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23:40 eythian http://tumblr.snipe.net/post/81315078252/when-the-vendor-sales-guy-explains-how-their
23:39 mtompset Well, there we go... just 3 bumps, but a koha under 14.04 installed.
23:36 eythian I think that might be a new thing
23:36 eythian oh right
23:35 mtompset wasn't enabled.
23:35 mtompset ah... sudo a2enmod cgi
23:32 mtompset under 14.04
23:32 mtompset seems.
23:32 mtompset But perl isn't configured to run as a CGI script by default it sees.
23:32 mtompset Trying to install Koha.
23:31 eythian what are you doing?
23:31 eythian err
23:31 mtompset eythian: Where's the best place to tell apache to run .pl files as CGI scripts?
23:27 cait good night all
23:25 mtompset Nice... they removed anonymous connections by default. :)
23:25 mtompset is apache 2.4, I believe.
23:25 eythian known bug
23:24 mtompset (under 14.04 beta)
23:24 mtompset Hmmm.... a2ensite is expecting foobar.conf our koha-create only generates foobar.
23:03 eythian might have to do some more investigation when I get the chance.
23:03 eythian hmm
23:02 mtompset I just grabbed the mini.iso today.
23:02 mtompset This was a fresh install.
23:02 mtompset Yes, it did.
23:01 eythian oh yeah, I had something similar on testing, but I haven't tried it on a fresh install to know if it's really the issue.
23:00 gmcharlt did the workaround in the bug description work for you?
23:00 mtompset gmcharlt++ # that was it.
23:00 mtompset bingo!
22:59 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11951: fix OPAC search suggestions template error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c38cf38c973159af2d03c6956d7aede8aebb20d5>
22:58 gmcharlt mtompset: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpm-itk/+bug/1286882
22:57 gmcharlt right, the failure of the post-install step for libapache2-mpm-itk appears to be the immediate problem
22:56 gmcharlt if you've got a fresh VM, I'd be curious what you get if you simply run apt-get install apache2-mpm-itk
22:56 mtompset The post install script bombs, and so it can't be installed?
22:55 gmcharlt the key thing are the first three lines
22:55 gmcharlt not a circular dependency
22:55 mtompset Perhaps because the libapache2-mpm-itk is not the identical version?
22:54 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Something like this..." (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/210
22:53 mtompset There seems to be a bizarre circular dependency which prevents installation.
22:52 gmcharlt is apache2-mpm-itk not packaged for that release of Ubuntu?
22:52 mtompset I wish tcohen was here. I know he was looking into that.
22:52 mtompset Ubuntu's 14.04 BETA fails to sudo apt-get install koha-common because of apache2-mpm-itk.
22:51 mtompset Hmmm... well, this kind of sucks... Ubuntu'
22:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11184: correct attribute cloning for the patron editor <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3334f03d779dc41bac3fe6e25a0d08733fc030ca>
22:30 bag :P
22:30 cait bag: in times of google translate that might not help for long :)
22:30 bag yes items are not in the marc or marcxml
22:30 gmcharlt right - item information is embeded in the MARC only upon (a) export and (b) passing the record to Zebra to be indexed
22:30 cait wajasu: the marcxml in koha doens't have the items afaik - I think only the zebra index has them
22:29 bag cait: you should reply in german - tell them what the weather is like outside
22:29 gmcharlt rangi: I believe the answer to the question, not that I'm inclined to write it up, is that Koha has a variety of more or less friendly web interfaces for setting system parmeters
22:29 rangi i just said, i have no idea what you are asking
22:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10865: (Follow-up) Add CSS style for form hints <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9094b4a1bbff95e0f8e5747a805dacede165bc9a> / bug 10865: (follow-up) allow patrons to make their public lists private when OpacAllo... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7dd0e9a41fd639e86ed32d98d863d605a6ba63e8> / Bug 10865: (follow-up) Move a li tag to avoid overlapping tags <http
22:28 cait yeah, me neither
22:28 bag reply 42
22:27 rangi Which Koha-file is an analogue of the syspar.par file from the package "CDS/ISIS for Windows" ?
22:27 rangi i have no idea what this email means
22:26 wajasu does the marc editor keep the marcxml and tables in sync. so when the biblio export for rebuild happens, the items in the marcxml are in sync, or do we just query the items fromthe DB on needed pages.
22:23 wajasu i would still need to incorporate Hidden like Suppress for biblios that have all items hidden.
22:22 wajasu so that the inital list is not too big.
22:21 wajasu i acually played around with 650a and though 650x could be supplied to the facet heirarchy and later the facet UI could hover and show subdivisions.
22:20 wajasu seeing counters is neat.
22:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12056: fix untranslatable strings in calendar <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0837954cdda85549f5552dacefd3a5bc3e58292e>
22:18 cait compared to the 20 setting that is standard
22:18 cait with the way we do it now
22:18 cait it gets a lot slower
22:18 cait if you do a search for all your records and set the facets to 30000
22:18 cait i think you shoudl see a difference
22:15 wajasu but it would be nice to get feedback on if this helps performance. i only have 30k bibs in my prod.
22:13 * mtompset likes the short versions available as aliases idea. :)
22:12 wajasu ok. thats what i did so far. i can add them as aliases.
22:12 gmcharlt though you can include the shorter versions as aliases
22:12 gmcharlt as it were
22:12 gmcharlt wajasu: I prefer Subject-longer, not su-sh
22:10 wajasu i had to specify new indexes for a couple of subfields. don't know if i should call then Subject-to or su-to for topical? any suggestions? Subject-geo vs su-geo
22:08 cait it's in the koha repository with the sandbox code
22:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12060: remove extraneous tags from header.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7382bee7cdcf289487dd8770add5412b7d44d11e>
22:08 cait it includes unimarc authorities
22:08 cait there is the sandbox database
22:08 gmcharlt wajasu: there's a tiny sample under t/db_dependent/data/unimarc/zebraexport/
22:07 wajasu ok. then i'll invest time in it. any suggestions on how i should test unimarc. just do a dev install with unimarc as choice. are there test unmarc records i can load?
22:06 gmcharlt but unless there is unexpected weirdness in how Zebra calculates facets, I think this is a very reason direction to try
22:05 rangi +1
22:05 gmcharlt also, I'd strongly prefer that new code to parse facets from the Zebra responses be put in a separate routine or routines, not just tacked inside getRecords
22:04 gmcharlt obviously, it needs test cases
22:04 gmcharlt wajasu: my immediate comments upon glancing at it is yes
22:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Retrieve facets from Zebra
22:01 wajasu i put preliminary patch for bug 11232 to dicern if that strategy would be something that would be released, if anyone has time to run it (dev install) and give feedback, i would persue adding UNIMAC and suggested followups.
21:59 gmcharlt but yeah, beyond that sort of thing I think we need to wait
21:58 gmcharlt I've sent out a tweet
21:58 rangi yeah, ok, maybe shelve that til next week
21:52 cait I stll don't know
21:51 cait hm we were wondering at the first meetin gwhen tcohen will be back
21:50 rangi not that ive seen
21:49 cait aprt from the koha lists?
21:49 cait do we know if something has been sent out to other mailing lists so far?
21:49 cait we probably should
21:48 cait true
21:48 rangi cos ... its not long now
21:48 rangi and the registration page again too
21:48 rangi i was wondering if we should just highlight that
21:48 cait hm you mean we should advertise?
21:48 rangi http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon14/call-for-papers/
21:48 rangi well the page is there
21:48 BobB ok, breakfast
21:48 cait what do you have in mind?
21:46 cait rangi: tcohen is still gone, so we didn't talk much about kohacon14
21:46 gmcharlt rangi: neither tcohen nor bgkriegel where here today; are there others involved in the program?
21:46 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_meeting__9_april_2014__part_2.2014-04-09-21.01.log.html
21:46 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_meeting__9_april_2014__part_2.2014-04-09-21.01.txt
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21:46 rangi did we cover kohacon14 call for talks?
21:46 gmcharlt #endmeeting
21:46 gmcharlt OK, thanks everybody!
21:44 gmcharlt OK, any final comments or topics?
