Time  Nick          Message
23:33 dcook         Dang, Rijksmuseum library looks awesome
23:15 JoeLib001     Bye for now. :-)
23:14 JoeLib001     Thanks for the help nengard and cait. :-) I would send you both cookies, but they don't seem to fit in my ethernet cable. XD
23:09 wahanui       https://24.media.tumblr.com/2ba977a3af9f7c77467fde4e953e0c8c/tumblr_n1gbtmErR01r33ieuo1_400.gif
23:09 wizzyrea      troutslap?
23:09 wizzyrea      troutslap is <reply> https://24.media.tumblr.com/2ba977a3af9f7c77467fde4e953e0c8c/tumblr_n1gbtmErR01r33ieuo1_400.gif
22:30 wizzyrea      ...that is awesome
22:27 eythian       https://plus.google.com/u/0/+andrewmcmillan/posts/8a7oUic3tib <-- Rijksmuseum library
22:19 cait          hi eythian :)
22:18 wahanui       niihau, eythian
22:18 eythian       hi
21:52 pianohacker   oh right it's like 11 there now
21:52 cait          i was running off finding dinner :)
21:52 pianohacker   was running off to the gym
21:52 cait          wb pianohacker :)
21:52 pianohacker   hi cait :)
21:51 cait          i translated it mostly to order ... but it seems they keep coming back
21:51 cait          true
21:50 wizzyrea      I hate this terminology.
21:50 cait          hm?
21:48 wizzyrea      also ... baskets.
21:26 cait          pending = closed baskets
21:25 cait          so new = ordrs in non-closed baskets
21:25 cait          ah, maybe they renamed it to pending
21:25 nengard       i see 'new', 'pending', partially received, received, cnacelled
21:25 cait          one sec
21:25 cait          you can search ordered
21:25 nengard       you can't search by ordered now ... do you mean 'pending'
21:24 cait          and for claiming i think you needed to close it for some versions now
21:24 cait          for example you can't search for 'ordered' orders
21:24 cait          ifyou don't close it, the whole status system doesn't work
21:10 nengard       cause they didn't have to
21:10 nengard       I've been telling librarians they don't have to close the basket
21:07 cait          you could do it with sql i think
21:07 cait          we have been tellling libraries to close the baskets for some time now.. .i hope they do
21:06 cait          oh hm
21:04 JoeLib001     Somewhere between 3.14.? and 3.16 that was "fixed". XD
21:03 JoeLib001     I did the receive process, but it never needed a closed basket to receive it. ;-)
20:38 cait          how did that happen? you never did the receive process?
20:38 cait          oh
20:33 JoeLib001     Now, I just need to close 2 years worth of baskets and we'll be golden..... XD
20:33 JoeLib001     Thanks. :-)
20:24 cait          closed = ordered :)
20:24 JoeLib001     They are showing up to be received on my invoice now.
20:23 JoeLib001     The step I was overlooking was the closing the basket in Koha.
20:23 JoeLib001     Ah, yes, the receive shipment button.
20:22 cait          search for thevendor - there is a button
20:22 JoeLib001     New Shipment?
20:21 JoeLib001     I have never done that until now...
20:21 cait          also, you need to add a 'new shipment'  from the vendor - that will create a new invoice
20:20 JoeLib001     Oh...
20:19 cait          JoeLib001: if you want to receive - you have to make sure that you have closed the basket
20:19 JoeLib001     I am trying to receive orders on my invoice, but none of them show up.
20:19 nengard       a pending order is in a basket
20:19 nengard       cause an invoice is for a finalized order ... not a pending order
20:18 JoeLib001     Anyone know much about Acquisitions? I haven't been able to figure out why the invoices are not listing any pending orders.
20:11 cait          pianohacker: sorry i ran away - cya soon :)
20:02 pianohacker   have a good evening!
20:02 pianohacker   cait: sorry, heading out, bbl
20:02 pianohacker   cait: Son las diez de la noche menos trece?
20:02 pianohacker   I'm not sure where that part goes
20:01 cait          our examples in the book are not 24 hour time
20:01 cait          hm i think i could have added something about it being at night...
20:00 pianohacker   cait: Son las veintidos menos trece?
19:59 pianohacker   cait, hmm, not sure how this works with 24 hour time
19:48 cait          21:47 here
19:47 cait          i said 'in theory' heh
19:47 cait          trece...?
19:47 cait          son las diez menos 13?
19:46 cait          hmm
19:46 pianohacker   cait: ¿Qué hora es?
19:46 pianohacker   cait: woo!
19:34 cait          pianohacker: learned how to say the time in spanish today :) (well in theory at least)
19:33 cait          heh
19:32 * pianohacker tilde's
19:31 magnuse       ~~~~~
19:28 * dbs         waves
19:25 * magnuse     waves
19:15 * cait        waves
18:09 pianohacker   I also need to check with him that my patch works, since I can't seem to get the debian packages to build
18:08 pianohacker   sounds like a good idea, I'll talk to eythian about it
18:07 gmcharlt      yeah
18:07 pianohacker   add the overdrive-deps package to the Suggest: list or something
18:07 pianohacker   yeah, makes sense
18:07 gmcharlt      right
18:07 pianohacker   gmcharlt: to avoid adding dependencies on a minor version update?
18:06 gmcharlt      that gets removed when 3.18 is relased
18:06 gmcharlt      2. build a metapackage called koha-overdrive-support-deps or the like
18:06 gmcharlt      or
18:06 gmcharlt      1. bite the bullet and force add the deps when 3.16.1 is packaged (we'd need to check with eythian about that)
18:06 gmcharlt      pianohacker: two thoughts
18:06 barton        13:00:42-10/06 zebrasrv(3276) [warn] ir_session (exception)
18:06 oleonard      pianohacker: You kiss your mother with that mouth?
18:06 barton        I'm seeing the following, popping up every few seconds:
18:05 barton        I've got a quick question about zebra output logs...
18:05 pianohacker   *io-socket-ssl-perl
18:05 pianohacker   gmcharlt: liblwp-protocol-https-perl | libwww-perl (<6.02), libio-socket-perl
17:59 JoeLib001     The odd thing is that it still doesn't work, if I create a new order.
