Time  Nick         Message
00:37 * dcook      wishes that z39.50 targets all used the same Bib-1 set...
00:37 dcook        Or implemented it in the same way..
00:37 dcook        Whoa, it's 10:30!
00:53 eythian      nope, 12:53
00:53 dcook        Well, sure, now :p
00:53 dcook        How'd the ESing go last night, eythian?
00:54 eythian      dcook: good, made significant process. You could actually use it right now if you didn't mind a lot of things being missing.
00:55 eythian      like, facets, searching on anything other than a keyword search, that sort of hting
00:55 eythian      sorting
00:55 eythian      all the things no one ever uses anyway :)
00:55 dcook        hehe, exactly!
00:55 dcook        That's really cool though :)
01:16 mtompset     I'm curious, is there a URL for the specification of UNIMARC? I was wondering if it has 952 fields. And if that sounds dumb, I haven't had caffeine at all today.
01:17 eythian      952 isn't a MARC21 thing either
01:17 eythian      it's a koha thing
01:17 mtompset     -- well, it was a MARC21 historically. :P
01:18 eythian      you're thinking 852 perhaps
01:18 eythian      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_(9xx)
01:18 mtompset     852 was before that.
01:18 eythian      oh, the unimarc thing is somewhat incomplete from the look of it
01:18 eythian      I'd guess then that maybe it uses 952 as well
01:19 eythian      find a koha library with unimarc and peek at the marc record
01:19 mtompset     But basically, you are saying that if I go hunting for a 952 in the marcxml SQL field, it should be there regardless of UNIMARC or MARC21?
01:19 mtompset     -- I'm in the midst of thinking of tests to run for the changes I'll make on bug 11592.
01:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, ASSIGNED , opac scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility
01:20 dcook        mtompset: Nope
01:20 mtompset     And then trying to determine what tests to run and how.
01:20 dcook        The UNIMARC installs use a different field I believe
01:20 dcook        955 or something I think
01:20 mtompset     oh... DOH!
01:20 dcook        Take a look at the Koha.pm facet stuff
01:20 mtompset     marcfieldfromkoha.
01:20 dcook        Actually..maybe it is 952...
01:21 * dcook      swears he's seen different ones..
01:21 mtompset     You may be right.
01:21 eythian      the out of data, unimplemented stuff on the wiki refers to 995
01:21 eythian      but I don't really know
01:21 mtompset     But if I use GetMarcFromKohaField, it will tell me. :)
01:21 dcook        If it is 995, their indexing is going to be wonky
01:22 mtompset     Because there is the embedded items parameter to GetMarcBiblio.
01:22 mtompset     So, if I am going to write thorough tests for GetMarcBiblio, I will need to check items, and stuff.
02:12 eythian      wahanui: are you a bot?
02:12 wahanui      eythian: wish i knew
02:12 eythian      wahanui: are \you a bot is <reply>No, \I am a human.
02:12 wahanui      ...but are you a bot is <reply>http://youtu.be/-Vzw1NdSZmc...
02:12 eythian      oh
02:27 mtompset     Yes, that was a good video. :)
02:59 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11241: update the Italian MARC21 setup for 3.16 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b77d69abbeb95bb55d7c93d2a132d89db22bf3e4> / Bug 12259 - fix version numbers in dependencies <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a045d4a9f9f29a837e7975e8f7f7162c3324d57> / Bug 12251: fix error in sample_notices.sql (ru-RU) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit
03:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #1754 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:52 eythian      rangi: now have keyword vs. specific field (e.g. title) searching working in ES. Next stop: sorting.
03:52 eythian      let's see if I can do that before beer o'clock
03:53 rangi        nice!