21:44 gmcharlt yep
21:43 cait if that makes sense
21:43 cait I think the important bit is to have more people on the pqa witout reduing the eyes on a patch
21:41 rangi yep
21:41 BobB +1
21:41 gmcharlt other than /just/ the pesron pushing
21:41 cait :) +1
21:41 rangi thats my 2cents anyway
21:41 rangi but someone other than the person pushing
21:41 rangi so if RM wants them to pick from things passed qa, push to master .. thats fine, if push to a branch, then merge to master fine too, the important step is that the QA role is still done
21:40 rangi basically that really they should work the way that the RM wants them to work, but that its vital they not short cut QA
21:39 gmcharlt rangi: thoughts on the MM discussion, or shall you just weigh in when I start a therad on koha-devel?
21:39 rangi sounds good to me
21:39 gmcharlt with an emphasis on rmaints
21:39 gmcharlt OK, I'll do as I planned already, and put out a call for final nominations
21:38 BobB woot woot
21:38 rangi yes
21:38 gmcharlt rangi: more generally, is 22 UTC preferable to 21 UCT for you?
21:37 BobB rangi, this is real life! :)
21:37 rangi sorry for being late i was in a real life meeting
21:36 rangi yep
21:36 gmcharlt but it does depend on (at least) a rmaint for 3.12 stepping up
21:36 gmcharlt stable - 2 would be nice, as it's only 1.5 years back
21:36 rangi we would need ot maintain for about that long
21:36 gmcharlt which would translate to 3.16 and 3.14 upon the releae of 3.16
21:35 BobB yeah, two years makes sense
21:35 rangi if we want to get into debian proper and we do
21:35 gmcharlt yeah, I'd think stable and stable -1 would be the bare minimum
21:35 BobB the version one back from current should always be maintained, imo
21:35 rangi maintaining a version for 2 years seems pretty good to me
21:34 gmcharlt I think the big questions are 3.12 and possibly 3.10
21:34 rangi the last release was february
21:34 rangi and is no longer maintained anyway
21:34 rangi 3.8 is only 2 years old
21:34 gmcharlt I have a preference for encouraging folks to not let themselves get too far behind
21:33 rangi no
21:33 rangi neither of those are really valid reasons though, basically maintaining a version while someone is willing to
21:33 mtompset Is 3.8 the Windows XP of Koha?
21:33 BobB somepeople don't upgrade, there are forks etc
21:32 cait as long as someone steps up, the version is maintained
21:32 cait because we have module maintainers for those
21:32 mtompset 3.8, 3.10, ...
21:31 mtompset Why do we have so many "active" versions of Koha?
21:31 thd BobB: Attendence was down at the earlier hour but more active than this presently.
21:31 BobB cool
21:30 cait BobB: yes, I thimk we hit a better time there
21:30 * mtompset goes hunting for agenda.
21:30 mtompset Mmm....
21:30 BobB I hope the first half was a little more active?
21:29 gmcharlt any other questions or discussions?
21:27 gmcharlt #agreed The next general meeting will be 7 May 2014 at 15/22 UTC
21:27 * BobB is waking slowly
21:27 gmcharlt OK
21:26 BobB :)
21:26 cait sounds a lot better
21:25 BobB yes gmcharlt, 22 UTC is 8am ,not 7
21:24 BobB yes, 22 UTC is 8am, not 7
21:22 gmcharlt but it also depends in large part on what structure tcohen wants to work with
21:22 gmcharlt I'll be moving the discussion to koha-devel, where it will have more exposure
21:21 thd gmcharlt: I do not remember the consensus from the earlier meeting on how to further discussion defining the scope of module maintainer roles if such scope would even need to be defined.
21:19 gmcharlt BobB: actually, you're just in time to answer a question regarding scheduling -- would 22 UTC work better for you rather than 21 UTC?
21:19 bag no comments - but I hope I still think
21:19 BobB #info Bob Birchall, sorry I'm late
21:18 gmcharlt thoughts?
21:18 thd OK, I should at least be present for the first time on the day and will plan on starting the process for KohaCon 15 next month.
21:18 gmcharlt so speaking of which, the next general meeting was tentatively scheduled for 7 May at 15:00 / 21:00 UTC, but I suggest that the second part be scheduled for 22:00 UCT
21:16 gmcharlt thd: I think the general meeting as well
21:16 thd gmcharlt: Were you proposing to change next month's second time to 22 UTC or only the meeting for voting on roles?
21:16 gmcharlt so thd, I guess you should plan on doing it
21:16 gmcharlt and based on when we did it last year, that looks like it's soon eough
21:14 gmcharlt thd has volunteered, but can't get started until next month
21:14 gmcharlt at the first meeting we issued a call for volunteers to kick off the Koha 15 selection process
21:14 thd 22 UTC is a problem for me on the first Wed. of the month but I should not really need to attend both times.
21:13 bag agreed
21:13 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett
21:13 gmcharlt #agreed Next dev meeting is scheduled for 23 April at 15:00 UTC and 22:00 UTC. Voting for 3.18 project roles will take place then
21:13 gmcharlt OK, unless there's an object, that's what I'll announce
21:12 barton #info Barton Chittenden, ByWater
21:12 cait agreed
21:11 gmcharlt I'm now thinking that 15/22 UTC may be better than 15/21 UTC
21:11 gmcharlt the next dev meeting is tenatively scheduled for 23 April, and project roles will be voted on there
21:10 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:What_does_a_module_maintainer_do module maintainer discussion
21:10 gmcharlt #info Galen will be posting a query regarding whether 3.12 and earlier releases will continue to be maintained
21:10 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.18 Current 3.18 nominations
21:09 cait heh
21:09 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
21:09 bag +many many many 1's
21:09 bag YES!!!
21:09 gmcharlt hmm, I think we can know swing the vote for the Official Sport of Koha to baseball! ;)
21:08 gmcharlt #info Folks will be trying to highlight the availability of sandboxes and the like to encourage testing of the beta
21:08 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater
21:08 gmcharlt #info 3.14 reelase schedule: 23 April - alpha release; 28 April - feature freeze; 30 April - beta release and soft string freeze; 5 May - firm string freeze; 19 May - RC cut; 22 May general release
21:07 gmcharlt #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2014-April/040419.html Release schedule
21:07 * barton_away is *always* up for something silly.
21:07 gmcharlt #topic Announcements
21:07 gmcharlt OK, give the small attendence, I'll start with repeating the most important announcements
21:06 barton_away heh!
21:06 cait don't go barton...
21:05 cait we should have a vote for something silly :)
21:05 gmcharlt indeed
21:05 cait hm that could be a quick meeting
21:03 indradg #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2, India
21:02 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
21:02 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, 3.16 RM, Equinox, USA
21:02 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
21:02 gmcharlt #topic Introductions
21:02 gmcharlt #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_meeting__9_april_2014__part_1.2014-04-09-15.00.log.html Log from first part
21:02 gmcharlt #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_meeting__9_april_2014__part_1.2014-04-09-15.00.html Minutes from first part
21:02 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_9_April_2014 Agenda
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21:01 gmcharlt #startmeeting General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 2
20:59 gmcharlt dear cat: if you persist in standing in front of my monitor, YOU will get to run the meeting
20:52 cait indradg: this way future changes wouldn't break your auth again
20:51 indradg cait: was considering that
20:51 gmcharlt meeting in 10 minutes
20:50 cait svc directory
20:50 cait you can authenticate using sip2, using ils-di and i think there is also something in the restful api
20:50 cait mabe that would work?
20:50 cait indradg: hm what about using one of the webservices?
20:48 indradg no... squid_db_auth is a part of Squid3, allowing squid to authenticate off a MySQL db
20:47 mtompset is squid_db_auth in Koha's code?
20:47 indradg mtompset: thanks. what I'm trying to do will prolly help... I've a 3.10 to 3.14 upgrade on my hands. as part of service extension, the client wants Squid proxy authentications to work off the 'borrowers' table. I got squid_db_auth working with md5_base64, i need to get it to work with bcrypt as well.
20:43 mtompset Actually the second parameter is a SALT (see Koha::AuthUtils
20:41 mtompset indradg: What's the question? Not that I can help, but I like listening and learning. :)
20:13 oleonard Bye #koha
20:08 cait i think he isn't around yet, might be later
20:07 indradg rangi: ^^^
20:07 indradg cait: thanks :) rangi already nudged me towards bcrypt and away from md5 :-)
20:06 indradg do I have that correct?
