Time Nick Message
23:57 jce Or should I use a tar ball?
23:56 jce So, should I change my package repositories, or just download a bunch of .deb files. The latter sounds like dependency hell to me.
23:54 rangi id export from your 3.8
23:54 jce rangi: I think that's what I'll try. Would I be exporting the records from Koha or is that something I should do in phpmyadmin?
23:53 dcook Those'll need to be re-created in the 3.14 as well
23:52 dcook Could run into problems if the item types, branches, and locations aren't the same...
23:52 dcook Mmm, that's a good point.
23:52 rangi ie, first id get it working with 3.8.x again so the library can work, then do the migration and test its all working ok, and then cut over
23:51 rangi then export the records from it, and load them into your new 3.14
23:51 rangi check it works there
23:51 rangi import the old backup
23:50 rangi id run up a 3.8
23:50 rangi dcook: i wouldnt do it like that
23:50 jce I'm pretty sure they're MARC21.
23:50 dcook Yeah, there is that
23:50 eythian this assumes your records are actually MARC21
23:49 dcook Actually, you might not need to bother...
23:49 dcook Should be as easy as moving those 090$c and 090$d fields to 999$c and 999$d.
23:49 dcook Well, fix the records, I guess ;)
23:48 dcook jce: Sounds dead easy then. Dump the records out of it, run up a 3.8, import the records into that :).
23:48 jce dcook: so we really just need to migrate the holdings.
23:48 eythian unfortunately it's not going to be perfect, the debian apache packages have introduced some bugs. They can be worked around though.
23:48 jce All they're using this for is a card catalog. They don't have any patrons defined, and they don't use it for check-outs.
23:47 eythian jce: well, all going well, we'll backport the fixes into 3.14.
23:47 dcook jce: As for migration, it depends on what you want to migrate over.
23:47 jce I'm actually setting Koha up for a second library as well, and was hoping to go straight to 14.04.
23:46 rangi with 3.8.x, if thats easier
23:46 rangi but yeah 12.04 would work fine
23:46 * eythian is going to be testing fixes for this today, assuming master finally builds.
23:46 rangi in its config files
23:46 rangi well the cavaet with 14.04 is they changed apache versions and apache broke backwards compatibility
23:46 jce I'm using 12.04 ATM because of the package problem with 14.04.
23:46 eythian 14.04 on packages is currently problematic
23:45 rangi you dont have to go back to 10.04
23:45 rangi 3.8.x will work fine with 14.04
23:45 rangi *nod* we run into that a bit too
23:45 jce Well, I hadn't planned on doing an upgrade at this time. I ran some Ubuntu updates and things didn't go well, so I decided it was time to upgrade the OS. This is a small library and they have only 1 machine for the server. But it's a point well taken.
23:43 jce Is there some documentation I should look at for migration?
23:43 rangi but it might not be, .. for future, dont turn the old one off until the new one is tested and working :-)
23:42 rangi if we we sure that the zebra/biblionumber mismatch is the only problem, you could try to fix that in place
23:42 jce I do.
23:42 jce I was sort of hoping to avoid that, but I'll give it a try.
23:42 rangi you have the original backup still eh?
23:41 rangi then you have time to do an export and migration into a 3.14 (or 3.16 when its released)
23:41 rangi id do that, see if it is working there
23:41 rangi jce: your idea of getting a 3.8 up is not a bad one
23:40 eythian tcohen: oh, I just emailed you
23:39 jce Would it be possible to do a migration with the database in the state it's in?
23:38 jce I've thought about installing Ubuntu 10.04 in a VM, reinstalling Koha 3.8 (which appears to be the previous version in use) and seeing if I can get it running that way again.
23:37 eythian OK, _this_ time maybe I'll have master building again.
23:36 jcamins Unfortunately I'm not sure. I usually just export the MARC records, move the biblionumber and biblioitemnumber into the correct fields, and treat it like a migration.
23:35 jce So, what would be my next troubleshooting step?
23:35 jce Looking back at my notes, the first install was in 8/07 on Ubuntu 7.04.
23:34 rangi yep
23:33 jcamins Including our Zebra configuration.
23:33 rangi that person who was the release manager for 3.0 has a lot to answer for
23:31 jcamins But, also, problems with database structure.
23:30 jcamins Like this one!
23:30 eythian beware that many upgrades from 2.2 have had issues pop up further down the track
23:30 jce Though it has been upgraded a couple times since then.
23:29 jce This system was first installed in 2008, so it could be that we still have junk left over from Koha 2.2.
23:29 jce Does this tell us what we need to know? "xmlns="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim">"
23:28 wahanui git is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
23:28 jcamins git?
23:27 rangi hi jcamins
23:27 jcamins Hi.
23:27 jcamins Looks like MARC21 from Koha 2.2.
23:26 rangi could be, the record didnt contain match fields is suspicious
23:26 jce So I may have a mismatch of my MARC record types between the database and the new server instance?
23:26 rangi you could look in the db, check the marcxml field in the biblioitems table for a record
23:24 jce Hmm. I thought we were using MARC21, but it's been long enough since I last worked on this, I may be wrong.
23:23 rangi in marc21 its 999c and d
23:23 rangi yeah that looks like unimarc
23:22 dcook jce: Are you using UNIMARC or MARC21?
