: 3.16.1 will be released when? 14:32 cait vfernandes++ :) 14:32 nengard :) 14:32 vfernandes 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, 3.14 and 3.16 fully translated ;) 14:31 pianohacker vfernandes++ 14:31 pianohacker woo! 14:31 vfernandes i proud to announce that 3.16 is fully translated to portuguese... 14:31 vfernandes hi ;) 13:56 * magnuse is looking forward to 7 weeks of paternity leave 13:49 pianohacker indeed 13:46 magnuse summer++ 13:45 pianohacker then back to school in the fall but details 13:45 cait nice :) 13:45 pianohacker cait: yup indeed! now that I'm officially done with my bachelor's degree as of last friday, I'm on a more even schedule 13:44 cait pianohacker: you seem more around lately - nice :) 13:44 * cait waves to pianohacker 13:43 huginn pianohacker: The current temperature in Loomis Chaffee School, Windsor, Connecticut is 22.9°C (9:30 AM EDT on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 13:43 pianohacker @wunder windsor, ct 13:40 jcamins Ugh. 13:40 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village Juniper Valley Park, Queens, New York is 23.4°C (9:40 AM EDT on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 13:40 jcamins @wunder 11375 13:39 magnuse so there ;-) 13:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 13:38 magnuse @wunder boo 13:38 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 13:30 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 10.0°C (10:00 AM ART on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 13:30 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 13:30 tcohen morning #koha 12:40 magnuse yay 12:38 cait mostly dry :) 12:38 cait and at a good moment too 12:38 cait yep 12:37 magnuse you made it, cait? 12:25 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 12:25 jcamins @later tell rangi You figured out how many countries contributors to 3.12 came from, I think, at my request. 12:21 oleonard Hi #koha 11:46 cait of course... i have to go to work and the thunderstorm hits 11:13 Joubu cait: yep, I left a note 11:09 cait hm not sure he is on irc 11:04 Joubu Juhani around? 09:35 magnuse bbiab 09:34 magnuse same as with changes to zebra config files 09:34 magnuse or do a "make upgrade" or something? 09:33 cait i guess you have to copy the file over there 09:32 cait /home/katrin/koha-dev/doc < that's my $docdir 09:32 cait hmmm 09:31 magnuse and i seem to remember there was a time when package installs refused to display the timeline 09:30 mtj yeah, i got caught out by it a while back, too 09:27 magnuse that makes sense for a gitified setup, but not for a git/dev install, methinks 09:26 magnuse yup, "$ sudo cp docs/history.txt /usr/share/doc/koha-common/history.txt" and it looks good 09:25 mtj /usr/share/doc/koha-common/history.txt 09:24 mtj ...perhaps your koha is looking there, for the history.txt file? 09:23 mtj <docdir>/usr/share/doc/koha-common</docdir> 09:23 cait mtj: trying to put in a warn for tha tright now 09:23 mtj its the <docdir> location? 09:23 nlegrand magnuse: ho I get it :) 09:22 nlegrand magnuse: I don't know Go :) 09:22 rangi nope no ideas 09:21 nlegrand magnuse: what? 09:21 rangi weird 09:21 cait see if that makes a difference for you 09:21 cait try switching the spaces for tabs in the file 09:21 cait ah magnuse 09:21 cait minee is not andstill stuck 09:21 magnuse i'm on a gitified instance, that might be confusing things? 09:21 cait i wonder if looks at the right file 09:19 cait rangi: any idea maybe? 09:19 cait so ours are both stuck 09:19 cait gah. 09:19 magnuse cait: nope, after applying the patch i still see Nicolas Legrand as the last new dev 09:18 cait oh ... maybe 09:17 cait if imake changes to the file it's not reflected in my timeline 09:16 cait and after it#s ok? 09:15 magnuse cait: before the patch, my timeline ends with Nicolas Legrand 09:14 cait is there some step in between that i am missing? 09:14 cait i am puzzled 09:14 cait hm changing the file doesn't seem to have an effect 09:14 magnuse cait: ok 09:12 fridolin hie cait 09:12 cait hi fridolin 09:10 fridolin bonjour magnuse 09:10 cait magnuse: can you check on yours? 09:10 magnuse weird 09:10 cait well dev with git 09:10 cait nope standard 09:10 magnuse bonjour fridolin 09:10 magnuse cait: on a gitified setup? 