Time Nick Message 01:01 tcohen night #koha 01:31 tcohen @wunder quito, ecuador 01:31 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Yanahuaico, Quito, Ecuador is 14.1°C (8:30 PM ECT on June 10, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Rising). 01:33 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 01:33 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 18.0°C (11:00 AM EST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 01:33 dcook Hm, maybe I should go outside... 01:33 dcook hi btw :) 01:34 eythian @wunder nzwn 01:34 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (1:00 PM NZST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 01:35 tcohen hi dcook 01:37 tcohen i need internet to work flawlessly in the hotel, right now 01:37 tcohen is it too much to ask? 01:40 tcohen eythian: i liked your email on the packages 01:40 eythian cool 01:40 tcohen 1 question about it: 01:41 tcohen if it was possible to force koha-common-3.14 -> koha-common-3.16 once 3.14 reaches EOL 01:41 eythian not that I know of 01:41 tcohen something like a stub package that pulls the koha-common-3.16 dependency 01:41 eythian not without having another package above it that controls that dependency 01:42 tcohen hypothetically 01:42 eythian so you could have 'koha-stable' that causes it to change. 01:43 tcohen i was thinking it might be possible to have koha-common-3.14 be replaced by a stub package that pulls the next one or something like that 01:43 eythian Hmm. I suppose you could. But then anyone who wants to keep 3.14 would be forced to upgrade, which defeats part of the purpose. 01:44 tcohen i see it as a point of balance 01:44 tcohen between forcing the early upgrade, and keeping the old version that reached EOL 01:45 eythian If I were going that route, I'd probably have packages that depend on the current appropriate series, and have them do the upgrading. 01:47 tcohen interesting 01:47 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 01:47 tcohen looks like what i was thinking of should need three levels, right? 01:48 tcohen koha-3.14 being a meta package depending on koha-common-3.14 01:48 eythian probably yeah, something like that. 01:49 tcohen and we should finally make koha-common-3.14 have a dialog for setting a single instance 01:50 eythian Hmm. At the least I'd like to have it configure koha-sites.conf, but it's possibly worth having it optionally walk through creating an instance. 01:51 tcohen ahhh 01:51 * tcohen agrees on setting koha-sites.conf 01:53 tcohen eythian, btw has there been any discussion (at the beginning) on having sort of "instance registry" file for tracking instance creation parameters? 01:54 eythian how do you mean? 01:54 tcohen think of a json/yaml file where the maintenance/update scripts can take a look for making the right decisions 01:54 eythian though, regardless of what you mean, I think the answer is no :) 01:54 eythian ah, I see. 01:54 eythian No, but I think it would be a good idea. 01:57 * tcohen will try some ecuatorian beer right now, with the hope internet will be usable when he's back 01:58 eythian :) 02:07 pianohacker A vim plugin, of all things, leads me to ask if parentheses around the condition in a one-line conditional ('print "hi" if ( $hello )') are common convention 02:09 eythian I don't tend to do it. 02:10 eythian but I definitely have done it. 02:10 pianohacker Our perltidyrc doesn't do put them there... interesting. You see thm in all sorts of examples, always thought they were mandatory 02:11 eythian only mandatory on the convential if form. 02:11 pianohacker never a dull moment when you earn your daily bread from the perl parser 02:12 eythian heh 02:13 jcamins pianohacker: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596001735.do 02:14 pianohacker I do need to read that. 02:14 jcamins I think it might actually be available online, though I'm not sure. 02:14 pianohacker looks like there's a $30 PDF download, worthwhile investment 02:15 eythian It's worth reading, however read it critically. 02:15 eythian Also, skip the part on OO, I've been told. 02:16 jcamins I read the entire thing. 02:16 jcamins In one ear, out the other. 02:17 pianohacker eythian: by the way, I had a conversation with galen about the lwp thing. He mentioned that it was probably a good idea to not introduce a Depends in a minor version, and would prefer to have a koha-overdrive-perl-deps package for the 3.16 cycle 02:18 pianohacker would that be a possibility 02:18 pianohacker ? 02:18 eythian pianohacker: yeahh.... 02:18 eythian I'd probably put it in as a recommends. 02:18 pianohacker sorry to be the bearer of work :/ 02:18 eythian and then in 3.18 move it to work normally. 02:19 eythian if it's a recommends it shouldn't cause problems. 02:22 tcohen logo? 02:22 wahanui logo is included in the tm I believe 02:25 tcohen is there a repository with banners and logos for presentations? 02:25 eythian I thought I saw something on the wiki once 02:25 rangi yep 02:26 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/The_Koha_Logo_:_Origins_and_Explanation you can get the logo there as an svg 02:26 rangi (down the bottom) 02:26 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_logo_design 02:27 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/File:Koha-logo-black-and-white.jpg i mostly use this one 02:28 tcohen thanks rangi and eythian 02:34 tcohen I f*ing love inkscape 04:02 irma g'day all 04:02 irma I wonder if funding has been secured for "Koha Development Opportunity : Display of images in OPAC from multiple sources" 04:02 irma as i am thinking about posting it on the kohaOZ elist 04:03 tcohen hi irma 04:03 irma hi tcohen :-) 04:07 eythian irma: see kathryn's followup post from this morning. 04:07 eythian (short answer is "yes" :) 04:07 irma tcohen are you designing a Kohacon2014 logo? 04:07 tcohen i'm not 04:08 tcohen there's other people on that 04:08 irma a team gets more work done :-) 04:08 tcohen i'm "selling" Koha to ecuatorian universities and public institutions tomorrow and am preparing my presentation 04:08 tcohen :-D 04:09 irma tcohen you might like to add http://library.rijksmuseum.nl/ 04:09 tcohen "selling" meaning convincing them to move open source and create an ecuatorian community 04:09 tcohen i wont add it 04:09 irma tcohen yep ... I understand ... and lots of "reassuring" 04:09 tcohen i'mjealous 04:09 tcohen :-P 04:10 tcohen (kidding of course, it looks impresive!) 04:10 irma tcohen Hope you win someone over tomorrow! Go Koha! 04:10 tcohen their main concern is the long term 04:11 tcohen which we have covered :-D 04:11 irma Go tcohen! 04:12 tcohen Go Koha! 04:12 tcohen :-D 04:18 irma eythian ++ thanks for the heads up....ah yes ... this is good news ... let's hope it will make it to koha 3.18 04:18 eythian irma: rangi was working on it today, making good progress. 