17:58 JoeLib001     Thanks. :-)
17:55 talljoy       good luck joe!
17:55 talljoy       or my favorite....create a dummy order to see what that looks like in the db and see how it's different from your other records. ;-)
17:54 talljoy       but i suspect there was some db change in between 3.14 and 316 and the new acq is looking for something you don't have perhaps?  did you check updatedatabase to see if anything changed at the db level?
17:54 talljoy       curious.  acq is not one of my strongest areas.
17:51 JoeLib001     I found the bit of code that spits out a list of pending orders, created a MySQL Report, and ran that. That actually shows what it should, so I have no idea what's broken. ;-)
17:49 JoeLib001     In Acquisitons when I create an invoice, I should receive a list of pending orders, so I can receive them on the invoice. Nothing shows up.
17:47 talljoy       pending orders?  i.e. notforloan status is -1 or somesuch?
17:45 JoeLib001     The only thing I have done is switch to 3.16 from 3.14 and I can't find anything that should have broken it. XD
17:45 JoeLib001     Which is driving me crazy.
17:45 JoeLib001     I am dealing with an issue where I can't see any Pending Orders.
17:44 JoeLib001     From what I understand, you would be restarting the services, which would take them down for a short period of time. It's just the way things work.
17:43 barton        right there with you talljoy.
17:43 barton        thanks JoeLib. That was going to be my guess as well.
17:43 talljoy       okay.  i'm hesitant to pull a large library down due to my ignorance.  ;-)
17:42 JoeLib001     I would guess that it would cause service disruption. Shouldn't cause it to be down for long though.
17:41 talljoy       Good afternoon!
17:41 JoeLib001     Hello you. :-)
17:41 talljoy       got a quick package question.  will running sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart  cause any service disruption to libraries?  safe to do during the day?
17:41 talljoy       hi koha!
17:29 JoeLib001     Hello Everyone. :-) I am still having problems with my Pending Orders not showing up when I go to receive them. I just upgraded from 3.14.x to 3.16.
17:11 gmcharlt      pianohacker: what are the additional packages in question?
16:58 reiveune      bye
16:45 gaetan_B      bye!
15:14 gmcharlt      I'll take a look at the video
15:13 nengard       do you need more info on that?
15:13 nengard       you changed the status on that last year and then there were replies after your failing it
15:13 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10314 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , CanItemBeReserved does not respect the holds policies
15:13 nengard       bug 10314
15:13 gmcharlt      nengard: what's up?
15:12 nengard       gmcharlt around?
15:02 cait          adiós
15:02 cait          leaving for today - bye all
14:56 nengard       going to put this info on the bug report
14:56 nengard       Your 1 sentence was way better than the 6 I was going to write :) hehe
14:56 nengard       no it's okay!
14:56 cait          sorry :)
14:56 cait          ah ok :)
14:55 nengard       i'll stop typing the scenario :)
14:55 nengard       yes
14:55 cait          ah, so when the book needs to 'go back home' after return?
14:55 nengard       here's the scenario
14:55 cait          or is there a way to request a transfer without?
14:55 nengard       i mean a transfer
14:55 nengard       nope
14:55 cait          by transfer you mean a transfer caused by a hold?
14:55 nengard       transfers are not triggered still
14:54 nengard       i have confirmed this is the case on master and 3.14.x
14:54 nengard       right
14:54 nengard       cait it still doesn't trigger transfers
14:54 cait          i think maybe transfers are not caught
14:54 cait          so a return should not be possible in that case
14:54 cait          nengard: there shoudl be no check box now if the item is on hold
14:43 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3514 major, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions
14:43 nengard       found it
14:43 nengard       bug 3514
14:43 nengard       anyone remember if there is an existing bug report for the fact that the check in check boxes don't trigger holds or transfers? I know this is a long standing issue, just not sure how to find the bug report
14:34 huginn        druthb: The current temperature in West U, West University Place, Texas is 27.1°C (9:34 AM CDT on June 10, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
14:34 druthb        @wunder 77098
14:22 huginn        nengard: The current temperature in University Hills, Austin, Texas is 20.1°C (9:22 AM CDT on June 10, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
14:22 nengard       @wunder 78754
14:10 cait          gah.
14:10 huginn        cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 32.0°C (4:00 PM CEST on June 10, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
14:10 cait          @wunder Konstanz
13:53 rambutan      verbose vocalization. There, it's an adjective too.
13:45 oleonard      :)
13:45 oleonard      Quite right :0
13:42 slef          oleonard: ITYM English speakers love to verb everything ;)
13:41 oleonard      Ah yes English speakers love to make verbs out of everything!
13:41 Joubu         oleonard: haaa! I learnt a new word today, I didn't know that "press the tab key" could be used with the "to tab" verb :)
13:38 oleonard      Joubu: In the add/edit item form, place your cursor in any of the fields (barcode, call number, etc). Use the tab key to move to the next field. When you get to the end of the form the cursor jumps to the top of the page instead of selecting the "add item" button
13:35 cait          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_11_June_2014
13:35 cait          btw general reminder - we got a dev meeting tomorrow :)
13:35 Joubu         oleonard: what do you mean by "try tabbing through the add item form fields"?
13:34 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12380 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , can't tab to save buttons on add item
13:34 Joubu         oleonard: I tried to qa bug 12380 this morning but I didn't understand the problem
13:32 gaetan_B      bonjour
12:55 nengard       done
12:54 oleonard      I guess we all need to do a little more printing during testing
12:54 nengard       k
12:54 oleonard      Yes
12:53 nengard       you want a new bug for that?
12:53 nengard       the footer showing at the top
12:53 nengard       http://screencast.com/t/iztmgf6AIUG
12:52 nengard       nope
12:50 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Printing a page from bootstrap shows unnecessary links
12:50 oleonard      Bug 12260?