20:06 cait indradg: i saw your post on fb, but I think I won't be able to help - maybe ask rangi or papa?
20:06 indradg was looking at the code, and it seems that passwd match is being done by calling hash_password with two param - a) the passwd entered by the user and b) the stored passwd hash in the db for that user
20:05 indradg i need a spot of help with the bcrypt password hashes in 'borrowers'
20:04 indradg hi #koha
20:03 cait maybe next weke
20:03 cait then it would be easier to fix the conflict (once i have learned how to do the compiling)
20:03 cait but maybe we could have the css change separate?
20:03 cait i know you don't like separate patches...
20:02 oleonard But from now on opac.css will *always* conflict if there are changes to a less file because it is minified.
20:01 cait so i was not too evil for setting it to pda
20:01 cait ah
20:01 oleonard Yes
20:01 cait did fixing it...
20:01 cait oleonard: the fixing it include doing less compiling? I am never quite sure right now
20:01 cait oh one more hour to the next
20:00 cait heh
19:59 * oleonard didn't like being on the list of "patch doesn't apply" people mentioned during the meeting ;)
19:58 cait thx for fixing the list permission bug
19:58 cait but that's an old argument, i think there are valid points to both sides :) and it's pqa
19:57 cait but when you look at it later in the git repo or on bugzilla it's much harder to tell
19:57 cait i did that as well
19:57 oleonard I use the -w flag with git diff
19:56 oleonard I disagree
19:56 cait :)
19:56 cait next time maybe 2 patces? one whitespace and one the changes?
19:54 mtompset Thanks, cait. :)
19:54 cait i am about to pass it :)
19:54 cait was just wondering if I missed something
19:54 cait true :)
19:54 oleonard cait: But you might encounter different validation problems on other pages, so at least the test plan is specific.
19:53 mtompset It is. I just checked on the calendar page, because that is where I encountered it.
19:53 cait isn't htat used on all pages?
19:53 cait mtompset: why the calendar page for the header change?
19:51 cait so the size of the modal doesn't bother me too much right now
19:51 mtompset I'm not going to delay something that does what it says it is intended to do and solves an immediate problem.
19:51 cait i think it's unlikely that you will have more than 1/2 authentication methods used at a time
19:50 oleonard That was my thought as well cait based on what I saw
19:50 mtompset I already noted my concern.
19:50 cait and the design could still be improved later
19:50 cait hm not sure of it's worth delaying - it's a real problem for CAS users
19:49 oleonard mtompset: I haven't looked at it carefully. If you're really concerned about it you could put it "In discussion" in order to delay it from getting pushed. I can't look at it today.
19:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12046 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Authentication using CAS - bootstrap
19:47 mtompset oleonard: What do you think of bug 12046? -- It essentially increases the size of the login modal for bootstrap.
19:47 cait but i am still fighting! :)
19:47 cait and you try to get my queue over 70 again!
19:46 mtompset Wow. I feel like I'm harassing oleonard today with questions and requests.
19:44 * cait installs a new plugin :)
19:42 mtompset Almost done a sign off for 12056.
19:42 mtompset Thanks for the sign off.
19:42 mtompset ^which^wish^
19:42 mtompset oleonard: which you had told me about this BEFORE I tested my changes the hard way. :P
19:36 mtompset Nice... saves the whole cut and pasting step. :)
19:34 mtompset Giving the addon a whirl, oleonard. :)
19:31 oleonard mtompset: If you are interested in testing templates for validity I recommend the Html Validator plugin for Firefox (http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/)
19:10 mtompset Yes, but I was only concerned about the /li and /div tags.
19:00 oleonard header.inc is interesting in that it offers logic for what to display if you are not logged in but that case never executes.
18:59 mtompset Still the perception may be the same. ;)
18:58 oleonard If that were true my git repo wouldn't have so many languishing unfinished branches
18:57 mtompset I think oleonard is admitting to the latter design. ;)
18:56 mtompset This reminds me of "the god chip" discussions I used to have in the computer science club. You could either have all knowledge statically accessible and deliverable instantly or you could have one which is able to solve the problem instantly and deliver the answer instantly. Both cases look identical, but the implementations are different.
18:54 oleonard Maybe in my head, but not in reality
18:54 * mtompset nods.
18:54 cait :)
18:54 * cait thinks oleonard has a patch for everything
18:53 mtompset don't tell me... you have a patch for that already elsewhere?
18:52 oleonard Sure. Those errors have been around for a while and I keep pointedly ignoring them ;)
18:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12060 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Indentation issues allow markup errors in header.inc
18:52 mtompset oleonard: Since we care about markup standards, I figured I'd validate the tools/holidays page while testing 12056. I found markup issues in header.inc as well. Care to test bug 12060? :)
18:50 mtompset I think you may use twitter too much, bag. ;)
18:41 bag cait++
18:41 huginn bag: I've exhausted my database of quotes
18:41 bag @cait++
18:36 cait :)
18:20 rocio I have a script that will update the message prefs, but couldn't get the Digest preference to actually stick! yes, this is very helpful!
18:19 cait sure, hope it helps :)
18:19 rocio thank you very much cait :)
18:19 rocio ah! I see!
18:18 cait it never changes settings for existing patrons
18:18 cait rocio: yes,but only for new patrons
18:15 rocio can somebody help me with a patron messaging preferences question? it's my understanding that in the patron categories, Email has to be checked in order for Digest to be checked as well. is this correct? and once both are checked, patrons will only receive the digest version of the email?
18:00 mtompset Okay. Eyeballs well. :)
17:55 mtompset I misread. Sorry.
17:54 mtompset Let me recheck... maybe I read the wrong side...
17:53 oleonard Not intentionally
17:53 mtompset you changed a 1st to a 1, but I saw you add st in another case.
17:52 mtompset Oh, I was wondering about line 349.
17:52 oleonard There were instances of 1st and 10st. I thought it was easier to just drop the st rather than correct it
17:51 mtompset oleonard: How did you decide between 1st vs. 1 use?
17:48 mtompset Oops... wrong standard.
17:48 oleonard In HTML 4, yes. Not in HTML 5
17:47 mtompset granted no functionality, but invalid markup? http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#edef-A -- There is a name attribute.
17:45 oleonard it does not provide functionality and it is invalid markup
17:45 mtompset oleonard: Why did you remove the name="cancel2"?
17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12056 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Untranslatable strings in calendar
17:25 paxed bug 12056
17:22 mtompset reference?
17:21 mtompset Ah. Okay.
17:21 cait :)
17:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12055 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Typo "holdiay" in calendar
17:21 oleonard mtompset: Bug 12055 is assigned to me because I have a fix in for it as part of another patch
17:17 Brooke o/
17:14 oleonard Right. We don't update the po files as we go.
17:13 mtompset Okay... ignore the po files, leave it to the translators. :)
17:11 oleonard If a string is changed or added, the po file shows it as a new (or possibly fuzzy) string which requires translator attention.
17:09 mtompset Because I'd generally assume that translator's would catch the typo and put the correct translation, and that fixing the id string would be okay.
17:09 oleonard Specifically, the po file gets updated after string freeze during the release process
17:08 oleonard mtompset: When the English templates are updated the po file gets updated, and new strings get classified as needing translation
17:08 mtompset So, you don't have to fix the po files, when you correct a typo?
17:08 slef mtompset: in other projects, the tools help but the translators still have to confirm that their translated string didn't change.
17:07 mtompset I have a question about typographical mistakes in a template. If there is a typo in the english template, and there are a lot of translated templates that use that typo. How do the translated templates get fixed? Do they each have to be fixed manually to correct the bad msgstrid (or whatever it is)?
17:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Needs Signoff , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
17:04 wahanui i heard bug 8375 was surposed to fix something, and it's on the right track, but not sufficiant to make utf-8 work.
17:04 slef bug 8375
17:04 slef #8375
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16:38 cait_afk back
16:14 fridolin see you, have a nice evening
16:09 cait bbl
16:05 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.16
16:05 peggy Thanks!