04:18 irma *into 04:19 irma cool 04:48 pianohacker question for any catalogers around. If a record doesn't have a title, where should it appear in a title-sorted set of records? 04:49 pianohacker dcook: if you're around, would like to poke your brain on this :) 04:50 tcohen kohacon13 group photo? 04:53 eythian pianohacker: I think Koha considered 245$a to be mandatory, so I guess it shouldn't appear :) 04:54 pianohacker eythian: fair enough :) this is applying to z39.50 search, though, so expanding the question to other fields that could be blank? 04:56 * dcook perks up 04:57 dcook That's a good question. 04:57 dcook I don't think I've ever catalogued anything without a title of some kind 04:57 dcook Why doesn't it have a title? 04:57 pianohacker Say the question, then, is sorting records by author 04:57 dcook I'm thinking maybe it has a 240 instead of a 245? 04:57 pianohacker Or that 04:58 dcook Hmm.. 04:58 dcook I imagine the answer would be to sort if by the 1xx entry 04:58 eythian I'm totally stuck on how to approach this browse search interface in a sane manner. I can do it in a way that involves fetching all the values to the code that generates it, but that has a real potential of being slow. 04:58 dcook sort it* 04:58 tcohen bye #koha, have a nice day/night 04:58 dcook laterz tcohen 04:59 tcohen goodbyezz 04:59 pianohacker dcook: Right. Suppose you can't find an author-like field for a record, though. (And this is Z39.50 searching, so it's beyond your control.) Would you put those empty-authored records at the end or beginning? 04:59 pianohacker bye tcohen 04:59 pianohacker heh 05:01 dcook pianohacker: Dang. No title and no author? :p 05:02 dcook Well, I think most automated sorters would probably put it at the beginning...but I think it might make more functional sense to put it at the end. 05:02 pianohacker dcook: Let me fill you in on what I'm doing, my question might be less nonsensical then :) I'm working on a metasearch backend for Rancor, and trying to add sorting 05:02 dcook Right-o 05:02 * dcook seems to recall the demo at Kohacon13 :) 05:02 pianohacker this unfortunately has to be done by the metasearch backend, target-side sorting seems to be inconsistent 05:02 pianohacker (reimplementing on my own what pazpar2 formerly did) 05:03 pianohacker so I fetch 100 records from each target then sort all the results from the targets together 05:03 pianohacker (currently, for a proof of concept, by title) 05:07 dcook Sounds good to me 05:08 pianohacker dcook: thus my question. I like your answer, though, makes sense that if you're sorting by a field things without that field are probably useless to you 05:09 dcook I would think so 05:09 dcook I noticed the other day that some Z39.50 results I was getting back didn't have titles... 05:09 dcook And were sorted to the top 05:09 dcook They annoyed me as they weren't useful for my test but I wonder why they didn't have titles.. 05:10 * dcook does a quick check while balancing the other things he's doing because why not :D 05:10 dcook Hmm can't remember which db now.. 05:11 dcook Hmm, would require a restore and I'm using that db.. 05:11 dcook pianohacker: So not entirely sure on that one, alas :/ 05:11 dcook How hard would it be to make it configurable? 05:11 pianohacker no worries, thanks anyway 05:12 dcook Even if only configurable in a backend sense (i.e. easy to change later :P) 05:12 pianohacker the latter is a good idea. 05:31 pianohacker hi ashimema! 05:33 ashimema Hi pianohacker 05:33 pianohacker how's it going? 05:33 ashimema Not bad, bloody busy at the mo, but generally not bad 05:33 ashimema How's you? 05:34 ashimema I've made a date with cait to go through shib next week.. Promising 05:35 ashimema How's rancor coming along 05:36 pianohacker ashimema: glad to hear. Rancor is coming along fairly well, had to write a new Z39.50 search backend to replace pazpar2 (thus why I'm working at this hour), but otherwise slowly getting polished :) 05:40 pianohacker ashimema: what's keeping you busy? 05:55 pianohacker hi cait 05:58 cait hi 05:58 wahanui niihau, cait 06:07 ashimema Got a few koha projects going on, but actually most of my time has been spent on another product of late 06:07 ashimema Been rewriting a php mess in perl 06:08 ashimema Oh, shame you've had to move away from pazpar2, what was wrong with it? 06:14 ashimema Back.. Connection comes and goes allot this morning 06:14 ashimema Did I kiss anywything pianohacker 06:14 ashimema Lol.. s/kiss/miss/ 06:15 pianohacker oh jeez. have fun with that PHP. And don't go kissin' no zebras 06:15 ashimema s/anywything/anything/ 06:15 ashimema :-P 06:16 pianohacker [off] there were frequent segfaults, major bugs, poor documentation, an awkward API and it is a pain to deploy 06:16 ashimema So yeah, what went wrong with pazpar.. It'll be nice to rip out that dependency.. But hopefully its not left you with too much work 06:16 pianohacker [off] I was fine with it being confusing and painful because it worked, but then it stopped working 06:16 ashimema Ouch..hard to deploy is one thing.. But segfaults.. That really isn't good 06:18 pianohacker [off] tried to QA it on cait's machine, and it would segfault under the exact same conditions that it would work on my computer (and hers, randomly, the next day). It's been segfaulting in some test environments we've been working on. It's just developed from a useful specialized tool into a nightmare 06:19 ashimema Oh dear.. So are you using another library for z.. Or having to build your own. 06:20 ashimema I've not found any others myself 06:20 pianohacker Using YAZ, seems to be working well enough 06:22 ashimema Cool, well we've been using yaz allot for years.. Things its somewhat better maintained. Though the docs are still pretty incomprehensible 06:22 pianohacker Yeah, though only to the level that most anything having to deal with Z39.50 is :) 06:23 ashimema True, Z itself is pretty incomprehsible 06:44 reiveune hello 06:45 pianohacker hi reiveune 06:56 gaetan_B hello 06:56 pianohacker hello, gaetan_B 06:56 wahanui hello, gaetan_B is looking at bug 9059 because of another problem i noticed, i want to ask you what you think : 06:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9059 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, CLOSED FIXED, Increase size of opac-sendbasket window 06:57 alex_a bonjour 06:58 fridolin hie all 07:00 gaetan_B hi pianohacker how are you doing ? 07:00 pianohacker gaetan_B: good, just working late. How are you? 07:00 gaetan_B good :) the day is only starting here 07:02 * magnuse waves 07:02 magnuse @wunder boo 07:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 07:02 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 22.8°C (9:02 AM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 07:02 magnuse :-) 07:06 pianohacker marseille++ 07:16 magnuse hehe 07:24 Joubu Does someone use CAS? It seems the CAS auth does not work on master, see bug 12398. 07:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12398 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , CAS authentication not working 08:02 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:02 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.2°C (10:00 AM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 08:02 cait hm guess it will be just as warm as yesterday today :( 08:06 magnuse cait: we have nice temps up here :-) 08:06 cait too warm here for my taste :) 08:06 cait we had a thunderstorm last night, but it doesn't look like it did much 08:27 drojf hi #koha 08:31 magnuse hiya drojf 08:33 drojf hei magnuse :) 08:36 cait hi drojf :) 08:36 drojf hi cait :) 08:44 magnuse woohoo, Viktor got his first patch in! 08:45 cait :) 08:46 magnuse hm, doing a git pull on master now gives me an error related to MM-OPAC/bug_11169 08:46 magnuse anyone else seen that? 08:47 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git pull on master" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/37 08:47 Joubu magnuse: yes, 2 days ago. You can launch the suggested git command 08:50 magnuse Joubu: thanks, that did indeed solve it 08:58 magnuse bug 11401 introduces some new perl module dependencies - does it make sense to list them as "not required" in PerlDependencies.pm, since the functionality will only be used by norwegian libraries? 08:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add support for Norwegian national library card 09:00 Joubu magnuse: Yes, I think so. What is the deps? 09:07 magnuse SOAP::Lite, Crypt::GCrypt, Convert::BaseN 09:09 magnuse ...and Test::DBIx::Class 09:13 cait hm the last one... looks generally useful somehow :) 09:18 magnuse yeah, might make sense to require that 09:22 magnuse any tips on how to set the min_ver for new dependencies? 09:22 cait hm not sure 09:22 cait maybe the version that is in debian if that's what worked for yu? 09:23 magnuse guess i'm not even sure how to tell the versions i have installed... 09:23 magnuse i have tested on ubuntu, so far 09:24 magnuse ah, i can use "About Koha" to check the versions :-) 09:28 cait reminder: today is dev meeting! 09:30 magnuse yeah, at dinnertime... 09:34 drojf when is it? 09:35 drojf (and why is it not in the topic?^^) 09:35 cait because i couldn't figure out the right command to make that work when i tried yesterday 09:35 drojf what about /topic ? :) 09:35 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_11_June_2014 09:36 cait oh 09:36 drojf :) 09:36 cait it worked. 09:36 cait :) 09:36 drojf 15 utc is 13 for us? 09:36 cait i think 17:00 09:36 drojf oh no 17 09:36 cait look at the links 09:36 drojf right 09:37 magnuse cait++ 09:37 magnuse and 22 is midnight 09:38 cait yep 09:38 cait i will run out early form the first one 09:38 cait spanish lessons, but should be there for 45 mins or so 09:44 magnuse gah, looks like Convert::BaseN and Test::DBIx::Class are not packaged for debian 10:09 kivilahtio http://www.karjalainen.fi/uutiset/uutis-alueet/kotimaa/item/50968-ohjelmavirhe-kiusasi-kirjastoa-ja-asiakkaita-sahkopostilaatikkoon-jopa-tuhat-turhaa-viestia 10:09 kivilahtio its a bit in finnish 10:09 kivilahtio but still :) 10:11 cait hopefully not about the email scandal? 10:11 cait :) 10:12 kivilahtio exactly about the email scandal 10:12 cait oh noes 10:12 cait is it very bad? 10:12 kivilahtio maybe I am a bit crazy but I don't feel too bad about it 10:12 kivilahtio it might be because I am in such a shock still 10:12 cait poor kivilahtio :( 10:13 kivilahtio I havent really been out in the circulation area 10:13 kivilahtio but its not bad where i sit in 10:14 paxed with the room door closed and locked? 10:14 cait heh 10:14 kivilahtio unfortunately it is open 10:14 kivilahtio and all kinds of people walk in and out constantly 10:14 cait i am sorry you ran into that... but kinda glad we didn't 10:14 kivilahtio :) 10:15 cait ... that's a bit mean probably *sends cookies* 10:15 kivilahtio somebody needs to take the hit 10:15 kivilahtio now and then 10:15 kivilahtio and we are piloting so... 10:16 cait i hope it's the last problem like this you run into 10:20 Joubu kivilahtio: hum, or maybe it could be a good opportunity to ask for funding a rewrite of notifications... ;) 10:21 * cait waves at Joubu 10:21 cait will you be around this afternoon maybe 10:21 cait ? 10:21 cait i hope i have time to give the patron generaion script a try :) 10:22 Joubu cait: yes, of course 10:22 cait cool :) ok, have to run out for a bit, bbl 10:22 Joubu ok, see you 10:22 cait Joubu: can you be around for the dev meeting today? the first one 10:22 cait ? 10:23 Joubu cait: yes, I will try 10:23 cait nice :) 10:23 kivilahtio Joubu: I think the notifications system works quite well? Albeit a BIT hard to modify apparently :) 10:23 cait gone now :) 10:24 Joubu kivilahtio: unfortunately, there is no unit tests :-/ 10:25 kivilahtio propably unit tests wouldn't have caught that issue 10:25 kivilahtio it is a hard to test issue anyway 10:26 Joubu kivilahtio: no, this issue would have been avoided with good unit tests. Or at least won't appear in the future... 10:27 kivilahtio well if you have good unit tests... 10:27 kivilahtio last I checked unit tests are a pain 10:53 cait kivilahtio: it depends on the area but thy don't have to be 10:54 cait i think the db_dependent ones are not too bad to write now 10:55 * cait is back :) 11:54 cait Joubu++ :) 12:15 cait hi khall :) 12:15 cait khall: could you take a look at your patches still in the needs sign off queue? some have comments with quesions 12:18 talljoy morning 12:20 oleonard Hi everyone 12:22 cait hi oleonard :) 12:29 cait @wunder Konstanz 12:29 cait Joubu: trying your script now :) 12:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.5°C (2:25 PM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 12:30 cait Joubu: quie ugly borrowers :) 12:31 * cait creates 2000 borrowers 12:37 cait ah 12:37 cait the meeting is not today... but tomorrow 12:37 cait no it's today... i am just confused because we hada holiday on monday 12:38 magnuse lol 12:38 oleonard We need a meeting reminder bot 12:39 magnuse both on irc and the mailinglist(s) 12:39 magnuse hourly emails to all koha lists ;-) 12:40 oleonard Also a bot that do all my work all the time forever 12:40 drojf ou know it's a meeting when the emails stop. perfect! 