12:50 nengard       the credits are up at the top - i'll report separately
12:50 nengard       I did find a problem in master's print version though
12:50 nengard       so i guess we need that fixed on 3.14 if possible
12:50 nengard       owen okay it works in master
12:48 nengard       I did not ... i'll go do that now
12:48 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12073 minor, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , OPAC detail page printing show links URL
12:48 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12391 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , printable versions of opac showing all kinds of html
12:48 oleonard      nengard: Did you test Bug 12391 on master? Because it looks like Bug 12073
12:47 kivilahtio    I almost have a solution :)
12:47 kivilahtio    I dont understand that sp33k
12:46 Joubu         kivilahtio: you would have find it if you used bzsplitter ;)
12:46 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11317 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Needs Signoff , Add a way to access files from the intranet.
12:46 cait          bug 11317
12:44 cait          it's something we'd like to see too
12:43 cait          the plus side... there is a patch to rescue
12:42 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10477 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kohapatch, Failed QA , Increased flexibility for upload of Staged MARC records
12:42 cait          bug 10477
12:42 drojf         ^^
12:42 drojf         cait: a party \o/
12:41 cait          and you shoudl talk to ashimema :)
12:41 kivilahtio    cait: you shall have one :)
12:41 cait          there is also something for your problem with distributing files
12:41 cait          kivilahtio: i can dig it up if you give me a moment
12:41 cait          :)
12:41 cait          i was going to send a search party for you 1
12:40 drojf         hi cait :)
12:39 kivilahtio    cait: There is? Not findable with overlay search term
12:38 wahanui       hmmm... drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi!
12:38 cait          drojf!!!
12:38 cait          kivilahtio: overlay things... there is a bug for that in bugzilla
12:38 oleonard      Hi everyone
12:36 ashimema      hi cait
12:36 * cait        waves and reads back
12:32 kivilahtio    magnuse: I just heard that the radio is interviewing our library director about the incident
11:50 magnuse       kivilahtio: cool :-)
11:50 kivilahtio    *made it to the local news
11:49 kivilahtio    we actually made the local news :)
11:48 kivilahtio    magnuse: Tho I hope the titles are not larger, than when we migrated :)
11:48 kivilahtio    magnuse: which might lead more people into our library. I feel any publicity is good publicity for us :)
11:48 kivilahtio    magnuse: I think we might even end up in the local newspaper about that :)
11:47 kivilahtio    ofc it is rather nasty but there was no PR hit
11:47 kivilahtio    people are generally very understanding and we havent got much fuzz
11:47 kivilahtio    magnuse: I already fixed that and we contained the problem and all the PR mess :)
11:46 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12396 blocker, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , MTT FIX: Due notices (DUEDGST) are multiplicated and everybodys all ODUEDGST are sent to everyone who should receive them.
11:46 magnuse       kivilahtio: after bug 12396 has been fixed, i presume?
11:45 kivilahtio    + our modifications
11:45 kivilahtio    we are going to 3.16
11:44 kivilahtio    there are already some bugs, but no show stoppers
11:44 kivilahtio    actually we are running master from 2 months ago, but aiming to rebase asap
11:44 kivilahtio    erm yes
11:43 mtj           you are on 3.14.x, with bootstrap opac?
11:42 kivilahtio    apparently all works smoothly fomr the OPAC main page
11:42 kivilahtio    but this seems to be an issue for some safari's
11:42 kivilahtio    they are forwarded to their opac-details.pl from Liferay, and they are prompted to authneticate on the fly
11:41 kivilahtio    we have had issues with mac users with safari from accessing our OPAC
11:41 mtj           https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/module/download
11:40 mtj           its very quick to install, so worth a little play :)
11:38 mtj           ...around browsers caching old versions of css and js files, after upgrade
11:37 mtj           ...it seems to fix some common problems after koha upgrades, too
11:37 kivilahtio    thanks!
11:36 mtj           kivilahtio:  some interesting speed  stuff for koha   -> https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed
11:36 kivilahtio    mtj: That will nicely solve the authentication issue :)
11:36 kivilahtio    I mean a perl script which can authenticate
11:36 kivilahtio    nginx has perl authentication, I think it is a perl module which authenticates
11:35 mtj           meh, typical :/
11:35 kivilahtio    I dont wanna hack up a LDAP
11:35 kivilahtio    but apache2 md5 password hashing is not compatible with the mysql md5 hashing gaaaaahhh
11:35 kivilahtio    we have print notices and offline .koc files that need to be distributed, so having an apache2 indexed directory with mod_auth_dbd
11:34 kivilahtio    mtj: read a book about nginx last weekend, because got pretty frustrated to the apache2 limitations. It is pretty damn hard to authenticate our users with Koha credentials using apache2
11:33 kivilahtio    magnuse: I think I will reuse the matching rules somehow, lets see what I cook up :)
11:32 kivilahtio    magnuse: they can't work so I'll hack something up for them
11:32 kivilahtio    mtj: but it looks like plack for staff client is stil lin development
11:31 kivilahtio    mtj: Looking forward to changing to nginx + starman + plack
11:31 kivilahtio    mtj: pretty awesome
11:31 mtj           kivilahtio:  did you manage to find some good performance from your prod server?
11:30 drojf         hi mtj
11:30 mtj           hiya magnuse, kivilahtio, drojf
11:27 drojf         hi #koha
10:49 magnuse       kivilahtio: if i were you i'd send an email to the dev list and ask what others have thought about in this area
10:49 magnuse       maybe in relaton to the marc modification templates?
10:48 magnuse       but i think there have been some talk about it
10:48 magnuse       and i don't *think* there is anything that does what you want to do
10:47 magnuse       kivilahtio: yay for things running smoothly
10:17 kivilahtio    It is much less worse than I anticipated. Things are running quite smoothly
10:17 kivilahtio    BTW we are running week 2 of Koha in production :)
10:14 kivilahtio    magnuse: Any ideas if there is some feature I am overlooking?
10:14 kivilahtio    so you could select the matching rule and an overlay rule
10:13 kivilahtio    I am looking to make an improvement on that based on the matching rules, as that seems to provide the GUI needed.