09:10 fridolin hie all 09:09 cait it ends with Francesca 09:08 cait i switched out the spaces for tabs, but no change 09:08 cait hm i am testing the patch for history now - but I don't have the new entries show up in my timeline 09:06 rangi sorry, i shouldnt have said that 09:05 rangi actually i apologise 08:58 rangi i for one am heartily sick of your negative attitude 08:58 rangi maybe you should 08:58 rangi and for the record ive submitted patches that break things before, i dont mind .. in fact i want my patches to go through qa 08:58 paxed let the process lumber on. i'll jump off the wagon 08:57 cait this is not about trust 08:57 rangi why should the rules apply to some, not all 08:57 cait we are all human 08:57 paxed ... so you cannot trust the dev who commits changes to repo to change about.tt 08:56 rangi the patch contains changes to about.tt if its broken, there's a broken page in koha 08:53 * cait does not think that 08:52 paxed i find it silly that needs to be QA'd 08:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 08:45 wahanui bug 7143 is ready for an easy signoff 08:45 rangi bug 7143 08:45 rangi theres a patch waiting qa, shouldnt be long 08:40 paxed when's history.txt getting updated? 08:40 cait maybe someof the email addresses could give a hint 08:39 rangi its hard though as i dont know all of them 08:39 rangi someday i should try to work out how many different countries we have contributers from 08:38 rangi 248 is UK 08:36 cait :) 08:36 rangi we have enough countries :) 08:36 rangi we could have our own world cup 08:36 rangi 249 is italy 08:35 magnuse woohoo! 08:34 rangi we have sweden, france, finland 08:34 rangi d 08:34 rangi Juhani Seppälä is 252 from finlan 08:32 magnuse so true! 08:32 cait but 251 is one better than 250 for Koha :) 08:30 yohann rangi : It's a pity, so close ... :p 08:28 rangi yohann: you are the 251st person to get code into koha .. viktor was 250, you just missed out :) 08:23 rangi dcook: i think it uses the one in master 08:23 * magnuse suspects nlegrand of wanting to rewrite koha in go 08:23 wahanui ashimema is on qa now .) 08:23 rangi hey ashimema 08:20 nlegrand I meant: Oyo #koha! 08:20 nlegrand that was a strange greeting... 08:20 nlegrand lsGOyo $koha! 08:02 ashimema evening rangi 07:23 cait :) 07:22 gaetan_B hello 07:20 Joubu Buenos dias cait, magnuse ;) 07:19 magnuse bonjour Joubu 07:19 magnuse dcook++ 07:12 cait bonjour Joubu 07:09 wahanui salut, Joubu 07:09 Joubu hello 07:06 * dcook should really be leaving work...but is testing code instead 07:02 * dcook might still wear a sweater... 07:02 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 17.0°C (4:30 PM EST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 07:02 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 07:01 dcook magnuse: Awesome. Thanks :). 07:01 alex_a hello magnuse 07:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 17.9°C (9:01 AM CEST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 07:01 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 07:01 magnuse @wunder boo 07:01 magnuse bonjour alex_a yohann 07:01 magnuse dcook: done :-) 06:57 wahanui hey, alex_a 06:57 alex_a bonjour 06:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12479 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Update mailmap for master 06:57 dcook bug 12479 06:57 dcook Hehe. Anyone want a super easy sign off? 06:50 dcook Hmm I'll need to add a .mailmap commit.. 06:49 cait hi magnuse 06:48 dcook yo magnuse 06:48 magnuse hiya cait dcook eythian 06:47 dcook eythian: nighters 06:47 dcook salut reiveune :) 06:45 cait hi reiveune :) 06:42 reiveune salut magnuse dcook cait 06:42 magnuse bonjour reiveune 06:40 reiveune hello 06:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha 06:39 magnuse Bug 12478 - woohoo! 06:36 * magnuse waves 06:32 eythian I might head home. I realised that I got in over an hour earlier this morning to avoid no bus madness, so it's been a long enough day. I expect you all to have added issues/patches to the bug by tomorrow! :) 06:27 ashimema :) 06:27 eythian s/anyone/everyone/ :) 06:26 eythian There we go, now it should be easy for anyone to test the ES stuff for me ;) 06:25 ashimema evening eythian 06:25 eythian hi ashimema 06:25 ashimema morning cait. 06:24 * cait waves to ashimema 06:23 ashimema just catching up 06:23 ashimema nice one eythian. 