12:40 drojf *you 12:47 cait ok, sent a reminder 12:47 oleonard cait++ 12:47 cait hope without too many mistakes 12:48 Joubu cait: yes, it is ugly... But it is the easier way I found :) 12:48 * oleonard realizes he hasn't even opened his email yet this morning 12:48 cait Joubu: i don't mind the ugliness :) 12:50 cait Joubu: i probably won't finish today before i have to run out again... but i am back on testing 12:53 cait oleonard: how many patrons does your library have int he database? 12:54 oleonard 43178 (although not all are active patrons) 12:54 cait oleonard: oh that's a lot 12:54 cait i am upping mine to 10.000 now 12:55 cait i am testing bug9811 12:55 cait bug 9811 12:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patrons search improvements 12:56 cait Joubu: you around still? 12:56 Joubu cait: 125k in one of our bigger customer's DB. 12:56 cait there is something weird 12:56 cait the cardnumber does show up as 0 for the added patrons 12:57 cait but if I go to the record, they have a cardnumber 12:57 cait WfijQd.c.vhVedGT 12:57 cait for example 12:57 cait my older patrons have numeric cardnumbers that show up nicely it seems - could you take a look at that? 12:57 * magnuse created this script for generating borrowers many moons ago: https://github.com/Libriotech/LibrioTools/blob/master/sim/patrons.pl 12:57 * magnuse needs some fresh air 12:59 Joubu cait: I didn't understand, sorry 12:59 cait give me a sec, i will explain again :) 13:00 cait Joubu: it will only display numeric cardnumbers - but cardnumbers can be alphanumeric 13:00 cait i just checked: when the cardnumber is 123456 it displays, when it's one of the strings you generated or any string that is, it shows 0 instead 13:02 Joubu cait: ok, reproduced. 13:02 cait I have to run in a few minuts, I will add a new comment to the bug in 10 mins 13:04 Joubu I added that in the sql query CAST(borrowers.cardnumber AS UNSIGNED) AS cardnumber 13:04 Joubu I don't know why :-/ 13:06 Joubu cait: patch sent. 13:06 cait now you were faster than me :) 13:08 cait much better now :) 13:13 cait Joubu: i am not sure about keeping the 'all' for the numer of results 13:14 cait i seems to make my browser almost crash with about 8000 patrons now 13:14 Joubu what do you suggest ? 13:14 Joubu 100 is not enought 13:15 cait not sure... more making a note 13:15 Joubu Actually there is a regression if the "all" is not possible. 13:15 cait maybe it's ok... and a trianing question 13:15 cait ah ok 13:15 Joubu with master, it is possible to add "all patrons" to a list 13:15 cait we will keep it, it's not blocking really, just trying out a few mean things :) 13:16 cait i have a tiny thing: Branch in the filters should be labelled: library :) 13:17 Joubu khall: thank you for you new patch on bug 10612. It looks much more better and consistent 13:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to delete patrons with batch patron deletion tool 13:18 Joubu your* 13:21 Joubu cait: k, fixed 13:21 cait lol 13:21 cait i just wanted to add my notes! 13:21 Joubu ok sorry :) I wait for the note! 13:22 cait have to run - my bus leaves in 6 mins 13:22 cait bye all 13:22 Joubu cait: bye 13:26 francharb good morning #koha 13:40 bgkriegel Hi 14:33 * cait waves from the bookstore cafe :) 14:41 cait @wunder Konstanz 14:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.8°C (4:40 PM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 14:43 Joubu Does someone can explain me why the location is not displayed on this screen : http://pro.test8.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl?q=d for the second record 14:44 Joubu Actually, I know why, looking at the code. If the "not for loan" is set, the location is not displayed. But I don't understand why 14:47 * cait takes a look 14:47 cait what's the password joubu? 14:47 Joubu cait: test/test 14:48 Joubu cait: if I remove the "not for loan" (set it to blank) for the item of the second record and reindex zebra, the location disappears and I get nothing in the location cell 14:48 cait i think i have to pass 14:48 cait it doesn't seem logical 14:49 cait you mean location/ branch? 14:50 cait are we talking about the missing item frm liberty that is not listed? 14:50 * cait might be a bit confused :) 14:51 Joubu cait: http://pro.test8.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl?q=d 14:51 Joubu there are 2 results 14:51 Joubu for the second one, the "location" column is empty 14:51 cait yes, the first one is also looking weird - it says 9 centerville, but there is also an item at liberty 14:51 wahanui okay, cait. 14:51 cait and that doesn't show either 14:52 Joubu hum yes, I didn't notice that... 14:52 Joubu so 2 bugs ? :-/ 14:53 Joubu cait: no, the "liberty" item is in transit 14:54 Joubu I suppose it is why it is not listed 14:54 cait this page is really confusing 14:55 cait i think i'd like to see a summary of the holdiings at all branches looking at that, but it seems to have some rules about what it shows 14:55 * cait better stays away from it 14:55 cait :) 14:56 gmcharlt good morning 14:57 cait hi gmcharlt :) 15:00 gmcharlt #startmeeting Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 1 15:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Jun 11 15:00:13 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_1' 15:00 gmcharlt #info Agenda is wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_11_June_2014 15:00 gmcharlt #topic Introductions 15:00 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 15:00 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 15:00 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, ESI 15:00 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 15:00 phasefx #info Jason Etheridge, ESI 15:01 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England 15:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 15:01 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Cordoba, Argentina 15:02 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre 15:02 gmcharlt ok, thanks 15:03 gmcharlt tcohen is not here, so I'll skip the RM 3.18 update 15:03 gmcharlt #topic Deprecate the OPAC prog theme officially 15:03 gmcharlt so, we have a proposal to update the coding guidelines to officially deprecate the prog theme 15:03 gmcharlt and by extension, CCSR 15:04 cait ah yes, good point, also ccsr :) 15:04 cait I think we already decided that we will do it, but we should also add a note to the coding guidelines 15:04 cait and maybe we should decide when we will remove the files? 