03:53 dcook        \o/
04:05 eythian      hmm
04:14 wajasu       interesting http://xing.github.io/wysihtml5/
04:18 dcook        wajasu: Quite interesting
04:25 wajasu       :0
05:12 dcook        morning cait
05:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1754: UNSTABLE in 2 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1754/
05:18 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 12209 - Fix currency symbol for NOK
05:18 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12251: fix error in sample_notices.sql (es-ES)
05:18 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12251: fix error in sample_notices.sql (fr-FR)
05:18 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12251: fix error in sample_notices.sql (ru-RU)
05:18 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 12259 - fix version numbers in dependencies
05:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12209 minor, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix currency symbol for NOK
05:18 jenkins_koha * Koha SAB CINECA: Bug 11241: update the Italian MARC21 setup for 3.16
05:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12251 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Error in sample_notices.sql (es-ES)
05:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12259 normal, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Invalid dependency module version number
05:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11241 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED INVALID, DHXD
05:19 cait         morning dcook
05:19 cait         sorry, still waking up
06:02 paxed        whee adultborrower!
06:37 reiveune     hello
06:37 wahanui      what's up, reiveune
06:43 cait         morning all and bbl
06:46 paxed        is there a way to force patrons to change their password?
06:52 * magnuse    waves
06:55 dcook        yo magnuse
06:55 dcook        paxed: I don't think there is currently any built in mechanism for that
07:08 magnuse      howdy dcook
07:15 cait         hi #koha
07:20 dcook        yo cait
07:20 dcook        I think it's nearly time for me to buzz home
07:21 cait         yeah :)
07:23 dcook        Hope everyone has a good Friday/weekend :)
07:35 eythian      hi cait
07:37 kivilahtio   eythian: hi!
07:37 eythian      kivilahtio: hello
07:37 wahanui      hi, eythian
07:39 kivilahtio   does anybody know why I cannot login from outside the opac-main.pl? I have this basic form copied directly from the opac-main.pl
07:39 kivilahtio   http://pastebin.com/02QGTj2F
07:39 kivilahtio   there are web articles which say that using this form and parameters should do the trick?
07:40 eythian      is it on the same domain? There might be cross-site issues?
07:41 eythian      kivilahtio: you'll be happy to know I have basic searches working almost properly with ES. There are issues with sorting that are Monday's job.
07:41 kivilahtio   eythian: very happy!
07:41 kivilahtio   eythian: Looking forward to signing off your patches!
07:41 eythian      the next thing will probably be starting with facets, or maybe advanced search.
07:41 eythian      that'll be a little while off just yet.
07:41 magnuse      eythian: very cool!
07:42 cait         hi eythian
07:42 * cait       votes facets ;)
07:42 eythian      (in case you're wondering, I'm just poking at the computer before I bike home - I have to go to training early (for me) in the morning.)
07:42 eythian      facets it is then ;)
07:43 cait         have fun and be careful in training
07:43 eythian      either way, they both have to happen
07:43 cait         we can't get you beat up now that you are going to work on facets
07:43 eythian      heh
07:44 eythian      ES has some special facets functions that I know nothing about yet.
07:45 thd          Does any one know what is happening with the delayed mail for the Koha list?
07:45 cait         not sure, how long have you been waiting?
07:46 eythian      thd: it's a problem for me too
07:46 eythian      I emailed the list admin today, but haven't had a reply yet
07:46 thd          I have not seen my message pop out now for 4 days.
07:46 kivilahtio   gah, my issue had diacritic issues :D
07:46 kivilahtio   ä in password , not marked as utf8 :)
07:46 eythian      Oh, I haven't tested ES with diacritics.
07:46 eythian      I should do so
07:47 cait         you shoudl!
07:47 cait         thd: koha main list? not sure who moderates it hm.
07:47 eythian      I have to wait for rangi to finish what he's been working on so I can do a reindex.
07:47 paxed        is there any place i could put a template so it could be used from both opac and intranet?
07:47 eythian      cait: yeah, the main list
07:48 paxed        (in the source tree, that is)
07:48 eythian      it's moderated by a few people, but I suspect that it's a sysadmin level issue
07:48 eythian      paxed: short answer, probably nowhere.