06:23 ashimema ooh.. awesome.. theres now a bug for es.. 06:22 eythian you apt-get install elasticsearch :) 06:22 cait the koha bits does look too easy... i guess the other bits are more complicated for testing 06:21 cait eythian: just one thing... how does one set up an es-server? 06:20 eythian how refreshing. 06:20 cait missed the last comments - refreshing helps :) 06:20 ashimema morning all 06:20 eythian oh yeah, dependencies 06:20 eythian well, read the bug 06:20 cait like dependencies needed ... and stuff like that 06:20 eythian oh 06:20 cait i actually meant to ask for some instructions on how to use the patch 06:19 cait how... 06:19 cait ah 06:19 eythian cait: the amount of times I've forgotten to do that after reloading a database... 06:18 cait eythian: why does one need to do to turn elastic on with your patch?:) 06:16 dcook Hmm, cait, looks like GitStats respects .mailmap 06:14 dcook Ooo, wonderful. Thanks, eythian :). 06:14 cait :) 06:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha 06:12 eythian dcook: bug 12478 06:10 eythian that took quite some time 06:10 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 06:09 wahanui niihau, eythian 06:09 eythian hi wahanui 06:06 dcook Wait...that's a huginn thing I thought.. 06:06 dcook No wahanui 06:06 dcook D'oh 06:05 dcook @later tell rangi Do you have a .mailmap file for GitStats or does it use the one in master? 06:05 dcook Good call 06:05 cait not sure if there is a second file rangi uses, you migth want to check with him 06:05 dcook Adding one to my total and removing that "David" entry from GitStats :) 06:04 dcook I think that I can get "David" mapped to "David Cook" 06:04 dcook cait: Yes, that's definitely it! 05:59 dcook The .mailmap feature is used to coalesce together commits by the same person in the shortlog, where their name and/or email address was spelled differently. 05:59 dcook That could be it, cait! 05:59 cait i think in the repository for the release notes script 05:59 cait dcook: there is a mailmap file somewhere 05:59 dcook Must've been for something else perhaps 05:58 dcook I thought I saw jcamin's old email associated with his new one 05:58 dcook I swear that I've seen aliases of some type before somewhere... 05:58 eythian he's away for a few days 05:58 dcook Thanks anyway :) 05:58 dcook Yeah, I think that's a rangi matter 05:58 eythian ah. I know nothing about GitStats sorry :) 05:58 dcook I noticed that my stats are different between Github and Gitweb 05:58 dcook eythian: I was thinking about GitStats hehe 05:57 dcook Author: David Cook <dcook@prosentient.com.au> 05:57 dcook commit 87eae41e509a69e6698264a38d079c78ef2451cb 05:57 dcook versus my 2nd: 05:57 eythian git doesn't really know about usernames, and author names/emails are just a bit of metadata, there's no real idea of them meaning anything beyond that AIUI 05:57 dcook Author: David <dcook@prosentient.com.au> 05:57 dcook commit b49af1df17c06cb41d168fa154cb2104798c33cf 05:57 dcook My first commit: 05:57 dcook Commit messages I think 05:56 eythian where are these usernames coming from? 05:56 dcook Or Email X is equivalent to Email Y? 05:56 dcook Is there a way to say Username X is equivalent to Username Y? 05:56 dcook Fair enough 05:55 eythian I'm not sure I understand the question. 05:53 dcook I think I've seen it before with email address... 05:53 dcook Hmm, is there a way to associate different usernames with the same user in Git? 05:45 Oak hello cait 05:45 Oak kia ora #koha 05:39 dcook The patches you sent will help :) 05:38 dcook optimistic* 05:38 dcook That's certainly your prerogative. I definitely experience highs and lows, but I'm optismitic about the future. 05:36 paxed well, enough of that. i'm nearly out of fucks to give - just coasting until the end of the month. 05:35 * dcook shrugs 05:35 dcook But not an outright fail 05:35 dcook Maybe add a follow-up to restore the bold at least... 