15:05 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Proposed wording" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/39 15:05 cait +1 #wording 15:05 slef it'll take me a mo to open that 15:06 gmcharlt cait: IMO, ASAP 15:06 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett 15:06 gmcharlt and no new patches meant for master should touch those two themes 15:07 Joubu yes, I completely agree. Actually I think it is already the case. 15:07 slef welding seems OK 15:07 cait gmcharlt: I think the sooner the better too - it will help enforcing the coding guideline :) 15:07 gmcharlt Joubu: yeah, folks have already started with updating only Bootstrap 15:07 gmcharlt doesn't hurt to make it official 15:07 gmcharlt OK, any further comments on the wording before we vote? 15:08 cait I think by maintaining the coding guidelines better we make it easier for new developers not falling into traps 15:08 mtompset +1 # agreed on the nice wording 15:08 cait also people that have been out for a while or are not hanging around in irc all the time :) 15:08 gmcharlt *gasp* 15:08 Joubu There is a problem with the votes on paste.k-c.org, they won't be accessible in the future 15:08 gmcharlt is that possible?!?!? 15:08 gmcharlt ;) 15:08 Joubu But maybe should we c/p on the wiki after the meeting 15:08 gmcharlt Joubu: I'll update the wiki ASAP tonight, assume that the change is approved 15:09 Joubu +1 15:09 bgkriegel +1 15:09 slef 0 15:09 cait gmcharlt: keep the paste safe somewhere? just in case rangi restarts the server 15:10 thd +0.5 15:10 gmcharlt #startvote Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Yes, No, Abstain 15:10 huginn Begin voting on: Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. 15:10 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 15:10 gmcharlt (note the paste.lisp.org version, which won't expire) 15:10 gmcharlt #vote Yes 15:10 oleonard #vote Yes 15:10 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, lurking ^^ 15:11 Joubu #vote Yes 15:11 slef #vote abstain 15:11 bgkriegel #vote Yes 15:11 drojf #vote Yes 15:11 thd #vote Yes 15:11 phasefx #vote abstain 15:11 cait #vote yes 15:12 cait is it case sensitive? 15:12 cait #vote Yes 15:12 gmcharlt I don't think it is 15:12 * oleonard jails cait for voting twice 15:12 cait only the last vote counts - i read the instructions :) 15:12 thd #comment Do not like outsourcing to a project created by Twitter. 15:13 drojf we do that in europe ^^ 15:13 * gmcharlt rouses the Chicago zombie electorate 15:15 gmcharlt thd: it's licensed under the Apache License, and there's been no serious proposal to make any other way of having a responsive theme 15:15 gmcharlt one minute warning for closing the vote 15:16 gmcharlt #endvote 15:16 huginn Voted on "Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)?" Results are 15:16 huginn Yes (7): Joubu, cait, oleonard, gmcharlt, bgkriegel, thd, drojf 15:16 huginn Abstain (2): phasefx, slef 15:17 gmcharlt #agreed (pending confirmation) the coding guidelines will be updated per http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855 to discourage future patches from updating the prog and CCSR OPAC themes 15:17 thd gmcharlt: Yes, I know. I am not claiming a necessarily better alternatiive would be easily produced. 15:18 gmcharlt #topic UTF-8 Clean-up - Bug 11944 15:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 15:18 mtompset oleonard: She voted on my behalf? ;) 15:18 gmcharlt so where I'm at personally with this is I'm spending the next 1.5 weeks reviewing the patches 15:19 gmcharlt and working on some search issues that Joubu identified 15:19 Joubu \o/ 15:19 cait :) 15:19 Joubu gmcharlt++ 15:19 cait Joubu++ and gmcharlt++ 15:19 gmcharlt my goal is to (1) get it ready for signoff by the end of the month 15:19 cait let us know if there is help needed testing 15:19 cait i really want to see this patch series go in soon... and then we can move on to the next big problem :) 15:19 gmcharlt and schedule a GBSD in early July for as an opportunity for folks to run it throug its paces 15:20 gmcharlt at some point, I will be calling for volunteers (possibly including ESI) to host a test database or two 15:20 gmcharlt Joubu: and apropos of that, as far as the sandboxes are concerned, I anticipate at least one addition that may be relevant 15:21 Joubu gmcharlt: I can add the patches on 1 or 2 sandboxes. But I don't have a good DB to test 15:21 gmcharlt specifically, changing the default collation used by Koha MySQL database to utf8_unicode_ci 15:22 gmcharlt Joubu: see the last couple comments in bug 11811 for context on that 15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11811 major, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , tools/import_borrowers.pl doesn't support utf-8 encoded CSV 15:22 Joubu gmcharlt: ok, I note that 15:22 gmcharlt #action gmcharlt to review the patches and ready theme for signoff by end of June 15:23 gmcharlt #action gmcharlt to schedule a GBSD in early July for general testing 15:23 Joubu #action Joubu change the default collation to utf8_unicode_ci on sandboxes 15:23 thd *++ 15:23 Joubu #action Joubu take a look at bug 11811 15:24 cait :) 15:24 gmcharlt any other comments on the UTF8 stuff before we move on? 15:25 bgkriegel possibility to backport to 3.16, 3.14...? (when it's ready) 15:25 Joubu I think we are close to have a good utf8 support into Koha :) 15:25 gmcharlt bgkriegel: maybe; I'm not sure at the moment 15:26 Joubu bgkriegel: outch... 15:26 bgkriegel Ok 15:26 thd Joubu: Yes, except that some of the problem is a regression from where we had already been. 15:27 mtompset Has any testing been added to prevent this type of regression again? 15:27 gmcharlt mtompset: I think you can rest assure that I'm not going to sign off without making sure that there's sufficient regressions tests 15:28 * cait likes regression tests :) 15:28 Joubu Currently there is no tests 15:28 thd Joubu: We will have good UTF-8 support when UTF-8 is the native character encoding for the multiverse. 15:28 mtompset And that was the problem. :) 15:28 gmcharlt Joubu: indeed; I fully expect to write a bunch 15:28 Joubu But look at the patches 15:28 mtompset Good to hear it will be rectified. 15:28 Joubu when you look at the code after the patches, you understand it is the way to do 15:29 cait i think it will put us in a cleaner state of things hopefully 15:29 Joubu the code is much more easy, no decode/encode everywhere 15:29 Joubu and the unit tests are not easy to write since the problem does not exist in a specific routine 15:30 gmcharlt nonetheless, /me will write tests :) 15:30 gmcharlt ok, moving on 15:30 gmcharlt #topic Big stuff we are working on 15:30 gmcharlt so, to get us started 15:31 gmcharlt Joubu: what big stuff is BibLibre working on nowadays? 