10:13 kivilahtio    so we stage import a record which overlays an existing record, and we lost some fields we dont want to lose
10:12 kivilahtio    magnuse: Do you have any idea if there is some functiomnality to do with overlaying Marc records? Specifically we have an issue with getting slim MARC records from our bookvendor and fully catalogued MARC records from our bibliographic cataloguing company. The full records don't have 856 and overwrite the bookvendor 856 field.
10:11 kivilahtio    ki ora magnuse
10:11 magnuse       kia ora kivilahtio
09:34 nc-th         I am using Koha 3.14. I have a question about RLIST. Please correct me if I am wrong. If I have 2 users in the RLIST for a serial, once the Library staff receives the new issue and catalogs, the first user in the RLIST will receive a notification email. Then after the first user returns the serial, the system will generate another notification email to the second user. Is that right?
08:44 mveron        Joubu: Ok  :-)
08:36 Joubu         mveron: I keep my token for the QA step ;)
08:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12266 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , The z39.50 authority search to create new auth record works randomly
08:19 * mveron      is in search for somebody to sign-off bug 12266 (z39.50 authority search broken)
08:17 mveron        Hi #koha
08:10 jseplae       Hello all - a Koha-newbie here! I'm doing an internship involving, among other things, Koha-development. I've been working on some usability-improvements for the cataloguing/additem -view that are currently organization-spesific - is there a need for a generalized way to automatically fill the available SigNum form fields (for example)?
08:08 paxed         (wasn't that tested properly?)
08:03 paxed         fun fun fun.
07:44 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12396 blocker, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , MTT FIX: Due notices (DUEDGST) are multiplicated and everybodys all ODUEDGST are sent to everyone who should receive them.
07:44 Joubu         Can someone please test bug 12396? This should be pushed asap
07:43 Joubu         hello
07:19 dcook         eythian++
07:19 dcook         night!
07:19 dcook         Yeah, I would want subject:["AAA","BBB","CCC"]. subject:[["AAA"],["BBB"],["CCC"]] is weird...but...I guess so long as it works?
07:18 eythian       later all
07:18 * eythian     is outta here
07:15 eythian       now I get subject:[["AAA"],["BBB"],["CCC"]] which is weird but works fine.
07:15 eythian       oh, it was taking 650aAAA$vBBB$vCCC and giving me subject:["AAA", "BBBCCC"], where I wanted subject:["AAA","BBB","CCC"]
07:13 dcook         ?
07:13 eythian       at the moment I'm generating them from a database.
07:13 dcook         Not sure I followed what was going on with those repeated subfields
07:13 eythian       ah yep
07:13 dcook         I saw some of your perl4lib emails. It looks...interesting
07:12 eythian       catmandu (what converts MARC to elasticsearch) has a mapping language. It's fairly limited, but functional enough.
07:12 dcook         Checking the leader before putting data in an index and such
07:12 eythian       yeah
07:11 eythian       oh
07:11 eythian       in what sense?
07:11 dcook         GRS-1...*shudders*
07:11 dcook         We totally could do content better with DOM btw...
07:11 dcook         Rest well, eythian ;)
07:11 eythian       I'll do that tomorrow. Now I should leave.
07:10 eythian       hmm, I'm going to have to do some fancy mapping stuff to deal with onloan, so that it sets it to, say, '0' if it's not onloan so that it can be searched.
07:07 wahanui       http://marc-must-die.info/
07:07 magnuse       MARC must die!
07:07 dcook         Mmm then again...maybe not
07:06 dcook         Probably could do it much nicer in DOM...
07:05 dcook         I suppose it's probably an accurate assumption, but it's...icky
07:05 dcook         Yeah, these mappings bank on people having mostly book collectinos
07:03 dcook         Agreed
07:03 eythian       The way MARC does all that is terribly stupid.
07:03 eythian       I dunno, probably quite a few.
07:02 * dcook       wonders how many false positives come up with it
07:02 dcook         These content limits are weird...although I get the idea..
07:02 dcook         I like that
07:02 dcook         hehe
07:01 eythian       it's a fauxcet
07:00 * dcook       was wondering about the available "facet" as well
07:00 dcook         Huh...interesting
07:00 eythian       I wonder if that works
07:00 eythian       'query' => '(_all:book) AND NOT onloan'
06:59 eythian       it's down the bottom of the advanced search
06:58 dcook         Hmm, I've never encountered it. Weird.
06:58 eythian       so it'll be doing the same as zebra
06:58 eythian       though, it maps into ccl
06:58 eythian       It'll be a bit dodgy. It's a minor thing for a future time.
06:57 dcook         Since that's dependent on leader values
06:57 dcook         That seems a bit dodgy :/
06:57 eythian       24-27
06:57 dcook         I was about to say..:p
06:57 eythian       somewhere around there anyway
06:57 eythian       no wait
06:57 eythian       008/22
06:57 dcook         Which part of MARC?
06:55 eythian       it's a MARC thing
06:55 dcook         eythian: content type?
06:55 huginn        dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 17.0°C (4:30 PM EST on June 10, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
06:55 dcook         @wunder sydney, australia
06:55 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on June 10, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
06:55 * dcook       waves to alex_a and ashimema
06:55 magnuse       @wunder boo
06:55 ashimema      morning #koha
06:55 alex_a        bonjour
06:54 * magnuse     waves
06:46 cait          bye all
06:46 cait          ok, now I have to run...
06:43 eythian       oh, content type already works, that's nice of it.
06:42 wahanui       bonjour, reiveune
06:42 reiveune      hello
06:41 eythian       oh, libraries and location too. I missed those.
06:41 dcook         Some sense
06:41 dcook         Well...
06:40 dcook         For sure
06:40 eythian       I suppose that makes some sense.
06:40 * dcook       just saw it in an instance
06:40 eythian       oh right
06:40 dcook         That's a bit different
06:40 dcook         Uniform title
06:40 dcook         Ahhh
06:40 eythian       whether they're actually generated is a different matter.
06:40 dcook         Weiiird
06:40 eythian       it's in opac-facets.tt
06:40 dcook         Titles? Is that done currently?
06:40 eythian       I'm not sold on the idea of faceting titles.
06:39 dcook         I think I have one PDF form and one application to do...then to finish the online form...then that's it!