23:22 dcook Useful link for pastes: paste.koha-community.org
23:22 jce BIBLIOITEMNUMBER in : 090$d
23:22 jce BIBLIONUMBER in : 090$c
23:22 jce Koha directory = /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin
23:22 jce Zebra authorities directory = /var/lib/koha/bcmc/authorities
23:22 jce Zebra biblio directory = /var/lib/koha/bcmc/biblios
23:22 jce ================================
23:22 jce Zebra configuration information
23:22 jce ====================
23:22 jce CLEANING
23:22 jce ====================
23:22 jce 17:53:43-12/05 zebraidx(15082) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
23:22 jce ====================
23:22 jce REINDEXING zebra
23:22 jce ====================
23:22 jce Records exported: 3295
23:21 dcook jce: Yeah, no worries about opaccolorstylesheet. It's an optional stylesheet.
23:21 jce Farther up the irc log I posted about some errors in /var/log/koha/bcmc/opac-error.log, but they seemed to pertain to CSS. I'll check the other stuff.
23:20 eythian hmm yeah, any warnings there?
23:19 * dcook is curious what was printed out while re-indexing Zebra
23:19 eythian especially the zebra files
23:19 eythian errors in /var/log/koha/whatever?
23:19 eythian hmm
23:19 jce Looks as everything is running (except SIP server, but I don't think we're using that.)
23:16 eythian make sure everything is running
23:16 eythian jce: try sudo service koha-common restart
23:16 jce Thought for sure that would fix it.
23:16 jce koha-upgrade-to-3.4 completed, but still no joy.
23:15 jce dcook: Thanks.
23:14 dcook jce: I haven't read too much scrollback, but... the item data and MARCXML bib record are stored in MySQL tables, while the Zebra indexes are stored in a Zebra db (which you can query using yaz-client)
23:12 dcook bag: Jealous
23:10 eythian it'll do a full zebra reindex when it's done, that may help things too.
23:09 jce Hmm. I was getting nothing at all. Well, I'm running it now, so we'll see what happens.
23:08 eythian just you're likely to get twice as many items
23:08 eythian although, you should still get search results without having run it
23:08 jce :)
23:08 eythian ah yep, that's reasonably important.
23:07 jce Thanks eythian. I'm now seeing a step I may have missed. I hadn't run koha-upgrade-to-3.4
23:06 eythian it was always there, it's more that it's used a little differently post 3.4
23:06 eythian jce: "items"
23:05 jce The Wiki page 'Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages_long' says that "Koha 3.4.x or later no longer stores items in biblio records." and then shows how to rebuild the zebra index. So I assume that the index is stored in another table in the same database. What table is that? I'm still unable to get any search results, and I'd like to look in phpmyadmin and see if the new index is really there.
22:55 eythian OK, fingers crossed I have master building again and I can test the thing I was actually planning to test.
22:53 eythian sounds like a plan :D
22:53 huginn bag: The current temperature in Santa Barbara, California is 31.0°C (2:53 PM PDT on May 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 9%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
22:53 bag @wunder SBA
22:53 bag eythian: say you are in santa barbara and you could have a beer early with me :)
22:53 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (10:30 AM NZST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
22:53 eythian @wunder nzwn
22:49 bag man it’s so hot here - I’m having a beer early today
22:38 eythian I think this'll be safe enough to blacklist.
22:38 eythian Something has been added that isn't in debian, and I'm trying to avoid having to make a package for it :)
22:38 rangi personally i think that that the load testing stuff should probably be its on repo
22:38 rangi yeah only optional
22:36 eythian I suppose it's an optional dependency
22:35 eythian rangi or others: should a script in misc/load_testing be a dependency in C4::Installer::PerlDependencies?
22:30 eythian I wish
22:24 wahanui go back to bed, eythian
22:24 bag heya eythian
22:21 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
22:21 mtompset Got to run. Bye.
22:18 wahanui privet, eythian
22:18 eythian hi
22:12 jce It looks as if some CSS stuff is missing from my installation, but that doesn't seem relevant to the problem of no results coming up in OPAC searches.
22:11 jce FWIW, /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 391 reads as follows: opaccolorstylesheet => C4::Context->preference("opaccolorstylesheet"),
22:04 jce [Mon May 12 16:55:40 2014] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [Mon May 12 16:55:40 2014] 404.pl: Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 391., referer: http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=au&q=borg
22:04 jce I have this in /var/log/koha/bcmc/opac-error.log: [Mon May 12 16:55:39 2014] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/css, referer: http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=au&q=borg
22:03 bag I’m melting
22:03 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 32.4°C (3:03 PM PDT on May 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
22:03 bag @wunder 93109
22:03 jce That's what I thought.
22:01 mtompset If the instance didn't exist, you would know. :)
22:00 jce It said: "Records exported: 3295" which is a plausible number.
21:57 jce I did this: sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v bcmc Does the instance include koha_ i.e. koha_bcmc?
21:55 mtompset Always a good idea to do a full reindex after getting your data into an instance.
21:55 mtompset Did you do a full reindex?
21:55 jce Ok, thanks rangi and mtompset. Created a user. Still getting no results from a search in OPAC on an author I know is in the holdings.