15:31 Joubu Hum, not really. We have some big stuffs, already submitted on bz 15:32 Joubu we plan to rewrite the ACQ vat/gst management 15:32 Joubu Laurence wrote a rfc, in french at the moment 15:32 Joubu no code will be written without communication and feedback on this rfc 15:33 gmcharlt is there a link to the French version of the RFC? 15:33 Joubu no 15:33 cait Joubu: cool :) it would be good i think to get some different countries involved, i think france and germany are probably similar 15:34 cait but i seem to remember that nz/hlt had some different expectations 15:34 cait would be good to get this settled and have everyone on the same page on how it shoudl work 15:35 Joubu yes, that why we need to communicate before writing any code 15:35 Joubu Same in Italy with talljoy 15:35 Joubu And I really need to see the batch modification for biblios (and all fixes for marc modification template) tested. It a very big work, very powerful. And that fixes critical problems with the existing feature. 15:35 thd cait: NZ/HLT had standard expectations which were not different to what anyone anywhere who actually worked in a real world acquisitions process would expect. 15:35 mtompset bug report number, Joubu? 15:36 cait thd: i didn't mean to imply that their expectations weren't correct 15:36 talljoy did i transport to italy? 15:36 talljoy i wish i was in italy.... 15:36 talljoy :-) 15:36 cait i think it just works differently in different countries - and it's good to communicate 15:36 cait so we don't miss something important redoing it 15:36 Joubu bugs 11413, 11319 and 11395 15:36 gmcharlt and that includes hearing from the folks actually involved 15:36 gmcharlt fortunately, that's why we have a second part of this meeting :) 15:37 thd cait: rangi had once implied in error that NZ had special expectations which were not in fact special. 15:37 Joubu talljoy: Sorry, I think you were Zeno :) 15:37 talljoy :-D 15:38 gmcharlt thd: I think we can wait for rangi to provide input directly 15:38 cait Joubu: thx a lot for taking this on :) 15:38 thd gmcharlt: I am merely identifying the issue historically as a reminder. 15:39 mtompset 11395 looks like something I may try to get around to testing. 15:39 Joubu The RFC looks complex, so I think all cases are possibles :) 15:39 gmcharlt #info A project to revamp tax calculation in acquisitions is being considered by BibLibre; an RFC will be published 15:39 gmcharlt ok, any other big projects? 15:40 Joubu mtompset: yes, bug 11395 is the sexy one. The others one are important too, they fixes some important issues 15:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Batch modifications for records 15:40 thd Joubu: I believe that BibLibre would not be proposing something counter to what rangi had once identified as how acquisitions would be expected to work in NZ. 15:41 cait so other big projects? :) 15:41 Joubu gmcharlt: I think the column configuration for tables should be pushed soon, in order to adapt enough table before the 3.18 release 15:41 thd Joubu: If you consult with people who do a real world acquisitions job, even without computer automation you will avoid going astray :) 15:42 Joubu bug 10212 15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Columns configuration for tables 15:42 cait Joubu: i am currently working through the patron search improvements, i hope to tackle that next (if noone else is faster :) ) 15:42 gmcharlt thd: and I think that point needs to be emphasized - we need folks who are *actually* dealing with the relevant tax processes in each country to provide input directly 15:42 gmcharlt with as few proxies as possible 15:42 gmcharlt Joubu: I'll take a look 15:43 Joubu thd: not sure to understand. rangi is starting to develop something? 15:44 thd Joubu: no, my comment merely refers to what had been a problem with some development from long ago. 15:44 Joubu I think the discussion around a gst rewrite could be started after we will suggest a rfc 15:44 gmcharlt agreed 15:44 thd Joubu: My comment was historical. 15:45 thd gmcharlt++ 15:45 Joubu the idea is not to break anything, just understand the code. I develop the multi VAT management, I don't understand anything at the code... And I'm sorry about that. 15:45 Joubu my first big dev on Koha... 15:45 cait :) 15:46 cait always remember quote 123... it#s hard to keep up with libraries and their ideas :) 15:46 gmcharlt @quote get 123 15:46 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 15:46 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 15:46 Joubu :) 15:46 gmcharlt ok, moving on 15:46 gmcharlt re action items from the previosu meeting 15:46 Joubu nobody else has "big stuffs" ? 15:47 gmcharlt basically, they concerned the UTF8 stuff and are underway 15:47 thd Joubu: If you understand the task that the code performs or should perform even without understanding the existing code, then you are way ahead :) 15:47 mtompset Actually... 15:47 cait bag khall ping 15:47 mtompset I don't have a project I'm working on... but what about the random test failure problem because of hashes? 15:47 cait i have to leave - bye all :) 15:48 mtompset Bye, cait. 15:48 gmcharlt mtompset: tcohen and I have been kicking it around 15:48 gmcharlt nothing to reprot yet, but soonish hopefully 15:48 mtompset Okay. Just thought I'd ask about it. :) 15:48 Joubu I QAed a patch this morning about random hashes 15:49 Joubu bug 12343 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12343 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Passed QA , TransformKohaToMarc() is adding MARC subfields in random order 15:50 gmcharlt Joubu++ 15:50 Joubu mtompset: Is it the same thing you are talking about? 15:50 gmcharlt different one, with QueryParser 15:50 Joubu Ho yes! I forgot that 15:50 mtompset No, I was thinking the QueryParser one. 15:50 Joubu I had a look but looks quite complex 15:52 gmcharlt as far as setting the next meeting time is concerned, I propose that we punt that to koha-devel for a time when tcohen is back home 15:52 Joubu yep 15:53 gmcharlt ok 15:53 gmcharlt thanks, everybody 15:54 gmcharlt #endmeeting 15:54 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jun 11 15:54:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 15:54 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_1.2014-06-11-15.00.html 15:54 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_1.2014-06-11-15.00.txt 15:54 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_1.2014-06-11-15.00.log.html 15:54 Joubu For information, Yohann started to write patches :) see bug 12406 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12406 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Needs Signoff , Adding a column maxsuspensiondays in the table issuingrules breaks the UT t/db_dependent/Circulation_Issuingrule.t 15:55 Joubu He has fixed a bug I introduced. An intern is very useful :p 15:55 gmcharlt heh 15:56 thd Joubu: Was it rangi's patch for bug #12343 which you were testing? 15:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12343 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Passed QA , TransformKohaToMarc() is adding MARC subfields in random order 15:58 Joubu thd: there is not patch from rangi on 12343 15:59 thd Joubu: Oh, I see now that maybe rangi was also testing. 