16:05 wajasu ok
16:05 cait check roles 3.16 on the wiki
16:05 wajasu is there a place that shows the current roles(RM, Qa, MM, etc) . or maybe a bot command that could list them?
16:04 cait gmcharlt++
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16:04 gmcharlt #endmeeting
16:04 gmcharlt thanks, everybody
16:03 gmcharlt agreed
16:03 Joubu k thanks. Maybe should we put them on the wiki
16:03 gmcharlt I'll see if I can recover them
16:03 gmcharlt Joubu: ah
16:02 Joubu 3d, 3e
16:02 Joubu http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/dev_meeting__12_march_2014__part_2.2014-03-12-21.25.html
16:02 Joubu the paste is not accessible anymore :-/
16:02 Joubu does someone copied the 2 "AGREED" from last meeting?
16:02 gmcharlt Joubu: go for it
16:02 Joubu gmcharlt: yep
16:02 Bruce_ I'll try to clear first Wednesdays then.
16:01 gmcharlt any last minute topics?
16:01 thd Bruce_: as a future guide there has been a preference for the first or early Wednesday in a month.
16:01 gmcharlt #agreed (pending confirmation) the next general meeting will be on 7 May at 15:00 / 21:00 UTC
16:00 slef +1
16:00 Bruce_ My calendar just books up more than a month ahead.
16:00 Bruce_ Sorry, wrong fingers. Make that a 0.
16:00 cait :)
16:00 gmcharlt or is it the date?
15:59 cait Bruce_: just interested - you don't want the plit meetings are are both times inconvenient?
15:59 oleonard +1
15:59 thd +1
15:59 gmcharlt oleonard: indeed - I'm proposing 15:00 UTC and 21:00 UTC
15:59 Bruce_ -1
15:59 peggy +1
15:59 cait +1
15:59 cait ü1
15:58 oleonard Same two times?
15:58 thd What hours?
15:58 cait ok for me
15:57 gmcharlt how does 7 May soudn to folks?
15:57 thd gremlins swallowed some of my words there.
15:57 gmcharlt #topic Set time and date of the next General IRC meeting
15:57 gmcharlt so
15:57 gmcharlt OK, we've set a date for the enxt developer meeting
15:57 gmcharlt and bug people via email if no volunteer shows up (thd, we'll keep your offer in mind)
15:56 thd s done by next month, then I volunteer, but unfortunately I am severely overcommitted this month.
15:56 gmcharlt OK - I'll ask again at the second part of the meeting
15:55 gmcharlt thd: at least initially, sending an email to the list soliciting bids, and managing the wiki pages related to site selection
15:54 thd What does "kicking off" entail?
15:53 gmcharlt *off
15:53 gmcharlt do we have a volunteer to kick it of?
15:53 gmcharlt it's probably time to start the site selection process
15:53 gmcharlt #topic KohaCon 15
15:52 gmcharlt so
15:52 gmcharlt which I think will be short since neither tcohen or bgkriegel are here
15:52 thd +1
15:52 gmcharlt #topic KohaCon 14 update
15:52 gmcharlt moving on
15:51 gmcharlt #agreed (pending confirmation) the next dev meeting will be scheduled for 23 April. Project roles for 3.18 will be voted on then.
15:51 gmcharlt +1
15:51 cait +1
15:51 Bruce_ +1
15:50 peggy Sounds good
15:50 gmcharlt with the two-part schedule, and as a (small) agenda item, hold the vote then
15:50 gmcharlt to wit: schedule the next dev meeting for Wednesday the 23rd
15:50 druthb http://gaspull.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Grey-Lantern.jpg
15:50 gmcharlt actually, I have a thought on how to be more efficent
15:50 slef either is OK with me
15:49 gmcharlt indeed
15:49 Bruce_ I'm hearing a great roar of indifference.
15:49 cait I think i have a slight preference for irc - but that might just be me :)
15:48 gmcharlt what do folks prefer?
15:48 gmcharlt alternatively, we could just do an email thread
15:47 gmcharlt so to that idea, I propose that we hold an IRC meeting next Wednesday to vote
15:47 gmcharlt regardless, I think part of that can be deferred, as the MMs don't need to be in place right away
15:47 reiveune bye
15:47 gmcharlt *weigh in
15:47 gmcharlt agreed, he should weight in
15:46 Joubu It could be great to know how he defines a MM
15:44 gmcharlt I don't see that we have any contested elections; I think it's just a matter of formalizing the selection
15:44 Joubu he left for 3 weeks I think
15:43 ColinC ls -al
15:43 Bruce_ Does anyone expect another candidate to appear in the next week?
15:43 gmcharlt right
15:43 cait quite sure he told me, but I can't remember :(
15:43 cait no other candidate
15:43 cait I am not sure when he returns - but I think we have voted for people not being present in the past. And the situation didn't change since he left
15:43 gmcharlt do we know when tcohen will be back?
15:42 thd However, we have in the past filled seats for which there were candidates on the designated day.
15:42 Joubu Maybe should we wait for Tomas?
15:41 gmcharlt cait: sounds reasonable to me
15:41 gmcharlt I don't think today is really an option given (a) lack of notice and (b) the potential need for at least one more RMaint
15:41 * cait suggests a date next week - only topic elections?
15:40 gmcharlt OK, the final topic relating to project roles... when/how do we want to hold the formal elecctions?
15:40 thd +1
15:39 slef 0
15:39 peggy +1
15:39 jwagner +1
15:39 oleonard +1
15:39 Joubu +1
15:39 ColinC +1
15:39 cait +1
15:39 Bruce_ +1
15:39 gmcharlt +1/0/-1 on the general idea of having module maintainers?
15:39 gmcharlt a quick straw poll
15:39 gmcharlt #action Galen will move the MM discussion to koha-devel
15:38 gmcharlt e.g., rescue failed-QA patches, do code cleanup, and the like
15:37 gmcharlt in addition, I think it would be good for MMs to actively manage pre-QA patches
15:37 gmcharlt new behavior: the RM can review and push it, or the relevant MM can review and push it, but MM and RM must communicate
15:37 gmcharlt old behavior: only the RM can review and push it
15:37 gmcharlt patch passes QA
15:37 gmcharlt to restate another way
15:36 gmcharlt right
15:36 cait so hopefully taking some of the weight from the RM - that's how i understand
15:36 cait the MM can also work on patches in PQA
15:35 oleonard How would the process be different between MM and standard QA workflow?
15:35 gmcharlt but overall, I think the MM concept has value, *provided* that it doesn't become an excuse to bypass QA
15:35 cait +1
15:34 gmcharlt slef: yes, I think RM oversight is key -- specifically, an RM should have the right to tell an MM to back off or switch to using pull rqeuests rather than pushing directly
15:34 * slef leaves the option of wahanui as RM open
15:34 slef he/she/it
15:34 gmcharlt I think the developing consensus so far as that MMs are folks who take responsibility for certain areas, have the authority (in conjunction with the RM) to push to master for those areas, but do not bypass the review and QA requirements
15:34 slef Isn't it largely up to the RM to organise the team as he wants, though?
15:33 slef I'd appreciate that because I rarely have my wiki login handy now we don't have openid
15:32 gmcharlt though I'm inclined to move that over to koha-devel
15:32 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:What_does_a_module_maintainer_do module maintainer discussion
15:32 gmcharlt http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:What_does_a_module_maintainer_do
15:32 gmcharlt some discussion about it has occurred here
15:32 gmcharlt specifically, a module maintainer
15:31 gmcharlt next thing - a new type of role is being discussed more seriously
15:31 gmcharlt #action Galen will send a query to koha-devel regarding status of 3.12, 3.10, and 3.8
15:31 cait hm?
15:31 slef cait: ok, I bow to you
15:31 gmcharlt cool
15:30 Joubu gmcharlt: yep, we can remove the reset --hard origin/master at midnight :)
15:30 cait slef: shouldn't hurt if they run on master instead of beta - testing master after beta cut would also be helpful
15:30 gmcharlt Joubu: is it easy to pin a couple of them to a beta tag when the time comes?
15:29 Joubu slef: yes, they run master.