21:50 rangi categorycodes dont really do anything, except give you more information
21:49 rangi the permissions are what matter
21:49 rangi doesnt actually matter at all
21:46 jce Have to create a Patron Category. Do I make up an arbitrary category code? I assume Category type should be 'staff'.
21:38 mtompset And follow rangi's advice. :)
21:38 mtompset the system user name is koha_{instance name}
21:37 rangi never use the password in koha-conf again after that (except if you delete your real user or something)
21:37 rangi and make a user, and give it superlibrarian permissions, then logout and login with that user instead
21:37 mtompset sudo xmlstarlet sel -t -v 'yazgfs/config/pass' /etc/koha/sites/{the instance name}/koha-conf.xml
21:37 rangi login in with the one in the koha-conf.xml
21:36 jce Next problem: The old username and password doesn't work for the intranet. This is an IP-based installation, it is not accessed over the Internet. I get the logon screen at localhost:8080, but the old username/password doesn't work.
21:25 rangi cool
21:25 jce rangi: Thanks. Rebuilding now.
21:20 rangi no, doing it from your account is ok, as long as you use sudo
21:19 jce Upgraded the database schema successfully. Now I'm going to try rebuilding the zebra index with 'sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v <instance>'. This is installed from Debian packages. Is it correct to sudo this from my regular user account, or am I supposed to log in (or su) as another user?
21:12 jce Assumed Yes and Yes, and it seems to be populating the database. Thanks for the help, rangi.
21:09 jce Ok, it has a command to CREATE DATABASE <Old_Database> and a USE command. Should I get rid of them both? is '--' a comment in an SQL file?
21:06 jce rangi: (assuming you're talking to me, as that seems relevant) Thanks, I'll check that out.
21:05 rangi then it will stop trying to restore to the old database
21:04 rangi take that out
21:04 rangi near the top it will have a line use old database
21:04 rangi edit the .sql
21:04 jce I'm working on a problematic Koha upgrade. Ubuntu 12.04, Koha 3.14. Created a new instance, trying to import old database. Tried 'sudo koha-mysql <instance> < Koha_Backup_localhost.sql'. Got "Access denied for user ... to database '<Name of old database instance>
21:02 magnuse hiya mtompset
21:02 bag :)
21:02 mtompset magnuse, bag: Greetings!
21:01 mtompset Also, jce, sometimes you're more likely to get an answer by asking the mailing lists.
21:01 magnuse :-)
21:01 bag magnuse: HI
21:01 magnuse bag: HI
21:00 mtompset jce, people usually just ask the question, and if someone knows how to help, they'll say. Everyone here generally knows something about Koha.
20:59 cait1 too busy for qa right now, maybe some later this week
20:59 mtompset Greetings, cait1. How goes the QA processing? :)
20:58 jce So, anyone on here know anything about Koha?
20:56 cait1 hm
20:56 cait1 now he is gone...
20:55 cait1 ah
20:55 pianohacker cait1: I'll get rancor on my test server and let you know when it's up later tonight
20:55 pianohacker leaving now, will check in later
20:49 huginn cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.7°C (10:45 PM CEST on May 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
20:49 cait1 @wunder Konstanz
20:44 jce Hey there. Anybody on?
20:31 rangi HdezCortes: im not sure i understand you sorry
20:23 HdezCortes my koha server displaying a page that is not you have to show it can account at the following address 200.88.48.100:8080
20:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
20:11 wahanui bug 11703 is waiting for an answer, I started QA on it :)
20:11 bag bug 11703
20:06 rangi HdezCortes: we wont know if we can help or not, until you ask your question
19:58 HdezCortes Good I have problem with my server Koha Someone can help me??
19:58 Sean In the borrower info on the left side (in checkout or when viewing a patron) is it possible to add expiration date (in the block of data beneath the phone, where name, address, home library, email, etc currently are)?
19:57 pianohacker /join #kohaproject
19:56 bag is right
19:56 rangi too late i already made one :)
19:56 bag nevermind :P
19:56 pianohacker oh nvm
19:56 bag #csmkoha
19:56 pianohacker #fs ?
19:56 khall agreed
19:56 pianohacker makes sense
19:56 bag I’m back
19:56 rangi might be easier in another
19:56 pianohacker we want to meet in #koha or break off into another channel?
19:55 rangi hey
19:55 pianohacker rangi: ping :)
19:55 khall bag had to run to the airport, he should be back soon I hope
19:55 taylorSchmidt Hey guys, happy to be here!
19:54 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
19:54 cait interesting
19:54 cait oh
19:54 pianohacker cait: AngularJS-based AJAX circulation client
19:54 pianohacker khall: don't know where bag went but we have Dawa and taylorSchmidt here
19:54 cait what is the project about?
19:54 cait hi Dawa and taylorSchmidt
19:53 pianohacker And Dawa is the other
19:52 cait pianohacker: ah, i thought maybe there was already something somewhere - worth asking :)
19:51 HdezCortes Good I have problem with my server Koha Someone can help me??
19:51 cait i was asked about a new better cataloguing module...
19:51 pianohacker cait: I can update my test server to the latest set of patches
19:50 cait is there a test installation with rancor maybe?