16:00 thd Joubu, Is the patch working by sorting on the keys using the standard alphanumeric sort function? 16:00 Joubu thd: yes 16:01 Joubu Have to leave. Bye all 16:01 thd Joubu: While that would be a great improvement on random it would still be wrong. 16:01 thd Joubu: I will comment on the bug later. 16:40 reiveune bye 18:49 mtompset gmcharlt: I prefer using the shorter URL -- http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 20:55 cbrannon Anyone here familiar with the Koha sandboxes? 20:56 cait where ar you stuck? 20:57 cbrannon If I am loading a patch and it throws up errors, do I just post the error in the bugzilla ticket, or do I set to Failed QA? 20:57 cait hm 20:57 cait it depends a bit on the error 20:57 cait pasting it is ok 20:57 cait i think i would put patch does not apply 20:57 cait it's another status 20:58 cbrannon I run into this once in a while, but never knew exactly what to do. I'll do that status. Thanks. :) 21:59 gmcharlt meeting in one minute 22:00 * cait gets ready 22:01 gmcharlt #startmeeting Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 2 22:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Jun 11 22:01:03 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_2' 22:01 gmcharlt #info Agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_11_June_2014 22:01 gmcharlt #topic Introductions 22:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 22:01 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, ESI 22:01 eythian_ #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ 22:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 22:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 22:03 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst NZ 22:03 * thd is merely semi-present 22:04 gmcharlt ok 22:04 gmcharlt in tcohen's absence, we'll skip the RM 3.18 update 22:04 gmcharlt #topic Deprecate the OPAC prog theme officially 22:04 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst NZ 22:04 gmcharlt #info Current proposal for wording in the coding guidelines: (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855 22:05 gmcharlt this was voted on in the first meet 22:05 gmcharlt ing 22:05 gmcharlt any questions, comments, or other feedback before we vote on it here? 22:06 wizzyrea besides, "good riddance?" 22:06 gmcharlt (no! we must keep at the historical dead things!) 22:06 gmcharlt ;) 22:07 gmcharlt #startvote Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Yes, No, Abstain 22:07 huginn Begin voting on: Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. 22:07 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 22:07 eythian_ #vote yes 22:07 cait i was at the first meeting, so I won't vote again 22:07 wizzyrea #vote yes 22:07 rangi #vote yes 22:07 thd wizzyrea: The grass is always greener elsewhere until you have discovered all the difficulties of digesting especially green grass :) 22:08 mtompset #vote yes. 22:08 huginn mtompset: yes. is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Abstain. 22:08 mtompset #vote yes 22:08 wizzyrea that grass is pretty much dead. 22:08 mtompset (since I didn't get inthe first meeting. ;) ) 22:08 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett 22:08 gmcharlt one minute too vote closing 22:08 * thd already voted yes with concerns about even free software projects originating at Twitter. 22:10 gmcharlt #endvote 22:10 huginn Voted on "Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)?" Results are 22:10 huginn Yes (4): eythian_, wizzyrea, rangi, mtompset 22:10 gmcharlt #agreed the coding guidelines will be updated per http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855 to discourage future patches from updating the prog and CCSR OPAC themes 22:11 gmcharlt #topic UTF-8 Clean-up - Bug 11944 22:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 22:11 gmcharlt #info (from part 1) gmcharlt has action items to review patches and redy them for signoff by end of June 22:12 gmcharlt #info also action item to schedule a GBSD dedicated to it in early July 22:12 gmcharlt #info Joubu has action item to look at bug 11811 and look at adjusting on or more sandboxes to use the utf8_unicode_ci collation in their mysql databases 22:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11811 major, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , tools/import_borrowers.pl doesn't support utf-8 encoded CSV 22:12 gmcharlt needless to say, anybody else who wants to join in patch review is very much welcome to 22:14 gmcharlt any comments before we move on? 22:14 cait apart from patch review i think there are some remaining problems 22:15 rangi ? 22:15 cait hm, trying to phrase that better 22:15 thd cait: Do you mean problems within the scope of the bug but out of scope for the existing patches? 22:15 cait there are some known issues still that need to be solved in the patch series 22:16 gmcharlt right, Joubu had identified a couple issues in the bug that he wants some help writing patches for 22:16 gmcharlt I'll undertake them as part of my review, but again, more eyes welecome 22:16 cait yes, thx gmcharlt 22:16 gmcharlt welcome, even 22:16 cait and thx again for working on those :) 22:16 thd *++ 22:17 gmcharlt ok, moving on 22:17 gmcharlt #topic Big stuff we are working on 22:17 gmcharlt #info BibLibre is working on an RFC for revamping how taxes are handled in acquisitions 22:17 wizzyrea biblibre++ 22:18 rangi im working on the mulitple bookcovers dev, that you would have seen kathryns email about, its not that big, should have something to submit in a couple of weeks 22:18 gmcharlt since the IRS's grand scheme to TAX THE WHOLE WORLD is not quite complete... feedback from everybody is essential 22:18 gmcharlt to ensure that the outcome works well enough for everybody 22:18 thd Did I understand that the BibLibre acquisitions RFC is awaiting more work before publishing it in English? 22:19 * eythian is no longer busmeeting. 22:19 gmcharlt that's my understanding 22:19 gmcharlt or at the very least, they're working on translating it 22:20 gmcharlt #info rangi is working on support for multiple sources of book covers 22:20 gmcharlt eythian: how is ES coming along? 22:21 eythian gmcharlt: quite well. Implementing all that's on the advanced search page is almost done (availability is slightly tricky for unexciting reasons.) 22:21 eythian Still figuring out how to do the browse interface stuff, but have some leads on that. 22:21 gmcharlt cool 22:21 gmcharlt any other projecst? 22:21 eythian I'm hoping to put patches up for testing reasonably soon 22:21 thd rangi: Do you mean multiple live sources? 22:21 pianohacker Oh right dev meeting 22:21 eythian very alpha testing. 22:22 wizzyrea defining availability has always been a question. 