15:29 gmcharlt (and the same for 3.10 and 3.8, though more likely it would be EOL for those)
15:29 gmcharlt I'm incilned to write an email to koha-devel, then, specifically asking for somebody to step up, or for us to declare EOL of 3.12
15:29 slef cait: got any funding? ;-)
15:29 slef Joubu: Sorry, I've been away. Don't they run master rather than a beta or RC?
15:27 cait we are still running it... probably for a bit longer... so I would be happy if we got someone
15:27 slef NAFAIK but I will ask what I think is our last 3.12 library if they're going to agree an upgrade date with us or if they want to fund maintenance ;-)
15:27 gmcharlt and if so, is there somebody interested in being RMaint for that release?
15:26 gmcharlt first -- is there interesting in maintaining 3.12 further?
15:26 gmcharlt so a couple things I'd like to point out
15:26 gmcharlt as well as translation manager, doc manager, QA manager, and QA team members
15:26 Joubu slef: all sandboxes listed on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes#Available_Sandboxes are available
15:26 gmcharlt as it stands now, we have candidates for RM and RMaints for the two most recent stable branches
15:25 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.18 Current 3.18 nominations
15:25 gmcharlt #topic Nominations for roles for 3.18
15:25 gmcharlt OK, time to move on in the agenda
15:23 * gmcharlt will also specifically request beta testing to be done by a couple of our customers who are generally willing to do that sort of thing
15:22 slef I'm happy to mail our libraries asking for testing if there's a beta sandbox available.
15:22 gmcharlt by and large, although I thik most of us have at least a couple customers apiece who are engaged enough to respond to a request to test a beta
15:22 Bruce_ Would an additional (funded) sandbox help?
15:22 Joubu but maybe I am wrong, I don't know
15:21 Joubu I think the only person to test pre release versions are developpers
15:21 cait #idea highlight sandboxes and demos running the beta for testers
15:21 cait :)
15:21 cait maybe when you write the email - include some links to demos or a setup sandbox?
15:21 gmcharlt but yeah, beta sandboxes would be nice, and highlighting some of the master demos
15:20 cait to make it easier? but some of the demos arealso running master
15:20 gmcharlt Joubu: to be blunt, I'm pretty sure that folks don't in general test as much as we would like them to, but I'll try to encourage people to test the beta
15:20 slef Just for context, I think I've up to 7 hours available to get back up to speed on koha-community this month, less the time in this meeting.
15:20 cait Joubu: we can't really force people to - maybe we could reserve a sandbox?
15:19 Joubu Are you sure someone test beta versions?
15:19 cait slef: I am torn there - i think both have gems
15:19 gmcharlt slef: my preference would be for you to glance at does not apply to see if there are any obvious wins, but to focus on needs signoff
15:19 oleonard slef: I would think needs signoff
15:19 gmcharlt slef: yes, everybody can use #idea
15:18 slef would people prefer me to work on needs signoff or does not apply?
15:18 cait yeah, but i think having a few votes for starting it again could help persuade him
15:18 gmcharlt and/or bribe with cookies and chocolate
15:18 gmcharlt cait: something to discuss with rangi, I imagine
15:18 thd Yes of course.
15:17 gmcharlt testing of the RC is mostly just to verify that there aren't stupid errors
15:17 cait I'd like to see it back in action actually, and even improved to run qa script and tests automatically
15:17 * slef wonders if he can declare #idea
15:17 gmcharlt thd: to be clear, extensive testing should being with the beta release, and I'll make an announcement to that effect
15:17 cait I think someone complained it was turned off
15:17 slef #idea it might be worth RM or similar to declare "I am particularly keen to see the following list fixed by anyone:"
15:17 oleonard Whatever happened to the patch-applying bot?
15:17 gmcharlt slef: yes, that's a thought I'll take up
15:16 slef might be worth RM or similar to declare "I am particularly keen to see the following list fixed by anyone:"
15:16 gmcharlt although there are probably at least a few useful contributions from casual contributors in that status that just need somebody to deal with the merge conflict
15:16 thd The time between RC and general release seems very short for testing , although, it may be based on some similar time having been passed and no stopping bugs found.
15:16 gmcharlt yeah, I'm thinking more about the failed QA, not the patch-does-not-apply
15:16 cait i was talking about the 170 signed off
15:16 gmcharlt thought at the moment I'm not sure whether we have mroe than a title to offer
15:15 cait oh sorry, confused the queues
15:15 oleonard I don't see why another dev couldn't fix conflicts if they really wanted to
15:15 gmcharlt perhaps that's a project role to consider: Official Kitten Rescuer
15:15 gmcharlt no
15:14 cait i am not sure there is a plan, we had it down to around a 100 after the hackfest, but it came back up quickly
15:14 slef cait: sure, but the original developers or is it open season?
15:14 cait slef: hoping for someone to gett of their backsides? ;)
15:13 slef What's the plan for those 180 and 36?
15:13 slef Need Signoff needs ad-hoc developers to get off our lazy backsides and do some initial reviewing
15:13 gmcharlt magnuse: is a GBSD in the works, perchance?
15:13 slef #info correction: 170 needs signoff, 68 waiting for QA, 180 failed QA, 36 Patch Does Not Apply
15:12 slef gotcha
15:12 slef oh is that "170, 52 of which"?
15:12 cait slef: 170 is including the 52 :)
15:12 slef #info 170+52 needs signoff, 68+21 waiting for QA, 180 failed QA, 36 Patch Does Not Apply
15:12 cait #info 170 needs signoff, 68 signed off currently
15:11 gmcharlt yep
15:11 slef oh my bad, scroll down
15:11 slef ok, I'm not seeing stats on the dashboard so I'm grubbing around
15:11 cait There are still a lot of things waiting for sign off that would be nice additions to 3.16... and the new cataloguing editor needs testing I think?
15:10 gmcharlt slef++
15:10 Bruce_ translations are appreciated
15:10 gmcharlt questions for me?
15:09 gmcharlt ah, gotcha
15:09 slef gmcharlt: I know, just making sure wahanui is uptodate
15:09 gmcharlt correct
15:09 slef RC is Release Candidate
15:09 slef PQA is Passed Quality Assurance
15:09 gmcharlt #info General release will occur on Thursday, 22 May
15:09 gmcharlt #info RC will be cut on Monday, 19 May
15:09 gmcharlt #info Firm string freeze starts on Monday, 5 April
15:08 gmcharlt #info Beta release will be cut on Wednesday, 30 April; soft string freeze starts then as well
15:08 gmcharlt #info Feature freeze scheduled for Monday, 28 April - new features & enhancements must have reached PQA by then to be considered, with leeway giving to the new cataloging editor
15:07 cait gmcharlt++
15:07 gmcharlt #info Alpha release scheduled for Wednesday, 23 April - RM will clear PQA queue by then
15:07 gmcharlt #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2014-April/040419.html Release schedule
15:07 gmcharlt #topic Update on 3.16
15:07 gmcharlt ok, guess that's it
15:06 slef cait++
15:06 gmcharlt #info Koha 3.14.5 was released on 26 March 2014
15:06 gmcharlt #info Koha 3.12.12 was released on 24 March 2014
15:05 cait #info today's agenda: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_9_April_2014
15:05 gmcharlt any RMaints around to give updates?
15:05 gmcharlt #topic Updates on 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, 3.14
15:05 gmcharlt #topic Updates on 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, 3.14, and 3.16
15:05 gmcharlt I'm going to merge the next few agenda items, thus:
15:04 gmcharlt thanks
15:04 indradg #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2, India
15:03 peggy #info Peggy Thrasher, NH USA
15:03 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England
15:02 mduncan #info Margo Duncan, UT Tyler, USA
15:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
15:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France
15:01 ColinC #info Colin Campbelll, PTFS Europe Ltd
15:01 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
15:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
15:00 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, 3.16 RM, Equinox Software, USA
15:00 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
15:00 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
15:00 gmcharlt #topic Introductions
15:00 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_9_April_2014 Agenda
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14:57 * cait is ready :)
14:57 gmcharlt meeting now in 4 minutes ;)
14:49 cait I think so
14:49 oleonard Meeting in 10 minutes?
14:38 cait lol
14:38 druthb :P
14:38 druthb Throws a Coast Guard Approved flotation device to cait.
14:31 cait :)
14:30 Joubu yes!
14:30 cait worried i might drown? :)
14:29 Joubu no, don't dive again!