06:39 eythian       so, authors, titles (which is an odd one really), topics, places, series, item types.
06:39 dcook         Btw, police check sent!
06:39 dcook         Mmm, fair enough
06:39 dcook         Although itype can be a lot more useful than record type I think
06:38 eythian       I'm not doing anything that's not already done by zebra at this stage, so it doesn't require changes to opac-results.tt
06:38 dcook         Maybe record type as well...
06:38 cait          year, places, language yep
06:38 wahanui       language is filed letter by letter word by word
06:38 dcook         And language..
06:38 cait          and also... the aftermath of library conf to deal with...
06:38 dcook         Year would be rad :)
06:37 eythian       Need to do the other facets soon too.
06:37 eythian       as that's all I'm faceting right now
06:37 eythian       e.g. right now you only see authors, itype, and topics.
06:37 cait          i think i have to test some developments today :)
06:37 cait          curious to take a closer look :) now i need to get myself to work
06:36 cait          makes sense
06:36 cait          ah
06:36 eythian       then the facet doesn't show up if there's nothing to show.
06:36 eythian       > Also note that terms are counted once per document, even if the occur more frequently in that document.
06:36 cait          like... there should be a facet, but there isn#t anything in the fields to display?
06:35 cait          what happns if it can't display anything for the description?
06:35 cait          might be :)
06:35 eythian       I don't know for sure, but I suspect that ES is smarter than that.
06:35 cait          i had to 'fix' that for a recent project
06:35 cait          it#s a problem we have now too - the indexes are wider than the fields we display in the facets
06:34 cait          eythian: hm that might lead to the number being incorrect
06:34 eythian       (I'm cheating: every field you care about for facets creates a field like 'author__facet' internally, and that's used for faceting, but it's not indexed for searching.)
06:33 eythian       you do. I've also got it now so you can pick and choose what to facet on separate from what's indexed into a field. So you can put 245$c into 'author' and search on it, but it won't show in the facets.
06:33 cait          so we don't have to cheat with the features and it just works :)
06:32 cait          but i hope that we get 'real' facets with ES :)
06:32 eythian       yeah
06:32 cait          you can set th enumber higher... but it will slow down things significantly
06:31 cait          yeah i know
06:31 eythian       ah, handy.
06:31 eythian       the problem is that zebra facets on what's displayed. ES facets on all the possible results, which is what makes the most sense.
06:30 cait          displayFacetCount system preference
06:29 cait          we can do that nwo too - it's just not always correct
06:29 cait          hm the facets shoudl totally show the number visibly
06:29 cait          because most libraries here don't use dewey or similar, but each has their own scheme of things, or a lot have
06:29 cait          it gets really troublesome for callnumbers
06:29 eythian       I actually added that to the facets for debug purposes, if you hover on a facet it says "blahblah (23)"
06:29 cait          we had that in other ILS i used... always a big thing
06:28 cait          before you click, that would be nice
06:28 eythian       that's totally possible
06:28 cait          hm ideally it should show how many
06:28 eythian       with a search to jump into the middle of it. That's the bit that I don't know how to do yet.
06:27 eythian       or something along those lines.
06:27 eythian       that is, view an ordered list of all things (say, authors), and you can select one to see the results that have that.
06:26 eythian       I have some ideas.
06:26 eythian       One of the people paying for this wants a browse interface, so I need to figure out how to do that.
06:26 eythian       no, not translation manager.
06:26 wahanui       somebody said next was translation manager
06:26 cait          what's next?
06:26 cait          very nice :)
06:26 eythian       That's one of my milestone goals.
06:26 cait          woohoo :)
06:26 eythian       I have most of the advanced search form working with ES now.
06:25 eythian       oh well, I'll implement things according to what it currently does. Changing it later can be a different battle :)
06:22 cait          we try to set a few fields correctly at least, the pubdate being one of them, and the media type things
06:22 cait          or people are not aware that they want that to make the pub date range search work
06:22 eythian       yeah, it's a bugger to migrate into those control fields.
06:21 cait          but i think migrated data might not always have it
06:21 cait          ours is pretty good there
06:21 cait          maybe
06:21 eythian       that's so often wrong though, although maybe I'm using bad data.
06:21 eythian       yeah
06:20 cait          for search it probably makes sense to use the normalized form of the year, as the pub date ranges do now... 008? 007? one of those
06:20 cait          so a lot of code 'shoudl' look at both
06:20 cait          marc21 has the default mapping to copyrightdate
06:19 cait          unimarc has the default mapping on pubdate
06:19 cait          it's mostly a unimarc/marc21 problem right now
06:19 cait          ah
06:19 cait          i think most of the hardcoded bits right now look at both fields
06:19 eythian       they're named differently, it's just sometimes one is used, sometimes the other.
06:19 eythian       cait: well, we'd just have to change the hardcoded bits in Koha I think
06:18 wahanui       cait: that doesn't look right
06:18 cait          change all the mappings... copy the data from one column to another... change the reports... but if the library changed the mappings from the default hm.
06:17 cait          i man... we could
06:17 eythian       yeah
06:17 cait          eythian: yeah publicationdate and copyrightdate are annoying :( just seems quite hard to clean up for existin ginstallations
06:16 eythian       that'll be it
06:16 eythian       ahh
06:16 eythian       993:branch homebranch
06:16 eythian       Maybe it just never worked.
06:16 eythian       yeah, it passes it through as 'branch:...'
06:15 dcook         You'll have to look at Search.pm for that one, I think. Specifically in the limits bit?
06:14 eythian       it just comes through as 'branch' in the URL, and record.abs has nothing called just 'branch'
06:14 eythian       ok, if you're restricting to a branch, is that homebranch or holdingbranch?
06:14 dcook         Well...not mangled. Sorted badly.
06:14 dcook         The police should redo this form...it mangled my address history...:/
06:13 dcook         eythian: totes
06:13 dcook         bbiab
06:13 eythian       probably even zebra
06:13 * dcook       goes back to his police stuff though
06:13 eythian       it'd totally work in ES
06:13 dcook         Well...I suppose we could just use pubdate..