07:48 paxed        code duplication is not FTW.
07:48 eythian      you could symlink but in general it's a weird thing to want
07:49 kivilahtio   eythian: what are you training?
07:49 eythian      http://www.seishinkanwellington.org.nz/ <-- kivilahtio
07:49 kivilahtio   cool!
07:50 kivilahtio   I should get back to dojo as well :) maybe soon
07:50 eythian      I'm going for my black belt later this year
07:50 thd          eythian: Yes, the delay does give the impression of more than not enough attention from the list moderators.
07:51 eythian      thd: I suspect it's a mail flow problem, but it's hard to be sure from the outside.
07:51 kivilahtio   wow
07:51 kivilahtio   congratulations!
07:51 eythian      I haven't got it yet, that may be premature.
07:54 paxed        eythian: bug 12270
07:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12270 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Create a directory for templates shared with opac and intranet
07:54 thd          I will wait to see if the issue is resolved next week before I repost my message to the kohadevel list.
07:54 kivilahtio   eythian: you are almost there! I know you can get it if you just train hard!
07:55 eythian      paxed: a shared template module directory probably wouldn't be the worst idea.
07:55 * thd        goes back to sleep
07:56 cait         good night thd :)
07:56 eythian      (I was thinking the logic .pl files behind it, if they have much shared code it should probably be pulled into a Koha:: module.
07:56 eythian      )
07:56 thd          good morning ;)
07:56 eythian      kivilahtio: yeah, I need to get back into a 3 times a week habit.
08:00 magnuse      eythian: never mind the "special facets functions" of ES - just implement something yourself. how hard can it be? ;-)
08:00 eythian      magnuse: probably harder than letting ES do it :)
08:00 magnuse      nah, can't imagine that ;-)
08:00 eythian      the hard bit will be figuring out how Koha expects to receive facet information, all that stuff is woefully underdocumented.
08:02 eythian      I am taking the policy that "any function longer than a screen is too big" so hopefully anyone looking at my code can work out what I've done, along with documentation (and eventually when the API settles more, unit tests.)
08:05 * magnuse    cheers eythian on
08:09 kivilahtio   eythian: +1 for ES based faceting :)
08:10 eythian      :)
08:10 cait         eythian: don't expect too much of koha... the facets code is...
08:11 eythian      cait: all I need to know is what I'm expect to return to make it show up, I don't care how koha currently works it out.
08:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #34 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
08:32 ashimema     morning #koha
08:32 magnuse      hiya ashimema
08:33 ashimema     sounds as though eythian is on a real ES mission at the moment.. so good to see
08:33 eythian      alright, time to bike home. It's coldish out there, but should be a tail breeze.
08:33 ashimema     nice
08:34 * eythian    &
08:48 magnuse      @wunder wellington
08:48 huginn       magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:48 magnuse      @wunder wellington, nz
08:48 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (8:30 PM NZST on May 16, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
08:48 magnuse      @wunder boo
08:48 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on May 16, 2014). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
09:06 * magnuse    waves to atheia
09:07 atheia       Hiya magnuse!
09:07 cait         hi atheia
09:07 cait         :)
09:08 atheia       Morning cait :-)
09:13 kivilahtio   have a great weekend!
09:25 fridolin     hie all
09:27 atheia       hi fridolin
09:33 fridolin     I've just created a critical bug : Bug 12271
09:33 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12271 critical, P5 - low, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , valid-templates.t does not test bootstrap opac templates
09:33 fridolin     it found that the template test tool does not test bootstrap templates :O
09:34 fridolin     since I use it to test the backport of patches to 3.14.x, it is very important =-O
09:34 cait         do the tests pass at least when it does?
09:34 cait         :)
09:34 fridolin     cait: there a a fiew errors but on nearly deprecated pages
09:35 fridolin     it should be fixed anyway
09:35 cait         true
09:35 cait         and the pages as well
09:35 nlegrand     Hey #koha !