14:28 * cait sends Joubu some cookies and dives back into tax calculation
14:28 Joubu :)
14:28 cait really, ignore me... I think we need to leave the question about which prices are accounted for in the funds for other bugs
14:27 Joubu unit price ?
14:26 cait Joubu: just ignore me...
14:24 cait Joubu: the funds view seems correct - i have all 10.00 in the databaes as unitcost - I just don't understand why :(
14:16 cait but hm.
14:16 cait Joubu: I think that the question of the library having to pay tax or not has to be somehow factored in - and maybe it's the tax number registered.... but I am not sure. Then we would knwo when the tax has to be taken into account for the estimated and the actual cost...
14:12 cait nightmare.
14:11 cait it's just that everything doesn't seem to fit well together, once you look at estimated/actual cost
14:11 cait which is ok I think so far - i will try to do a bit more testing, but it doesn't look bad
14:10 cait yeah, your work calculates correctly for the entered list price
14:10 Joubu yes, I don't know (at all...) if prices are correctly calculated for the 4 possibles cases
14:10 cait it seems it should have a function
14:10 cait but i am not sure
14:10 cait to determine if the library pays the tax or not
14:10 cait I have the idea that the tax number registered was once used
14:09 cait but it would be nice
14:09 cait not sure that will be simple :)
14:09 Joubu I really hope to have a simple view, with all different cases, all differents screens. With all values well defined.
14:09 cait not sure.
14:09 cait also i have the feeling like the estimated prices we calculate are not quite right...
14:08 cait centralized logic
14:08 cait yeah...
14:08 Joubu because it is really a nightmare currently, nothing is factorize and the logic is... not logic
14:08 cait i will run some more tests, sorry for being a pain about this
14:08 cait i think it's not even clear how this all shoudl work... makes it really hard
14:07 Joubu cait: we (BibLibre) will try to reconsider/rewrite the price/tax calculation in Koha.
14:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4831 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, srdjan, CLOSED FIXED, Actual Price being ignored after receive
14:07 cait i think what i see looks like a return of bug 4831
14:06 Joubu arf, I forgot this one
14:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10461 major, P5 - low, ---, koha, Needs Signoff , tax not taken in to account in the acq budget summaries
14:05 cait maybe part of my problem is bug 10461
14:04 cait and the lists with orders you reach directly from the start page
14:04 cait the 'newer' :) there is the acquisitions > funds overview
14:04 Joubu the "new" fund view?
14:04 cait i mean the amounts match, it just doesn't seem to make sense :(
14:03 cait i think so, it's the same for the new fund view tho
14:02 Joubu I should have a look at the 2 pages. It seems they don't have changed since a long time
14:02 Joubu yep
14:02 cait Joubu: ordered/spent - whenyou click on the fund on the acq home page
14:00 cait when i received the orders, the calculated price it gave me varied, from 9.09 to 11.00 - i am still trying to wrap my mind around it
14:00 cait 10.00 was the list price i used for all 4 orders
14:00 cait yeah
14:00 Joubu cait: it shows 10 on the ordered/spent screens?
14:00 cait but at least with your patch it seems more consistent
13:59 cait this whole tax thing is a black hole
13:59 cait i have actual prices that vary from 9.09 to 11.00 but it still shows always the 10
13:59 cait actual price = what you really paid
13:58 cait I always thought estimated price = what you think you have to pay
13:58 Joubu i am not sure which one is used on this screen
13:58 cait Joubu: sorry if i am confusing
13:57 cait but it should use the actual price I think?
13:57 cait always says 10 - which was my list price
13:57 cait for example the spent list, that i see now after I received all my baskets
13:56 cait also if you look at the ordered/spent lists for a fund
13:56 cait ok
13:56 Joubu yes, the columns are all displayed. Which is quite stupid/useless in some cases
13:55 cait because we calculate it, but it seems only for display?
13:55 cait does that mean that the library does not have to pay the tax
13:55 cait if the list price and the invoice price are without taxes
13:54 cait so i wonder
13:54 cait i am in the final stages of testing the gst bugs (got interrupted before)
13:54 Joubu cait: yep
13:52 cait Joubu: still around?
13:25 cait oleonard++
12:55 francharb_ morning
12:49 nengard morning oleonard
12:49 oleonard good morning nengard
12:44 oleonard Working on those now.
12:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Typo "holdiay" in calendar
12:43 paxed also bug 12055
12:43 oleonard Got it, thanks!
12:42 paxed those strings show up when you hover over holiday'd days on the calendar grid
12:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12056 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Untranslatable strings in calendar
12:41 oleonard Hi paxed, I wondered how Bug 12056 is observable
12:41 paxed yes?
12:41 oleonard paxed here?
12:20 oleonard Hi everyone
11:49 cait bg
11:22 khan cait: you there?
11:04 khan i am not familier with ubuntu or Koha but i really want to learn
11:04 khan that's how i am using it
11:02 khan I have download koha 3.12 live dvd and installed it
11:02 cait 3.14 is the current stable version
11:02 cait 3.10 is very outdated
11:02 khan i was looking for koha live dvd/cd for 3.10 but i couldn't find it any where...
10:58 khan ok
10:57 cait you can also contact people over the mailing lists, but you shouldn't contact me personally
10:56 khan Hey how can i communicate with you without this system
10:56 khan great
10:55 cait like you owuld have with phpmyadmin
10:55 cait the plus is that you don't need to change things with apache
10:54 cait then you need your database connection data and it should work
10:54 khan i was downloding that
10:53 cait as a graphical interface
10:53 cait i normally use mysql workbench
10:53 cait I have never done it
10:53 khan ?
10:53 khan how i can do that
10:53 cait maybe with your update that got overwritten
10:53 khan ok
10:53 cait it's a separate program
10:53 cait it doesn't come with standard koha
10:52 cait then someone installed phpmyadmin
10:52 cait hm
10:52 khan in 3.10 if i just write aftet172.0.1.1:8080/phpmyadmin i can see the database
10:51 khan got it
10:50 cait you can't change the data there, but you can see what's in the tables
10:50 cait it's in the reports module
10:50 khan how?
10:49 cait you can create sql reports from within Koha if you want to see the data
10:48 khan yes
10:48 cait so Koha is working, that's good
10:48 khan yes i can create patron library book item
10:45 cait khan: so you installed Koha - are you able to access the catalog and the staff interface?
10:45 khan cait: i want to see and work with it but i can't even see database
10:45 cait i will continue testing, hopefully not getting confused by math again :)
10:44 Joubu cait: ok great :)
10:44 cait Joubu: the good news then is that what koha displays is right on the page :)
10:43 cait if you are using linux maybe take a look at tools like mysql workbench?
10:43 Joubu I searched a document I don't find :-/
10:43 cait khan: that's ok, but do you want to just see how the data in the database looks like? are you trying to migrate data? do you just want to see the contents of the tables or do you want to make changes?
10:42 khan me
10:42 khan cait: this is kind of a assignment for mr
10:42 cait :)
10:42 cait Joubu: sorry for bothering you, i see now where assumption was wrong
10:41 khan cait: i am trying to manage a library
10:41 cait gah.
10:41 cait 10% of 10 are 0.10... 9.90 + 10% are 9.90 +.99 so 10.89
10:40 cait you are right
10:40 cait oooh
10:39 cait maybe my calculation is wrong? that's why I am asking... not sure where i am wrong and where Koha is
10:39 cait if it's 9.90 ecluded the 10%
10:39 cait i'd think that the price including tax should be 10.00 then
10:39 cait yes
10:39 Joubu so 9.9/10, no ?
10:39 cait hm no i have 0.10 in my gist
10:38 Joubu GST = 10 % price
10:38 cait not in reality in germany
10:38 cait 10% for easier testing
10:38 Joubu cait: why do you want GST=0.1 ?
10:37 cait Joubu: i know i am supposed to check the invoice page - and i wlil do that of course
10:36 cait [off] https://librarygeekgirl.ssl-secured-server.de/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=30a6f13bb67f41eb8e6141caa417a018
10:35 cait posting a screenshot, one sec
10:35 cait that makes it so confusing
10:35 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
10:35 cait Joubu: very true
10:35 Joubu cait: all is possible with prices calculation...