19:50 cait hi pianohacker
19:50 pianohacker all: taylorSchmidt is one of my group members on the field session project we're doing for Koha
19:50 pianohacker hi taylorSchmidt!
19:35 HdezCortes Someone is in line
19:34 mtompset Greetings, sophie_m.
19:18 nengard *= instead of ^=
19:18 nengard var pgbks_link = td.find("a[href*='http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/']");
19:18 nengard oleonard - fyi:
19:13 nengard :( that means thinking ... no thinking for this brain today :)
19:10 oleonard nengard: I don't know offhand, you'll have to do some tests and/or read the docs on how jQuery's find work
19:08 nengard didn't work either
19:08 nengard and then var ohdbks_link = td.find("a[href^='http://MYLIBRARY/cgi-bin/koha/tracklinks.pl?uri=http://www.gutenberg.org/etext']");
19:08 nengard but that didn't work cause that's not how it starts
19:08 nengard I had var ohdbks_link = td.find("a[href^='http://www.gutenberg.org/etext']");
19:07 nengard the URL is: http://MYLIBRARY/cgi-bin/koha/tracklinks.pl?uri=http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/14600;biblionumber=129144
19:06 nengard and if i make no sense i blame cold meds
19:05 nengard in the URL check
19:05 nengard it doesn't work with track clicks turned on - is it as simple as escaping the ? with a /
19:05 oleonard Sure
19:05 nengard oleonard got a question about your ebook styling code
18:46 mtompset Oh... have you always used the IP address to access it?
18:45 mtompset If it is a corporate machine, do they reset the computers every month to a default installation to avoid viruses?
18:44 HdezCortes no
18:44 mtompset Are you using a different machine?
18:44 HdezCortes mtomset but koha is working well and suddenly became so
18:43 HdezCortes mtomset : pero koha esta funcionan bien y de repente se puso asi
18:43 mtompset where you change whatever-the-name-is to the correct name?
18:43 mtompset So why aren't you using http://whatever-the-name-is:8080/?
18:42 mtompset My guess is that you did a name-based installation which only listened to port 80, and that there is no mention of the IP address in your apache configuration files, so it just passes you back the OPAC all the time.
18:42 HdezCortes KohaInstallGuide
18:40 mtompset (to install it)
18:40 mtompset HdezCortes: Which instructions did you follow?
18:36 HdezCortes I have problem with my server got so koha and not for what reason if someone could help me?? http://200.88.48.100:8080/
18:33 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:25 HdezCortes do not know why he got so
18:25 HdezCortes when I enter my koha server freezes well http://200.88.48.100:8080/
18:24 HdezCortes ok
18:24 markvandenborre maybe they can?
18:23 markvandenborre HdezCortes: sorry, can't help you, but I see that some people seem to be translating the manual to Spanish
18:19 HdezCortes Hola, necesito ayuda quisiera saber si alquien habla español ??
17:55 oleonard-away Shouting "KOHA" is typical Liblime
17:43 ashimema That really is interesting.. they've got links to koha-community.org all over the place.. but it's being presented by liblime... I'll go digging
17:40 ashimema that's interesting indeed.. as I thought they were one of our customers.. and running community
17:07 Dyrcona Oh, then I see the co-sponsors.....
17:06 Dyrcona Well, this is intriguing: http://aims.fao.org/community/open-access/blogs/new-webinaraims-koha-first-open-source-integrated-library-system-ils-ove
17:04 oleonard tcohen++ # nice response in the prog/CCSR removal thread
17:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9724 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Hourly loans don't show time due in SCO
17:01 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 9724: ensure hourly loans show time due in SCO
17:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1752: SUCCESS in 2 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1752/
16:24 wahanui hmmm... good news is it looks like it's running properly.
16:24 ashimema good news.
16:23 pianohacker ashimema: yup, should be in at least a bit more
16:23 talljoy it was. AWESOME.
16:23 druthb thanks, talljoy—Sam caught me mugging for the camera, and it just Worked.
16:22 ashimema does that mean we sohuld expect more of you here again now :)
16:22 pianohacker probably an americanism. Hell if I know
16:22 ashimema oh.. awesome.. congrats.
16:22 pianohacker (walked meaning graduated)
16:22 ashimema 'just walked'.. is than another americanism?
16:21 pianohacker good, just walked! Doing summer session now
16:21 ashimema hows uni?
16:21 ashimema hi pianohacker.. lnog time no see.
16:20 pianohacker !
16:20 pianohacker hi ashimema°
16:16 ashimema :)
16:16 cait that makes me happy
16:16 cait the server is still alive too
16:16 cait ooh
16:16 cait barelyy
16:15 * ashimema sends hugs to cait
16:15 ashimema how'd it go today?
16:15 ashimema cait... your alive..
16:04 talljoy jcamins in?
16:04 talljoy loved it
16:04 talljoy windblown and sassy
16:04 talljoy hi druthb great pic on the FB today!
15:54 cait hi ruth :)
15:53 druthb Hi, cait! *hugs*
15:50 * cait waves
15:50 gaetan_B bye!
15:23 reiveune bye
14:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1752 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9724: ensure hourly loans show time due in SCO <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7bf50600d053238d354ec2989f3fbe542c47aaa>
14:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9016 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Multi transport types for notices
14:31 nengard I'm documenting the code in bug 9016 can someone tell me how 'feed' works?