09:37 nlegrand     I think I've fixed my zebra indexation problem :). It was due to bad MARC field created by batch modifications outside of Koha. It is doing weird UTF-8 overencoding. Worst case is a MARCXML field of more than 12Ko. That's was why zebraidx was segfaulting...
09:38 magnuse      ouch
09:38 nlegrand     It was a bad week for my nerves, but a good one for my understanding of Zebra ^^
09:39 cait         :)
09:39 magnuse      it's when things break you learn new things ;-)
09:46 fridolin     yep ;)
09:50 nlegrand     ^^
09:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #34: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/34/
09:55 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11493: Revert "Bug 6869 Batch item modification fails whit accented characters"
09:55 jenkins_koha * Frédéric Demians: Bug 11663: fix display of holding tab in Bootstap OPAC when opacbookbag syspref is disabled
09:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11493 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Batch Item Modification not handling unicode characters
09:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6869 normal, P3, ---, fcapovilla, CLOSED FIXED, Batch item modification fails if accented characters are used in the modification form.
09:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11663 trivial, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , Bootstap theme opac holding tab improperly displayed when opacbookbag syspref is disabled
09:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #35 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
10:27 fridolin     rm 3.14 message : I just pushed Bug 10611
10:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10611 major, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Context->dbh checks if the DB is still running
10:27 fridolin     it should improve performance on db acess
10:28 fridolin     since it touches C4::Context, it should be well tested : branch 3.14.x
11:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #35: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/35/
11:56 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 11636 - make it possible to remove patrons from patron list during add process
11:56 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11636 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Impossible to remove patrons from patron list during add process
11:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #36 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
12:36 magnuse      druthb!
12:36 wahanui      Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
12:41 tcohen       morning!
12:41 wahanui      morning is, like, a state of the cait
12:46 druthb       magnuse!
12:46 wahanui      magnuse is probably a Norwegian giant.
12:46 druthb       tcohen!
12:46 cait         morning tcohen
12:46 druthb       cait!
12:47 cait         druthb!
12:47 druthb       :)
12:47 druthb       @wunder 77098
12:47 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 17.2°C (7:47 AM CDT on May 16, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
12:49 ashimema     @wunder stevenage, uk
12:49 huginn       ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 21.1°C (1:43 PM BST on May 16, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady).
12:53 magnuse      @wunder boo
12:53 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on May 16, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
13:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #36: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/36/
13:34 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10611: Use mysql_auto_reconnect instead of ping
13:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10611: (follow-up) cache DBMS driver code in context object
13:34 jenkins_koha * JaTara Barnes: Bug 11415: Add syspref to toggle SCO receipt printing
13:34 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11415 (QA Followup) fix whitespace
13:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10611 major, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Context->dbh checks if the DB is still running
13:34 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11415: DBRev 3.14.06.001
13:34 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11616: remove jQuery tablesorter plugin
13:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11616: (follow-up) remove tablesorter CSS
13:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11415 minor, P5 - low, ---, jendayi30, Pushed to Stable , SCO has no option to disable automatic receipt printing
13:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11616 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , The tablesorter plugin is no longer in use
13:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #37 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
13:36 ashimema     @later tell bag Did you ever get anywhere with that scheme to record a days transactions from a big site to allow us to rerun them for plack testing?
13:36 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
13:53 fridolin     see u
15:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #37: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/37/
15:16 jenkins_koha Pasi Kallinen: Bug 11631: Make i18n toolchain ignore useless strings
15:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11631 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Pushed to Stable , Make translation toolchain ignore useless translatable strings
15:57 reiveune     bye
16:13 khall        @later tell cait can you take a look at the last comment on bug 9303?
16:13 huginn       khall: The operation succeeded.
16:15 cait         bug 9303
16:15 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , relative's checkouts in the opac
16:15 cait         khall: it's on my list.. just covered in work right now and I think it won't make it into 3.18 now because of strings
16:16 khall        cool, thanks!