22:22 thd rangi: Or is there a bug blocking the use of stored images for book covers? 22:23 pianohacker Have rancor updates 22:23 gmcharlt pianohacker: go for it 22:23 rangi thd: multiple sources including local covers, but with fallback 22:23 rangi so you define the order, and it tries them until it gets one that has an image (or fails on all) 22:23 pianohacker Rancor has several bugfixes and a new metasearch backend that does not depend on pazpar2 22:23 wizzyrea oooo 22:24 cait pianohacker: what are you using instead? 22:24 pianohacker Needs to be refactored a bit, and the results have to be refetched for each page load, but it supports sorting and pagination 22:24 pianohacker Also needs relevance ranking at some point 22:25 pianohacker cait: Just ZOOM, all of the record fetching and sorting is done in Koha now 22:25 pianohacker seems to be about the same speed as pazpar2, and works more consistently 22:25 cait is that an option for opac too? 22:26 pianohacker cait: Possibly :) 22:26 pianohacker guessing you're thinking for bug 10486? 22:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC 22:26 cait of course :) 22:27 gmcharlt #info prog/CCSR deprecation now the HTML5 guideline: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#HTML5:_Deprecation_of_the_.27prog.27_and_.27CCSR.27_OPAC_themes 22:27 pianohacker I'd definitely want some kind of results caching before I put it on an OPAC, and I'm not sure of the best way to do that 22:27 gmcharlt pianohacker: time for you to investigate Koha::Cache 22:28 eythian especially my new+improved version (I can't remember if it's in master yet or not) 22:28 pianohacker gmcharlt: That was my thought, my major question was value size limits, though 22:28 eythian oh, it's not it needs someone to poke bug 12041 22:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12041 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Improve Koha::Cache 22:30 pianohacker If I do the straightforward thing and shove the entire result set in as a MARC blob, it comes out to roughly 250 KB for the 100-record fetch I'm currently doing. This only really works for Memcached, though, and if servers send back a ton of huge records my impression is that the key storage silently fails 22:30 pianohacker Not a terrible thing but I was curious if there's a better way 22:31 eythian probablyu worth describing it in detail on a koha-devel post 22:31 eythian get more eyes that way 22:31 gmcharlt yeah 22:31 pianohacker Seems like a good idea 22:31 gmcharlt any other topics? 22:32 eythian yeah 22:32 rangi i have a couple that id like to run past people, not strictly dev, but related 22:32 rangi first there is 22:32 rangi http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2014/05/23/vals-semester-of-code-foss-projects-wanted/ 22:32 eythian just a note that there's a series of plack patches around that people could look at if they want something to do. 22:32 eythian For staff client plack support. 22:33 thd Can the result set records be quickly stored in some temporary database storage if the result set is unexpectedly large but not egregiously large. 22:33 cait i think we have some areas were testing/qa gets into a bottleneck 22:33 eythian Some are in master now, but there are some that aren't. 22:33 cait sip, caching, ldap 22:33 thd ? 22:33 cait so if someone feels able to test in that areas, please go for it 22:33 pianohacker thd: that's a possibility 22:34 eythian cait: perhaps someone who knows them should write up testing guides on the wiki? 22:34 cait well not me then... i have done a bit of sip, but no ldap and caching so far :( 22:34 cait i'd like to use one of those tesitng guides 22:35 eythian caching is actually pretty easy, ldap is less so. 22:35 cait rangi: reading 22:35 gmcharlt rangi: the VALS SoC looks interesting; my main comment is that if we want to do it, we should line up several commitments for mentors first 22:35 rangi yep 22:35 cait it sounds interesting 22:37 gmcharlt rangi: and the other thing you wanted to bring up? 22:37 rangi ah yep 22:37 rangi http://paste.koha-community.org/40 22:37 rangi really really rough draft 22:37 rangi for 22:38 rangi https://linux.conf.au/miniconf-cfp 22:38 gmcharlt #info rangi mentioned the VALS summer of code (http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2014/05/23/vals-semester-of-code-foss-projects-wanted/) as a possible project for Koha to cnosider 22:38 rangi but if it does get accepted i will be trying to get some people from koha to be speakers 22:38 rangi as well as evergreen, islandora, et al 22:39 cait cool 22:39 eythian so if anyone feels like a trip to wherever the next LCA is... :) 22:39 rangi auckland nz 22:39 gmcharlt #info rangi is proposing a cultural hertiage and FLOSS miniconference for the lca2015 in Auckland (https://linux.conf.au/) 22:40 cait oooh... 22:40 eythian oh, that's boring 22:40 wizzyrea way not as cool as wellington. 22:40 gmcharlt heh 22:40 wizzyrea HAR 22:40 wizzyrea :) 22:40 cait true 22:40 pianohacker eythian: couple small questions about the new Koha::Cache module after da meeting 22:40 eythian sure 22:41 gmcharlt thanks, rangi 22:42 rangi thats all i have 22:42 gmcharlt regarding setting a date for the next meeting, I suggest we wait for when tcohen is back home 22:42 rangi sounds good 22:43 gmcharlt ok 22:43 gmcharlt thanks everybody 22:43 gmcharlt #endmeeting 22:43 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jun 11 22:43:45 2014 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 22:43 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_2.2014-06-11-22.01.html 22:43 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_2.2014-06-11-22.01.txt 22:43 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_2.2014-06-11-22.01.log.html 22:44 cait gmcharlt++ 22:44 wizzyrea thanks gmcharlt 22:46 pianohacker eythian: my two questions were: a) if fastmmap isn't an option due to not supporting expiry, are we removing it permanently? and b) out of curiosity, why the switch to Cache::Memcached? 22:47 eythian pianohacker: iirc, I removed it from the default options, but you can still request it yourself if you're OK with managing it. 22:48 eythian b) I don't think there was a switch to Cache::Memcached 22:48 eythian make sure you're looking at the latest patches 22:49 eythian I think I used it originally because it supported something I wanted to support, but turned out not to be UTF-8 clean. 22:49 eythian so switched back and implemented the support for the other thing (default expiry, IIRC) myself. 22:51 eythian brb, getting breakfast 22:55 eythian b 23:02 cait quick brakfast - coffee? 23:02 cait good night all 23:03 pianohacker eythian: ahh, missed that that was a regex. Makes sense :) 23:09 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.