14:30 ashimema coolios.. I'll report back anything if I run into issue.. otherwise I'll go ahead and sign it off..
14:29 tcohen which I wouldn't
14:29 tcohen exactly, other option would be to use setuid for the apache process
14:28 ashimema which, i think, makes sense for security?
14:28 ashimema :)
14:28 tcohen which we dont seem to be abandoning in a near future :-P
14:28 ashimema ah, I see.
14:28 tcohen we need mpm-itk to implement the user-per-instance schema
14:27 ashimema yeah, I've got into problems with that before.
14:27 tcohen (koha-common depends on mpm-itk, which would fail to install unless you do those steps
14:27 ashimema I'm not really sure what make koha require the specific apache stuff
14:27 tcohen there's nothing we can do about it
14:27 ashimema had a feeling that would be the case..
14:26 tcohen and to install it do: a2dismoe mpm-event ; a2enmod mpm-prefork ; apt-get install apache2-mpm-itk
14:25 tcohen ashimema: due to a bug in apache2-mpm-itk you need to first install it, and then koha-common
14:24 ashimema tcohen, those patches 'look' good to me, but I'm still no package expert. I'm building a set from them now to test they work as expected, but I'm not expecting any failures.
13:55 ashimema it'll spit a hell of a lot onto screen... but with any luck the actualy error will appear for you :)
13:55 nlegrand I'm doing it right now :)
13:54 ashimema ;)
13:54 nlegrand nice
13:54 nlegrand ho !
13:54 ashimema or even -v -v -v
13:54 nlegrand ashimema: it is verbose :(
13:54 ashimema -v -v
13:54 ashimema sorry.. double verbose..
13:54 ashimema try running it in verbose.. you may get a bit more info
13:54 nlegrand :) thanks anyway
13:54 ashimema 'fraid I know no better then.
13:54 ashimema ah, that really is a silent failure.
13:53 nlegrand ashimema: it looks like this: http://pastebin.com/Kjv6g5Xz
13:50 ashimema does it actually stop.. or is it still running.. I sometimes find the merge/commit actions of zebra take a very very long time.. but do eventually complete
13:43 nlegrand does someone have an idea about it?
13:43 nlegrand I'm having a weird trouble with zebra biblios full reindexion, Zebra merge stop silently at =~ 20 %, It seems I have all items in the intranet, but nothing in the opac
13:35 nengard okey dokey
13:34 ashimema I've not come across one yet nengard..
13:34 nlegrand hey koha o/
13:33 ashimema but I'm 'no cait' when it comes to bugzilla ;)
13:33 ashimema I've not come across one yet negard..
13:30 nengard hi all, is there a bug somewhere about not for loan items (aka on order items) showing in the holds queue?
13:28 ashimema will do tcohen.
13:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11404 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , add out-of-the-box support for Apache 2.4
13:27 tcohen ashimema: would you take a look at the patches for bug 11404?
13:03 * druthb has no doubt. Cait is awesome.
13:02 * ashimema wonders how caits course is going
12:58 ashimema eitherway.. it's not an especially important bug.. but a bug none the less in my eyes ;)
12:58 ashimema lost by the finickyness of css then.. as I thought you could do that anyway without the anchor 'Koha' text..
12:56 ashimema hehe..
12:51 * oleonard demands that someone get him an Oculus Rift for Koha testing
12:51 oleonard It's not unreasonable to think that there is a better method now. And if not, then "-5000" could always work for a couple more years ;)
12:49 magnuse oleonard: i trust you a 110% when it comes to css. just wondering... ;-)
12:47 oleonard magnuse: I tried to pick a widely-accepted image-replacement method that had been well-tested.
12:45 oleonard ashimema: Theoretically you could add something like #login h1 { background: url("my-custom-logo.gif") }
12:44 magnuse "visibility: hidden" or something like that wouldn't work?
12:44 ashimema oh well, I'll bow to the styling pro ;)
12:44 ashimema I don't really understand how it's more customizable really either..
12:43 ashimema I've seen it an offset like that before.. never really like it.. seems cludgy.. but I've also never looked into the alternatives.
12:42 wahanui progress is probably good
12:42 oleonard Progress.
12:42 ashimema I see..
12:42 oleonard ashimema: On the other hand, the "-1000px" was implemented at a time when 1000px seemed like a reasonable number of pixels to push something offscreen.
12:40 oleonard ashimema: It's intended to be more customizable and more accessible
12:40 oleonard ashimema: It's a way to replace text with an image via CSS.
12:37 ashimema why not just not have the text in the html in the first place?
12:37 paxed i think that's a pretty common way of moving stuff "away" via css.
12:36 ashimema hmm.. test-indent: -1000px;.. why is it like that?
12:35 ashimema I have a widescreen monitor, so it's probably more prominent for me too ;)
12:34 ashimema and yup..
12:34 ashimema yup..
12:31 oleonard CSS text offset from image replacement? Is your browser maximized?
12:30 ashimema it's been there for ages.. I've never though to mention it before
12:30 ashimema has anyone else ever noticed that during the installer login page, there's a 'Koha' link randomly positioned on the left side of the screen?