06:13 dcook         Because of the Koha => Marc mappings
06:12 dcook         But I don't think the data supports that :/
06:12 dcook         Yeah, we should probably just be using pubdate
06:12 eythian       yeah. it's just you sort by publication date, but search by copydate
06:12 * dcook       recalls doing stuff with different dates back when he used to catalogue
06:12 dcook         Yeah, they can definitely be different...because you can have a publication date of yesterday, but the copyright date might be from decades ago
06:11 dcook         So they're mostly just annoying :p
06:11 dcook         Iirc, they can be different things...but we don't use them that way
06:10 eythian       Though, I suppose they're possibly different things.
06:10 eythian       it's slightly annoying we have both publication date and copydate.
06:08 eythian       holy crap, it does work
06:07 eythian       cool, date range searching might be working.
06:07 eythian       'query' => '(_all:a) AND copydate:[1970 TO 1980]'
06:06 huginn        eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (5:30 PM NZST on June 10, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
06:06 eythian       @wunder nzwn
06:05 cait          it's only 8 am
06:05 huginn        cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 10, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
06:05 cait          @wunder Konstanz
06:05 cait          irma: sorry, was getting ready for work - had 3 days to recover, but now it's  really hot here... :)
06:02 irma          I am serious now ... I must really leave... Ciao!
06:01 irma          eythian Toodle Pip!
06:00 eythian       Toodlepip!
05:59 dcook         A+ :)
05:59 irma          Oh I should get on with it ... Bis bald! A bientot! Tot Ziens! Despedida!
05:58 dcook         Let's hope their website didn't time out..
05:58 dcook         irma: Je suppose :p
05:57 dcook         (And one email to my sister)
05:57 irma          dcook un pigeon voyageur?
05:57 dcook         Even numbered apartments for guys, and I recall the room number based on position within the apartment...
05:56 dcook         Fortunately, i only moved across the hall between years 1 and 2...
05:56 dcook         eythian: I did 3 qualifications in two different provinces and three different cities...and lived in 4 different locales in that time
05:56 irma          Das war letzte Woche?
05:55 irma          hallo cait ... Bist Du nicht zu muede nach der Konferenz?
05:55 eythian       though, that goes back more than 7.5 years.
05:55 eythian       I only had 4 or 5 addresses at uni, don't think I could remember them all.
05:54 * dcook       re-used addresses :p
05:54 dcook         With a total of...11 moves?
05:53 dcook         8 addresses in 10 years
05:52 cait          hallo Irma and hi eythian :)
05:52 irma          hi eythian and cait
05:51 eythian       hi cait, irma
05:50 irma          dcook Bon courage!
05:50 dcook         It's practically a telephone number
05:49 dcook         had*
05:49 dcook         Oh my... my "apartment" has three sets of numbers..
05:49 * cait        waves back and yawns
05:49 dcook         And a good memory :p
05:48 dcook         Yay for email to family members...
05:48 dcook         Let's see if I can recall my address from when I first started uni..
05:47 * dcook       waves to cait
05:47 dcook         irma: Pretty sure that's the one ;)
05:47 dcook         eythian: good point :p
05:47 dcook         Ink fingerprints though...I hope I never have to get ink fingerprints again...
05:47 irma          just to fill in the boxes on the form?
05:47 eythian       well, they don't care: you left :)
05:47 dcook         The Canadian police didn't need it :p
05:47 dcook         I already have my Canadian police check done, so I don't know why the Australian police need 7.5 years of Canadian addresses :p
05:46 dcook         <3
05:46 irma          send them to us dcook we will vouch for you ;-)
05:45 * dcook       feels bad for the people who check up on these things
05:44 dcook         Oh well. Good data to have for myself anyway...
05:44 dcook         I know, right?
05:43 eythian       surely the police aren't doing their job if they don't know that.
05:43 dcook         I'm back 3 years and I already have 4 listed...
05:42 dcook         Trying to recall 10 years of addresses...
05:42 dcook         Got to love police checks...
05:21 wahanui       That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, rangi
05:21 rangi         awesome!
05:21 aleisha       cool i signed off on that first one rangi
05:16 huginn        04Bug 643: enhancement, P2, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Allow override of 'debarred' status
05:16 rangi         or http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=643
05:02 rangi         might be a good one to test
05:02 huginn        04Bug 12377: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add date pickers to serials-edit.pl
05:02 rangi         aleisha: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12377
04:57 * pianohacker scurries off
04:57 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12393 normal, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , OverDrive does not depend on SSL modules for LWP, causing searches to fail
04:57 pianohacker   eythian: bug 12393 if you're interested
04:48 eythian       http://youtu.be/UnphFxH3FxM <-- truely horrifying
04:47 dcook         Sounds familiar
04:39 eythian       I say this because my previous fix broke something else.
04:37 eythian       It's reaching the point that I had some unit tests in this. It's getting large enough that making one thing work has a reasonable chance of breaking something else.
04:35 rangi         heh
04:35 eythian       "count" : 15
04:35 eythian       "term" : "ng",
04:35 eythian       "count" : 17
04:35 eythian       "term" : "en",
04:35 eythian       "count" : 3028
04:35 eythian       "term" : "eng",
04:34 dcook         hehe
04:34 eythian       OK, language searching works. Thanks to some badly catalogued data for helping out with that.
04:17 eythian       later
04:16 mtompset      Have a great day, rangi dcook eythian #koha.
04:13 dcook         rangi: Oh sure. Invite tourists to feed your vampire habits...
04:12 dcook         hehe
03:46 rangi         dcook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGvyjKLLnp4
03:45 eythian       good stuff
03:45 jce           eythian:  Many thanks for your help.  I think I'm on the right track now.  Going to check out for tonight, though.
03:44 dcook         eythian: Good call on the error handling :p
03:44 * dcook       found wahanui amusing though
03:43 rangi         that was a fairly random request
03:43 rangi         ah true
03:43 eythian       a lot of newer chipsets have built in AES support, which is stupid fast.
03:43 eythian       It probably wouldn't be bad on good hardware
03:43 whammywon     OK. thank you @rangi!
03:43 eythian       it doesn't.