05:34 dcook Yeah, I don't know if I would fail QA that for that reason 05:34 dcook Hmm, I suppose that one is a bit of a judgment call 05:32 paxed i did not mind the time. the sentimentality that nothing should change in the output was galling. especially because the original code was not consistent between the tabs in the first place. 05:31 dcook paxed: By the way, that does look like an elegant patch! 05:31 dcook And then the failed QA and the revised patch 05:30 dcook In that case though, it looks like the longest gap was between creating the patch and getting the initial sign off 05:28 dcook paxed: That would be frustrating. 05:25 * dcook looks at paxed's bug 05:25 dcook I think I got my answers from reading the code though 05:25 dcook I was actually going to ask you about your QueryBuilder I think...but I can't remember why 05:24 dcook Cool :) 05:24 eythian dcook: I know, I plan to remove it some time. 05:24 dcook eythian: I plan to rip it out of the current code as it's already deprecated 05:24 dcook eythian: You don't need to include QueryRemoveStopwords 05:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11885 normal, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Pushed to Master , Inconsistent HTML in MARC Details 05:24 paxed dcook: my personal frustration was eg. bug 11885 05:23 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=Koha/SearchEngine/Elasticsearch/QueryBuilder.pm;h=20ea1429c5fb087fd72deedd2c0e2af1bcb6cea6;hb=fd8b83fc7668fc3bc9570a3ef0b56cbf96429b0e <-- here's my QueryBuilder, dcook, just fyi 05:23 dcook And just cope with personal frustrations. 05:23 dcook As much as I would like it to be fast, I think I have to choose high quality for the good of the project. 05:22 dcook ^ 05:22 eythian fast, high quality ... pick 1. 05:22 dcook The problems of the past were often created by a lack of nitpicky QA, I imagine 05:22 dcook paxed: That's a bit of a conundrum though, no? 05:21 paxed my main problem is that the QA can be too nitpicky. 05:21 dcook Totally 05:21 eythian yeah, historically that's been pretty terrible 05:21 dcook (For everyone else as well as for myself) 05:20 dcook eythian: That's why I'm hoping to do more in-code commenting as I try to improve Search as well 05:20 paxed dcook: yes, galen does amazing things, no doubt. 05:20 dcook eythian: Yeah, I've struggled with that in the past as well 05:19 eythian I sometimes have trouble just keeping up with the bits that I'm supposed to know a lot about, in between other work. 05:19 dcook Galen pushed 559 so far in 2014 05:19 dcook for master 05:19 dcook 37 patches pushed in June 05:19 dcook But if you look at the stats, there is a lot of code pushed every month 05:18 dcook If knowledge is too specialized, it takes even longer to get things pushed 05:18 dcook Others should take the time to learn QueryParser so that they can fix it too 05:17 dcook But that's not fair 05:17 dcook For instance, it's generally accepted that jcamins is the babysitter for QueryParser 05:17 dcook paxed: Yeah, the babysitting thing is interesting 05:16 dcook I think that's where I get frustrated. 05:16 dcook And we don't really have the time/effort to waste 05:15 dcook As the efforts might be wasted 05:15 dcook Or rather...why bother trying to improve it for everyone if it takes a long time 05:15 paxed "and we'd need to baby-sit it through every minute" 05:15 dcook I was just about to say that ;) 05:15 paxed "why bother generalizing this quick hard-coded hack we have, when it takes a year for it to get into master?" 05:14 dcook But that's the time/money/strategic vision problem :/ 05:14 dcook I'd also like to take on projects that start upstream and eventually trickle down 05:14 dcook Usually, the paid work happens first locally, and then I upstream as much as I can (I would like more time to upstream more). 05:13 dcook I'm getting paid to maintain, but I'm also a librarian (and a perfectionist) who wants to improve Koha for everyone 05:13 dcook I think that's quite a good point 05:13 paxed or you'll just get people who are getting paid to maintain, but aren't doing anything more than caring about their own library's needs. 