12:24 francharb good morning #koha
12:24 tcohen looks good
12:24 tcohen ashimema: np
12:20 ashimema hi oleonard
12:20 oleonard Hi #koha
12:18 ashimema hey tcohen.. I've updated your repo guide on the wiki a tiny bit, just to get version numbering a bit more standard to debian... hope that not treading on toes.
12:12 marcelr hi tcohen
12:10 tcohen morning
11:51 fridolin hi marcelr
11:51 marcelr hi fridolin
11:48 fridolin hie all
11:48 markvandenborre and thanks
11:48 markvandenborre jcamins: found it, sorry, should have looked at that more carefully first
11:42 jcamins It should be in the manual.
11:42 jcamins I don't remember the exact format for the cover image index.
11:41 jcamins You'll have to do it in several batches because the maximum upload size is probably 5mb, but that shouldn't be too bad.
11:41 jcamins There's an option to upload a zip file with all your cover images and an index.
11:41 jcamins That's way more complicated than just using the built-in cover image feature.
11:40 markvandenborre been 10 years since I touched any xslt, but should be possible
11:39 markvandenborre thx for the hint!
11:38 paxed markvandenborre: just copy the stock xslt, and set the syspref to use your own version of it.
11:38 marcelr i once tried something to remove that barrier, but alas
11:38 marcelr true
11:38 paxed marcelr: i know. which is stupid.
11:38 markvandenborre maybe that is indeed the way to go...
11:38 marcelr paxed: you will be happy to see that a new notice must be copied to 10 language folders..
11:37 markvandenborre paxed: I'm trying to keep a koha install as standard as possible
11:37 marcelr yeah
11:37 paxed marcelr: so, both.
11:37 marcelr paxed: your db entry should go to updatedatabase for upgrades and into installer/../.sql for new installs
11:36 paxed if the cover images are in a predictable URL, you could just add the image url in the xslt
11:35 paxed why would you add the book covers into the repo?
11:35 paxed (in the patch, that is)
11:34 markvandenborre I hope a more elegant answer is possible than sql
11:34 paxed if i'm adding a new slip for printing, should the db entry go into updatedatabase.pl?
11:34 markvandenborre any suggestions on how to tackle that one?
11:34 markvandenborre in one batch
11:34 markvandenborre I guess there must be a way to import those cover images into the repo
11:33 markvandenborre I have a consistent directory structure with one pdf per book, and I can reliably run a script to pull the cover page from those pdfs
11:32 markvandenborre I am thinking about cover images
11:12 marcelr may explain your search results
11:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9612 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , SRU Response is different when DOM indexing is enabled
11:12 marcelr magnuse: please have a look at bug 9612 followup
11:11 marcelr hi #koha
11:02 magnuse so it is!
11:02 wahanui i guess lunchtime is a terrible time for a meeting
11:02 magnuse oh well, lunchtime
10:54 magnuse wow, when i connect with yaz-client and do "f something" i get "Memory segmentation fault (core dumped)"
10:50 * magnuse tries a reboot
10:48 khall hi ashimema!
10:48 ashimema hi khall
10:47 khall good day magnuse!
10:47 * magnuse waves to khall
10:24 magnuse and one warning about "when" and "Smartmatch" per record
10:21 magnuse "GetCOinSBiblio called with undefined record at ..." - looks like it is not getting the record from zebra the way it should?
10:20 magnuse havn't looked at the log yet, though
10:18 magnuse nope, no remote xslt :-)
10:11 ashimema somthing else must be the culprit
10:11 ashimema thought you may have foud a bug in it.. after all my testing ;)
10:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Passed QA , Improving code for XSLT handling
10:10 ashimema On second thoughts.. ignore that, bug 11826 hasn't been pushed yet.
10:08 ashimema are you using the remote xslt settings at all..
09:55 magnuse hm, i do wonder why i am not seeing any bibliographic info in results lists on current master? details looks normal. i have done a full reindex...
09:14 magnuse then the one remaining problem is the keyboard...
09:14 magnuse ooh, they ship to norway :-)
09:00 rangi yep
08:59 mtj_ ...world-wide shipping too :)
08:51 mtj_ all the system76 models look awesome
08:39 rangi mtj_: got the galago
08:39 * magnuse waves to mtj_
08:36 mtj_ just having a looky now... :)
08:35 rangi yep, got a system76
08:34 mtj_ hey rangi, did you end up buying a lappy in the US?
08:34 * mtj_ waves to #koha
08:28 magnuse yay
08:24 rangi sweet
08:19 ashimema or rather.. helping others to test packages easier :)
08:19 atheia hi magnuse!
08:18 ashimema yeay, repo working perfectly now :).. that should make my testing of packages easier :)
08:16 ashimema :)
08:15 magnuse hiya atheia
08:15 wahanui hmmm... opl is Oslo Public Library a.k.a. "Deichman" - see http://www.deichman.no/ for their website and http://digital.deichman.no/ for their tech blog
08:15 magnuse opl?