16:17 cait         i thik we also forgot to set a date for another dev meeting?
16:17 cait         should do that at the next general meeting
16:45 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
17:40 * magnuse    waves to mtompset and #koha in general, then wanders off to make pizza
17:40 mtompset     Enjoy the pizza, magnuse. :)
17:41 magnuse      will do! :-)
17:42 * JesseM     waves back to magnuse. Enjoy your pizza.
18:26 mtompset     Greetings, cait.
18:27 cait         hi mtompset
18:45 wajasu       this may be useful for the elasticsearch,mysql,http monitoring http://packetbeat.com/ https://github.com/packetbeat/packetbeat
21:46 pianohacker  hi
21:48 pianohacker  gmcharlt: okay, thanks. Do you know of any resources on implementing inter-target relevance ranking? Regardless of whether the results come through ranked, there'll have to be some ranking after the fact
21:56 jcamins      pianohacker: there are a couple of articles on that subject that I've seen cited, but I don't have any references handy.
21:57 pianohacker  okay
21:57 pianohacker  jcamins: for context, I'm working on implementing a basic Z39.50 metasearch tool for the advanced cataloging module
21:58 pianohacker  jcamins: pazpar2 has caused a bevy of problems, so I think replacing it will help a lot
21:58 jcamins      pianohacker: I figured that was what you were talking about.
21:58 pianohacker  cool, just wanted to be sure :)
21:58 jcamins      Take a look at work on...
21:58 jcamins      bah.
21:58 jcamins      I can't remember the term.
21:59 pianohacker  happy for any advice in general, I'm wading into water with lots of crocodiles
22:02 jcamins      The most common approach uses the Borda voting method.
22:02 jcamins      I'd look at the proceedings of SIGIR.
22:04 pianohacker  jcamins: Borda for relevance ranking? I've seen borda voting but never in that context. Interesting. Thanks
22:04 jcamins      Yeah, that's my understanding.
22:05 pianohacker  Be fun to stop banging my head against JS UI and Perl OOP crap and dig into a nice meaty algorithm
22:08 jcamins      You say that now...
22:11 jcamins      Gosh, I have not missed it being warm enough for our neighbors to be outside on their balcony.
22:11 jcamins      The five-year-old is very fond of standing out on the balcony and screaming "HI HI HI HI HI" at the top of his lungs... for a long time.
22:12 pianohacker  young'uns have an amazing lung capacity sometimes
22:24 bag          hola
22:27 bag          @later tell ashimema (we ended up going another path)  So I decided to just do it and you should see a bunch of small patches from eythian that will update things.  Next step is we're going to put a small library in production on it - to clean up the final bugs
22:27 huginn       bag: The operation succeeded.
22:28 bag          @later tell ashimema the biggest stumbling block currently is the stage/manage MARC area - looking at work arounds or possibly a rewrite of that
22:28 huginn       bag: The operation succeeded.
22:30 pianohacker  bag: what's this about?
22:30 bag          pianohacker: Sent 8 hours and 48 minutes ago: <ashimema> Did you ever get anywhere with that scheme to record a days transactions from a big site to allow us to rerun them for plack testing?
22:31 pianohacker  ahh gotcha
22:31 bag          yeah pretty cool :)
22:31 bag          actually I have some bugs that need some testing if you have a dev server up with plack running
22:31 bag          if not pianohacker - you should have a dev server with plack running :)
22:32 pianohacker  on the list ;)
22:35 bag          heya pianohacker how's the project going?
22:36 pianohacker  field session is going decent, trying to get them up to speed on stuff. They're learning web technologies, Perl and Koha's many quirks at the same time, so they're getting firehosed a bit
22:36 pianohacker  koha is running on their machines, though, so that's good :)
22:37 bag          good
22:37 bag          yeah talk about a firehose
22:38 bag          mouth::firehose
22:39 pianohacker  definitely...