03:42 rangi         but you could put it on an encrypted partition, id imagine it would be hella slow though
03:42 rangi         id doubt it
03:42 whammywon     anybody happen to know if MySQL encrypts?
03:42 wahanui       no it's not.
03:42 whammywon     oh. that's right.
03:41 rangi         they arent stored in files, but in a database
03:41 whammywon     like patron information and history. etc...
03:41 wahanui       eythian: wish i knew
03:41 eythian       wahanui: are you a bot?
03:41 rangi         whammywon: what files are you talking about encrypting?
03:41 rangi         whammywon: ignore wahanui, its a bot
03:40 eythian       http://i.imgur.com/FDzHkWg.png <-- I may have to improve the error handling at some stage too. This might be a little too cryptic.
03:40 whammywon     OK. would I need a third party encryption software?
03:40 jce           eythian:  Actually, when I look at Koha to MARC mapping now, it has biblionumber mapped to 999.  I wonder if fix-090-to-999.pl did that for me.
03:40 wahanui       files are not touched by the template translation process, you will have to do it manually
03:40 rangi         what files?
03:39 whammywon     does anyone know if koha offers encryption for library files?
03:39 wahanui       privet, whammywon
03:39 whammywon     hello
03:38 eythian       That'll be terrible.
03:37 eythian       Oh, I'll ahve to implement availability at some stage.
03:37 dcook         :D
03:36 eythian       Better getting more things to be searchable.
03:36 eythian       actually, I'm going to fix facet expansion later. It's low priority
03:35 eythian       you could probably do the same process for that.
03:35 jce           And then fix Koha to MARC mapping.
03:35 eythian       if you like
03:34 jce           All right.  I fixed the default framework schema, and re-imported the default framework from the SQL with no errors reported.  So now I make a new framework from the default?
03:33 eythian       e.g. I could have it do 1900-1950, 1950-2000, 2000-
03:33 dcook         hehe
03:33 eythian       but maybe later :)
03:33 eythian       I can do magic with date faceting
03:33 eythian       I'm not going to do that
03:33 dcook         That's a good point
03:33 dcook         I wonder if there is a time when you'd rather have 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009...
03:33 * dcook       ponders
03:32 dcook         Mmm, I figured, but hence the hmm
03:32 eythian       that's what it does now
03:32 dcook         2012 (50), 2009 (25), 2010 (4)
03:32 eythian       that's what I mean by popular
03:32 dcook         Like...dates
03:32 dcook         I think it would make sense if they were ordered in regards to the number of hits so to speak?
03:32 dcook         Was just about to :)
03:32 eythian       you're going to have to clarify your musing there, dcook.
03:31 dcook         eythian: Hmm?
03:28 eythian       OK, so I might have it show the most popular 5 until you expand it when it shows 20. Something like that.
03:26 eythian       actually, this is a tricky question given that ES shows the facets for the whole result set, not just the current page.
03:26 eythian       *10 most popular
03:26 eythian       currently it seems be taking the most popular and sorting them alphabetically.
03:24 eythian       OK everyone, how should facets work? Should they be ordered according to how common that field is within the results, or should it be alphabetical, or something else?
03:22 jce           Right.
03:22 eythian       because you want to drop them and create them
03:21 eythian       yeah
03:21 wahanui       i heard better was "take cover." :)
03:21 eythian       well, better anyway
03:21 jce           But I want to keep the DROP TABLE IF EXISTS and CREATE TABLE just for these tables, no?
03:21 eythian       yay, facet bug fixed, now they work properly under ES!
03:20 eythian       or directly into mysql
03:20 eythian       yeah
03:20 jce           Ok, I've found the section in kohastructure.sql for marc_subfield_structure.  It has a DROP TABLE IF EXISTS and CREATE TABLE for marc_subfield_structure.  Should I copy just that section and the one for marc_tag_structure and paste them into a new file?
03:14 eythian       no, best to do it from fresh.
03:13 jce           Probably is.  I remember running scripts to upgrade schema in the past.  Should I try one of those?
03:13 eythian       )
03:12 eythian       might be worth dropping the tables if it'll let you and recreating them from kohastructure.sql (copy-paste the creates out, otherwise madness will happen.
03:12 eythian       maybe the schema is old
03:12 eythian       hmm
03:09 jce           Hmm.  I got some error messages.  Duplicate entries:  999 for key PRIMARY, 999-a for key PRIMARY, 942, 942-a, 952, 952-0, 000, 000-@ for key PRIMARY.
03:05 eythian       then \. /path/to/file.sql
03:05 eythian       if so, sudo koha-mysql instancename
03:05 jce           Yes.
03:04 eythian       you have packages installed?
03:03 jce           Ok, I've truncated both tables.  phpmyadmin is being a dork and not allowing me to import from the SQL file.  Rather than adjust its attitude, it would probably be easier to load it up via the command line, if I could come up with the proper mysql incantation.
02:57 eythian       (most likely)
02:57 eythian       truncate
02:56 jce           Should I drop the table or truncate it?
02:55 eythian       cool
02:55 jce           Yes, an SQL backup, the 'real' server, and another copy of the VM I'm currently working on.
02:54 eythian       (note that I assume you're working with a backup of your whole database lying around safely somewhere.)
02:52 jce           Ok.  I'm going to export both of those tables, then drop them.
02:51 eythian       marc_tag_structure and marc_subfield_structure
02:51 jce           Is that all in a particular table I could drop?
02:50 * dcook       would probably delete everything and load it
02:50 eythian       just because you might have some really old stuff in tehre.
02:50 dcook         The only downside is if something has been changed
02:50 eythian       up to you, I'd probably be inclined to delete everything and load it though
02:50 jce           Sounds good to me.
02:50 eythian       Which is normally sensible.
02:49 eythian       it looks like if you load that file, it will add anything that's not there, but won't change anything that's already there.
02:48 jce           Not afraid of the command line, but just don't spend much time with MySQL.
02:47 jce           Not sure I'd be able to tell from the SQL whether it would mess things up if I reload it.
02:44 jce           I'd have to get out my O'Reilly book and read a bit.  :)
02:43 eythian       I tend to use mysql at the command line though
02:43 eythian       yeah
02:43 eythian       check the SQL first, make sure it won't go weird if it gets loaded in twice.