08:15 magnuse opl is Oslo Public Library a.k.a. "Deichman" - see http://www.deichman.no/ for their website and http://digital.deichman.no/ for their tech blog
08:15 atheia Morning ashimema, rangi
08:14 rangi hi atheia
08:14 ashimema morning atheia
08:14 atheia Hello all
08:09 ashimema indeed.. still, reading your code is interesting enough to start with..
08:09 ashimema opl (oslo public library?)
08:09 rangi ahh bummer ashimema
08:09 rangi yep
08:09 ashimema bloody tube strike a week back meant I missed a really interesting sounding meetup with some of the elastic search guru's over here..
08:08 magnuse if the two projects use the same kinds of names for things, it might be easier to interoperate
08:08 magnuse it might be worth thinking about when opl does their development
08:07 rangi so its easy to build a frontend
08:07 rangi it hands out json results
08:07 rangi but the thing with es
08:07 rangi maybe a little work
08:06 rangi i think its a possibility yeah
08:06 ashimema that'd be awesome.
08:05 magnuse it would be super awesome if koha could just use the rdf-indexed-in-es that opl will create
08:04 magnuse w00t :-)
08:04 ashimema :)
08:03 rangi i think magnuse found it first
08:03 ashimema :)
08:02 ashimema rangi++ for finding catmandu++
08:02 rangi yep
08:02 ashimema next random packages question... how does apt count (in terms of version.. I've been following various instructions and have a package names '3.14.06~ptfs1'.. is that gonna be taken as above '3.14.06'..?
08:02 rangi the nice thing is catmandu makes it easy
08:00 rangi its pretty much up to you
08:00 rangi there can be
08:00 magnuse but there will probably be different index names and so on?
07:59 rangi and whatever else you want
07:59 rangi and some dc
07:59 rangi its schema less, you can index rdf and marc in it .. also unimarc and marc21 etc
07:58 rangi magnuse: yep it will
07:57 * magnuse knows next to nothing about ES, yet...
07:57 magnuse or if it will mean a ton of config changes
07:57 magnuse OPL will be indexing their rdf in elasticsearch - i wonder if koha will be able to talk to that
07:56 ashimema excellent.. too mighty important project.. plack and elastic.. that's great to hear
07:56 magnuse eythian++
07:56 rangi its ticking along nicely eythian has been doing most of it lately in between his plack work
07:55 ashimema hows the elastic stuff coming along.. I get excited eery time I hear one of you guys is working on it ;)
07:54 ashimema I know bywater have been testing is too
07:54 ashimema shib still could do with a few more eyes to look over it.. but it's getting closer with every install I do of it.
07:53 ashimema hehe.. indeed.
07:53 rangi sweet
07:53 ashimema one we do a huge number of migrations from ;).. having said that, on this occasion our partners in ireland did the migration part (InterLeaf Technologies).. we're just hosting, and adding shibboleth support (which I hoep to get bmcc to sign off son ;) )
07:53 rangi you could throw mud at a monitor and it would be prettier than that
07:53 rangi ahh that explains it
07:52 ashimema one of the sirsidynix systems.. horizon I think..
07:52 rangi do you know what ils they had before?
07:52 ashimema I'm sure they'll get to it.
07:51 rangi yeah, thats kinda weird
07:50 ashimema looks odd to me ;)
07:50 ashimema they're a strange customer though.. normally we do loads of customisation of the opac for them to make it 'fit' their organisation.. they've stuck with bootstrap out of the box.. not even put anything in the css,js prefs yet..
07:49 ashimema Cheers, I've still got some mopping up to do, but their pretty much live now...
07:49 rangi congrats on the belfast uni btw
07:48 magnuse rangi++
07:48 ashimema I was starting to feel rather stupid
07:47 rangi it will use your koha-common, not the one in the community repo
07:47 ashimema awesome.. thanks rangi.. something so simple!
07:47 ashimema currently, just got wheezy, indexdata and our own.. but not community..
07:47 rangi and as long as your package is numbered higher
07:47 rangi exactly
07:47 ashimema aha.. I need to add the community repo along side my own repo don't I..
07:46 rangi wheezy doesnt have some of the modules we need
07:46 rangi you still have the main debian repos eh?
07:45 rangi thats not your fault
07:45 rangi ah ha
07:45 ashimema At that point, i'm stretching my understanings ;)
07:44 ashimema but, when trying to install koha-common from it i get a whole host of 'Depends: *** but is not going to be installed' errors.
07:44 rangi right
07:44 ashimema and the repository.. sort of works.
07:44 ashimema I am..
07:44 rangi ?
07:44 rangi you are using reprepro
07:42 ashimema Hmm, still on my first foray into hosting a repository for our local deb packages.. any pro's here I could quiz?
07:31 rangi its hard to spot those, but possible to catch a lot
07:30 magnuse hm, i guess it might be possible to have some kind of bot/spider that clicks on every link and looks for double encoded chars?
07:29 rangi yep
07:29 magnuse it's the kind of bug where you sort of have to test *everything*, and that will never happen, of course
07:28 magnuse yay!
07:28 rangi sounds like a plan
07:20 magnuse first patch for 3.17 perhaps?
07:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
07:20 magnuse how can we get bug 11944 in? if it makes sense to the elders, it seems like the kind of thing that just needs to be pushed, and then have the kinks ironed out over time
07:08 magnuse yup
07:07 rangi yeah, both been busy I think
07:03 magnuse long time no see, it feels like
07:03 magnuse hiya rangi
07:03 rangi hiya magnuse
07:02 * magnuse waves again
06:59 rangi hi gaetan_B
06:59 gaetan_B hello !
06:52 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on May 12, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
06:52 magnuse @wunder boo
06:39 wahanui hey, reiveune
06:39 reiveune hello
06:28 * cait waves too
06:00 BobB_ only bobb_waves back :)
05:59 * magnuse waves to BobB and BobB_
05:59 magnuse yeah, guess i'm a bit early today
05:55 dcook Not for another hour :)
05:54 magnuse time to leave work? :-)
05:53 magnuse wassup?
05:53 magnuse yo yo yo dcook
05:51 dcook Yo magnuse
05:51 * magnuse waves
04:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12228 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Sort patron category by description not by code
04:59 paxed bug 12228
04:39 eythian it'd be an easy change.
04:38 paxed even that would be better than sorting by categorycode.
04:37 eythian Besides, I'd be inclined to sort the results by description.
04:37 eythian paxed: Short of imposing your own ordering on the results, "reorder the table" isn't a meaningful sentence.
04:36 paxed eythian: in other words, no way to reorder the table without changing the categorycode.
04:35 eythian Results are ordered, but there's no sensible way to think of a table as ordered.
04:35 eythian ID numbering is only needed when it's needed. If something naturally has a key, you don't need artificial ones. Also, tables aren't ordered.
04:33 paxed yes, ils with blackjack and hookers.
04:28 rangi i reckon you'd be better off just writing your own ils paxed
04:27 paxed (and Yet Another table with no id numbering? *rolleye*)
04:27 paxed ffs. whoever thought it would be good to order the categories-table by the categorycode? ugh.
04:04 dcook Hehe. Fair enough ;)
04:04 mtj i thought i would be a fool to not ask you :p
03:53 mtj all good
03:39 dcook mtj: I sincerely doubt it. I've never even seen the thing.
03:25 mtj dcook, any poss. of your script being submitted to koha?
03:23 mtj anyhoo… thanks for the guys. - i'll have a bit more of a think about it, over the week
03:17 mtj and track/restore your site-specific mods using git
03:14 mtj its not perfect, but its a start
03:14 mtj yeah, thats basically what i'm thinking too
03:13 eythian There was talk of making something that extracted all the user-configurable parts of the koha-conf and re-wrote it from template.
03:13 eythian we don't. if something actually needs it, we do it manually.
03:12 mtj hmm, now i think of it… my solution is not that bad
03:10 dcook We use a script that updates based on a model, but I'm not responsible for that script, so not 100% on the deets
03:09 mtj how do other people in #koha handle this problem?
03:06 dcook Sounds nice :)
03:05 mtj and manually fixing the breakage
03:04 mtj atm, i'm just thinking of a quick/dirty script to use myself
03:04 mtj heh, yeah… :)
03:02 eythian mtj: now try it with zero risk of breakage.
03:01 mtj afaik, its currently a manual task?
03:01 mtj what do peeps think about a script to update/freshen koha conf files, when upgrading?
02:06 rangi yeah you only need delete when you accidentally push your passwords or something, a revert doesnt help you then :)
01:47 dcook mtj: Revert will only undo the original commit. The info will still exist in the history of course
01:47 mtj yeah, this is a def. a private repo
01:47 dcook Didn't eythian post a link a while ago that shows the number of swears on github?
01:46 rangi theres a lot on github that should be deleted :)
01:46 rangi you only need to delete if you accidentally put data that should never be public
01:46 dcook Then if you decide that you actually did want to delete it, revert the revert
01:46 mtj ok, will do :)
01:46 dcook ^
01:45 eythian mtj: revert it
01:45 mtj i have a commit where i delete a directory… now i want that directory back
01:45 dcook I wouldn't mind renaming some commits so that they're easier to find later, but the whole history thing has become more obvious recently as I've been collaborating more on local projects
01:44 dcook [off] Huh...
01:42 eythian [off] http://repo.or.cz/w/wrms.git?a=blob;f=scripts/load-wrms.sql;h=373e08b0988ee21b92e5a012dc59fc7fb94e1b6e;hb=refs/heads/release <-- to undo that sort of thing perhaps
01:41 dcook Not sure why you'd want to delete a commit anyway O_o
01:36 eythian the closest safe thing is to revert it.
01:36 eythian except for rebasing, which then rewrites all the history following
01:35 eythian mtj: there's no such thing as "delete a commit"
01:16 mtj actually... i think my server needs a reboot :)
01:13 mtj hmm, i think my git has a library thats missing
01:10 mtj its been running for about 5 minutes, still going...
01:09 mtj $ git rebase -p --onto SHA^ SHA
01:09 mtj the best i have got via google is..
01:08 mtj …where the commit is quite deep, and the commit SHA is known
01:07 mtj peeps, does anyone have a handy alias to delete a commit, in git?
01:07 mtj .
00:58 mtj wow, i gotta save this for later today :0)
00:56 mtj amazing that i have never spotted this till now...
00:54 mtj ooh, this looks interesting -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Jc8-6UU4Q
00:53 mtj hi #koha