10:35 khan for being rude
10:34 khan sorry
10:34 khan OK
10:34 cait khan: it's not a crime, but i might be able to give better advice by knowing what you are trying to achieve
10:34 khan great
10:34 cait is it possible that the display on the basket is still confusingly wrong?
10:34 cait ah, i am working on the gst bug
10:33 Joubu cait: more or less :)
10:33 khan why you are asking that question.
10:32 khan why is that a crime?
10:30 cait Joubu: around?
10:28 cait what do you want to access the database for?
10:28 cait it's hard witout knowing waht you are tying to do
10:28 khan cait: i really need some help
10:20 khan i have it locally
10:20 cait phpmyadmin is justone option
10:20 cait well also if you have installed it somewhere else
10:20 cait you can also do it from command line or use a graphical tool like mysql workbench
10:20 cait if you have koha locally instaleld
10:18 khan i just want to access the mysql database
10:16 cait what are you trying to do?
10:16 cait it's a separate program some people use to access the mysql db Koha uses
10:16 khan cait: you there?
10:15 cait phpmyadmin is not part of Koha
10:15 cait hm
10:13 khan Can you please let me know the URL of phpmyadmin in KOHA 3.12
10:12 khan It's my first time here
10:12 cait it's ok
10:11 khan Sorry
10:11 cait khan: please don't slap people
10:08 * khan slaps BobB around a bit with a large fishbot
09:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Needs Signoff , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
09:55 wahanui bug 8375 is surposed to fix something, and it's on the right track, but not sufficiant to make utf-8 work.
09:55 cait bug 8375
09:55 cait like 8375
09:55 cait i wonder if I could persuade someone to sign off on a few patches...
09:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on April 09, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
09:38 magnuse @wunder boo
09:36 cait hm
09:36 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
09:36 cait @wunder Munich
09:36 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
09:36 cait @wunder München
09:35 huginn cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 12.9°C (11:35 AM CEST on April 09, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
09:35 cait @wunder reutlingen
09:35 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
09:35 cait @wunder Upfingen
09:31 kivilahtio_ ok. Ill figure it out now that I know the role of expireddate
09:30 kivilahtio_ yeah holdsexpired...
09:30 kivilahtio_ yeah holdsexpired
09:30 cait waiting to be picked up, so should not be so many - maybe just set it to a hardcoded date? giving the patrons a few days to pickup?
09:30 sophie_m there is also a syspref i think
09:30 cait waitingdate is only for those on the holds shelf
09:30 kivilahtio_ cait: ah yeah, I need to set the waiting date, but I fear our legacy system doesnt have a matching column :)
09:29 * cait agrees with sophie_m
09:29 kivilahtio_ sophie_m: thanks yous!
09:29 sophie_m kivilahtio_: most of the time it is calculated by koha. Column is only populated when you explicitly ask for expiration date on hold
09:29 cait kivilahtio_: and for waiting holds it calculates from the waitingdate i think
09:29 kivilahtio_ cait: yeah it looks like that
09:28 cait kivilahtio_: i think you have to set it in hte interface
09:28 kivilahtio_ thanks for the help !
09:28 kivilahtio_ but that has nothing to do with expirydate i think
09:27 kivilahtio_ so i need to figure out how koha knows what reservations are expired
09:27 kivilahtio_ I am migrating our holds, and some holds are already expired, but I would like to have koha print the report
09:26 kivilahtio_ sophie_m: but I cannot get the expireddate column to tpopulate?
09:25 cait :)
09:23 sophie_m kivilahtio_: misc/cronjobs/holds/cancel_expired_holds.pl
09:20 cait kivilahtio_: looks like quite old code, probably worth testing if it works like it should
09:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1532 blocker, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, Port dev_week holds enhancements to 3.0
09:20 cait kivilahtio_: bug 1532
09:15 cait kivilahtio_: i found this in kohastructure: `expirationdate` DATE DEFAULT NULL, -- the date the hold expires (usually the date entered by the patron to say they don't need the hold after a certain date)
09:13 cait maybe i am just confused
09:12 cait i mean so far we don't use dbix much (sadly)
09:12 cait what is the difference no in searching?
09:12 cait kivilahtio_: hm not sure there is dbic for htat yet
09:04 kivilahtio_ it was so easy to just search for database column in Koha :(
09:03 magnuse dbix::class aka dbic, probably? :-)
09:02 kivilahtio_ or whatever that monster was :)
09:02 kivilahtio_ It is just hard to find the expiredate use cases, since it looks like some of that might be hidden under dbi::x
09:02 kivilahtio_ ok
09:00 cait kivilahtio_: but you might want to check what I said :)
09:00 cait i am not sure if there is a cronjob to clean out those, might be, i Haven't looked into it yet
08:59 cait something like: I won't need this after...
08:59 cait kivilahtio_: i think it's an optional field you can set when placing a hold
08:47 kivilahtio_ sure
08:47 kivilahtio_ no wonder
08:47 fridolin do you have a moment to explain it to me ?
08:47 kivilahtio_ no ownder
08:47 kivilahtio_ haha
08:47 fridolin I've seen your mail, but i do not get the all point
08:46 kivilahtio_ happy to hear you were busy!
08:46 kivilahtio_ :)
08:46 fridolin one day we add lunch at 4pm and the other we add diner at 6pm
08:46 kivilahtio_ with family?
08:45 kivilahtio_ wow
08:45 fridolin went to spain and belgium
08:45 kivilahtio_ good to hear :)
08:45 fridolin super cool
08:45 kivilahtio_ how was your holiday?
08:45 fridolin hi kivilahtio_
08:45 kivilahtio_ hi there fridolin!
08:44 kivilahtio_ what does it expire?
08:44 kivilahtio_ when is it populated?
08:44 kivilahtio_ Does anyone know what does reservations.expirationdate do?
08:38 fridolin sorry, my fault : i removed the translated templates
08:38 fridolin Ooo
08:37 fridolin I get : Template process failed: file error - cssinclude: not found at /home/koha/src/C4/Templates.pm line 132.
08:36 fridolin I've updated my test to master (3.15.00.027) and my OPAC is broken. Do you have it also ?
08:36 fridolin hie all
08:30 kivilahtio_ hiya magnuse
07:42 sophie_m hello magnuse
07:42 * magnuse waves to cait and sophie_m
07:36 wahanui hey, sophie_m
07:36 sophie_m hello
07:35 * cait waves
07:19 magnuse ...and kivilahtio_
07:19 magnuse hiya kivilahtio
07:10 magnuse i heard there is a toy in the movie called "buggy", but the debian folks have no plans to use that name... :-)
07:10 magnuse yeah, but i havn't even seen the movie...
07:09 dcook I think..
07:08 dcook Toy Story!
07:05 * magnuse is terrible at names and perpetually confused by the debian version names
06:58 magnuse bonjour france
06:57 alex_a bonjour
06:45 reiveune hello
06:31 wizzyrea yeah that was my impression
06:28 * magnuse reckons the long term goal is to move everything from C4:: to Koha::, with the stricter rules that apply to Koha::
06:25 * magnuse waves
05:53 wizzyrea maybe someone else knows differently
05:53 paxed ok.
05:53 wizzyrea pretty sure that everything is eventually going to be moved to Koha
05:52 paxed so, having the calendar module twice is just due to hysterical raisins?
05:52 wizzyrea well everything in C4 and Koha now, I guess
05:51 wizzyrea everything you add in Koha/ has to have unit tests, just so you know.
05:51 wizzyrea as far as I know yes
05:51 paxed so, C4/Calendar is being deprecated?
05:51 wizzyrea koha::calendar
05:51 paxed C4/Calendar or Koha/Calendar?
05:50 wizzyrea yep
05:50 wizzyrea and the problem there is that he hasn't provided unit tests, afaict.
05:50 paxed which is the one i _should_ use preferably, assuming i were to write my own stuff?
05:49 wizzyrea because of the 2nd attachment "switch from c4::calendar to koha::calendar"
05:49 wizzyrea koha::calendar I'd reckon
05:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8735 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Expire holds waiting only on days the library is open
05:48 paxed looking at bug 8735
05:48 wizzyrea what are you working on?