02:43 jce           Can I do that in phpmyadmin?
02:43 jce           So you think I should delete the test framework (the only thing there besides 'default') and load the default SQL to refresh the default framework.
02:42 eythian       yeah, then I'd delete it and load the default in.
02:41 jce           Well, there really isn't anything here but a "Test framework" I probably set up when I was first playing around with the initial version of this system in about 2007.
02:40 eythian       Oh, if you create a new framework from default, it won't load that. It'll copy the default that's currently in the system.
02:39 eythian       I'd be inclined to delete all the existing frameworks and reload the default
02:39 eythian       not sure.
02:34 jce           I'm looking at installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/mandatory/marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql  Is this what Koha loads up as the default framework in Home->Administration->MARC frameworks?  If so, do I need to load the SQL again, or can I just make a new framework based on the default?
02:28 jce           Thanks.  I'll give it a look.
02:28 eythian       installer/data/mysql/
02:28 eythian       ^W is not delete word back in this IRC client...
02:27 jce           Where would I find the sql files that have the defaults?
02:25 eythian       yeah, replace the ones currently in the database with the default ones.
02:25 jce           eythian:  import the framework and mappings from the sql files?
02:23 eythian       there's probably other issues in there anyway
02:23 eythian       jce: import them from the sql files in koha
02:22 jce           mtj:  if you're still on, fix-090-to-999.pl worked like a charm.  Now I just need to figure out how to fix the framework and Koha to MARC mappings.
02:14 eythian       well, that's kinda its thing
02:10 * pianohacker goes to make dinner
02:10 pianohacker   oh. pbuilder does a debootstrap O_o
02:10 pianohacker   hah, yeah, that's cool
02:09 eythian       http://www.trademe.co.nz/browse/listing.aspx?id=739388255&/listing?rfm=1 <-- does my lounge need this?
01:56 eythian       https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html
01:55 eythian       yeah, liw did that :)
01:55 eythian       'liblwp-protocol-https-perl|libwww-perl (<6.00)' I think is the correct format. Make sure you double check the version is correct.
01:55 pianohacker   heh, lines 71-81
01:54 pianohacker   eythian: so, in this case, LWP::Protocol::https => 'liblwp-protocol-https-perl|libwww-perl<6.00' ?
01:54 eythian       so that it gets checked first
01:54 eythian       oh, the code for handling overrides should be moved to the top of the if block
01:52 eythian       so it'd be something like Whatever::It::Is => 'liblwp-protocol-https-perl|libthe-other-one-perl'
01:51 eythian       it already has the facility for that, though nothing is using it right now.
01:51 pianohacker   eythian: is there anything I can provide in my patch besides the PerlDependencies.pm update?
01:51 eythian       I'd probably add an override to debian/list-deps
01:51 eythian       I'm just trying to figure out the best way to do it
01:51 pianohacker   Cool. Didn't know that
01:50 eythian       a|b
01:50 eythian       sure
01:50 pianohacker   You can do that in debian dependencies?
01:50 eythian       yeah
01:50 jcamins       Require either liblwp-protocol-https-perl or liblwp-perl < x.x.x
01:48 eythian       (which isn't a big deal.)
01:48 eythian       It's possible that the best solution is to do it manually.
01:48 eythian       That's a little tricky.
01:48 pianohacker   Ah. Wondered if that was so.
01:47 eythian       the conversion of PD.pm is scripted, I don't actually read it.
01:47 pianohacker   ooh
01:47 eythian       neither
01:47 pianohacker   is the answer to this riddle "we no longer support squeeze" or "you should put a comment in PerlDependencies.pm"?
01:46 pianohacker   eythian: okay, here's a riddle for you. In wheezy, debian split the HTTPS support for LWP into a separate package, called liblwp-protocol-https-perl. We can't depend on this package in squeeze, as it doesn't exist, but without it we don't get HTTPS support in wheezy
01:43 dcook         Bleargh...
01:17 eythian       np
01:17 pianohacker   eythian++ # Thanks for all your help
01:17 pianohacker   heh, okay. Thanks
01:16 eythian       pianohacker: no
01:16 pianohacker   eythian: is there any kind of ordering to PerlDependencies.pm?
01:14 huginn        04Bug 12393: normal, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , OverDrive does not depend on SSL modules for LWP, causing searches to fail
01:14 huginn        pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
01:14 pianohacker   @later tell gmcharlt just filed http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12393 for the current favored fix; possible 3.16.1 candidate if it's ready in time?
01:10 dcook         Of course, when something doesn't come up when checking the deps, you find out pretty fast..
01:10 * dcook       needs to remember to take a look at PerlDependencies.pm again sometime..
01:09 eythian       pianohacker: it's not, I manually do it every so often.
01:09 mtj           no, thats the one :p
01:08 eythian       or do you mean something else?
01:08 eythian       you mean like it already does? :)
01:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10942 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Provide a way for package upgrades to update template translations
01:07 eythian       mtj: bug 10942
01:07 mtj           eythian: add a final task to the package install,  to update the language files
01:07 pianohacker   oh, cool. It's autogenerated?
01:06 eythian       in that case, add it to C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm and everything will work out.
01:06 eythian       ah, I didn't realise it was a perl dep, I figured it was a C lib or something
01:02 pianohacker   eythian: Okay. Two questions: a) does that involve changing debian/control? b) are there any problems that you know of with the packages depending on libio-socket-perl and libcrypt-ssleay-perl?
01:00 eythian       pianohacker: submit a patch for the packages to include it.
01:00 eythian       mtj: what do you mean?
00:53 mtj           hey eythian - what do you think about a koha package update, rebuilding language files?
00:44 huginn        pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
00:44 pianohacker   @later tell gmcharlt The overdrive code depends on being able to connect to OverDrive over HTTPS. It turns out most Koha Debian installations don't ship the necessary packages. What would be the best way to resolve this?
00:43 gmcharlt      pianohacker: heading out the door; drop me a note, pelase
00:06 mtj           rangi, awesome