05:12 dcook Lots of people working on Koha. 05:12 dcook paxed: I suppose although Koha doesn't suffer from a lack of contributions 05:12 paxed dcook: the problem is that if newbs get frustrated when the bug-flow is irritating, they'll just stop contributing and go somewhere else. 05:12 dcook paxed: Ahhh, neato. 05:11 paxed dcook: a municipality-owned company, that handles all the helpdesking, networking, computer &c stuff for the municipalities around here. 05:10 dcook paxed: who is your real employer? 05:10 dcook eythian: I think that's the thing that a lot of newbs like paxed and I need to keep in mind 05:10 paxed kivilahtio got a permanent job here, so he'll be the one to maintain the system. i'll go back to my real employer. 05:10 dcook ^ 05:09 eythian part of the problem was that in the Before Time, a lot of stuff went in with no sort of process, so there's still junk being pulled out. 05:09 dcook Being open source, it's a bit easier to see the warts, but they exist in all systems, I think 05:09 dcook And I do still prefer it over the proprietary ILSes I used in the past 05:09 dcook I wasn't too impressed when I started using it at 3.2, but 3.14 is quite a bit better 05:08 dcook Koha is getting progressively better though 05:08 dcook I probably wouldn't worry too much about it then ;) 05:08 dcook Ah, well, that's pretty soon! 05:07 paxed not right now. i'm also sort-of giving up - my current employment at the library ends at the end of this month. 05:06 dcook Is there a particular one you have in mind? 05:06 paxed but having a one-liner require months of back and forth is irritating. 05:05 dcook or MM 05:05 paxed dcook: typos in text are generally painfully obvious, at least to me. typos in code should of course be tested. 05:05 dcook I wonder if that would be an idea...having a rule where trivial patches can go straight to QA or RM... 05:05 dcook paxed: testing or QA or both? 05:04 dcook (And to test the patches of others to increase my karma/chances of my patches being tested) 05:04 paxed dcook: imo stuff that is obvious, like typo fixes, shouldn't require QA. 05:04 dcook I reported something like 6 bugs today and while some of them have easy fixes, I don't necessarily have the time/stamina to write the patches and the test plans 05:03 dcook But we're all time poor as well. 05:03 dcook Certainly feels that way sometimes 05:02 paxed dcook: "lumbering" 05:01 dcook paxed: I would also rather it be an uphill battle than a swamp where any and all code goes in. I just want to move faster than is realistic. 05:00 eythian hi cait 05:00 dcook paxed: Usually, I feel ok about it, but I think I was particularly low on energy when I wrote that. 04:59 dcook hey cait 04:59 dcook paxed: I thought you might be able to relate :p 04:58 paxed dcook: your comment on how it's all uphill battle is exactly how i feel. 03:42 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 03:41 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 02:42 * dcook didn't mean to stifle the conversation... 02:37 dcook (Although I'm somewhat on the fence about labels...the ability to at least see the difference between labels might be good for when fields are renamed) 02:36 dcook And updates from the yaml framework to the custom DB frameworks wouldn't have to touch any of those 02:36 dcook And to add local fields/subfields. 02:36 dcook The only thing you really want to change is visibility, mandatory, labels. 02:35 dcook I think it would be OK to have a one-way relationship from the yaml framework to the custom frameworks 02:34 dcook 9xx and such 02:34 dcook Well, it's legitimate to add local fields 02:34 dcook Ah right.. 02:34 pianohacker not that a library would do such a terrible thing <_< 02:34 dcook I'm not sure about that 02:34 pianohacker mainly for custom MARC mappings 02:34 dcook Hmm 02:33 pianohacker _possibly_ allow a default framework in the DB to overlay parts of the YAML to allow for both updates and messing around with the local framework 02:33 dcook I would rather store the default framework as yaml rather than SQL 02:33 dcook That thought has crossed my mind a lot 02:33 dcook ^ 02:33 pianohacker we could always have the default framework as a yaml somewhere and custom frameworks elsewhere 02:33 dcook By default, I suppose we could automate it to add missing fields/subfields...so long as they remain hidden. 