05:45 paxed ... i was kinda hoping to get an answer ...
05:44 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha wizzyrea dcook paxed
05:44 mtompset I have no problem with that. If the community wins, I win. :)
05:43 wizzyrea haha well you should go to bed. that's alright I'll take credit for your idea
05:43 mtompset I have a bad cold and it is 1:43AM here. :)
05:43 mtompset That would require me doing something instead of going to bed. :P
05:41 wizzyrea it's github, you can just fork it, make a patch, and issue a pull request :)
05:41 wizzyrea see above
05:41 mtompset wizzyrea: One comment. There's a handy dandy box missing on the "echo deb..."
05:40 wizzyrea ezpz
05:40 wizzyrea ;)
05:40 wizzyrea )
05:40 wizzyrea it's github, you can just fork it, make a patch, and issue a pull request
05:37 wizzyrea is the whole path
05:37 wizzyrea https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify
05:36 dcook mtompset: Perhaps something like "Alternatively, you can use koha-gitify (github.comm/mkfifo) with a package install instance."
05:36 mtompset They look pretty good. I haven't had a chance to try them to suggest improvements.
05:35 wizzyrea the docs that come with gitify should be decent
05:35 paxed which is the one i should edit, C4/Calendar.pm or Koha/Calendar.pm?
05:34 mtompset I would think there should be, and the git page could put a reference to it.
05:34 wizzyrea github.com/mkfifo
05:34 mtompset There is no gitify wiki page.
05:24 dcook As an alternative that is
05:23 dcook That's even easier
05:23 dcook Actually, now that I think about it, it might be worth adding a link to the "gitify" repo as well.
05:21 dcook Cool :). I think that makes sense.
05:21 mtompset I tweaked it, as per your suggestion.
05:19 dcook True true
05:18 mtompset Well, non-dummies tend to get bored by such explicit instructions. "Of course I know that!"
05:17 mtompset No, I didn't take it as insulting. And I was being over the top in my blame as a type of humor. I'm glad you got it.
05:12 dcook To that effect, I hope I wasn't insulting with my comment about being peculiar earlier. I should re-phrase that. I find your humour just to be different than what I'm used to.
05:11 dcook Well, actually, not being insulting in general is usually pretty good
05:11 dcook As for the being totally insulting to non-dummies, that ones always a good one to keep in mind as well
05:10 mtompset I think it is a fair one.
05:10 dcook Anyway, it was just a suggestion
05:10 mtompset because less is more in a server context.
05:10 dcook Then maybe just tweak that line?
05:10 mtompset It's a comment to keep installation minimal.
05:10 mtompset But I can't write instructions for dummies that are totally insulting to non-dummies.
05:09 mtompset True.
05:09 dcook Not if you're a dummy though, right? :p
05:09 mtompset Well, remember, if you are a developer, you might do strange things like not use a local MySQL.
05:08 dcook You might want to mention explicitly later in the instructions when they're added
05:08 dcook "Do not install extra packages during Ubuntu installation. Apache2 and MySQL will be installed in the instructions later."
05:07 mtompset Remember, I am trying to keep it at a git for dummies type level.
05:07 mtompset which parts? I'm open to revising accordingly.
05:06 dcook They certainly seem comprehensive :). I think a few parts might be questionable, but it's nice having everything laid out.
05:06 mtompset Glad they were helpful in getting a non-debian-based system functional.
05:05 mtompset sometimes the instructions on the wiki are written by programmers who forget to be explicit about intermediate steps.
05:04 dcook Excuse me?
05:04 dcook Well, I mostly followed them...for a non-Debian/Ubuntu system
05:04 mtompset I try to keep the bar low for new developers.
05:04 dcook Good one on these instructions though: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git
05:03 dcook You're a peculiar one, mtompset.
05:03 dcook ...
05:03 mtompset Yes, but by moving the code, you triggered the patch failure. :P
05:03 dcook mtompset: I just copied what was already there
05:02 dcook I was thinking of something locally :p
05:02 dcook Actually, I might be thinking of something else..
05:01 mtompset which is correct, as far as I can tell, for Locations.
05:01 mtompset Actually... the patch just changes 995$c to 995$e.
05:01 dcook I think there are probably some issues with that patch though yeah
05:01 dcook You're a peculiar one, mtompset.
05:01 mtompset I'm rebasing it accordingly.
05:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , show location facet for all
05:00 mtompset It's all your fault. Bug 10078
05:00 dcook Oh, very possibly.
05:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10893 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Patch doesn't apply , Location facet not working in UNIMARC
05:00 mtompset bug 10893
05:00 dcook Hmm?
05:00 mtompset dcook: It's all your fault. :P
04:59 wizzyrea there you go
04:59 wizzyrea oh yea probably
04:59 mtompset Let's say I'm on 3.14.x ... git diff origin/3.12.x -- filename
04:59 eythian Well, I think it's commitid:path/to/file or something
04:58 wizzyrea isnt it like git diff commitid commitid or something
04:57 eythian (it's something I do so rarely that I have to look it up each time.)
04:57 eythian now share for the channel
04:49 mtompset got it. :)
04:47 mtompset how do I compare a 3.12.x version of a file against a 3.14.x version of a file? Is there a nice git command for that?
04:17 mtompset boot up the unimarc VM, get it up to date. :)
04:11 wajasu i changed it to assigned, maybe it should be needs signoff, but it will need followups.
04:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Retrieve facets from Zebra
04:10 wajasu so there. i did something. bug 11232. maybe folks can see if thats a doable stratgey that be rolled out.
03:16 * dcook says very sophisticatedly
03:15 dcook No idea :/. But yay for working!
03:14 eythian They should be binary compatible, but maybe aren't always.
03:14 eythian could be, yeah. If it's a compiled from cpan thing, then it's possible a library had changed somewhere.
03:13 dcook It's the same module, but maybe the build went wrong the first time..
03:13 dcook eythian: Good call on reinstalling
03:10 dcook Reinstall and check out the source coming in..
03:09 dcook Thanks
03:09 dcook I'll try those ideas in an y case, eythian :)
03:08 eythian then I know not much about it.
03:08 * dcook reaches out longingly for his Debian system at home
03:08 eythian ah
03:08 eythian also try reinstalling it.
03:08 dcook Non-Debian system :(
03:08 eythian dpkg -S?
03:07 dcook Agreed, although I'm not entirely sure how to test that assumption
03:07 eythian you're making assumptions, it's best not to do that.
03:07 dcook wajasu: The Marc::Record thing was for the "big records"
03:07 dcook I figure there must be a mismatch somewhere but darned if I know where..
03:06 dcook The .so looks like it comes with Net::Z3950::ZOOM as well. At least it's nestled under it in the dir structure
03:05 dcook I can see ZOOM_query_sortby2 poking out in the .so
03:05 dcook Net::Z3950::ZOOM looks up to date :/
03:05 wajasu or was it Marc::Record or such
03:05 eythian yeah, I'd make sure that library version numbers match, and that the package providing the .so is up to date, and so on.
03:04 wajasu i think i recall someone talking about a version upgrade
03:03 dcook Any ideas on what my Net::Z3950::ZOOM doesn't seem too happy?
03:02 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Make test failing :(" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/209
02:57 * dcook is trying a "make test" at the moment and failing miserably
02:57 wajasu then make, make install
02:57 wajasu i do git clone, with perl MakePerl.pl with dev, dom, icu
02:56 mtompset or a git install?
02:56 mtompset dev install from a tarball?
02:56 mtompset No promises on testing... I'm rather exhausted.
02:55 wajasu you'll want to use a dev install
02:55 mtompset okay, wajasu.
02:55 wajasu it'll take me few minutes to type some test instructions
02:55 mtompset Thank you, kathryn dcook
02:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
02:54 wajasu mtompset: i'm going to put the preliminary patch for zebra facets query on bug 11232 for whoever to play with and comment on. its got commenting warns and lacks some detection. i only tested against marc21 dom icu environment.
01:38 dcook heya kathryn :)
01:38 kathryn hi dcook :)
01:20 dcook ^
01:18 kathryn hi mtompsett , I liked your email :)
00:03 dcook This 20-something metabolism is rad.
00:03 * dcook is rather full from breakfast, so naturally...pastry time!