02:32 dcook But changing what fields/subfields show up...huge problem 02:32 dcook Changing "repeatability" isn't much of an issue since it's pretty transparent. 02:32 dcook We don't track indicators, so those changes are irrelevant. We also don't track descriptions of fields, so they're also irrelevant. 02:31 dcook (To a lesser degree label/name changes) 02:31 dcook Really it's about missing fields, subfields, and changes to whether it can repeat. 02:31 dcook I think the key is what needs to be updated... 02:30 dcook Each time a librarian changes a framework, that would need to commit to a git though 02:29 eythian So if it's all version controlled, then it'll do it for you. 02:29 eythian well, part of the problem is that you don't want to mess up local changes when updating. 02:27 dcook Haha. What? 02:27 eythian There, solved it :D 02:26 eythian it should all be files in git and they just get branched and merged like everything else. 02:23 dcook I actually haven't thought this out as much as I need to in order to offer up a real solution... 02:15 * dcook doesn't want to traumatize eythian to the point that he never speaks in channel again :p 02:15 dcook Sorry, I should stop ranting... 02:15 dcook Vs "MARC/standard-level" 02:15 dcook Basically "Koha-level" things 02:15 dcook And "tab" 02:15 dcook And "mandatory" I suppose 02:14 dcook (Unless they're creating a non-MARC framework) 02:14 dcook In theory, the only thing a person should really ever need to do is change labels and visibility 02:14 dcook Actually... 02:14 dcook Then having a script that did a sort of diff to highlight changes/updates 02:13 dcook I had thought about using the default framework SQL as a base and loading it into a sort of "tag library" 02:13 dcook Unfortuantely, since we can no longer import frameworks via SQL, it's even harder. 02:12 * dcook has been pondering this problem on and off over the past few years 02:12 dcook That is, the librarian would have to review updates. 02:12 dcook It would probably have to be manual though 02:12 eythian yeah 02:12 dcook There needs to be a mechanism for updates though 02:12 dcook Unfortunately 02:12 dcook Agreed 02:11 eythian yeah, changing someone's framework while they're using it is probably not a good thing 02:09 dcook I guess new installs might be getting updated frameworks though.. 02:06 dcook According to http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html, there have been quite a few changes in the last 15 years 02:05 dcook And only 12 auth_subfield_structure changes in that time as well.. 02:05 dcook Huh...1 auth_tag_structure change in the history of updatedatabase.pl 02:02 * dcook will have to actually remember the link himself.. 02:02 dcook We're a bot down! 02:02 dcook Hmm 02:02 dcook marc history? 02:02 dcook marc status? 02:02 dcook history? 02:02 dcook status? 00:57 pianohacker It ain't easy bein' a night owl 00:55 dcook Well, not all of them...just the ones I went to... 00:54 dcook I tried to get some food in the city the other day, and sure enough all the restaurants were closed by 6pm :S 00:54 dcook Ahh, dinger :/ 00:53 pianohacker dcook: not really. Hotel is near the airport and the good coffee shops around here seem to close early 00:49 dcook Surely there must be better options around? 00:49 dcook Where are you, pianohacker? 00:47 pianohacker okay, about to try the hotel coffee maker. I'm desperate for awake 00:30 dcook Hmm maybe not.. 00:28 dcook Hmm, might try using dbix for a local mod...might be good practice... 00:09 dcook </rant> 00:09 dcook Or sales...2 + 2 = 5...ugh. 00:09 dcook [off] especially given how many people I know online who haven't figured it out yet 00:09 dcook When I thought about it in terms of politics, it makes my skin crawl. 00:08 dcook They lay out* 00:08 dcook They out the premise and you just accept it because...well...that's what you do when someone talks to you. 00:08 dcook Due to the authority with which the narrator/writer speaks, you doubt yourself before you doubt them. 00:08 dcook Actually, I think it's a bit terrifying. 00:08 dcook hehe. I know, right? 00:06 eythian that's annoyingly sneaky